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James Debo Harrison
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James Debo Harrison
Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line, but first, there, the last one. Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes. Welcome back to Deebo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison. I'm here with my co host, Joe Hayden. Hey, please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today, Joe, bro?
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Joe Hayden
I'm doing good, brother. Debo. Another day talking to my good man, chopping it up about this good football. How you doing, brother?
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James Debo Harrison
I'm doing. I'm doing extremely good, man. Extremely good. Let's go ahead and jump on to this, man. The Patriots went on ahead and beat the jets. Was that 27 or 14? I ain't lied to you, brother. I didn't think it was gonna be that close.
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Joe Hayden
Me either.
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James Debo Harrison
I'm absolutely surprised, 100%. Especially with, you know how started off like they won the toss and actually was like, yo, we taking the ball. We about to go. We about to go run this ball and do what we got to do and score, dude. And they come out the gate. First play, they go ahead, hit it quick for six. Second one three, they got third and one. You know, they really just staying ahead of the change the whole time. They get 11. I think Fields end up scrambling the next play. Yep. And I think he scrambled again for like 15 or something.
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Joe Hayden
Yes, bro. He was using his legs. Him and Bryce Hall.
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James Debo Harrison
Yeah, yeah. The next third down, I think was like third and five. Like I said, they kept everything close. They ended up picking up that hot little seven, you know, and then, I don't know, the. What was that? The receiver pass? Like, why would you break that up with? Trying to do that to Fields. Like, I don't understand. I thought they was gonna kill him. You know, they momentum right there. Yeah, yeah. But they ended up able to pick up. I think it was 10 on the, on that third down. And then I think Fields ended up running it in.
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Joe Hayden
Yeah, like you. On that first drive, they got. Ended up getting the touchdown. That was impressive because they haven't been doing too much or nothing. I was, I was happy with Fields being able to create some stuff using his legs, Bryce hall being able to use his arm. And then on the touchdown, you just saw his athleticism. He didn't make the right play with drawing that thing back, but he's just faster, he's just more athletic than the outside linebacker. He was in great position and just was able to beat him to the pylon. So like you said, I wasn't expecting too much from the Jets. Oh, but that was good to see for them.
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James Debo Harrison
Oh, no question, dude. They used up, what was it, a little over eight minutes on the 14 play drive.
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Joe Hayden
Dude, walked it down. That's the way you do it. Like you said, staying ahead of the sticks was the biggest thing. They didn't really get too much behind.
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James Debo Harrison
Yeah, yeah, no question. New England, they get back out there and they kind of did what I expected, you know, I think it was second and 10. You know, he ended up hitting Diggs for like eight. And then they get that unnecessary roughness on that same play for him. Slamming, dude. That's why I was saying, dude, I ain't know how they didn't hit Pierre. Yeah, that wasn't even egregious on that one. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, yeah. And they, you know, they do the same thing, you know, trying to stay ahead of the sticks. They get a seven yard run and then end up getting a loss on that next play, I think like two downs, two yards. Sorry. And the fourth down, they go ahead and fourth and two. They put it in. They put it in. Old Drake hands, he connect for seven. Yeah, I think he had a little scramble too.
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Joe Hayden
Yeah.
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James Debo Harrison
On second down for what? About four or five.
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Joe Hayden
Poised, bro. He looked poised to me the whole time. He looked under control.
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James Debo Harrison
Unbelievable. Dude, Henderson, Henderson been doing good though. Yeah, he ran completely over that safety on that. On that. On that first down, bro. Yes, he did, like completely over. And then later, you know, went and scored the touchdown. I think it was like seven yards or something like that. I think they almost used up like seven and a half minutes on their drive, bro.
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Joe Hayden
The first two drives took up the first day of the first quarter.
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James Debo Harrison
It was. It was the whole first quarter.
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Joe Hayden
First quarter, they got drive, drive, touchdown. You know what I'm saying? So offense is playing. Offense is playing well.
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James Debo Harrison
Yeah, for sure. Just get back out there and Patriots defense tighten up a little bit. They don't let them get nothing on that first down. So they look behind the chains. I think that was when they went for the pass on the second down. Feels through it, like low and outside, so dude really couldn't adjust to get to it. That put him behind. They ended up punting the ball. New England come back out. And then I think on that first play, he hit. He hit the tight end, Henry for like 20, 25, something like that. Dude, the play action ate him up right there.
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Ryan Seacrest
For real?
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James Debo Harrison
For real.
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Joe Hayden
Yeah. No, it was the first. Like you said, they was able to get back out there and just drive it down again. They look smooth the whole time. They first drives. Like, it looked easy.
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James Debo Harrison
It looked really. You know what, man? It's something that. That kind of worried me. Like that second down where. Where May took off for that scramble. His slide game is trash, dude. He can learn how to get down.
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Joe Hayden
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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James Debo Harrison
If he don't. If he don't learn how to get down, man, somebody go catch him.
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Joe Hayden
No, for sure, for sure. Cause he. He's not the most athletic guy. He looks like he's about to get smacked when he's running. So you want him to get down quicker.
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James Debo Harrison
Dude, dude, like his slide, even the first one where he scrambled. His slide game was. Was bad. Like this one. Like, dude could have. He could have shot on him, but he didn't.
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Joe Hayden
Yeah, yeah.
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James Debo Harrison
No, for sure he didn't. I think he hit Henry again on the third down for about 12. And then what was it? The second down? I think it was. Dude, he worked the pocket, dude. He didn't panic. He didn't do nothing. Who was it? Hollis. He hit for 19.
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Joe Hayden
Yep, bruh.
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James Debo Harrison
I'm like, this dude is really. And then again, the next play was 20 for Hollis.
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Joe Hayden
Yes, bro. He's poised in the pocket. He's poised.
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James Debo Harrison
Henderson, he went on ahead, got him another what was seven yard touchdown. For sure. Yeah, it was seven. Seven and seven. They go up 14, seven to just get up out of there. I think they ended up having a positive run on the first down. Like they, they were staying ahead of the change. And then I think it was like a, a one yard pass or something. And then the third down, the receiver. Dude, he just dropped the ball.
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Joe Hayden
Yes.
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James Debo Harrison
Yeah, he just dropped the ball, man. Like, and when you got times where he's, you know, he's putting it into people's hands, they're not dropping it. And then times where guys are open, he's just not getting it there.
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Joe Hayden
Yeah, you know that, that Debo, that's the thing. When you're not a good enough offensive team to waste those downs. Like, if you're the Lions, you got. You're going to make explosive plays. Every down there's a chance for you to score. When you're playing on this team, you got to stay ahead of the sticks. You don't have nobody that's going to take it to the house when they get it. You can't miss those passes. And then when people. Right when they hit you in the hands, it's like, God damn, we can't win for losing. Like, if we do have it, we got to catch it. We can't waste that.
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James Debo Harrison
Yeah, for sure. New England get back out there. They do a little something. But I want to talk about that third down. He almost gave Diggs one of them, what you call them blue tent balls.
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Joe Hayden
Yes.
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James Debo Harrison
You know what I'm saying? And it wouldn't even matter if he had caught it because I think they got a. A hold on that. That the jets declined.
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Joe Hayden
He would. He tried to give him a protocol ball.
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James Debo Harrison
Oh, man. Dude, they end up punting the Rock. The jets get back out there. I think that was when they did like a three and out. Yeah, it was three and out, something like that. The ball. But I think that was again, a. Where like a third down where Justin could have. Yes. He threw it like off behind him. He could have placed the ball better. Like, if he had put it like on him, he wouldn't have had to try and adjust. I think that was like he was doing that little. Trying to turn with that little circus catch. He couldn't adjust to that thing.
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Joe Hayden
He got to put that ball. He got to. He got to throw a better ball on that one.
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James Debo Harrison
Oh, yeah, dude. 100. 100. New England get back out there. I think the jets ended up having 12 men on the field the first play. And then I think, what was it, a holding penalty? Ended up getting later on and they had a no Jet Sacked him. And then that's what happened. Jet stacked him, but it got took away because. Hey, man, dude was having a rough night over there, man. All the holding penalties and all the other stuff he had going on. Yes, dude was having a rough night, man. Like, this is just the first that just started off with that dude. And then, you know, again, man, like, May, like The next play, 27, I think that was it. That's when. Nope. That's when they attempted the field goal.
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Joe Hayden
When they missed it.
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James Debo Harrison
Yeah, they missed the field goal, bro. Yeah, that was. It ended up. What was it? Halftime was 14 7.
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Joe Hayden
Yep.
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James Debo Harrison
Sound about right. Yeah, for sure. And then New England got the ball. They went back out there and they. I don't think they did anything with it. Their first possession out. And then later on, jets got back out. They really did nothing. I think they had a unnecessary roughness on that third down that pushed them back a little bit. Yeah, because that was when the punter ended up doing a little. Little short punt and they. They got the ball back and, you know, May started doing. Doing some May things. Like, I think he hit Hollis for 17 on the first one. A couple plays later, I think it was diggs for, like, 20.
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Joe Hayden
Yep.
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James Debo Harrison
Again, dude, he was working the pocket like he. I don't know how he didn't panic.
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Joe Hayden
Like, he got good. He got good. He got good pocket presence, bro.
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James Debo Harrison
He looks year two like that. He advanced like that. Yeah, that. That's why I think he had digs again. That was 18 right after that.
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Joe Hayden
My boy Diggs had a hunted ball, yo.
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James Debo Harrison
Yeah. They end up finishing with a touchdown. Henderson, again, it's 21 7. I'm thinking things about to get blue open right here, but Jessica back out there and somehow they go ahead and get them a touchdown again. I think they were staying. You know, that next thing, they were staying ahead of the chains. I think they had a big play on that one, too. I think third down, they ended up completing one for a little over 20, where the DB ended up falling. Yep, that. That got them 14, 21. And then new England came out, and I thought it was gonna be like, okay, jets gonna have a chance to come back because the first play was a hold. So now you. You first and 20, I think it was. You didn't gain nothing on the second play. So on that first down, actually after that first down, went to first and 20. So it was like second and 20. And he made another play to the tight end. Was getting him some stuff. Dude, he got 10. He got like Half of it back on that point. And then the. The. What was that? That was when dude ended up. Didn't tap. Yeah, he didn't tap.
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Joe Hayden
Dude down that. Yeah, he didn't tap him down. He got up and was able to make the play.
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James Debo Harrison
When he caught, it didn't matter. It was still gonna be a first down.
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Joe Hayden
But it was.
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James Debo Harrison
It was.
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Joe Hayden
But then you just show like you got. That's. That's NFL. You a db. That's what you learn. You know what I'm saying? It's not college football. Just touch them.
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James Debo Harrison
Yeah. Cause y' all ended up getting a sack and. And they. They went. They had to, you know, attempt the 40, was a 45, 46 yard field goal, something like that.
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Joe Hayden
Hit this.
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James Debo Harrison
Yeah, they hit that one. It was what, 14 to 24. Then I think the jets get back out there, basically do a little bit of nothing. I mean, Fields made a great pay on that third down, you know, to get the first, but that was really it. They ended up throwing in, what was it? A negative 2, 3 yard screen and then incompletion. Punt the ball back to. To New England. And I think the first play they had like 20, 25 of digs that ended up helping him out. The next play was like a negative. What was it? 5 yard run? Was that a receiver run or something? I think it was. They ended up punting the ball back to the jets. And the jets get the low snap. Instead of him just dropping down on the ball. He tried to pick it up, bumble it, New England goes ahead, recovers it from there. I thought they was gonna score a touchdown. I don't know how. What was they at, like the 10, 11, 12, something like that?
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Joe Hayden
Yes.
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James Debo Harrison
And they end up holding them. They get a field goal. I mean, it's still what, like almost seven minutes left by then? They. They had a. Had opportunity, I guess you could say. And they come back out there and I think they sacked Fields on the first play. Second down, I think he completed one for like maybe 10 or 11, something like that. And then third down, you know, I don't know how he avoided that sack. Where he avoided that sack, bro. Like getting the scramble for the first down, I thought.
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Joe Hayden
So that was it. That was the one.
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James Debo Harrison
Yes, because it's the fourth now and it was only what, six, seven minutes left, something like that at the beginning of when they started to drive. And then I think he ended up getting like 1 for 18. He scrambled for another one. And then what was it? Was it the. You know, it was A sack. And then they ended up going ahead and had an incompletion turnover on down. She's really over with after that, man.
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Joe Hayden
That game, Debo, once it got to the 2714, I ain't really even peep. I ain't really.
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James Debo Harrison
I ain't gonna lie to you.
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Joe Hayden
I ain't gonna lie to you. I gotta cut that joke off, Devo.
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James Debo Harrison
Yeah. I'm like, yeah, it's, you know, it's over with, man. It's a done deal, man. Yeah, it ain't. It ain't. It ain't nothing else that they could do. They could do to help them, man. The. The Patriots dude like Drake May, though, he has elevated his game. Like.
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Joe Hayden
Yes.
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James Debo Harrison
Like you look at last year, his total numbers. Last year I think he was just under 2300 yards, 15 touchdowns. With 10 picks, bro. Like he had 10 picks. This year already he a little over 2,800. He got 20 touchdowns, only five interceptions. Like almost a 6% increase in his completion ratio. Plus like two. Almost two, two plus more yards per attempt. Like his passer rating is out of control. He's up over 25% from last year. Last year he was like 88. This year he won 13. His pocket awareness, his intelligence, like his consistency and being able to get like the ball to people, especially under press, like with people in his face, it's. Dude, it's unbelievable. Like it's. No way he is not MVP if he continues this dude.
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Joe Hayden
No, for sure. I mean, he been leading a team, they're nine and two and I love that. The fact that I think also the coaching staff, Mike Grable and then Josh McDaniels, he might not have been the best head coach, but offensive coordinator wise, being able to talk to the quarterback, being able to have a relationship with May, because May looks comfortable back there. He looks like he's dropping back. When he hits that back foot. He knows where to go with it. He knows where he wants to go. He's looking like he's reading the defenses. So it looks like a whole team game. He looks comfortable. So I'm loving the way that the Patriots are looking. And then at the same time, on the defensive side of the ball, that corner, they got Gonzalez and just dudes running around making plays. You don't see people kind of running. Scot free Fields was able to run around. Cause he's got speed, he was able to use his legs. But yards wise, like they didn't really do too much. You know what I'm saying? And then just the Comfortability of when New England's out there on offense, just trying to get it done. Mays not making mistakes.
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James Debo Harrison
Stakes.
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Joe Hayden
He's getting the ball where it needs to be done. Getting the ball. Trey Henderson, rookie. Like, if you're getting that type of performance from your back, too. And then when I'm looking at the receivers, dig had 100 yards. They got the receiver, number 13. My man that doesn't really wear shoes. He's out there. He's out there balling. So it is not like the best of the best. Like, you don't have. Like, they don't have a Jamar Chase and a T. Higgins. He's throwing it to just some guys that are in good spots running good routes. He's putting.
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James Debo Harrison
Now stop playing. Stop playing.
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Joe Hayden
No, no, I'm not. Not knocking Diggs. Like, Diggs is number one. But Diggs is like. Would you say Diggs is like Jamar Chase right now in his career? You know what I'm saying? Like, he's a great, great receiver. He's going to be on point doing this thing like he's doing right now. But I'm just saying, like, they don't have crazy, crazy receivers out there, but Drake May is putting the ball on the point. The dudes are making plays. They're running the right routes. They're not dropping the ball when it hits them in the hands, you know what I'm saying? So I just love the way the Patriots are working and Josh McDaniels and the coach, Mike was my Mike Grable. They've been doing a great job.
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James Debo Harrison
Yeah. Yeah. I think him coming back helped really helped improve that defense. They're. They're giving up, I think just under or over 300 yards a game, where last year they were almost at like, 420. So, yeah, that, that's a. That's a great improvement.
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Joe Hayden
What you think about the jets, speaking.
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James Debo Harrison
Of improving the Jets? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jessica Trouble. Right. They need to. They need to figure out.
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Joe Hayden
And then they just got rid of their best players on defense. They got rid of. You know what I'm saying? They got rid of my man Sauce and Quinn Williams. And then on the receiver side, on offensive side of the ball, I mean, you got Justin Fields. He's thrown for this. I, I love Fields, but sometimes you throw for 27 yards, 45 yards, 54 yards, you know what I'm saying? That's just not what an NFL quarterback's yardage is supposed to look like, you know what I'm saying? And now it doesn't what's my man name? The receiver? Number five, the best one, Wilson, he's. He's out. He's on I.R. so I don't. I don't know what's going on with it. It's looking kind of bad over there.
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James Debo Harrison
Yeah, they. They. The biggest thing I think for them is, especially right now, they got to stay ahead of the sticks. They don't stay ahead of the sticks. They don't have the ability to get chunk plays. I think he's last in airtime. Yards, they're not really throwing the ball down the field and not protecting him. Well, you know, it's. It's a lot of, you know, things that's going on there. Rather, it's him being able to get the ball there, and then when he gets the ball there, they drop the ball. Like they can't afford to miss the opportunities to catch those things and come back from it because they're not built.
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Joe Hayden
You're not good enough.
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James Debo Harrison
You know, it's cool to be, you know, wanting to rush and all that, but, you know, you're dead last in the past. You can't. You can't make that up. That's.
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Ryan Seacrest
That's.
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James Debo Harrison
That's extremely hard to make up.
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Joe Hayden
Yeah, I'm with you.
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James Debo Harrison
Yeah. So speaking of, just right here still.
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Joe Hayden
Yes, sir.
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James Debo Harrison
We play.
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Joe Hayden
Yeah, we do.
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James Debo Harrison
We play. I ain't gonna say. I ain't gonna say bongos, because I said, y' all said that last time, and they.
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Joe Hayden
And then they messed around and did what they had to do.
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James Debo Harrison
We play. We play the strong Bengals.
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Joe Hayden
Cincinnati Bengals.
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James Debo Harrison
Cincinnati. Bingo.
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Joe Hayden
What we gonna do is put some respect on their name.
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James Debo Harrison
We will put some respect on their name. But what we really need to do to. To win this game is simple. It's simple. What we need to do to win this game, man, we have to stop the run, period. We gave up 140 plus yards last time, and we have to sack Joe Flacco, not pressure him. We have to sack him because Joe will stand in the pocket and throw that thing.
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Joe Hayden
Yes.
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James Debo Harrison
He's not. He's not going to be a dude that's gonna shake out the pocket and get off on us, so.
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Ryan Seacrest
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James Debo Harrison
Hey listen, take some liberties in that pass game because if we go and we sack Joe then we don't let jamar chase get 160 plus on us. You know what I'm saying? Something else we need to do is don't be leaving our DBs out there one on one on this dude all the time. Like we used to have a defense with coastal bowls day it was called double the stars.
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Joe Hayden
Yes sir, I know about that of them guys.
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James Debo Harrison
Okay. That means that you take away that as long as your pass rush is there and getting there it negates all of that. Like we have to play situationally better when it counts and offensively we need to run the ball. It opens up the run game. The Bengals defense are still oh my goodness, last in the run and Second to last in the past. We have to take advantage of that.
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Joe Hayden
Deebo, you speaking facts, my brother. You're speaking straight facts right now. Because what we need to do is the defense. We got to be able to double the stars. Like you said. We have to be able to take away the pass with. We can't lie and just sit here and act like Jamar Chase and T. Higgins aren't amazing.
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James Debo Harrison
And they gonna make plays. Yeah, no, no, no, no. They gonna make their plays, but you can't let them take over the game.
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Joe Hayden
No, no, no, Debo, we saying the same thing. That's why I'm saying. I'm acknowledging that you have to double the stars. So when I'm saying with our run game, we have to stop the run game with our linebackers and D line, knowing at the end of the day, if you stop this on first down, we got to stay ahead of the six to know we're doubling stars. They're not going to be able to just. Joe Flacco, he's throwing the ball to two people, Higgins and Jamar Chase. Those are the dudes averaging touchdowns. Jamar Chase has five touchdowns since Flacco's been out there, and Higgins has six. He's thrown 12. He's throwing one touchdown to other people. So he's getting them dudes. The Rock. Chase is averaging 90 yards a game. So our front seven needs to stop the run game, stop Chase Brown, be able to get us in second and long, third and longs to where now we know we're doubling these stars. Get after him, T.J. now, Highsmith, you have your opportunity. If you don't win, first and second down is we. We can't really get you to go. Go get them. Now we put him in predictable, knowing his passing situations. We're going to double Higgins, we're going to double Ja' Marr Chase. Other dudes, y' all gotta get open. We gotta lock that up. And TJ Highsmith, get after him. You know what I'm saying? So, like, sack him, hit him, you know what I'm saying? Make him feel you. You know what I'm saying? Strip sacks. You know what I'm saying? So I'm with you. We definitely need to stop the run with just our front knowing, like, they can't run on us because on the outside, our corners and safety, we're going to need to be able to double them dudes and take away their best players because a bomb.
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James Debo Harrison
Our front seven got to stop the run.
- [26:10]
Joe Hayden
Front seven got to stop the run. And we going to be able to have to. Our DB's going to have to double up and stand up versus these dudes. Not just saying single coverage. That's not realistic. If we let you double them a couple of times, you know what I'm saying? Play some zones underneath, like situationally. Situationally, yes. So we speaking the same thing on offensive side of the ball. I run the ball. Be able to start ahead of the sticks. Be able to. Now a Rock can do.
- [26:34]
James Debo Harrison
We can run the Rock and keep the defense on the field. We keep our defense off the field. We need to control the time of possession.
- [26:41]
Joe Hayden
Yes.
- [26:41]
James Debo Harrison
I don't really care. The defense need to do what the defense is supposed to do. We ain't spend all this money for nothing. And you know what? Because I know they go do it. Joe, we giving away four tickets, two sets of two to the game this Sunday. You know what you gotta do? Follow Joe myself like and subscribe to Deebo and Joe. And we will pick the winner on Saturday because we want you there to see us go ahead and get our get back. Okay.
- [27:14]
Joe Hayden
Because we lost the first game and we gotta go get that get back.
- [27:17]
James Debo Harrison
Gotta get that get back.
- [27:18]
Joe Hayden
Got to.
- [27:19]
James Debo Harrison
Gotta get that get back. Matter of fact, no, I ain't gonna say nothing.
- [27:25]
Joe Hayden
Not yet. Not yet. Not yet.
- [27:27]
James Debo Harrison
Not yet.
- [27:27]
Joe Hayden
Not yet.
- [27:29]
James Debo Harrison
Not yet. Let's go on here and stay over here. And let's go ahead and stay over here. You know, in the afc, right here with. On the north, they said Lamar Jackson overrated, bro. They said. They said he the most overrated quarterback.
- [27:39]
Joe Hayden
Who said? Who said? Who said? Who said?
- [27:41]
James Debo Harrison
Who said that?
- [27:42]
Joe Hayden
That's stupid stuff.
- [27:43]
James Debo Harrison
Hey, that's a. God, that. That's a garbage mouth lie. They may be talking about just sitting in the pocket not being able to use none of your other talents. I don't know. I wouldn't. He could still throw the rock too.
- [27:56]
Joe Hayden
I mean, he still throw the rock.
- [27:58]
James Debo Harrison
I don't. I don't know. So I believe. I believe your Browns are. Are playing the. The Ravens. So Joe, what. What do your Browns need to do to beat the Ravens? I actually. I'm actually rooting for y' all this time.
- [28:14]
Joe Hayden
Well, first things first. We need to. It sounds like we need to do. We need to control. We need to run the ball first. Be able to run the ball. We need to get Juggins going. We need to be ahead of the sticks. All the same. It's like a. Like when your office isn't good. What you need to do is stay ahead of the sticks make sure your run game is solid, make sure you don't put yourself in long third, third down situations because Dylan Gabriel has shown us he can't really throw the rock too well. So what we need to do is stay ahead of the sticks defense. You got a ball out. Obviously we need to turnovers, we need to stop the run, we need to create turnovers. We need to put our offense in short fields to try to get them to, to be able to not have to go that far to get points. So it's going to be a game where defense, you can't, it's you, you can't really give up anything because at the end of the day, I don't trust our offense too much. So offense and Ravens defense has been playing better. They've been standing up a little bit more. So. And Lamar's back healthy. They're coming off of a. They're rolling. They won they last four. So I mean we, what we need to do, our defense has to play out of their minds. Offense got to run the ball and basically that's our only, that's our only hope.
- [29:29]
James Debo Harrison
That's your only hope. So you ain't, you ain't too happy, you ain't too encouraged that you're going to be able to do this.
- [29:38]
Joe Hayden
This is what I'm saying. This would be a game that we mess around and win. We always find a way to do some wild stuff. That's something, you know, when you least expect that we come out there and get a dub. I'm not mad. I think the effort's going to be there. I'm just worried about end of the day when we do get that ball on offense. I don't, I just don't want. He's been throwing the ball into the dirt a lot, you know what I'm saying? Like we gotta get. I mean, they say once he had 167 yards and two touchdowns with no picks last week and everybody was saying that was a good game. I don't want to talk crazy because he didn't have zero picks, but there's been. When you throw a screen pass like a throwback over the man's head out of bounds and he could have just caught the joint like, like that's just a bad pass. Nobody was on you. I just see too many. Just.
- [30:20]
James Debo Harrison
You could have made that pass, huh?
- [30:22]
Joe Hayden
Easy, Debo. I would have hit him right. Just. You know what I'm saying?
- [30:25]
James Debo Harrison
Like, you see, you feel, you feel you. You hear that? You hear that anger, that rise in Your voice.
- [30:29]
Joe Hayden
Oh, my God.
- [30:30]
James Debo Harrison
That's what I'm saying. I don't.
- [30:31]
Joe Hayden
I was chilling, too, until I really.
- [30:34]
James Debo Harrison
I don't get that in the other side. You know what I'm saying? I feel like I'm the only person there when, you know, when it's we. When it's the Steelers, but when it's y', all, you know, Because.
- [30:44]
Joe Hayden
You know why? Because I would say because I really believe that the Steelers are about to go out there and they should spank Flacco, and that's going to be a good time. And it's really exciting because I think this is really going to happen with the Browns right now. I just. I'm kind of like, I'm hurt a little bit more. I'm hurt. You know what I'm saying? I'm looking. I know my boys are out there. They're trying to fight him, but I'm like, God, it just. It's bad over there right now, so I'm just a little sad.
- [31:08]
James Debo Harrison
You grieving. Speaking of grieving, the NFL filed a grievance against the NFLPA for.
- [31:14]
Joe Hayden
I like that.
- [31:14]
James Debo Harrison
Court cards, I think. Did you. Did you read it?
- [31:19]
Joe Hayden
Yes, yes.
- [31:21]
James Debo Harrison
I think, for the most part. Please. I think it's bull. They. They say it. It violates the collective bargaining agreement that the union. I think they said, quote, it was using reasonable efforts to cartel public comments by clubs, personnel or players which express criticism of any club, its coach, or its operations and policies. Like, no, no, nflpa. That means Players Association. We are not for the NFL. Like, we're trying to make things for the players better. The NFL just doesn't want their dirty laundry error. Like, like, now, you know, I understand. It's a couple of the points in there that I can understand. Not even. Maybe. Maybe even agree with to a point. Like, okay, like what? Like, like need to make sure it's actually players that's doing it.
- [32:23]
Joe Hayden
Yeah, yeah.
- [32:25]
James Debo Harrison
No, you don't get the names. You can get just Player xyz.
- [32:31]
Joe Hayden
Yeah. But just know he's a legitimate player.
- [32:33]
James Debo Harrison
Right? He's a legitimate player. Like, okay, I'm cool with that. Like, I do agree that it should be specific, you know, feedback to what the teams, you know, need to do, what they need to improve. But it's still going to be a to F grading scale because it's going to be based on a percentage.
- [32:53]
Joe Hayden
Yeah.
- [32:54]
James Debo Harrison
10. 100 to 90 is A89. 80 is A B and so on and so forth. Yes. So, like, that is just what it's.
- [33:04]
Joe Hayden
Going to Be this. This is what I'm saying. The NFL doesn't want the dirty laundry out there. And this is the other thing too. Like NFL, like when you go to these facilities and you do things like we're not trying to be bougie certain teams. If you walk into the. Walk into the Browns FAC compared to walking into the Stiller facilities. I'm not going to grade the Steeler facilities like trash. Oh, no, it's trash. It's just not as nice as his luxury. The other stuff will be. So they have all the accommodations, food. You're going to be honest and let them know what it is. But certain places have better things and take care of the players.
- [33:35]
James Debo Harrison
If everybody get up to the same level, then you don't have a discrepancy in your grading scale. Just get your stuff up to the level.
- [33:43]
Joe Hayden
Get your stuff up to the level.
- [33:44]
James Debo Harrison
I need to be NFLPA executive director, like point blank, period. And you know what? My dude, Cam Hayward is on the executive committee. And from what I understand, my name has to be put on the ballot by someone that is on the committee. And he said he would do that. So I'm hoping that he did that.
- [34:07]
Joe Hayden
And I would say he definitely did it. And I would love.
- [34:13]
James Debo Harrison
Like I said, I don't know. I'm just assuming that if my name was on it, I would have had some type of contact it. Okay. So I'm, you know, I'm just, you know, I don't know. I'm not saying he has or he hasn't, but when you have, you know, Jalen Reeves Maven as the current NFL PA President, like, nobody even knows. So if my name doesn't make it on the final players, you know, vote ballot for executive director, I'm thinking it gotta be something up, you know.
- [34:48]
Joe Hayden
Yeah.
- [34:49]
James Debo Harrison
Because to be honest with you, dude, here it goes. The nflpa. A lot of them people over there that work for the NFLPA want to work for the NFL. Okay. Prime example being, go back Troy Vincent. Troy Vincent worked for the NFLPA and went to the NFL. Here's the crazy thing, he blew his cover, though, when we were doing the collective bargaining agreement for the 2011 Charles Woodson and Ryan Clark. R.C. woodson actually said, we thought he was for us. I knew he wasn't for us. RC said absolutely lost credibility. This is when they ended up getting DeMarcus Smith, who by the way, went and set rules in place that we have now that actually took the power away from the players to make the decisions of who they wanted to vote for and put it into basically a committee or board that he picked that would actually pick who the person was he would run against in the reelections when that time came. So that basically ensured that he would win while he lined his pockets with more and more money going from a salary in 2010 of like 1.5, 1.6 million to ending in 2023 at 9.3 million. What place do you know that increases your salary in a 13 year span by 5x? Dirty, dirty, dirty politics. There's too many people over there that are trying to do what is necessary for them to get more. Dude, I could go into it even with when I went through that Al Jazeera where they were trying to say, oh, James Harrison is doing this, doing that, right? The lawyer they gave me who was a personal close friend of D. Smith and he got her the job, she's asking me questions, bro, and I'm telling her, I'm like, yes, this, that, whatever, right? We get in there, the NFL lawyers is like, okay, we know you do this and that. I'm like, what? Good thing I wasn't guilty. Because if I had told her, she would already went and told them. So it's things like that, dude, you want somebody that's gonna be there representing you, like how does your salary go 4 or 5 times X?
- [37:26]
Joe Hayden
Like you gotta, you feel don't make no sense.
- [37:28]
James Debo Harrison
You're not there to take care of the players. It ended up being there to line his pockets, taking the power away from the players to make the decision. So as I understand it now, if you're not put on by the executive committee, who then makes a decision on who gets put out to the public? Like I may not even, I may be put on the ballot, but they do that behind closed doors before they decide who gets put out to the public. So if Maven is your NFL Pennsylvania president right now and I don't get put in front of the players, something's wrong.
- [38:05]
Joe Hayden
Yep, yep, yep.
- [38:06]
James Debo Harrison
It's going on and it's still the NFLPA trying to make it to the NFL.
- [38:12]
Joe Hayden
Okay, Nah, D. But we gonna keep an eye out on that because if he put your name out on the ballot, there should be no reason then we know it's.
- [38:19]
James Debo Harrison
It should be no reason. It should not make players on there for sure. You know what I'm saying? Like representation, there's no representation.
- [38:27]
Joe Hayden
Now I'm with you on that. And when we were saying too, when we was going back to the just the report cards too, do you think that I think the report cards are a good thing. Like I said too long as you have the honesty of it's a player playing and dudes are going to be. Tell you what it is. How's the food, how's the travel? How are they treating us? Because you play. Some people play for other teams, some dudes, you just don't know what you don't know. So if you play for another team, you've been to a facility, you moved that way, you went to these facilities. The one thing I say about the Steelers too, and it's not a knock when we're saying these facilities aren't as good as others, is because pits they aren't. Steelers are split with pit panthers. Like, it's just smaller. It's just. You don't have a whole facility. You don't have enough as much space. So when you go to other joints where it's just a whole big old. Like a. Like a pre. Like a training facility just for you particular with just so much stuff that you don't even really need. But it's nice. So I'm gonna rate that. That's a 10. That looks like you. Like, it's amazing. Like, everything's just very, very new. It's very clean. But at the same time, you. You're going to get the job done. The weights still work the same way the weights work. You know what I'm saying? The staff.
- [39:32]
James Debo Harrison
Listen here, listen. It's a salary cap, right? Every team got to spend a certain amount of money or it. It is able to spend a certain amount of money. If they don't, it's certain things that happen or don't happen. If they go over certain things that happen or don't happen. Needs to be a standard for what your facility should look like, should have and be accessible to your players, period. That way you ain't got to worry about it. That's the only thing y' all want to, you know, not have across the board.
- [39:59]
Joe Hayden
Yes.
- [40:00]
James Debo Harrison
Salary cap. You want to make sure. Can nobody spend no more than nobody else. Like make sure the facilities are to the standard at every facility than it just being coaches or teams or owners that want to make sure that their facilities are grade A versus guys that are like, hey, it's doable or it's efficient enough.
- [40:21]
Joe Hayden
Yeah, yeah. No, for sure. We speak in the same. Same language, brother. Because that's where it's who the ownership. Like that's really kind of. I think that's mainly more on like the owners more like because they're they're building. They. They own the facilities that you're training in and all that stuff. So, I mean, if they want to spend. To have their stuff looking sweet like Dallas, you just. They look. It looks amazing. When you were in college, you getting recruited to Florida, you go see their facilities. You go see Alabama's facilities. Yes. You know, I'm like this. That's like.
- [40:49]
James Debo Harrison
It's.
- [40:49]
Joe Hayden
People want to go there. The stuff looks sweet. Let's go.
- [40:52]
James Debo Harrison
Right?
- [40:52]
Joe Hayden
Makes people want to go work.
- [40:53]
James Debo Harrison
Yeah. Yeah. You got to realize in college what's going to get you there. Well, back then, it was the facility now.
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Joe Hayden
Recruiting tool.
- [41:01]
James Debo Harrison
Yes. Yeah, it's. It's the. You know, it's the bread. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Plus the facility. Because if you're looking at the same thing in the facility, better here than it is there, I'm gonna go where.
- [41:13]
Joe Hayden
I get the facilities and the bread.
- [41:15]
James Debo Harrison
Right. No question about it. No question about it. Dude, AJ Brown said he ain't making no apologies for his Twitch stream. Dude, you see what he said? Yeah.
- [41:27]
Joe Hayden
He told them boys. He told them boys, man, you know what it is? And he's talking to his homeboy playing the game, and he's like, it is. I'm trying to laugh through it. Where he wants to rock, you know what I'm saying? And he's saying, no matter what, like, winning the games, it is what it is. But if. If we're on, we're all. We're. We're on the offensive side of the ball. I can respect this. As an offensive player, I would want my team to be able to, like, don't. Don't talk about the defense. Talk about how we can make the offense better. He's trying to provide. He feels like he can do.
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James Debo Harrison
Hey, man, they say. They say that man AJ Brown just changed his IG bio to unemployed an hour ago.
- [44:06]
Joe Hayden
No, he didn't.
- [44:08]
James Debo Harrison
I. I don't know. He trying to tell us something or is he just gassing?
- [44:12]
Joe Hayden
But I think he must be. Look, the chance.
- [44:15]
James Debo Harrison
He's basically saying like, I ain't got no job because I ain't got no numbers. That's what he's saying.
- [44:19]
Joe Hayden
He's saying that because the checks. The checks?
- [44:24]
James Debo Harrison
Yeah, the check go clear, baby.
- [44:26]
Joe Hayden
But I'm. I'm getting paid.
- [44:28]
James Debo Harrison
You. You with him or you against him? What do you think of him not. Not apologizing for or saying what he said? I, me, personally, I ain't got no problem with. He's just keeping it 100. Hey, man, take me off. Y' all think I'm gonna get you any fantasy points now y' all done seen what I'm gonna get. I'm gonna catch here and there. That's it.
- [44:44]
Joe Hayden
Now, you know what?
- [44:45]
James Debo Harrison
I gotta go up against Chase, I gotta go up against Jeffrey. I gotta go up against guys that's just getting the ball toted to him. Now, you know we ain't gonna throw the ball no more than 16 times a game.
- [44:55]
Joe Hayden
Diva, are you Feeling that same way if you are on the Eagles.
- [45:00]
James Debo Harrison
No, I lied, man. It was Tyreek that said unemployed. Nah. A.J. brown. Nope. It was Tyreek.
- [45:07]
Joe Hayden
Oh, it's Tyree Kill that said that. Yeah. Thank you, Jesus. I about to say. Oh, he's. I'm about to say he's definitely.
- [45:13]
James Debo Harrison
He's.
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Joe Hayden
That's not even a subliminal.
- [45:15]
James Debo Harrison
He's still on the roster though.
- [45:17]
Joe Hayden
Yeah.
- [45:18]
James Debo Harrison
Why would he say that? You can't release him. He hurt himself.
- [45:23]
Joe Hayden
Who, Tariq?
- [45:24]
James Debo Harrison
Yeah.
- [45:28]
Joe Hayden
I don't know.
- [45:29]
James Debo Harrison
Let me look at that again. You can't release this man. They could if they was depending. Oh, that's a lot of money though.
- [45:37]
Joe Hayden
They owe Tyree killed. They owe Tyreek Hill guarantee.
- [45:39]
James Debo Harrison
Oh, you cut. You cut a man. Why he. Why he hurt like that? You gotta pay for whatever that whole thing would be plus recovery. Do he have another year on his contract?
- [45:50]
Joe Hayden
Say that one more time.
- [45:51]
James Debo Harrison
If you cut, cut somebody by why they hurt you. You get.
- [45:54]
Joe Hayden
You got to pay them.
- [45:55]
James Debo Harrison
Yeah.
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Joe Hayden
I don't know. I don't know. We gonna see. We gonna see.
- [46:03]
James Debo Harrison
Hey, man, and speaking of that, Travis, he out for the year, bro.
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Joe Hayden
God dang.
- [46:08]
James Debo Harrison
Lcl I think it was. Yep.
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Joe Hayden
What you think, man? The more and more than I'm watching it and the more and more that I see, like Travis isn't really like the biggest. You know what I'm saying? Body gotta go one way. Like I would think you just gotta. Gotta go one way. Mainly just for body wise, you know, the NFL, not for long. You're gonna get hurt, people gonna get hit, we're gonna get injured regardless. So I'm just thinking longevity wise at first. I was thinking if you're the Jaguars, you get a first round pick, you got elite talent, your team isn't really as good. You can use them on both. You can get a top flight corner and a top flight receiver. But now the more I'm looking at it like for the health of the kid and for Travis Hunter is like career wise, like, do you want it to be cut short just because you're trying to. At the end of the day, it's the NFL. You're playing for the best people in the world over exerting yourself where if you just locked in on one, you know what I'm saying? Got your mind right? Was able to go Pro bowl, like really just focus in and be able to make that your thing. Like being able to try because you still could get hurt. You know what I'm saying? Playing once, Right. You know what I'm saying, I'm not going to knock that.
- [47:10]
James Debo Harrison
I mean, you go get a. You go. You get. I think you get a lot more protections playing receiver than you would, you know, at. At the. You know, at the. At the corner position. Plus, people gotta adjust to you. He's not adjusting to them. You know, he's not trying to figure out if this dude go try and run past him or throw him, you know, and having to be able to step that foot into the ground, you know what I'm saying? Like, I would. And like you said, you know, he's not. He's not an extremely large dude. So. Yeah, I'm with you. I would, I would. I would. I would go to the. To the offensive side, especially now. Dude, you can't even really. You can't really hit nobody. Like, coming across the middle is just something, you know, coming across the middle is a thing of the past.
- [47:53]
Joe Hayden
No, for sure. You're right. You're right about that. I mean, if you want. I. I like him as db. I like him. I like him at db. I think he would be.
- [48:02]
James Debo Harrison
I like him at receiver, dude.
- [48:03]
Joe Hayden
I think he'll be a great receiver. Like, I just don't know how, Like, I mean, he could be a great receiver, too, but I just think his routes and stuff like that aren't as crisp as, you know, I'm saying, like a. Like a chase, like a Jefferson, you know what I'm saying? Like, I think those are the elite of the elites, I think at db.
- [48:20]
James Debo Harrison
Hey, he. He got. He got. You know, one of those other quarterbacks on that overrated list was his quarterback, Trevor Lawrence. Yes.
- [48:29]
Joe Hayden
I don't think he's that over. I think Trevor Lawrence is not.
- [48:31]
James Debo Harrison
You don't think he's that overrated? It depends on who you talking to.
- [48:35]
Joe Hayden
You think he's overrated?
- [48:37]
James Debo Harrison
It depends on who you're talking to. If I. If I talk. If you ever talk to a fan of some sort. For me, I don't think he's overrated because I have really. I have a realistic. Yes. View of his. Of his skills. Like, expectations. Like. Like depending on what announcer you get announcing the game, you think he the next coming to Joe Montana.
- [48:56]
Joe Hayden
You ain't lying.
- [48:58]
James Debo Harrison
Like, you're a lie.
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Joe Hayden
I don't think. I don't think he's bad. I. I think he's good. I think he's a solid franchise quarterback, bro. And if. If he can. I think he can make. He can make the those. He can make all of the those.
- [49:11]
James Debo Harrison
Consistently. Consistently.
- [49:16]
Joe Hayden
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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James Debo Harrison
Yeah, stop. Right. Consistently.
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Joe Hayden
I like trouble. I'm. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not a. Trevor, I'm saying you could like it. I don't.
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James Debo Harrison
I don't. I'm just saying I'm going by the skill, what I see or what else. I don't. I don't know.
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Joe Hayden
I think he's gonna be solid. I think he's gonna be solid.
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James Debo Harrison
Okay.
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Joe Hayden
Do you think. You think Travis Hunter's gonna be better, though, at receiver than at corner? Debo, I just.
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James Debo Harrison
I just. I just. I just like him better at receiver, dude.
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Joe Hayden
Okay. No, no. And I respect that.
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James Debo Harrison
I like his adjustments to be able to get to the ball, all that. Like, I don't like him having to come up with a, you know, a lineman coming out there to, you know, do the screen, and you can't cut that lineman. That's. I don't like. I don't. That. That. That. That's not something I want to see.
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Joe Hayden
I think he's gonna be. Either way. Either way is gonna work. Like you said, his ball skills, you know what I'm saying? Being that receiver, being able to adjust his body, just getting right.
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James Debo Harrison
His adjustments to balls, like he did it. That's what he's done. Like, being able to do that, dude, that's a. That's a hard skill. You look and see, you know, in the. In New England game where dude couldn't adjust back to a couple passes, could do a couple catches. That's Travis. He get there. Yeah.
- [50:36]
Joe Hayden
Travis, honey, is a ball.
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James Debo Harrison
He could do.
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Joe Hayden
He could do either way. He could. He could play either side of the ball. I just want him to pick one of them joints and get after it. Because I think the more and more I think about it, though, just that the health, you know what I'm saying? I don't want him to start off his career just being able to get hurt, and then, you know what I'm saying, it continue. So I wanted to just take one of them spots, corner or receiver, whichever one it is, and just hone his craft and become elite.
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James Debo Harrison
Okay, I got it. But I'm. I'm receiver. I'm sorry.
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Joe Hayden
You receive it, though.
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James Debo Harrison
You db? I think that's db.
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Joe Hayden
No. Yeah. Because I know his ball skills and how elite he could be at db. Like, that's the thing. He could be one of the best to do it at db, you know what I'm saying? Because the ball skills, the being able to read stuff, like when he was in college at Colorado, breaking in zones and Being able to play, man, because he could run, he could jump, he can come out of his breaks just as fast or faster than these receivers. And then he's going to turn into the receiver. When he turns around, he's playing the ball in the air, you know what I'm saying? Looking back, he sees that, he's like, oh, no, that's mine. He can go get it. So I just think with the athletic ability and ball skills, it'll make him one of the best to do it at db. But as a receiver, there's other guys that are receivers that I see that could just. That are better than him.
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James Debo Harrison
Well, you know, also like, you. You go. You go be playing against better caliber of quarterbacks and receivers at this level. Like, you know, Matthew Stafford ain't gonna put that thing right there for you to be able to get it. He go put it where only his dude can get in. Nobody else, you know. You know, and in college, the placement is not like that. The speed's not like that. Every, you know, every. Every, you know, receiver you come up against ain't go have that ability to be that, you know, that Chase Dre, you know, things like that. So I think while he is a great talent, I think some of that added to helping him, you know, be as good as he was in college.
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Joe Hayden
No, for sure, we on the same page. We just think that boy, Travis Hunter is a dog. Wherever he's at, he's gonna thrive. I just want him to be healthy and be out there.
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James Debo Harrison
Yeah, and. And he got hurt in practice, so, like, hey, you know, like, that's. That's tough. I ain't even get to go out there and get, you know, popped on the battlefield, you know, like, yeah, that. That hurts. That hurts.
- [52:54]
Joe Hayden
And he work on that turf, hopefully.
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James Debo Harrison
Yo, let's. Let's go over here to Detroit, though, Gibbs. They say he closing in on Barry. Ran on Barry Sanders record for the most touchdowns before the age of 24. I said, that dude got. What is it, 41 right now. And what we got. How many games we got left? Oh, you got eight. Seven. Eight. Seven, eight games.
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Joe Hayden
Seven.
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James Debo Harrison
Eight. He only need six more or seven more to beat it. I think that record is what, 47. Record is 47 for sure. Yeah. You think. You think he gonna be able to do it? Like he. He hitting two and three? Well, he hitting two a game. Like, it's multiple games where he done hit two.
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Joe Hayden
Yeah, I think. I think he can. And I think with the. With their coaching staff, they could put it in A position where it gets down there instead of, hey, they gonna.
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James Debo Harrison
Make sure I even think about that, man.
- [53:49]
Joe Hayden
That's a staff that's gonna care about that, man. Your coach knows.
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James Debo Harrison
I'm sure if he gets you in that position to be able to do it, he gonna get it done.
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Joe Hayden
Let me distribute this little T to him. Montgomery distributed Tubby to you. Williams, St. Brown. Okay. You've been waiting on it. So I think once it gets down to the nitty gritty, their offense is so powerful and they coach and just feeling their vibes. He gonna be able to get him his touchdowns if he gets close to it. Because like you say, he's scoring two touchdowns a game. If he. The next two games, two a game, it's going to be easy for them to, I think, get it to him. Because if he.
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James Debo Harrison
If he get two in the next. If he get two tugs in the next two or three games and one in any one of them, I'm definitely gonna say he gonna get it.
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Joe Hayden
So how many we say he needs? 6 right now.
- [54:33]
James Debo Harrison
He needs 6 right now to tie it.
- [54:35]
Joe Hayden
Oh, for sure.
- [54:37]
James Debo Harrison
He needs seven to beat it.
- [54:39]
Joe Hayden
Yeah, I like him to get it. That's. That's crazy.
- [54:46]
James Debo Harrison
How many years he been in the league, bro? It's only, what, four right now?
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Joe Hayden
Yeah. Cause he's. Yes, because he still ain't got no. Because he still don't have a bag. He's still in his rookie deal. Montgomery. Montgomery hit him for a good little bag. So you.
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James Debo Harrison
Yeah, yeah.
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Joe Hayden
Gives ready. Gibbs. He's balling. So, yeah, he's gonna. He gonna deserve it. All young bull. This probably year four.
- [55:11]
James Debo Harrison
Bruh 23. He was picked. Bruh 23 round.
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Joe Hayden
Yes, that's that. Because he was what he was. So his rookie season, he was 26 and he just switched to zero.
- [55:25]
James Debo Harrison
It ain't even three deep yet.
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Joe Hayden
God. Yeah, they gotta go ahead and they need to keep performing while they got this duo because that's gonna be a. That's gonna be a Brinks truck. They're gonna have to back up to my good man.
- [55:40]
James Debo Harrison
Oh, but that's gonna be hard. It's this thing called the salary cap.
- [55:45]
Joe Hayden
No, that. But that's what I'm telling you. They got to do it now and then. Yeah, they might have to draft another little one. But look, that's the thing. When you got a team like that, they already signed a bunch of their players already. They already signed Williams, they already signed Golf. They already signed Amaranthe Brown. They've been giving out bags over There they've been doing a good job and.
- [56:06]
James Debo Harrison
They know at some point, believe me, these, these contracts go get front or back heavy and it's gonna be, it's gonna be decisions that gotta be made, man.
- [56:14]
Joe Hayden
So Debo, this is what I'm trying to tell you, you know. But Debo, the more when people always say that to me, this is what you gotta win. You gotta win. And this the other thing too. You gotta be able to. The thing that the teams realize. You can guarantee money to your ballers if your ballers are performing at a high level. That's when you're, that's when you can live. If your ballers are performing and not, and not performing, that's when you can't be signing people and be making all of the bread because if the dudes are making money, guarantee your quarterback's salary, every guarantee your quarters back salary. And I tell you, that opens up so much space. That's the one thing I always would look at. Like red, just make the contract of your quarterback or your best players that are hooping fully guaranteed that year. And then that opens up so much money in the cap.
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James Debo Harrison
Yeah, but you know, Did I just turn off. Can you hear me? Can you hear me?
- [57:07]
Joe Hayden
Yeah, I can hear you.
- [57:08]
James Debo Harrison
Yeah, but you gotta, you know, it ain't a year to year contract, dude. It's a, you know, it's at least four year contract. So you gotta guarantee so much of that, if not all of it, you know what I'm saying? Depending on what type of deal that they're willing to take. Like if I'm gonna take a friendly deal, you got to guarantee me something that's gonna be conducive to where I feel like I'm gonna be at the end of that contract. Especially with it being so short and you, you know, your game is going to get better, hopefully and elevate. So instead market value right now, you know what, what is, what is a top tier quarterback right go cost you 50 million right now in four years. Like what, what's that gonna call? You gotta think about it, homes. Deal was, that's what I'm saying, like 40 something right now.
- [57:54]
Joe Hayden
Everybody else making 50 something, but Patrick Mahomes is smart. Patrick Mahomes knew he could have went and when he did his deal, he could have stung him for $50 million a year. He went and did a $45 million a year for 10 years just so they can move money around. Because you know when you got a quarterback like that, he's not going nowhere. So the 45 guarantee for tax Mahomes, you don't have to guarantee it right now, but every year, he's not going nowhere. You can re.
- [58:17]
James Debo Harrison
I understand what you're saying, but like right now, look at the window. You can't say it ain't.
- [58:25]
Joe Hayden
I mean, you can't tell me that.
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James Debo Harrison
I mean, as long as you got practical homes, you got a chance.
- [58:31]
Joe Hayden
As long as you got Pat, you got a chance. And they got. And they got defense. They still got Jones in them.
- [58:36]
James Debo Harrison
Defense is sometimes there, sometimes not. Like, situationally, like, inconsistent, for sure.
- [58:42]
Joe Hayden
But you know what it is, though? They gonna be there. So, like, you know what I'm saying? They gonna be there at the end. So it's like you gonna. You're gonna have. You gonna have Patrick Mahomes with. You gonna have to see. Can. Can you beat him or can you not when you get to the playoffs.
- [58:53]
James Debo Harrison
I mean, I don't disagree with you. You know, I just like that, you know, I know you like to be the devil. You like to just go, you know, devil's advocate. I like, get stuff started. You know what I'm saying? Don't get me wrong. If I'm patting, I'm in that same situation. Yeah. Give me the 500 bag and guarantee every penny of it. I'm gonna give you a deal.
- [59:09]
Joe Hayden
I'm chilling. And I think that's what the good quarterbacks are starting to do. Like, you know, you ain't got to sting them on shorter term.
- [59:16]
James Debo Harrison
You know what I'm saying?
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Joe Hayden
Josh Allen didn't even go get more than what Dak Prescott got, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, the next man up sometime, like Jaden Daniels, you gonna get.
- [59:25]
James Debo Harrison
What you gonna get. Money ain't good money. Okay? He know, like they say, the grass ain't always greener on the other side. You might get that money and then be sitting there like. Like your boy.
- [59:40]
Joe Hayden
What'S his name, my man Miles.
- [59:42]
James Debo Harrison
Your Miles Garrett upset.
- [59:45]
Joe Hayden
Yeah.
- [59:45]
James Debo Harrison
Although you got the bag now you can't win.
- [59:50]
Joe Hayden
No. And I'm.
- [59:52]
James Debo Harrison
I'm.
- [59:53]
Joe Hayden
We saying the same thing. It's just the. The quarterback position is one where dudes are making $60 million per year.
- [59:59]
James Debo Harrison
It's coming.
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Joe Hayden
And if you have a good one, I just think that the captain can help you with being able to just guarantee money to your best players.
- [60:09]
James Debo Harrison
You know what, man? I say baseball, they ain't got no cap, right?
- [60:13]
Joe Hayden
They don't got no cap.
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James Debo Harrison
Listen, go on, Cap. We go see what, man, what, what owners. No Cap, we go see what owners really want to win.
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Joe Hayden
You're gonna, then that's, that's when you're gonna find out who's the Yankees. You know what I'm saying? Who's trying to drop that bag? You know what I'm saying?
- [60:31]
James Debo Harrison
Like I'm okay with this thing. And we're gonna see who gonna be the Yankees. Is Jerry go throw extra money into his possessional toy to make sure he can beat him boys again.
- [60:43]
Joe Hayden
Or is he not the only thing.
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James Debo Harrison
Uncapped people do, you know, hey, start no cap.
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Joe Hayden
A no cap. If we did no cap though, Debo no cap would make the NFL crazy. It would be crazy because then that would be legitimate. Like I couldn't even imagine. That's exactly.
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James Debo Harrison
We're gonna see you. We're gonna see who got the owners them trash facilities. Yep. Who cares? They.
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Joe Hayden
Because you're only going to be able to spend. You can only spend the same thing. 50 or whatever they making. Whatever. So it's like 50, 50 splits up. We got to spend 50%. Something like that. Each team has to spend the same.
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James Debo Harrison
It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a number point blank period that each team has to spend at whatever it is. And if they don't spend up to a certain percentage of it, which is like almost 90 something percent, 80 something, whatever it may be, then it's a penalty or whatever. Okay.
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Joe Hayden
No, no. Okay.
- [61:39]
James Debo Harrison
They don't really care about that dude.
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Joe Hayden
Like, but, but that's the way because.
- [61:42]
James Debo Harrison
They do revenue sharing anyway.
- [61:43]
Joe Hayden
But that's no for sure. But I said that's the only reason though. But, but that's why it keeps. The salary cap keeps going up because it has to go up because it's a certain amount. If they, if we're make. If they're making more, then they have to, you know, say we're busting down to 50. 50. They got to spend.
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James Debo Harrison
Man, there ain't no 50, 50 break too. I, I scrape a certain amount. It's after they scrape a certain amount. Like I said, man, I could get deep into this thing.
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Joe Hayden
But I, I understand what you're saying, Debo, but people getting paid $60 million a year when back in the day when I think when we first got in around 20. When I first got in, I think around 2010, I think the highest paid quarterback was probably making $16 million a year. Yep. And then that has to be because the TV deals and salary and I.
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James Debo Harrison
Made 60,000 that same year. So now what?
- [62:36]
Joe Hayden
Damn, they tried.
- [62:37]
James Debo Harrison
What are we talking about? You're making billions and billions of dollars.
- [62:45]
Joe Hayden
No, I'm debo. We're speaking the same. We saying the same thing.
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James Debo Harrison
Oh, we ain't saying the same thing. You were saying a little something different. I'm saying uncast that thing.
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Joe Hayden
I'm. I hope they uncap it.
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James Debo Harrison
That would be in the wild, wild west.
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Joe Hayden
Ain't no way in hell they uncopping it though.
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James Debo Harrison
The Yankees now, the Yank. The Yankees out there doing that now, you hear?
- [63:04]
Joe Hayden
The Yankees has proven that, like you said, the. If it goes on cap, that's going to show which owners are trying to win for real.
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James Debo Harrison
No question. No question. Some people ain't gonna be able to compete.
- [63:14]
Joe Hayden
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
- [63:17]
James Debo Harrison
I think they're trying to keep it competitive. That might be it for sure.
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Joe Hayden
I don't know why does baseball not care though.
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James Debo Harrison
Dude? I don't know why baseball don't care, but the fact that the baseball don't care and the NFL still makes more money than any profess sport is crazy to me. Even though they're uncapped over here. Brings in more money like, even though, like. And they're, they're uncapped and we're still bringing in more money than them, like as a whole period. I mean, I understand it's more players on the team and all that other stuff, man, if you want to win, man, you spend the green to get in.
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Joe Hayden
That's, that's, that's that baseball uncapped. That's that overseas soccer money uncapped.
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James Debo Harrison
Oh, soccer ain't got no. Soccer ain't got no caps, man.
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Joe Hayden
That soccer boy, that soccer talk. That soccer got way more money than anybody. They, they got, they pay, they paying the team 20 million and then taking over the buddy's same contract. They're giving you 20 million just for him. Just give me him for 20 and then I'm contract and I'm gonna pay his contract, whatever and I'm pay his.
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James Debo Harrison
Contract, whatever it is, it don't matter.
- [64:30]
Joe Hayden
Yeah, I'm gonna get my boy. I'm gonna get my boy kicking a soccer ball. That's what I need to do.
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James Debo Harrison
I don't know about that. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta go over there. You know what I'm saying?
- [64:42]
Joe Hayden
Oh, we gotta move over there.
- [64:44]
James Debo Harrison
You gotta move over there, man. You gotta move over.
- [64:46]
Joe Hayden
Negative.
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James Debo Harrison
Yeah, I don't think it's too many. There's too many from here that got that, you know, they got that money like that. You know what I'm saying?
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Joe Hayden
I feel it.
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James Debo Harrison
Listen here man. NFLPA is for the players. NFL for the NFL. James Harrison, NFLPA Executive Director if my name on the ballot, I know what y' all doing. Look here man, we want to thank y' all for coming out here and being with us. Okay? Don't forget we are giving away to sets of two tickets to this game Sunday so that you can sit there and watch as my are our Pittsburgh Steelers. Get that. Get back against the Cincinnati Bengals. Follow Joe, myself, Debo and Joe like and subscribe for your opportunity to be picked for the winner tomorrow.
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Joe Hayden
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James Debo Harrison
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