Deebo & Joe - Steelers-Ravens AFC Title Match Preview, Aaron Rodgers future, Trevon Diggs to Packers

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Deebo & Joe – Steelers-Ravens AFC Title Match Preview, Aaron Rodgers’ Future, Trevon Diggs to Packers

Date: January 2, 2026
Host: James "Deebo" Harrison
Co-Host: Joe Harrison Hayden

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Episode Overview

This episode of Club Shay Shay with Deebo (James Harrison) and Joe takes a deep dive into the pivotal AFC North Title matchup between the Pittsburgh Steelers and Baltimore Ravens. The hosts break down strategies, playoff implications, and team health ahead of the game, before shifting to larger conversations about coaching, player development, quarterback futures—especially Aaron Rodgers—and the saga of Trevon Diggs being released by the Cowboys and picked up by the Packers. The discussion is full of insider anecdotes, locker room perspectives, and their signature banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening and New Year’s Vibes

• The hosts reflect on bringing in the new year with family and gratitude.
  • Memorable Quote:
    • Joe: “Bro, I brought that thing in right. Right on the bed, right on the couch. Just looked at it. Me and my baby.” (02:19)
  • Deebo jokes about the sequence, setting the episode’s lively tone.

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2. Steelers vs. Ravens AFC North Title Game Breakdown

Lamar Jackson’s Status and Impact

• Lamar is confirmed to play, but Deebo questions his health:
  • Deebo: “Lamar says with his words, he's 100%, but with my eyes, I don't see it. Now, you add that to the back issue...” (02:55)

Game Plan and Defensive Strategy (03:10 – 12:15)

• The Ravens’ offense lives off their run game.
• Key: Stop the run at all costs—Deebo jokes about putting “12 men in the box.”
  • “If we don't stop the Ravens from rushing, we will not win this game. They are predicated on an 85 to 90% base of running the ball successfully.” (04:24)
• Citing stats showing the Ravens’ lower rushing totals in losses, both against Browns and Bengals.
• Forcing Lamar to pass gives the Steelers their best chance.
  • “The more time Lamar throws, the more opportunities we get to sack him … for sack, fumbles, turnovers, interceptions, maybe a interception return for a touchdown...” (08:39)

The Importance of Defensive Coaching and Identity

• Referencing the Dick LeBeau era, Deebo discusses how critical coaching staff continuity and scheme are for defensive success. (10:39)
  • “From 04 to 12, we were a dominant...”
• Steelers’ historic defensive rankings run from 2004–2012 reinforce why coaching trust is key.

Offensive Limitations and Adjustments

• Steelers are missing key receivers, must run to chew clock and rest defense.
  • “We won't have DK... Washington and possibly Austin. That was almost 200 yards of a 284 yard total last time.” (09:59)
• Joe’s emphasis: Stay ahead of the chains, use Adam Thielen in clutch downs, avoid risky throws.

Urgency & Stakes

• Steelers were a long shot after a 1–5 start; now it’s do or die. Health is a concern, particularly for T.J. Watt returning post-surgery. (13:11)

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3. Coaching Futures: Mike Tomlin and Development Critique

Mike Tomlin’s Job Security

• Deebo: “He is not going nowhere. It don't matter if Coach T wins or loses this game. The decision... will be his decision to be there next year...” (22:07)

Staff and Player Development

• The pair lament the team’s drafting and development since 2016, especially with early-round picks.
• Deebo: “Only two players drafted in the first two rounds since 2016 have gotten long-term deals. That is a horrible rate.” (29:52)
• Lack of a coaching “tree” and internal promotions is criticized; contrast made with successful franchises like the Patriots and Lions.
  • “Mike’s been there almost 20 years. Ain’t got one tree in his coaching tree.” (33:07)

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4. Quarterback Talk: Aaron Rodgers’ Steelers Future

Rodgers’ Uncertain Decision

• Rodgers hasn’t committed to playing in 2026.
  • Deebo: “He left it open.” (26:38)
• Joe: “If A-Rod wants to come back, I’m not mad at it … But long term, we need a young guy.” (25:16)
• Discussing the tension between short-term competitiveness and need for a franchise QB in a loaded AFC.
• Steelers fans should “be ready to be down for a couple years” if they want elite QB talent in the draft. (29:12)

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5. Trevon Diggs Released/Signs with Packers

Background and Contract Dynamics

• Diggs was released after injury issues and contract disputes in Dallas; immediately picked up by the Packers for a “prove-it” situation. (48:05 – 50:50)
• Joe’s insight: "Diggs is walking into a brand new contract … He can reinvent himself now."
• The business side: Packers only on the hook for a small portion, and can re-negotiate or cut after the current year.
  • “It might be 1 for 15 [million]. Just here prove a year, you know what I'm saying?” (49:17)

Locker Room Respect for ‘Player’s Coaches’

• Joe describes how some coaches are more accommodating of veterans’ personal needs (like letting them stay in their hometown an extra night post-game), while others prioritize strict adherence to policy. (45:41)

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6. Rapid Fire: Playoff Picks, Game Predictions, and Listeners’ Q&A

Game Predictions:

• Joe: Steelers 20, Ravens 10 (60:54)
• Deebo: Steelers 12, Ravens 6 (No TDs, all field goals) (61:02)

Listener Engagement Highlights:

• Several shoutouts for donations and support. Warm, humorous responses to “super chat” messages, including a plea to involve the tight ends and keep the faith:
  • “If they don’t get our tight end involved, we are done.” (58:21, Covenant Money)
  • “I would say have a drink on me, but no, no, it might put you out … slow down on the drinking so you can watch the game clear.” (60:09, Deebo)

Player Prop Bets and Fan Strategies:

• Debo and Joe analyze likely over/under stats for Lamar Jackson’s passing, Derrick Henry’s rushing, and Aaron Rodgers’ passing, always sneaking in some competitive banter and betting advice. (53:39 – 57:13)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the Key to Beating Baltimore:
  • Deebo: “Make him [Lamar] pass. Stop the run. We are doomed if we don’t.” (07:47)
• On Steelers Defensive Identity:
  • “We playing. They playing checkers. We playing chess. Right?” (07:56)
• On Steelers Draft & Development Woes:
  • “Only two players that have been with the Steelers since we won our last playoff game in 2016 have gone on to receive long-term extended deals...” (29:52)
• On Rodgers’ Future:
  • Joe: “If A-Rod wants to come back, I’m not mad at it … But long term, we need a young guy.” (25:16)
• On Trevon Diggs’ Release:
  • Joe: “Now Diggs can reinvent himself … It’s a prove-it year.” (49:15)
• On Steelers’ Coaching Tree:
  • Deebo: “Mike’s been there almost 20 years. Ain’t got one tree in his coaching tree.” (33:07)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Steelers-Ravens Run Game Analysis: 02:45–12:15
• Defense & Coaching Legacy: 10:39–12:27
• Mike Tomlin & Steelers Future: 22:07–23:16
• Aaron Rodgers’ Uncertainty: 25:16–29:12
• Steelers Draft Development Critique: 29:52–33:07
• Trevon Diggs Discussion: 42:11–51:31
• Game Score Predictions: 60:54–61:42

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Tone and Style

Deebo and Joe keep the conversation lively, candid, and football-nerdy with plenty of locker room humor and personal anecdotes. While deeply analytical about Xs and Os and football business, they never let a listener forget their personalities and loyalties.

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For Listeners

Whether you’re a playoff-hopeful Steelers fan, a devoted AFC North follower, or just love football banter with real NFL insights, this episode breaks down what's at stake, what might swing the game, and what's coming up for Pittsburgh, Green Bay, and the league’s quarterback carousel. The hosts’ candor about coaching, team-building, and player transitions gives you the inside football talk you crave.

Don’t forget to check your IG for ticket giveaways and tune in Monday for the game recap!

Transcript

[James Debo Harrison]

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[James Debo Harrison]

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[Julian Edelman]

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[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Isn't that crazy?

[Julian Edelman]

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[James Debo Harrison]

You think a pizza party is worth a false start?

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[James Debo Harrison]

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[James Debo Harrison]

Welcome back to Deebo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co host, Joe Harrison Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today, Joe?

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Brother. Brother Debo. I'm doing great, my guy. Good Friday. Another day the Lord has made for me to be here.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Good man.

[James Debo Harrison]

Happy New Year.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Yes, yes, yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Blessed to see another year.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Come on. I. Bro, I brought that thing in right. Right on the bed, right on the couch. Just looked at it. Me and my baby. Hold on.

[James Debo Harrison]

I thought you said the bed first, then you said the cow. I thought you were trying to say something.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

No, no. On. No, no, no. Me and my baby girl was all.

[James Debo Harrison]

I thought she was trying to time it up.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Yeah, we was timing it up.

[James Debo Harrison]

Time it up. Happy New Year.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Yeah. Come on.

[James Debo Harrison]

Look here, baby, look. Hey, I. I got good news.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

What you got?

[James Debo Harrison]

Lamar says he is playing in the Stillers game. Hey, look here, let me. Let me cook, okay?

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

I'm gonna let you cook. I'm gonna let you cook.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen. Yes. I want Lamar to play. No, I am not crazy. We are three and six against Lamar Jackson in regular season, okay? And that's when he was more of 100% truly healthy. Okay? Lamar says with his words, He's 100%, but with my eyes, I don't see it. Now, you add that to the back issue that he's having right now.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay. And the reason we had success against him early in the run game last time we played against him is because he was not using his legs and keeping the ball when they did the RPO play. Yes, yes. Which allowed our outside linebackers to crash down.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

In the backside and helping the run game. They only had, like, 70 yards at halftime, okay. We didn't even have to start respecting it until the second half, where he started keeping it.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

When he started pulling it because he saw we was crashing down, we couldn't.

[James Debo Harrison]

Crash down no more. They ended the game with almost 220 yards rushing. Now, if we're going to win this game, the defense will have to win it, Period. Okay? Facts. We have to stop them from running the ball. I do not care if we have to put 8, 9, 10 men in the box. 11 men in the box have 12 men in the box. I don't care what we need to do. If we don't stop the Ravens from rushing, we will not win this game. They are predicated on a 85 to 90% base of running the ball successfully. We know that. The AFC north knows that, or at least they should. If you look at it, Lamar, is. What is it? 10 and 6? No, 10 and 5. The Browns. Okay? And guess what, Joe? And the five losses against the Browns, or should I say your Browns? Yeah.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

The Ravens only rushed for an average of 127 yards a game.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

On their losses, on their losses.

[James Debo Harrison]

Five losses, okay? Now, in the 10 wins, minus the. What was the September game where the special team sold. Yeah, yeah. And they basically scored, like 21 points almost without having to do anything. They rushed for an average of 191 yards a game. But Cleveland did Have the right idea that game. Okay. And they said, we're going to make Lamar beat us passing the ball. Okay. Ravens only had 45 yards rushing, and Lamar did just that and beat them passing the ball.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

But I'd rather take my chances on that.

[James Debo Harrison]

He did that with short fields. They only scored one touchdown where they had to drive the ball more than 37 yards, bro. Everything else, okay. Cleveland held them to a field goal, and even with that, lamar only had 225 yards passing, but it was four touchdowns. And again, that was made easy on.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Three of them, the short fields.

[James Debo Harrison]

Because you start at the opponent's 35, 5, 24, you're going to have great success. Now let's go on to the Bengals. He's 11 and three against the Bengals, and then the three losses. Joe, guess what the rush average is per game.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

125 yards.

[James Debo Harrison]

101 yards, Joe. Wow. And guess what it is in the 11 wins.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

190.

[James Debo Harrison]

Almost 200 yards, bro.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Yeah. You starting to get.

[James Debo Harrison]

You, you, you Ravens. You with grease, bro. The Ravens have to run the ball for show successfully, period. And Lamar only is averaging 190, 92 yards passing a game this year. And here's the crazy thing. Here's the crazy thing. On top of that, for his whole career, he's only like 195, 194 for his whole career average per game of passing. So if we don't go into this game and do everything we can.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Make him pass.

[James Debo Harrison]

Stop the run. Yes. And force Lamar to pass. We are doomed. And, And, and, and what? Do what. What do Coach T. Say? He say. He say we. We. We playing. They. They playing checkers. We playing chess. Right, Right. Okay. So let's go out here and play chess. Okay. Because that's the chess move. And sometimes, like the playoff game that we had last year, it didn't look like chess. It looked like we was playing tic tac toe out there. You understand what I'm saying? Yes, because we had, like, no way of stopping the run. And we changed what we were doing as far as how we went against the run. And the more time Lamar throws, the more opportunities we get to sack him.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

And along with that, I'm not saying to do this, but you could maybe push yourself up off of him by maybe placing your hand on that little tender spot on his back as you.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Can, a little lean on, you know.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know, along with the more he pass, we got possibilities for sack, fumbles, turnovers, interceptions, maybe a interception return for a touchdown, a fumble Sack fumble something.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

No, no. You know we good for that. You know, it's.

[James Debo Harrison]

We need turnovers. Okay? Now the offense, I need them to run the ball enough to use up.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

The clock and effect the first down.

[James Debo Harrison]

Runs, give our defense enough time to rest as much as possible and hopefully get in field goal range a times and give Boswell a chance to put points on the board like, because we have to do far better than we did against them rushing the ball last time at, what was it, two yards of tote?

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

That do it. They ain't gonna cut it.

[James Debo Harrison]

That ain't gonna get it done. Because we are not going to have a passing game, bro. We won't have DK. He was almost 150 yards of the passing game.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Along with Washington and possibly Austin, I hear now that was almost 200 yards of a 284 yard total last time.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Yep.

[James Debo Harrison]

We cannot allow the Ravens to beat us at what it is they are good at. Period. And you know what Coach LeBeau. Coach LeBeau would always say, listen, we are going to stop what they do well and we are going to sell out and stop that. And he would say if it beat us, if we get beat, he said, that's on me.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

And you know what? It worked. For the most part, from the time 2004 to, I would say 2012, he was allowed to run his defense as he wanted to run it. It was 100% Dick LeBeau. Fire zone ran the way he wanted to run it with the players in the positions that he wanted to have in that. Positions that knew what they were doing. From that 04 to 12, we were a dominant. Give me the things. Oh. From 04, 2004 to 2012, 2004, we were a number one defense. 2005, we were number four, won the Super Bowl. Now we had a slack in 2006, okay. Dropped to nine. Okay. That happens when you win the super bowl because you lose some players that you don't realize were key role players in your defense, they get to go get some money. 2007, we went to one. 2008, we were one. Won another Super Bowl. Again, you lose some of those key players that next year. 2009, we went to five. 2010, and we thought we were trash, bro. In 2009, 2010, we were two. Okay? We lost the super bowl and we came back and was number one and 11 and number one in 12. Okay? And like I say this because you need to be able to have people, coaches in position that know exactly what it is, need to Be done and do it and be ready to deal with whatever the outcome. And the crazy thing is, like, we're in a do or die game with the Ravens, bro.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

For sure.

[James Debo Harrison]

After they started 1 in 5 and they said that gave them a, what, 1% chance of making the playoffs at the same time during, what was it, week six? Because we had a buy. We were four and one and to be here where we at right now and last week against Cleveland, the worst team in our division, we had an opportunity to be able to rest our guys and have an extra week to get healthy and, dude, it's crazy to me. What's crazy is TJ ain't even four weeks out from surgery and we're talking about. He's playing, bro.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

So, look, let me. Let me. Go ahead, hop in this thing. You write everything you said, Debo, you're exactly correct. And I'll just go from when we're talking about what the Steelers needed to do. We didn't have to be in this position. We let the Browns, my Browns, you know what I'm saying, Go out there and beat us. So.

[James Debo Harrison]

Not at the time for that.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

No, no, no. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. You said it, so I'm just. I'm just saying what you said.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

There's just some things that we. We're in this position, we're fighting for our life. But with all that being said, we are playing the Ravens on this good night game for all the marbles. And the good thing is, like you said, Debo, I want us to, like, stop the run. We have to stop the run. Derek Henry, when we beat him the first time, he ran the ball 25 times for 95 yards. Make Lamar have to pass it against us. We have to have eight in the box. We. We've done it before. Everybody has to be in their gaps, in their spots. And when we do pass the ball, we in those cover three. We could be in some zones. We don't have to play man to man every time. These single highs can be cover threes. They could be man to mans. But we need to have eight people in the box, everybody playing their gap, not peeking, not jumping, not getting pushed back. You know what I'm saying? So just consistency.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, no question, bro.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

We've seen them do it in games where they made plays where they stopped to run. And then I need them to do this for four quarters. If we get up. If we get up in the game, don't start acting cool. Don't start acting like it's sweet. And start letting plays happen. No, we got to put our foot on their throats, for one thing, on defense, because on the offensive side, we're missing 140, 148 yards and seven catches that we had when we played. We're missing our dk, we're missing Calvin, we're missing Mount Washington. So offense, we just need to make sure on first down when we get it to Gainwell, when we get it to Warren. These aren't just meaningless handoffs. We need to get 3, 4 yards.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

You know what I'm saying? So just don't give him the ball and he gets a loss of one. Now we're sitting at second 11. No, no, no. That makes us look crazy. Stay ahead of the sticks, you know what I'm saying? John Smith, get him in fire. Move. He's there. Get him involved. Mvs, you know what I'm saying? And feeling Adam Thielen, let him be your friend. He's a bet. He knows when it's third and threes. He knows how to find the holdings and zones. So go to your guys. Pitch and dump like a rod. It's four from two. Don't throw the fade to Scottie Walker down the sideline. Throw the little man to man beater to Thielen for two. So keep the drive alive, you know what I'm saying? Like, yes, things like that be simple, don't try to.

[James Debo Harrison]

But again, at the same point in time, if he make that connection, we happy. So, you know, good with the bad. Scotty.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

But what I'm saying is, though, for us to keep our defense off of the feet and I should just keep drives along, that's going to be good. But just, you know what I'm saying, that completion to extend the drive, get us another four downs, make the clock go away, you know what I'm saying? So when the Ravens do get out there and we get these three and outs, they trying to run it. We stop them on first, second and 10. They trying to do some incomplete pass, third pin back. Stay in our rush lanes, too. When we do get Lamar, don't just get to going crazy running up and he's able to skate out of there. No, we're pushing evenly that front line. You going straight at him outside, y' all are containing. Don't go past the quarterback. You know what I'm saying? Stop. You know what I'm saying? You. You know those rushing lanes. So just the simple things when we're watching the defense, be on point, know what you Got to do. And it's going to be simple. We're playing single high. Everybody in the gap. Man, man or zone he's got. He going to have to throw the ball. Make him beat us with his arm.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes. And, and, and like I said, I do not believe he can do that. I see. He can't. 195 yards. The average, the average quarterback. What is it? 245 almost.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

You gotta get it.

[James Debo Harrison]

When you look at guys like Josh Allen and all those boys, they're more around 260, 270. You know, golf and, and, and, and all that. Yeah, that's. That, you know, that's what you, what you're looking at there. And I just, I don't if I'm, I'm okay if they beat us. Lamar Jackson going out there and passing.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

With 300, 300 yards.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm okay with that because we didn't let them come out there and do what it is that we know they could do. They had to come out and show us and do something else that was not in their character. I could be okay with that. Okay.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Because if they come down there and run it down our throats, you're like this. We know that's their game. You know what I'm saying? We coming in to stop this. Don't make them just establish, don't let them establish dominance. Like if, like you said, I'd rather somebody throw the ball on me. Then we gotta figure out what the DBs and if they just running, it's like we can't stop it, big man. We know they're running it. Why do they keep letting them move you out the way? You know what I'm saying? It's just a, a, a man on man thing with the run game.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. It's a five star matchup. Right. Ain't that what he say is it's a. No, he say it's a five star matchup because we in it. Right.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Cause we in it.

[James Debo Harrison]

Right. Okay.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

That's for sure.

[James Debo Harrison]

Well, let's go ahead and make sure this is a five star matchup because we in it. And we're not the, the footnote to an historic comeback by what would be only the fifth team, one in five and make it into the postseason. Let us not be the five star, historic footnote of the air comeback.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Oh, Lord.

[James Debo Harrison]

We don't need that.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

We don't.

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[James Debo Harrison]

So Pizza Hut just put out one of the coolest, like funniest challenges maybe ever.

[Julian Edelman]

Pizza Hut. What is it?

[James Debo Harrison]

Basically, if a quarterback says pizza before they say hut, Pizza Hut will give that quarterback city a pizza party.

[Julian Edelman]

Is this real?

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, Isn't that crazy?

[Julian Edelman]

You think coaches are bringing this up in team meetings?

[James Debo Harrison]

You think a pizza party is worth a false start?

[Julian Edelman]

Or what if they got the other team to jump off sides with a Pizza Hut?

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, whatever it takes this time of year.

[Julian Edelman]

100% this weekend. Let us know if you hear Pizza Hut. I know. I'll be listening.

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[Joe Harrison Hayden]

We don't. And I mean, it's the Ravens. And I think, and I know and I believe we can go in that joint and win. We should win. We can beat them, obviously. So I'm, I'm. I'm geek. I'm going to be watching the game. I'm going to be Locked in and be hyped. And I'm going to be watching to make sure we don't get blown off the ball. I know that's what you're going to be watching on our O line and our D line got to come to play. Like those are the same. Those are. They're, they're not, they're not injured?

[James Debo Harrison]

No, they're not injured like the D. The D line has to be stout. If we are not stout in the interior, it's going to be hard for us to hold anything. If you're, you know, if half of your D line is sitting back there getting pushed three, four yards deep, your linebackers can't get to where they need to go.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

They can't feel Queen can't run free.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, not at all. Not at all. And that's in that defense as it was originally made is meant for your linebackers to run and make the plays and be there.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

What do you think about so if, if, if, if it would win? What happens with Coach T, you think with this game after.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, Coach T, he ain't going nowhere. I'm sorry.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm sorry to have to tell you people, but listen, he is not going no more. It, it's not. It don't matter if Coach T wins or loses this game. The decision of him to be there or not be there is going to be his decision be there next year. You are counting on the Steelers to fire him. That is not going to happen. I'm gonna be 100% honest with you, bro. If I'm him, if I'm him, I'm not walking away from that money. I'm a head coach. My money is guaranteed. You are going to have to fire me because that means it's still guaranteed. Now if I decide to walk away, then that's no longer guaranteed. I'm not leaving no money on the table.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

I think with Coach T, he got. It's like, it's only like I'm not only, but it's. It's probably 10 mil that he probably making around a year. Yeah, he's gonna be able to. If he leaves, he can go sign. He's gonna sign a 90 million dollar joint somewhere. 80 million dollars.

[James Debo Harrison]

Now again, like I said, that would be his option. Now I go, you know, I'm not go going ahead and you know, like they say, you know, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Now he got to get the opportunity. If, if it's me, yo, I got the opportunity to look out there and See what I can get now. If I see I can go out there and get it now. Yeah. All right. I go ahead and, and walk away. I know I could come back, you know, and get something bigger. But at the end of the day, the Steelers will not fire Mike Thomas. What the outcome of this game is like, that is 100 given. All right, Patrick McQueen, he said, he said what's on stake against the Ravens, his former team. He said when you look at the whole building, when you look at the people who work here, them getting the extra check, I think a lot of people don't notice a lot of teams, if not all of them, their staff and all that stuff, their bonuses and stuff is based on how well your team does leading and going into the playoffs. I know we are one of them. And that's where he's saying teammates who aren't working a whole bunch or making a ton of money, you know, getting another check is big for them. And it's the same thing with, you know, with the staff just trying to win, trying to, trying to be legendary, trying to build your legacy up and do whatever it takes to get out there. It's everything. I don't. I mean, it is what it is. I mean, I understand that, you know, I ain't got no. I mean, that's what you say. I mean, the Steelers, that's what it is, bro. Aaron, but Aaron, they asked Aaron about, you know, next year. Like, you know what they said? They asked him, you know, about if this was his last game of his career, you know, and he basically left it open, you know, how do you feel, you know, about Aaron Rodgers possibly coming back next year?

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

I mean, after I seen Philip Rivers now go out there and play at 44, I wouldn't, I think we need, I wouldn't be mad at having Aaron Rodgers there. He showed that he's a. He can still do it. He can still make the throws when he's protected, when he has dk, when he has competent receivers out there. He still looks like Aaron Rodgers to me. I know for the Steelers, long term, if they want to do it, he's not going to be there for their long term future. So we're going year by year and I think next year would definitely be a Ross probably last year of being a legitimate solid quarterback. But if it's, if it's up to a Rod, if he wants to come back, and I'm not mad at what he's looked like, he can play starting quarterback for sure for the Steelers. It's not A Rod's fault. I feel like that we're losing, you know what I'm saying? Or that hasn't been that, that good. So if it was for him to come back and a friendly deal, you know what I'm saying, you got a solid veteran quarterback. That's, you know I'm saying, getting it to the players, getting people in positions, I'm not mad at it. But in the long term, you know, we need a young, a young guy that's ready to, you know what I'm saying, be a franchise quarterback for the next 10 years, 15 years, like a C.J. stroud, you know what I'm saying? The Bengals down there, Joe Burrow, Browns, we still looking to see what we could do. But just a quarterback that, you know, you can put a name on that dude Justin Herbert, you know what I'm saying? You just got a guy that even if you haven't been winning all the games, you know, you got your quarterback. So with a Rod saying he will come back for one more year, I wouldn't.

[James Debo Harrison]

He's not saying he would. He said he left it open.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

He left it. He left it open. I'm not mad at him leaving open. Leave it open.

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A Rod.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

I'll leave it open too. I'm, I'm, I'm ready to dance with you if you're ready to dance with the Steelers. But at the same time, he had.

[James Debo Harrison]

To talk to, you know, wife, make a decision, all that.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Oh, for sure, for sure. And he just did that this, this offseason. He took his time, you know what I'm saying? And I think that's one thing that the Steelers know too. He's going to do his own thing. So at the same time, you still got to be doing all of your work. Like, don't put all your eggs in that basket, you know what I'm saying? You're still doing all your due diligence trying to get a franchise quarterback to the team because you know it. Aaron Rodgers is not going to be the guy for long term, but he could hold down the fort, you know what I'm saying, this year and then maybe next year.

[James Debo Harrison]

I understand, I understand. So for me, personally, I like the idea because like you said, we do not have a quarterback.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Okay?

[James Debo Harrison]

But I don't like the idea if we have an option to get a quarterback that is younger and in the NFL right now taking. And, and I believe that, you know, with the current defense we have, or should I say defensive ranking that we have without a veteran quarterback, we will Be in the bottom. And maybe that's what we need, bro, you know, because that's just going to.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Have us, you know, picking in the.

[James Debo Harrison]

Middle a chance of getting a quarterback, a franchise quarterback at least in the draft next year. But I also don't know if there's one available that would be worth getting or trying to get or move up to get, you know, in the upcoming, you know, draft of next year.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

I can't, I can't be on the losing to try to get the number one pick. So you could try.

[James Debo Harrison]

I understand what you're saying, bro, but.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

You know what I'm saying.

[James Debo Harrison]

I also don't want to do this though. I also don't want to be back where we are now, where we're 500 or hell, worse. Worse would be even better because that puts us even lower in the draft with no chance of drafting anyone that would be a franchise quarterback. And bruh. Yeah, I think.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Who you, who you, who?

[James Debo Harrison]

This is what it is, bro.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Go ahead.

[James Debo Harrison]

We need to get ready, okay, as Stiller fans to be down for a couple years to be able to come back up. And it's going to look hopefully something like what the Patriots did over the last few years. They're going to be down, they're going to get a new coach, they're going to come back up and they're going to be where they are now.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

What pick was Drake made?

[James Debo Harrison]

That is something that we could do.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Do you know what pick Drake may was?

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't know.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

I gotta think, I gotta find out what pick these. I know this chat, right?

[James Debo Harrison]

And again we have to be able to pick. I said it loud.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Got a draft right.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, you gotta be able to draft, right. And this we have a horrible time with what we have right now of drafting, right? Only two players that have been with the Steelers since we won our last playoff game in 2016 that were drafted in the first two rounds have gone on to receive long term extended deals when the time came up. That is a horrible rate.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

I mean we looking at the receivers and when I'm just knocking off the top of my head, when I was there, my good man Deontay Johnson was there hooping, didn't get another deal Juju. And then I mean Claypool, it just didn't, didn't, didn't pan out. But he went early too. So like those are just high draft picks.

[James Debo Harrison]

Claypool didn't pan out. How many receivers we done got, bruh, that just didn't pan out. Why is that, bro?

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

I don't know, brother.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like, we always get receivers that don't pan out. What's the common denominator with these receivers?

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

This the part though, Debo. When I came, when I was first got drafted and I started looking at the Steelers, though, it was always. That was when AB, Mike Wallace and Emanuel Sanders, them dudes was Hoopers. So that's why in 16 or 17 when I came over there and they had. Then they had Martavius Bryant. He ended up switching out so. To Martavius Bryant. AB and then. Damn. And Marvin man's another one. But then juju was there too, and they drafted juju. So I mean, it hasn't been. It's not until from 17, kind of on to where he's starting to kind of missing and getting rid of those receivers and not being able to keep them.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm talking about the first one and two and the receivers like you, you. This receiver has a problem. It. It's a. It's a. It's a.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

It's a.

[James Debo Harrison]

It's an attitude issue. It's. It's a behavioral issue. It's. This is that you're picking ballers. Why are we getting all these receivers that are having these issues and, and not being able to. To keep them for fear of that or just not being able to keep them because they didn't pan out the way we wanted to. What's the common denominator?

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Yeah, what do you think?

[James Debo Harrison]

You're a coaching staff. Like, come on, we keep. This. This receiver is bad. That receiver's bad. That receiver. What are we talking? What.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

They're not bad receivers?

[James Debo Harrison]

Like, come on. Like that don't. That, don't. That don't make no sense, bro. And like I said, Drake may. I think it was third or fourth pick 24.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Oh, man.

[James Debo Harrison]

Third pick 24, bro.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Okay. Got to be more careful. So they went. They had to be that trash, bruh.

[James Debo Harrison]

And, and what they do. They went and got somebody to do what they needed to do. And, and, and he got, he went out, he got coaches. He got coaches that he knew could do what they needed to do. He got coaches that, that had, had, had, had had knowledge under. Like that's the first thing he did. He went and started getting his staff. Dude, like, we, we. What. What do we have over there, bro? Like, honestly, what do we have over there? Like, like Mike been there almost 20 years.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Ain't got one tree in his coaching tree. Not one limb. Like, come on, look at, look at, look at, look at Detroit. Detroit already. He already got like two or three head coaches. He got like two head coaches. And hell, Randall, I think he the OC in Chicago with the other coach that left.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Now you making good points.

[James Debo Harrison]

You got to put coaches in position to be able to help you and not worry about credit or anything else being taken from you. That's your credit because you put him in that position. Like, Belichick Tree is out of control. Like, dude, that's the only common denominator that I'm looking at right now. Dude.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Nah, I feel you with the trees. Cause I remember we had Belichick Tree all over the place. I had everything, dude.

[James Debo Harrison]

And where Belichick come from? Parcells. Like, come on. Do you.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

But do you think a rod is going to return?

[James Debo Harrison]

Do I think he's going to return? Yes, I think that. Oh, man. Do I. I don't know, bro. Would you be.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Would you. Would you. Would you want him to return?

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Because if we don't, we ain't got nothing right now.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes, yes.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

We don't got nobody.

[James Debo Harrison]

But again, I'm six and one, half a dozen other. I feel like we're going to have to have that down year. That down, you know, that we go be in the basement for a year or two to where we can get that quarterback and have that coach and coaching staff that can develop, you know, those players into what it is that they can become, you know?

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

No, I feel you, Debo. I feel it. It's that you coaches go a long way and like, you could tell, like when Braybo comes in there and really just switches some stuff up over there in New England. You know what I'm saying? Like, it might. You might need that. These are great coaches, the leadership, you know, like, just.

[James Debo Harrison]

It's not. Might need. You do need.

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[James Debo Harrison]

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[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Because we've been.

[James Debo Harrison]

What's the first thing I need? Joe, who was your coach? Who was your coach? Your DB coach in Pittsburgh? Joe, did you go in there as soon as you saw and heard your DB coach and read his name and said, oh, I'm automatically bought in?

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

The first one, Cornell, Lake. Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

The first one I had was Lake. And Lake was so hard.

[James Debo Harrison]

And what happened after that?

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

He left and I had scrap and I didn't. I was not excited at all. I promise you. And this is no disrespect, one of the great person had a great time with him. Not a good defensive back coach. I did not learn anything. He kind of was Hermanning my learning of the game. He was only there for a year, you know what I'm saying? Then we switched. But, like, I was really coaching myself and really getting my DBs, right? Really had to tap in. So for sure, it was not. We were not on the same page. That was a tough, struggling year after Lake left and we got scrapped, for sure. Definitely difficult, you know what I'm saying? But I'm just keeping it by being with you.

[James Debo Harrison]

Right? And that's. And that's what I'm talking about, dude. Like, yeah, I understand bringing guys up, you know, letting guys get in there that wouldn't normally have the opportunity. But you've done that for so long and nothing's come from it. I know players I won't name, and they're like, yo, the coach that I have, he ain't did nothing to develop me. I do more in the off season to develop myself than they have did in the last, whatever, two, three years that, you know, they were there.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

No, for sure.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like, you have done nothing to advance and develop me as a player. So why are they in there?

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

I don't know. And I don't know. Some team, some. You can't. Have you had a bad coach before on teams and when you've been in Cincinnati ever, or have you ever had a bad coach?

[James Debo Harrison]

I had a bad coach when I. My first year in Pittsburgh. Didn't like him.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

Didn't like him at all. If he's being any kind of way.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

When I'm saying a bad coach, though, I'm talking about, did they know the game, though? Like, I'm talking bad coach. Like this. You like, man, this. Don't really know what he's talking about.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, I don't think he was a teacher like that. I'm gonna tell you right now, and I keep telling everybody this, Keith Butler is the coldest linebacker coach I ever had in my life. Okay? You understand that? Like, that is the coldest linebacker coach I had in my life. And everybody goes, well, he wasn't nothing as a D coordinator. I don't know what he was as a D coordinator. Again, he never got an opportunity to do it. He had it in name. He had it in name. He didn't get to operate in it as far as doing the job itself. And I think we have a lot of that going on over there in Pittsburgh still today.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

They don't have to figure it out.

[James Debo Harrison]

Joe Burrow, man, y'. All. You know, y' all Browns, y' all play Joe Burrow.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Yes, we do.

[James Debo Harrison]

Joe said, hey, man, I'm not going to go out of My way to not let him get the sack record. There's going to be situations where a sack is the best of the bad outcomes of that play.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Oh, yeah. He getting sacked.

[James Debo Harrison]

He getting. Oh, yeah.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

He gonna accept it. Oh, yeah. He gonna give us that breath. He gonna give us that breath off. He might slide into it.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, he gonna give you that breath far. He gonna slide into it.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

He said. He said he ain't gonna slide into it, but he said he ain't about to. Go ahead.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

I ain't going to avoid it. Too crazy. Yeah, go ahead.

[James Debo Harrison]

He said. He said I ain't gonna lose to. To get out the. To get totally out the way and make it look worse than what it is. I understand what he's saying.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Mm, me too.

[James Debo Harrison]

I understand what he's saying. Me too. I already know, man. Somebody go out there and slang that thing on y', all, y' all might not be able to even get to him because, you know, they gotta. They got. They got both their receivers back.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

So over there, I'm gonna check and see what they lying talking about, man. Make sure all they linemen intact, okay? Yeah, yeah, we gotta check and make sure Burrow's left tackle and right tackle are intact.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, man, he ain't even gotta hold it that long. He just gonna. He gonna get that thing out faster than Roger.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

But you know what time it is. We got. We got Denzel Ward. They got. We got Campbell. We got. We got my man Campbell out there.

[James Debo Harrison]

He can't cover, too. He can't cover two, man. Listen, man, you telling me. He go, he go, he go, he go. He go. Strap one. He gonna strap Chase and brother, brother, brother, brother, brother.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Gamble on Higgins. We got Ward over there on Chase. Not like it's gonna be like. He's not gonna. He's not gonna just lock him. That's what I'm talking about. That's good on good. He's gonna win his opps. You know, he got a. Don't even talk about Ward. Don't even look at Ward. Crazy. Ward took the pick. Six back, 100 yards on them. Chase tried to throw a. Your man Burrow tried to throw an out route. Boom. Let me get that. 101 yards. Don't play with that man, Ward. Don't play with that. Don't play with that man.

[James Debo Harrison]

Wolf. It was late. He ain't jumping. It was late.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

I'm trying to see. I'm trying to figure out why they keep throwing it at him. Don't throw it on that side.

[James Debo Harrison]

That man Was so lucky against us. It was unbelievable, bro.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

That was, you know. Look, look, look. This happened. The Steelers, bro. I'm not gonna lie. Like you said, Deebo, y', all, Herbic had to pick six. That's my good, man. I won. I was like, dang.

[James Debo Harrison]

You see how you just. Oh, man, that's crazy. Joe.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Deebo. I'm really being serious.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's. Wow.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Cause if they would've After. Cause if the Steelers would have won, I'd have came in the jones just like, okay, look, went out there and lost and the Steelers won. Let's go, Steelers. That's what I would have said. Genuinely, I don't know if you believe me.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, I know you would have said that. But you remember, you flipped the whole script because you know why, bro?

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Cause you were so. You're so disrespectful. Because you're so disrespectful.

[James Debo Harrison]

My hardy Cleveland. Yeah, man. Let's go over here to another db, man. Trayvon Diggs was released by the Cowboys, man. Oh. So I guess what's. How you say, a dude's namer. Yeah, this is the first time Trayvon Diggs approached him about, I guess, wanting to stay in Washington, D.C. after the. They won the game. I guess he ended up staying there, whatever that was. But what's your. How do I say, what's your. Your take on this? I mean, I already know dude was, what, injured in, like, 23. He ended up doing an ACL or something. He came back 24. I think he started on the PUP list, right?

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Yeah, yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

So obviously during that process, he probably thought he came back too soon. He wasn't 100%, wasn't able to get back to playing at the level that he played because that ended up getting him fined, I think, in the 24 season because he had a clause in his contract where he had to be there for 85% of the off season program. And he was like, nah, I'm taking off. I'm going to do what I need to do. You know, that's best for my body. You know, Jerry did his thing through his press conference, was like, hey, you know, that ain't it. And then I think the next day, Parsons and Diggs, I guess, had like a little joint press conference. And, you know, I guess Parsons back Diggs, and it's like, yo, you gotta do what's best for you. You know, your body, whatever it is, line was kind of drawn in the sand, so to speak. And then along with that, I guess they had another player that they started, you know, liking better. It's business. Business. It's business. Where, where are you at in it?

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

So as far as the trying to stay at home or trying to stay when you went and played in D.C. sometimes if y' all are off the next day, coaches will probably let the vet like if you're a vet or something. You know what I'm saying man, boom, my family's here. I'm going to fly back there to then just get back on the plane and fly back. Some, some of it just makes sense. So if you have a relationship with the coach and he knows you're about to go spend time with your family, this where you from.

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[Joe Harrison Hayden]

They played the Cowboys. I can see how a coach would let it happen. Some coaches would just be like this. No, what you're doing is you're going to fly back with the team, you know what I'm saying? You fly back with the team and then when you get there, then you can fly. Then you get on your own plane, fly back out there. Just make sure you gotta do what you gotta do. So some coaches are just strict like that. They like, no, like, that's not how we're rocking. Some coaches will let the players get away with other little stuff like that. So with that, that's a coach's decision, you know what I'm saying? He can tell you, no, everybody's getting back on the plane. But that's the same thing with some coaches are players coaches. Some coaches, they'll let certain dudes do certain things. And you're thinking, I'm a player that's making 25 million. I signed a $97 million contract. I'm handling my business or coaches probably like you, not hooping like that. You are making 97. Fly back with the team and get yourself a PJ and fly back if you want to. Like you gonna do that on your own dime. So coaches can be petty, you know what I'm saying? If it's a good player and you have a good relationship. Nah, smooth, good player, not playing coaches feel some type of way. You're flying back with the team, then you're gonna go back, you know what I'm saying? So those situations, I could definitely see how it happened. Been involved with those for sure. So I don't see nothing wrong with the coach, you know what I'm saying? Because it is what it is, man. This is the team. We're flying back. This is nobody's thing, you know what I'm saying? Cool. Everybody back on the plane. Everybody get back. I'm setting up my flight so when I get off of there, I'm not even leaving the airport. I'm just getting on the flight and I'm going back.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm going from the FBO to the actual airport.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

I'm going to the actual jump. You know what I'm Saying so however you want to do it, you can handle your business. Coaches are going to take. That's the coaches decision, you know what I'm saying? No, you're not going back. We're doing this. So with that, I think that's, that's kind of what it was.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah. I think, I think shot and Hiram said they had, you know, previous conversations, tough conversations, some good, some bad. But I think this was something where, you know, the writing was on the wall. You know, they had already really made a decision that they were going to let him go after the end of the year. And he's like, yo, I got one game left. Like, what do I care? I mean I don't, you know, I don't. I wouldn't have did that. I'm like, yo, because now they could still, they could have still find him, you know what I'm saying? It would be super petty. But yeah, they, they could have still find him. But they ended up releasing him and I guess the packers picked him up.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

They picked him up instantly. He out there in Green Bay with Michael Parsons chilling. Yeah, my dog, Michael Park.

[James Debo Harrison]

He said, hey, I guarantee you Michael was like, yo, go ahead and get him. He, oh, he had a hunted. He ready to go.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Instantly, instantly.

[James Debo Harrison]

How many years he got left on his deal?

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

He only got only. I think this is the last, last of the guaranteed. It's only the last of the guarantee. So the Green Bay packers gotta pay him the rest of his contract. This for this game. It's like 500,000, something like that. And then next year they can release him.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, you can double dip though.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

I know they can release him, I'm saying. Or they can restructure his deal because right now he don't have nothing. So they can basically. Diggs is going into. He signed a deal there, you know what I'm saying? Got his bag. They weren't rocking. It's kind of where when I look at the cornerback and where Diggs is at, he can reinvent himself now when he's going to go hopefully hoop out for the Green Bay packers where he can get a contract with a good team, where now you can be happy, consistent, try to see if they can give you a good. But I'm seeing if Green Bay is going to give him a one year deal, give him a two year deal, a three year deal. Is it a prove it year? You know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

I believe it's a prove it year. I want you on that.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

I'm looking at like a 1 for 15, you know what I'm saying? Let's see what you can do. Because the highest corners are making 30. He was making 20 million. So 115. See what you can do and then be able to get him an extension. And now, like, he can reinventerate itself. Playing with a good team, good situation. So I'm looking at Diggs like, bro, you got your bag. But now, like, if you want to do it again and really show that you are.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

You got to come in here right now. You know what I'm saying? Ball out. And then boom, you right back to the table showing that you still that dude. Because he's only. It's only his fifth year in the league, bro. This is right around it. You good? Six.

[James Debo Harrison]

I think it's six.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Six, 15, 20, 28. Not, not. He's not even that old.

[James Debo Harrison]

So, you know, hey, listen, they, you know, you know how they be tripping now when you try and get to that three old go.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

And I'm saying right now, that's what he can hit him for now and get another like three years. You just gotta fall out, Diggs, you gotta ball out.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I think that would be idea. It's just he gotta get that. He got to get the opportunity he have left on his deal. Like, they picked him up, so they kind of like gotta let him go to restructure it, right?

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

No, they picked. They picked up his. They picked him up. So they picked up his contract, right? Picked up the five year 97. And that's gonna be. It's like $500,000 a game. So they paying him that for this game. And then next year he would probably be making $20 million. But they get to renegotiate.

[James Debo Harrison]

All right, that's what I'm saying. They're gonna have to renegotiate. Restructure that.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Yeah, restructure that.

[James Debo Harrison]

There's no way I'm gonna pay you that. Especially after the last, you know, couple years.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Oh, no, no, for sure. They could restructure it or they could release them, but I'm right.

[James Debo Harrison]

So you went on pick him up just to release him?

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Nah, I think you picked him up to do your thing, Diggs, and then be working on every negotiation, you know what I'm saying? Because then you go, you're gonna get some guaranteed money, you know what I'm saying? Dicks is walking into a brand new contract, which I'm looking at it, you know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, I guess. Yeah. You can look at it like that. Especially Going in, he probably already know the inside. Like, yo, you come here, but you know that you ain't gonna get what you got coming.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

No, no, we're gonna, we're gonna rip that deal up and we're gonna re structure something so you're gonna get guaranteed money. This your first year on your new contract. But I don't know what it is, you know what I'm saying? It might be 1 for 15. Just here prove a year. You know what I'm saying? See what you could do, right? You never know.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Drake may he respond to his critics saying they had an easy schedule. He said we playing the NFL. He said every team has great players. It's not like we're playing. It's not like we're playing Foxborough High School down the road. Why you banging on a little high school team down the road, man?

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

He just letting you know them know they not in the same class as him. It's high school, it's little League, man. It's the big boy leagues like every week.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, how they catch a straight on?

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

How they catch a straight.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yo, that's crazy. Yeah, he did, he did. Yeah, I understand what he's saying. Like, it is what it is. Can't nobody, you can't make your schedule. It ain't your fault that the teams y' all ended up, you know, getting was. Ended up being, you know, some of the lower winning teams in the league. But you still, like you said, you still got to go out there and play. You still gotta win. Look what we did against the Browns.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Like, ah, hey, any given Sunday, that's why we watch the games. Brokens, Rams, all of this last second.

[James Debo Harrison]

This is why you play the game. Yes.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Deebo, you never know. You think, oh, no, you play to win. Do you think the other teams are trying to lose? I could say maybe. I don't know about owners or trying to get a draft picks, but I know the players that are actually out on the field do not want to lose, do not want to get embarrassed. They're trying.

[James Debo Harrison]

I ain't trying to put no bad tape out there.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

They're trying to succeed.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's gonna mess my money up thousand percent.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

So I respect the teams. When you go out there with the Patriots beat, who you supposed to be, you know what I'm saying? Like, don't leave it out. Don't play down to your competition, to where you make it. Next thing you know, you start looking crazy and you lose. So then you go down there and beat. What do you say? Beat A fly with a sledgehammer. You just gotta go do it and don't give up.

[James Debo Harrison]

No way. No way. Give up. I can't. I don't even know. I don't even know.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

I'm not even give up. But I'm saying like start. Start playing it. Start. Start playing that backup defense. Stop playing that. Oh, no. Y' all could take 15, 20, 20. That's what I'm talking about. Preventing you from winning.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's what it do. Prevent defense. It prevents you from winning the game. Do not play that. That is not what we doing. Yo, you know what time it is? Play a Faded by. Joe. Yo, I made my pictures for Sunday's race, brother. And you either play my lineup or you faded and you go have to tell me why. Lamar Jackson is not not going more. He is going less than 212.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Yes, he is.

[James Debo Harrison]

Derrick Henry is going to go more than 91. It's going to be very hard to stop that man from getting.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Because I mean 100 yards.

[James Debo Harrison]

When they go give him the ball 30 times, they're gonna have to give.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

It to 30 because we gave. Because last time he had 94 yards for 25 carries. I'm thinking they're gonna have to give it to him at least 30. Okay, 30 for 95. 30 for 94. So I. I could see over 91. But I'm really pissing me off because I don't even want him to have.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't want him to have it. I know we talking paper on the line, Joe.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Are we talking play or play?

[James Debo Harrison]

I can't go out here and. And just give it up. Aaron Rodgers. Less.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Oh my.

[James Debo Harrison]

Less, bro. Yeah, I mean you gotta. Yeah, it's less, bro.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

It's gonna be a lot of dumps.

[James Debo Harrison]

Cleveland. What was Cleveland? 160 something. And look at it. The last game we played against the Ravens, it was 284.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

We gonna need none of that.

[James Debo Harrison]

We missing right now.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Gainwell and Warren are gonna have to run for a buck 70 between the two 50 each receiving. Okay. Yes. And then. I like it.

[James Debo Harrison]

We still was in a dog fight. Hold up, man. I totally forgot about the. The catch. That wasn't a catch. That we would have went crazy if it was us.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

The likely joint.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes. The interception, fumble, whatever that was.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

He got down. He got to get another foot, bruh.

[James Debo Harrison]

We would lose our mind if that was us. And then the roughing, the whole. The roughing, the snapper. That wasn't a roughing.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

That added four terrible. He didn't Even touch the snapper, dude. We'll take it though.

[James Debo Harrison]

And the other running back, he go come in for the spell and he go, he go get another 10 carries. If they don't run that ball 40 times, at least they done went on ahead 30 and 10 and allowed whoever it is that make that decision to help them lose the game. I'm hoping they do do that.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

That.

[James Debo Harrison]

Because I'm willing. I'm. I'm actually willing to lose this to win, but I'm. I'm. I'm not. I'm not optimistic that it's going to happen. Lamar is playing, which is great.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Lamar's playing, which is great.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Okay. We don't. Yep. Okay. We need Lamar. I like all of these, Debo. I like all of these.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, bro, I knew you wouldn't like it, man.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

I like all of these and I like all of these in a win. This, this, this is a. This is a key. This is a key. This is going to be a key to victory. But just like the, the over rushing yards, they gonna have to run the ball a lot. But just, just bury. Because it's for the bread, right?

[James Debo Harrison]

They got 40 carries. It's gonna be hard to keep somebody under 120 yards. 40 carries, 40 carries, it's gonna be hard. But it is easily winnable if you keep them within that three yard range.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Debo, all I'm telling you is we're gonna watch this game and we have to win. First down, everybody watching watch. First down. We have to watch this game.

[James Debo Harrison]

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[Joe Harrison Hayden]

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[James Debo Harrison]

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[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Oh, who we got, Debo?

[James Debo Harrison]

You know who we got. We got Covenant money. Covenant like ooh wee. Hello, my nephews. If they don't get our tight end involved, we are done. That's 100% true, Joe.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Yes, bro. We need to get Fire Move and Johnu. Fire Move and Johnu. Both of them.

[James Debo Harrison]

Easily, like easily.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

It's like every time we get into.

[James Debo Harrison]

Fire Move discovered Washington and forgot about friarmouth.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Every time. The last game against the Browns, every drive we made, Firemove across the middle was dominating. Don't forget about him. He's nice.

[James Debo Harrison]

So she said if the defense don't take Henry Out. We're done. We don't need to take him out. Running the ball, that's all.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Oh, for sure. Put. Everybody stay in your lane.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay, Baby Jesus. Cousin, what's the effing. Effing the laterals and act like you. If that's a. Is that. Is that a. Is that a cuss word?

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

No, she talking about get your Hair Mary on. And you know. She's talking about.

[James Debo Harrison]

Cousin F. The laterals and act like. Act like, you know, Jesus, mama. And get your Hail Mary on. She said, I've been. She said, I've been drunk since the Browns game.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

I'm nervous.

[James Debo Harrison]

I love y'. All.

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[James Debo Harrison]

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[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Covenant, we gonna get.

[James Debo Harrison]

Come on, fam. Let's press them over 100k. Subscribe. It's free. Listen to Covenant Life. We appreciate you. I would say have a drink on me, but no, no, it might put you out. We got. We gotta sober you up a little bit for the game. Come. So you can see what you're looking at.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

We need to get one of them hydration packs.

[James Debo Harrison]

Get a hydration pack.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Yep.

[James Debo Harrison]

Iv. Maybe all that we got here, man. Tyler Moore donated $5.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

What up, Tyler?

[James Debo Harrison]

He said, are y' all going to be at the game? And what do y' all think the final score will be? I will be at the game. Joe. Will you be at the game?

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

I don't know. I'm a. Fine. I'll. I'll know. I'll know tonight.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay. Okay.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Tonight. I know tonight.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay. What do you think the final score would be? What do you want the final score to be?

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

I want it to be 20, 20 to 10.

[James Debo Harrison]

Us 20.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Don't even think I would think the other team. Debo.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm just making sure. Cause you're a Browns fan sometimes. 2010, they told the Ravens they didn't do that for them, so.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

2010 Steelers.

[James Debo Harrison]

I ain't gonna lie to you, bro. I'm gonna have to go with 12 to 6 US. It ain't. I like that ain't number field goals. We gotta. We gotta stop them.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

I wrote it down. You went. You went 12, six. I went 2010.

[James Debo Harrison]

We gotta stop them boys from running the ball, man.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

We got to.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay. We gotta, gotta, gotta stop them boys from running the ball. If we do not stop them from running the ball, it's gonna be a long night. Actually, it'll be a short night, but it's gonna be a long night. Cause the clock go keep running. And they gonna keep running both of.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Yep. We just need to maintain drives. I'M telling you, I'm not mad at Dinkin Dunks. I'm not mad at those, but I'm not. I'm win first down. I'm second and six. Second and five. And we'll win the most time you see second and five. We're gonna be good to go.

[James Debo Harrison]

Bro. I hope so, brother.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

I hope so. Telling you. I'm telling you, Deebo.

[James Debo Harrison]

I meant we got. We got. Was that Creek Knock 6288 donated $25 said Happy New Year, Kings. Are you guys going to be on tour with Nightcap soon? We gonna be on tour with Nightcap.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

I don't know. I know we gonna be up there and see him at Super Bowl.

[James Debo Harrison]

We gonna figure it out, though. We gonna let y' all know when we do.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Facts.

[James Debo Harrison]

We gonna let y' all know when we do. For sure. For sure.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Mm, that'd be too crazy.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes, sir. It'd be a beautiful thing. Beautiful thing. Would be a beautiful thing.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Beautiful thing.

[James Debo Harrison]

Tyler Odell. 999-994-Nines. Donated $10. Said Debo. Joe, my birthday was the 31st. Happy belated birthday, brother.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Hey, happy belated 31st.

[James Debo Harrison]

Let me get a birthday on the 31st. Stiller's Nays. Hey, we got you, bro. Happy belated birthday. I hope it was a good one. You want one from the dog pound or just stealing nations? Cause I can tell Joe to shut his mouth. Joe, don't you say a damn word. You understand? Hey, look here, man. So some good games tomorrow and Sunday.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Yes, yes, yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

All y'. All. Sunday night is gonna be hot. Even though it's probably gonna be in the teens like out there. Now. Act right. Accurate actor shirt. Look here. Don't forget though, we got the ticket giveaway.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Check your IG for everything that it is that you need to do for your chance to win, okay?

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Yep, yep, yep.

[James Debo Harrison]

Do not want to miss it as we go out here and we grind out a win.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Kill whatever history they thought they was gonna make.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Come on. And head to the playoffs.

[James Debo Harrison]

Head right into the playoffs.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Come on, man. On a good vibe.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, and guess what else?

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

What's up?

[James Debo Harrison]

AFC north champs.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Go get them hats.

[James Debo Harrison]

You understand what I'm saying?

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[Joe Harrison Hayden]

And T shirts.

[James Debo Harrison]

You understand what I'm saying?

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

T shirts. Cam, go get them hats and T shirts.

[James Debo Harrison]

Gotta start here before you can get there.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

First way through the division.

[James Debo Harrison]

Let's go. Let's go. Lakir, baby. We wanna thank you guys for joining us on another episode of Deebo. And Joe, please make sure you like and subscribe. We will back be back here on Monday talking about this win. Yes, Pittsburgh still has had on Sunday night against the Ravens the Rat Birds. Okay, make sure you back here get it to a hundred thousand like Covenant Life said. Hey, slow down on the drinking. Slow down on the drinking so you can watch the game. Clear. Yes.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

I need eyes on the prize.

[James Debo Harrison]

You can light up again. Go ahead after that win.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Come on.

[James Debo Harrison]

Celebration. It's a celebration. It's a party. Drink. Be merry.

[Joe Harrison Hayden]

Joe, you know what time it is. We will be here on Monday. Turn all the way up. You gonna see Deebo in a great mood. Let's go baby.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes, sir. And we. Foreign.

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[James Debo Harrison]

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[Joe Harrison Hayden]

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[James Debo Harrison]

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