Deebo & Joe - TNF REACTION: Lions COOK Cowboys + Trouble in Pittsburgh: Mike Tomlin on hot seat?

Summary

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Club Shay Shay – Deebo & Joe: TNF Reaction — Lions Cook Cowboys + Trouble in Pittsburgh?

Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Hosts: Deebo Harrison & Joe Hayden
Release Date: December 5, 2025
Episode Focus: Deep-dive reaction to Detroit Lions’ high-scoring win over the Dallas Cowboys, issues with Dallas’ special teams and Pittsburgh Steelers’ challenges, including speculation around Mike Tomlin’s future.

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Episode Overview

This episode features Deebo Harrison and Joe Hayden’s lively, play-by-play breakdown of the "Thursday Night Football" (TNF) game between the Detroit Lions and Dallas Cowboys—a statement victory for Detroit. The hosts dissect what went wrong for the Cowboys, especially on special teams, spotlight emerging Lions stars, and transition to a broad discussion about the state of the Pittsburgh Steelers, the scrutiny surrounding coach Mike Tomlin, and rumblings in the locker room. The episode closes with a spirited look ahead to key NFL matchups and fantasy picks.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Lions’ Statement Win over the Cowboys

• Scoreline: Detroit Lions 44 – Dallas Cowboys 30
• High-scoring, competitive game; not a blowout but decisive.
• Dominant offensive performance by the Lions with explosive playmaking and creative play-calling.

Key Sequence – Lions' Opening:

• “Detroit get out there and like that whole first series, they was just like play action... Gibbs gives the linebacker this shaky, shaky spin cycle.” – Joe Hayden [02:35]
• Noted Jameer Gibbs's shiftiness and role as a game-changer right from the jump.

Standouts:

• Jameer Gibbs: Impact in both running and passing game – multiple big plays, mismatches in the slot.
• Amon-Ra St. Brown & Jameson Williams: Dangerous receiving duo; highlighted for crisp route running and yards after catch.
• Special Teams: Detroit’s return team consistently set up short fields; Cowboys’ coverage units called out for "selling all night" [05:13].

Critical Plays & Boy, The Details:

• Early field goals by Detroit, record-long Lions kick (57 yards — “like nothing” [05:04]).
• Gibbs and Williams torch Cowboys’ defense on back-to-back chunk plays [11:17].
• Dallas’s defensive effort stymied repeatedly by missed tackles and blown assignments.

Turnovers & Momentum:

• “Points off turnovers. Points off turnovers. Yes. Easy money, quick tutty. 6 to 17.” – Joe Hayden [12:07]
• Ford’s forced fumble and Gibbs’ rapid response TD.
• Dallas plagued by penalties, missed opportunities (notably in red zone) and questionable referee calls (overturned safety).

Memorable Quote:
“Dallas special teams was selling big time. Like, they helped them tremendously. And then you add on top of it, you know, the three turnovers and not being able to convert in the red zone…” – Joe Hayden [31:57]

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2. Ref-Related Drama and Game Changers

• Disputed safety call: “The ball is clearly… that’s a safety for sure, dude.” – Deebo [06:23]
• Questionable “neutral zone infraction” with no flag; hosts vent about officiating eyesight [09:22]
• OPI (Offensive Pass Interference) debates: “You want that call, but normally you ain’t getting that call…” [28:32]

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3. Dallas Cowboys Breakdown

• CD Lamb Concussion Drama:
  CD should have been ruled out after head injury but re-entered, causing concern and conversation about NFL concussion protocols [13:09; 17:51].

• Offensive Struggles:
  Multiple field goal drives, inability to finish, and “self-inflicted wounds” with penalties at inopportune moments.

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4. Lions’ Emergent Identity & Outlook

• Offensive balance, effective use of play action, and special teams synergy.
• Praise for creative play-calling and relentless pace:
  “Detroit’s offense did a good job mixing it up… Their flow, the rhythm, like they were… able to do what they needed to do.” – Joe [32:00]
• Future matchups: With healthy tandem of Williams/St. Brown and RBs, the Lions are pegged as a tough out.

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5. Pittsburgh Steelers – Mike Tomlin on the Hot Seat?

• Hosts analyze Ben Roethlisberger’s comments about Tomlin possibly needing a ‘fresh start’ and whether college coaching (e.g., Penn State) could fit Tomlin’s skill set [37:19].
• Deebo: “Coach T can coach wherever he wants… but I don’t think he’d want to deal with recruiting kids.” [37:43].

NFL vs. NCAA Coaching Discussion:

• “It’s a different animal… Different landscape now…” – Joe [38:52]

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6. Steelers-Ravens Preview & Steelers Locker Room Tension

• Steelers’ up-and-down record against Baltimore; optimism about facing a wounded Ravens offense.
• Both hosts stress the need for the Steelers to:
  • Stop the run: Derrick Henry/Lamar Jackson tandem [41:00]
  • Avoid turnovers and manage the clock
  • Play physical, assignment-sound defense

Locker Room Controversy:

• Pat Freiermuth and Aaron Rodgers’ apparent contradiction over player meeting attendance raises eyebrows:
  • “If he’s saying that, that everyone shows up, then in essence he’s calling Aaron a liar… Not good, obviously… It’s getting messy.” – Joe [48:31]
• Points to potential internal unrest if losses continue.

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7. Fantasy, Power Picks, and Matchup Predictions

• Hosts review their “play or fade” fantasy selections for Sunday:
  • Joe bullish on Josh Allen and the Browns’ offense, picking over on Shadur Sanders/Junkins
  • Deebo jokes about “fading” picks, especially on Derrick Henry [60:29]
• Spirited banter about fantasy strategies and trust in playmakers.

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8. Other NFL Storylines

• Brief sidebar on Jerry Jeudy’s sideline spat with Shadour Sanders, media narratives, and how players handle negativity.

  • “If you gon’ give that energy to Shadour, give it to everybody else…” – Joe [55:34]

• Browns/Titans Preview:

  • Both hosts pick Browns to dominate; praise Myles Garrett’s DPOY campaign and predict offensive breakout [56:24]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Detroit’s Offense:
  “Gibbs was literally lining up in the slot, saucing people up.” – Deebo [09:13]

• On Cowboys Refereeing:
  “Ref need to get their vision checked. They gotta be 2020…” – Joe [06:47]

• On Concussion Protocols:
  “He was supposed to be out… That was the obvious concussion.” – Joe [13:09]

• On Football Integrity:
  “If you coming out here and you lackadaisical in your approach... when it actually ends up going your way, you’re not even ready to make the play.” – Joe [36:04]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Lions Opening Drive & Gibbs Highlight Reel: [02:35 – 03:24]
• Cowboys Special Teams Gaffes: [05:13]
• Debate on Safety Call/Officiating: [06:23 – 06:51]
• Lions Turnover, TD, Momentum Shift: [12:07 – 12:12]
• CD Lamb Concussion Incident: [13:09 – 13:26; revisited at 17:51]
• Ref Discussion, OPI No-Call: [28:17 – 29:10]
• Complete Stat Recap & Lions Playmakers: [32:00 – 33:29]
• Tomlin Hot Seat Discussion: [37:19 – 38:52]
• Steelers Locker Room Controversy: [48:31 – 50:02]
• Play or Fade Fantasy Segment: [59:15 – 61:47]
• Browns Big Game Prediction: [56:24 – 58:45]

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Tone & Atmosphere

• Lively, friendly, and unfiltered—Deebo and Joe riff like old teammates, mixing insider football IQ with sharp humor and unvarnished takes. They keep it real in both praise and critique, celebrating elite performances and calling out failures or questionable coaching.

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Takeaway

This episode offers an authentic, no-holds-barred football breakdown, spotlighting the Lions’ rise and Cowboys’ struggles while offering candid insights into the complex realities facing the Steelers—from the X’s and O’s to locker-room dynamics and coaching future. Whether you’re a stats obsessive, a fantasy player, or a fan of real athlete talk, Deebo & Joe deliver the goods.

Transcript

[Deebo Harrison]

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[Joe Hayden]

Welcome back to another episode of Deebo and Joe. I'm your host James Deebo Harrison and I'm here with my co host Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today, Joe?

[Deebo Harrison]

Brother Deebo. I'm doing great. My good brother. My brother in Christ. I had a great, great night watching some football, you know, so, yeah, the game, unbelievable game.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, no question.

[Deebo Harrison]

You know, like this is a high scoring game. So I know you kind of, you know, may not, I ain't gonna lie.

[Joe Hayden]

It was high scoring but I was still able to stick in there because it wasn't like just a straight out bl. It was interesting all the way to the end.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yes, yes, for sure.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, Dallas, Dallas went on out there and they tried their best, but they, they just didn't have enough to finish it off. Lions beat him. What was it? 44 to 30.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, so Detroit get out there and like that whole first series, they was just like play action. You know, the first play, except for the first play they went on here, just straight through it to St. Brown showing that he was good. That was seven. They get to, I think it was like third and three. And Gibbs gives the linebacker this shaky, shaky spin cycle.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Breaks off his ankles, you know, for a hot 19. And then again the. I think it was the next.

[Deebo Harrison]

The next one was the. The first one was the swing pass to him where he got crazy. Spin cycle, everything. And then the very next one, the check down to him. He's behind him.

[Joe Hayden]

Ugh.

[Deebo Harrison]

Dookie step turns around like just back to back plays. Getting the ball into his hands, bro. Gibbs went crazy.

[Joe Hayden]

I think the first one was the check down. I think the second one was the.

[Deebo Harrison]

Out was the swing.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, man.

[Deebo Harrison]

But look, whatever. Back to back he went plays.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. And they. I think it was second and four. They ended up dropping him for two. It was a loss of two. And then on that third down, they was. They was able to make it. Make it to make it to golf. They ended up settling for a field goal.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, Muhammad. That's when he started it. Muhammad's first sack of the day.

[Joe Hayden]

It was three nothing. Dallas, get out there. And then on the second and sixth, Pickens takes one for a nice little 11 yard gain. I think it was the first down. They ended up losing five.

[Deebo Harrison]

They did a little throwback. Yeah, that joint was looking a little crazy. He threw the ball behind the line of scrimmage. Trying to jump past that. Yeah, that was a. Not a good play.

[Joe Hayden]

The second and 15, though, he is Ferguson for 19 yards. Like, I was thinking they was gonna be able to hold up. They didn't. The next one, they really didn't. Didn't get too much thing. It was like a run. No incompletion on the first one. The second down was just one and then third down. Dude made a nice break on that.

[Deebo Harrison]

He did, he did. But this is one where it was a little bit noisy in there. Deebo, did you see my man George? It's a little noisy in there. He was going for the pick, both of em. And I saw a little alligator came off the joint kind of chilling. But I like. That was the first one. It was. It was definitely noisy. I could see my man Pickens kind of making a little bit of a business decision on that dig. Great play. It was a little noisy in there, but, you know, that.

[Joe Hayden]

That. I don't think that was the dig. I think that was the out, wasn't it?

[Deebo Harrison]

No, no, no. That was the dig.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[Deebo Harrison]

That was the dig.

[Joe Hayden]

All right. Yeah, they go. Yeah. 57 yard field goal on that one.

[Deebo Harrison]

57 yard field goal. Like nothing.

[Joe Hayden]

Like nothing. That wasn't. That wasn't even the longest.

[Deebo Harrison]

It wasn't even long for sure. He just warming up. Yeah, man.

[Joe Hayden]

And you know, Dallas Go ahead. Kick it off to Detroit. Man, Dallas special teams was selling all night, Dude. They let. They let dude return to. What was it? 40 yards to almost midfield.

[Deebo Harrison]

He was doing it all night.

[Joe Hayden]

All night, dude. All night. Like, all night.

[Deebo Harrison]

And the kicker, Aubrey, smacked him, though, on that return. I ain't gonna lie to you. The kicker went and got him some.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, Dallas defense was able to stand up a little bit. They. They pressured him into throwing the ball into the ground on the second down. And then the third down, I think St. Brown, he ended up tripping on that one. They almost had a pick if. Dude.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, that was good defense.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, good defense.

[Deebo Harrison]

Could have been a pick for show, but had to punt.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, they. They end up punting the ball. I think Dallas, they faked the. The fair catch that put them back, and then they had a holding that pushed them back even further.

[Deebo Harrison]

They had the double penalty.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, they had the double penalty. And then they get to third and four from. I think it was like the 10 or 11. And that gets sacked for a safety. That's the safety Debo Bruh, on review, they overturned it. He said the ball was clearly all the. No, it was.

[Deebo Harrison]

No, no. The ball is clearly, like. Soon as he starts crumpling, I'm like, that's a safety for sure, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. And before the dude hits him, he actually steps himself back further.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yes. To protect himself, to cradle the ball, which puts his whole body in the end zone.

[Joe Hayden]

Dude, the ball was sitting half and half. Then he said, clearly all the way out. There's no way you.

[Deebo Harrison]

There's no way you can say clear.

[Joe Hayden]

They needed ref need to get their vision checked. They got to be 2020. Like, that was 2020.

[Deebo Harrison]

That was terrible.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, that. That was. That was bad, man. They ended up punting the ball over to. To Detroit, and I think they ended up getting the ball close to midfield again. Like. Yeah, yeah, something like that. First down, little short. Little short thing to give. Second down, it was another seven that got. That got him the first. And then on the first down, they get that illegal shift where they tried to pass to the offensive lineman. Like.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, they sometimes. Sometimes they try to do a little bit too cute when everything.

[Joe Hayden]

They was getting cute right there. It was getting super cute right there. Second and 13 coming. That boy. St. Brown again, 26 to the Dallas eight.

[Deebo Harrison]

Brother, great play call. Way to. He widened the man up. You know what I'm saying? Stacked him up, widened them up, made some space on the inside. Great, though. Great route.

[Joe Hayden]

Next play, they do the reverse to Williams, he ends up stepping out at the. At the one. Next play, Gibbs finishes it off. It's three to. It's three to ten.

So Dallas comes back up out there, and first down, Williams gave him a nice run. Second down, he ends up con. No, he only got two on second down. So they ended up going to like third and one. And that completes like that one for the first. I believe the next third down is when cd he just breaks a tackle. He take it. What was it, 16.

[Deebo Harrison]

16?

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[Deebo Harrison]

They went 4 for 5. They went 4 for 4 on those third downs on this drive.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, like, they kept converting right after that. They converted two more. Two more, you know, two more first downs. Just basically staying ahead of the change. That's a sex rate thing, you know what I'm saying? They get to the first and 10, I think, on the Dall. What fit. No, sorry.

[Deebo Harrison]

On the 15 yard line. Yep.

[Joe Hayden]

And finally, you know, the defense decides. They go. They go stand up a little bit. They get to the third and 10 and they sack him.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yep. Muhammad, second sack of the day.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, dude, like, they're. They were. They were pressuring him all night, dude. They ended up having to settle for a field goal again. It's. It's 6 to 10 and Detroit gets back out there. And on the second down, they. False start. Yep. The next play, Gibbs gets, I think it was like 13.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, they put that man out at wide out.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. Hey, he was doing.

[Deebo Harrison]

He was doing work, bro. Wow. He was literally lining up in the slot, saucing people up.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, they get the incompletion on the third down. They. They going.

[Deebo Harrison]

That's the. But on that third down, Debo, they thought it was. He thought he had a false start. He thought he had a free play.

[Joe Hayden]

No question.

[Deebo Harrison]

I think he was in a neutral zone, but yeah, it's not neither here.

[Joe Hayden]

I told you, they visually got to get checked. Them boys ain't seeing Twinkie. Twinkie, baby.

[Deebo Harrison]

That was foggy.

[Joe Hayden]

Ain't seeing Twinkie. Twinkie.

[Deebo Harrison]

That was foggy. It was. The D tackle was in a neutral zone, in my opinion.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I would. Yeah, I would. I would. I would have to agree with you. Like, especially if you're saying just any part like that's.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, easy for sure.

[Joe Hayden]

And then the first play, Dallas get up out there and that his CD. I think it was like 37.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yep. 37, 38.

[Joe Hayden]

And then the next play, he throws a backwards pass that. You know, they actually gave a sack on that.

[Deebo Harrison]

Dude.

[Joe Hayden]

That was like a sack. Like they gave us Back on that with a, like with a backwards pass. And then I think what they lose that, like 15 or something.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, I think they lost 16. They lost 16 yards.

[Joe Hayden]

16. Okay. Yeah. Third and 21. He gets it to Ferguson and he fumbles.

[Deebo Harrison]

Rock, they punched that ball out.

[Joe Hayden]

No, held him up.

[Deebo Harrison]

Turning over.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I think Dallas get it at like what, the 50? Somewhere close around there. And then they go to first play and they get a holding penalty.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yep.

[Joe Hayden]

Then they get a false start.

[Deebo Harrison]

With a false start.

[Joe Hayden]

I think it's like second and like 17. Second and 19, something like that. And guess who Goff goes to.

[Deebo Harrison]

Jameis Williams. And this is one of the plays I'm talking about too. Did you see the route he took off on the ball? Like it's a fly, like it's a go. When you're a receiver, you gotta threaten. You gotta threaten them because James Williams, he's fast, he's faster than these DBs. So you better get on your horse and start hauling. And then once he sits it down.

[Joe Hayden]

Right.

[Deebo Harrison]

Deliver right on time. You can't stop because you're nervous to get taken up top. You'd rather him catch the ball coming back to the quarterback. But that's a 20 yard stop, you know what I'm saying? By that time, if he's not. If he's not selling it. DB's chilling, waiting on him to stop, man, you're not going nowhere. But he's in that phase.

[Joe Hayden]

As soon as he press him hard enough. Turn that hip. Soon as he turned that hip, that's his break in.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yep. Hit that for 24 yards. Cause he dropped it. He's throwing a 20 yard curl. And you're not expecting. Once you pass 15, 16, I'm thinking you're going to over route. You going deep, you trying to take me up top. That was beautiful. And that's some things that I said when Pickens just. Even if you're not getting the ball, you gotta sell fade for everything.

[Joe Hayden]

Take off last night.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, you got to.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I think it was that next second down. Montgomery bombs that thing 35 straight to the middle.

[Deebo Harrison]

I'm trying to tell you, dude, like points off, turnovers. Points off, turnovers.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Easy money, quick tutty. 6 to 17. Dallas actually goes and gets a nice return. But they get a holding call like that that ended up kicking it back. And then I think it was like second and five that hit CD again for like 20, 21, something like that. I think they ended up converting maybe like one more first down after that. And Then that next first down is when, you know, they got the B.

[Deebo Harrison]

When they did the PI to the end, they got the hands to the face call.

[Joe Hayden]

No, I'm talking about the next first dial when cd, He. He threw the incompletion to cd and he was supposed to be out.

[Deebo Harrison]

Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. He got to keep that in bounds.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no.

[Deebo Harrison]

What you think?

[Joe Hayden]

I think that was when he actually hit his head and was supposed to be out of game, bro.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yes, yes. Okay, okay, okay.

[Joe Hayden]

He is supposed to be out of the game, so keep that in mind. Okay. Because he went to the tent, all that, right? He went to the tent. He did all that. And you know how the tent go. You ain't coming about the tent. You was laying down there asleep. You.

[Deebo Harrison]

You. Your fingers was doing. Yeah. So you know you're out. You got to be. That was the obvious concussion.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, so second to 10. I think they ended up hitting Pickens for nine, which would have put him at a second and one, but this is where they got the face mask, which kicked them back to a second and 25. They can't overcome that. And you know, they end up again with another field goal. Yeah, it's nine to 17 now, and Detroit gets the ball back with 50 seconds, bro. Second down. Golf to Gibbs is 18. Yep. First down, they hit St Brown for nine. And then on third down and one, they get a PI that pushes them forward, I think another 13, 14 yards, they're able to kick a field goal. They lucky it wasn't more time on the clock, man.

[Deebo Harrison]

On the next play, when I mean, the rookie, the same one that got the PI, he lose his feet. He was out there, and sometimes, you know, in the deep as a db, I could see he was just a little. He was a rookie. He was nervous. He was getting cooked out there. They had him in a lot of man to man when he was trying.

[Joe Hayden]

To move your feet so fast, you ain't letting it hit the ground before you press off.

[Deebo Harrison]

Your adrenaline's catching yourself so fast, you can't even get your feet up under yourself. So when he ran the goalball, my man's feet just clipped. He just exploded in the air and fell. I was like, oh, my goodness. He gotta breathe. His feet is moving too much. His legs are heavy right now.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. They end up scoring before the half is nine to 20. Dallas comes back out there in the very first play. Dak is picked off that pick. Deflection.

Dude. That's on this one. He returns it to the 14.

[Deebo Harrison]

Can I tell you one thing about that play.

[Joe Hayden]

I am going to run him over.

My head on him, the linebacker. Yes. I'm gonna make him tackle me. I'm going to. I'm. Listen, you gotta put that boom on him. I'm gonna make him tackle me.

[Deebo Harrison]

You got to. You got to.

[Joe Hayden]

No, run into him.

[Deebo Harrison]

Run through. This your time. This your time? This your time? Yes. This is your time, Debo. I feel you 1000%. Can I speak on the play?

[Joe Hayden]

Go ahead, brother.

[Deebo Harrison]

This is cornerback. One by one on one. If you a db, you want the situation so bad. It's two by two.

[Joe Hayden]

The.

[Deebo Harrison]

The. The running back is offset to the. Off to the right of the running back of the quarterback. Once he sends it in motion and goes to a three by one, we call this full flow. Three by one, Full flow, full flow, backside slant. Every DB knows this. I love the way Robinson stepped off, gets a little bit inside, acts like he doesn't know of the slant coming. And this is when you know you have a safety over the top. And you play, you play that press out, you back up. Cause that's the route he runs. And then you got George Pickens over there, wide split on the backside of a four by one. There's 1,000% slant. So him reading tape, him being ready to film study. And then I'm looking at Dallas like, look, if dudes know what's coming in. If I know, I'm looking like, oh, my God, it's four on one. It's a slant coming. It's a slant coming. And I just was watching. Okay, get off. Don't let Dak know that you know it's a slant. That was just great plays by the defense and just route recognition.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, they returned it to the Dallas 14. I think it was only two plays later. What's the dude tasteling? Tesla.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yeah. I kept calling my man Tesla, but it's Tesla. Tessa, Tesla, Tesla.

[Joe Hayden]

To slide, to slide. 12 yard touchdown from God.

[Deebo Harrison]

Another rough day for the. For the rookie corner. Second man through his own. He's just looking. That's the way you got to take that. That's your man. He was having a difficult day. His legs was a little heavy out there.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, yeah. I mean, you gotta be like.

[Deebo Harrison]

It'd be like that. I've been in. I'm telling you that DB is not as tricky. I mean, when you playing a lot of man to man, you. You're exposed. You're not a defensive lineman just getting hit out of their hole every single play. And nobody know DB. You'll see that. You're gonna see your exposure.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. 20. Well, you can see it if they run on that rock, too. Now.

[Deebo Harrison]

You're right. You're right.

[Joe Hayden]

27 to 9. Now I think Dallas gets back out there, and it was second to seven. And how does CD Lamb get a ball for 32 when he wasn't supposed to be in the game?

[Deebo Harrison]

You think he. He's already a little. He's already.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, they ruled him out after that for a concussion, but he had already. He was concussed a series or two before that.

That's when they ended up. They ended up ruling him out. But anyway.

The next that. That first down, I think Williams gets a nice game for 11. Next play, it was a holding.

They got a penalty. And they get to it. I think it was fourth and five. They end up going for it. From the seven.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

From the eight or. It was at a nine. They. It was fourth and five. They ended up getting four and five.

[Deebo Harrison]

They got it because George, George, big hands, catch. Started getting.

[Joe Hayden]

Great catch, dude. Trying to fight for extra yards. He fumbles. The rock he got. They were lucky. They recovered it.

[Deebo Harrison]

Thank the Lord.

[Joe Hayden]

Because I think if they recover that, it's ugly during the end zone, it's over with, right? They get the rock. It's a touchback, right?

[Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[Deebo Harrison]

But they ended up getting that thing.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, they got the first.

[Deebo Harrison]

That was huge.

[Joe Hayden]

It was necessary. I think they ran it in on the second down.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yep.

[Joe Hayden]

Back to a game.

[Deebo Harrison]

27:16.

[Joe Hayden]

27:16. I think Detroit gets back out there. And again on the third and eight, Gibbs gives somebody to shake them.

[Deebo Harrison]

Brother. My man. Bland, too. It was just. You got to use the sideline as your friend, you know what I'm saying? He's running full speed. Back hip him.

[Joe Hayden]

He's running like he had more.

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[Joe Hayden]

Like 10 more yards of sideline over there.

[Deebo Harrison]

Run like they were in the middle of the field. Like he had a two way go, man. He's about to hit them breaks so hard and you couldn't break.

He just went straight. Full plank mode. Debo flew by and just stayed there too. I'm like, is he hurt?

[Joe Hayden]

Right? Yeah. So feelings? Pride. That was hurt. Only thing that was hurt with the pride. Go ahead, get on up, man. Second down, golf hits Williams for 16. After that, the defense is able to, to hold up. They attempt a field goal and get it locked.

[Deebo Harrison]

I was like, whoa, now we got a game.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, super.

[Deebo Harrison]

Now we got a real game.

[Joe Hayden]

Super game. They end up, I think it was like second down they, they pick up 18 with Fenoy. And then.

Second down they put, they got a holding.

[Deebo Harrison]

Then they got a holding penalty on second.

[Joe Hayden]

They got a hold on the last second and nine.

[Deebo Harrison]

Knocked it back to second and 19.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, and then they got the third nine. That was the offensive PI.

Huh?

[Deebo Harrison]

That was the legal pick by illegal pick.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, yep, yep, yep. They end up Having to settle for a field goal after.

[Deebo Harrison]

On that 3rd and 9 and 3rd and 19. They threw it to Pickens. He kind of jogged off. I didn't. He didn't really know. Was he running the go. Was he running dj? And then you see it.

[Joe Hayden]

You see it.

[Deebo Harrison]

You.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, it's. It's multiple times where you see him not really getting off the line. And like the one time Jack is like, yo, pressing like that's, that's the one right line and press him and turn off, you know?

[Deebo Harrison]

Yeah. Make him, make him, make him fear fade. You got to make the DB fear fade.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. And I think that's when your man.

[Deebo Harrison]

Hit the 63 yarder.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. Now they go, hey, I'm like 63.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. Easy money.

[Deebo Harrison]

I'll be the best kick in the lead, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh. Easily 19 to 27. Well, he got. Well, well, still. He's still. He's doing the indoor and outdoor, but it benefits when you on your home field.

[Deebo Harrison]

No, it do. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna punish him for that.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, you can't. Because a lot of them missing them indoors too. Yeah.

[Deebo Harrison]

Come on, man. But he's kicking in the turf.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. Detroit come out there. Montgomery, he take it the first two now, I think the first was a nine.

[Deebo Harrison]

The second straight downhill.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. And then they get an illegal formation and I think it was.

[Deebo Harrison]

What was it?

[Joe Hayden]

Golf? He got Williams again.

[Deebo Harrison]

Wasn't it like 30, 14 yard joint?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. I think Montgomery, he. He ran for like maybe two on the second. Yeah. They got a false start coming out.

[Deebo Harrison]

To the fourth quarter. Now we got the start of the fourth.

[Joe Hayden]

They get a false start there.

I think Montgomery goes maybe. What was it, 13.

And then.

[Deebo Harrison]

And they declined the offsides.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep. And then second down, he. I think he hits another one for about eight or nine.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yep. And then it's a holding, another holding.

[Joe Hayden]

Like they are trying to set themselves back.

[Deebo Harrison]

They giving them a chance to self inflicted wounds.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. They can't recover from it. They end up settling for the field goal. Just 30. 30 to 19 now. Yep. Yeah. Dallas comes out, brother. What was it? Three, four. Four plays, bro. Yep, four plays and scores a touchdown. The first down. Dax scrambles on him for 12. He didn't even look like he was trying.

[Deebo Harrison]

No, he was chilling. Just.

[Joe Hayden]

He just ain't. Ain't got the speed or the wheels.

[Deebo Harrison]

That is smart.

I make Jackson dart. Needs to watch that.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, he need to watch that. I was gonna say. I said he chilling.

[Deebo Harrison]

I got 60 million to work. Make sure, I'm good. I gotta. I got a long career.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. Yeah. Williams, he runs for. I think it was 12 yard. 12, something like that. Okay. And I think it was second and five, bro, for Noy. Detroit bust coverage. Don't know what was going on there. They let this man wide open. He go 42 yards.

[Deebo Harrison]

I, I lied to you. Now I think it was just man to man. I think he was just guessing. Honestly, I'm not thinking that's supposed to be safety help. Because once he saw and he looked back, that was like a damn. I'll guess wrong, you know what I'm saying? So he had to just get back on his horse, you know what I'm saying? That was just a.

[Joe Hayden]

He didn't get back on his horse.

[Deebo Harrison]

No, bro, you're beat. You're just looking back at that play, hoping it's a he dropped the ball.

[Joe Hayden]

Hoping he dropped. Listen, you look back, hoping he dropped the ball or they dropped it.

[Deebo Harrison]

Quarterback got hit or sacked. Because by this point, yes, for sure. I'm bombed. I'm bombed. I think that was a man to man.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, honestly, Dallas ends up going for a two point conversion. They converted. Now it is a game. Game. 3 point game. 27 to 30 and drive of the.

[Deebo Harrison]

Game right here, in my opinion.

[Joe Hayden]

Now look, driver of the game and. And the help of the game by like Detroit did their thing, but Dallas helped them.

Like you said, third and six. He hits Williams for what was like 29 plus.

[Deebo Harrison]

Also it starts with the kickoff for Turner.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, true statement, true statement, true story. Like I said, they were selling all night. They were selling all night. You get that third down and he completes it for the 29 plus. The roughing, the passer, you know, I think it was a. They was close, so only gave him half the density with 13 yards.

[Deebo Harrison]

I got a 13 yard line.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. And then I believe it was Gibbs on that second down, the right. Dude, the play before, they were like. Yeah, they've been bottling Gibbs up for the most part of the night. Very next.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, the very next play, right, For a hot.

[Joe Hayden]

For a hot 10, for a touchdown. It's 27 to 37 now, right?

[Deebo Harrison]

Yep, yep.

[Joe Hayden]

Man, Dallas get back out there. In the first play, they sacked this man again, they was. They was hitting him all night, dude, all night. Like for him to get as many yards as he did. Man, he did a good job. The very next down though, he hits your boy for noise for 20 again for Noid.

[Deebo Harrison]

Man, he stepped up when CD went down, he was out there pooping I did not know who Buddy was, but he was snagging the rock every time.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, no question, bro. He was doing. He was doing a real good job like you said. I didn't. I was with you. I ain't. I didn't really know who he was.

[Deebo Harrison]

I didn't know.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I know.

[Deebo Harrison]

It's not.

[Joe Hayden]

Now maybe like three more first downs after that. Yes. You know, really staying ahead of the chains, doing what they had to do. And then on. I think it was third and three.

[Deebo Harrison]

Is when it was download with the opi.

[Joe Hayden]

Of the opi. They declined it. It could have went the other way. I mean, I seen where you're talking about because he got the little hook on the little arm thing. He hooked the little thing and did a little twist.

[Deebo Harrison]

He did a little. It was as if it's me.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm. I'm.

[Deebo Harrison]

You want.

[Joe Hayden]

You want that. I want that call.

[Deebo Harrison]

You want that call?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[Deebo Harrison]

You want that call.

[Joe Hayden]

But normally you ain't getting that call.

[Deebo Harrison]

You're normally not getting it. Cuz he had a little bit. But like, you know, just. Just swing bys, blow bys, swing throughs, over the shoulders. Like if you had him rocking too much, you as a db, as a linebacker, you got to say a little bit more inside leverage. He had you rocking. So then like it's kind of more of a swing through. So I could see. I don't. I think he's. I think it's a bang bang. You let that play. If you let him do that. You know what I'm saying? I think you let the offensive player do that and then you let the db. He didn't really even hook him. He kind of like touched him then didn't really change his momentum. That's just a no call. I don't think you call, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

He went to the ground. He was about to go to the ground. That's why he had to hook him. That was enough to throw him off. Brother. I gotta go with it, man. Listen, they gotta settle for the field goal. It's the right call, baby.

I'm okay with that on the defensive side. No.

[Deebo Harrison]

He grabbed him. He grabbed him. He's grabbed him. Debo, look at me. I'm changing. I'm a corner. I feel you. I need to be alone. I'm with you.

[Joe Hayden]

Right?

[Deebo Harrison]

It was Opi.

[Joe Hayden]

Opi all day. Detroit got do. I think they had the Detroit 11. So they. They settled for a field goal. 30 to 37, still a one, still a one score game. And again, return game. They sell Kennedy goes 42 yards this.

[Deebo Harrison]

Time to the 49 yard line. Brother, stand at midfield.

[Joe Hayden]

Second and N. Goff hits St. Brown. And this man goes 37.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yep, the beautiful play.

[Joe Hayden]

The man they been keeping bottled up supposedly strikes out again for 13 for a touchdown.

[Deebo Harrison]

Boy, I thought that. I thought that was almost a submission defense. I thought they almost like, let him score. That's what it looked like, how easy it was.

[Joe Hayden]

Bro, I'm not about to let you score up me. We already down.

[Deebo Harrison]

I'm just saying.

[Joe Hayden]

We gonna be down. You down 14. Now it's 30 to 44.

[Deebo Harrison]

He almost walked in the end zone. I'm just saying, it looked. And they might not have been trying to let him score, but it looked rather easy.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I mean, hell, Dallas only got the ball with like, what, 210 left? And then they go to the fourth. They get to the fourth, down to 10. They say they didn't get it. They reversed that room they got.

[Deebo Harrison]

He right.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, he was on it. Yeah, that's no question. I think first down, Dak Hits Turpin for 21. And then Ferguson again, I think it was 15.

Dak gets sacked by Muhammad. Come on, man, you know. And then second down. Yo, how did Reed get that? That's the craziest. I don't know what.

[Deebo Harrison]

My man dj. I love DJ Reed. We worked out together out in la. Great, great dude. He hits me up, you know, I'm saying. And like, that's my. One of my young bulls love him to death. He had a tough day out there and he deserved that pick. He needed that pick.

[Joe Hayden]

He needed that.

[Deebo Harrison]

He was out there and a lot of man to man. Hey, you playing out there, man.

[Joe Hayden]

And it was. They was going at him too.

[Deebo Harrison]

Now they was going smack at my boy. But, you know, they putting him in, man, was versus cd. It could be tough out there. A lot of single high. So, yes. I was so happy. Got that pick, was able to close that thing out. Rough day with a pick. Ends it up, y' all win. You know what I'm saying? Ends up with a good day. Dj.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, Dallas. Well, Detroit, they nail it out. It's over with.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

So Detroit, they did a good job. But I'mma say, this dude, Dallas special teams was selling big time. Like, they helped them tremendously. And then you add on top of it, you know, the three turnovers and not being able to convert in the red zone, I think they were only one of three. They ended up losing cd. And on top of that, the offensive line couldn't protect Dak, you know, obviously Detroit gets credit for that because the defense stepped up. I think they had five sacks, five sacks total, 11 times. You know, Detroit's offense did a good job mixing it up. Like, like the timing, their. Their flow, the rhythm, like they were, you know, they were able to do what they needed to do. Gibbs was only 12 or 43, but that was three touchdowns. He also had another seven receptions for 77. Then Montgomery was 6 of 60, 10 a hit. He got a touchdown. For the most part, the offensive line kept Goff clean. That allowed him to go, what, 25 or 34 for 308, for 308 and a touchdown. 309.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yep.

[Joe Hayden]

And Williams seven for 96. St. Brown, six for 92. Like, it's going to be very difficult for people to cover both of these guys and have them on the field together with the, you know, the double running back combination. When these guys are healthy, dude, like, facing this team is. It's going to be hard.

[Deebo Harrison]

And Detroit didn't even go for it.

[Joe Hayden]

On 1 4th down.

[Deebo Harrison]

No, they did not.

[Joe Hayden]

Thank you.

[Deebo Harrison]

They did not. They did a great job of making sure.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, maybe they didn't learn.

[Deebo Harrison]

Let's punt the rock.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[Deebo Harrison]

Ain't nothing wrong that won't hurt. It was not like a. Let's not turn over the ball and put on.

[Joe Hayden]

And look what your special teams did for you.

[Deebo Harrison]

Special teams, that was a overall team performance. I wouldn't say. I would say their defense still didn't play as great. They put them in a lot of tough positions. There's a lot of manto man to.

[Joe Hayden]

Be played out there.

[Deebo Harrison]

So you're depending on your D line. You need Muhammad, you need Hutchinson to be able to get after that quarterback. So I think with Branch getting hurt, you know what I'm saying, that's going to be a little tough. They need everybody. They have DJ Reed, he could play a little bit. He had a tough game, you know what I'm saying? But that's a lot. That's man to man on cd. They're asking a lot of you. So being able to stand up. My man Robertson, he's a great. I love the way he played. Being able to be smart, being able to make those plays, being able to understand situational football. Oh, it's four by one. It's flow. I'm going to line off. I'm going to be able to act like I don't know what's going on and be able to make a play here. Punching the ball out. Campbell, you Know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

So, yeah, don't let him read your mail. Like, don't let him read your mail. Yes. I think a lot of the time guys don't, you know, get into that, that, that focus. And sometimes like you said, as a, as a corner, you could do it by yourself a lot of the times out there by disguising. But when you're trying to disguise and you're a linebacker or you're someone that's in coordination with someone that's going to be taking your coverage, you got to make sure they on the same page as you. So that when you're out there, you know, like I said, sitting on two, making like you covering it, make sure your safety date. And when he sees you take off, let him roll up, you know, that way the quarterback has less time and now he got to read it on the run. Yep.

[Deebo Harrison]

The Lions, man, it just, the Lions offense, they had a little bit of everything too. Like you said, you had both running backs that can run the ball so well, they can catch it out of the backfield. Then you have Jameson Williams, you have Amaras Brown, you have all.

[Joe Hayden]

He was supposed to be out.

[Deebo Harrison]

He was supposed to be out. He's not. He's catching bang eights. You know what I'm saying? Right on time. And when you run those play actions, they mean something because St. Brown, I mean because Gibbs could be running that. Gibbs could be getting a handoff, Montgomery could be getting that handoff. So when you play actions that linebackers coming up, it's open down the middle of the field. And these receivers, Jameson Williams running good routes, taking off like it's a go route. I didn't see him really lolly gagging, you know what I'm saying? So like these dudes are running every play.

[Joe Hayden]

You gotta, you gotta give it a hundred. Especially you know, when you're talking about every person. No matter what your job is, your job is built off of somebody else being able to do their job correctly. And if you coming out here and you lack today's go in your approach because you don't think something is going to go your way and you don't get a effort that you need to now when it actually ends up going your way, you're not even ready to make the play or able to.

[Deebo Harrison]

You gotta every play, man. You just gotta get. You gotta get it. And then like with them too, the special teams, Deebo, my man, Tom Kennedy. If you don't have to go 80 yards, it makes it a lot easier to make A drive a lot quicker, you know what I'm saying? A couple runs, couple first downs. We're already in field goal range, you know what I'm saying? So that whole team being able to put themselves in good positions, the special teams, like we said, the Cowboys sold. But that dude, Tom Kennedy, he was hitting those joints every time they was at the 50 yard line. You starting from the 50, you damn, they got points. Especially when you got the weapons that he got.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. Yeah, dude.

I think we go. We're gonna. We're gonna get to my. We're gonna get to my Stillers. But before that, we said Ben on his. On his podcast, he said it's time for a Foster. I think we got it. Can. We got the video. Yeah.

[Deebo Harrison]

Maybe a fresh start for him is what's best. Whether that's in the pros, whether maybe.

[Joe Hayden]

Go be Penn State's headco. You know what he would do in Penn State? He'd probably go win national championships.

[Deebo Harrison]

I legitimate.

[Joe Hayden]

Because he's a great recruiter.

[Julian Edelman]

That's what I said.

[Deebo Harrison]

Was I having a con.

[Joe Hayden]

We probably.

[Julian Edelman]

Or I was having this conversation the other day. I'm like, Coach T in college would be one of the greatest college football coaches.

[Joe Hayden]

What do you think? You agree with that?

[Deebo Harrison]

I believe Coach T can coach wherever he wants. He's a great. In my mind, I think he could. I think he would be a great recruiter. But at the end of the day, I don't think Coach T is wanting to deal with kids and go, and, dude, you got.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, you're doing a lot of.

[Deebo Harrison]

And do all of that stuff. I think Coach T's been dealing with grown men, you know what I'm saying? Being able to. You know what I'm saying? You control what you can control. That's the one thing I do love about Coach T. He does treat you like an adult, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

And you think he can win a championship at Penn State?

[Deebo Harrison]

I don't. I don't put it past him with his coaching ability. If he wants to do it, I think he could definitely do it. I just think personally for Coach T, I think he could be able to still go to another NFL team in a great situation. Like Andy Reid. He left the Eagles.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, no question, dude. If they were to let him go today, he'd have a he for sure.

[Deebo Harrison]

There's no disrespect.

[Joe Hayden]

The sun was down.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, a thousand percent. But I. I think. I think you could do it. I just don't know if he would Want to. And just all the other nuances that come with recruiting kids and, like, having to do the main thing and keep continuing to recruit him. I think he's more.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, it's a. It's a different. It's a different. Different animal right now, dude. It's. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think?

[Deebo Harrison]

You think a different animal?

[Joe Hayden]

I don't. I don't be honest with you. I think he could be. He could be successful for sure. But how successful that could be? Dud. The. The background to change. Like, you, you know, you get a player and he doesn't. You know, he doesn't like what's going on in year one, year two, he can be gone, he can go transfer, you know what I'm saying, and be out of there. And so, I mean, it's just. It's a different. You know, it's a different landscape. And, you know, I. I would definitely not want to be in college football, especially at the, like, big levels, even the small levels, because you're going to lose. Like, if you're at a smaller D1 and you get a guy, you know, and you. You build him up, you're going to.

[Deebo Harrison]

Lo than them for the Texas.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, that's. That's just, you know, that's just what it is now in this, you know, in this landscape, so. But the Steelers are playing the Ravens now. Listen. Yes. No, I said. I know I said I lost hope.

[Deebo Harrison]

But I can't help but hope. I don't know why.

[Joe Hayden]

So I do know why.

[Deebo Harrison]

I do. Because you love it.

[Joe Hayden]

Historically. We do play the Ravens well. Okay. Like minus the last. The playoff game and, you know, maybe the last game we played them in, 2024, you know, if you look back, I think go to maybe 21. I think we're like six and two regular season.

[Deebo Harrison]

Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

At six and two regular season. Like, we play well against Lamar for the most part. So that's what that. That's. That's one of the things that. That gives me hope. And then the way the Ravens offense has been playing the last few weeks, I feel like we can win this game, but the defense has to stop the run. Like, we have to stop Derrick Henry and Lamar. And.

I just feel like right now, you know, is. They're. They're not playing too well, so I think we got an opportunity, but we also better be prepared to face the formation that the Bills ran on us in and do the exact same personnel, because this is a copycat league. And if that is not fixed, I promise you they're going to run that at least a half a dozen times before they go away from it because this is going to be a lot harder to tackle Derrick Henry coming off like that than it is with cooks and you got a DB trying to tackle there. It ain't about getting attacked. We might lose the DB dude. Like and if they don't do it, like if, if the Ravens don't even try it or do it, that that got to be like neglect by the coaches if they don't at least try because you just seen them do it 20 plus if not 30 times.

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[Joe Hayden]

And again, the offense can't turn the ball over and we have to have some sort of success on the offensive side. Rather it's running passing. We have to find a way to.

[Deebo Harrison]

You bringing up the offense.

[Joe Hayden]

We got to find a way to win. Time of possession, bro. We got to. We got it. We got to at least try and get the defense some time to rest.

[Deebo Harrison]

Debo, you're acknowledging the offense exists.

[Joe Hayden]

I have to.

[Deebo Harrison]

I appreciate this. We have to, though. We have to. You know, we have to. Because I'm hoping the same thing. I'm hoping the same thing. I'm thinking with the defense understanding Lamar Jackson is not 100% right now. You know what I'm saying? He isn't being able to. He doesn't. Even if he doesn't choose to, he's not running the ball the way that he was running the ball normally. Like taking off, being able to get it. Not saying that he can't. But we need to make sure that we.

[Joe Hayden]

But we got to make sure we don't have that same game plan that we had in the playoffs where we got our outside linebackers crashing down and trying to get to a dive and you leaving Lamar and one on one with the sake. That's not going to happen. Every. That's not.

[Deebo Harrison]

No, that's not. I understand. We need to. I understand with the, with the schematics that you're talking about, we can change. We can switch that up. But I'm just saying we need to still go eight in the box. There's not. I'm not liking them. Make them have to beat us with the pass game through the air.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[Deebo Harrison]

Cover threes single player. Make Lamar be the student air. Make defense contained rushing lanes. Don't let him get in and out. They're not really going to be out there beating us man to man, one on one or if they do. I like. I like it. Let's do it.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm taking. Yes, I'm taking that.

[Deebo Harrison]

I'm taking that all day.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm putting. I'm putting eight in the box.

[Deebo Harrison]

We don't want to see Derrick Henry and them when we get down. We want to win first down, win second down. They're third longs. I like to see them pass the ball and we contain Lamar in there and make it fold in the pocket. Let's do that. If that's the case, I like us to go out there and win. Then you said offense too. Don't turn the ball over. Be able to get some run game going. You know what I'm saying? Get the ball to Washington, get some. Get the ball to dk. Once you get that run game going, those play actions will work. Bang. Hit it in the middle. We have Washington, we have dk. Let's use them. Let's get the ball to gain well's hands like offense, like you said. Matriculate. Don't turn it over, don't hurt us. You know what I'm saying? Just make sure. You know what I'm saying? Keep it tight. It's going to be cold, it's going to be wet, it's going to be sloppy. So time of possession, being able to just have the ball, keeping it out of their hands, you know what I'm saying is going to be good. So ugly. Win. Just go out there and win. Nobody's looking for a pretty win, but we just know we don't want the ball to be getting ran down our throats where they just walking it down and there's nothing we could do, right? It's first and 10, now it's second and three. Now it's another first down. Now it's like you can't get your feet under you, you know what I'm saying? So even with them like us two Debo, if they're coming out in 11 personnel bump it. We're still going base because hey, we gotta that third receiver, they got.

Safety gonna cover him something, but we're not gonna print another little guy. We want to stop the run and then we gonna be able to cover them with our three DBs that's out here or our other strong safety that's in the box. We're not just going to have so many little bodies in another nickel. No, no, because he's going to get thrown out the club. And we wonder why. Why so many gaps. No, you got to be able to maintain.

[Joe Hayden]

They're not used to having to come in down and fill into the line like that's not. That's not what they. You know, that's not what they do. Yes, on occasion, but if it's not getting the same play, what, 30 times.

[Deebo Harrison]

30 times, you're going to have to get a stop.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on.

[Deebo Harrison]

We're going to have.

[Joe Hayden]

We got to get that stop, man. And like you said, the offense has to do something. But I guess Pat Friarmoo said that everyone shows up for For a film session. What do you. What do you. What do you. What do you think of him saying that? So now my thing is this. If he's saying that, that everyone shows up, then in essence he's calling Aaron a liar. And how do you think that is going to. How you think Aaron is going to take that? You know, when it really comes down to it, like, so when the media goes to Aaron, he's like, well, you know, Pat said that everyone shows up. So you're either wrong or you're lying.

I know Aaron Rodgers ain't gonna be talking about, like, I'm lying or I ain't going. Like, I don't know why Aaron would say it if it wasn't true. And I don't understand why Pat would come out and say that what Aaron said wasn't true. Like, right now, you could have an issue in the locker room, dude, I Like, this is not. Again, when I say early in the season, dude, I was like, as long as they're winning the relationship with the Steelers, Mike Tom and Aaron Rodgers, it's going to go. It's going to go good. The relationship with Aaron Rodgers and Mike Tom still go good. Right now we're at a point where this could start going bad. And now we got some deception right here. We got one person saying one thing, another person saying something else. You know, I think. I think it could start to get ugly. You know, you drop this game, who knows what, you know, the presser looks like. What do you. How do you feel about. About Friarmouth coming out and saying that? And what's your. What's your thought? What do you think?

[Deebo Harrison]

I think. I don't think Aaron Rodgers is lying about people missing the meetings. I think the Fire Move is saying that. I mean, I think if a rod were to respond, it would be. I ain't say you. It wasn't you.

[Joe Hayden]

Fire Move.

[Deebo Harrison]

You were in the meetings. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't think he's just directly talking to him.

[Joe Hayden]

He didn't say. He said everyone shows up for film sessions. That is his. He said everyone shows up.

Well, like, he was directly talking to the media when they. Everyone shows up for film sessions.

[Deebo Harrison]

Unless everyone shows up. He's saying, maybe. I don't know. I would hope. I don't know. I think he was saying, like, everyone shows up now. I don't think. I just don't think Aaron Rodgers would lie about people missing the meetings. And I would just think Fire Move is trying to.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, and what were we Talking about early in the season where the Dolphins were talking about they were having meetings. Look where we at now. And then someone says they're not having the meetings. Now you got people pointing fingers. Yeah. Now you pointing at me. You pointing at me. Who.

[Deebo Harrison]

Like, yeah, it's, it's, it's not, it's not good, obviously.

But yeah, I mean, I, I, it just, it's just, it's just messy. It's messy because it makes an answer about who are you talking about? Then he says, everyone's showing up. I don't know. It's just for me, you know what I'm saying? What was the question? Ask the fire. Move. Is he like bringing up. They was like, hey, who's this? Is everyone not showing up to film sessions? And if I was like, no, everybody's showing up to film sessions. It's like, then it's the next question. Well, A Rod said people aren't showing up to film sessions. Like, it just makes more and more questions.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, it's going to. Yes, it's going to get right. It's going to get messy. You know, like, we don't, we're not doing well on offense. And that's a combination of, I think more O coordinator than anything else. And then players not making plays when the opportunities hit, you know, present themselves. You know, you go and you look at Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers and their stats are similar. Do we got the stats for them, too? From like their, their stats are, are similar, brother. And then even if you jump back, dude, and you look at, you look at Justin Fields, I think Justin Fields had only started maybe like six games or something. But again, quarterback rating was like a 93, 94 or something like that. 1100, 1200 yards, offense, quarter got to go. What you running ain't working. Everybody looking the same. We got three quarterbacks, everybody looking the same in the same time frame with the same amount of games.

[Deebo Harrison]

And then look, 11 games is not a small.

[Joe Hayden]

It's right.

[Deebo Harrison]

It's not like a little bit of games.

[Joe Hayden]

And like I said the same thing. You look at, you look at, look at Justin fields. He had 6, 11, 1200 yards, 93, 94 quarterback rating. We're looking at the same thing.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, they got it. Yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's the same. That's the same. And they're not the same, man. That's the play call. And we got to open up the playbook. We got to have people like when you, when I was watching the game the other Day like when we were watching the Lions and you're watching the. And you're watching the Cowboys. Just the playbooks. Do you see them going downfield? Dak still do for. Even though we threw one picking. It was 370 something. You know what I'm saying? Awesome. Chill. And my man golf through for 309. Like very, very efficient. 25 completions. 309. It's not like. And that's just another day of the offense. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

They're throwing the ball down the field. I don't. And every quarterback is doing the same thing. Three different levels of quarterbacks now. There's no way you're going to tell me we just got bad players, black quarterback play, bad offensive. All that. And everybody's looking the same. Under the same.

[Deebo Harrison]

Come on. It's a lot of. It's a lot of route tree. Because you look at them too. You see Jameson, these dudes running different routes. You see Amara St. Brown, right?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. We're running on the outside of the field. We. I think we are allergic to the middle of the field. Is something in there that. I don't know. Somebody go catch the cooties or something. I don't know. I don't know what's going on, brother.

[Deebo Harrison]

And I think they may not be respecting our play action because you gotta think that they're going to run it first.

[Joe Hayden]

You can't respect the play action if you're not running the Boss 1000.

[Deebo Harrison]

That's why the back's not open. So you gotta. Yeah, we just gotta stop.

[Joe Hayden]

That's not gonna happen. Let's get over here to Cleveland, man. We got. We got. We got some sound on what. What Jerry Judy said you got that. Play that video for us, please.

[Deebo Harrison]

Probably taught him off camera. You know that part. What I would have done different, you know, of course I'm speaking mind and tell me what. And say what I need what I see out there. But you know, you know, here what it is. Football and man, just me and Shadow are good. You know, it's. Stuff like that happens. You know, y' all gonna make it bigger than what it is, you know, because the media, you know, and that's what y' all feed off of negativity, you know. But it is what it is. This is the. The life you live. So, you know, we move on from it. Not living real life, you know. So what happened around in this locker room, you know, this real.

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[Deebo Harrison]

Not what's going on on social media and everything. So me And Shadow. Good. Everything good. Man, we gravy over here.

[Joe Hayden]

How you like that response.

Jojo?

[Deebo Harrison]

I hear you. I'm thinking.

[Joe Hayden]

You thinking.

[Deebo Harrison]

How you like that response, Debo?

[Joe Hayden]

I like the response. I ain't gonna lie to you. Like, I ain't got no problem with it. I ain't. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's just saying he would have approached it differently. I mean, he's not really thinking that the cameras is looking. Ain't nobody thinking the camera's looking at you when you're talking to somebody on the sideline. Y' all going over what's. You know, what's going on. And the big issue that we had was just, if you go get that energy to Shador, give it to everybody else. He just said, yo, I should have did it differently. Cool. But again, I understand. Yes. The media over there. Their media. Yes. They're trying to make a big deal of everything. Them dudes just looking for clickbait and everything else.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

The him saying it. Yeah, you might. You ain't have to say it. You could have just left it going and just been like, yo, yeah, I'll handle it different next time, or blah, blah, blah, and left the media out of it and don't even give them any. Give him any attention.

[Deebo Harrison]

Yep. I. I'm not mad at all at the way that he handled it. It's just, I think that he realized, too, at the end of the day, like, you're losing games, people are always going to try to pick the negativity from us outside perspective. I like to start doing this because I really want to give just an honest opinion. Like, I don't give a damn what, like, the bad, the good. I just want to be able to speak.

[Joe Hayden]

Well, you giving honest opinions, though. Give me your honest opinion on this Tennessee Titans Browns game. What you. What's the preview? Tell me.

[Deebo Harrison]

I like the Browns 1000%.

[Joe Hayden]

1000%.

[Deebo Harrison]

1000%. I think that this is going to be a big game for the Browns. Tennessee's offense isn't doing too well. Ward is not out there with the most weapons with a lot of help. I think our defense is going to be out there smothering Ward. He's not going to have too many, too much of a chance. Like, Miles might go get him three. You know what I'm saying, Denzel? Ward might get him a pick. It's just going to be a lot.

[Joe Hayden]

Of miles at 19, right?

[Deebo Harrison]

Miles at 19. Miles at 19.

[Joe Hayden]

He get 25. He could be a 25 you're saying.

[Deebo Harrison]

You trying to get you one miles. Go get six.

[Joe Hayden]

I want to go get six.

[Deebo Harrison]

I know he's going to at least get three.

[Joe Hayden]

If he miles, you don't get six. You ain't. You ain't to do it. I thought you would, baby.

[Deebo Harrison]

You're see that's that you trying to get him going. Thank you, Debo. I like that. I like that.

[Joe Hayden]

Give him some. I like seeing. I like seeing Savage. I like Tennessee. Defense is not good, dude. I think they're like 25th. Wow. The offense makes them look way better. They're dead last. All the defense need to do is keep doing what they doing.

The offense needs to just have success. Like this right here is the team that you need to actually help you improve. Like there.

[Deebo Harrison]

This could be dead last.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, listen, I'm trying to tell you. I think this is the game where Shador goes ahead and has him a nice game. Of course you do. Junkins Jenkins. Junkins Jenkins. Whatever. He go get. He go get him 100 plus.

[Deebo Harrison]

Got to like, it's set up.

[Joe Hayden]

It's perfect. Like, it's gonna be probably. This could be the best game the Browns have had in the last I don't know how many years, man.

[Deebo Harrison]

It's set up for it. It's set up for success. It's set up for us to really go out there and ball out. I'm just hoping too, like the offensive. Like, it starts with the offensive line. It starts with the offensive line on the offensive line, defensive line. I know our defense gonna hoop, but on the offensive side, if our offensive line can get going, protect your door a little bit. And at the same door we got to make.

[Joe Hayden]

Dude, the defense is not. They. They should be able to. That's what I'm trying to tell you.

[Deebo Harrison]

Defense going. The defense gonna do it. I'm just saying for the office.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm talking about the offense. Their defense is. Is what, 24, 25. Dude, it's set up for them to have a successful game. Like this is go go this time.

[Deebo Harrison]

I believe this game.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[Deebo Harrison]

I think this game gonna be a good one, bro. It's gonna be a real good game, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

It's going. It's going to be a good one. I'm trying to tell.

[Deebo Harrison]

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[Joe Hayden]

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[Deebo Harrison]

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[Joe Hayden]

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[Deebo Harrison]

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[Joe Hayden]

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[Deebo Harrison]

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[Joe Hayden]

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[Deebo Harrison]

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[Joe Hayden]

Should do for more. I think this gonna be the game that should. Don't go ahead and get him 200. He gonna get him 200 passing. Okay, you're gonna get into it. Listen, junkin's going for a buck and some chains. I got them two for Mo. That's gonna be easy. And I ain't gonna lie to you. I'm hoping I lose this. I got. I got Derrick Henry for Mo. For Mo 82. I got him for Mo. D. I got him for Mo. I'm saying he go around for a buck and some chains. What you go do? Stand up, Drop your nuts.

Hey, man, that's crazy. You gonna fade this Joe, man.

[Deebo Harrison]

Debo, I.

Am. I am. I am. I messed up if I. If I am. Like, it's just the bottom one. You really feel. You really feel like that's gonna happen or is this you playing mind games?

[Joe Hayden]

I feel like it's gonna happen.

[Deebo Harrison]

I can't.

[Joe Hayden]

How many times ain't he got a hunted against us that he played? I think it's only once.

[Deebo Harrison]

Should I play? Should I fade? I love everything about this except for the last one.

[Joe Hayden]

Why you go fade me then, Joe? Tell me why, Joe?

[Deebo Harrison]

Because I believe that they know. That's the only re. That's the. That's the only way we gonna stop the run. The only way we gonna beat the Ravens. Cause we gonna stop the run.

[Joe Hayden]

You go fade your boy.

You fading your boy.

If. Just say it, Joe.

[Deebo Harrison]

I'm a fade you, Debo. I'm a fade you, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

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[Deebo Harrison]

Look, I'm afraid you, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

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[Deebo Harrison]

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[Joe Hayden]

Tell your mama, your papa, everybody. Joe done faded me. Who you gonna go with, me or Joe?

[Deebo Harrison]

Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Joe. 50 in line. That's after your first five dollar lineup. Let's get it. Hey, man, look, we in the super chat. Hey, Covenant Life back.

Oh, I don't even know one. Read with company Life to see the life trip. Hey, we appreciate you now. We appreciate you. Okay. It says, Debo, you are alliance when I was fighting triple state triple when I was fighting stage three breast cancer. Your workouts helped? No, I didn't do them. But in my mind I knew I had to push and fight and use you. And just as you were doing, lifting all those weights, Joe, you are just a person of great class. You're just a person of great class, Joe.

[Deebo Harrison]

Thank you.

[Joe Hayden]

Thank you. Hey, we really appreciate you. I hope, you know, I hope everything turns out right. I'll be praying for you. Prayers first and foremost. Joe and myself, we'll be praying for you for sure. Yes. Yeah. Hopefully everything will turn out right and, and you know, just put it all in God's hands and you, you can't.

[Deebo Harrison]

Go wrong there, man, for sure. Appreciate you coming in life. Always stay prayed up and. Yeah. Appreciate you for watching the show though. Real talk, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Thank you guys for joining us again on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you guys hit the like and subscribe button. We will be back here on Monday.

[Deebo Harrison]

Joe, come on, man. I just want to let y' all know. Thank you guys for joining the Debo and Joe show. We appreciate it. Just continued blessings. If you guys keep watching us, man, it means a lot. Thank you so much and we'll see you guys on Monday.

[Joe Hayden]

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