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Deebo & Joe - Thursday Night Football REACTION: Bo Nix & Broncos defeat Geno Smith & Raiders
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Welcome back to Debo and Joe. I'm your host James Debo Harrison and I'm here with my co host Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like and subscribe. Hit. You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today, Joe?
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Doing lovely, brother Deebo. Lovely. Always good to be here with you my brother. Talk this good football.
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Always, always. Listen man, we gonna go ahead get straight into it. The Broncos went on here and beat the Raiders.
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Yes.
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And yeah, the Broncos beat the Raiders. But I really felt like it was like, you know, it was just too offense like yo, I don't wanna win. You wanna win? Yeah, I don't want to win either. You want to win?
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Yeah. You can have it.
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I don't want. That's what I felt like.
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That's what it looked like.
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I understood why the, you know the Raiders couldn't score. Denver's defense is good and they offense is trash and you know Vegas's defense is mid and I guess the Broncos offense is mid so they kind of like just cancel Each other out, you know.
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Yeah, that's what it looked like.
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You know, Raiders get out there on the first drive and they, you know, they move the ball and they get, I think was a false start on like the second down, then get sacked on the third down and the punter comes out there, dude. And nails a fire punt. Dude angles it out at the two yard line, bruh. Like talking about possessions making him have to go the long way. Yeah, that's wild.
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That was a perfect punt.
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You can't get no better than. Actually, I take that back. He did get better than that later, but I will get to that.
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Yeah.
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Denver get out there. They. They busted three and out. They don't. They don't. They don't do nothing. They don't piss a drop. And then Nate punter goes and shanks the ball. Dude, he give him the ball. I think it was at the Denver 41 or something like that, bro. Raiders get out there, somehow they're able to capitalize on it. They complete a third and 10, and I think the next third down, dude ran it in for a touchdown. They up seven. Yeah, they up seven and nothing. I'm like, okay, cool. Maybe they, you know, maybe they gonna be able to put up some points.
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Short field. They was able to get it because it's a short field. That's.
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Yeah, yeah, they was able to get it. Capitalized with the short field. Denver get back out there and dude, like, second down, he gets sacked like. I'm talking coverage sack. Like dbs. Got them boys locked up like they in, you know, solitary confinement. You ain't got nobody in there but you and them. And dude dropped the pass on the third down. Like, how you. He ain't. He ain't getting that many to you now. No, you go ahead and drop it now. Y' all gotta punt the Rock. Dude, the Raiders gone ahead and I think it was second down. They break one for like 32, bro. Holding penalty.
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Bring it back.
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Bring that on back here. That boy was it bonita. He went ahead and got that. Got that sack on that third down and then they puntered. That's when they punter. He goes and drops the ball when they go to punt it. He got lucky. What? Nobody there. If they was rushing that dude, they would have got to him for sure. Oh, yeah. No question about it. Denver get the ball back first play. Holden, they get a holding pin on the first play.
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Them boys went like five, three and outs in a row.
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Dude, they had so many penalty. That's one of Denver's issues too. Like, they, they just, they, they got, they get penalties. Good lord. And then second down, 32. Dude, he dropped a pick that, that Knicks threw straight into his hands, bro. Like that. You should have been up out of there.
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You gotta have that.
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You gotta have that. He got lucky, though. They ain't getting nowhere no way. They tried to jump him off on fourth down, get the punter back. Hey, man, that punter, dude, that punter for Denver, he like, he, he, he hits another one like, dude, I don't. They might, they might end up like. I don't know.
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Yes, that's what I'm saying. They gotta give him, they gotta give him a raise. He was spinning.
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He needs some money.
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Yes. It was like on the video game, bro, when you go to those little punt things, you're trying to hit him in the corner, you put backspin on it. He's hitting them things perfectly.
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No, no, you took. You thinking of the Raiders guy. The Denver dude stinks. He thinks, he thinks another. He, he shanks the.
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Out of that one.
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Dude, the Denver dude stinks, man. He's saying, you, you thinking the next possession.
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I'm talking about the next dude. Okay, yeah, yeah.
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You thinking the next Raider, they go ahead and they, they hit the tight end on that third down for. I think it was like 30, 31 yards, something like that. And like that was. I believe that was the last third down. They completed that whole rest of that game, dude, I think, I think the next third down, they tried a quarterback sneak. How you try a quarterback sneak on third down and it's like two yards, dude. Like, what is, what is you thinking?
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They couldn't get it no other way.
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They couldn't get it that way, bro. Then you go and you go for it on fourth down, you get the touchdown, but you get that call back, you get an offensive PI. And that's when the punter said, you know what? I ain't tripping. Let me go on out here. I'm gonna put that on that thing. Drop that thing right there. And told the ball, just jump over there at the half yard line.
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Yes.
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Now he need a raise. The other dude, I don't even know if he gonna be there.
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No, no, other dude might not have got. Yeah, he might not have the stadium.
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Exactly. Denver came right back out there. They do another three and out. Because second down, dude, just letting him tackle your. Running your. Your receiver while you're blocking him, that has to be demoralized. That's crazy. He.
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Little brother, look, I'm take Both of you.
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I'm a hold you, and then I'm a tackle you. Yeah, come on, man. Your punter go back out there, trash. He give you another trash punt. I think he. He might have had. He might have been a double agent.
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Come on.
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He might have been working for the Raiders. He might have had some black and silver on up under that white norm.
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Yeah, man, somebody gotta watch his parlay.
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Yeah, the Raiders get back out there, man. They get a. A first down completion that is taken away because dude stepped out of bounds. So they got a illegal. Illegal touching on that one. And then on second down, I think the receiver, like, I think Bonita called that one. He was like, yeah, y' all run this. I'm gonna be sitting here waiting to give you this four or five yard loss. Yeah, y'.
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All.
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Y' all go ahead and. Y' all go ahead and take that. You know what I'm saying?
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Sacking them boys up.
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Dude, fourth down, it was a sack because the running back. How you miss that blitz pickup, bro? Like, how do you miss that? It's like. It's.
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That's in your job description. I don't know who it was. I don't know.
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Like, the quarterback knew it immediately. Like, yo, yo, you.
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You supposed to. You supposed to have him.
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What is you doing, bro? Oh, Denver get the short field now. They finally got a little bit of field positions. Dobbins went on ahead and hit him with 13 on that first one. Then they get a holding on the next play. Somehow they. They. They complete a second and like 20. They get like, almost 40 because Jamal Adams. I'm looking like he's spying from what I'm seeing. Nick's gone and breaks out. You could tell. Cause Sid, as he at Crosby, as he goes. I almost said Sydney Crosby.
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Mad Max.
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Yeah, as. As he goes and he spins the corner, he's looking. He sees the dude breaking and he like, okay. And then he seeing nobody there, he's like, what's going on? He end up throwing one right there. They got what, about 40 on that one. The next time I think he threw one was about a seven yard touchdown. They ended up seven. Seven. Now it's a fight. They in a true fight. Raiders come out there, they go ahead, get popped on set on first and third down. They get sacked on first and third down. Punta Rock. Don't nobody want to win.
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It was bad ball, dude.
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Was bad ball all around, dude like that. That's bad ball. Denver, get back out there. He should have had that completion on that first dude drops the ball like they just. They was dropping the ball. They wasn't catching the ball. They was having too many penalties, man. They get another PI on third down on one. Dude pushed off. They catch him on that one. Somehow they complete like a third and long. And then Nick goes ahead and throw that thing in the double coverage and say, you know what? I know it's only second down, but hell, I'm g. Toss it up there anyway and get some.
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That's just you. That. That's just. That was. That was bad. That's just a terrible play. You're trying to get points on the board before halftime and it's second down. You still got another play to live. There's. He was obviously covered and you just threw the ball far for no reason. So. Like that.
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Yeah.
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It's only second down.
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It's only second down, man. Throw it out.
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That might have been four for something. I had to look. Maybe I was lost.
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No, man, that was a second down play.
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You.
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You got to try to get points there. You haven't been playing right at the end.
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Yeah, for sure.
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Get it out of bounds. Let's get another play. Yeah. That was crazy.
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Yeah, throw it away. That's all you had to do, dude. Yep. Like, that don't make no sense. Raiders get out there. Geno throws a beautiful pass down deep. Ball that dude goes ahead and drops that one. They end up gotta catch the ball.
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It's hitting you in the hands. It's on both sides, though. Like, Geno's the son. They weren't playing the best ball, but the receivers ain't helping them. Like, if the ball hands, you gotta catch the joint, please.
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Like the balls that get in their hand, they ain't even catching. They like, hey, no, I don't want to win. You win, man. No, I don't want to win. You win in the first half is 7. 7. Ain't nothing. Ain't nothing. Popping 7. 7. Third quarter, they come out there, Denver gets out there in the first place, they get a pill start.
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Yes, bro. Non discipline. Hey, starting behind the sticks, you make plays and the flags come. How you gonna get anything going?
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No question, dude. Three and out. They punt the ball. Raider said, you ain't go outdo us. We going three and out too. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Three and out. Us better than we can. Three and out. You never get back in there. They start moving the ball down the field a little bit, dude. Like, first eight plays, I think they had like six runs. About 25, 26. Even though it was just a quarterback sneak. And then was two passes for about 20 yards. And then as soon as the ninth play hit, them boys said, hey, we gotta do something to self destruct.
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We gotta slow this thing down.
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Slow this thing down. False start, false start. Mm. False start. Even though they got the false start, you know, but it's like what, second and eight, something like that. Even though they got the false start, they end up getting seven yards. Third and one. What is the receiver pass for at third and one? Why are you trying to do that? It's third and one and you get sacked. So you move back. Then you gotta kick a field goal and you miss the field goal. Are you calling a receiver pass on third and one right there. When all we gotta do is just keep this thing moving. We're moving the ball.
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No, no, no. That's trying. You're trying to outsmart yourself and you do dumb things instead of doing the normal thing.
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Hey, yeah. I don't understand it. And then again, they missed the field goal. 7. 7. Raiders get the ball back. They said, hey, you ain't go out do us. We know y' all gotta go ahead and help y' all a little bit. Genti went on ahead and he said, I ain't gonna catch this tip.
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Here, take it right off the shield. First, first right off his shield. Hit him dead in the face.
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Hey, man, take, man, take this.
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Crazy. Yeah, like that's just.
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Yeah.
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So something when I talked about like Bo Nicks play bad or whatever, like his stats, 150 yards, Geno Smith bad. But these, they're not getting helped. Like, like take away the picks. Like self inflicted wounds. Buddy, I hit you in the face mask with the rock, you know what I'm saying? Like that's not my bad. But it's a pick or Geno, so that's not good.
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Yeah, Denver come back out there, they do another three and out because either Knicks ain't get the ball off in time or something was going to happen if he threw it. They get a. They get a PI. Because they start blocking before the screen. Get, get, get into his hands. Yeah, they punt the Rock. Raiders get it back. Gino don't get the ball past the line of scrimmage on the second down, they get an intentional grounding and then they go and get their punt block. Like this dude. Like y', all, y'. All, this dude been dropping that thing in there for all y' all all night and then y' all let his point get blocked. It wasn't Even like. Like a tip. Like he kicked the man all up in the face with the ball.
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Yeah, yeah. No, for sure y' all gonna hurt his leg.
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Like, I don't even. I don't even know what. Like, ain't nobody, ain't nobody want to block on that play. Like, special teams was in on it too. Like, nah, we ain't gonna let the offense outdo us.
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They all, they all, we all gotta watch their legs, man. Hey, we.
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We all gonna be. We all gonna get a part of this. So now hold up. Here's the crazy thing though. Denver gets the ball on the Vegas.
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12 yard, 12 yard line.
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They go four plays and end up attempting a field goal from the 14. Yes.
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Debo, you go backwards two yards, you go four plays. Negative two.
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Them boys said, I'm gonna outdo you. Imma lose yards.
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That's just bad ball.
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I'mma lose yards. Yeah. They end up making the field goal, man. It is 10 to 7. And now we got the offense. Raiders go three, and now you ain't go out. Do me back with a three. And now you ain't go out. Do me. Raiders get out there, buddy. And I think they go 25. I think it was first down, 19, and then I think it was third down. Was that the next third down? They get sacked on that next third down, right? Yep, yep. Yeah. Cause they ain't complete no more third downs. After the second quarter, they got a Punta Rock Denver. They get the ball back. He said, hey, we're gonna return the favorite, baby. Tip third down to pass. Interception.
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No, I mean, it hits. It's hitting people like deflection bags is like, dang, Catch the block like and.
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But I don't know, they can't get too frustrated because it ain't like they always putting it on them. But I'm like, yo, wanted to get there. Come on.
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Now you're going to make excuse that you're not used to seeing the ball that's going to.
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I ain't used to seeing it. Throw that damn rock. What you doing? I don't know.
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Okay. No, they gotta catch still, you know, they gotta catch them, man.
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They tripping.
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Man. Gotta catch the easy ones, man.
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So Raiders, they started, I think, with The Denver, what, 30, 45, 45. Then, then get. I think they only get like 15 yards on five plays or so. And they go for a 48 yard field goal, dude.
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And striking distance.
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And listen, they get it. I am right. Right now. I'm like, yo, I am like, I hope they do not make this feel I do not watch. I be done watch this whole game to sit here and have a tie and be done. Wasted my whole night on the top. Like give me some type of satisfaction.
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Somebody, somebody lose somebody get out of here some.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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You were glad that that man missed the field goal and they got the rock back, but it just do their thing. Get it out of there.
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Oh, no question, no question. Denver get the ball back. I think they get like 18 on the. On the third and one. That picks up a. A first down. And then Crosby got an encroachment that dropped it to a first and five. That went to a second and one. And then the Raiders started to have to use their timeouts. Then it was third and one. Knicks did a quarterback sneak. Next they get a first down. I think they might have handed it off one more time. And then they nailed the rest of the game out.
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Dude.
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That was a.
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Although I like boring game.
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Yeah. Although I like defense. It was no defense. It was just a horrible offenses. Yeah, it was defense too. Let me, let me take it back.
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It was, it was good defense.
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Yeah, but like plays where you like, yo, I'm seeing 50, 000 plays they could have made. I'm seeing penalties that, that, that stop plays, that stop drive that took away points.
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Okay.
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You know, all that stuff like Denver, like, they got issues, bruh. They need to improve everything. Dude, they talking about they need to improve early and do better early. Nah, man, y' all look like y' all need to improve. The whole night when I sat back and I was, you know, I was doing some little research looking at it. I guess they have a big issue on a first and second downs. What they call early down success rate? I guess 32% on early down success rates or successful downs early. Yeah.
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What would they call successful play?
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Exactly. I had to look that up, so. Yeah, so I had to look that up. So I was wondering, like, what. What is. What is successful, you know, for first and second down?
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Yes.
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When you look it up, it tells you that you gotta gain 40% of the yards that is needed on first down.
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Okay.
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If it's second down, you have to get 60 of the yards that is needed to get to. To the first down. So. Okay, basically that makes first and ten. You need to get four yards. You need four yards. If it's second and ten, you need six yards. So, you know. Okay, same thing. Like you get behind the chain.
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Down, you know, basically keeping ahead of the sticks.
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Right, okay. Right, right. So like they need to do that. They need chunks. Do they? Like they don't throw the ball downfield. I think I saw where like even on that same thing they were saying like on the early downs, he's like 70% of his passes are within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage.
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The dink and dunk.
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Yeah, yeah, the dink and dunk. And then like dude, he like he needs to improve period. Like he needs to get better with his decision making. His accuracy Dude, I mean, even. Hell, maybe the calls too. Like, y'. All, y' all making some questionable calls maybe. Yeah, something different that's gonna help him. The penalties is killing them. The negative, all them negative plays is killing them. Like they need a, they need a more consistent run game like the offense. Dude, the office needs everything. Yeah, that's what it seems like to me. What you, which, what do you take from me?
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I take you saying exactly what I'm saying and what I'm seeing. I'm seeing the offenses out there struggling and they've been struggling now for a lot of weeks, but they have a real, they have an elite defense. Their defense not only just plays good versus the Raiders, but they've been playing good kind of this, this whole year. They gotta be able to. The offense needs to get more of a. Was good. More of a run game, more of a, More of a pass game. They gotta catch the ball when it's open. Like you said, getting ahead of the sticks. Um, but I was just really impressed with the defense being able to stay out there, being able to make plays, being able to create turnovers. Um, and Broncos just offense not being able to get first downs, you going four, three and out for the first four or five possessions in a row, like, and then penalties too. 11 penalties. Like you can't, you. You can't keep hurting yourself. So the stuff. Self inflicted wound. That also is why their success rate on first and second down isn't good. If you starting off at first and 15, you know what I'm saying? You got to gain a lot more yards than just that.
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You're behind the chains already. You know, it smashes down the playbook. When you, when you go in there and you got that, you know, you, you at that, that range of that, that second and six or less. Like you got a lot more playbook that you can use, you know what I'm saying? Especially if you're able to, you know, be able to run the ball. I don't think people understand like being able to successfully and, and can, you know, instantly run the ball opens up so much. Especially like for pass game, you know, play action, stuff like that. You know, when you can, when you can successfully and, and you know, continuously like run the ball. Like it, it just, it just makes.
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B
Everything, it opens up so much stuff for you. And like you said too Debo, in self inflicted penalties, if you're not that good and you just can't make chunks and you just can't do things a certain way, don't set yourself up to already. When you do make a play, it's you get back by holding. You know what I'm saying? Your dudes are open and you drop the damn ball unexpected like catch these passes don't hold. You know what I'm saying? Some of these plays that we do get let these actually be first downs. So self inflicted wounds on their on offense holdings pass interferences and then dropping passes. So the offense definitely not looking good. The defense is just holding them down, just making, making plays, you know what I'm saying? Creating turnovers. The defensive line getting after the quarterbacks, not making Gino sack them six times like they were beating us up. They weren't g them time to throw. So if you got DBs that's out there and then the best player. My, my, the corner, number two Deuce Deuce for the Denver Broncos. He's not even out there right now. So they doing it with boy with a backup corner. So if they get him back in there, Moss be playing right like they I really like Denver's defense. The offense, they just got to not hurt themselves B Knicks not throwing the ball downfield. It's just a lot they got to figure out look in the mirror. But it's always better when you can go to practice and study this tape when you won the game, you know what I'm saying? Then lose the game.
- [27:04]
A
Yes, yes. It feels better to fix your mess ups on a win than it does on a loss.
- [27:12]
B
Thousand percent. Yeah, they ain't too so they've been doing a lot of fixing with some wins. So I mean it's not like they're doing too bad but there's other teams that you can't just be playing like this when teams are going to be able to score points on you big time.
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A
Yeah, for sure. Receivers got to catch the rock. They got to get the rock to him. Speaking of receivers, my guy Aaron Rodgers responded on if his receivers wanted more targets. Do we have that video? Can you play the video? Because this little. The video gives you a whole lot more content and then oh, you don't got the video. He says if somebody wants more targets, I welcome the conversation. Usually I say let's watch the film. Let's see. Let's talk about football. I love doing that. The thing young players learn is that practice is very, very important. And when you show it weekend and week out in practice, it gives a quarterback a lot of confidence to come your way when it's football time. He also said, he also said some other things but like how do you feel about this? What do you, what do you think he's saying? Or. Or do you. What's your, what's your feeling from this? Hold on.
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B
First, let me ask you, let me ask you this one, Debo. Let me get, let me see how you feel about this one first. I want your perspective.
- [28:35]
A
Okay? I don't have a problem with it because if you watched and listened to the whole thing, he's basically saying that if he sees it in practice, you do it in practice, you do it effectively. I'll have confidence in you and I'll get the ball to you. But he also, in that same conversation says that sometimes I can't get the ball to you and sometimes we don't get the ball to those guys and that no one is complaining about that and everybody understands that and so on and so forth. So I'm cool with it. That's why if we had the whole thing, you would actually be very, very cool with it.
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B
Okay.
- [29:19]
A
The response, to be honest with you, dude, I think the whole response is about a minute 40.
- [29:28]
B
Aaron Rodgers response.
- [29:29]
A
Yeah.
- [29:30]
B
Okay, so this is what I would say. I appreciate Aaron Rodgers response, you know what I'm saying? Because I don't think he's trying to throw shade. He's really trying to. If you're open and let's talk about it, I'm the quarterback. I'm not trying to not get people to ball for any reasons. And we can make these conversations in practice. You can show me like, boom, on this. You know, when your head's whipped around on time, you're getting your head around on time. You're ready for the past to be presented to you.
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A
Oh, and that was, that was something else he was saying, like, yo, it may not get to you because the coverage that we're looking for is not the coverage that it's going to be successful in. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's why I said, like, yeah, keep going though.
- [30:07]
B
No, no, for sure. I appreciate that because it's. The quarterback can have in conversations that you can go and watch tape with the dbs, you can let him know your progressions. Not every time you're the one that's like supposed to be getting there. It might be getting set up for this look. You know what I'm saying? If this, that look. So being able to have that talk with your quarterback, like, no, if we get this look, this man to man and me and you got this thing, you know what's coming to you, you want the ball there you're showing me in practice, you're understanding, you're doing all the right things. You're on your spots, so I can trust you to be there at any time. So long, just me and you. I want. He needs rapport. If you can show it to me, I'm a rock.
- [30:40]
A
I'm not.
- [30:40]
B
Not trying to score touchdowns. Trust me. I want us to be as successful as possible. And if that means getting you to rock a little bit more, like, let's. Let's talk about it. I can show you where opportunities, where I can get it to you, where I'm looking for. You know what I'm saying? So I think it's all good because he wants to win games. He's a great quarterback. A great quarterback doesn't want to get the ball. He doesn't not want to get the ball to his receivers. So just having conversations and speaking like this, where. Let's get into it. Let's. Let's watch tape that just is like this. Yes. That's what football players and teams are supposed to do if somebody wants the ball. Let's talk about this. Like, let's work together. Your goal is to score touchdowns, and mine is. The goal is to throw them, too, so our goals can both work together. You know what I'm saying? Let's just. Let's just do it constructively. You know what I'm saying? So I really appreciate the way Aaron Rodgers did this. It's professionalism. It's telling him, like, look, boom, we're on the same thing together. Let's go watch this tape, and let's learn. Like, it's important. Like, a rod could tell him what he's looking for, and he could show them to him in practice. So I like the way that they're trying to build relationships. And this is. This is a great answer for me.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. Like, it's. It's no. It's no I in team. And. And when you look at basketball, you know, they were like, it's no iron team, but it's a me. Yeah. It's only five players out there. You need guys to do everything that's necessary on that page to get one assignment done to make. To make one play successful. And I think now a lot of these receivers are just so worried about what their numbers are, what this is, what that is. When the concept of a football team is to win Lombardi's, so we got to win games. How can you be upset if you're winning games? If you're not winning games and you Feel like you can go in there and you, if you had got more catches, more touches that they figured out a way to get the ball to you, you could, you could have made a different outcome. But guys just crying and complaining about it and we're winning like, and you're still playing. I don't, I don't, I don't understand that. So, you know. No, I think that's a new age era thing, you know, like when you go back to when we play, you ain't hear Heinz Ward complaining about he ain't getting a rock. He out there knocking people's jaws loose. He literally breaking boys jaws, blocking in the run game. You know what I'm saying?
- [32:53]
B
No, no, for sure. Doing what? Doing whatever's necessary.
- [32:57]
A
Right. So I think that's like just this, this new, this new era. Speaking of that, Rome, what's, what's this? Dunes. I guess his father had something to say about the Bears. He criticized the Bears. I guess he senior. He's junior. Yes.
- [33:17]
B
His dad.
- [33:19]
A
Yeah. So he, he criticized the Bears, but the junior, he, he said, you know, they ain't got nothing to do with me, you know, that's his dad's opinion. What do you, what do you think of that? You think, you think that's real or you think. I mean, I don't know. You tell me, Joe.
- [33:37]
B
You know how that says, Debo, you know how this is. Some people have more outspoken parents than others. Some people's parents know, like at the end of the day when you in the league and anything that you say, like John Morant's dad or Lavar Lavar and Lavar Ball's dad, the Balls brothers dad, whatever you say, you know what I'm saying? You know, it's going to be on the media, it's going to, your son's going to have to answer about it. So sometimes how I feel about this stuff is more you're kind of putting on your kid. You're, you're, you're, you're, you're, that's your son. You love your son, you're going to root for him. You're going to want the best of him regardless. But saying things like this out publicly is going to make him have to answer these questions to the media about his dad. And the whole time is you, not your dad loves you. Your dad going to be able to say what he says. And that's what I would. I'm like, you can't control what comes out of your father's mouth. But at the same time, you you're his boy. He's going to love you to death. And if he wants to see. He sees you not getting used the right way, he's. Sometimes those guys want to speak on it. But just know you're putting your son in a position to answer questions about why his dad feels this way. Do you feel that way? And you have to answer like, no, I'm my own man. My dad loves me. He thinks I could be able to make a lot more plays. He thinks I should be able to be used a lot better than this. But I'm in the. I'm in the room. I gotta answer these questions. I'm here. So at the end of the day, like, no, I don't feel that way. He may feel like he can get the ball a little bit more, but while he's playing for the team, he's in that locker room. He can't make that answer. He can't say that out loud. And what are you gonna say to his dad? That's my dad. I love my dad. My dad's his own man. Like, nah, dad, shut up. No, your dad's gonna say what he wants to say. Cause that's your father. But then you're gonna respect him and be like, at the end of the day, that's how dad feels. I can only speak from how I feel. You know what I'm saying? So dad could be talking to his son and knowing what's going on. But end of the day, your dad is your dad. I look at it like, Lonzo Ball, LaVar Ball. I look at my dad. If my dad were to say some stuff, I'd be like, all right, Pa. Come on, man. But that's the way my dad feels. That's not the way I feel. Or it could be the way that he feels, but just doesn't want to put his team out there like that. Okay, what you think?
- [35:36]
A
I love that positive answer. But I told you, I got a dead guy on one shoulder, and I got a white angel guy with wings on the other shoulder. If my daddy was a social media guy, he's no longer with us. I would have definitely used him. If I was in that position where I felt like I needed to get the ball more and they would go look at my daddy's social media to vent my frustrations, that is, any frustrations that everybody could see from me playing the game on the field, not in the locker room or with the coaches, I'm gonna use him as my middleman.
- [36:31]
B
I don't believe you.
- [36:32]
A
I can get off my chest. What I want to say. Okay?
- [36:37]
B
I don't believe you do that.
- [36:38]
A
When they come to me, you know what I'm gonna tell them?
- [36:42]
B
What you gonna tell the D?
- [36:44]
A
I ain't got no control over my daddy said. That's my daddy's opinions. I don't feel that way. Now, listen, I'm gonna tell you this right now. If I said my daddy said or my mama said, I ain't gonna say I'm lying. But I gotta put it off on somebody. And they told me it was okay for me to do that, so the time needed.
- [37:09]
B
Debo, you are funny. So. But for real. For real, though, you.
- [37:13]
A
You.
- [37:14]
B
You would. If you had. If you had a problem, if you were.
- [37:17]
A
Let's put.
- [37:17]
B
You say you a dud, right? And you don't feel like you're getting the rock, Would you tell your pop the. If he was on Twitter and was like. Would you be like, man, pop, go ahead, let them know. Like, I need to be getting the pill.
- [37:30]
A
Listen, hold on. Let y' all see my eye. Cause I'm a little bright. But, hey, I' ma tell my daddy privately. Say everything I say for you verbatim. And then add some other stuff in there that I wouldn't say that is out of character so they don't think it's me all the way. Okay? And then, listen, Daddy, I love you. Know I love you. Yeah, I love you too, son. I love you. Hey, and when I. And when they come ask me no, I'm gonna have to deny. Yes, son, of course. Yeah.
- [38:08]
B
I'm your daddy. I got you.
- [38:09]
A
Hey, what you think? What you think? What you think Marvin Sr. Did. His son did.
- [38:15]
B
No, for sure, for sure.
- [38:18]
A
Hey, listen, I think it's the. They playing chess over there. They playing chess for you to go and yell and scream about it. Uh, chess move is how your daddy do it. And your daddy, Marvin Harrison, that Marvin Harrison got gold jacket that carried weight. Yeah. Now with social media, everybody want to talk and have a word. So if you got a parent that's on social media and you a guy.
- [38:40]
B
That'S on, that's all they gotta do. Soon, they just say something, put it out there.
- [38:43]
A
Hey. And you know what? I'm even help him, because before he do it, I'm gonna make sure I start tagging my daddy. Hey, my daddy right here. We here. We there.
- [38:52]
B
Tag, tag, tag. So when you pumping this ground?
- [38:57]
A
Hey, I'm Pre. I'm Pre pumping for the dumping, okay?
- [39:02]
B
You Pre Pumping Debo. You.
- [39:05]
A
I'm Just saying I gotta. I gotta. I gotta read. And I'm just playing devil's advocate right here. No, no, right now. Wouldn't do that. Being. And. And, you know, be in the position that I am right now. And. And having my relationship with my Lord said I wouldn't do that right now. But. Oh, James. Oh, my daddy would do it. My daddy wouldn't do it. My daddy was normally I talk to your face kind of. Kind of guy.
- [39:32]
B
Yeah.
- [39:33]
A
But now listen. No, I ain't gonna say nothing else because I'm gonna mess around and. Yeah. Nope, nope. I ain't about to give him no information.
- [39:43]
B
No, but that's what I'm saying. I think he does. I think he downplayed it though, bro, because I. I honestly wouldn't think that his dad's gonna say whatever his dad wants to say. I told his dad to say it.
- [39:55]
A
I ain't saying he told his dad to say it, but I'm pretty sure you venting your frustrations about how they is and ain't using you.
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D
Yeah.
- [40:03]
A
You all right? You can hear.
- [40:04]
B
Yeah, no, for sure, for sure, for sure. But I'm saying that. What.
- [40:08]
A
But.
- [40:08]
B
But then what's the difference then of you putting it out than you having your daddy put it out?
- [40:13]
A
Because I am not now a disgruntle receiver employee.
- [40:21]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. You're right.
- [40:24]
A
Yeah. My daddy's looking at it.
- [40:25]
B
He's seeing.
- [40:25]
A
He got eyes.
- [40:26]
B
He's answering everything right. He is answering. I'm good.
- [40:29]
A
I'm happy. I'm. I'm. We. I'm doing what's necessary. Would I like more talk? Listen, we're playing. This is what it is. I got the story out. I got people talking now. Look, we talking.
- [40:42]
B
Yeah, you're right. You're right. Hey, and he did the right thing. He answered the right way, too. So Rome is clean. Rome is clean.
- [40:48]
A
Everything clean.
- [40:49]
B
He clean.
- [40:50]
A
He loves being clean. Boy cleaner than the border himself.
- [40:52]
B
You're correct, Debo. If that's the way he did it, he done fooled me. Hey, that boy said, I'm playing checkers.
- [41:01]
A
Hey, you playing checkers?
- [41:03]
B
He playing chess.
- [41:04]
A
He playing chess, baby. Yeah, he playing chess, baby.
- [41:06]
B
That's.
- [41:06]
A
That's. You know, that's.
- [41:07]
B
That's really.
- [41:08]
A
All this to it. Damn.
- [41:09]
B
Young boy got my ass.
- [41:10]
A
Yes, he did. I'm telling you, the game does. The game doesn't change. Maybe these boys doing things different games. Dolphins said, you know, they didn't remove. They. What is it, a papa shot? Basketball game from the locker room. Hey, listen, I'm gonna tell you this right here though.
- [41:26]
B
Yes.
- [41:27]
A
So on these, on these games, like being in like locker rooms and all that stuff, yo, I don't have a problem with all that stuff being removed. I actually have a problem with it being, being there. Like, you're not here to have fun at work. Like, we're not here to manufacture other things that has not worked. That is fun for you. You should have a job that is fun. That way when you go to work, you're having fun and you get paid to do it. No, like, when did this start where we got to go to work? When we go to work, we got to have something fun. You know, when we come in, we have something fun for the employees. They come in and it's the sucker and it says, have a great day. Kiss the back end. Yes.
- [42:21]
B
Debo, they're tripping.
- [42:22]
A
You hear the work? That's it. I'm not spending no, huh? Listen, you want to work, get the work done, Go ahead, get all this. Listen, bonus structure, just like, yo, you know how I'm gonna show the appreciation for what you're doing to me for, for me? Hey, man, Christmas bonuses, stuff like that. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not here to put the basketball game in here because now you know what that 15 minute break y' all supposed to get done turned into 30 running late. That, that, that, that 45 minute lunch done turned into an hour 15 if you're lucky. And then if you lost, you trying to get back there immediately. You know, if I lose, I gotta get back.
- [43:11]
B
Yeah, as soon as I can.
- [43:13]
A
I can't leave work with the loss. Boy, I ain't even think about the job no more.
- [43:18]
B
Come on.
- [43:19]
A
They talking about, man, I'm two in one against so and so, man. Yeah, I gotta get back in there.
- [43:23]
B
They can't see me in ping pong.
- [43:25]
A
Can't see me in the ping pong, man. The little hoop on the back of the thing, I'm wet with that jumper. Yeah, the boy said it's wet.
- [43:36]
B
They don't matter this without Debo. I'm with you 1000%. The main thing is. The main thing when we go in there, you need to have like, I want to have the. You got hot tubs, cold tubs. Do we have nutritionists? Like, those are the main things in the main.
- [43:51]
A
Yo, that's what they need to do. Stop getting these little teeny penny games and get real help in there.
- [43:58]
B
That's. That's real when you come in there and you start getting like the facility is for. The main thing is you're going to be doing recovery as long as they have all nice recovery facilities, like there's no time honestly for games or like zero. We can go do that after at the crib. Dude, that's where you get paid this dough that we have a nice house.
- [44:18]
A
I'm not gonna pay phone, no table tennis.
- [44:21]
B
There's no real time when you're in the facility here.
- [44:24]
A
We could be sitting here together, eating, talking about whatever it is the game plan is. Adjustments are all that Getting short on.
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C
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- [46:07]
A
Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line. But first there the last one. Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes everything that you have going on instead of sitting. Huh?
- [46:39]
B
I mean I won't.
- [46:41]
A
You.
- [46:42]
B
It's notes. It's not. You're not. You're in there. And when you're in the facilities, like, you know what I'm saying? You got, there's meetings, there's, there's things that you're doing, you should. There's things that you could be doing at all times until you all times join. There's no real time where you can. All right, I bet now I'm going to go play. Unless you're not eating, you know what I'm saying? Or instead you're not eating, you should be doing some recovery, getting ready for practice. Like there's no real time. You guys all right? Bet I got 30. Doing recovery or you ready to go play some pool?
- [47:07]
A
That's it.
- [47:08]
B
No, right. I don't have 30 minutes to go play pool. We got practice coming up. Well, after practice we have a meeting and then I'm going to go home, you know what I'm saying? Like that's like where nobody's in the facility after everybody's gone. But like, wouldn't you like go to the house or like, you know what I'm saying? Like that's when hopefully you've been there all damn day. I'm not standing here to play pool. I'm going home to go play pool or go see my kids. Like we've been here all day doing the job and that's what you do there. You work and then when you leave, you go, you go play. You can go do what you want to do. But in the facility, I'm so with like the extracurricular stuff, it's mainly do we have, we need fix our hot tubs and cold tubs, you know what I'm saying? Like, do we have people that can go stretch us or is our equipment good, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's the thing. I feel like money or any of that stuff should be going to like the other. That's just wasting time.
- [47:58]
A
Oh, no question about it, dude. Like that. Yeah, I was, I was never really, you know, a fan, you know, of having the extra, you know, stuff in there. But this, what is this? Sunday night? Sunday night we got Sunday night football, right? Still is charges, right? Yeah, yeah. In la. In la. Listen here, man. This is what we need the defense to do, man. Okay? Defense has to go out there and continue to produce. All right, Charges is the number, what, four, five? Offense?
- [48:44]
B
Yes.
- [48:46]
A
We have to do the first things first and that's stop the run. We can't be trying to fight a two headed monster. Okay? Okay. We have to pressure. What is it, Herbert?
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B
Yep, Justin.
- [49:01]
A
Herbert. We got a pressure Herbert, which has gotten a lot easier or at least a little easier because I think they lost a tackle alt for the season. Okay? So then we got to shore up our past defense, man. We got limit the big chunks.
- [49:22]
B
Come on, dbs.
- [49:24]
A
You have to play tighter and cleaner. No penalties. Nephew, I'm talking to you.
- [49:31]
B
He about to hoop. He bout the hoop.
- [49:33]
A
I'm talking, I'm talking to nephew Lil Peezy. You gotta use your feet and take advantage of your length and your speed. I'm talking directly to you, nephew. Okay, Lil Peasy, I'm talking directly to you. I want to see you put together a whole complete game week in and week out. And I'm doing this on purpose. You know why? Because I know you're your daddy's son. Okay? And. And when I. When I call you out, I put pressure on that don't mean nothing to you. They don't do but motivate you. Okay?
- [50:10]
B
And he coming fresh off the. He coming fresh off the full PBUS pick and the sack. Lil Handsy. All I'm saying is PC got the ability to be all pro. He has the skill set to be all pro. I'm just loving he do that. And take away those little. A little. Take away two little grabbies like in the day, those questions. Six pass breakups, a pick and a sack.
- [50:33]
A
Complete game. Nephew, do that. We need to continue. Last but not least, mostly we need to create turnovers. Hey, nephew, give me a pick or two. Come on, let's go.
- [50:48]
B
I like him to do it.
- [50:49]
A
I need a game ball, nephew. Give me a game ball, baby.
- [50:52]
B
I like it. I like him to do it. And then we need the same thing, man. Same. Look, do what we did last week. Can we just run it back? You know what I'm saying?
- [51:03]
A
I ain't gonna say that. We need some more. We need some more.
- [51:05]
B
No, no, no. I'm talking about defense. I'm talking about defense. I'm talking about defense. Side of the ball defense. Side of the ball.
- [51:09]
C
Oh, yeah.
- [51:10]
B
Only strictly running back, minus the penalties. Yeah, minus the little penalties. But I'm just saying just stop the run. You know what I'm saying? But now in the past, take away the chunks like you said. Take away the little bit of grabbies, Take away the chunk plays, the taking the cheese, the biting the cheese, Debo. You know what I'm saying? Don't let it come up. Drop off, come up and make the tackles and we'll be good to go. Let's do that.
- [51:33]
A
Yeah, we're going to need the offense now, offensive side offense, we go front line. Start with the front line, man. Start with Odin D line, man. Yeah, we need to be able to do it up front. We gotta gain well able to run that ball effectively.
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B
Yeah.
- [51:50]
A
Like, we need to have more consistent run game. I don't. I don't care if it's 3, 4 yards and a cloud of dust. That keeps us ahead of the change.
- [52:01]
B
Yes.
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A
Like it burns clock. You know, like today's defense ain't no bums. What is they?
- [52:10]
B
No, they ain't.
- [52:11]
A
They ain't something like that.
- [52:12]
B
They bring second in the league. And scoring defense, they're only giving an 18 and a half points a game.
- [52:16]
A
Oh, my. Yeah. Yeah.
- [52:18]
B
So it's not. They're not weak. They're not weak at all. Yeah.
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Matter of fact, I think they third against the pass. I think the only thing they. What maybe 17th in the run. So we got to take advantage of that. We got to be up. We got to try and take advantage of that. Like we can effectively run the ball again. Like, it opens up the pass game. It opens up the pass game. It opens up play action. It does. It does a lot of things when you can effectively run the ball. Because now they got to put something down there to try and stop it, you know? And the biggest thing is no turnovers. No offensive turnovers. We go in there, we do that.
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B
Don't wait. We gonna come away with the dub facts.
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A
We'll come away with another dub.
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B
Because we can't. Like you said, we can't be turning that ball over. Defense gonna keep giving us the ball back. You know what I'm saying? We win the turnover battle. We can't. We won the Turtle battle by 5 and 1. By 7. So we just got to be able offense score when you get into the red zone. Even field goal. But we need touchdowns if we get down there. But definitely don't turn the ball over. Field goals, you know what I'm saying? And position. If you gotta punt that thing, punt it deep. Let's get it down there because our defense is cold.
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A
No question. Give us room to work with.
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B
Come on.
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A
Give us room to work with. Hey. Hey, Joe.
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D
Who?
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A
Who? The Browns play. Hold up. It doesn't matter who.
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B
Oh, you. Sorry.
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A
Is that the jets, man?
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B
It is, babe.
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A
What y' all gonna do? Man, what y' all gonna do?
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B
You know what this is? This is.
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A
This is doing a lot of stuttering, Joe.
- [54:01]
B
Because I don't know what we're going to do, Deebo. That's why I'm stuttering. Because if I was honest, I would tell you the truth. I don't know what we're going to do.
- [54:10]
A
You're being honest right now. You being honest?
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B
I'm being honest right now. I know one thing. I know what is going to happen. Our defense is going to go out there and ball out. That's what's going to happen. Miles Garrett Ward, the warden, the boys, they going to go out there and do what they got to do. My concern is, what are we going to do on. Oh, hopefully if we can run the ball right, we can run the ball consistently. Get junkins out there. I want to see Judkins running it, and I want to see what Dylan Gabriel, if he's going to help us or hurt us or is it going to be Shador? That's basically what it is.
- [54:40]
A
He has a bad game, he hurts the team. Dylan out. Start Shador next year or you start him halfway.
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B
I'm. I'm going to let him.
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A
Two picks by halftime gone.
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B
Yesterday.
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A
Bye week now, is it, Debo?
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B
Two picks by halftime. He's killing us. He's not just hurting us, he's betting on the other team. He throw two picks in the first half, he's betting on the Jets.
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A
Hold on. What if one is a great play and the other one is a tip?
- [55:15]
B
One is a great play, the other one's a tip the table, man. Listen, it's not meant to be for Dillon. It should have been a tip. It could have been a tip to the ground, a tip, score. It could have fell in his favor, universe speaking, huh?
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A
Okay. Okay.
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B
Come on, Debo.
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A
Hey, I'm just asking, Joe.
- [55:36]
B
You really. You went there, you said two picks. If he throw two tutties, he's in there. He's in there like swimwear, but you know what I'm saying, He throws two picks. Yanked.
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A
Okay, okay. So we're gonna go ahead, call that Shador watch.
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B
All right.
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A
We on Shadora. Watch right now, y'.
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B
All.
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A
Oh, that's a real door watch.
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B
That's a fact.
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A
Yo, Joe, I need you. I need your mid season awards. First one is the no Fly Zone. Who. Who you got for the best DB mid season?
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B
My best DB mid season. For the Joe Hayden no Fly Zone. It's my safety. The safety for the. For Chicago. Chicago.
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A
Yeah, baby.
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B
Thank you for Chicago, bro.
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A
I ain't gonna even lie to you. You know what I'm saying?
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B
Like, how did you pick them?
- [56:25]
A
Yes. Yo, listen, listen. I was gonna straight up be like, listen, I don't really know. I ain't really own it. But I said, you know what? Let me go look at the stat that counts interceptions. You know what? I found? He leading.
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B
You know why?
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A
I went on ahead and did a little bit of, you know, a little bit of the word and saw a couple other things. I said, you know what?
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D
I.
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A
He gotta be it.
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B
And you know why, too, though? Because not only is he just getting picks, bro, it's the way he's doing it. He's reading the quarterback. They just not like lucky picks.
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A
They ain't falling into him.
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B
They're not just. They're not falling into his lap. He's going to go getting picks. He's baiting quarterbacks, making picks. So stand up.
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A
What is it? Kevin Byard.
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B
Kevin Byard. Kevin Byard. Yes, bro. Give Kevin by all the love in the world. Because he was doing it when I was out there. Safety. Safety. He doing it, man. He doing it. Shout out buyer. He's been balling, reading pick. Reading quarterbacks like books.
- [57:23]
A
All right, so give me. Give me your. Give me your best linebacker, man.
- [57:28]
B
Best linebacker. Shout out rook. Pittsburgh Steelers. P Dub.
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A
P Dub.
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B
I'm going P Dub. I'm going P Dub a linebacker.
- [57:45]
A
I like it. I like it. I like it.
- [57:48]
B
The reason why I'm going P Dub because pdub is he's walking people down. He's making plays in the backfield. He's making plays, athletic plays, pass breakups, jumping up. And he's just around the football all the time. 14 tackles. And I just love his enthusiasm. I love when he walked down the wide receiver, showing his speed, his effort, and then just making plays all around his excitedness. He's balling. So I'm gonna go with P Dub. Little homer vibe right there. But I'm gonna give P Dub some love. Cause I think he has nowhere to go but better.
- [58:18]
A
Who you going free going? So I was kind of like in between, like two people, to be honest with you. So, like, just best linebacker, you know, I ain't gonna lie, dude. Dude. For the Giants, bro. Burns, bruh. Yeah. Yeah.
- [58:39]
B
Zero.
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A
Put numbers out there, bro.
- [58:41]
B
Number zero.
- [58:42]
A
Yes, bro. You put numbers out. The man got 11 seconds. He got 15 quarterback hits, dude. Like, dude, he got 42 total tackles. Along with that, he got five pass defenses and two force fumbles, man. He impacting everything, like, best. Like he's doing it all. I know they, they. They record ain't showing that and all that, but I was also looking at Tamarine Edmonds, like in Chicago.
- [59:13]
B
Yes, yes, for the bangle lie. But you know me, that's what I should.
- [59:17]
A
I'm a. I'm a. I'm a sack guy. He got four picks too. He got about 75, almost 75 tackles, dude. Like. Like, you know, like this is doing it. Like, I like that guy. You know what I'm saying? Like. So if I had to go with the inside, matter of fact, I would go there. There it is. If I had to go with that. But yeah, it was. It was a toss up. But I, I went. I went. I went with the New York guy. But like I said, Tremaine, Emma. See there he. There he did. Okay, who, who you got for overall defensive mvp? Man?
- [59:57]
B
Right now, starting over, I gotta go with the man that's halfway to 20. My boy Myles Garrett. 31 tackles, 10 sacks, force fumble. And I think he's just on pace right now to get 20 sacks. So him doing that, him going out there hooping out. He's still on pace. Shout out miles with 10 sacks right now, you know, leading the league. I mean, it's just. He's just. He's just a beast.
- [60:22]
A
He's not leading the league. Dude. Leading the league got 11.
- [60:25]
B
Oh, we must have just played or something. Well, Miles is two and he deserves. Deserves to be one. That. That's why. That's why Miles. The game lasts 10 sacks, five and one. They trying to double and triple and pass.
- [60:40]
A
That's a little homer play by you, but I understand it.
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C
Oh.
- [60:45]
A
But my overall, I'm sorry, who you go? I have to go with Nick Bonito. That man has nine and a half sex, 20 quarterback hits, 32 total tackles, and his play is affecting the wins of his team. They are seven and two. Okay. And not only are they seven and two, they are number two defense in the NFL. Who's number three? Cleveland. Just under.
- [61:21]
B
We was just number one.
- [61:23]
A
Under 92 yards a game rushing, 180 passing. Okay, I got to give it to a guy who's play mvp. Not. But mv. My play is so valuable to my team. Most valuable player. His, though his play is stellar, has not been valuable enough to get them wins. That's why I would give it to Nick.
- [61:55]
B
I can respect that.
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A
Over.
- [61:59]
B
Over, over mine.
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A
Yeah. Who is your best overall defense?
- [62:07]
B
Are you asking me this?
- [62:09]
A
Do you? Do you.
- [62:10]
B
You know what I'm gonna say? You know who I'm gonna say?
- [62:13]
A
Debo. Yeah, go ahead.
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C
Why?
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A
Who and why?
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B
What do you mean why? What do you mean why? They were number one and all of a sudden they Must have just changed to three something, I don't know. But they were, they were number one. They've been hooping. The office hasn't been giving them anything that keeps them on the field. They're fighting for their lives. I'm going to say they're the number one defense and it just has to be. Sorry that we have the worst offense. So the Browns defense, number one, Miles Garrett, Denzel Ward, Del Pitt, the boys are balling. They've been balling all year. But it sucks when you can't. When you keep repeatedly being out there. So you need somebody. You scratch my back, I scratch your back.
- [62:52]
A
Okay.
- [62:53]
B
You know what I'm saying? You don't hear the Browns complaining about, oh, no, our offense isn't doing anything they're not doing. Even though.
- [62:58]
A
Well, I just want to say this.
- [62:59]
B
Even though they're not.
- [63:02]
A
I don't know how you drop in ratings on a bye week on the defense. I could see on offense, I don't.
- [63:11]
B
See how much me other, other defenses out, other defenses balled out and played very, very, very.
- [63:17]
A
But the Browns are number three now. The overall number one defense in the league statistically is actually Houston. Okay. Okay. I think that's where the, the, the, the numbers are. So with that being said, Houston is what, three and five? They lost, I think four of the five games. They lost by seven points or fewer, which to me I think says you may be the number one rated defense, but when it comes time to either stop or make game winning plays, you're not doing it. So again, I'm looking at Denver as the number two defense who is now a league best eight and two. Yeah. With five of their wins by four or fewer points. Okay. That's telling me. Wow. They made stops when they needed to make stops.
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B
Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
- [64:28]
A
They made plays when they needed to make plays.
- [64:30]
B
Yes, sir.
- [64:30]
A
Yes, sir. Just go with their numbers. They performed when the performance was needed. Unlike Cleveland.
- [64:36]
B
Nope.
- [64:37]
A
Nope.
- [64:38]
B
Denver's. Denver, second best defense in the league. You made a great point just now about that. Yep. Denver's second best defense in the league for sure.
- [64:45]
A
They are number two. But for me, they are the best defense in the league.
- [64:54]
B
Yep.
- [64:54]
A
Okay.
- [64:55]
B
No, I could. I look tit for tat tip. But I like them, like you said, being able to close out games. I mean, yeah, Browns, I don't think we've been. We've been in a couple situations where I think we could have closed it out, you know, when we was. Dang.
- [65:10]
A
Yep.
- [65:10]
B
The last joint in the end zone. We could have closed that out. Okay, so, yeah, that's the best defense.
- [65:16]
A
Just close that out and put that away.
- [65:18]
B
No, for sure. But, man, we've been in that situation where, you know, just so many times, but you got to do it if you want to be the best defense, the best defensive league, you got to do.
- [65:25]
A
Got one, and they all stink.
- [65:28]
B
Stop it, all right? I'm still going with us, Denver, respectfully, number two, but I love the way they close out games. We got to start closing, making sure we close them out.
- [65:38]
A
Oh, on. On another before we get out of here. Hey, man, they went on ahead and got a B. They. They. They. They got him back up in here. They extradited. I guess. I didn't buy. Got him back here.
- [65:49]
B
Got to be more careful.
- [65:51]
A
Got. Listen. Gots to be more careful, bro.
- [65:54]
B
Cause, yeah, man, that's.
- [65:55]
A
Yeah, that's.
- [65:55]
B
That's wild, Brody. You know, it's because it's all from the beginning when.
- [65:59]
A
Hey, did they give him bail? I think they gave him bail.
- [66:01]
B
They gave him bail, bro.
- [66:04]
A
I ain't gonna lie. I ain't. I ain't think they was gonna give him bail. Didn't he. Didn't he already take off one?
- [66:08]
B
No, no, no, no, no. I don't. They ain't giving bail yet for this one, because this was from. They gave him bail back in May when the thing originally happened, like, five, six months ago. So they gave him that bail, he paid the 10 bands, and now he'd been out Dubai ever since. So they kind of get him, and then they just extradited them back for that same jump.
- [66:26]
A
Boy, you out there tweeting posts and letting them know where you at, man, I've been quiet as a church mouse.
- [66:31]
B
My man Shay said, yeah, bro, that's. That's crazy. I hope. I'll pray a B and see what's up. But, you know, did you see the video back in the day or what? They. What, they talking.
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A
Yes. Yes, bro.
- [66:43]
B
Yeah, man.
- [66:45]
A
Like, what is you. It's already done and over with. Like, and you come back.
- [66:49]
B
Like, that's the.
- [66:50]
A
What.
- [66:51]
B
You can't come back, and then you can't come back.
- [66:54]
A
That's what.
- [66:55]
B
You can't come back. You out of there, because right now we're safe. Like, once they fought you, you felt like they tried to come take your stuff. Stuff, and then. Then everything broke up. All right? Now they're not trying to take your stuff. Okay? But it's just. Now it's the situation. It's a quick thing, boy. What you about to go do you could just be like, all right, they tried to get me. All right. I made it safe. We can all right next or go back in and trying to figure some more. Like that's just was the part once it broke down and then started going back left. Now it's like God damn in an instant, bro. Yeah, instant. You can't be on.
- [67:27]
A
Yeah.
- [67:28]
B
So we'll see. I hope I'm over the best, but yeah, that's crazy.
- [67:31]
A
Yeah, for sure. Hey, look here, man, we out of time. We want to thank you guys for joining us again on another episode of Debo and Joe. We gonna be back here on Monday. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing.
- [67:48]
B
Yo, please guys, man. We appreciate all the love we get on the show, man. Deep me you, we couldn't do this without you guys. Make sure you like. Let's get it and we out.
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C
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