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Unknown
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Listen, that's some old. That's old school.
Cujo
What'd you say? Chili dogging and cold slowing.
Unknown
Chilly dogging and cold slowing. See, I ain't got no. I ain't got no theme song yet.
Cujo
Oh, it's coming.
Unknown
We ain't got no theme song. You know what? Only reason why I said that? Because this episode Is epic. It's not just a regular episode. This one of them. One. This from. From the dirty side, huh? What you know about the dirty side? This is a real epic moment right here for the home team, man. And they so hype. I wish they would just be quiet.
Cujo
We might be whipping some. Some tail feathers.
Unknown
Oh, yeah, we up by three. All right, well, make all the noise you want, okay? Because this, this, this right here, this episode, we need to stay tuned because we got a pioneer in the game, man. A real South Atlanta legend and one fourth of the iconic Goody Mob. Cujo.
Cujo
My God, baby. Chili dogging and cold slobbing baby.
Unknown
Boy, listen, that's some old. That's old school.
Cujo
What you say? Chili dogging and cold, Sloan Chili dogging and cold slowing. I gotta get that to. Hey, I gotta give that to my brother, my young brother. Throw that off.
Unknown
He throw that over.
Cujo
Flap. Appreciate you. Flap.
Unknown
Okay.
Cujo
We did bowl to cray. Appreciate it, man.
Unknown
You. You know, you Atlanta legend, man. Like, like, scale of 1 to 10, man, what's your. What's your range from being a Hawks fan?
Cujo
Oh, boy, stop. I'm a strong tension.
Unknown
A strong tension.
Cujo
I'm a strong tension, bro. I always been home team, man, win, lose or draw, bro. You know what I'm saying? I can't go with nobody else, bruh. Yes, sir. I gotta go with the home team.
Unknown
Do you remember your first game, man?
Cujo
You know what? The music business got me to go into one of my first games. Cause when I was a kid, bro, I never had a chance. I didn't have nobody to take me to a game, so I just had to watch them on tv. You feel what I'm saying?
Unknown
Facts.
Cujo
So, yeah, this music business got me to my first Hawks game, so this might be my. Maybe like my third one, man, believe me.
Unknown
Your third game.
Cujo
I ain't gonna lie.
Unknown
Your whole life.
Cujo
Yes, bro. Yeah.
Unknown
That is crazy. Now, can you imagine how even icons, even though they work so hard. This only his third game in Atlanta Hawks.
Cujo
I've been one of the comps since I was a little kid, but I ain't had nobody to take me.
Unknown
So you know what that mean, right? What day Atlanta Hawks gotta stay tuned in to the real Atlanta streets already. We got to keep bringing these Atlanta legends.
Cujo
Yes, please.
Unknown
So. So, speaking of the Atlanta streets, like, what part of the city. I know this.
Cujo
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how I would.
Unknown
You know, it's all corporate.
Cujo
I don't know you, but I know.
Unknown
What, what, what part of the city.
Cujo
Shape Cujo Dog, man, I gotta give it up to the west side.
Unknown
West side.
Cujo
Chapel Road, man. Chapel Fars Simpson, Hollywood Road, you know what I'm saying?
Unknown
Yes.
Cujo
When they first called it Bankhead, west side was where I grew up on Bro Team.
Unknown
Yes, sir. Hollywood Road Music play West side native already.
Cujo
Already.
Unknown
So what was the ATL music scene like back then, man? You know, especially like the 90s.
Cujo
Well, let me take it a little bit further, man. Cause I gotta give it up to you, know what I'm saying? Kilo.
Unknown
Uh huh. Shout out to Kilo.
Cujo
Sammy Sam. Shout out to Sammy Sam, you know what I'm saying? Gotta give it up to Sha D. Uh huh. You feel what I'm saying? And I can't forget Eliminator, Nada, Raheem the Dream, you know what I'm saying? So that's kind of like who we came up, like, listening to, you know what I'm saying? Before we even got up on the radio, you feel what I'm saying?
Unknown
So even before y'all got up on the radio, you know, there was spots that, you know, y'all could kick it to, you see what I'm saying? Like, especially like the Dungeon family, you dig what I'm saying? That was a rip to Tariq Wade.
Cujo
Yeah, my point.
Unknown
Dig what I'm saying? Like, we didn't have too many spots where we could kick it, where y'all could kick it in because, you know, the south had to kind of like bust, you know, bust through the rap scene.
Cujo
Yeah.
Unknown
So, like, explain, like, what's a. What's a spot back in the day that you wish that was still here?
Cujo
So we talking about what, like a club or something like that?
Unknown
I mean, just a regular spot, you.
Cujo
Know, Man, I got a 5, 5, 9, man.
Unknown
5, 5, 9.
Cujo
55 9, man. The Velvet Room, Mojo, you know, these were some of the places, man, that, you know what I'm saying? People could come and have a good time back then. You see what I'm saying, man? Like, people listen to the music and people actually, actually dancing, man, having a good time, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah, I wish some of those spots was still around, man. I'm pretty sure some spots like that.
Unknown
You remember the Kitty?
Cujo
I heard the. I heard the Kitty. I heard the kitty.
Unknown
Oh, boy.
Cujo
I mean, Club Illusions, you know what I'm saying? On Came Road, man, because you from.
Unknown
You from Chapel 4. What's the club right there by the. By the corner store that y'all used to have right before you get over the. The. The railroad track.
Cujo
Oh, man. Oh, God.
Unknown
What it was.
Cujo
You got me on that one railroad track. See, the thing was, I still. When I was staying on Chopper Road, I wasn't really old enough to go to the clubs over there. You feel what I'm saying? Cause, like, they had stuff like the shrimp boat over there. They had all type of, like, nooks and crannies that you can go to. You feel what I'm saying? But, yeah, when I finally got old enough, man, to drive, you feel what I'm saying? That's when I started venturing out, man. Because for a minute, I ain't even leave the west side. I ain't no Greenbrier.
Unknown
That was our life.
Cujo
I ain't no downtown, bro. I ain't no Leonard Square. I ain't no. None of that. I ain't no Leonard Square. Until getting with Rico and them at.
Unknown
The Dungeon, see what I'm saying?
Cujo
Cause he would go for a ride, say, come on, man. You want to go somewhere? Like, yeah. I'm like, man, where the hell we at, bro? So we don't come back to about four, five, six hours, right? Dude come back with food and everything. Everybody like, man, where you been? Where you been? Lennox, man.
Unknown
Like, wow.
Cujo
So, nah, man. West side was like. That was like my. My West Haven, you feel what I'm saying? Until I got old enough to venture out a little bit more, you know what I'm saying? Shout out to Ms. Wade at the Dungeon, man. Because that was our spot right there, bro. I mean, spending night, man, sleeping bags. You gotta worry about your mom and daddy telling you what to do, man. Stay up all night, man. That was a. That was a haven for us, bro.
Unknown
Can you give us a real insight on what the Dungeon was for Atlanta? What the Dungeon was for artists from Atlanta, and what the Dungeon did at that moment?
Cujo
Well, I can tell you what the Dungeon did, man. It gave Atlanta. It gave Atlanta identity, right? You feel what I'm saying? Because all they thought that we was was, you know what I'm saying? Strip club music, you feel what I'm saying? Party music, which is good, you know what I'm saying? But going in a dungeon, I got a chance to meet people like Gilp, CeeLo, Timo, these people from different sides of town, you know what I'm saying? East Point, you feel what I'm saying? Southwest Atlanta, you know what I'm saying? Here? I'm coming over here from the west side, coming to a whole new spot, you know what I mean? But the thing about it is we all had one. We all was on one Accord, and it was like music, you know what I'm saying? We wanted to give Atlanta that name. We wanted to make sure Atlanta knew. We wanted to make sure people knew who Atlanta was. You feel what I'm saying? So I guess it was just some stuff built up in us, man, that made us come out with that type of music. Cause then nobody sit down and say, hey, man, write a song like Soul Food or write a song like Cell therapy. No, this was just. This was just in us. You feel what I'm saying? And. And it was awesome, man, because Hank Aaron stayed across the street from the other dungeon on Adam Drive. And we found out while we was doing our Soul Food album that Curtis Mayfield stayed around the corner.
Unknown
See what I'm saying?
Cujo
So you know what I'm saying? I'm talking with these guys in the neighborhood, bro. We ain't even know you feel me? So you know what I'm saying, man, it was, man, if it wasn't for this music, man, I wouldn't be a well rounded person, you feel what I'm saying? Cause we can get west side all day always, you feel what I'm saying? But sometimes you gotta get out there and be able to communicate with. With other people too. You feel what I'm saying? And that's what music did for me.
Unknown
So when Dre said, man, the south got something to say. Remember when. When he go up there, grab the award. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they booing.
Cujo
Yeah, they did.
Unknown
They booing.
Cujo
This is Source Award. Yeah, they did.
Unknown
Like, at a time, like, people don't understand, like, everybody's accepted nowadays in this music.
Cujo
Right, right, right.
Unknown
I think being the underdog made it more fun. When it's like, oh, y'all don't like me, bro.
Cujo
What, man, we. Well, we was ready to fight everybody in there, bro. I mean, we was ready, man. I mean, man, that was just so electrifying. I'm so glad, cuz the day I posted something on the Goody Mar page where somebody had a VCR tape of us on the stage, cuz, I was like, man, I thought I was there, you know what I mean? Then I seen all of us walk up on the stage and we was just walking up there like, yeah, yeah, yeah, what's up? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right on, Drake. Right on, Big. Yeah, yeah. What? What? Yeah, they was bulldozers. But you know what? New York was like that cousin that every time you go over his house, he always picking on you. Know what I'm saying? To the next time you come up on there, you know what I'm saying? You give him one. You feel me? So New York gave us some tough love, man. I mean, the next time we came back, boy, it wasn't none of that. It wasn't none of that. Cause we did the Apollo, you know what I'm saying? With the dungeon family up there. The whole dungeon family, bro. I mean, Witch Doctor, Backbone, Cool Breeze, I mean, outkast, literally exclusive right now. Yeah, we got up there and did that thing, man. And they recognized it and they respected it, right? So it's like they had to respect it. Cause if you can't get past the booze, you might well go do something else. You feel what I'm saying? Cause everybody ain't gonna like you. And that's kind of what we ran into. Because when we was doing the music, we like, man, this shit jamming, bro. I mean, man, we got some songs, you know what I'm saying? But you go to a whole nother reason they ain't. They like. Nah, we. We don't know, boo boo.
Unknown
Being called country. Being called, man, what they saying being called. Hold on, let me. Let me.
Cujo
Let me say that.
Unknown
But don't know nothing about no rap, right? To see Atlanta, right? Still holding the crown from what y'all start.
Cujo
See.
Unknown
Okay, I'm gonna say that again. I'm gonna say that again and run it back.
Cujo
Right, right, right.
Unknown
To holding the crown that y'all started. How did that make you feel, man?
Cujo
It's a. It's a glorious feeling, bro. Cause it. It. It make it feel. It make your journey feel like it was worth the. Yes, it was worth the while. You feel what I'm saying? When you get some young cats come up, say, yo, man, I've been listening to y'all music since I was seven years old, right? My mama put me up on Goody Mob, man. I used to ride in the car with my daddy, he bumping goody mug. And then you got artists out here, man, that's just taking that baton, man. And you know what I'm saying? Creating careers for themselves, you know what I'm saying? Because, yeah, it's music, but it's a business, too, you know what I'm saying? So a lot of people that's doing good, man. You know what I'm saying? They feeding their family. So just think if somebody booing you and deterring you from doing your thing, they try to stop you from eating, you know what I'm Saying. But man, the south always really has something to say. It was like we didn't have a. A vehicle, platform, you feel me? So shout out to LA Reid Babyface for the Face Records. Because they was a major record label and people was able to hear our music all over the world, not just in Georgia. You see what I'm saying? So with that being said, man. Yeah, like my, like my brother CeeLo said, Man, we the cotton gin.
Unknown
Huh?
Cujo
Yeah. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. So it feel good, man. To. To. It feel like rock and roll, bro. You know what I'm saying? This is our 30 year anniversary of Soul Food and man, we still on deck.
Unknown
And the crazy. Let me tell you something. I like for legends to know how long they've been legends because that's. That's the only thing with. In, in our culture. We don't respect our icons. Yeah, we don't. We have more hall of Famers than any other culture there is. I'm about to be 33, man.
Cujo
Okay, okay, that's it.
Unknown
Letting you know how long you been popping.
Cujo
Nah, bruh.
Unknown
You feel me?
Cujo
You know what? You don't even think about that when you in the mode of making history. You feel what I'm saying? All you wanna do is make sure. Make sure your verse sound good. You feel what I'm saying? Make sure you pronouncing every word right. Cause that's what we was thinking about while we was doing that we weren't thinking about.
Unknown
Cause they don't know what they saying, man.
Cujo
What you mean we? What?
Unknown
You heard what we said, man.
Cujo
It was, man. And just to be around. Just to be around the group like Gip Low and T. I learned a lot too. You feel what I'm saying? Because they made me be who I gotta be, you know what I'm saying? Because they was who they was, you know what I'm saying? And them guys was doing they damn thing, bro. I mean, bro, I had to hang with the best. I gotta call them, boy. The best.
Unknown
But you know, music is what you call that. Is it timeless?
Cujo
Yes.
Unknown
Okay. So I'm 33.
Cujo
Yes.
Unknown
I didn't understand y'all music until I got old enough. So, yeah, it was new to me.
Cujo
Yeah.
Unknown
But it gave me that same impact. Like when you first dropped.
Cujo
Yeah, yeah.
Unknown
You feel what I'm saying? So I'm like, okay, I'm 16 now. Catching on to the Goody Mar way.
Cujo
Right, right, right.
Unknown
And I'm like, man, I've been. Oh, this what folk been rocking With. I've been tripping, little bro.
Cujo
We was like 20 something years old though, you know, maybe like 26, you know what I'm saying? Talking, talking, some real talk, you know what I'm talking about? And just, man, back then we was writing, right? It was like poetry. You feel what I'm saying? That's kind of like. And then organized noise coming in with that real ass music, bro. I mean, when you talking about digging in the crates, bro? Man, these boys was going deep, man, going into the 70s, you know what I'm saying? The late 60s, pulling out stuff, man, to this day you can't even. People don't even know where cell therapy came from. They don't even know where the beat came from, you feel me? So, yeah, you gotta just like anyone, some of these like, like Marvin Gaye or Luther Vandross, you. Oh, that's what he was talking about. Yeah. Oh, okay. You old enough now. You done had experience now, and now you able to, to really hear. You able to get past the music, right? Past how to how he sound.
Unknown
Now I hear the word, now everything sound even better. Cause now I can relate.
Cujo
Like you said, music time. It's just sitting there waiting for you.
Unknown
It's waiting for you to catch up. It's like, hey, man, you young.
Cujo
Waiting for you to catch when it's time for you. Real talk, real talk, man.
Unknown
I appreciate it. Cause you know what? Before we get out of here, I gotta know, what is your Mount Rushmore of hip hop?
Cujo
Whoa.
Unknown
Huh?
Cujo
Just hip hop period.
Unknown
Yep. Five.
Cujo
Mount Rushmore is five or four.
Unknown
How many on Mount Rushmore?
Cujo
See, we.
Unknown
We.
Cujo
It's four, it's four.
Unknown
All the people that graduated. I graduated, but you know, I did six months of college.
Cujo
Ah, that's good.
Unknown
I ain't say nothing about Mount Rushmore or Creme.
Cujo
Oh, Maze High School on that. High school class of 1990 already.
Unknown
1990. 92, man.
Cujo
Oh, baby. Yeah.
Unknown
You've been doing this.
Cujo
Yeah, bro.
Unknown
Yeah, it's really all about longevity.
Cujo
It is, it is.
Unknown
It ain't about, oh, I did that in the 90s. No, you did it in 91. 92. Yeah, all the way to 20, 25.
Cujo
But it's about making good decisions too.
Unknown
Yes, sir.
Cujo
About making good decision. But my mouth Rushmore. But see, I grew up on hip hop talk, you know what I'm saying? I grew up on hip hop and I got to put. I got to put Public Enemy in there, cuz they came with some knowledge, you know what I'm saying? And they Was able to put it on. Put it on 808. You feel what I'm saying? Put it on. On a beat where it was not preachy. Preachy that it was entertaining. You feel what I'm saying? So I got to get that to them. I gotta say nwa, bro. I got to say nwa, man. Because, man, that stuff that they was talking, bro, I was scared to go to California, bro. I like, boy, y'all. Y'all for real, right? Y'all. Y'all shoot folk like that out there. I ain't going to California. Nah, boy. I'm talking about. They out of control, bro. And let me see. I gotta give it to. I gotta put. I gotta put Rakim up there, man. Rock him. Eric B and Rakim. Airbn. Rakim. Cause he. He definitely changed. Changed the way. Changed the rap game up in New York, bro. Because after he came out, folk had to. They had to rush and go read a book and go do something. You feel what I'm saying? And I got to put me a female up in there, man. I got. I gotta throw. I gotta throw. Roxanne Shantae up in there, bro. Roxanne Shantay, bro. I mean, she was a man. I had a crush on her, bro, cuz.
Unknown
Yeah, all y'all did.
Cujo
Everybody had a crush on it. You feel what I'm saying? But just to. Just to hear what she was saying coming out of that little bitty body. And she was rapping like a female, bro. She was rapping like a woman. She wasn't right. She was rapping like a real woman, bro. So, yeah, that type of stuff kind of molded me into. Wanna. Wanna do this. Cause I remember seeing a particular movie called Crush Groove. And when I seen. I forgot to put the fat boys in there, bro. What, man?
Unknown
See what I'm saying, Fat boy.
Cujo
So, yeah, it's five on Mount Rush.
Unknown
Yeah, it's five on.
Cujo
We.
Unknown
We'll carve some more stones out this rock.
Cujo
Yeah, man. So like I said, I gotta give it to. I gotta give it to the brothers and sisters up top in New York because they made some things happen. But it's all about the music evolving.
Unknown
Yes, sir.
Cujo
You feel what I'm saying? They just can't stay in one place. Cause it ain't just gonna stay in the eighth. We want it. We want the crown to stay down here. But when somebody get real good at.
Unknown
What they doing, they may take over.
Cujo
They may do the thing, man.
Unknown
They won't have to embrace them.
Cujo
Hey, you got to, man. That's the one thing you gotta learn how to do, gotta learn how to embrace the next man that's up. You feel me? Can't hate on the next man. If he good, we got all these ducks in a row. You gotta give to him.
Unknown
Got to. All right, here we go. We got us a speed round before we get back out here and see our horse whoop ass.
Cujo
You hear me?
Unknown
Here we go, album you enjoy making the most.
Cujo
Oh, man. Still standing, bro.
Unknown
Still standing. Okay. Worst traffic in Atlanta.
Cujo
Greater curve, bro. Coming down 75.
Unknown
They don't understand.
Cujo
Lose your religion, bro.
Unknown
They don't understand. Here we go. Sports car, SUV or pickup truck?
Cujo
Man, I gotta do that. Pickup truck, bro.
Unknown
Gotta have one pick up one food for the rest of your life.
Cujo
Oh, man. Lamb chop, lamb chop.
Unknown
Gotta have it bad, you hear me? Easiest way to impress a date.
Cujo
Make be. Be funny, right? You gotta have a sense of humor.
Unknown
Gotta have. Don't be funny all night.
Cujo
Nah, don't be funny. You make a laugh every now and then, man. Hey, man, you gotta.
Unknown
You gotta.
Cujo
Yeah.
Unknown
Hey, listen here, man. Hawks and friends, there you have it. Brought to you another episode with an icon, with a legend, man. Goody mob, Cujo.
Cujo
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Club Shay Shay Podcast Summary Episode: Hawks AF - Khujo from Goodie Mob on ‘The South Got Something to Say’ & Stories from The Dungeon Release Date: May 6, 2025 Host: Shannon Sharpe (represented as "Unknown" in transcript) Guest: Khujo (represented as "Cujo" in transcript)
In this episode of Club Shay Shay, NFL legend Shannon Sharpe engages in an in-depth conversation with Khujo, a member of the iconic hip-hop group Goodie Mob. The discussion delves into Khujo's passion for the Atlanta Hawks, the evolution of the Southern hip-hop scene, and nostalgic stories from The Dungeon, a pivotal hub for Atlanta's music community.
Khujo opens up about his deep-rooted love for the Atlanta Hawks, emphasizing his unwavering support for the home team despite not having the typical fan experiences growing up.
Listening to Hawks on TV:
"When I was a kid... I just had to watch them on TV." ([03:53])
First Live Game Experience:
"This music business got me to my first Hawks game, so this might be my maybe like my third one, man, believe me." ([04:13])
Khujo highlights the significance of those first live experiences, even if they were limited, in fostering his enduring loyalty to the team.
The conversation transitions to the vibrant Atlanta music scene, particularly focusing on The Dungeon, a legendary spot that played a crucial role in shaping the careers of many Southern artists.
The Dungeon's Role:
"The Dungeon gave Atlanta identity... We wanted to make sure people knew who Atlanta was." ([08:36])
Collaborations and Community:
"We had the Dungeon family up there... Witch Doctor, Backbone, Cool Breeze, I mean OutKast, literally exclusive right now." ([10:21])
Khujo recounts how The Dungeon served as a melting pot for diverse talents from various parts of Atlanta, fostering collaborations that elevated the city's musical identity on a national stage.
Khujo discusses the obstacles faced by Southern artists and how perseverance and unity within the community led to significant breakthroughs.
Facing Skepticism:
"So, yeah, man, that was just so electrifying... But New York was like that cousin that every time you go over his house, he always picking on you." ([10:18])
Earning Respect:
"The next time we came back, boy, it wasn't none of that... We did the Apollo with the Dungeon family up there." ([10:33])
These insights highlight the initial resistance Southern artists encountered and how pivotal performances and collaborations helped earn their rightful place in the hip-hop landscape.
A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to exploring how the Southern United States has contributed uniquely to the evolution of hip-hop.
Legacy and Impact:
"You gotta just like anyone, some of these like, Marvin Gaye or Luther Vandross... You gotta just like anyone, some of these artists from different eras." ([15:22])
Evolution of Sound:
"Music is timeless... It's waiting for you to catch up." ([16:35])
Khujo emphasizes the timeless nature of music and how Southern artists have continuously evolved, influencing the broader hip-hop genre while staying true to their roots.
Khujo shares personal anecdotes and reflects on his journey, underscoring the importance of mentorship, community, and the lasting impact of his work.
Influence of Peers:
"The group like Gip Low and T... They made me be who I gotta be." ([14:17])
Mount Rushmore of Hip-Hop:
"I gotta put Public Enemy in there... I got to put NWA, Rakim, and Roxanne Shantay up there." ([17:35])
These reflections illustrate Khujo's appreciation for the legends who paved the way and his recognition of the collective effort that shapes the music industry.
The episode wraps up with a lighthearted speed round, allowing listeners to gain a glimpse into Khujo's personal preferences and personality outside of his professional achievements. Shannon Sharpe and Khujo reaffirm the importance of the South's voice in music and the enduring legacy of Atlanta's vibrant culture.
On The Dungeon's Impact:
"The Dungeon gave Atlanta identity... We wanted to make sure people knew who Atlanta was." — Khujo ([08:36])
On Facing Challenges in New York:
"New York was like that cousin that every time you go over his house, he always picking on you." — Khujo ([10:18])
On the Timelessness of Music:
"Music is timeless... It's waiting for you to catch up." — Khujo ([16:35])
On Mentorship and Growth:
"They made me be who I gotta be." — Khujo ([14:17])
On Hip-Hop Legends:
"I gotta put Public Enemy in there... I got to put NWA, Rakim, and Roxanne Shantay up there." — Khujo ([17:35])
Atlanta’s Musical Heritage: The Dungeon was instrumental in unifying and elevating Atlanta’s hip-hop scene, fostering collaborations that gained national recognition.
Perseverance Amidst Challenges: Southern artists like Khujo faced initial skepticism but overcame obstacles through talent, unity, and pivotal performances.
Enduring Legacy: The South continues to influence and shape the direction of hip-hop, with its artists maintaining a strong presence and evolving the genre.
Personal Growth Through Music: Khujo attributes much of his personal and professional development to his experiences in the music industry and the supportive community around him.
This episode of Club Shay Shay offers a rich exploration of Atlanta's cultural and musical landscape through Khujo's insightful narratives, celebrating the South's significant contributions to hip-hop and the enduring spirit of its artists.