Deebo & Joe - Steelers WIN AGAIN: Aaron Rodgers injured? + Shedeur's NFL debut, Ja'Marr spit-gate

Summary

Club Shay Shay – “Deebo & Joe - Steelers WIN AGAIN: Aaron Rodgers injured? + Shedeur's NFL debut, Ja'Marr spit-gate”

Date: November 17, 2025
Hosts: Deebo (Jane Deebo Harris) & Joe Hate

Episode Overview

This episode is all about NFL action, with a deep dive into the Pittsburgh Steelers’ latest win, Aaron Rodgers’ mid-game injury, Shedeur Sanders’ rocky NFL debut, and the infamous Ja'Marr Chase "spit-gate" incident. Deebo and Joe bring their trademark energy, humor, and honest football analysis while discussing big plays, controversial calls, emotional rivalries, and some drama on and off the field.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Steelers vs. Bengals: Detailed Breakdown

• Opening Energy and Steelers Talk

  • The hosts kick off celebrating the Steelers' decisive victory over the Bengals.
  • “Steelers won. That’s the main thing. That’s what we gonna talk about. That’s the juice.” (Deebo, 02:26)
  • Steelers took charge early, executing a near-perfect first drive ending with an 11-yard touchdown.
  • “That’s what it’s supposed to look like when you playing the 32nd ranked defense.” (Deebo, 03:56)

• Key Steelers Plays and Defensive Analysis

  • Big plays by T.J. Watt and James Pierre are highlighted, emphasizing hard-hitting defensive performances.
  • Joe critiques the defense's tendency to drop too deep on third downs:
    • “If it’s third and 11, why do we drop 13 yards? We drop 11…and we know they’re going to run sticks patterns…” (Joe, 04:47)
  • Both point out the Bengals capitalizing on the Steelers’ occasional defensive miscues.

• Referee Calls and Defensive Frustrations

  • Frustration with roughing the passer calls and modern NFL rules that protect quarterbacks, sometimes excessively.
    • “If it’s a hard hit on the quarterback...they just want to throw.” (Deebo, 08:00)

• First Half Stalls and Missed Opportunities

  • Despite the Bengals' poor defense, Pittsburgh’s offense struggled to capitalize, often settling for field goals.
  • “We end up...first and goal at the nine, have to settle for three points against the worst defense in the NFL.” (Deebo, 14:02)
  • Both hosts express the need for better red zone execution and spacing among receivers.

Injury Update: Aaron Rodgers & Jaylen Warren

• Rodgers goes out hurt in the second half:
  • “This is when I find out that Rodgers is out the game.” (Deebo, 15:54)
• Backup Mason Rudolph steps in, exceeding expectations with poised throws on third down.
  • “That’s what I’m talking about, Mason. That’s how you step in there.” (Joe, 17:32)
• Jaylen Warren hurt on a run, leading to discussion on turf vs. grass surfaces and injury risks (16:45–17:18).

Steelers’ Defense Delivers

• Key Defensive Standouts
  • James Pierre and Jalen Ramsey both praised for physical and clean play.
  • The Steelers’ secondary made big hits and avoided penalties:
    • “The DBs played clean all night...I don’t even think we got a penalty.” (Deebo, 09:42)
• Turnover Production
  • Late in the game, T.J. Watt’s tipped ball leads to a pick-six:
    • “Was it a pick six, my brother? ... Duggar sitting right in the spot.” (Joe, 21:26–21:33)
  • Another defensive score with a fumble return:
    • “My man Peter Scoop come to the house. TT 34 yard touchdown to the house!” (Deebo, 28:13)

Ja’Marr Chase ‘Spit-Gate’: Drama & Debate

• Controversial moment where Ja’Marr Chase allegedly spits on Jalen Ramsey, sparking a brawl and Ramsey’s ejection:
  • “Jamar said he didn’t spit on him…We got that. Walk us through what happened.” (Deebo, 35:05)
  • Joe is unequivocal:
    • “Nothing is more disrespectful than spitting on somebody.” (Joe, 38:50)
• Hosts watch and discuss the video, firmly back Ramsey and call for a real penalty against Chase.
• Lively, emotional reaction:
  • “If any players spit on you, Deebo, would you have the same reaction?”
    • “Nah, bro, I’d have went to jail.” (Listener question, Deebo, 66:13)

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Browns/Ravens Recap & Shedeur Sanders’ NFL Debut

Browns’ Offensive Struggles

• Deebo and Joe roast the Browns’ error-prone offense and self-inflicted wounds.
• “The Browns’ issues is y’all offense is trash. Trash. There’s nothing else I can say, period.” (Deebo, 53:19)
• Discussion about penalties, missed scoring opportunities, and failed red zone trips.

Shedeur Sanders’ Debut

• Joe and Deebo analyze Shedeur’s first NFL snaps:
  • Line struggles, lack of 1st-team practice time, and high expectations.
  • “4 for 16, 47 yards...I don’t think Shedeur played good at all, honestly.” (Joe, 53:50)
• Debate about fair assessment for a rookie never given a true prep opportunity
  • “Never in my lifestream quarterback never getting any time with the ones.” (Deebo, 54:43)
• Both predict improvement as Shedeur gets more reps, with Joe defending his potential and leadership.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Steelers’ defense:
  • “Bend but don’t break, obviously.” (Joe, 22:22)
• On turf injuries:
  • “This play right here…is a prime example why every NFL team should have grass.” (Deebo, 16:50)
• On Ja’Marr spit-gate:
  • “Spitting on somebody…that’s just disgusting. Shouldn’t be in the league.” (Joe, 38:54)
• On Browns coaching decisions:
  • “If they bring him [Dylan Gabriel] back next week, Stefanski hates Shedeur.” (Deebo, 64:08)
• On coaching style:
  • “With Cowher, if you didn’t play well on special teams…you weren’t starting…not happening, dude.” (Deebo, 68:52)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Steelers-Bengals Game Recap: 02:26–14:54
• Rodgers Injury & QB Swap: 15:53–18:24
• Defensive Turnovers (Pick-Six, Scoop-and-Score): 21:09–28:27
• Ja’Marr Spit-Gate Discussion: 35:05–41:41
• Steelers D-line play, Defensive Coaching Rant: 30:19–34:40; 68:52–71:46
• Browns/Ravens Game Breakdown: 42:10–54:43
• Shedeur Sanders’ Debut Analysis: 53:50–61:38
• Listener Questions/Super Chat (on spitting, coaches, Miles Garrett): 66:13–75:39

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Tone and Style

Deebo and Joe keep it candid, passionate, and peppered with unfiltered football insights—bantering, poking fun, and digging into details with a player’s perspective. The language is bold, the takes are strong, and the loyalty to their teams (and former teammates) shines through.

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a must-listen for Steelers fans and NFL junkies who enjoy blunt analysis, locker-room style banter, and unflinching honesty. The dramatic “spit-gate” saga is discussed as a serious, personal affront, while honest breakdowns of rookie performances and defensive struggles keep the football talk grounded and real.

“I ain’t never gonna apologize for winning, baby.” (Deebo, 34:40)

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Transcript

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[A]

Yes. Yes. Welcome back to Deebo and Joe. I'm your host, Jane Deebo Harris. I'm here with my co host, Joe Hate. Hey, please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. Hey, how you doing? To Jay and the day Joe. You kind of like this or you like this? Because I'm like this. You feel me, Joe, you muted baby.

[D]

Damn. I'm feeling good.

[A]

De bro, you ain't want to talk, huh?

[D]

No, I, I'm. My bad. I'm feeling great. I'm feeling great. Good day, good vibes. I'm so happy. I love your energy.

[A]

How you feeling? Great. How you feeling? Great. Because, you know, it's kind of. You got one that did this. You got one that did this. And yeah, I mean, what?

[D]

Cause look. Cause I, I, I know, I know we starting the show with so I know we starting the show with the good. Okay, so I'm gonna go ahead and pop behind feeling, you know what I'm saying? I looked, I said, okay, if we starting off with the Browns, I would start off with a little different energy right now. Steelers won. That's the main thing is the main thing. That's what we gonna talk about. That's the juice. I'm coming.

[A]

Okay. Okay. See, I Like the synergy right here. I like the synergy. You know what I'm saying? You told you I want. Yeah. I ain't gonna never apologize for winning. Ain't that how I go?

[D]

Never, Never. It's too hard in NFL.

[A]

Hey, y', all, look here. I. I don't know if y' all heard, but still is. Still is beat. Beat the bangle by 22. 22. If you get 21, you supposed to get a sticks up, right? Big sticks up saying, man, hey, look here, man. Still is still to start the thing off right though. They went on up in that thing, got that ball. Hey, first down, they hit DK for five. Second down, Jalen hit him one for five. Third down kind of came in there, get a good old tush push. He had DK on the next one for 17, baby. And then. Hey, hey. On that next second down, though, that boy Warren said, Hey, 35, 11 playing the hole. He ain't playing with him. Damn well went on here and finished it off with 11 yard touchdown. Hey.

[D]

Yes, sir.

[A]

70708 play. 77 yard. Almost five minutes of work. Hey, that's. That's. That's what it's supposed to look like when you playing the 30 seconds.

[D]

That's exactly what it's supposed to look like. Debo, that terrible defense, they made him look like they were supposed to question.

[A]

That's what you do supposed to do. Hey, still, let's get on out there, man. First play, TJ wrapped that boy up. Negative one. Yep. Negative. Dropping for a loss. Hey, Pierre was hitting all night. He. Come on, man.

[D]

We gonna talk about him throughout this segment. And then we don't. We got to was no game.

[A]

And then on third and 11, we do what we do. See, we give him just enough 11.

[D]

But that's what I'm talking about right there, Debo. We did what we had to do. But on this third down, guys, we got to drop to the sticks. If it's third and 11, why do we drop 13 yards? We drop 11 yards because we know they going to run. They're going to have to. They going. They're running sticks patterns. So that's just like we get to the position where we need it. Stop, like, stop dropping so deep. Simple.

[A]

For sure. For sure. They end up being able to stay a little ahead of the sticks the next few downs, whatever it is. And then on second down, we jumped off sides. So that kind of gave him the opportunity to have that. That short. You know, they go past it or run it and they hit us for 15, bro. On a run. Listen, the whole D line on that play was three yards back. They got pushed three yards back, bro. Look at that play. Wow. Wow. Jalen came up, made the short tackle. They still got 15 out of it. And then I believe. What was it the next we get some pressure on it, but I think it was like a 28 yard touchdown to Higgins.

[D]

Yeah, he didn't have no pressure on that one. He was sitting there waiting. Cause Higgins ran the damn drag route which turned into a.

[A]

What's the one he had all day?

[D]

Yeah, all day he was sitting there patting the ball. Patting the ball so he was able to turn up. Yeah.

[A]

So now we. We seven, seven. So now we seven, seven, man. And I'm thinking like, what, what, you know what the freak is going on? Like.

[D]

Oh.

[A]

But then they went on ahead and tried to go for two points because they got a penalty. Yeah. Extra point. Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

They miss it. That was a good hit on that one too, though. That was a good hit on that one too.

[D]

Mad as the direct snap. Thought it was sweet. Caught it right in the hole.

[A]

We get the Rock back. I think it was like, what was it that second and eight, gang. Well, hit him with that one hand, like smooth. Went on here, got the first down and then I think it was like second and 10. We jumped off sides and then we go ahead, get the fourth and one. Conor does his thing, you know, we're. We're able to make it up, you know, make the first down, but we end up stalling out and gotta punt the Rock. I don't even know how we stall out on the defense that bad, bro. I ain't gonna lie.

[D]

That's. That's what I was understanding that part too. I thought we was going to be able to just walk it down the field, take advantage of that defense. They ranked 32. They was kind of getting some stops.

[A]

On the third and then like even the offense, they get the ball back. First down, they. They hit us with five yards, you know, so now they're staying ahead of the change. Third down, Chase ended up getting I think 10 or something like that. The next third down, you know, it was incomplete. Dude, that roughing was weak.

[D]

That was. Get to the TJ was. You say he fell in with full body. He was falling on the side and he hit the ball.

[A]

Did you. Did you see the other game where dude just make a straight up clean tackle? Like just if you tackle it. Which one? I think it was la. Or was it the Chargers one or the other, it was, I think, Chargers, dude, clean, good tackle on the quarterback. I mean, shoulder to the side, all that. No head, no nut. He landed down, tackled him. If it's a hard hit on the quarterback, nah, they, they just. They just want to throw.

[D]

You can't do that. It's already hard enough. It's already hard enough to get to the quarterback. And then they saying when you're falling into him, you hitting them, you tackling them low. You can't, like, if you're stumbling to him as a defensive lineman, you just can't touch him now. Like, you can't just hit his legs.

[A]

It was a clean, like foreign tackle on the other cat, dude, like, clean. I mean, I could see what they're trying to say because you know how you scoop a guy in trying to get him down, but like, you want us to make sure that we put our hands out to protect him. But you got to make sure you short at tackle too, because what if he stays up long enough to throw it before you get him down? They don't understand that though. Understand they ended up giving them a first down again. The next play. We go ahead and give him five yards, like keeping them ahead, but they end up getting a false start. And boy, on that third down, who, who was there, man? Who's there on that third down, man?

[D]

James Pierre. Man to man. And the good part was they talking about some. His other hand, he's just come, he's just touching them, making sure that when he jumps, he's making sure he touches the ball, hits it. And just in case you gotta grab, you gotta secure the tackle. So he's not grabbing them or holding them down. He's just placing his hand right there, making sure that if I do miss his ball now, I can secure the tackle. Beautiful play, dude.

[A]

The DBs played clean all night. I ain't gonna lie to you, man. I don't even think we got a penalty.

[D]

No, I don't think so. No, not at all.

[A]

We end up forcing them to punt and get the ball back and we, we go with three and out. Like, bruh, three and out. That ain't something that you do against a 32nd ranked defense. That's just. That's just not something you do. The first play though, when, when the Bengals got the ball back, I think that's when they had, you know, a little. That. That's when the issue built up right there with Ramsey. Let him know, man, listen, you ain't coming across here nowhere and having any touch on the ball. Whether you catch it or not, I'm gonna make sure you feel me.

[D]

I love that.

[A]

That safety, man. We need that. We need that.

[D]

Yes, yes. Jalen was balling, bro. I mean, he's playing the safety position coming downhill, and you know, as a corner, you can see he's faster you. But as a safety, things are happening. You know, what's developing in front of you.

[A]

I love the whole thing.

[D]

See the whole field. And he knows concepts. He's coming in there and laying the wood. I love that he came and said.

[A]

We end up forcing the three out and dude, we hitting like the DBs is hitting, though. They. They. They up there, they know they don't want to head and put. Put their foot in the ground. They. They laying wood, you know? Yes, dude, is nice. Nice good decisions back out there, though. We lose. We lose a yard on the first. On the first. First down run again to the worst run defense in the league. But you know that. That guy Fry your move.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Hey, he gave that DB at work. Oh, snap.

[D]

But I'm sighting. Started getting activated for sure.

[A]

For sure. And then they got. I think Rogers ended up missing old dude, like on that. On that first down, though. And then we got. Got sacked on the second, we end up punting.

[D]

No. Heck no. This one we get to know. This will be. This. This will mount. This one. Mount Washington start going crazy.

[A]

No, I don't think that was it. That might be the next one, buddy.

[D]

I.

[A]

Because that was when they ended up still. I mean, still. Bengals get the ball back, and I think it was like a third and six. We ended up giving up 17. And then that next third down, I think is when Duggar dropped that pick six he could have had.

[D]

Ah, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[A]

Yeah. And they. They end up. They end up punting the ball, and they came back around to him. But we didn't get to that, baby. We get to that, man. Still, let's get out there, man. Hey, Aaron, Roger said he ain't that old, man. He went on ahead on the third down, man, he went on here, scrambled for a good one. Now.

[D]

I remember to get down. You saw his chin strap fell off and everything.

[A]

He usually wants, right, man, you know, old school, man. Old school man.

[D]

Single. Single.

[A]

But yeah, we able to, you know, they get a PI on that. On that first down, and then, like, we give it back to him. DK ends up getting a PI, but they come on here, give it back to us, they get a roughing. You know what I'm saying? That. That's when that man, Washington. Hey, hey. He went on here, got 31. Listen, he just stiff armed the first dude into hell. That was all. That was the second dude. Hey, he made. He made a business decision, man.

[D]

Second dude could have just pushed him out of.

[A]

Listen, he did not want to get in front of that. He made a business decision, okay? And the third dude, he just little boyed him. That's how you play with your kid. What you doing? Get out of here.

[D]

Yeah, the third dude, I felt bad because he just trying to. He's trying to punch the ball out, like getting in the way, got speed bumped. So that jump was just disrespectful gain.

[A]

Will came back, went on here for a high 12, dude. Then we got another rough in the quarterback. Listen, I understand, like, you gotta protect the quarterbacks and I want to protect mine, but then he hit like the middle of his back. Bottom of his back, butt hot. Top of his butt, like. Yeah, we got it. I ain't tripping. But being a defensive player, like, it's getting.

[D]

Yeah, just being honest. Just being honest.

[A]

It's getting out of control. We end up. Bro, we end up. What was it? First and goal at the nine and have to settle for three points against the worst defense in the NFL.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, that. That. That's bad ball. And that's. That's supposed to be. That's supposed to be damn near Ross on air. We got enough talent. We got Aaron Rogers at the quarterback standing right there. We need to score.

[A]

Dude, the one Play. I seen four of us within like a. A 10 yard circle in the end zone at the same spot.

[D]

Not spacing like we do. And I thought, I know we always run. What's that thing that we would do seven shots. So I know, like, what are the. Do you got to have some plays set up to be in the red zone?

[A]

Like, I. Whatever, man. I ain't tripping. I'm tripping, but I ain't tripping. You 610 at the half. You know we winning. I. I ain't tripping. I ain't. I'm tripping, but I ain't tripping. You know what I'm saying, bro? First down, beginning of the third quarter. We left Brown.

[D]

Explosive, explosive.

[A]

35, bro. What? Yeah, hold up. And then I think it ended up being a little while later, like second and five, six, something like that. We gave him even six, seven. We gave him enough to get it. We gave him enough to get it. You know, we end up holding the next three plays after that, force a Field goal. I mean, we don't give it a 35. We don't even have to force a field. But anyway, dude, it's nine to ten.

[C]

Hey.

[A]

And this, I think, is when I find out that Rogers is out the game. Yeah.

[D]

And income. In comes my dog.

[A]

Here comes my dog, Mason.

[D]

Good old life.

[A]

Y' all nervous. I was more nervous than a hooker in church. I ain't gonna lie to you, baby.

[D]

See, I believed. Yeah, I believe. I believe.

[A]

You know, we get up out there, man, first time, we get a nice five. Keeping it. Keeping it good, you know, Second down, we. We get that. We. We. We get a second and think it was two. We only get, like, what was it, one or something like that. Maybe we got the first. But that. No, that was. That was the play that Jaylen Warren, he got hurt, dude. Like.

[D]

Oh, yeah, with his a. Like, he look like. Boy, it look crazy. I know. We got this.

[A]

This play right here, bro, is a prime example while. Why every NFL team should have grass. That is turf. His foot don't slide and cut through that turf.

[D]

It don't move.

[A]

Totally don't slide through it. Everything is gone like this, Debo, you.

[D]

Speaking facts about that, brother, that's for sure. If it wasn't for that, his whole thing could have. His whole knee would have been. It wouldn't have said it right.

[A]

The cleats wouldn't have cut through the grass, cut through the ground, you know what I'm saying? Like, and that little bit that it did was enough to save him. Obviously, he was back out there. Third and 11. Hit Wilson. I think it was for 17, man.

[D]

That's. But that. Listen here, then we can't skip that. We can't skip that, because as a backup quarterback coming into the game, we're worried. You know what I'm saying? You just said you're. Here comes Mason. It's third and 11. What you gonna do? He standed tall in the pocket and dropped a dime to Wilson on that 7 route. Like, chilling, you know what I'm saying? And that could just calm everybody's nerves. I know it calmed my nerves. It calm like this. That's what I'm talking about, Mason. That's how you step in there. It wasn't going this, like, just running game. It's 3rd and 11. What you gonna do? You gonna just look flazzled. You're gonna look flustered or you're gonna make a pass. So I'd like to just say for him, you know what I'm saying? Watching, I Know, just people, just shaky. What it gonna look like? Stand in that joint, drop a dime on third and long, you know what I'm saying? As soon as you come in, it can calm down a lot of people and get some. Get some vibes going. I know it did for me.

[A]

Oh, no question. Then the third down, I'm thinking, we gotta catch. They get. They get DK on the PI. I ain't gonna lie. I'm not upset with that. Even though I am upset with. As defensive person, I'm not upset with it. Like, at some point, you know?

[D]

Yeah, dk, you got to be a little more subtle.

[A]

Just a little.

[D]

He's strong as a mug, and he's double hand pushing. You need to go chicken wing, you know what I'm saying? You're strong enough to where he's stay. Keep him close to you. The ball's coming. You see it, huh? And then you can go up and get it. So, like, receivers are really good at just doing this instead of doing double. Obviously, we know you. This is still pushing off. This is affecting me just as much as this is, you know what I'm saying? As a db, just wait till it comes boom and you're going up, and you can't really tell nothing, but it's a way. You got to be subtle with it. Instead of, you put two hands on me, you're pushing off. Now, obviously, I can't get back and make a play that's a pass interference, but if you chicken wing me, you still push me off, but, like, it is what it is.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? Just a little something.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Hey, man. Hey, man. On that third 17, though. Hey, he made.

[D]

That's what mount.

[A]

That's the one you're talking about. Hey, if that boy wasn't so tall, we might have been showing because buddy had it.

[D]

He reached a good eight yards. Body lane.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They didn't already seen what he did the previous, you know, to the. To the other three DBs, but that boy was just holding on for life. Like, yo, let me just hold them.

[D]

Boys went low.

[A]

Let me just hold on for life. I'm just trying. I'm just trying to. Hey, Mason went, I think, on the next two. The first and the second down hit DK for both. On both of them for nine each one. Yep.

[D]

Hey, marching it down there, taking time off the clock, chilling, you know what I'm saying? Doing what the quarterback's supposed to do.

[A]

We get seven yards on that next first down and stall out again.

[D]

Yep, yep. We still couldn't get no points there. We still, we got points. We got a field goal, but we won. Touchdown.

[A]

That. That would have topped it. That would have. Top.

[D]

That would have. That would have finished them all.

[A]

Yo, Bangles, get back out there. Hey, again on the second down. Hey, that boy Ramsey came on up, down that thing bad. Put that on and made him say, get, get that ball up. Get. Get that ball up. And then on third and ten, we give up 15 because of miss. Yeah.

[D]

Trying to, Trying to just bump people.

[A]

I, I, I don't know what that is. I don't know what it is.

[D]

Wrap them up. You gotta wrap up. You gotta wrap up.

[A]

And then on the second down, I think Higgins got what, about 15 on that one? Like on the. On and then the next one. My guy came through, though. My guy came.

[D]

Here we go. There we go. B. Break. We in the Spice. We in the Spice tip.

[A]

And I don't, you know what? I don't even know what happened on that next third down. I guess I must have fell asleep. You tell me, Joe, what happened on that next play after TJ Tipped that ball? I don't know what happened. You tell me.

[D]

Did a. Is it a pick? Was it a pick six, my brother? Is it a pick six? The digger sitting right in the spot.

[A]

That he needed to be and ran.

[D]

That thing all the way back.

[A]

Hey, hey. It was a return for a touchdown.

[D]

That was beautiful.

[A]

Duggar said, hey, I made. I missed that one. I missed that one, but I ain't go miss this one.

[D]

Great, great play. Great play. Big six. You thought it was sweet.

[A]

You thought it was sweet. We dropping people into the hole right there to make sure. And you threw respect to leverage.

[D]

Everybody outside, funnel them inside.

[A]

Funnel him inside to him, Joe.

[D]

Hit him in the chest.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

You can pick six everybody.

[A]

Everybody get lucky once in a while. That last game you played, Joe, you got lucky. You hear me? You got lucky, old man.

[D]

That defense stood up, brother. That defense was standing up. Yeah, the office, they was giving up some runs like you said, but you know, Bimba don't break, obviously.

[A]

Hey, Joe, it's nine to 20 now. We scope. Okay, first play out the gate. Mangles get the ball back.

[D]

They get paid, too.

[A]

We give up 22. We give up 22. And then we stop them boys on the third and one. And Ramsey gets a PI, gets a personal file, and he gets tossed out the game. Now, listen, I don't know what happened at that time, but I'm gonna tell you what I'm saying to my son and I'm apologize to you, Ramsey, off rip right now. We'll get to this. We'll get to the whole subject later, after we get done with this. But I'm like, oh my God, I can't believe this man just hit this man for no reason. And my son is like, well, you know, he did that and he didn't know. No, listen, it's nothing he could have said to him that would have made him nothing, dude. I'm like, I'm like, he is selfish. He is putting himself ahead of the team. I'm giving all that right to my son because I got to get some good advice.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, no, for sure.

[A]

But at the same time, I am pissed because that gave him a first down. Right, Right. But like I said, I don't know none of the other stuff. So we're gonna move forward from here. They're able to stay ahead of the chains for longer.

[B]

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[A]

Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line. But first. There, the last one. Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes enough. But her big herbo calling her big. Came in with that big sack. We end up making them settle for a field goal.

[D]

That dude's a baller. Stepping in for high Smith.

[A]

Yes, sir. Lose the beat 20 to 12. Now look, look, I ain't gonna lie to you. I'm kind of nervous because there's a lot of time left and I'm like, yo, offense, all I need y' all to do is burn some clock.

[D]

Clock.

[A]

Burn the clock. And you know what they did for your boy? They did one battle.

[D]

They did more than that.

[A]

One battle, brother. They put together 12 play, 65 yards, 6 minute touchdown drive, brother. Hey, basically he went 67 even after we had got a 15 yard face match, brother.

[D]

That's a lot of. And you know at the same time, that's a lot of yak. That's a lot of gain. Well, catching and making people miss and getting yards after the catch because some of those, you know, it was some dumb downs, but game well being able.

[A]

To make moves, you got to be able to see the dump down now. You got to make sure that you go, no, no, no, no, no.

[D]

It's still your responsibility to do it. I'm not taking away from Mason Rudolph at all. I'm loving the fact that he was able to make the dump off too. I'm just saying it's a team sport and we got players making plays and him getting it into the playmaker's hands. I'm geeked. I was speaking. I'm Mason Rudolph fan. So I'm saying he's doing exactly what I was hoping for and what you were hoping for.

[A]

Yes, sir.

[D]

And it happened right in front of our eyes. Z Bo.

[A]

Hey, the bongos, get back out there. Hey, force.

[D]

What we do on defense, Joe, man, we opportunistic. We do, Joe, we create turnovers, we get interceptions, we get strip sacks, and we strip people of the ball and we score.

[A]

Score.

[D]

My man Peter Scoop come to the house.

[A]

TT 34 yard touchdown to the house.

[D]

With a front flip.

[A]

With a front flip. He could have landed on his feet.

[D]

Almost could have. Almost could have.

[A]

Scared. He ain't know if he was gonna rotate all the way through and hit his face.

[D]

I need a little bit more rotation.

[A]

Scared. He was trying to find the ground. 34 to 12, you know, 12. Hey, man, game basically over, man. It ain't nothing but like, what is It a little over three minutes left.

[D]

They look dead balls. They marched down there, but guess what? They ended it down.

[A]

Defense.

[D]

Pierre almost had another pick. 4th and 1. You want to throw a little bit?

[A]

Almost stop playing.

[D]

Game over.

[A]

Ball game. Game over. Listen here, man. We the Pittsburgh Stoles. This is what we do now. Let's go ahead. Hey, I ain't gonna sit here and make like we ain't got no problems. While the defense did perform better. Oh, especially the DBs, like these dudes was hitting, they was playing clean, you understand? And they're going to have to hit and tackle because looking at this dude, just looking at how we're lined up, what we're doing, who has to do what, these DBs are going to actually have to tackle like. Like linebackers do. The defensive line for the most part is consistently getting pushed back. Like I told you before, I saw the one play where the whole D line was at least 3 yards back. Wouldn't nobody nowhere else. Like the defense. From me looking at it, dude, it's no way it's gap sound. It's no way they're gapped out properly. I'm seeing things that's impossible to even gap out just from how you're. You're lined up. So from a just alignment assignment, it is adequately trash.

[D]

I asked you this about the. The D line with the one game. What do you think would made it different when they played against the Colts? Because as we seen that they can do it. They did it versus Jonathan Taylor. The best running. You know what I'm saying? The best running back in the league. How. Why do you think that it works so good that game? Because they showed us, you know what I'm saying, that they can do it. You know what I'm saying? So like, why do you think it's.

[A]

Just game by game, consistently, we do not do well on the D line. That has been day one, period. We've been getting pushed off the ball either here or there. And when you have a guy that it's nowhere where our whole D line is playing on their side of the line, it's nowhere where, you know, on a consistent basis, I'll say where our whole D line is. Is. You know, they're. They're. They're trying to the deep. The offensive lineman is trying to operate from a yard deep. They're getting our ground.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

The best that we. I have seen is we get a stalemate or we get a guy here or there that penetrates through the line and sometimes they still make it through that creates a vertical hole. You got this guy who actually did his job, he's a yard deep. But you got this dude right here.

[D]

Who'S two yards, he's getting pushed back.

[A]

So. Okay. And like I said, just the alignment assignment as it is instructed from the defense itself, like, yes, a man has to whoop a man, but I'm looking at this and from alignment assignment standpoint, you're asking a man to whoop a man and then whoop another man too. He got two men.

[D]

Oh, like it's, that's not.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

So you think it's no something wrong.

[A]

With the defense, period. It's not.

[D]

I got you.

[A]

The D coordinator needs some. Something ain't right. It ain't. It's too many times I'm seeing a guy do the same thing and if he's doing the same thing and you still keep him out there, the dude behind him got to be horribly trash or he's doing what he's supposed to do, which don't look like it's supposed to be done because we keep getting hit.

[D]

No, I, I, I see what you're saying. With the run game, it's just too many times where it's explosive plays, too many gaps, too many vertical holes, not.

[A]

Even explosive plays all the time. It is consistency, dude. The, the running back almost had 100 on 18 carries, bro.

[D]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. No, that's what I'm saying. It's supposed to play. This is like 10 yard runs. Anything over a 10 yard run is explosive. I'm like they're busting getting first yard runs on first down. Running for damn near a first down. Like 12 yard carries, 15 yard carries and then they'll bust out one for 30 something, you know what I'm saying? Eventually if they break too many break tackles in the secondary. But I'm with you 1000% on that. I think the good thing is with the defense are secondary like you said stepped up a whole lot and it's just a lot of things is with.

[A]

Well, we also, we also got to do situationally better situational. That's what I'm saying.

[D]

With the, with the long third downs. So I would say the first third down when queen. We just got to get our situation. It's 3rd and 11. Don't drop back past 11, don't drop to 13, drop to 11 where your feet are messed on the stick so you can react down and make sure they drop it short. Or you can make a play on the ball then on the Third and sixth, the man to man. Some ones they're gonna get rub routes, but on the long ones, we need to be situationally aware to where we're dropping to the sticks and making sure they can come back down and make those plays. The run game, like you said, I've seen them do it, so I know that they can. I just think that that's every man whoop a man. And when you're saying sometimes alignment, sometimes schemes might be a little off, dude.

[A]

I'm seeing stuff where it can't be filled. You don't have enough people there to fill the gaps that are available. You got somebody that got a whoop. Two. Two.

[D]

That shouldn't be the case. That shouldn't be the case. That shouldn't be the case.

[A]

It don't make no sense. The offense, though, hey, they, they just, they just, they just got improved. All, all, all over 30 second rate defense, and that's, that's what we get. Like, I'm not. They didn't, they didn't. Yeah, you know, they didn't look like a 32nd rate, they think, you know, I mean, but, hey, what'd they say? I ain't never gonna apologize for winning, baby.

[D]

I ain't never gonna apologize.

[A]

I will never apologize for winning, baby. Now, look here, man, that's a fact. They ejected. Hey, Rams, I told you, I'll go. I gotta apologize to you, my guy Ramsey, for punching. And I'm like, this got to be the illest brother in Nebraska for just taking off on this man. But.

[D]

And that's.

[A]

Hey, Jamar said he didn't spit on him. Hey, we got that. Listen, we got that. Walk us through what happened with Jim. Exchanging words.

[B]

You were saying that you spit on him. Did you spit on him?

[D]

I never, I ain't never opened my.

[A]

Mouth to that guy.

[B]

What do you think prompted the reaction from him?

[A]

Well, you don't like some of the.

[D]

Stories I told him. We've been going back and forth the whole time, so I'm sure some, some.

[A]

Got under his skin. He said something got under skin. He ain't did nothing to that guy. He said he ain't opened his mouth to that guy. But you know what's so crazy, man? I mean, the eye in the sky don't lie.

[D]

It's about a thousand things.

[A]

And you got other people, you know what I'm saying? 8, 55, 75K. 50,000,000K. 30,000. 34, 5K. Hey, it's more cameras you've ever had in the history of the world. Hey, now, yes, I know I'm. I'm older than you and my vision going, but tell me if you can see what I saw. Can you please show the video?

[D]

Yes. Let me check. Spit a lot. A big. That was a lot, right?

[A]

Yep, yep. It don't matter. It wasn't. It wasn't like, I was talking and you know. You know how you be talking and something just fly like. Like BC when he talking.

[D]

Yeah, because it's a bunch of gum.

[A]

You know what I'm saying?

[D]

It wasn't to say it don't spread.

[A]

And tried to do the slope, bruh. You spit on that, man, Listen, it ain't nothing more disrespectful than spitting on somebody. This stuff. Oh, yes, dude, Jalen, you better than me. I would have still been trying to get him. And listen, I don't even think this go stop here. If you spit on me, I'm gonna find out where you at in off season, period. It's no other way. NFL. Y' all need to make an example of this cat and give him four, six games to let these dudes know, because this is really something that can spill off of the field on into the off season. Dude, like, even if I can't beat you, if you're a mix of Jon Jones, Mike Tyson, Muhammad Ali altogether, bro, everybody got somebody. If I don't do nothing else but have somebody lay on you for two weeks, find out where you go going to offseason, where you go to kick it. And all of a sudden, it was a random attack. Somebody in a ski mask slapped so and so on the head with a bottle as he was leaving. What? I got to get my. I'm dead serious, bro. I know. I know you are.

[D]

I know.

[A]

I know you are people. I mean, that's not me. Now, I ain't gonna lie. That might still this.

[D]

You know, that's not you right now. That's not you.

[A]

I hope it wasn't. I hope it ain't. Don't nobody. Don't.

[D]

Nobody find out. Don't nobody try to find out. Okay, I gotta lose everything. This is what I have to say on the situation. One thing is, when the freak did it become cool to start spitting on people? You know what I'm saying? Like we always say, keep your hands to yourself, keep your feet to yourself. Treat people the way you want to be treated. Slapping somebody, open hand, smacks, all this stuff is. Nothing is more disrespectful than spitting somebody.

[A]

Like just this, like, the third time this year.

[D]

And, like, it's not cool. It's disgusting. You know what I'm saying? It's very, very disrespectful, and it's just something that shouldn't be in the league. I love Ja' Marr Chase. Great player, amazing receiver. My favorite receiver in the league. But what the makes it cool. That, and then going to line about it. We're blatant on 4K. Everybody sees what the hell's going on. Everybody sees the situation. Jalen Ramsey, you had every right to do exactly what you did. And, like, Deebo's situation, you know what I'm saying? But, like, that's just disgusting. And I hate seeing, like, people keep doing it. Like, oh, yeah, they. Whatever, man. Spit them. Like, what? What are we doing? You know what I'm saying? I don't.

[A]

Go find. Do you.

[D]

There you go.

[A]

Like, that's like people who steal and think they ain't gonna be caught. They got five cameras pointed at you right now, and you think you saw. You grab it and it never left your hand to get back on the shelf. They saw the spit fly out your mouth. Like, come on.

[D]

We got the footage. That's you, and you got the jamar. It says Chase on the back of your jersey. You got your helmet on as you looking at the other guy, the assailant that said Jalen Ramsey. He says you spit on him. Did you?

[A]

No.

[D]

No. All right, we'll go to the. We'll go.

[A]

You lying like a little kid. Like a little kid, man. That's the same, man. You're a grown man. You lie like you got caught. You. You lying like a little kid. You scared? What?

[D]

No. For sure. Cause you know you did wrong. You know you wrong.

[A]

Dude, I'm up here hot. Like, yo, Ramsey, you don't went on here and did this for no reason. You done. You done put us in jeopardy, like, now. No, listen, I see why they couldn't get him off. They wouldn't have been able to get me off the field. The locker room that they at for our locker room is directly right there. I'd have been like, yo, I'm leaving. I'd have been sitting in his locker room under something, waiting.

[D]

And especially I know why Jalen was sitting there, because he like this. He spit on me, and now this. Because. Because this was the. The first thing they had, the first little scuffle. They talk and they get the. So they both have the warning. And now when I see Jalen still up on. I'm like, dang. And Jamar Chase didn't even move his arm.

[A]

I know, but I'm thinking it's just words at that time for sure.

[D]

Same thing that I was thinking at the same point. So now we're looking at it. But then, Jalen, for him not to want to go off the field, he like this, no, this could just spit on me. And now y' all kicking me out of the game. I'm not going nowhere till he leaves the field like, I got spit on. You know what I'm saying? Obviously, I'm going to spazz and retaliate, but, like, no, he. Then he's sitting there like, acting like never happened. But Chase was like this. I'm good. I'm good. I'm like, yeah, no question, you good.

[A]

You think you done got away with it.

[D]

I'm telling you, you chilling. Yep.

[A]

Yep. Anyway, man, but hey, that's what we do, man. You know, we gonna win, win, win no matter what, you know? Hey, man, I'll tell you right now, man, I 100 think that the Browns just hate distillers so much, they willing to kill themselves. What happened?

[D]

And with your Browns, Joe, did you watch the game?

[A]

I can't say I watched the game. I can't say they got a legal formation. You know, when they went for that four for one, even though after they made it, I can't say that they got a field goal off that. I can't say a lot of things. But did you. I mean, you tell me what happened, Joe.

[D]

Everything you said happened exactly, like, act, right? The thing is the. The. Sometimes the. Just the Browns offense, like you said, when you're not that. When you don't have too much, when you're not just abundance of talent, you can't do. You have to do little things, right? You can't hurt yourself. You can't be setting up penalties. So long story short, like you said, Debo, first drive, we get the. We get it down to. We get it down to get ready to go for the fourth, Fourth and one. We go for it. We convert it, and we are in an illegal formation, like somebody's covered up. That's what bad teams do. You're expecting we. We. You're supposed to plan for this practice, for this, knowing these situations know you're supposed to. You're going to be in this. This is our short. This is our short yardage situation. This man needs to be on the line. This person needs to be off the line. You know what I'm saying? So that happened. Punt. The ball starts off bad. So get Debo I know you. I know you know, you seen the spot.

[A]

I'm just trying to hear, you know, just, you know, just give me a synopsis, baby. You know what I'm saying? You know what happened next?

[D]

Did. Did anybody so score?

[A]

Did they. I think the game was started off 3 0. I don't know. I didn't watch it.

[D]

Got field goal. Ravens got. Ravens got a field goal because then Miles. Miles Garrett.

[A]

We. We did.

[D]

We been. But don't break. They got. They got some runs they got down there. Miles got a sack, his first sack of the day. But you're going to hear about that a lot throughout the day, you know what I'm saying? So they ended up getting three Browns get the ball back. 13 yard run, starts off right. Judkins, you know what I'm saying? Judgins again, this is when we start just handing the ball to Judkins. Juckin started running the ball good. We did some Dylan Gabriel once in a while.

[A]

Go ahead.

[D]

Well, yeah, yeah, okay. Dylan Gabriel, he has a chance to do. He does a rollout. So then the first time we pass it for Dylan Gabriel, he just, on the out route, just throws the ball out of bounds.

[A]

Did y' all get a touchdown? I'm good.

[D]

No, we didn't get a touchdown. We got a field goal.

[A]

Okay. Oh, so it's three. Three.

[D]

Okay, we got a field goal. It's three.

[A]

Three. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go ahead, Joe. Go ahead.

[D]

We get it to the Ravens. Great coverage. Defense doing what they doing what they normally do. Browns get the ball back, but a punt, right?

[A]

What happened. What happened, what happened on the. I want to get. I want to get. I want to get to a punt. What happened on the. What happened. What happened. What happened on. What happened on the punt?

[D]

Where?

[A]

I don't know. I heard somebody was on the six yard line and they only got a field goal from it. That's what they told me.

[D]

The Raven, this one. This is when I started telling you, too. The Ravens was trying to help us out a little bit. Our special teams ball. When they punted the ball off, they fumbled it. And we get the ball at the six yard line.

[A]

You got a system we don't get?

[D]

No, we don't score. First down. We first. We don't get. We don't.

[A]

We're saying what they did to that dog.

[D]

What you. What are you talking about?

[A]

You get a field. Go ahead.

[D]

So then punt the ball off. I mean, we kick the ball off. Ravens get it. What do they do, D. What do the Ravens do?

[A]

Ravens went on here and said, hey, let us spot your seven more. We don't care. Here. Interception. Touchdown. Here, here.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah. They gave it to you. They like to make it tough. They know if they go ahead and play you up front and don't give you a lead, it ain't gonna be entertaining for the fans off the easy. And then what they do immediately after that, when they got that ball back, though, they said, we don't want y' all to think you're actually doing this on your own. We helping you. They went on here, scored the touchdown. They said, we're gonna keep it within three. Hey, and most we gonna let y' all do is six ever. You know what I'm saying?

[D]

What's the score now?

[A]

1310 right now. And then they say, hey, let's. Let's make it exciting again. They let y' all get a field goal, man. They let y' all get a field go, you know, and then on top of that, they said, we ain't gonna even score on that next possession. We gonna go into halftime, and we're gonna let you boys go ahead and be up.

[D]

I don't know why we started calling timeouts before the half. Like we were. Like our offense was about to do something. I don't know what. I don't know what he was thinking. So that. Yeah, that just threw me all the way off. Dylan wasn't. All right, let's go to the second half.

[A]

Hey, man, I ain't gonna lie to you, man. It wasn't. You know, it wasn't nothing but a little bit of a punk fest, you know, going back and forth there.

[D]

Yeah. And then Shadow came in there, so. Yeah, came in. So can we start the third? Yes. Shadow came in when they start the third. So this is when let's get to. So we're 1610 halftime, right? Ravens get the ball. Miles Garrett comes in there, gets a tackle for loss. Then he gets a sack. His fourth sack of the day. Then the Ravens got a.

[A]

You get a Hunter sacks, it ain't gonna matter.

[D]

All right, look, so then Shador comes in there. I get very excited. I'm happy. I want to go. I hope. I'm hoping that he comes out there and does well, but at the same time, he hasn't practiced. We're gonna get to when he has a practice.

[B]

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[A]

Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line.

[B]

Line.

[A]

But first. There the last one. Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes. Go ahead. Go ahead. Man, you giving a lot of excuses, man.

[D]

I'm just hoping.

[A]

Interception.

[D]

Not off the rip. Not off the rip. Not off the rip. He was out there. He got a. He got strip sack and they had to put it on his first drive. The Ravens get the ball back. Do they get the 4th and 8? What's up?

[A]

Listen, at least Lamar gave it right back to you right after that.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. So.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. Scratch.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Yes. Should do a second shadow. Second drive, first and 10. Jugging slips and falls. Second down. Incomplete pass. Corner jumped around. Third and 10. Third and 10. I don't know if it was. If he knows how to slide the protection.

[A]

Who.

[D]

Who, who missed the block, but it was three people blocking one person. Okay, what's up?

[A]

We get to that. Joe. Nothing happened, Joe. The Ravens came back out there. They got another field gold. Okay, you see.

[D]

Do you see this picture? I'm Talking about this is when he threw the pick. He gets smacked, like, right here. It's one person over there to the right blocking, and we have three of our players blocking.

[A]

You saying he called that protection like that?

[D]

No, I'm saying I don't know who called the protection. I don't know if he knew that. Like, this is. He's. This is his first time in. We need to know, like, hopefully the line is sliding into this side some. There was some miscommunication. Something's going on right here.

[A]

Where? Well, considering you don't get a chance to practice with the ones. We'll get to that.

[D]

But anyway, we'll get to that. But I'm just saying this. This does not look right for either the lineman, the quarterback, the sliding, the protection, obviously. So he sits right there, stands in the pocket, throws a pick, and it doesn't look good for my man. Ravens get the ball on the 16 yard line, and then Browns defense again, you know what I'm saying? Lamar Jackson throws the ball, hits off somebody's head, and then my young bull 49 jumps up, makes a pick, makes a play, gets the ball right back for us. So now Shador goes back out there, right? So now on the 1st and 10 on this one, he gets to scrambling out. You don't throw the ball back behind your body like this. He could have thrown a pick on the first play. So I'm not here for like, to. To say, like, I'm.

[A]

I'm.

[D]

I'm gonna be honest. When everybody plays like Dylan at the beginning of the game, too, he had passes. He threw one good pass. And that's the one thing about Dylan. He threw a good pass to Tillman. And you said.

[A]

I said, listen, Joe, that's what I'm doing for you, Joe.

[D]

What. What you gonna do?

[A]

I'm just gonna go ahead and let you get to Shador. Okay. Okay. So this what we gonna do.

[D]

Okay?

[A]

Y' all stall out all day. They kicked two more field goals. Hey, man, I could have swore. Like, I seen a dude take off like he was running forever. Big dude. Big giant dude.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Anyway, it's sixteen.

[A]

Sixteen right at the field goal. Hey, just push, you fake got, and then y' all go out there and turn it over on downs. Now let's go ahead and get to the Browns issues. The Browns issues is y' all offense is trash. Trash. There's nothing else I can say, period. Okay? Now let's get to my guy or your guy, Shador. How you think Shador played, man?

[D]

I Don't think Shador played good at all, honestly. Four for 1647 yards. Sometimes just standing back in there, you know what I'm saying? Like just moving, just moving a little bit too slow. And I'm not going to blame him too much because at the end of the day, how many reps has he got? This is his first time out there at all getting any snaps, getting, being able to throw the ball to Judy. This is crazy talk though. Him being there since being drafted, rookie camp, everything, and not being able to have any time to throw the ball to these, to these players is crazy. So the ill preparedness of him and not like if you're a backup quarterback, we know he's going to get, you're not going to get a lot of reps at all. But when Dylan Gabriel was the backup quarterback, was he getting any reps just in case something were to happen? If you, if your starter goes down, your backup needs some type of reps. So him not going in there.

[A]

I never heard in my life, in your life, in your lifestream quarterback never getting any time with the one in history of a season ever, ever, ever in life. Now listen, so no, no, there's two levels of people, man, that are looking at that one.

[D]

Hold on, hold on, hold up. I'm not done. Because it's not. And this is the thing too. I'm, I'm not here to be a Shador. I'm, I'm going to be honest. So you can't stand, say the 4 for 16 was great. I don't think it was, wasn't a good performance. He did a little things, a little too slow. Some of just the, the intentional ground ins, stuff like that we just can't have. But the deep ball, the dig when he did have time, throwing that dagger on time, standing up in the pocket, like being able to be a really, a quarterback, throwing the first two passes he did like rolling out to the pocket, throwing it on target, not high. Some of the passes that were dropped, you know what I'm saying that word dropped. So I'm not here to say he didn't like he played like horrible game. But that wasn't, that wasn't Shador's best and he knows that too, you know what I'm saying? He's like, man, how did you play? I didn't do good. So I'm not here to be like, no, Shador played great. There's a lot of reasons why he played the way he did. But I'm really excited because now he at Least gets for the Shador haters. Like this, man. You throw Shador in and just trying to bash him. Now look what you got. This what you got. Now be happy with him. Like, no, no, no. Shut your mouth. We watched Dylan Gabriel. He's been able to get his first 15 plays. He's been able to sit, get reps with the coaches, been able to get reps with the coordinator, be able to find what plays I like, what I feel comfortable with on third down, what I want to. What plays I want to, what plays I feel comfortable with. So this was not good, but let's give him a leash. He's going to get his time. We able to see Dylan Gabriel throw one good pass a game that I saw. And just a lot of Aaron was. So I would always been brutally honest of just, if it's a bad pass, you throwing something in the ground. That's what it is. If you throw a good class, it's a good pass. So Dylan's been able to throw like, it's consistently two good passes per game. I can buy this. That's a nice pass. That's not good enough. You know what I'm saying? If you want to be a professional quarterback. So with Shador's performance today, that was not the other day, that wasn't good. But for him to now be able to finally get to go in there, for him to now finally be able to throw the ball to the starting receivers, be able to meet with the line and get his cadence, get. Be able to know protections, being able to get. Who's calling these protections, being able to just get a feel, being able to get his feet wet like he said for this game, unexpectedly just getting thrown in and to Dylan Gabriel's play, playbook, you're not going to. You may not perform well. So I don't think he played good at all. But I'm very excited for him now to be able to get some plays and be able to get out there and be able to play with his stuff, be able to get some plays that he likes, be able to get some practice under his belt and get out there with a clip, with a. With a clean opportunity. So I'm geek.

[A]

It's two, four levels of people. It's two different kind of people that want to see Shador do something. It's the Shador haters who hate him because of his father, who hates him because they feel like he got an opportunity they didn't. That hates him because he is who he is. Okay? Period. And there's Other people who are like, yo, I want to see him do well, okay? I want to see him do well. I just don't want to see him do well against us. Now, that being said, I'm 100 with you. Shador did not have a good game, but Shador did make throws. He did make decisions that were good and bad. Could have made better decisions again at the same time you're trying to make like, oh, he's supposed to come in here as the backup quarterback who has never had a snap with the ones he has never seen real game time speed, because preseason is not game time speed. And you're going to judge him as if he's stepping in there as Tom Brady coming through and just supposed to come in here and lace and light everything up. And you done gave this boy that's in front of him more than enough time and he is still not able to do it. The comparison of the two is very close with one guy getting no snaps. And I'm just talking about right here in this half period. So all you should door haters, y' all keep hating. They keep Shador in there. He go get time. He go get a chance to be like, oh, this is how fast my dude is running the route. This is where I need to put the ball. Oh, these guys are going to get to me faster. This I need throw this ball faster. He breaks here. I can throw it faster as soon as he cuts to there because I know where he's going. He ain't had the timing to get all that together. Okay. He had the time to work with his lineman and realize, hey, a crazy, you know, I might, I might. I might need to know if so and so is over here. This, you know, everybody know who the lineman is that may let somebody slide through on you. Somebody know who made a mistake which you got to adjust to. Same thing your receivers, hey, you gotta go ahead and know, hey, how he likes to run his route, how where he cuts on his route. Is he going to adjust to his route like the one. Like, he could have hit the. He could have hit the tight end. But, dude, he's reading probably his primary and he don't even get time to really get to it. But if he knows, yeah, let's come in. He done had time to play and know that, you know, you're hot. Come on, stop hating on the man. Come on, give him time.

[D]

Then Debo, he threw the ball at the end of the game too, in the end zone. That was a great play by the defensive back. That Was a great play. It was in his hands. If they catch the ball. Oh, well, he threw a ball across his body.

[A]

Yes. That's the decisions that you make when you're. You haven't had the time to be out there and he's trying to make a play. He's trying to win the game. I done seen your boy Dylan, whoever he is, do the same thing persistently, at least one. One time every other game. This man had one half and never had a snap. Never had a snap with the ones. If you as a Cleveland Brown fan or a owner or the gm, and he ain't had a snap and he. Your two. Y' all need to fire your head coach now.

[D]

It's crazy. It's crazy. That's put in a position to lose.

[A]

Just put Dylan back in when we playing.

[D]

See, look, I appreciate your honesty with that, Debo. I appreciate your candor, you know, but. But for real. For real. Because when I look at Shadow, when you look at Shador, and I just don't like when people get done wrong. I like when it's a fair. It's. NFL is the game where the best players get the most opportunity and then nobody's trying to set you up for failure. I just don't want to feel like he's getting set up for failure.

[A]

Oh, I 100% think that he is not being assisted the same way as they assisted Dylan, period.

[D]

Yeah. So I just hope now being able to get out there. And the smart thing is Shador is a baller. He knows when he didn't play well, he's like, man, I didn't play well. So now when I get the chance to go out there, prep for the game, you know you're going to be starting. You know you're going to be out there. It's a whole different type of prep. And you're going to get reps and you know that you're going out there for a purpose. So I. I'm geek for it. No question.

[A]

What the first thing. What the first thing he did when he got in the locker room. Hey, guys, that's on me.

[D]

Hey, that's. He tried to take the full blame for it, but, like, you know, it's a team game. And, you know, like you said, that's. That.

[A]

That's leadership. And what's your other leader telling? What? What? What Garrett say? This ain't just on you. What are you talking about? This a team. Come on, bro. It's a team. The locker room already got his back. Stefanski, huh?

[D]

That was the most. That was the most energy. And did you. And did you hear him? Did you hear his response to how. When he was saying how the crowd was. The crowd started booing for Dylan. He threw that third and five yard route out of the game.

[A]

Tell me about my bad. I suppose I ain't seen the game. Go ahead.

[D]

No, no, no. You seen just the out route. I'm like, you can't not just throw that out route.

[A]

I'm sorry.

[D]

That's just bad pass. He's wide open. And then the crowd started booing. And then Shador was like, I ain't gonna lie. Like, I just don't like when the crowd like with boos. Cause at the end of the day, it's support. But you don't want to feel Dylan uncomfortable. I'm loving his. Just trying to have his man's back. Cause at the end of the day, he's not rooting for his downfall. But when you get out there, it's like the crowd wanted the car wants your door.

[A]

They seen enough.

[D]

You've seen him for five games. I've been watching and trying to be as honest and like, man, when he makes a good pass, I'm not just saying get him out of there. Like, give him chance. Let him start like we give him like four more like before he gets four games. Gets five games.

[A]

All right.

[D]

No, now he's out. He's concussed, and he wasn't doing that well.

[A]

I'mma tell you. I'm tell you. I'm g. Tell you this right now. I'mma tell you this right now from the performance the boy had. I'm talking about Dylan leading up to now and him getting put out with concussion if they bring him back next week. Stefanski hates Shador.

[D]

If he brings him back. He needs to let that man get his noggin right. Go through the protocol. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

You rushing him for what? He ain't won.

[D]

You're not one game rushing them back to not let Shador get his first. I don't know. I think we played. They played Vegas this week coming up. Yeah, and then I'm next one. I'm going week. I'm going week by week with my. With the Browns. I'm going week by week.

[A]

Get a man time to rest his head. Okay. He obviously has trouble figuring out things. His accuracy is trash. So now his eyes go be a.

[D]

Little woozy like, but it's crazy.

[A]

Listen, I don't care what you do. I hope you get fired. You deserve it. Just from the comments that you said about him. Like you don't know who your backup, who your number two quarterback is and you just got rid of Joe Flacco and you only got one of the quarterback on there. Use a. Use a piece of trash.

[D]

Man. Yeah, you right. Shout out to Devin Bush with the pick six. Hold up, I gotta show you real quick. Debo, you go. It's a D. Bush jersey.

[A]

Okay. Okay.

[D]

We did time. That's. That's another good man. He did time. Drafted by the Killers. Now he with the Browns. He's another one of my cross contaminated brothers.

[A]

He cross contaminated? Yep. Bruh, man, bruh. Oh my. Are you. Dude, we out of time, bruh. It's 12 o'. Clock. We gonna have to catch up on the rest of these, man. Tomorrow. But what we go do right now, man, is Joey, we got a super chat right there.

[D]

Joe, let me see that. I don't. I don't got the super chat on.

[A]

My check and see brother taking your vibes. Oh, we got a super chat.

[D]

We got a super chat, man.

[A]

Super chat.

[D]

And please tell me something chat.

[A]

Black Wolf 0412. He donated $5. He said, I'm going. He said I'm going right to the point. If any players spit on you Depot, would you have the same reaction the same way? Nah, bro, I'd have went to jail. I. Dude, I would have like, I'd at least try to like get all the way. Rip his helmet off. Jalen actually kind of, you know, he, he was, he subdued himself after he got a couple off and he realized dude wasn't fighting back. Yeah. And he was like, kind of like, no, no, it wouldn't have been no stopping. They had hit a helmet would have been off. Like it would have been. Dude, I honestly, the old me would have cleared both, both, both sides with.

[D]

A clear bow business. Then you wouldn't let. You wouldn't have let go. You the ground the pound of Depot, bruh.

[A]

I would. Bruh, I would not have let go, dude. I would not have let go. Hey man, Rick from New York. Hey. He gave 499. 499. He said with Dick Lebow as your D coordinator, pick a head coach to play your entire career for Coward or Tomlin. Oh, that's a hard one.

[D]

That's a U question right there.

[A]

You know what? I'd have to go. I'd have to go cower. I'd have to go cower. I liked, I liked what we had as a team.

[D]

It was how many years did you do with each one?

[A]

Ooh, man, I think it was only. Here's the thing. I would like to go with Kyle because of his approach and how he coached and how he led his players and, and so on and so forth. His, his, his, his personnel, you know, he had coaches in there that, that, that, that were, you know, great talents. You know, guys that, that went other places, did other things and, and like Coach Lebo, dude, you know what I'm saying? Like, come on. Like, so that, that for me is, is, you know, But.

[D]

Oh, no, I can respect that. No, when you got coaches like that, you, you picking, you picking between that. That's the hard part when you pick between grades. You know what I'm saying? It's not like you trying to shoot down one to say something good about the other. It's like, you got. He, like, man, both great picks. I could pick either one. But if you're asking me for my personal.

[A]

And then honestly, honestly, for me, what it comes down to is I like what we had as far as a defense. And I think a lot of that came from how Kyle picked his players. Like, and how he brought you up. Like, if you didn't play well on special teams with Kyra, you wasn't starting. I don't care. You weren't coming in and just starting because I picked you at this position or that position. Like, it's not happening, dude. It's not happening. You know? And like Coach Butts, best linebacker coach I ever had, man. Like, we had guys that, you know, they went and taught you the position. Like they played the position. We had guys that played the position. So they taught you the position. You knew, you know, you had the nuances of the position, and then you knew what was going to be difficult and you knew what was. You were never asked to do anything that was impossible.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? They pick players that would play to the position we needed them for. So if I need Casey Hampton, why do I need Casey Hampton? Because we run a true three. Four. We don't run a bastardized four. Three. We run a true three, four. What that mean? That means your three interior linemen gotta take up five. At least four for sure. They gotta be big body middleman. You gotta be able to hold two and move nowhere. And that's what Casey Hampton did. On top of that, his backup, Chris Hope. Hulk. Sorry, is Hulk. He did the same thing.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And it was pick the player that makes spot for the position.

[D]

Learn it.

[A]

Learn.

[D]

Was it, Was it to Your backup.

[A]

It was only one player that ever started on Dick LeBeau's defense as a rookie, and that was Kendra Bell. And you know why we played gap defenses? Gap defense means it tells the Mac gap, max, sword, knife, gun, whatever it is. It tells the Mac take off to a gap on the right, ABCD on the right, or ABCD on the left because it's so hard to understand and learn that defense. By time I came back, dude, we, I, I think when I came back, we had two or three rookies starting on the defense that ended up having to be changed because he can't learn. You can't learn. You don't know it, but they're being put out there to start, rushed into the start because that's what they want done. And it destroyed the defense to where, you know, by. Dude, we had. We used to have goal sheets. So you remember, you weren't even here. You came in 17, right? You had no goal sheet, right?

[D]

I don't think I had a goal sheet. I just saw the sacks that y'.

[A]

All, they stopped the goal sheet after 16. Cause we couldn't hit em. So it was a goal sheet where you had. It was like, I think, like 15 things, and it was Coach LeBeau's goal sheet. So of these 15 things, if you got somewhere between 12 or more, you had like a 90 something chance of the game, you know, winning the game. And these goals were based on like what, the top 5% or 10%, whatever it was, I think was 5. It was 5 or 10, I can't remember, of the league had did the previous years. So yards per game, yards per catch, yards per throw, all this other stuff, we stopped that in 16 because, dude, we were not getting the goals. So they just stopped it all together. I'm not gonna keep this sheet up. But also, Coach LeBeau was gone. It was a change of helm. So instead of us coming in, you know, every week and we looking at this goal sheet and we. We ain't got nothing, but, you know, three of them chat, they like, they just did away with it. So now you don't even have a goal. You don't have numbers. You don't have anything that you're setting your standard on to aspire to. Like analytics. Before they were analytics, he already had that. Like, that's what it was set up. And, and the only reason I noticed is because I asked him, like, yo, coach, the number went up a little bit from this year yesterday. From, from last year to this year. Well, the numbers of the average from Last year went up. So instead of it being a run of, you know, like 3.1 and went to 3.2, so every run has to average less than 3.2. Every pass has to average less than, you know, what was it, six or seven something. Whatever it was like, you know, and if you hit those goals, you're going to be in that top five defense. So, boom. Like, that was our team. We gotta start our team goal right now. We don't have anything. Ah.

[D]

I mean, we. We turning over the ball. We're creating turnovers, which is good. We need to. Like you said, Debo, the. Like, the.

[A]

The.

[D]

Is the gaps. People not in the same gap. People having to do too much for a job. We. I don't know how that's. That's. Like you said, that's defensive. That's coordinational change. So I don't know how that's going to change.

[A]

All right.

[D]

Unless you.

[A]

Yeah, we got one more super chat, baby. I've been. What is it, Lavin? Five dollars. He asked. He asked you this question. He said, will Miles Garrett break the sack record? What are you at right now? 15, 16?

[D]

I think they said he got. I think it might be seven games left, and he got eight sacks to break it with these multiple sack games. And I don't see. He got the five, and then he backed it up with the four. He got 10 in the last four weeks. So, I mean, if he.

[A]

He.

[D]

I could easily see him getting a sack in one of these. Go and get three. I mean, he's playing against the outcome. He gonna go against probably the Bengals again. He probably do. They play the. Still. I think they play the Steelers. Yes. And then the Ravens play against them. I think he might play everybody in the division, so, you know, with our divisions, it's possible.

[A]

They say it's The Raiders, the 49ers, Titans, Bears, Bills, Steelers.

[D]

See, messing around with the Raiders, he might mess around. Go get. Look, messing around. He goes against the Raiders and gets a three piece. Like, I'm not seeing Geno Smith standing back there. That line isn't the best, so he can go easily. You know what I'm saying? Get them behind the sticks. They stop the run. And then Miles got to start teeing off. You know what I'm saying? So he go get three.

[A]

He got. He got us and the Bengals at the end, so. I mean. Awesome. Listen, man, we got to get out here. I got to get going, man. I'm supposed to be somewhere a little bit. But look, we want to thank you Guys, for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. As I say, as I say, we gonna hit the other games tomorrow, baby. But hit the like and subscribe button so you can be here with us tomorrow. And you know, we go be back at this thing.

[D]

Joe, yo, make sure y' all come catch up, man, tomorrow with your boy and Debo. Appreciate everything. Make sure you hit the like and subscribe button and we out.

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