Deebo & Joe - TNF REACTION: Sam Darnold & Seahawks TAKE DOWN Matthew Stafford & Rams in OT

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Deebo & Joe – TNF Reaction: Seahawks Take Down Rams in OT

Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Episode: TNF REACTION: Sam Darnold & Seahawks TAKE DOWN Matthew Stafford & Rams in OT
Date: December 19, 2025
Hosts: James "Deebo" Harrison & Joe
Note: Episode focused primarily on analyzing the Thursday Night Football game between the Seahawks and the Rams, with additional NFL commentary, injury stories, and some off-topic banter.

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Episode Overview

This episode features Deebo and Joe's dynamic and unfiltered reaction to a wild Thursday Night Football matchup: the Seattle Seahawks' dramatic overtime win against the Los Angeles Rams. The hosts break down critical moments, questionable decisions, and individual performances, while providing in-depth football analysis from a player's perspective. The episode also dives into broader NFL topics, including playoff implications, coaching choices, injury stories, and even touches on boxing with a Jake Paul vs Anthony Joshua debate.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Personal Banter & Opener

• Deebo and Joe open with light teasing about age and graying beards, setting a playful and candid tone.
  • Memorable moment:
    • Joe: "You look like you just had a little work... your grays is popping off in your beard a little more than they normally [do]." (03:35)
    • Deebo, laughing: "Disrespectful. I told you this was a no-die December!" (03:55)
• Anecdote about Deebo’s son joking about becoming a young father, leading into a spirited chat about "fighting father time."
  • Deebo: "I ain't being the granddad. I'm already over here dying grays." (05:27)

2. Game Flow Analysis: Seahawks vs. Rams

Rams' Aggressive Start (06:11–07:30)

• Rams played with heavy aggression, running the ball five of the first six plays, going for it on 4th-and-short.
  • Joe: "Super aggressive off the rip. Loved it. Went for fourth down two times. 10 plays, 32 yards, five minutes." (07:31)
  • But came up empty: "Great drive, consistent... but you don't get nothing out of it." (07:40)

Seahawks' Quick Response (07:44–08:17)

• Seattle counters with a big play—play-action and a throwback screen for 46 yards, leading to an early touchdown.
  • Joe: "The throwback screen. Beautiful setup, dude. ...Walker and Shoban, they was toting that pill." (08:00–08:13)

Rams Passing Attack, Big Moments for Puka Nacua (08:45–10:53)

• Highlighting Puka Nacua's toughness and productivity.
  • Joe: "Puka was going hard. Puka's not a small dude either. You're gonna have to bring your lunch pail." (08:31)
• Stafford’s arm angles & accuracy praised.
  • Joe: "Stafford was throwing them balls... those dig routes and going through the middle... beautiful." (10:30)
• Missed opportunities: Stafford missing Nacua for a potential TD.
  • Deebo: "But then he missed him on that second down where he could have got that touchdown." (10:49)
• Red Zone Struggles:
  Touchdown nullified by penalty, Rams settle for field goals.
  • Joe: "Illegal man downfield... whatever happens, they called the flag." (09:28)

Momentum Shifts: Defense and Special Teams (11:45–13:54)

• Rams' defense forces Seattle three-and-out; Turner making impact plays.
• Fumble at critical moment: Rams’ Coop loses the ball after a big gain, swinging momentum just before halftime.
  • Deebo: "Coop is taking off down the field and he fumbles... helmet right on that pill." (13:47)
• Halftime: Rams ahead 13–7

Explosive Second Half (14:16–18:44)

• Seahawks hit a 55-yard TD run (Walker).
• Rams keep hitting deep balls, especially to Puka Nacua, tallying up huge yardage (224+ receiving yards).
  • Joe: "If he ever had a one on one out of control, you had to double him! ...Puka, bro, was just..." (18:02)
• Seattle starts mounting a furious comeback with big special teams and aggressive play-calling.

Fourth Quarter Comeback & Overtime Drama (19:08–37:21)

• Seattle's comeback fueled by special teams: Rasheed Shaheed runs back a punt for TD (20:16).
  • "That's the best acquisition of free agency... he's a playmaker." (20:16)
• Aggressive two-point conversion calls and clutch offensive drives.
• Notable back-and-forth about the wild sequence of two-point conversions and a "backwards pass" call that led to a game-tying conversion.
  • Deebo: "They look at it... they say it was a backwards pass. ... At first I was like, that's BS. But ... the slow mo thing, I do see the ball coming back." (24:33–24:51)
• OT: Both sides trade possessions, Rams take a 37–30 lead, but under new OT rules, Seahawks respond.
• Walk-off moment: Sam Darnold hits JSN for the winner, then they go for two and get it with a crafty play design.
  • Joe: "He's lulling you to sleep... holding you off, holding you off, blocking, then zoomed up—in the endzone. That's a great offensive play." (31:45–33:21)
• Final: Seahawks win 38–37 in OT.

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3. Game Themes & Takeaways

Aggression & Situational Football

• Both teams’ aggressive playcalling, especially on 4th down, was heavily discussed and praised—even if results were mixed.
  • "Those were two good football teams playing versus each other." (33:39)
• Rams lose despite 16-point 4th quarter lead; hosts agree blame is split between special teams and defense.
  • Deebo: "Special teams and defense... You up by 16 points dude, in the fourth quarter... you have to close that out." (34:08)
• Missed field goal, turnovers, and failed red zone efficiency keep Rams from sealing the game.

Player Performances

• Puka Nacua’s monster game (224+ yards) highlighted as a "can’t-guard" night.
• Matthew Stafford's strong, if imperfect, performance: huge yardage but missed some chances.
• Sam Darnold’s composure in big moments—all eyes on the young Seahawks QB.

Coaching Decisions and Officiating

• Hosts discuss controversial calls and officiating consistency on "man downfield" and two-point conversions, with grudging acceptance of replay reviews.

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4. Around the NFL: Steelers & Browns Preview (39:34–52:01)

Pittsburgh Steelers Talk (39:34–44:58)

• Deebo details what the Steelers must do to slow Detroit—priority on stopping the run, keeping Jared Goff in tough situations, and not letting up on defense.
  • "Defense, we need to stop the run. We cannot let Gibbs or Montgomery get started with any level of success." (40:07)
  • Joe emphasizes defense “doing your 1/11th” and gap integrity.

Cleveland Browns & Shador Preview (48:05–52:01)

• Discussion about Browns’ rookie QB Shador facing Buffalo's top passing defense.
  • Joe: "I need them to keep Shador ahead of the sticks... we don’t have the firepower at receiver or tight end to just have him drop back and throw all day." (48:59)
  • Emphasis on ball control, running game, and not forcing passes.

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5. Other Topics & Rapid Fire Segments

Jake Paul vs. Anthony Joshua Debate (52:02–58:13)

• Spirited discussion about the credibility of Jake Paul’s boxing challenges and the authenticity of knock-out clauses in contracts.
  • Joe: "I just don't think Jake Paul is ready for the real professional heavyweight champions like Anthony Joshua." (53:02)
  • Both hosts joke about reaching out to their (celebrity) contacts to see what’s actually in the contracts.

Fan Q&A and Personal History (61:28–64:41)

• Viewers submit "super chat" questions:
  • Biggest career regrets: Both wish they'd invested in physical therapy and health earlier.
  • Worst injuries: Joe details a concussion and double sports hernia, Deebo recounts a grueling back injury—two surgeries in nine days during a playoff run.
    • Deebo: "Played the last 14 weeks with my discs in my back, like, bulging..." (62:49)
• Birthday shoutout to fan “Covenant Life Back” (64:52)

NFL Pick ‘Em (Pride App segment) (58:18–61:28)

• Deebo and Joe share their player picks (A.J. Brown, Saquon Barkley, Jordan Love, Josh Allen) for the week, agree on “playing” rather than “fading” the selections.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Puka was going hard. Puka's not a small dude... you gotta bring your lunch pail." – Joe (08:31)
• "Dude, Seattle's good, bro. ... now looking back, I'm like, yeah, they're actually very, very, very good." – Deebo (33:26)
• "Special teams and defense... You up by 16 points dude, in the fourth quarter... you have to close that out." – Deebo (34:08)
• "If they would have lost, they could have been looking crazy. But shit, if it was the fifth, we'd all be drunk and they came out that joint." – Joe on Seahawks' gutsy calls (37:39)
• "Played that whole season... with my discs in my back... I had twice where I was getting epidurals, dude, on a Saturday to play Sunday." – Deebo on injuries (62:48)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment/Event | Timestamp | |------------------------------------------------------------|:-------------:| | Playful banter about aging, fatherhood, and grays | 03:23–06:04 | | Rams’ opening drive and aggression | 06:08–07:39 | | Seattle's explosive play & early TD | 07:44–08:17 | | Puka Nacua highlight reel | 08:31–10:53 | | Red zone struggles, flags | 09:28–09:42 | | Defensive/special teams turning points | 11:45–13:54 | | Seahawks’ big 55-yard TD in 2nd half | 14:16–14:24 | | Fourth quarter comeback, special teams TD | 19:08–21:03 | | Crazy two-point conversion—replay review | 24:32–24:54 | | OT drama: JSN game-winner & two-point conversion | 30:31–33:26 | | Post-game blame analysis: special teams vs defense | 34:08–35:12 | | Steelers/Lions preview (Deebo’s defensive keys) | 39:34–44:58 | | Browns/Bills preview: Shador’s challenge | 48:41–52:01 | | Jake Paul vs. Anthony Joshua debate | 52:02–58:18 | | Pride App Pick 'Em segment | 58:18–61:28 | | Fan Q&A: career, injuries | 61:28–64:41 | | Birthday & “Live from St. Lucia” banter | 64:07–65:31 |

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Conclusion

This episode is a must-listen for fans who crave inside-the-huddle analysis, laugh-out-loud banter, and a no-nonsense take on football’s finest and strangest moments. Deebo and Joe bring both expertise and personality—peppering sharp breakdowns of Rams-Seahawks with stories from their playing days, direct answers to fan questions, and passionate mini-debates that go well beyond the box score.

For those who missed the episode, you’ll come away with:

• A clear understanding of the game’s narrative arc and pivotal plays
• Strong opinions on what it takes to close out games in the NFL
• Respect for the personal and physical journeys of two football vets
• A few good laughs and some locker room wisdom

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Transcript

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

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[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Welcome back to Deebo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co host, Joe. I just hope both teams have fun hating. Now make sure you guys like and subscribe because you don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today, Joe?

[Joe]

Man, I'm doing great today, Deebo. I'm doing. How you doing, brother?

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

I'm always doing good, baby.

[Joe]

You look. Yeah, you look like you just had a little work. You. I'm at. How old are you again, Debo?

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

47.

[Joe]

47. Okay. You look like you got a little today, honestly. You look like you got a little years on you. You look a little older than normal.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

What that mean, bro?

[Joe]

I think you like your grays is popping off in your beard a little more than they normally.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Oh, my God.

[Joe]

I mean, no, no, just.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Oh, my God.

[Joe]

I thought I just had to be blatantly honest with you. That's what I'm gonna do. I'm here for you.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Disrespectful. I told you that in confidence that this was a no die December and you had the nerve to actually pull it. Can't nobody see this from here.

[Joe]

Yeah, just slide in a little bit, Debo. Slide in a little bit. I can see it. The light is bright. You got you nice and you nice and sand you nice and Santa looking all right there. That. Yeah, welcome. Just accept it, Debo. Just go full blown gray. I'm not even saying it's a bad thing. Just accept it.

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[Joe]

Just go.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Did you just die yours?

[Joe]

No, man, I'm young, Jody. Man, you see me, you know I'm good.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

I. Right there. You got a big long one right there. I'm looking at Joe right there. It might be two.

[Joe]

You have to, man. Devo, chill out, man. We going. I'm a. Yeah. I got two. I got two little grades.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

I'm taking it.

[Joe]

You know what I'm saying? I'll take it. I got a full blown Santa.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

How old are you?

[Joe]

36. Just with two, man.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Listen, man, I'm almost. I'm almost 15 years older than you and I'm just. Now, you know what I'M saying, I'm just now coming. You young man to be getting some grades in there now. Joe. Hey, Joe, I got kids on you. Let me tell you this story. Listen, this is a joke, people, okay? This is a joke, all right? My son, we. We riding and he. He playing around. He's like, dad, I got a kid on. I'm like, I know you ain't got no kid on the way. I said, I castrate you. I said, no, you ain't got no kid on the way. He said, it was too late. Like it's already done. Like it's already done. You can't cast. I said. I said, it don't matter. I said, I ain't being. I said, I ain't being the granddad. I said, I'm already over here dying grays.

[Joe]

No, for sure, that's not happening.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

That is not happening. That I would have been messing my life up. I said, no, it ain't got nothing to do with you. They not about to be calling me granddad.

[Joe]

Come on. You're not ready to.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

You know what? I got to disown you. I got one son. Now you're. Wow.

[Joe]

You're not ready to be granddad yet. No, you look, man, take it. Accept it. Debo, that's your son. And you owe enough. Now you old enough to show be granddaddy.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

No, listen, bro, man, no, I can't. No, man, I'm already here fighting father time. Then you go. Go ahead and just get me locked up. No. Oh, no.

[Joe]

That's gonna put years on you.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

That's gonna put years on your boyfriend's show. Look here, man, we had a great game over.

[Joe]

One of the best. One of the best of the year.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Yes, definitely, man. Seattle, they. They pulled it out at the end, man. Like, I think I would have did the same thing. I think I would have went for it. But anyway, let's jump. Let's jump. Let's jump on into gangsters. Gangsters, brother. Gangsters. Real life rams. Get up out there, man. And I'm thinking, you know, they was go past the Rock, bro, and they come out there like they trying to play a little bit of smash mouth.

[Joe]

Yes. Trying to smash.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Yeah. I think it was, what, five of the first six plays they ran the rock. I think Williams was eight on that first down. I think he got one on the second. They got a little something. And then they go for it. Dude, on 4th and 1, they went for it twice. Straight to him, dude. Three yards on that one. They get to another first down. He picks up on seven on that one. And then I think it was second. It was like a four yards. Another. That was another first down. He. That was two back to back carries for 11 that he got a first down on. And then I think Stafford ended up scrambling for four and then it was Williams for two and I think it was Stafford, he hit Ferguson for three. They. Dude, that was a solid tackle, bro.

[Joe]

Oh yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Solid tackle that ended up putting them at the 4th and 1. They go for it again.

[Joe]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Oh no.

[Joe]

Super aggressive off the rip. Loved it. Went for fourth down two times. 10 plays, 32 yards, five minutes.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Nothing. Nothing.

[Joe]

I'm saying like great drive, consistent. You on the field, but you don't get nothing out of it. Blank.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Right, right. Seattle get up out there. They. They go ahead, think they tell them we go do the same thing. But they play action. They drop it towards the Barner. He got eight on that one. I think Walker picks up the first down on the next play. And then it's a screen to Walker.

[Joe]

Dude, the throwback screen. Beautiful setup, dude.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

He goes 46, I think to the LA5.

[Joe]

Yep.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

And then I believe it was second down. They ended up scoring on the four yard run by the other running.

[Joe]

We got Shobany. Yeah, yeah, them two, Walker and Shoban, they was toting that pill.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Yes, they. That's seven. That's seven to nothing right now. 707 0, first play. Rams get the rock back. Puka, I think got nine. He was shaking. He did. Hey, I ain't gonna lie. He was fighting all night though, bro.

[Joe]

Puka was going hard. Puka's not a small dude either too, bro. He's 6 2, 2 16. Like he bring. You gotta bring your lunch pail. He's not no little receiver. 511, 175. No I'm catching this and now you gotta tackle me. Like he gets active with it.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

I respect.

[Joe]

They had to watch that. That was nice.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Second down, they ended up picking up another five for the first. Then Stafford, he hits Allen for 27. Wide open.

[Joe]

Bust the coverage.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Yeah, definitely bust the coverage. I think they ended up getting to where they went for that 4th and 5.

[Joe]

Did you see that hands catch up?

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

He shot through the man's hands to catch the wall on the other side of him, brother.

[Joe]

That's like the drill that you do with a shield in front of your face and you just throw your. You got to throw your hands around it. That's just hands.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Dude. That was crazy.

[Joe]

That was. Yes, that was nice. Come on, man.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Man, they get to. What was it? Fourth and goal at the one, and they go for it.

[Joe]

But illegal man downfield scored a touchdown. They smacked. They kind of. He kind of pushed him forward a little bit because he was engaged with Buddy. You know what I'm saying? So do you think it was. But whatever happens, they called the flag.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

But I ain't gonna lie, it was a play later on where they did like another screen like that. And I thought the dudes was like 3 yards downfield when he caught it. I'm like, I ain't call that one. I'm like, I don't know.

[Joe]

Probably get back home.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Yeah, it might. Yeah, it might have been a makeup. It's three to seven. It's three to seven, man. Seattle get out there. And the defense is able to hold after giving up nine on the first down because dude drops the pass on the second down. And then I think it was Forbes. He made a nice.

[Joe]

My man. See, he's. Man, that's what I'm talking about. Them DBs, they know it's third. He's third.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Sticks.

[Joe]

I'm off. He did not backpedal at all. Waited for that man to sit on the sticks. Made a great play on jsn. So that was good. Good defense by him.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Yeah, they. They punt the rock off. I think that's when the Rams got back out there. And Staffer, he hit that boy Puka.

[Joe]

That man puka.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Was that 54?

[Joe]

Yes, brother. Yes. Stafford was throwing them balls though them dig routes and going through the middle. He was hitting the on stride right in this first window, second window, and didn't matter. He was looking people off. That dig was just on the money. That's why Stafford arm angles. Being able to drop the ball like that was beautiful.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Yeah, but then he missed him on that second down where he could have got that touchdown. Dude.

[Joe]

But look what I'm saying. My man threw for 500. That would have been 650 yards.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

It would have been wild. But you needed it. Oh, yeah, you needed it now.

[Joe]

Definitely miss.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

You needed it now. They get the third. Nate and I think Stafford hitting. What is it? Winnington 19.

[Joe]

Jordan Winnington.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Took him to the Seattle, what, 13, 14 yard line. And they go for it again on 4th and 2. I don't think kinda.

[Joe]

They didn't really go. It was like, you gonna jump?

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Yeah, maybe, maybe not. They go jump. They not go jump. Okay. Nah, they ain't gonna do it. Let's go ahead and get this delayed game. It's six to seven. Six, seven. You know, six, seven, all that. How that kids go crazy. We ain't about to go crazy on that.

[Joe]

Just a baby jump.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

All right. No question. Just a baby. Yeah, why not? One jump? Yeah. Seattle get out there. First play, they fall, start behind the sticks.

[Joe]

They were doing good. If they didn't get behind the sticks, that was just.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Yeah, that, that got them behind the sticks. That, that helped the defense force them to a three and out two. Back to back pressures. The first down should have been a sack, but he ended up getting a yard. Second down, he did get sacked. And then the Rams, they ended up having a nice return on the punt.

[Joe]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

I think they come out and the Rams, they end up getting the rock.

[Joe]

Wait, they start toting that ball, handing it off.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

They switched it up. Yeah, they did. Yeah. Listen, we go, go six or seven. We go around six plays out of the. We go around the ball six times out of the first seven plays. Where's this Corum you went nine, four, three, four nine. And then another three on the second and one. That put him at the Seattle 28. First down, Stafford goes to Williams. I think that was six. And then he hit Monfield for 11. They first and goal at the eight. And then second down, Stafford connects again. Ferguson.

[Joe]

Ferguson.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

He gets the three yard touchdown. They up now 13 to 7. Yep. Seattle gets out there and they get sacked for a eight yard loss on Seattle Turner.

[Joe]

That Turner was hooping the entire game.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Yes. Dude, listen. And then on third down, these boys is doing basically a give up draw. And this man Williams pulls 17 on him.

[Joe]

Breaking tackles, spinning up out of the crowd's booing while my man is toting, Right?

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

While he's toting, they booing. And then. Oh yeah.

[Joe]

Oh yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Okay.

[Joe]

Yeah, man.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Janky. Yeah. And they get to the third one. They sneak him, Darnold, he get the first down, then second. It's a holding by the defense that gives him a first. And then Darnold to Coop. Coop is taking off down the field and he fumbles through.

[Joe]

That was a. He put his helmet right on that pill.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Right on the pill. They did a little review trying to see if they could get it at the one they. They did. They didn't allow it. They ended up putting the ball on the 20. LA comes out, they just basically burn off the first half. Ends up 13 to 7 at halftime. @ halftime. And then Seattle comes out to start the second half. Full plays, bro. 65 yards for.

[Joe]

The. They got a little first down, little touch push and they did that thing to Kenneth.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Walker. Yes.

[Joe]

55.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Galloping. 55 to the house. Galloping. Now they up 13 to 14. LA. Get back out there. They get to a third and nine. Stafford hits.

[Joe]

Who. Who? That man, Zaire.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Smith. Smith. They hit Smith for.

[Joe]

48. Down to the.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

28. Oh, down to the Twinkie foe. But they get a holding on the next play. It's first and 20 now. Seattle is able to hold them to a field.

[Joe]

Goal. That little fleet flicker screen they ran was nice to get it to manageable. So they did get it to manageable and still wasn't able to.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Convert. Yeah, they end up going up 16, 14, no big to do. Seattle come out there, they return the favor. They give them a false start on second down. But.

[Joe]

Then. Then his first. His first catch of the. His first catch of the game. Welcome to the game. Jsn. This is what kind of switched it up a little.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Bit.

[Joe]

He. Donald started, but they moved him around. They put him in the backfield for him to get his first catch. He coming out the backfield running 20 on the first catch. So I'm like this. Okay. That's what good offenses do. Your man. They doubling them, move them around. You got to get your best player the ball to get him involved, get him feeling something. So I like that.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Pussy. That DB had a nice play on that first down, though, D. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Third down now, though, Donald is picked off by Wallace and he returns that thing to the one. Me, I'm jumping in the air or diving when I get to that point and I see dude right.

[Joe]

There. Hold up. Which one we talking.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

About? The one where Seattle ends up throwing the. He throw. He throws the pick. I think Darnold threw the.

[Joe]

Pick. I don't think he threw the pick.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Yet. When was that.

[Joe]

One? That was this one. This one was when he almost. He almost threw the pick. They got the holding penalty.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Incomplete. Yeah, they got to the next third.

[Joe]

Round. They punted.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Though. They punted on that.

[Joe]

One. Yeah. Yeah, they punted on that.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

One. I might have it mixed up. Go ahead, take it.

[Joe]

Off. Hold on. No, no, you. I'm. No, you're right. You're right. You're right. I that.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Up. Okay. I was. I was saying, like, I'm like. I'm pretty sure LA ended up scoring that next play. That's how. That's how they went 24 to.

[Joe]

Thomas. That's when Turner. That's when Turner did what you did. The little get in there and then get back.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Out. No, you thinking. You thinking the other one. That was the second.

[Joe]

One. Okay, yeah. I'm fucked up then. My bad. Debo, go.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Ahead. Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah. So what's the score right now? What's the score right.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Now? La get back out there. The first play they score is 23 to 14. All right. Seattle gets back out there, they get the Rock. I think that's when Darnold hit what's dude named barner for the first down, like 10 yards. Okay, next play. Yeah, the next play. I think he hits. No he didn't. Dude missed the interception. That was the next play where dude dropped that pick. He got his arm hit when he was passing the.

[Joe]

Rock. Yep, yep, yep.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Yep. Yes. And then the second down he hit JSN for 12. 12. Yes sir. Yes sir. They get a holding call on first. LA is able to hold them from that they punt the Rock. LA get the Rock back. I think it was like the first third and three that they had. They had two of them. Smith again, Smith again for nine. And then the second, third and three.

[Joe]

Puka 58 bruh to the.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Five. Shaking and.

[Joe]

Bacon. Puka bro was just. If he ever had a one on one out of control, you had to double him. And Bradford was putting the ball on the money. Those dig routes, those slants, those.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Middle of the fields all game. Because. I'm doubling that man. I ain't letting him do that. What do you get like two and some change or something.

[Joe]

Bro? 224, something like.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

That? No, I'm not doing that. I'm not letting you do.

[Joe]

That. Beating you the whole game. He was doing it the whole.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Game. Yes. Third and goal. He finished it off with a little one yard dump to put a. No look, no look. Through.

[Joe]

Traffic. Through traffic. That's just. It's real noisy in there. Great ball lowing away. He.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Not. He's safe catch touchdown to 14. Now bro, I'm thinking there's no way that they about to be able to do anything with that. But Seattle gets the Rock. They move it down to the LA 10 yard line on five plays bro, like Darnold hits Smith. That was 20, 27. And then it was another nine.

[Joe]

Later.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Yes. And then he hits Walker for 13. The third then third down I think it was like from the six he gets picked. This is.

[Joe]

When. That's when he did your drops.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

In. Yes, yes. So come.

[Joe]

In. Yeah, get a little bit of love from the lineman, then back out.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Question. He picks the thing off and right there. I think they start at the what 10 or 11.

[Joe]

Something. I think they got. He moved. He returned like the 14, 15, something like.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

That. Okay, cool, cool. See, Adam's defense comes out there, stands.

[Joe]

Up. This is when they got the pick. Debo. Now you like game.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Right?

[Joe]

Right. I almost stopped watching. But this is why you watch football, though. This is what makes this game so good. All that stuff we talked about, everything that was going on, back and forth and back and forth. Okay, you're still down by 16. You throw a pick like, all right, is the game over? No. Your defense goes out there, gets a three and out, and now they punt. And when they punt now, like the three and out is already like, oh, we're.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Geeked. We're gonna have a short.

[Joe]

Field. We're gonna have a short field. Yeah, yeah, we. Okay, but now we don't have Joe. They punt and my man takes it to the crib like they said. That was the best acquisition of free agency because he started Rasheed Tahid, that dude, he could he just get the ball in his hands. He's a playmaker. You see, from this point, when he ran back the punt, then he's going to get another play. You know what I'm saying? Eventually, but just playmakers making plays, special teams letting you down. You're up 16. We just need defense. Got to stop. Special teams runs the ball back deep. Your offense has been a little bit shaky right here, but this is going to be able to get it going like a whole. I saw like, really in real time, saw momentum, like, oh, my goodness, like, could they really do this? And then they go for.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Two. Go for two. When they made the two, I'm like, yeah, it's game.

[Joe]

Time. Come on.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Debo. It's game time. LA, get back out there. And the Defense Forces another 3.

[Joe]

0. They're geeked out.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

There. And special teams, what they do, bro? You cut out, you cut.

[Joe]

Out. Oh, what they.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Do. No, you good. You good. Cut out. He punched the ball. He shanks. He shanked the dude. That's not a good battle. Is starting to at midfield the first play. Dude, give him the reverse. Shahid.

[Joe]

Go. Come on. That's what I'm talking about. Give it to our playmakers. Give him the.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Ball. Yes. Then Darnold his barner for 26 wide.

[Joe]

Open. I'm over.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Here. The boot. Reverse touchdown.

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[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

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[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

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[Joe]

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[Joe]

IBM, That was a good catch.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Too. Eight. Yes. Yes.

[Joe]

Nice. Could it do it a little bit? Like it's wide.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Open? Why? You got.

[Joe]

It? He went and got.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

That. He went and got it. Is 28 to 30. They have to go for two to tie it up. The play is. Well, we're thinking it's.

[Joe]

Incomplete.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Okay. They look at it, they go through it. They say it was a backwards pass. He picks the ball up. The conversion is good. I ain't gonna lie. At first I was like, that's. That's bs. But when they do that slow mo thing, I do see the ball coming back to the line tighter and tighter.

[Joe]

Yeah. Even if it's parallel, they say it's.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Backwards. So you know that. Right? Right. You catch it and you go. They go, say it's still good because it wasn't going forward like, and that one was going back. You can see it getting closer and closer to the line. You know, it is what it is. Game tied.

[Joe]

Up. Grab the ball. The ball's on the ground. You know how they always say, though, Debo, don't leave. Like, even if they didn't hear.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

The whistle blow, pick it up. Just not about the finish. Finish that. Just get the.

[Joe]

Ball. That was.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Crazy. And he just grabbed it off.

[Joe]

Of. He just grabbed it off. Chilling. If it wasn't in the end zone, he wasn't going to move it over across the line. He didn't know where he was. He just saw the football like, oh, hey, let me go pick this joint up. I'm gladly. I'm in the end zone. He could have easily been on the one and just turned around and we'd have been like, what are we going to get now? Like, he walked out of bounds.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Backwards. Right, right. Seattle, I think it was LA went back out again. And now, well, basically they just trade three and outs until LA gets back out there. Third and three, Stafford, his Ferguson for 27, plus another 15 funds for getting fumbed. Hey, I ain't gonna lie. I. When he first hit him, I'm like, dude, that's a clean hit. And then, you know that slow mo thing? That's.

[Joe]

That. Yeah, dog, man, he went and gave him some though. Yeah, yeah, I just like, I just look for football. He caught the feet, caught the fly ball. I'm the over the top safety. I gotta give him some five. I gotta fire on him. Debo, if you don't fire on him, I'm like this.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

See? And. And now that's a situation where he was probably like, I'm not gonna go low because he can't see.

[Joe]

Me. Well, man, but not. But you got to, you got to, you got to. You gotta go, you gotta, you gotta go at that, you gotta go at his. You gotta hit him in the, in the chest. You know what I'm.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Saying? Like, no, I wouldn't even go in his chest right there. I would have went low.

[Joe]

Aim. I'm gonna pull up, pull up, pull up the.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Phone. You gotta think about the last second he gonna see you coming if he just do this. Let me tell you this, let me tell you.

[Joe]

This. Let me tell you. I. I know I've been Godwin, I could show you. When I played Tampa, we played Tampa in Tampa when I was at the Steelers, Godwin had that little over route and they threw it to him it was floating and I saw him the whole way. And I went right. You got, you. You can have aim as a db. You got time and you can see it especially. And just plant that jump right in his chest or a little bit lower stomach, like abs. Abs area. And you gonna hit him in the.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Chest. Do you see how big the dude was? He was hitting.

[Joe]

You. You hitting who, man? Goodwin. If it went like six twos, I would have hit him right in his chest too.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Bruh. Today's game. You better lower that target.

[Joe]

Area. I.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Know. I'm not trying to hit nobody. Thickest part of their.

[Joe]

Body. You wanna hit him in the legs, just so he's. So he can whip.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Down. I gotta get him down. I gotta make sure I save my.

[Joe]

Money.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Respect. That's. That's. That's just. That's just what it's gonna be. That moved them to the 31. And then I think it was a holding on LA. So the defense is able to hold them. Field goal.

[Joe]

Attempt. 48 yards and he misses it just a little bit. Just kept on going right. Little Pepton going just a little.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Bit. Seattle, get out there and do Nathan. Go three and out. He gets sacked on. Second down. Third down. They bad his.

[Joe]

Past. My man. My dude doing the whole thing. He just took the whole.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Drive. Yes, yes. They. They give it. They give it back to LA. Second down. Here come this man pool again. Fighting 27. Fighting, bro. Second down. I think it's another first on a.

[Joe]

Rebound. Great defense. Great catch, dig route. My man got hurt in that. His hand was in there. That was great offense and.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Defense. Right? Then they able to hold him. They forced him to punt. I think Seattle got the ball back. Ended up getting sacked on the second down in the regulation. We are now in.

[Joe]

Overtime. We are now in over.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Innings. LA gets the ball first in overtime. They get a good return, but they get a holding call. Puts them back to the Twinkie. Here he goes. First down, Puka for nine, then Corum for 13. And then that second down, he missed him wide open. Cause they got some pressure on him. That could have been a big.

[Joe]

One. But we got legal.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Contact. We got legal contact on second down. They ended up getting them in.

[Joe]

First.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Wow. And then the next second down. Dude, that could have been an.

[Joe]

Interception. Could have been this tip. That tip just fluttering right ahead. Tips and overthrows cannot go.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Unpunished. Yes. Then the following. Second down, second and 9. 41. Stafford hit that man.

[Joe]

Again. Just second dig.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Window. Beautiful. Boom.

[Joe]

Beautiful. He had the dagger. You had the tight End running through the middle, which took your middle read, man. And then he hit that dig right behind him. Beautiful ball, beautiful timing. And puka, man, just 225 yards. You gotta put. You gotta have eyes on that, man. I'm not taking the tight end running down the middle of the field. I'm looking at that dagger. I'm thinking, oh, this is probably where they're gonna go. I think that might be a good idea. Don't do that. Has 200.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Yards. 37 to 30. But it's new overtime rule, baby. Y' all get a.

[Joe]

Chance. We get a.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Chance. Y' all get a chance.

[Joe]

Baby. And now, and now. When you get the chance, though. It's four down.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Territory. It's four down. Everything is four.

[Joe]

Down.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Everything. Used it, though. They didn't need.

[Joe]

To. They didn't need it. They didn't need.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

It. They didn't need.

[Joe]

It. You're.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Correct. Second down, Darnold hits that man on the other side for.

[Joe]

17. Good old toe.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Tap. Yes. Then the next second down, I think they got a first down because of a defensive pass interference. The following second down, Coop says, hey, I gotta make up for that.

[Joe]

Man. That's how you drag. That's how you. That's how you drag your.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Legs. Toe.

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[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Swag. Got that thing down for 21, bruh. Nice. Nice catch. Nice catch. They get to the only third down they had. I mean, so, hey, he said, I'm gonna go ahead and get.

[Joe]

Five.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Yep. To the four yard.

[Joe]

Line. It's big boy.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Run. Four yard line. And then first down and go Darnold. Who finished that thing off.

[Joe]

Man? Jsn, man. Dig route, back line. Beautiful route. Beautiful.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Place. Ball back line. It is now 36 to 37. And they said, hey, we've been scoring too today. We ain't got time. We got time for a time we already.

[Joe]

Hit. We done went 2, 2 on the last two point.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Conversion. We here, we here. I'm going home with something wide open. Dude played that so smooth. He sat in there like blocking, blocking, and then zoomed up real.

[Joe]

Easy. I've been in that situation as that corner so bad. Forbes, that's his man. He's lulling you to sleep. You almost thinking like, now you got a nub. You ready to go steal something? Go help. You still got your man. So, like end of the day, he's blocking, but like, you gotta get closer. You're in the red zone, you're in the end zone. Any type of yards. He just started kind of like just feeling like he Was and just started bouncing into the end zone. That sucks. That's a great offensive play. They played that so perfectly. Because I've been in that situation where tight end, that's your man. You gotta start kind of slimming up to him. Cause end of the day, if he does release, that's you, nobody else but you. So you saw him kind of coming there like, no, but it's like, it's only two yards. They need this one play. You could have made a.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Tackle. Gotta play a.

[Joe]

Tighter. Yeah, come on, man. That's game. You know what I'm saying? So once it gets to that, I felt for him. I was looking at him like this. That's just great. Offense holding him off, holding him off. He's blocking, blocking. And I feel like Sam knew who he was going to the whole time. Like, he's just going to wait, wait, wait. If I just get a little bit. Yes, he's blocking. He's going to come right.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Across. I'm looking, I'm looking. I see areas. Everything's.

[Joe]

Tight. Only thing the corner could have.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Did. Waiting on him to shake.

[Joe]

Loose. Only thing the corner could have did was come as soon as he's number one. Forbes. He could, as soon as they hiked it, come down and just get like, get close to him. Just stand over top of him. Because once he goes, that's you. The only way you can be is be attached to him. You know what I'm saying? You can't add on. You can't try to go help somebody. That's your assignment. And I feel you because he's blocking. So you're like, okay, you gonna free up. That's what we talk about in a lot of those other things. Stealing daggers. We see people on the backside being able to corners go help the other side. But if he leaks out, that's still yours. You know what I'm saying? That's nobody's responsibility but you. So great play by them. And that's how you go win a.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Game. No question. They convert that right there. Game.

[Joe]

Over. Game.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Over. 38, 37. Seattle. Dude. Seattle is. Dude, Seattle's good, bro. Like, like, like when we first lost to him, I was upset. I'm like, now looking back, I'm like, yeah, they're actually. They're actually very, very, very good.

[Joe]

Dude. Those was two good football teams playing versus each.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Other. Yes. I mean, I'm a solely. Well, I ain't gonna solely put the loss on the special teams, but la, they. They found a way as a whole team to lose this game. But special teams and defense more than anybody else. You up by 16 points, dude, in the fourth quarter, what was it? 30 to 14? You have to close that out. Yeah, special teams goes out there and gives up the touchdown and then the, the kick, the, the field goal.

[Joe]

Kicker tells you to win it to.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Go up, he misses it to go up, which could have won in the game. And then you know, you add on top of that the defense lost like too many situational issues. I mean the three two point conversions that they along with you know, a mispicked here or there and dude, they just, they let, they let Smith.

[Joe]

Njuku go get what he needed in the second half.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Yes. Yeah. And you add, like I said, it's a whole, it's a whole defense. And then the offense, three or six in the red zone, had a couple times where they got no point. They had one time where they got no points. And then you sell them for threes la what they had almost 600 yards of offense. But if you looking at the sheet and you don't see a score, first thing you thinking is like, oh, they beat them real bad. Like they had six. Nah, the points didn't, you know, it didn't go and dictate what the score should have been because the defense stood up and did what was necessary when they, you know, got them into those situations to give their offense a chance along with, you know, special teams doing what they supposed to do and chip.

[Joe]

In. Bro, the thing is it's a team game and we saw two really, really good football teams playing against each other. And then especially like you said too, the Seahawks, the Rams lost the game. I say special teams, they kind of sold when they ran it back, the field goal that they missed and then Puka at early touchdown. We said they had opportunities. Matt Stafford missed Puka on an easy touchdown early in the game. Then the wild two point conversions that, that ball that we never see like hits him upside the head, you know what I'm saying? Random plays, they didn't turn the ball over. He threw for 450 some yards, you know what I'm saying? So they did.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Right. And it's hard to say they got two interceptions off ode bro had.

[Joe]

Two interceptions and they had a fumble, you know what I'm saying? So your defense, they, they bend but don't break. So it's hard to say like your offense, you gotta sometimes at the end of the game trying to, when you're up by 16 in the fourth quarter, just sustaining a little bit of drives but that's Seahawks. You can't keep like every time they've been able to get those three and outs when they needed it, when it mattered most, being able to get those, being able for Sam Darnold to start hitting jsn, being able to get those two point conversions when they needed them. However, if it was a fluke play or however it was, the plays were made when they needed to be made. So that was just two teams battling the Rams. I am still confident leaving that game. Like I don't think, oh yeah, like those dudes are going to be fine. They didn't have Devontae Adams and that's a red zone target. That's 14 tutties. So I think their red zone lows at the beginning of the game, like not getting points, the fourth and two is going for it. Like that's a turnover. You know what I'm saying? Like those things on that part, they. I still believe in the Rams. I love what they have. I love when they get Devontae. They can run the ball. Puka is unbelievable. But then with the Seahawks, I'm looking at them like they're a great team also to have to have those.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Far better than what I thought they were. Dude, these boys had three turnovers and still came back and won the.

[Joe]

Game. And.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

What? Getting.

[Joe]

None. Crazy and getting none. So like being able to make plays when you need to, being able to stand up when you have to. You know what I'm saying? And being able to get the dub going forward on fourth down, down by 16 twice. Bomb, bomb. Got both of those. And then going forward again for the win. Like I love the play call. I love the way that they just believed in like no, we already lost it and we want to. We're going out this game to win. If they would have lost it, it was. They could have been looking crazy. But shit, if it was the fifth, we all be drunk and they came out that joint so they look.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Like Jesus, why I'm drinking.

[Joe]

Water. Yeah, I got a little coffee. I got a little coffee. That's why not the.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Fifth. Listen, that man, that man pooking the court, he. I guess he doubled down on his criticism in a deleted post that he put out there. He said, he said. Can I say, can you say I was wrong? Appreciate you stripes for your contributions. LOL. I guess McVeigh, he had a. He had an issue with the over current. The overturned call too. Listen, y' all just got to look at that man. It is, it. It is exactly what the call.

[Joe]

Was supposed to be letter of the.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Law. You can. You can say what you want to. It ain't like gray. Like he had to, you know, put down three steps or something, you know what I'm saying? Like, that was what it was.

[Joe]

Like. Everybody saw and as many times they were rewinding it and recording it. And we saw parallel is backwards. So he threw the ball. We saw it was going backwards. The defensive lineman hit it, it ricocheted off of him. And then when you get a clear cut recovery, we saw my man walk in the end zone, pick up the ball. Letter of the law. That's a touchdown. You know what I'm saying? So I know it sucks if it happens against you. You don't want. It's like. It's just a random crazy play. Like when you see something and you break down. Did he throw the ball backwards? Yes, he did. Then the ball went into the end zone. Hoover covered it. Okay, they got it. That's a touchdown. Boom. Like, you know what I'm saying? It sucks that it had to be you, but like if it was on your. It would be like this. Well, law says ball went backwards. It's lateral. Like you would take it if it was on your side. But when it's letter of the law that hits, it just. It just you. It doesn't. It doesn't feel good. So I. I know what they're saying because it sucks when it happens to you, but if it was for you, I think you would take.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

It. Well, you definitely gotta take it. That one's just that. That was clear to me. That. That one is totally clear. Like, you know that the stuff we had in Baltimore, like if that was us. I'm still talking about that.

[Joe]

Today.

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[Joe]

Yeah. Okay. For sure. For.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Sure. Matter of fact, the Stillers, we go against the Lions, we. We go do some lion, you know, we go do some lines over there. But we are going to possibly, I guess, be without Herbic and Watt and Sawyer is preparing for his first start. Dude. So Distillers. As. As I always say, defense, we need to stop the run. We cannot let Gibbs or Montgomery get started with any level of success. If we do that, they will be in favorable down the distance situations. So our front seven, we have to ball. Okay. They say is next man up. We are going to.

[Joe]

See.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Yep. If it's next man up, we keep them out of favorable down the distance situations, then we're able to hopefully get pressure on. We have to get pressure on him. If we do not get pressure on golf hit him like it's not gonna be pretty our DBs, dude, we have to jam, punch these receivers, go off timing and play the biggest thing we need to play penalty free and when they catch the ball, tackle short tackles, no missed tackles, no yak. We have to eliminate chunk plays. We can't have them out there catching the ball and taking off on us or giving up huge plays. That's not, that's. That's not going to be conducive. And we need offense success, period. I don't care what it is, whether it's running, whether it's quick passing rhythm, passing that makes it to where it's like a run, whatever that may be so that we can actually get in down the distance favorable situations we can. We have to, have to, have to, have to, have to, have to protect Rodgers, have to like. We have to give this man time to get the ball to our receivers. With that we need to chip these pass rushes and when they go in situations where they play man on dk, we got to take advantage of that. Matter of fact, we need to do. We need to be able to like, like, like they play a lot of man. We got emotion, we got emotion to see what they in. Let Rogers do what he do so we can see what they doing. That way we can create bunches and stacks when we see that they're in man situations, you know, so the dbs has, have a difficulty in, in trying to stick with a dude and man and then start running some, you know, some man beater routes from that on adjustments and when it's zoned, allow Rogers to check out of whatever it may be so that he can, you know, we get into the line, we got double play called every time or at least most of the time so that we can put ourselves in, you know, good position to be able to have a successful play. If their defense, you know, dictates that they're going to be able to have more success against us because of the zone or man that they're in versus the route that we'll be.

[Joe]

Running. I'm with you Debo. I think our defense definitely needs to step up. I know having my man 33 in there is going to be his first start. All I'm telling you is don't just be letting the second man run through the zone. Just if somebody's coming back, just be able to communicate. You know what I'm saying? Be out there, do your job, do your job. Not asking you to do nothing crazy. Do your job first. You know what I'M saying, like, just being able to make sure, you know, if you have the tight end, you had a tight end stay on your man. If you had a second man through the wheel, just stay on your man. Just don't give up any explosive plays. And you know what I'm saying, do what you got to do. I'm going to be watching the tape. Everybody doesn't have to do nobody else's job. Long as you do your 1 11th, you don't have to be herbic. You're not going to be wide. You're going to be out there being a consistent pro that's out there doing his job. And that's good enough for me. You know what I'm saying? So for the defense, go out there, do that. Make sure. Gibbs, we got to rally to the ball. We have to tackle. We have to make sure we don't leave people out to dry out in open space. Leverage. Outside, outside, outside corners. Make sure you gotta bring it back. You got linebackers pursuing. You got Cam and them boys running. So we gotta make sure. Leverage. Like we said, make sure. You're forcing that thing inside to your help, to your.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Teammates. So just no peekaboo. No peekaboo. Stay where you're supposed to stay until the ball is declared as past you. Now, you can move out the way because these running backs will make you.

[Joe]

Wrong. They will make you look crazy. You have this gap. You do not have a pick a boo. Cause if you do, now you and Queen are in the same gap. That's not what we need. You stay in this one so Queen can have the other one. So everybody has their gaps and not two people are. No, I'm right here. Now I'm pickle booing in your gap. Now, me and you over here and Gibbs has gone through here. That's not what we need. So everybody just be gap controlled. Do what you gotta do, you know what I'm saying? And make our plays like you said, on offense, stay ahead of the sticks, you know what I'm saying? We do need to make sure that we don't have to be in those second and tens, third and tens. No, keep a rod in those favorable. You know what I'm saying? Run run situations. When they do have two high, let a rod check into the run gain. Well, Warren, hit him for four, hit him for five. Then when they go to that single high. Oh, yeah, we got dk. Okay, we could dump it now. You know what I'm saying? So being a More like in. In a control game, like Last week you just see a rod kind of flowing and we flow when we went first down. So make sure we win first down, stay ahead of the sticks so we can always. We could play action, we could run now, we could do a little bit, whatever. Like so never when we get behind the sticks, that's when we're really. It's tough, it's tough for us. So trying to stay ahead of the sticks and keeping drives going, winning first.

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[Joe]

IBM, Keep the lions off the field. That's one of the best ways to help our defense with those long drives, we're going six minutes, we're going seven minutes. We're getting points, we're getting touchdown or a field goal or even if we punt. We're not just, you know what I'm saying, giving the ball back, turning the ball over. It's just a real ball control game. Everybody's doing their job, staying ahead of the sticks. It might not look as pretty, but those are pretty looking games, you know what I'm saying? We're holding the ball, we're getting down, we're making shots. When we get single high, take one over the top to dk, you know what I'm saying? So just do the basic things, be consistent. Don't have to do nothing crazy. We don't have to reinvent the wheel. We've seen us play well and we just need to go out there and just do it.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Consistently. Yeah, for sure. For sure. I ain't gonna lie, I'm nervous about it. But you know we lying.

[Joe]

Tamers. You know we lying tamers.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Baby. Hey, hey. Your boy is Chidor. He said he excited, you know, to get a chance to prove himself against the top passing defense in Buffalo. He said, well, I'm just excited that I'm able to get everybody's best. I'm just getting in the league and my feet settled and everything. So I get excited knowing I'm able to face those challenges. Because you got to understand this, this is my, this, this year right here, this is the worst I'm going to be, you know, you know what I'm saying? This is where I'm building from. This is where I'm understanding different things. This is where everything's translating for me.

[Joe]

Joe.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Yes. What you think success do you think he will have against the Bills? Give me your preview of what needs to be done for your Browns to beat the.

[Joe]

Bills. It sounds like the same thing I'm saying for the Browns. I mean the same thing I said for the Steelers can be said for the Browns. I need them to keep Shador ahead of the sticks. I need them to have him in favorable third down situations. I don't need them to be having third and longs, you know what I'm saying? I need them to be able to offensive line block for Juckins, have him being able to handle the ball off, you know what I'm saying? Being able to have that to lean on. We don't, we don't have the firepower at receiver or tight end to just line up to have Shador, stand back there and throw the ball. That's not what we need right now. We need to be able to ball control the same type of thing I'm saying for the Steelers is what I need them to do for the Browns to try to just keep it good. We have a solid defense. Defense, you know what I'm saying? You know what you got to do. Perform. Go ball out Miles, make sure that you go attack Josh Allen. Don't let him run around and they got cooked. Look, you know what I'm saying? Stop the run. We have been getting toted on the.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Way.

[Joe]

Yes. Have that happen or we're going to lose the game. You know what I'm saying? So defense knows what they got to do. They got to go out there and perform. They got to stop Allen. They got to stop that, that run game offense. You can't just ask Shadow to go out there and throw the ball because that deep like they said, they're the number one defensive secondary out there. So you got to let him lean on the run. You got to have some single highs where he can go give some opportunities to. To our boy 44 and to and to Judy hopefully, you know what I'm saying? So we just going to need to have that run game going. And Shador, just the same thing. Check downs, line protect them. So I the same thing I say for the Steelers is the same thing I say for the Browns because it's not like we're just going to go out outmanned them. We don't have Chase and we don't have Higgins on the outside. We were just like look, if it's single high, throw it up over there. No, we need to hand it off to Juggins. Let's make sure we get these favorable positions where it's third and shorts, you know what I'm saying? Keep the ball ball control. Keep the ball in our hands. You know what I'm saying? So that's basically what it is. I'm going to be looking for him to don't try not to throw the picks. The turnovers do the same things like get better from last because the last week that just. That wasn't. That's not going to do good. That's not good enough. That's not good enough. So just watching them to improve, not turn the ball over, get people involved. You know what I'm saying? And let's, let's see, let's see what it goes.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

With. Yeah, the only thing that that. Well, just his comments make me. Makes me a little A little nervous for him because it's like, it sounds like they don't. They gonna have him out here slanging that rock against this top defense. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's what it sounds like. Yeah. I'm about to go out here and prove myself against the top passing defense. Like, I don't know if y' all want him on that thing that many times against.

[Joe]

Him. No, I mean, I. I think just proving himself by managing the game.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Not. Yes, right. That's what I'm saying. Like, I'm thinking, you know, he. He said he's going to prove himself against a top passing defense. Like, that's the difference, you know, Passing. Let's. Let's go ahead. Let's try and make it a. Make it a little. A little easier on you. Hopefully you can get some. Get some running in there. Get him biting up.

[Joe]

On. Yes, yes.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Yes. Get easier.

[Joe]

Things. Hopefully he.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Doing. He pulling.

[Joe]

The. Be pulling the bait and switch. Oh, yeah. I'm be tossing the ball, right? Run game.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Right? Hopefully.

[Joe]

Hopefully.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Hopefully. Yo, yo, you. You. Your boy Jake Paul, man, he. He predict that he gonna knock.

[Joe]

Out. He didn't. He did not say.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

That. It says he's gonna be a biblical. He knock out in the biblical upset of. Of. Of Joshua, Anthony, David and Goliath. Everybody go to David and Goliath. I don't know why. I don't know why, like, everybody want to go to Dave and God. I guess that's, you know, I mean, it's a great. It's a great one, no question. But your name Jake and that's Anthony. So, you know, what do you. What do you think? What do you think.

[Joe]

Joe? Respect of the game, first and foremost. Back in. When I was Jake Paul from Cleveland, I played for Cleveland. He played in my celebrity softball game back in the day. Good dude. Super cool. You know what I'm saying? Met Jake again last year. We kicked it out in Abu Dhabi, so really good dude. Ran into him.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

So. Respect. Wow. You had to say you kicked it out in Abu.

[Joe]

Dhabi. You know, just, you know, just a little soft flex. No disrespect that we was.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Out. That's real. Okay. I ain't never been to Abu Dhabi. I don't remember where it's.

[Joe]

At. Yeah, we gonna go. We're gonna talk about this offline. So. But long story short, in my. In my eyes, Anthony Joshua is like. What's my man's name? The Bronze Bomber. Like, like. Is this like, him? I just don't think that Jake Paul is ready for the real, real professional heavyweight champions like Anthony Joshua. I'm kind of scared for him because end of the day, he's 216 pounds. Anthony Joshua is 243 pounds. If there's no claws in there, like, he can't fight at.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

100%. Hold, hold up. You don't. Hey, you don'. You don't. Well, it shouldn't be a clause in there that.

[Joe]

He. That's the only way. I don't think, in essence, I.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Think what we found out with the last one where he fought Tyson is like he basically didn't get no money if he knocked him out. So is this another setup to where. We'll find out. At least you know, that was a rumor. We'll find out that later on he may have had something set in there where, you know what? The longer I last, if I ain't knocked out you, the more you make. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not bound to it. And my God, am I gonna go ahead and cut my, my money short because of pride or I'm just gonna let them go ahead and believe whatever they want to believe and get that big check, you know what I'm saying? Like he's. Listen, Paul getting these people paid now, Jake getting these people.

[Joe]

Paid. I hear you, bro. I'm. This one. I think though. Do you. I think Jake Paul did that for Mike Tyson because I think Jake Paul might have hurt Mike Tyson in that fight. Honestly, in my opinion, Mike Tyson's 50 something years old and Jake Paul is actually. No, yeah, you. Yeah, you. You looking crazy. Jake Paul was in that joint and Mike Tyson was looking crazy in.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

There. You thought, you thought, Jay, you thought Jake Paul was pulling punches and Mike.

[Joe]

Wasn'T.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Yes. Stop it.

[Joe]

Bro. Yes. Mike was in that.

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[Joe]

Bruh. Mike is tired.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Bro. Now did you see how Mike trained versus how Mike actually.

[Joe]

Fought? Mike.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Trained. Did you go out there and practice and then go out there and do something totally different in the game.

[Joe]

Bro? Debo, I am going to blatantly disagree with you on this one for sure. Mike Tyson is not the same Mike.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Tyson. He don't understand that the man has work thing in between it. Of.

[Joe]

Course. That's what I'm saying, bro. So like all that training, all that little stuff he was doing, he could do.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

That? Okay, let's say that, let's say that. Let's say that Mike Tyson was damn near 60 year.

[Joe]

Old. Okay? That's what I'm.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Saying. You. How old is Jake Paul? 20.

[Joe]

What? He's like probably 29, 30.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Maybe.

[Joe]

Okay. And.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

You. You. You couldn't knock out a man that was w.

[Joe]

He. Listen, this is what I'm telling you. I think that he might have just been chilling. I don't know why he didn't do it. If you saying there's a clause in it for him not to knock out my Tyson, but in this.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Fight. No, it has to be a clause. No, there's a clause for Mike not to knock him.

[Joe]

Out. Hell no, man. Hell.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

No. That was supposedly the.

[Joe]

Rumor. We'll know if Anthony Joshua. It has to be in this fight. I hear what you're saying. I don't believe that one. I think Paul has something for Mike Tyson's old self in that.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Fight.

[Joe]

No. Yes, he.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Did. No, everybody said it was the other way.

[Joe]

Around. Okay, you know what? I think that might be on the old people side saying that. But I'm telling you, Mike Tyson was not about to do nothing in there. And I'm telling you, in this fight, in this fight, Anthony Joshua better have a. Jake Paul has to have the clause to Anthony Joshua. Don't knock him out because there's.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

No. And I'm.

[Joe]

Okay. That would have to be. And I would know after.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

The. Where did you hear a clause where Jake Paul had one? He couldn't knock Mike out.

[Joe]

Stopped. I didn't hear clause that he had. That he couldn't. That he couldn't knock Michael out. But I saw him chilling and could have pieced him up. I saw it with my. I was watching. Did you watch the fight.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Too? Did you see. Did you see. Did you see Mike chilling where he could have pieced him up and didn't come back with combos and didn't show him one.

[Joe]

Stopper? Yeah, have. He should have. I hope he wasn't tired. He looked a little.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Tired. Hey, listen, I'm.

[Joe]

Gonna. Look, are you gonna watch the fight? You.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Are. You are. Listen, you are a Browns fan and you've been that for a long time, so you have to be delusional. You see? Which makes sense.

[Joe]

Now. I can't wait to put this one up. Cause I'm gonna ask, do y' all think that Mike Tyson was taking it easy on Jake Paul or Jake Paul would take it easy on Mike Tyson? And also so Anthony Joshua, I'm sorry. If he. If he doesn't knock out Jake Paul, I'm sorry to say, then I'm.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Okay. We don't know if it's a clause in there that he can't knock him out. If he do knock him out, he ain't gonna get his paid as much paper. Who knows? I would love to see the.

[Joe]

Contract. I would love to see the.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Contract. Escalators in a boxing match.

[Joe]

Bro. I gotta. We gotta see the contract. That's what we need to do. I'm gonna. You know what? That's what I'm gonna do. So I'm gonna have.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

The. Why don't you call your.

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[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

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[Joe]

Right? Should I call.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Jake? Call Jake and be like, hey, you got any.

[Joe]

Escalators? Yeah. Yeah. Is this right? Real or not? Are you about to go out there for real? Listen, because I'm.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Worried. Text your Abu Dhabi homeboy and see if he got any escalators. Oh, Devo, you know what I'm.

[Joe]

Saying? Don't be mad. I'm gonna.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Take. Ain't nobody mad. You know, I'm just saying, like, okay, hey, you know, you the.

[Joe]

Lulu. No, bro, I promise you. I need to see this. I can't believe it.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Man. Look here, Joe. It's time for play of Fame, presented by Pride. Joe, you know how it work. Over though. You know, even though you over there just talking delusional, man, I made my lineup for my picks for the Saturday Sunday games, okay? You either play, I think you go fade it, or you faded. And. And you tell me why. I think you might face. I don't know. I just think you. You will. I got A.J. brown. I got him more. I just. It's, you know, they over there playing somebody that I feel like they go get more. I got. I gotta say, Quan, I got him more. He go get more. Like, these boys is giving up everything over there in Washington, you know what I'm saying? Like, they giving up pass. They're giving up runs. I'm feeling like it's gonna be more. Okay, now, Jordan, he go. Going out there, and he go get more over there. Love. Go get more, man. He gonna get more. More. Most, most definitely go get more. And you know who else go get more. Josh Allen is going to get.

[Joe]

More. It's only 210. It's only 210. It'S NOT CRAZY. If it was a higher number, I wouldn't think he was going to get it. But 210 is definitely.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Gettable. Oh, I thought.

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[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Thought. I thought. I thought your Steeler prior was gonna give me. I thought your Browns pride was gonna make you.

[Joe]

Think. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm realistic. I'm a I'm a.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Real. How many sacks your boy go get.

[Joe]

Then? What'd you.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Say? Huh? How many sex your boy go.

[Joe]

Get? Oh, Miles. Yeah, he gonna get. He gonna get.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Two. Okay, let's get back to this then. You, you.

[Joe]

You. What you gonna do, aj? I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna play it because they playing the commanders and I like. I don't. The defense. I mean, yes, they gonna get these numbers. They need to get right. They have to win. These dudes need to perform. They want to get them.

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[Joe]

And. And no better game a team to get him right against Chicago, Jordan Love's gonna be going against you know what I'm saying? How good Kayla Williams is playing. He's gonna need every bit of it. So he gonna have to be. He gonna have to go over. And then 210 isn't a high number. So I'm gonna go ahead and play this. Cause all the numbers are reasonable. The teams who really playing against the reasons are reasonable. So I'm gonna go ahead and go with you.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Deebo. Yeah, baby. Look here, man, Joe is. Go play with your boy. He ain't fading nothing. Make sure you download the app today and use the code Debo Joe to get fifty dollars in lineups after you play your first five dollar lineup. Tell your mama, your papa, everybody here. Tell them everybody what's going down. Look here, baby, I guess we got us some super chats. Carlston Hasty 762 donated $5 and said. Swear this podcast gets me through the week. Watching you boys grow, love. Watching you boys growing up. Berg ain't been the same since. Listen, man. Berg ain't been the same since, man. Listen, everything. Thank you, thank you. Yes, we really appreciate.

[Joe]

That. No question for sure.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Man. No question. That diamond 4:1 donated $5 and said this is off topic, but I'm curious if there was something you both would go back and do differently in your career, knowing what you know now. Is there anything that you would go back and do differently in your career, Joe, knowing what you know.

[Joe]

Now? Um, I probably would have started getting like a PT and a physical therapist earlier. Like my rookie season. I would have started doing more just like prep, you know what I'm saying? Like acupuncture, you know what I'm saying? Stuff like that. I started getting it a little bit later on in my career, probably after I started getting hurt, you know what I'm saying? And that's when I started getting it. So I think after like a year, five or six. But I just Would have did that earlier, invested in my body, took a little bit more care of the main thing, you know what I'm saying? Just because you never. Because that. That's basically what I. Yeah, that's what I.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Did. Okay. Carson Hasty, 762. He doubled back. He. He threw in another $2. He said, what's the worst injury you had, Devo or Joe? What's the worst injury you had.

[Joe]

Joe? The worst one in games wise that I missed was the.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Concussion. That's.

[Joe]

It. After I had the double sports hernia surgery in my groins. That joint was.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Serious. Yeah. Yeah. The worst one for me is I had a microdiscectomy on my back at level at S1, L5, and 4, and then nine days later, had it done again to clear it all the way up because I was still feeling stuff. So I had two back surgeries in nine days on S from S1 to L3 in my lumbar. That was like 2010 after the super bowl that we ended up losing to Green Bay. So I played. Dude, I played that whole season. Well, not the whole season. About the last 14 weeks with my discs in my back, like, bulging, dude. I stepped to turn the corner, leg give out, just fall bloom. I had twice where I was getting. I was getting epidurals, dude, on a Saturday to play Sunday because I couldn't get out of bed. They had to come get.

[Joe]

Me.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

God. To numb it.

[Joe]

Up. Yeah, that ain't no joke.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Debo. Yeah. Yeah, for sure, dude. Like that. That was definitely the worst for me. No, Definitely the worst for me. We got covenant life back.

[Joe]

$20. No.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Covenant. Thank.

[Joe]

You. Thank you.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Covenant. Yes. Guys. He. She says, guys, get our fellas to 100K by Super Bowl. Yes.

[Joe]

Subscribe. Oh, yes, please. Let's get.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

This. It's free, like. And share. It's free to play golf today. Debo, can. Can you tackle Washington? Yes. No.

[Joe]

Question. Thousand.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Percent. Tackle Washington. No question. Yes. Yeah, that's not. That's not. No problem. I would love to have.

[Joe]

Evo. I think you could tackle. I mean, you would tackle anyone. I like. I like.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

It.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Anybody. And she also said, Joe, don't forget. I need you two to have to host a.

[Joe]

Camp. Oh.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Okay. We got. I know for sure. For sure. For sure at this season. We're gonna get to.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

It. Hey, It's. It's her 56th birthday. 56th birthday is, man. What. What that means is Monday.

[Joe]

Okay? Her 56th birthday is.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Monday.

[Joe]

Monday.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Okay. 1969. Let's go. Happy early.

[Joe]

Birthday. Let me give her a shout.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Out. Covenant.

[Joe]

Life. She gonna be back on.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Monday. Hey, y' all heard what she said. Hey, guys, listen. They gotta. Y' all gotta get us to a hundred thousand by Super.

[Joe]

Bowl. Come on. We gonna be.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

There. We at 60K right now. Subscribe. It's free like share like she said. Listen, she said her and the hubby, dude, they going to play some golf today. Y' all must still be in St.

[Joe]

Lucia. They. They are.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Chilling. They chilling. Man, I wish I had it.

[Joe]

Like that, Joe, man, you ain't lying. Me.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

Too. Listen, man, we go. Hey, hey. Y' all need to listen to this. We need to go do a. We need to go do a week of podcast from St. Lucia. Hey, say media. We need to do a week from St. Lucia, baby. Hey, look here now. Thank you guys for joining us again on this episode of Debo and Jo. Hey, make sure you hit the like and subscribe button. You don't want to miss nothing. We gonna be right back here on Monday.

[Joe]

Joe. Yes, sir. Please make sure you hit that like and subscribe. Me and Debo love doing this and we wouldn't be here without you guys. See you on Monday. Let's get.

[James 'Deebo' Debo Harrison]

It.

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