Deebo & Joe - Super Bowl LX REACTION: Sam Darnold & Seahawks DISMANTLE Drake Maye & Patriots

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Deebo & Joe: Super Bowl LX REACTION

Hosts: James Deebo Harrison & Joe Hayden
Date: February 9, 2026
Main Theme:
A spirited, detailed breakdown and reaction to Super Bowl LX, in which Sam Darnold and the Seattle Seahawks dismantled Drake Maye and the New England Patriots. The hosts, Deebo and Joe, also weave in locker room banter, stories, and honest reflections on the game’s turning points, player performances, and what the future holds for both franchises.

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Opening Banter & Spades Tournament Fallout

Timestamps: [02:31] – [14:13]

Key Points:

• Before diving into football, Deebo and Joe reflect on a tense (and hilarious) spat during a recent high-stakes spades tournament.
• Deebo recounts (in colorful detail) how Joe lost focus during the game, causing them to lose a critical hand and, ultimately, the match.
  • “All Joe had to do was go back with the trump... We would have set them, and they get going, right? So that went through. I say, Joe, man, come on, brother. You got to come back trump.” — Deebo, [06:10]
• Joe admits his mistakes, sharing the embarrassment and apology that followed.
  • “You hit the table strong as shit with both arms, and the drink fell off the table and landed on Buddy... So I left.” — Joe, [10:31]
  • Deebo later texts an apology:
    “I want to tell you I’m sorry for going off on you on the card table, bro. I need to do better. It was no reason for me to act that way, no matter what happened... I love you and appreciate you, bro.” — Deebo’s text, read by Joe, [12:18]
• The segment ends with both men reconnecting, sharing laughs and affirming their real friendship.

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Super Bowl LX: Game Breakdown

Timestamps: [14:13] – [57:15]

Game Flow & Big Themes

• Seahawks dominated both lines of scrimmage.
• Patriots’ offense stalled due to poor O-line protection and a frazzled rookie QB (Drake Maye).
• Seattle’s balanced team effort (offense, defense, special teams) shines.
• Kenneth Walker III's MVP-worth performance.

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1. Early Game: Seahawks Set the Tone

Key Segments: [14:13] – [25:43]

• Deebo and Joe highlight Seattle’s strategy — attacking the Patriots' “thick” edges with Walker’s runs.
  • “When Seattle got the ball on that first down, Walker took that thing 10 yards. I knew right then it was going to be a problem because New England's defenders play way too thick on the ends...” — Deebo, [14:34]
• Patriots defense plays hard but gets no help from the offense; Maye seems overwhelmed, O-line collapses repeatedly.
• Sam Darnold’s efficient ball placement is praised, though the hosts note a few missed opportunities.
• Seahawks settle for field goals early; Patriots can’t establish much offense.

2. First Half Defensive Struggle

Key Segments: [25:43] – [33:12]

• Multiple drives stall for both teams; field position battles highlight Seattle’s superior special teams.
• Patriots’ rookie O-linemen repeatedly targeted and beaten; hosts praise Seattle’s pass rush, especially on the edges.

3. Halftime Commentary

Key Segment: [31:01] – [32:36]

• Both hosts admit confusion over the halftime show, laugh about not understanding it, but respect cultural representation.

4. Third Quarter: Seattle Pulls Away

Key Segments: [32:36] – [40:37]

• Patriots get nothing going offensively; Seattle piles on more field goals.
• Deebo: “I cannot fault the Patriots defense at all...I’m not putting none of this on the Patriots defense.” [34:50]
• Seattle extends the lead; Walker’s strength and Seattle’s O-line continue to dominate.
• Key moment: Joe marvels at how the Patriots’ left tackle gets exposed all night.

5. Fourth Quarter: Game Gets Out of Hand

Key Segments: [40:37] – [50:30]

• Seattle finally breaks through with a back-breaking touchdown—well-designed play action enabled by an established run game.
• Patriots get late “garbage” yardage and touchdowns, but the hosts openly call out that this is not representative of the actual contest.
  • “Drake May had 60 yards passing in the first three quarters of that game. He scored two touchdowns and 235 yards in the trash time. That's a lot of trash yards. But, like, that's the most I ever seen.” — Joe, [47:52]
• Full praise for Kenneth Walker’s all-purpose, grind-it-out performance.

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Postgame Reflections & Offseason Outlook

Timestamps: [50:30] – [57:15]

For the Seahawks

• Joe gives credit to the entire Seattle staff for maximizing Sam Darnold’s strengths and hiding weaknesses.
  • “Sam Darnold isn’t the most special player, but if you put him in a spot where you have a team around you — you got a good running game, you have a solid offensive line...” — Joe, [47:49]
• Special mention: No turnovers for Seattle through the entire playoffs.

For the Patriots

• Both hosts agree O-line is biggest offseason priority.
• Deebo takes a longer-term/lighter stance—young linemen need time, but Joe is less patient.
  • “I’m a firm believer in, hey, man, if I got somebody behind you that you worried about, it should increase your will and desire to actually continue to be better and do better.” — Deebo, [54:09]
  • “If you’re a rookie and I hear you offseason, you got to get better. But I’m still bringing... If you talk about a need at the team, it’s definitely the offensive line and we need to be able to get some more guys on the outside that can make plays.” — Joe, [53:14]

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MVP Debate & Legacy

Timestamps: [57:15] – [60:27]

• Both agree Kenneth Walker III deserved MVP for carrying the offense.
  • “That man had 161 of a total of 335 yards of offense. He alone was responsible for… Yes, that is well deserving.” — Deebo, [58:24]
• Discussion on why the whole defense couldn’t get MVP:
  • “Now here’s the reason why I don’t care that you didn’t give it to the defense. Because the defense played three quarters. Now I would totally be a little upset if they didn’t give it to the defense if they came out there and they did that for four quarters and they didn’t give it to the defense.” — Deebo, [58:24]
• Classic Deebo quip on the economics of making 15 defensive MVP trophies.

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Kenneth Walker III Future & Paycheck

Timestamps: [61:58] – [63:33]

• Both hosts urge Walker to capitalize on his playoff run and secure a big payday, joking about future free agent scenarios.
  • “Get your bag, kid.” — Deebo, [63:22]
  • “Go help your team out, too. Still go tote. Still go tote. Cause that’s what you do. Listen, go get your bag and tote.” — Joe, [63:23]
• Joe runs through Walker’s playoff stats for emphasis:
  • “49ers, 19 carries, 116, three touchdowns. Rams, 19 carries, 62 yards. ...Patriots, 27 carries, 135.” — Joe, [62:39]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Seattle’s dominance:
  “Their defense hooped this entire playoffs. Their special teams hooped this entire playoffs. I would just want to say that... coaching staff... for being able to still know it's a team game.” — Joe, [47:49]
• On Patriots’ struggles:
  “Drake May, it didn’t look as good. You leaned on your defense... your offensive line, they need to protect you... But it starts off with that line. You're standing up there getting hit upside the head the whole time. That looked crazy.” — Joe, [48:14]
• On the harsh lessons of losing:
  “The best way to have motivation is to get your ass embarrassed in front of the whole world and have it replayed for the rest of the off season.” — Deebo, [55:32]

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Episode Highlights by Timestamp

• [02:31] — Opening banter; spades tournament aftermath
• [14:13] — Super Bowl breakdown begins; Seattle’s running game exposed Pats edges
• [24:16] — Gonzalez’s big defensive plays for Patriots
• [31:01] — Halftime show confusion
• [34:50] — Deebo defends Patriots’ D; blames the offense instead
• [40:21] — Seattle’s play action TD, breaking the Patriots’ back
• [47:52] — Trash time yardage debate; Joe on misleading stats
• [53:14] — Patriots offseason fix discussion
• [57:15] — MVP discussion
• [62:39] — Walker playoff carries and stats rundown
• [63:16] — Hosts sign off, counseling Walker to “get your bag”

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Tone & Style

• Authentic, unvarnished football debate — barbershop-style.
• Equal parts humor, storytelling, and pointed analysis.
• Occasional ribbing and genuine camaraderie.

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Summary:
The episode delivers a rich mix of tactical breakdown and personal banter, making sense of Super Bowl LX through the eyes of former players. Seattle’s comprehensive victory is underscored by teamwork, discipline, and running back Kenneth Walker III’s starring role. The hosts offer both sharp critiques and veteran optimism about New England’s future, blending expert perspective with locker-room candor.

Transcript

[James Debo Harrison]

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[James Debo Harrison]

Welcome back to Debo and Joe. I'm your host James Debo Harrison and I'm here with my co host Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like subscribe and download where you get your podcast. Joe, I ain't gonna lie to you babe. I'M kind of surprised to see you there. I thought you quit on me after Thursday, man. After the spade game, man. What I mean, like. I mean, how you doing today? I just. Because I ain't seen you since Thursday. How you doing today, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm doing great, brother. I'm doing, you know, we had a great weekend, you know. You are a funny dude, Debo.

[James Debo Harrison]

You are. I'm just. Hey, man, like. Like I said. Listen, I. I tell the people. I'm gonna tell the people at me. Joe. Joe got us into a spades tournament.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

On Thursday. Okay? And, you know, we get up there and we playing the game, and we. We're doing. We're doing well, you know, we bump off. We bump off the first ones, you know, Win the first round. We win the first round. We get to the second round, and we really ain't catching no hands. We know we got a five and a five. And then we caught. We caught a hand, you know, on the third hand. And, you know, I'm sitting there and I'm, you know, I'm sandbagging. I'm trying to, you know, I'm trying to get them to go higher than they want to. So I'm like, yo, we got five. You know what I'm saying? We got five. So they went on ahead and they. They failed for it. And they. They went for the six. I believe it was, you know.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

So now listen, Jordan told me he could play this game, y'. All, okay? Jordan told me he could play this game. But before we even get to that, it was a hand before that where Joe showed me he could play this game. Yes, okay. Joe showed me he could play this game. Now, the man went. We went blind just in the dark, a hot eight.

[Joe Hayden]

Blind.

[James Debo Harrison]

Blind eight. Man with blind eight. I said, oh, okay. Blind eight. Get out there. And Joe play his cards on the money. Now. My expectations done shot high. I said, joe know how to play this game, right? I'm right. I'm like, joe. Joe know how to play this game. Okay? We doing this right here, right? So as I was saying, we get to the hand where we could have. We could have said him, right?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, we could have said him. We could have said him. And Debo is exactly right. And this is where.

[James Debo Harrison]

Let me tell my story, Joe. I'm. Let you talk. Go ahead. I'm gonna let you talk, Joe. Okay?

[Joe Hayden]

Go ahead, Pop. You go ahead, finish. You do. You're doing right. You're saying exactly what's going on. You're doing a great job.

[James Debo Harrison]

So now, don't forget, you messed up a little before that. Before the. Before the last straw.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay?

[James Debo Harrison]

You know, what was that, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

What was that When I should have passed it back to you. You were doing.

[James Debo Harrison]

Now, listen to me on this one. Listen, listen, people, listen. Anybody that's a spade player out there, they know how to play this game, okay? I go trump. I shoot trump. Boom. Okay, I'm trump. Trump. He goes. I'm shooting like. I'm shooting like. I'm shooting like a. Like a. Like a. I think. I think it was an ace or something, right?

[Joe Hayden]

Dude?

[James Debo Harrison]

Hit with the little joker. Joe come on top with the big joker.

[Joe Hayden]

Boom, boom.

[James Debo Harrison]

And you know what he plays back a club. We the only two mother. We the only two with clubs. They get the cut book. They get their books because of that. Yeah, listen. See, I'm getting excited already.

[Joe Hayden]

All Joe had to do was go.

[James Debo Harrison]

Back with the trump. I was sitting over there waiting on it. We would have set them, and they get going, right? So that went through. I say, joe, man, come on, brother. You got to come back trump. You know? You just got to come back Trump, man. It's okay. You know what I'm saying? It's okay. You got to come back trump. Now, mind y' all while this is happening. Joe is carrying conversation. So I'm watching him be distracted, okay? And I didn't already seen that he could play the game, but now he got distraction. He.

[Joe Hayden]

He back and forth.

[James Debo Harrison]

You back him. I'm looking at him, but I'm. I ain't looking at him. I'm looking at him, but I ain't looking at him. Now we get to this hand we talking about, Joe goes, and he's playing his cards. Everything's going great. Joe ain't paying attention to the table.

[Joe Hayden]

By this time.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm gonna let you talk, Joe. Come on, Joe. Let me talk, baby. So Joe ain't paying no attention to the table, right? I'm sitting out there with a queen, diamonds. They done play. They done diamond here. I done came on top. They didn't hit here. The book is ours. Joe ain't paying no attention. By time I look at Joe, I see Joe done finally look back at the table. Joe don't know who played what. Joe cuts me, we lose the game, okay? I got upset, and I said, joe, come on, man. You can't do that. And Joe runs out of the. He just leaves. Joe just leaves, okay? Joe leaves. When Joe leave. We can't catch up with Joe. I'm trying to catch up With Joe. Now, look here. Now look here. Now look here.

[Joe Hayden]

Do you not say it exactly?

[James Debo Harrison]

Let me tell you how I saw it, okay?

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, you saw it.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay, so I'm trying to catch up with Joe. Joe walking fast. Joe all the way across the street, right? I'm at the door of the place that we are actually at, right? Joe, look up. He see the sprinter he got for us, right? He looks over at me like this, right? He across. Hey, the sprinter over here. Come on, we leave. Let's go. He's so mad, he done left his homeboy inside.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, I did, I did, I did, I did, I did.

[James Debo Harrison]

I say, Joe, what about your boy? He a grown man. He'll figure out how to get home, that's what.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, okay.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'll let you tell how. You see that.

[Joe Hayden]

But, Deebo, you gave about 95% of the story, correct? 95%. That's what I'm gonna give you. This is where you would give it wrong. Okay? I. I do love the fact that you're good at spades. You are actually really, really good. So I pride myself in being good at spades. So on the hand that I should have threw it back to you when you threw out that club, and when you threw out that spade, and I should have ran it back to you, and I threw out the club, and I knew that we lost right there. I was so upset with myself, and I knew you were pissed. You were so mad, and I was mad, and I was mad because you had every right to be mad at me, right? So at this point, right here, I'm apologizing. I'm like, deebo, I know it's me.

[James Debo Harrison]

Fuck.

[Joe Hayden]

And I'm mad because I'm like this. You're really good. You been playing so well. We came back, we hit him with an 8 blind, like, so now you know I can play. So now you got a little bit of right to be mad at me, too. So now I'm feeling terrible, all right? I'm feeling terrible because now I know we lost. Even on the next hand, when I wasn't paying attention and they was talking to me, by this point, I was like this. We lost. So then I kind of. That was. I was talking. I was blown. And now you were still getting a little bit madder. But I'm like this. I know he's pissed, but we're not gonna be able to win. And I threw out the card, and now you were furious, and we lost. So when you.

[James Debo Harrison]

I was not furious. Y' all just said Joe furious.

[Joe Hayden]

Listen, listen, listen. Debo. You. No, no, no, no. Be quiet, be quiet, be quiet, be quiet. You said. You let me.

[James Debo Harrison]

You.

[Joe Hayden]

You said Joe's part, and now it's my turn.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay?

[Joe Hayden]

Once I threw out that card and we lost, you said boom and hit the table strong as shit with both arms, and the drink fell off the table and landed on Buddy. Are you. Yes. You did not say that part. So I left.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't remember that part.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, Deebo out here mad. Hit the jump. So then I left. So when I started walking out. And now you like this. Joe's storming off. I'm like, yes, because now we look crazy. And you spiked the damn table and spilled the water and we lost. And I'm embarrassed, and I feel like this. I'm supposed to be. You're supposed to be mad at me. You have a right to be mad at me. Okay? So then I'm walking off.

[James Debo Harrison]

Do, do, do, do.

[Joe Hayden]

Storming off. I go outside and I look back and I see my dog. I'm not trying to leave you, but I know. I'm like, I knew you was ready to go. I'm like, all right, Dee Bo, the sprinters.

[James Debo Harrison]

I wasn't ready to go, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

I wanted to stay. Now it's 12. Now it's late. That was time to go now. But that was time to go. So that's how it went down. I felt terrible. You and my dog, you hit the gym. I'm like, just, let's get out of here. We lost. I got Deebo mad. He's mad at me. He has a right to be mad at me. I'm pissed.

[James Debo Harrison]

Get out of here.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, that's. How do you want to know? That's. That's how the end apart.

[James Debo Harrison]

You. You did everything right.

[Joe Hayden]

Except for the. Except for the. Except for the two hand jump when the water spilled. And I'm like, damn, now we lost. It's time to go.

[James Debo Harrison]

I ain't gonna even lie. I ain't even care. Because it's built on the person that was distracting you.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, it's built on the person.

[James Debo Harrison]

You're right.

[Joe Hayden]

You're right. You ain't give a damn about that. Devo, I love you. I love you. We got the spreader, bro. We talk.

[James Debo Harrison]

Don't do me. Come on.

[Joe Hayden]

Don't do me like that. Don't do me like that, bro. You my man's You, Devo. Don't do me like that, bro.

[James Debo Harrison]

I text you, though. What? I text you yesterday, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

You texted, bro. You texted me the sweetest text, bruh, of all time. I swear, I showed my wife. I was like, this. This, man Debo, is my real dog. Like, I love you. Oh, can I read it out? Can I read it, Debo?

[James Debo Harrison]

Go ahead, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Can I read? All right, but I don't know if I want to read. I want to tell you I'm sorry for going off on you on the card table, bro. I need to do better. It was no reason for me to act that way, no matter what happened. And I'm used to doing. Or hold on. And whatever happened and what I'm used to doing. And now I know I was wrong and it won't happen again. I love you and appreciate you, bro. Man time, Deebo. That joint hit me like a ton of bricks. Cause real talk, you my man. Like I said, I'm feeling like you my good man. And I appreciate that text. Thank you so much.

[James Debo Harrison]

No problem, man. I had to sit back, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You gotta listen. You know, I had to think about, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, yo, my man was really hurt. You know what I'm saying? You know, my man was really hurt. I need to go ahead and I gotta do better, you know what I'm saying? Like I said, I'm gonna say, man, I had a little time. It was Sunday. I was spending my time with the Lord. And he was like, hey, you need to apologize to that man. I said, all right. I got you, Debo. You.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm a good man.

[James Debo Harrison]

Because I.

[Joe Hayden]

That's all that. I read that. I'm like, look at this. Debo, my man. My man's. Yes. So weekend was great. Everything was fun. That was hilarious.

[James Debo Harrison]

My God, bro, we had a good time, bro. I swear, bro. I'm like, I ain't heard from Joe. I ain't heard from Show. I'm like, joe, where you at? He giving me short ones. Yeah, Fashion show.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm in a fashion show.

[James Debo Harrison]

That boy said fashion show.

[Joe Hayden]

I know you ain't pulling. I know you ain't trying to go to the fashion show.

[James Debo Harrison]

I know you ain't trying to go. Lol. He's still mad.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. Oh, Debo, stop, stop.

[James Debo Harrison]

Let's get into this game, bro. Man, Seattle went on up out here and put them things on them boys.

[Joe Hayden]

Like I told you.

[James Debo Harrison]

So this is. This is true, man. Listen, man, I gotta show. I gotta show some type of loyalty. They was there for me when. When times was bad, man. I was. I was sitting there. Christmas, man. I ain't had no Santa Claus, and they came and got me.

[Joe Hayden]

Came and got you?

[James Debo Harrison]

Yep.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

I gotta show some loyalty to him, but I gotta. I got. I gotta show something. Start this thing off, man. Listen, I'm gonna tell you right now. When Seattle got the ball on that first down, Walker took that thing 10 yards.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

I knew right then it was going to be a problem because New England's defenders play way too thick on the ends, dude. Like, when I. Well, for the people that understand, when I say thick, they're coming up two types on the outside. Blockers.

[Joe Hayden]

Too square.

[James Debo Harrison]

Too square. They don't have the power to push these dudes off and make the play, so they've given up the corner, dude. Like, it. Don't even it.

[Joe Hayden]

They need to get on the edge, brother. They need to be able to set better edges. They're doing too much head up and making them have to go here instead of being. Nah, I'm sorry. Arm free. You're not strong enough.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes. They ain't strong enough to go ahead, whammy, and get off.

[Joe Hayden]

Exactly.

[James Debo Harrison]

They ended up getting to, I think, second down and 10 in the Titan. The tight end was doing something, too. I think he got like 15 on that one. But, dude, if dude had a little better positioning on that, he could have got them hands up. That could have been a pick six, though, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

They was trying. He was throwing it into some windows quick. They was trying. They were sitting on stuff early in the game. Them DBs was trying. They was jumping. So that was a good placement of the ball. Sam Darnold was putting the ball. If you would have put that back shoulder, that would have been pit.

[Stugatz]

Oh.

[Joe Hayden]

If he.

[James Debo Harrison]

If he had put it anywhere close to out, where he had put was over with. It was over with, dude. Then Darnold hit Coop. What was it? Cut for what, 15? Yep. Hey. I don't know. I think I might have challenged that one, dude. It was kind of questionable.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, it was. It was. It was a little bobbly. It was a little.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, I might. I might have challenged that one. See, I end up stalling out after that, but it wasn't. It wasn't nothing really, that. That the Patriots did. They got field goal. What is it? 3 0?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, that was.

[James Debo Harrison]

Go ahead. The Pats get out there. I think it was. I think it was Stevenson. Stevenson. Henderson, right? Stevenson. He got three straight plays on that. I think it was a run for about five or six second down. I think it was like two and then he did a swing pass to him on third down. He broke a tackle. I thought he was. He could have got loose on that. Yeah, if he had shored up that tackle, that wouldn't have been no first down. They end up getting the first down. I think that was like maybe one of only like three first rounds they had in the whole first half.

[Joe Hayden]

Literally. I was about to say the same thing after that. After that they was. It was nothing from them. They couldn't really establish anything.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, it was. Dude, it was. It was ugly. Like the next play, I think they got about eight. I think they got about eight on that next play. Douglas. I think it was on that next one. And then second down, Stevenson picked up four for the first. That was a second. Second down. May get drugged down on the first down. I think he could have threw that away. But then again, after I was looking at it, I'm like, ah, maybe he was too close inside the. I just did. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't know what it was. That put him in like a second to 20. He scrambled for a hot 11. And then third down, they couldn't make it. They end up punting the rock back. Seattle goes three and out because they just. JSN just dropped the ball in the first down. Normally he catches that all day, though. Like the third down, Darnold shakes up out of a sack and just Mrs. JSN Long.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, that would have been a touchdown. Yes, Seattle. Seattle was missing like end of the day. Patriots defense played great. Seattle missed some opportunities too. So it could have been. They could have got blowed out.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, it could. Yeah. I ain't gonna lie. It could have been.

[Joe Hayden]

It could have been way worse.

[James Debo Harrison]

It could have been worse. But the pass got the ball back. First down, they hit booty for like 21. And I think it was. What was it like in Henderson? He was dropped for. What was it? Three on the first down. And then another two yards lost on the second down. And may get sacked on the third down. Dude, my goodness, bro. Defensive is out of control. Like, no, no, Seattle was out of control.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, Seattle for sure. And those first three quarters.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes, dude, the first Seattle get the ball back. I think they got to like a third and seven and it was that dude Barner again. Dude, he made the. He made. It was actually. What's his name? Used to play for Stillers.

[Joe Hayden]

Explain. Look at.

[James Debo Harrison]

Explain. Yeah, he made. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He met. He made him miss and picked up 12 for the first.

[Julian Edelman]

This is Julian Edelman from Games with names. Now let's get into the serious stuff. We're talking football food, specifically Daisy French onion dip.

[James Debo Harrison]

That is serious.

[Julian Edelman]

Gotta try these delicious new dips from Daisy. These are so delicious. They're like homemade dips made with real herb and spices and other ingredients you'll find in your kitchen. Also made with some Daisy sour cream. Daisy sour cream is a long standing staple for taco Tuesday.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know what I do when I get my street burrito? I get the squirt Daisy.

[Julian Edelman]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

And every bite. I know you.

[Joe Hayden]

I know you.

[Julian Edelman]

I'm a huge sour cream guy. I love sour cream pop. So I think burritos can't live without sour cream.

[James Debo Harrison]

I completely agree with that.

[Julian Edelman]

They also have daisy ranch dip. I love ranch dip.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's great.

[Julian Edelman]

I love it. With crackers, wings, plain potato chip, the ones with the little crinkles, maybe some bell peppers. So get out there and give Daisy French onion dip a try. You will not regret it.

[Stugatz]

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[Joe Hayden]

I love you guys show.

[James Debo Harrison]

It's one of my favorites.

[Stugatz]

A lot of interaction, guys not taking themselves too seriously. Those are just some of the things that you could expect from Stugouts Co. And Stewarts Co. Live. So listen to Stegots Co. Live and our original podcast. Please subscribe, rate and review Stugats Co. And God bless football. Taylor's livelihood depends on it. Do it today and you can check all of those out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Mind Games Host]

What if mind control is real?

[James Debo Harrison]

If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have?

[Mind Games Host]

Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car?

[Joe Hayden]

When you look at your car, you're gonna become overwhelmed with such good feelings.

[Mind Games Host]

Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?

[James Debo Harrison]

I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.

[Mind Games Host]

Can you get someone to join your cult?

[James Debo Harrison]

NLP was used on me to access my subconscious.

[Mind Games Host]

Nlp, AKA Neuro Linguistic programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain.

[James Debo Harrison]

It's about engineering consciousness.

[Mind Games Host]

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[Julian Edelman]

Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the On Purpose podcast. On a recent episode, I sat down with Nick Jonas, singer, songwriter, actor, and global superstar. The thing I would say to my younger self is, congratulations, you get to marry Priyanka Chopra Jonas. And also, you know, your daughter's incredible. That's beautiful, man. Yeah, thank you.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's so beautiful.

[Julian Edelman]

I can see that got you a little. Yeah, for sure. Our daughter, she came to the world under sort of very intense circumstances, which I've not really talked about ever. Growing up on Disney in front of millions, how did that shape your sense of self? I went blank. I hit a bad note. Then I couldn't kind of recover, and I built up this idea that music and being a musician was my whole identity. I had to sort of relearn who I was. You took this thing away. Who am I listen to? On purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[James Debo Harrison]

First down. I think they would lose, like 5 yards on that next play with that receiver. I don't even know why they would do that. The running back was doing something sick on that one. Arnold got pressured on the second down. Incompletion. He just had to get rid of the thing. Third down, nothing. They end up punting the ball back over there to. To the Pats. And then Seattle just said, nah, y', all, y', all, y'. All. Three and out, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Is that when he pinned them down the punt down to the one yard line. That's the special teams, too. The Seattle special teams was balling, defense, baller, offense, baller. They had a full blown. Like, every phase of. Every phase of their team was doing what they had to do.

[James Debo Harrison]

I think it was.

[Joe Hayden]

What was it?

[James Debo Harrison]

Like three and out. That was a three and out one that they went. And I think the second down play was to Henry. It could have. It could have been picked, though. Like. Like he was. Like he was sitting. He was sitting high on. They end up punting the ball anyway. Seattle get the ball back. First down. Gonzalez made a great play on that one, though.

[Joe Hayden]

Gonzalez, come on, bro. That's how you play the ball. He was looking at the ball, running the route with them. It was a big post. And that dude, Rasheed Tahit is hauling ass. So for him to be able to play that. Eyes on the ball. No. No touching the receiver. You know what I'm saying? Being able to jump, make the play on the ball. He made plenty of plays that game. They could. That's what I'm saying. If he wouldn't have balled out too. There was plays that they touchdowns and he prevented.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, if Darnold had threw it longer, though.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, if he would have. No, if he had threw that one on time. If he'd have thrown on time, that would have been a touchdown.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, for sure. But it didn't matter. The next play, Walker went 30 again. Edges like they. They playing too thick on the edges. The next second down, I think he went for 29. And then again the next play, though, I think he got like two yards. No, he lost two yards. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's when Darnold, he got pressured, hit the lineman in the back of the head. I was hoping. I ain't gonna lie. I was kind of.

[Joe Hayden]

You was hoping that was a turnover?

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, I was hoping that was like. Like a, you know, arm. It ain't get out. It just kind of. Kind of hopped up there.

[Joe Hayden]

He bulleted that ball right inside the back of his head. I'm like, he had full.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah. They end up dropping Walker for two yards. On the third down, they settle for a field goal. This six nothing. Pats, get back out there. Second down. May is sacked again, bro. The left side of that line was ass kicked all night, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

It was the left side, brother. And I'm not gonna lie to you. It was the vet. It was the right side. Right tackle Moses, too, he was getting that work. So it was left side. My man Campbell, the rookie and the guard. The rookie guard, but the right side, too. Moses, like, that whole offensive line was getting that work. Left side, rookies and the right tackle.

[James Debo Harrison]

They get so deep in third down, they can't make it up. They punt it back off. Seattle gets the ball. Walker again, nine yards off the edge. Cause they can't keep an edge on their defense for some reason. Second down. He picked up the two for the first down. First down, Darnold gets out of a sack. Dude, how many sacks did he get out of that night, dude? Whoa. A lot.

[Joe Hayden]

He did a great job. He did a great job. Just not being able to evade pressure and then not even getting a lot of yards. Dumping it off, throwing it away like Just not. No negativity.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, dude. That allowed him to stay at second and 10. He then hits cup for seven, followed by the third down where he shakes another sack and hits Walker for six. In the first down, dude. Again, Seattle stalls out. That's just it. They just stalled out. That wouldn't. They wouldn't stop. They just. They punt the ball back over to New. Listen, man, the defense in New England, they were tackling terrible all night. I don't understand. Like, I didn't see one person like get a. Like a. A short up. Just one on one. Pure helmet, face mask, head up, tackle, like all night, dude. No, they kick it. Dude, they kick it back over to the Pats and I think it was what? That's when they pinned him at the two, bro. They pinched him at school on that one.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah. Like, what was it? First down, Stevenson hit like hot little three. Second down, May. Dude, he was just off the mark, dude. Like, he was. He was kind of. He was kind of off the mark all night, but he made up spots here and there. The third and seven. He ended up hitting Douglas for nine. That. That got him a first down, false start. Yeah, like, you go and you get to the third and seven and dude false starts. You been. Dude, he. Listen, he's scared, man. He begin. He been getting whooped on all night.

[Joe Hayden]

He getting whooped all night. When you get whooped on like that.

[James Debo Harrison]

Bro, it turned early. That kicked you back to that. What was it? 3rd and 12 and dude, like, he go. He at least tried for one deep ball. It's just a little off, but they gotta punt the Rock again. I think it was first down. Was it. Was it Coop? Cup. It was Cup.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, that was Cup. Cooper Cup. Cooper.

[Joe Hayden]

Cooper.

[James Debo Harrison]

Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup. I think it was Sam. Immediately followed by your boy Walker for another Sam. They got to a second and nine. How do you say that dude's name? He shook like four tackles, bruh. To get seven of it. Like. Like I said, this boys was tackling terrible. He shook four tackles in like five. In. In. In like a two yard space, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like, how you. How you. How you have four people missing the two. That dude, that was out of control, dude. I think the next play he ended up picking up the first down. They had to back to him. Donald again. Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup. Second down, cup dropped it. But I kind of think that might have been a good thing. They ain't had no timeouts left. Who knows?

[Joe Hayden]

But Gonzalez.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes, they Go for it on the third.

[Joe Hayden]

A little bit behind, like you said. A little bit behind.

[James Debo Harrison]

You gotta realize he. He was looking at. It was a safety over here too. So he had. He was trying to. He was trying to just. Just boom it in there, and he really couldn't. But, dude, that should have been a pick. He got both hands on that thing, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, like, but you know, Jackson Smith and put a little hand in there, you know, it's a DB diving across, trying to get it. That's a.

[James Debo Harrison]

You.

[Joe Hayden]

You think he got to pick that? But I'm saying, that's a great man.

[James Debo Harrison]

What? No hand on that, man.

[Joe Hayden]

That's a. That's a. That's a bang. Eight in a single high. That's man to man. You making that play and being able to get your body into. In that position. Like, we just pass breakup is max for sure. Him being able to get there is unbelievable.

[James Debo Harrison]

Who. He gets that. They don't go up. They don't go up. Nine zero. It's six.

[Joe Hayden]

I understand what you're saying. Their defense, though, has been. Been. But they're not giving up no points. They're not giving up any touchdowns. They've been able to march it down like all that. But see, it's. The Patriots are put in their team. They're still down. Well, one. Well, two. Now it's to be two scores that they make this field goal, but it's 6, 0. So he stopped the. He stopped. He. He stopped four points.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, it didn't, man. It's 9 0. Now, this is right before the half, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

I know, but that's. What if the score is already 60 when he dropped the pick?

[James Debo Harrison]

I mean, it's 6. 60 is better than 9 0. Especially after, you know, it came. They kneeled the end of first half and then the halftime. I. I ain't gonna lie. I don't. I. I don't know. I just. It was a half time, so I don't know. I ain't gonna lie. I ain't know what was going on, bro. I just. I. I guess it was cool. I don't know what you think, what I think.

[Joe Hayden]

I see. So to each his own, you know what I'm saying? The same way with Kendrick Lamar. I might have liked that more, you know what I'm saying? I don't listen to music that I don't know the words to, and I don't speak Spanish. So like, when then. At the same time when I look back at it and like, you look and see what he did and what all of the scenes were, how he putting up for his heritage. Thousand percent respect, all of it. But for me, when I'm watching it, I didn't know, you know what I'm saying, what was going on. I didn't know what he was saying. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, so I didn't know none of the songs. So for me, like, when I get to look back and see what's going on for all of the Spanish, all the Latinos, what he was doing for Puerto Rico. Respect, for sure. Love it. But as far as. For me, like, I just didn't know what was going on. So when I go look back and read on, like, who the people were in the scenes, the why he did the wedding, why he.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, you got it. Like, it's crazy, man. You got to decipher halftime shows. Not last, brother. I know Kendrick Lamar music, but I ain't understand none of the other stuff, man. You missing this. You missing. I'm like, dude, I'm just. Bro, can I. Can I just see a halftime show? This is entertainment. And. And you got a little something for everybody. Like, Netflix did it. Like.

[Joe Hayden]

Like.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like, I know the opera singer, but I'm like, damn, he can say he could sing. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

I feel you. I feel you.

[James Debo Harrison]

Like, whoa, that was a dad and son or something, right? Them boys was blowing like. I can hear it right now. That's crazy, bro. I don't even know the words to it, but I'm like, that. Damn, that boy got. That boy can sock.

[Joe Hayden]

No. For sure. For sure.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know what I'm saying, Man, look here, second half. Pat's come out in the second half, bro. First down. First down, man. Complete second down. Henderson picked up a nice little seven yard, and then the DD made a great play on that third down.

[Joe Hayden]

The boys out there falling.

[James Debo Harrison]

They gotta punt the rock over. Listen, man, the game's still close. See, it could be six. It could be six nothing. But it's nine nothing, you know, if we got. You see what I'm saying? We, we, we. If we got that playback, we might have had a chance doing something, y'. All. But it wasn't. But it wasn't.

[Joe Hayden]

Y' all wasn't doing nothing.

[James Debo Harrison]

Who? Hey, man, they wasn't doing that. I keep saying we. I'm trying to. What you call that. What's that word I'm looking for? Come on, Joe, give me.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't know. I'm looking for the word. I. I can't Find it.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm trying to relate.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James Debo Harrison]

You trying to relate to him? Okay. Something like that. Whatever it is, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. I'm relating. You relate with the. With the Patriots?

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, I'm trying to. I'm trying because I just.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't.

[James Debo Harrison]

You know, I don't know. I just. I'm glad. I ain't gonna lie to you. Little. Little. Little part inside of me was like, yo, I don't really want him to win it because they would have got seven, and then that would have been more than us.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying.

[James Debo Harrison]

But listen, I wasn't tripping on going over there and helping them get seven. I ain't gonna lie.

[Joe Hayden]

If it's. If it's with you. If it's with you adding to your.

[James Debo Harrison]

Finger, if I'm involved. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

I can respect that. Yes, yes, yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

He for 16, boy. Then it was JSN immediately following that for another 16. Yeah. Followed by Darnold and went laughing on him right there, dude. First down, 10. They just gave a little hand off to your boy Walker. He got a little hot. Three, dude. And then Darnold hits Walker, and then he takes it. They. They gave him that old misdirection.

[Joe Hayden]

Misdirection screen get missing. Buddy tried to grab his arm. Get off my arm. I'm getting out of here.

[James Debo Harrison]

He went twanky on him. But you know what? They got a defense, too. Plus, Seattle basically start out again. They settle for a field goal. It's 12 nothing. Okay, okay.

[Joe Hayden]

Now that's what I'm saying. That's why I can't. I cannot fault the Patriots defense at all. 12.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, no, no, no, no. I'm not putting none of this on the Patriots defense. No, no, no. Now it's 12 nothing. Did you watch dude return that kick?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Did you see 48 get ran through? Through? Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

He would.

[James Debo Harrison]

He was out, bro. I don't know how they did.

[Joe Hayden]

He was.

[James Debo Harrison]

He should have been in protocol, Debo.

[Joe Hayden]

He was out. He's tried to. He leaned in on that, and I'm like this. Oh, my God. He put himself to sleep.

[James Debo Harrison]

He put his office got ran through through and then tried to play it off like he was upset. He missed. No, you was down. Like it worked. Cause they didn't put him in the protocol. They ain't put him in protocol.

[Joe Hayden]

But that, man, he was definitely. They needed. They needed to definitely pull and get him out. Get him out.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, he night night. He night night. He's night night. Henderson first down, he hit about, what, nine? Then immediately. No gain. On second down, I think it's third and one, and May just. Just threw the ball into the ground, bro. It's wide open, dude. Choose now to do this. It's beyond me.

[Joe Hayden]

It was the playoffs. He ain't been looking too good the whole playoffs. The Houston, he made a couple of passes, but got a lot of. We'll get into it. But yeah, he's been the playoffs. It wasn't the best. And it's.

[James Debo Harrison]

They punch the ball, man. I'll let you get into it later because I know you want to talk greasy about it.

[Joe Hayden]

I do.

[James Debo Harrison]

I know you do.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm not even too crazy.

[James Debo Harrison]

But Seattle, get back out there. First down. Finally sack this man after he done shook about three, four of them off. Goodness, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

They get a three and out.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, they get. They. They. They get a three and out. They. Hey, hey. I ain't gonna say they forc the three and out because they kind of forc the three and out, but, you know, they punt the ball. All right, Pass. Get a nice return call back. You can't.

[Joe Hayden]

You. This is when you. You're shooting yourself in the foot. How you going? You can't get no first downs. You can't get a drive going. And now you blocking in the back. When you actually get something going on.

[James Debo Harrison]

Special teams, you blocking in the black and black, black the braces. You blocking in the back and blocking your blessings.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, immediately.

[James Debo Harrison]

First down, you get sacked with the chip block.

[Joe Hayden]

They helping you out with the chip. Still getting sacked. Full man rush.

[James Debo Harrison]

Bro. I think. I think he hit Hollis on the second down for like. What was it, maybe eight or nine yards or something like that. And then it's incomplete.

[Joe Hayden]

Incomplete slant ball. It's a little, like. It's a little far. He had to listen.

[James Debo Harrison]

I know it's a little far, but at the same time, dude, he gotta catch it. But he's leading him in there where this linebacker is sitting.

[Joe Hayden]

It's noisy.

[James Debo Harrison]

He's trying to. But he's trying to kind of slow it down. Like, if he had let him. If he had went for it and went for it for it, I think he would have been up out of there, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

He'd have been pro. So you saying that if he would have went for it, he's. He's trying to settle down and he's.

[James Debo Harrison]

Thinking because he feel dude behind him, he trying to settle down and body it, but then he got to reach out for it.

[Joe Hayden]

So Drake may need to throw that Thing. Low.

[James Debo Harrison]

Low.

[Joe Hayden]

He just need to throw it low.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, put it a little lower. Maybe a little closer to him, you know, Slow it down a little. Try and anticipate it. I don't know, man. He just didn't. I'm. I'm. I'm just a little disappointed. He didn't. He didn't. He didn't play well, man. They got to punt the ball back over to Seattle. And finally, finally, they force a real three and out. Yeah, they dropped Walker on the first down for like, two. And again. Nice flavor. Your boy Gonzalez on the second down and a breakup.

[Joe Hayden]

That man is balling.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Yeah. And then they just tackle the catch on third down. They punt the Rock back over pass, get the ball back, right. Second to seven. Mace scrambles for five. But y' all over there holding. That's probably what y' all was doing all night.

[Joe Hayden]

It's just.

[James Debo Harrison]

They just wasn't catching it. That's what y' all was doing. Y' all was holding all night. Automatically down. You. Y' all Seattle.

[Julian Edelman]

No.

[James Debo Harrison]

All night. You bugging automatic first down on that. And then we get to third and six, and May is sacked, fumbled. They recover at the New England 39.

[Joe Hayden]

Right tackle. That's Moses, DeMarcus Lawrence. They're just over there working them dudes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Everybody getting whooped on, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Everybody getting whooped on.

[James Debo Harrison]

This is spreading like that. Spread like Kovid.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[James Debo Harrison]

Everybody. Everybody getting whipped on, man. First down, Dude Barner again. What was it, 11? And then they got to. What was it, about third and 10? No, 39.

[Joe Hayden]

39.

[James Debo Harrison]

He ended up picking up Dude Cooper cup.

[Joe Hayden]

Nice little setup. Right on time. Let me get behind the traffic. Let me run the out route right at the sticks.

[James Debo Harrison]

Oh, man. And this is why you don't let people run on. You successfully get play action.

[Joe Hayden]

And your linebackers are coming down full speed, hard.

[James Debo Harrison]

Barner just slides past. He is wide open for the touchdown. Like, for me right there, it was 19 0. Like, I felt like the game was over right there.

[Joe Hayden]

A thousand percent.

[James Debo Harrison]

I ain't gonna lie to you, bro. But the past said, Listen, man, we go. We gotta put up a fight of some sort. First down, May said he can scramble. I must scramble. He go ahead and scramble. And then he hit silence for Twinkie folk in traffic. Traffic.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, that was traffic.

[James Debo Harrison]

Traffic. It made me scared when I saw it. I ain't gonna lie. Cause I seen too many other jerseys around, and I just. I just didn't.

[Joe Hayden]

It was noisy in there.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, it was. It was. It was noisy in There and again the next play, he puts it on the money. He gave me hope. 35 yard touchdown. Nice throw. Nice catch. Is now 19 to. I'm thinking it's going to be a game. And then first down, Seattle gets the ball back and he hits Shahid for 11. And I'm like, nope, I don't think they gonna be able to stop him. And immediately they stop Walker for a loss of one. Then they pressure your boy. And then the deep ball is just a little long. On the third down, they gotta punt the ball back over to the Pagers.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Now you getting excited.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't know what the hell this returner was thinking. Catch the ball at the 20. Catch the ball right there, son. Catch the ball. It's not. It's not hard. Now the ball done bounce all the way back to the four. And then Joe, when it bounced back to the four, he runs up to get it and then he stops. Get the ball. They touched it. You can't lose.

[Joe Hayden]

You can't lose.

[James Debo Harrison]

Something happen. They already touched it. Even if you fumble, you still get the ball where they touched it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes, yes. Like what.

[James Debo Harrison]

What's going on anyway, man?

[Joe Hayden]

Anyway, the ball dropped all the way back there.

[James Debo Harrison]

First down from the four. And then your boy, after he did what he did, he misses this. Dude, that is so wide open. How I could have caught. I could have. I could have threw that, bro. How do you miss that one?

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, that's what I'm. That's not. Ah, Drake made.

[James Debo Harrison]

You gotta make second. Ah, second down. I think it was Stevenson. He ended up picking up 13 on a little screen pass. Cause they blitzed him next play. I think May just tossed that thing up in the air. What the.

[Joe Hayden]

What was that?

[James Debo Harrison]

Hail Mary in the. In the middle of a lollipop.

[Joe Hayden]

And it's just so lucky that Jones, it just should have been picked, dude, like a punt.

[James Debo Harrison]

And then scrambled for 16 on the next play. I'm like, what. What's going on with him?

[Joe Hayden]

He's like, okay, that's good. Bad, right?

[James Debo Harrison]

And then he. I think it was Williams for. And then second down. I don't know. I don't know.

[Julian Edelman]

Terrible ball.

[James Debo Harrison]

This is the problem. When you see it like, like when you see it looking at him when they show the replay, he's actually looking out where the dude is going. But he throws the ball here.

[Joe Hayden]

He throws the ball here. He needs to throw it out to the. Like to the. At least like towards the sideline. His man's running the over route and he just Threw it like he's running a situation. Like he's like, he's just stopping right there.

[James Debo Harrison]

Dude, I can see. I can actually see him looking like this. And when he releases the ball, it goes here. I'm like, what in the flippity flap is he looking for, bro? He threw it straight to them. Dude. Dude. I think he ended up returning it to what, like the 35 of New England Seattle. Get the ball back. First down, Walker again. 14. These soft edges. The next play is 10.

[Joe Hayden]

Then he won that. That's when he ran that one.

[James Debo Harrison]

Real talk. Real talk. I'm sitting there and I'm watching with my son. He said it. Thinking. In my head, I'm thinking. I'm thinking like, that's El Bell right there. My son said it out loud. He said it too. And then the commentator and the commentator said it.

[Joe Hayden]

Every time he was saying the same thing, we was like this. That's Le'Veon Bell.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, fuck.

[Joe Hayden]

You see him just do the Le'Veon Bell?

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Is the Le'Veon Bell. So like he did it.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah. They able to. They able to hold him, you know, to a field goal, but it's still this 22 to 7. Now I think the. The Patriots get the ball back with like a little under six minutes left. Was it first down and 10 at the 44? I thought it was sack, fumble, but he got the ball out. So if it hadn't got caught and it hit the ground, would have just been an incompletion. But that didn't happen.

[Joe Hayden]

That man did you. That was the most athletic catch. How fast that ball was coming and how close quarters he was to be able to just, you know what I'm saying, be able to catch the ball and then take it to the crib. That's athlete all day.

[James Debo Harrison]

45 touchdown, return to the house. It is now what, 29 to 7, 29 eventually score. What? It was one touchdown with like, yes. Whatever it was. Go for a two point conversion. 29, 13. That's where the game and all the other stuff that they did leading up to that, it was just. It was.

[Joe Hayden]

That was the most garbage yards. Crazy.

[James Debo Harrison]

It was. Yeah, it was. It was. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

235 in the fourth. Yeah.

[James Debo Harrison]

Why did they do that in the first three?

[Joe Hayden]

Because they. Because the Seahawks was playing that dumb. That dumb. Prevent back up, give you some yards, let you check it down. Let's waste out the clock instead of just still murdering you. You're not gonna be able to get it. You're not better Than us. We're going to keep continue to play, man, and we're going to continue to not let you run the ball.

[James Debo Harrison]

Joe. Yes. What you. I know you want to get this off your chest, man. What you did, how you think, how you think your.

[Joe Hayden]

Your Seahawks did against the Seattle Seahawks did exactly what they were supposed to do. Sam Darnold, too, he didn't even play the best game that I've. That he played in the playoffs at all. He did. He did. He did. He did exactly what?

[James Debo Harrison]

He didn't turn it over.

[Joe Hayden]

Didn't turn the ball.

[James Debo Harrison]

No, no.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying. Let me go here. He didn't turn the ball over. He didn't turn the ball over. He didn't. He hasn't turned the ball over the whole playoffs. The Seattle Seahawks haven't turned the ball over 0 times this entire playoffs. They executed to perfection. My man Walker III hooped this entire playoffs. Sam Darnold hooped this entire playoffs. Their defense hooped this entire playoffs. Their special teams hooped this entire playoffs. I would just want to say that shout out to coaches, their coaching staff, Mike McDonald, Clint Kubiak, they OC for being able to still know it's a team game. Not. Sam Bradford is not the most. I mean, I mean, Sam Darnold isn't the most special player, but if you put him in a spot where you have a team around you, you got a good running game, you have a solid offensive line. Jackson, Smith and Jigba didn't even really play this game. You know what I'm saying? He had 28 yards and they still were able to go out there and score 29 points. Their defense balled out. That was a unbelievable zero points in the first three quarters. My man Drake May had 60 yards passing in the first three quarters of that game. He scored two touchdowns and 235 yards in the trash time. That's a lot of trash yards. But, like, that's the most I ever seen. So, like that. That's crazy. So it makes him look like, oh, he threw for 295. No, he didn't. He threw for 60 yards.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

So Seahawks, them dudes was out that joint balling. Their whole team deserves it. Now, on the Patriots side, the defense, y' all played well. Y' all did. Y' all did good. Y' all did really well. This whole season, y' all been doing well. But I will say in the playoffs, your offense turned to. Turned really, really bad. Drake May, it didn't look as good. You leaned on your defense when you played against the Chargers. And I'll say this too, it's not all Drake May. It's that offensive line. He was sacked 21 times this playoffs. That's the most in, in history. Five, five, five, six. Like that's crazy work. So that is the offensive line.

[James Debo Harrison]

The left tackle, the left tackle, your.

[Joe Hayden]

Right guard and your, your left tackle, your left guard and your right tackle were getting murdered the whole time. Campbell was getting abused. You could have lost to Houston like. And then if you're getting sacked, some of those sacks are definitely on them, but, but you're getting strip sacked. You got strip sacked seven times out of that 21 and you lost four of the fumbles. And then in some of those other games, like versus Houston, you could have lost the sack at the one yard line and that game could have been totally different. You, you running the ball versus Houston and they punched the joint out. You almost fumbled, you fumbled it again right before halftime. Like you were looking crazy out there during the playoffs, just turning the ball over. You weren't getting blocked for at the same time, but your defense was balling left. Held you into those games a lot of the times. And when it didn't, when they weren't, then you, you, you didn't look that good. So I would say offensive line, they need to protect you. You need some more weapons on the, off on the offensive side of the ball. But it starts off with that line. You're standing up there getting hit upside the head the whole time. That looked crazy. Protect the Rock getting strip sacked. But new Seattle, full team effort. Y' all went out there and dominated them. It could have looked way, way worse. Now I say Sam Donald didn't play his best, best game. Missed the tight end on the wide open one miss. Jackson Smith on one. So like threw it behind, threw it behind a little bit. So it could have been uglier, but it just shows that Seahawks were a full blown team. He did not turn the ball over. He did what he had to do and they just went out that joint and whooped him.

[James Debo Harrison]

What you want me to say?

[Joe Hayden]

Well, yeah, I just want you to say, Joe, I totally agree with everything you said. That's actually what I would have said.

[James Debo Harrison]

You're right. I totally agree with everything that you say, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

That's exactly what I would say.

[James Debo Harrison]

The thing I would add is I don't necessarily think that they need to go and get some other offensive linemen. I think they got a young offensive line that maybe they just need some time you know, you rookie, you got rookies in there, you got two rookies over there. They need time to realize what they need to do to increase their ability to be able to play better at their craft. Like get your ass in the weight room because it don't look like, it don't look like you able to, to, to be able to, to stop someone like now, that easy schedule they had all year, it then came to bite you. Now you're playing against the top tier defenses as you go through there. And like you said. How many sacks was it, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

21.

[James Debo Harrison]

21 sacks. You playing against D lines that are capable of, of doing what they need to do. Now you're pent up against that, that stiffer competition in the NFL and not, you know, having that subdued schedule. That was, I mean, that's not y' all fault, but, you know, but I think if you give them, you know, you give them a little more, A little more time like this right here is gonna be something that's gonna help them to be like, you know what? I don't want to end my season like I did last year. I don't want to have my postseason look like it did last year. So I think they go, take the time, be true professionals, get into their craft, do some self study, realize what it is that you don't do well and get better at what it is that you don't do well and continue to get better at what it is that you do well. Your coach is Mike Vrabel. I'm pretty sure he's going to sit down there and they're going to self evaluate and evaluate their players the same way they evaluate other teams and like, hey, this is what you need to do. This is what we need to do to get better as a unit. You get better, we get better, and so on and so forth. But that's. Dude, that's two rookies over there. I mean, come on now. And they went to the Super Bowl. Give them time. Give them time, man. Give them time. Give them time. Hey, it's like novocaine, baby. Hey, it's only the second year. Just. Hey, yeah, his first year, man. Listen, man, give him time. I'm trying to tell you. I still don't want him to win it unless I'm over there with him coaching. But I still. Because I, I want to keep, I want to keep anybody else winning that's got five or less.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm gonna tell you this. If I'm looking at the Patriots team and I see what I see and if you're a rookie, I hear you offseason, you got to get better. But I'm still bringing. If you talk about a need at the team is definitely the offensive line and we need to be able to get some more guys on the outside that can make plays.

[James Debo Harrison]

Dude, you just drafted him in what, the first, second round.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't give a damn if he's out that joint looking cheese. I'm not going to keep giving him like you going to keep getting my quarterback hit upside the head like you are the reason why. So we can maybe move him in. Can you not be tackled? Maybe you could be work better at guard. Maybe that guard maybe need to move in the center, like move him around or something, see what's up.

[James Debo Harrison]

Because how you go put him at guard and he can't hold the edge of tackle, bro, I, I would. Look, that's crazy.

[Joe Hayden]

Look, this is all I'm telling you. He didn't look good at tackle. So you can go ahead and bring him back over there and get your quarterback sacked 21 times. Like, that's what I'm saying. I mean, if you gonna see somebody.

[James Debo Harrison]

Know what did he do in the season, you got to go and look at all that man like us. Like I said, man, get it, get it, get a man time. No question. You should always trying to do better and get someone to push your guys. I'm a firm believer in, hey, man, if I got somebody behind you that you worried about or that has the talent I know that you should be worried about, it should increase your will and desire to actually continue to be better and do better. The people that ain't got nobody behind them are the people that are more likely to not be that. And then when it comes down to it, if you ain't got nobody behind you when the time comes to have you replaced, but he's a young dude, then you handicap yourself as a coach. Listen, dude, Ray will brought in 30 new players when he got there, bro. I'm not worried about what they go do as far as what they, you know, getting players in positions that they need to get better. He's going to do that, okay? He did that and went straight to the Super Bowl.

[Joe Hayden]

No, but I, I feel you a thousand percent.

[James Debo Harrison]

But I understand they play. I don't understand. They play like trash, though. You ain't got, you ain't got to jump on that neck, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I mean?

[James Debo Harrison]

Understand. I understand Drake. Drake played like trash, man. Listen, man, I'm trying to tell you right now, the Best way to have motivation is to get your ass embarrassed in front of the whole world and have replayed for the rest of the off season.

[Joe Hayden]

And this is what don't motivate you.

[James Debo Harrison]

I don't know what will, brother.

[Joe Hayden]

And you know, and you know this is what it is too. I'm not trying to pick on people. If you do good, you do good. If you look at the tape, you can see like you say he needs a baby. Probably get in the weight room. If you're getting drive back in the way Witherspoon is moving like obviously you're going to lose in space with certain like DB sometimes. But these are plays on tape.

[James Debo Harrison]

That ain't something you supposed to lose in space with, man. You supposed to.

[Joe Hayden]

Well, there you go. Ragdoll him. That's what I'm saying. Debo. If you seeing that and that's, that's, that's just plays that are happening on the tape. They got to do better like that. That can't you stand. If they. They like you said they bro, the.

[James Debo Harrison]

Way them boys are playing out there, I could have went out there and got me three.

[Joe Hayden]

That's with no training so fresh that, that, that's. Get him out. Get him out of there. I don't give a damn. He's a first round pick if he's a rookie. We need to go undrafted free agent.

[James Debo Harrison]

Could play something in there to challenge him. I agree with that.

[Joe Hayden]

Get his ass out of there, man. That's not good.

[James Debo Harrison]

You gotta put something in there to challenge him. Like you gotta get. It's open at the, at the beginning of every year. It's open competition.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. We don't know who this. We have no, no starting.

[James Debo Harrison]

We have no starting lineup right now, man.

[Joe Hayden]

For sure.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying.

[James Debo Harrison]

Kenneth Walker, the third mvp.

[Joe Hayden]

This.

[James Debo Harrison]

You like it?

[Joe Hayden]

I love it.

[James Debo Harrison]

What about the defense?

[Joe Hayden]

My man. My man Witherspoon. I could see how they could see if he could did it. I would have loved if Witherspoon would have strip sacked it and scoop and scored it. You know what I'm saying? Then I could have maybe see how he, how he could have been the defense mvp. But I respect how they gave it.

[James Debo Harrison]

They saying like the whole defense, the whole defense.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, okay. Just give it to the whole defense, everybody. Respectfully. I could, I, I could see that. I could see that. I could definitely see that.

[James Debo Harrison]

Well, you know what?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm just glad they didn't give it. I'm Just glad that they gave it to Kenneth Walker instead of giving it to Sam Darnold. Because I would have been like, come on, man, like that's just. Quarterback is going to get it every single time.

[James Debo Harrison]

You want to know what I think, Joe? Because you know me, I like to like it. I like to get spit started. You know me.

[Joe Hayden]

What you like?

[James Debo Harrison]

It's what I think, Joe. And Tim McGlass though, damn light bright, Joe. I don't got too used to this dude. That right? Listen, Joe. Yes, I am all good with them giving Kenneth Walker III the MVP. The man had 27 carries, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

135 yards. That's five yards to Joe. On top of that he had another 26 yards receiving. Okay?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James Debo Harrison]

That man had 161 of a total of 335 yards of offense. He alone was responsible for. Yes, that is well deserving. Now here's the reason why I don't care that you didn't give it to the defense. Because the defense played three quarters. Now I would totally be a little upset if they didn't give it to the defense. If they came out there and they did that for four quarters and they didn't give it to the defense. Now with that being said, another reason I think they wouldn't give it to the whole defense is the NFL would then have to make up what about 15, 17 MVP trophies because I mean, we go, do we go, we go, everybody go share it. A certain day here, a certain day there. You know them boys, they trying to save money at every corner. They can't, man.

[Joe Hayden]

That's why.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm just saying, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

That's why I think deo, I ain't gonna lie to you, I think you're exactly correct. But if they would have played all four quarters and they would have had them dudes to zero points, defense should have been the MVP. It was that 294 points, 235 yards and two touchdowns in the fourth quarter.

[James Debo Harrison]

What? He had 60. He has 60 yards and three quarters.

[Joe Hayden]

Yards through three quarters, brother.

[James Debo Harrison]

And he ended with 80 yards at the end of the game. Zero points. If you do not give it to the defense. We know why you didn't. You didn't want to make up all the mother trophies. That's. And how we gonna have Super Bowl 60, MVP summer dime, blah blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah blah. You know how much they got to pay when they bring that MVP class.

[Joe Hayden]

Back, man, they gotta get right, bro. I hope they're not doing. They bet they got so much money Bro, if the defense do it, they better take that, that give it to the dude.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm just like, like, you know what I'm saying? Like if you do that, you gotta, you gotta do something, brother. You gotta do something, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm glad, I'm just glad Kenneth Walker got it instead of.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey listen, I'll tell you right now, you know Wally Pippa is. But she's always tell us about Wally Pitt. You know, Wally Pip was, is. Look it up. The history of, of, of Wally Pitt.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what was saying.

[James Debo Harrison]

It was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Basically. So it has to do with I think it was like baseball or something in the head. Basically a guy ended up getting hurt or making like he was hurt. And the person that ended up coming in place for him was. It was a famous baseball player too.

[Joe Hayden]

It's Chad.

[James Debo Harrison]

I know y' all know who it is. Who is it? Bring the light. I can't, I can't think of the name, but somebody go say it in the chat. But it ended up being that him not playing that game or not being able to play that game ended up being like the start of a historic career for this baseball player. Right. I think your boy Sharpenade might have just got Wally Pitt by Kenneth Walker the third.

[Joe Hayden]

Because you this, this, this was happening. I'm not gonna lie because they. During the season everybody was like, oh no, it's a two headed monster. Kenneth Walker, it was Lou Garrett quarterback. And every time they get close to the end zone, they take him out and they put in. And they put in Charbonnet. So I think it was just Walker was able to now finally show his true skills. I think he was able to do it. The who it's not bad that you got another dude that can go. But since he's out now, it's just to be able to show his true everything. And they had to go with him.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, what you know you're gonna have to start looking at contract situations and all that other stuff like that. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Can the Walker free agent.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, sir.

[James Debo Harrison]

Somebody gonna need. Hey, would you. Y' all want me to come over here for, for backup pay? Y' all just seen what I did. Every. The whole world just seen what I did.

[Joe Hayden]

He coming for that dough.

[James Debo Harrison]

I, I need. I already got my Super Bowl. I didn't, I didn't accomplish the, the goal of the game already. Now it's time to get paid.

[Joe Hayden]

Time to get paid.

[James Debo Harrison]

It's time to get paid. Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

No, that's, that's a fact. He deserved it, too, man. Go get that bag. I'm never gonna get that bag.

[James Debo Harrison]

Go get that bag, my brother.

[Joe Hayden]

You deserve it, brother. You put the team on your back during the playoffs. Literally, brother. I'm telling you. 49ers, 19 carries, 116, three touchdowns. Rams, 19 carries, 62 yards. Touchdown. He had 49 receiving yards. Then the Patriots, 27 carries, 135. And then with his, like, what do you say? 27 and 29 receiving yards. So team on his back all through the playoffs.

[James Debo Harrison]

Congratulations to the Seattle Seahawks, super bowl champions, Super Bowl 60.

[Joe Hayden]

He gonna get.

[James Debo Harrison]

Congratulations.

[Joe Hayden]

Go to the team with the most bag, Kenneth Walker. Go to the team with the most bad.

[James Debo Harrison]

Get your bag, kid.

[Joe Hayden]

You got your Super Bowl. Now go get your bag and go help your team out, too. Still. Still go tote. Still go tote. Still go tote. Cause that's what you do. Listen, go get your bag and tote.

[James Debo Harrison]

And let them know you show me the money. Tell them show me the money. What year is he in, though, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

I. I'm. I think he's on his last year.

[James Debo Harrison]

What is the year? 3, 4. Which one is it, though? Because, you know, there's some. Some things that go on with that. Is. Is it. Is it.

[Joe Hayden]

They're gonna try to attack year two.

[James Debo Harrison]

Is it year three of a finished deal, you know, because they got things called exclusive rights. Yeah. You know, if.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, I'm gonna get into my.

[James Debo Harrison]

Contract bag, you know what I'm saying? I couldn't talk to nobody but them, you know, if you ain't got three years or more. Mine was, like, at 2, but I was exclusive rights. I couldn't talk to nobody but them, so I had to basically take whatever it was they was gonna give me.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. Notice. So, look, unrestricted. Free agent.

[James Debo Harrison]

Unrestricted.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, free agent 26.

[James Debo Harrison]

Go get that money, baby.

[Joe Hayden]

Go get that bag, bro.

[James Debo Harrison]

Go get that bag, Joe. We want to thank everyone out there for joining us on this episode in Debo and Joe, make sure you guys, like, subscribe and download where you get your podcast. We will be back here tomorrow morning.

[Joe Hayden]

Joe, make sure you, like, subscribe, and we will be back here tomorrow to holla at you.

[James Debo Harrison]

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