Humble Baddies - Part 1: Trump Pardons The Chrisleys + Muni Long Hit Back at Haters

Summary

Club Shay Shay - Episode Summary: "Humble Baddies - Part 1: Trump Pardons The Chrisleys + Muni Long Hit Back at Haters"

Release Date: May 29, 2025

In this engaging episode of Club Shay Shay, hosts Ashley, Lex, and Le delve into two hot-button topics: former President Donald Trump's recent pardon of reality TV stars Todd and Julie Chrisley, and Grammy-winning R&B artist Muni Long's response to backlash over her comments about resonance with black women. The conversation is rich with insights, personal anecdotes, and thoughtful analysis, making it a must-listen for fans seeking in-depth discussions on current events and cultural dynamics.

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1. Personal Updates and Weekend Highlights

The episode kicks off with the hosts sharing personal updates and reflecting on their Memorial Day weekend experiences. Ashley expresses gratitude towards veterans and their families, setting a respectful tone for the episode.

• Ashley [00:26]: "We were out for Memorial. First, we want to thank everyone who served."

Le discusses her experience working long hours in a restaurant, highlighting the challenges and camaraderie she encountered.

• Le [01:24]: "It's been an adjustment because I'm standing up for hours upon hours during the day, and so, like, it's active."

Lex shares her excitement about finally setting up a chicken coop, adding a lighthearted touch to the conversation.

• Lex [03:27]: "I got my chicken coop finally. My chickens got a nice, new beautiful home."

2. Donald Trump's Pardoning of the Chrisleys: A Discussion on Privilege and Justice

Transitioning from personal anecdotes, the hosts dive into the main topic: Donald Trump's controversial decision to pardon reality TV couple Todd and Julie Chrisley. This segment explores the implications of celebrity favoritism in politics and its impact on public perception of justice.

• Ashley [06:42]: "Former President Trump has issued a full pardon to reality TV couple Todd and Julie Chrisley... The controversial decision has sparked outrage and reignited conversations about privilege, justice, and celebrity favoritism in politics."

Lex provides a critical perspective on Trump's pardon, suggesting it may be a strategy to maintain popularity among his base.

• Lex [07:25]: "He’s the reason why he’s so popular now. He pardons popular people to keep the majority on his side."

Le agrees, emphasizing Trump's understanding of the power of celebrity and its influence on cultural perceptions.

• Le [08:28]: "He understands... he wants that limelight and he's shifting that energy to, like, let me be the one."

The hosts discuss the broader pattern of Trump pardoning individuals who are well-known, arguing that it serves to reinforce his relevance and control over public discourse.

• Ashley [09:41]: "When you look at some of these crimes... It shows favoritism in a lot of ways, but it's almost erasing the smear of the other bad things that we think about him."

3. Muni Long's Backlash: Navigating Public Perception and Authenticity

After addressing Trump's pardons, the conversation shifts to Muni Long's recent comments that sparked controversy. The artist suggested that some black women don't resonate with her personality, leading to widespread debates on social media about likability and representation.

• Ashley [20:45]: "Muni Long recently opened up about why she believes some black women don't resonate with her personality... This conversation opens the door to deeper dialogue around authenticity and representation."

Lex expresses confusion and support for Muni Long, questioning the basis of her statements.

• Lex [21:47]: "We are her audience and I agree, we’re the ones singing her songs and doing the TikToks."

Le and Ashley delve into the complexities of public figures facing criticism from within their own communities. They highlight the importance of PR training and handling backlash with grace.

• Le [22:14]: "She has to take it with a grain of salt... Hope we can move past this and forgive as we do."

• Ashley [24:09]: "She can't crucify every black woman just because a few women have said certain things."

The discussion also touches on the historical and generational factors that contribute to defensive attitudes within the black community, emphasizing the need for solidarity and support.

• Le [26:08]: "It's a lineage and goes back to a history of being attacked by our own people... We have to glorify our bodies and our skin colors."

Ashley offers practical advice for artists, suggesting that ignoring trolls can often defuse unnecessary commotion.

• Ashley [29:19]: "When you don't entertain them, they eventually die down."

The segment concludes with a reaffirmation of support for Muni Long, encouraging her to channel her energy into her music rather than public disputes.

• Ashley [32:10]: "But we love that energy, honey. We support you, girl."

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Conclusion

This episode of Club Shay Shay masterfully navigates the intersection of politics, celebrity culture, and community dynamics. Through candid discussions and insightful commentary, Ashley, Lex, and Le provide listeners with a nuanced understanding of how high-profile actions and statements can influence broader societal conversations. Whether dissecting presidential pardons or exploring the challenges faced by artists in the public eye, the hosts offer a balanced perspective that encourages reflection and dialogue.

Notable Quotes:

• Lex [07:25]: "He pardons popular people to keep the majority on his side."
• Le [08:28]: "He wants that limelight and he's shifting that energy to, like, let me be the one."
• Ashley [24:09]: "She can't crucify every black woman just because a few women have said certain things."
• Le [26:08]: "We have to glorify our bodies and our skin colors."
• Ashley [32:10]: "We support you, girl."

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For more insightful discussions and celebrity interviews, be sure to tune in to future episodes of Club Shay Shay.

Transcript

[Ashley]

This is an I Heart podcast. What's up? Hey, y' all. The 10 in Happy Hump Day, everyone. I miss y' all.

[Lex]

I miss y' all too. I miss my humble baddie.

[Le]

Hi, Liz.

[Ashley]

We was out for memorial. First, we want to thank everyone who served. Memorial is about the veterans who. Who lost their lives serving. So shout out to, you know, the families that have supported and the ones that gave their life and lost their life to support us. So happy Memorial Day to the ones that lost their lives. How have y' all been? Did y' all eat some good food for Memorial Day weekend?

[Lex]

Oh, my God, no. Because you supposed to be here grilling for me.

[Ashley]

Girl, I can't grill. That's my daddy.

[Le]

Good. Actually, I had some grilled outlets. Some good. Some good soul food. We had some yams, greens, macaroni and cheese.

[Lex]

Oh, so you threw down.

[Le]

Ain't him getting down.

[Ashley]

Didn't get no invite or nothing.

[Le]

The invite, it was going down. We're celebrating over here. I've been. I've been working in the restaurant all weekend. It's so. It's so hard.

[Lex]

Like, I'm starting to already. How's that going?

[Le]

So it's been an adjustment because I'm standing up for hours upon hours during the day, and so, like, it's active. They knew that there, like, check you out. Yes, I'm there Friday, Saturdays, and Sundays.

[Ashley]

Let everybody know where you at.

[Le]

Yeah, so I'm there Friday night. Yeah. So everyone come through. I'm in the kitchen. I come out. I speak to where they gonna go.

[Ashley]

Lex, you tell the people where they gonna go.

[Le]

S.M. smith and Webster, North Beach. So I will see y' all. I will be in the back. Come through. It's good food, and I'm getting to know everybody, so this is, like, a new experience for me. Like, all the cooks that are there before, there's a couple other interns that are working, and just, like, the executive chefs, and everyone's been welcoming. So I was, like, nervous because, you know, from television shows and all of that, what we see, you know, very intense, but I just jumped right in and just feel familiar, and I'm just very passionate about the first thing that.

[Lex]

You cooked when you were back there.

[Le]

It was a peach cobbler waffle. So they have red velvet waffle? No, not right now, but, like, we.

[Ashley]

Need some red velvet waffles.

[Lex]

Okay.

[Le]

Okay. Yeah, they have a menu. They have about, like, about 15 things on the menu, so it was, like, intense, and it was pretty cool, though. It's a great Weekend. I survived and I'm here. And then, like, all my babies are home. Just. Elijah's the last one in school, so everyone is just wrapping it up.

[Ashley]

You got an empty nest there soon.

[Le]

Yeah, it is quiet. They're with their father. The perks of co parenting. So I'm technically already ready vacationing, so.

[Lex]

Okay.

[Ashley]

Nice.

[Lex]

Congratulations.

[Le]

Thank you. Thank you. Huh? I said, what about you all? How was your weekend?

[Lex]

My weekend was good. What'd I do? Oh, I got my chicken coop finally.

[Ashley]

Yeah, I seen the delivery.

[Lex]

My chickens got a nice, new beautiful home.

[Le]

Oh, wow. Yeah.

[Lex]

So now I'm trying to teach them how to go in the hen house at night.

[Le]

I be telling.

[Lex]

I feel like this ain't the life you imagined. Did it like, you ain't think you.

[Ashley]

Was gonna feel you just have put all them damn chickens on field.

[Le]

Feel.

[Ashley]

We feeling bad for out there.

[Lex]

I be making him do all kind of stuff, and now I'm trying to get him to build me all kind of stuff.

[Le]

Yeah, it's an adventure every day, Ashley, the whole thing. Y' all should as you should just.

[Ashley]

Let me know when the eggs drop.

[Lex]

I will. Literally another about a month and a half, little while before they start laying eggs. But I'm gonna let y' all know.

[Le]

Please, I want to be the first.

[Ashley]

One that I want to test them out because I ain't never had no real, you know, organic, natural.

[Le]

You can keep them room temperature, too.

[Lex]

Yeah, no, they are.

[Ashley]

They.

[Lex]

They last, like, a long time, too. All the eggs you get in the grocery store are old eggs for like 30, 40 days, 60 days if you don't wash them off.

[Le]

Are they going to be different color eggs?

[Lex]

Yes, girl.

[Le]

I cannot.

[Lex]

Like, I have five different breeds of chicken, so I have all different eggs.

[Le]

Yay.

[Ashley]

Did you have to get them shots and stuff?

[Lex]

Yeah, I did. And then I gave them, like, medicated feed while they were young to keep them nice and healthy.

[Le]

So we doing all well, We.

[Ashley]

We ain't got nothing to worry about over there then.

[Le]

I love it. I love it.

[Lex]

So what you up to, Ms. Rail?

[Ashley]

I was in Charlotte for the weekend. I went to go visit my best friend and check on. You know, I have a brokerage up there as well, and I didn't cook, but I. The day before Memorial Day, Sunday, I went to kitchen. Kitchen and cocktail.

[Le]

Oh, my goodness.

[Lex]

What's that?

[Ashley]

It's a restaurant. The food was amazing. If y' all ever in Charlotte, I know they have a few areas. I think it's one in D.C. somewhere in Texas. And the one in Charlotte, that's the only one I really been to. When I tell you it's a nice soul, soul food, like luxury restaurant. Everything is on point. Everything. The collard greens, the macaroni cheese, the candy yams, the black eyed peas, the cornbread, everything. Like I literally order everything when I get there. So I was being, you know, big back this weekend.

[Le]

I guess we should, we have to treat ourselves.

[Ashley]

You know, I got my little break because the kids are at school, so my low vacation time.

[Le]

Good for you.

[Ashley]

Okay.

[Lex]

Nice. Nice.

[Le]

Love it.

[Lex]

Well, yeah, it was a good weekend. We needed that. That little break.

[Le]

It's the jump start into summer. So like that is like the. It's shifting from finishing up all these school events and to now prepping for the summer. Where are the kids gonna go? Internships, camps, all these things. Vacations, everything.

[Ashley]

Yeah, yeah.

[Le]

Ice break much?

[Ashley]

Well, we. Let's get into it, you guys.

[Le]

Let's do it.

[Ashley]

Today we're gonna talk about some. Everybody. The everybody been going in on Donald Trump. But then they started saying more people that he had had been part he pardoned. So former President Trump has issued a full pardon to reality TV couple Todd and Julie Chris Chrisley, parts of Chrisley Chris Lee Knows Best, who were previously convicted of defrauding banks for more than 30 million and committing tax evasions. The controversial decision has sparked outrage and reignited conversations about privilege, justice and celebrity favoritism in politics.

[Lex]

Yeah, I mean, it does seem like if you a little popular, you know, I'm saying you need a, you know, he's, I feel like he feeds off of popularity. Like he's the reason why he's in office, the reason why he's so popular now. Like he won the popular vote. Like, I feel like it really is almost a popularity contest for him. So while he's in office, he's still doing the popular thing and getting, you know, pardoning popular people to keep the people happy, you know, keep the majority on his side. Because a lot of people, you know, every now and then we start being like, damn, we voted this man in.

[Ashley]

Look what he doing.

[Lex]

But then he'll go and pardon, you know, these popular people. A lot of people in pop culture that people are very familiar with in their everyday, you know, lives and world, and it kind of is like, oh, well, that's cool. You know, a lot of people aren't super political. So once they see like a pop star or a reality TV star getting pardoned, you know, I feel like it keeps him relevant.

[Le]

Relevant. Yeah, I agree 100, 100% with you, Ashley. He is about the culture of being the most famous, the most popular, the most liked, making America great in so many capacities. But he understands. One thing he does understand is the fact of the popular vote. The. The. The fact that you have the different demographics of whoever you're following. Because I don't. I agree with you. What is that? It's popular people. People that are famous. But then there was also like, I guess, you know, he's. He's pardoned other people to the point where it's like, okay, if this person is. Stands for something, I'm going to be the one that's going to be the culture shifter, just so you can. My name is attached to it, so I'm going to get the credit for it. And so he's very much, like, consistent with the fact that he wants that limelight and he's shifting that energy to, like, let me be the one. I do eventually have the authority, which we see that he does is showing his power. You know, like, you know, literally his signature is pardoning people. And so it's favoritism in, in a lot of ways, but at the same time, it's almost erasing the smear of the other bad things that we think about him.

[Lex]

Exactly.

[Ashley]

Somebody was saying that people was paying him for. For them to get pardoned. But here's. Here's a list of who he recently. Who he signed to. D John G. Rowland former government of Connecticut Cantrell Gauden, NBA Youngboy Michael Graham, former New York Rep. Kevin Eric Basin, Marcy Bashaw, Todd and Julie Tanner, Mansell and John Moore, Michael Harris and Larry Hoover. When you look at some of these crimes that they have committed, it's like.

[Lex]

Yeah, well, and then I guess it goes both ways because it's like, okay, you're pardoning some of these people who committed crimes that should be, you know, paying the price for what they've done. Right. But it seems like, you know, he'll pardon some people, but then, like, the people that don't necessarily would have voted for him, they'll. He's letting those people go to, to keep, you know, to keep things in balance almost. You know what I mean? Like, when he pardoned Kodak and. Or helped him get out. You know what I mean? Like, just finding ways to like, stay popular but still, like, keeping his agenda. Like how he pardoned the, the January 6th resurrection.

[Le]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lex]

But then, you know, he's teaming up with Kanye. Like, it's like he does things like that's in.

[Ashley]

I mean he did have a reality.

[Le]

Show you all that was inspiring people. He was, you know, he is pop culture himself. He is mentioned on the Barts like the Simpsons, you know what I mean? Like he has been been mimicked many times on Saturday Night Live. So he is pop culture.

[Lex]

You know I think this is fair like that he, he's doing this like how y' all feel about it?

[Le]

I mean this is, this is letting, it's putting a spotlight on being a president of the free United States of. So at the end of the day he's showing his power of what he can do and that's why it's important to vote because the power is literally in the pen, in the signature and he's showing that. And I mean look at Joe Biden right before he left office he pardoned his son. So it's the power of the presidency. So whoever gets that seat, that's why it's very important who you're voting for. And honestly Donald Trump, President Trump, he has, everything he said he's been, he's gonna do, he's been doing now that's.

[Lex]

One thing, wrote it down.

[Le]

That's one thing I can say. So here we are, you know, so.

[Ashley]

I definitely don't think it's there. When you look at some of the crimes and then like the Chrisleys look how much money they frauded the government and they don't have. They like it's basically erased now. But you have other people serving time, you know, serving time that did less, that didn't do as much and you know, they're still sitting in prison. It's like it does show, like it's favoritism or if you have a big name, you know we're going to make sure you're taken care of. It's the system is just, it's not right.

[Le]

Wow.

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[Lex]

I'm dying.

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[Ashley]

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[Le]

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[Ashley]

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[Le]

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[Lex]

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[Taraji P. Henson]

It's Mental Health Awareness Month and on a recent episode of just heal with Dr. J, the incomparable Taraji P. Henson stopped by to discuss how she's discovered peace on her journey. So what I'm hearing you saying is healing is a part of us also reconnecting to our childhood in some sort.

[Ashley]

You said I look how youthful I look because I never let that little girl inside of me die. I go outside and run outside with the dogs. I still play like a kid. I laugh, you know, I love jokes. I love funny. I love laughing. I laugh at myself. I don't take myself too seriously. That's the stuff that keeps you young and stops you from being so hard to hear.

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[Ashley]

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[Le]

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[Lex]

So remember this the same man who took out an app or the, the Central park five back in the day.

[Ashley]

Yeah.

[Lex]

This is the same person. And I feel like he's showing his same power. It's just, you know, he's the president now.

[Le]

He's doing everything. He's saying that, that like, for example, white South Africans are being, you know, mauled and wiped away. So he brought them over here.

[Ashley]

And.

[Le]

The president was sitting next to him in a meeting. You know, it's just, it's a lot. It's all over the place. It's politics. But let you know, again, I keep saying this, the power of the presidency, it's a major thing.

[Ashley]

Yeah, yeah, I know.

[Le]

President Obama would have never been able to get away with this.

[Lex]

No, no.

[Ashley]

They could have said, Larry, Larry, President Obama, Larry, Larry Hoover. Oh, they would have had a President Obama talking so much. What?

[Le]

I think I'm big.

[Ashley]

So you think that people will go back and watch the Chrisleys when you think they have a TV show coming out, you think they got, they got.

[Le]

To come back and Donald Trump might be producing it. We don't even know anymore. Like it just might be a part of it. Their daughter is very vocal. Like she had her hat on. She, I think she low key made the announcement. Like, look, I think she even sat down with her or was some kind of way was connected to Donald Trump to be able to make this happen.

[Ashley]

So of course, got to be, they.

[Lex]

Got to be full for MAGA people.

[Le]

I'm sure they've been doing this for years. This is all about that dollar. It's all about television. It's all about popularity. It's all about, you know, the, the different culture of reality tv. I mean, here we go. Just, just shows what's going on.

[Ashley]

You know who had me, who pissed off at Donald Trump right now because his name went on that list. What's the one that was popular during, during, during the pandemic? It was he had the tigers or tiger king.

[Le]

Oh, tiger king, yes. Joe, right? I think his name is.

[Ashley]

Joe is going on a rampage right now because his name is not on that list. He like, how you getting rid. Letting all these people going. I ain't do nothing.

[Lex]

Oh my goodness.

[Ashley]

Joe is.

[Le]

I love that show. That was great. Actually. It was a great docu series.

[Ashley]

He was very entertaining. I wonder what happened to the cat lady. The cat, you know, the cat lady is outside of Tampa. Yeah.

[Lex]

I thought she had to like go into hiding basically because everybody thought she for real killed her husband.

[Ashley]

I don't know.

[Le]

You need to pull up and see real.

[Ashley]

I ain't going to come up missing. I love my life too much at the zoo. But from. From the documentary. It was suspect.

[Lex]

She did it.

[Ashley]

The math wasn't math. She did it.

[Lex]

He let them tigers eat her husband up.

[Ashley]

That's crazy.

[Le]

That did have in Covid. That was pure entertainment, by the way. It had us in the chokehold. I know. I watched that amongst other things. But it definitely was something to talk about.

[Ashley]

I was focused now.

[Le]

I was locked in.

[Ashley]

I was locked in. It was all right, let's get into it. Money Long is catching backlash. Is she misunderstood or missed a lot? Misaligned Grammy winning R B artists. Am I saying her name right? Money or Mooney? Money Long recently opened up about why she believes some black women don't resonate with her personality. Her comments have triggered social media debates about perception, likability and the often unspoken dynamics between black female celebrities and audience. This conversation opens the door to deeper dialogue around authentic. I hate this. Authenticity, representation. And while being unapologetically. You still gets criticized even in 2025. So did y' all hear when. When Money Loan she was like, basically, you know, black women don't resonate with her.

[Lex]

Yeah, but what is she talking about? Because we are her audience and I agree, we the ones singing her songs and doing the tiktoks and all of that. What is she talking about?

[Le]

I agree.

[Lex]

And it's like everybody is going to get criticized, Boo boo Kitty. Like you are a public figure and everybody knows, like the haters are always the loudest anyway. Like, we know that, you know. And you've been in the business for how long now?

[Le]

Yes. Up to where she had some PR training and she should take it with.

[Ashley]

A grain of salt. I mean, you know, and be open to criticism. It doesn't mean you have to accept what they say. People are going to talk. You are a public figure. You can sing your ass off you're amazing, you're very talented. But people are going to speak how they feel. Doesn't mean that they. You can't justify and just say all black women don't resonate with you. Right. That's not true.

[Le]

All is a big number.

[Ashley]

Right.

[Le]

And you guys said it best. Like we are, we do listen to her. It's definitely our demographic. But she did say like, her. What did she say? Like, her biggest fans are from Brazil and the Philippines, which to me, like, you gotta stop. Like, like at the end of the day, Brazil has, is, is. Is. Has the most black people. So I don't know where she got her information from, but you know, I think it was just a mistake. And hopefully, you know, we, we can move past this and we, we forgiving as we do. But you know, we. Let's, let's make some good.

[Lex]

I think she should probably take it up with her. Her PR people, her branding people. If she feels like she's not resonating in the way that she wants to. If she's not, if her image isn't aligning with whatever she, you know, feels is true to herself, then maybe she needs to like, you know, go back and renr.

[Le]

Right. Is it like.

[Lex]

Yeah, like she needs to go back with her people and have a conversation because maybe like, maybe we aren't resonating with her the way, you know, she would like. But that's not, you know, I don't feel like she should come on, you know, social media and be talking about aunties and aunties and so our mamas is whatever.

[Ashley]

She can't crucify every black woman just because she. Because a few women have said certain things and you just only reading, you know, black women comments and now you're just saying now all black women don't resonate with you. You can't do that.

[Lex]

Yeah. No.

[Ashley]

Especially being a public fig. The public figure you are. You have so many people looking up so many black women looking up to you. So many black women that support. So many black women that sing your song word for word, that love you. So I just feel like.

[Le]

Right.

[Ashley]

Like you said, Ashley, you know, the PR training needs to be there because now you're. You're really starting to get, you know, trolls and everyone's starting to come at. Even the people who really supported you now they're looking at you different because of your comment.

[Lex]

Yes.

[Le]

It's like a slap in the face, like definitely them. She has to leave her personal like, energy. Energy out of it.

[Ashley]

And it's hard Though, because you're very talented. You're gonna get people to come at you. You gotta ignore, you know, even us. You have to ignore what they say because, you know, it's. It's. It's not you.

[Le]

Is she considered pop or RnB and soul?

[Lex]

Well, I think she started in, like, country or something. Like, she is. She's like, multi. Yeah. So, I mean, okay. I feel like she gets love from everybody. And maybe, you know, she's closest to the black community. Maybe she hears more. I don't know if the negative stuff from. I don't know. But whatever it is, I feel like, you know, you have to. If you're a public person, you just have to know that not everybody gonna like you, first of all, and that's okay.

[Ashley]

Why do we take it as it's always us? Like, when it comes. When criticism comes from your own community, why does it hurt more?

[Le]

Well, because it's a lineage and goes back to history of being attacked by our own people, you know, the Crab Barrel effect as well as we can be our own worst critics, you know, to each other. We don't want to help each other. We don't want to build with each other. We don't want to lift each other up. So it just comes from a generational hatred of what was embedded in us all the way. Taking it all the way back to when we were not allowed to. We were. Had to separate each other. You know, somebody was coming after us of our own color just to be in line with mastering them. So it goes all the way back to that. So it's just a lot of this lineage of generational hatred of just not everyone just kind of competing for themselves. And unfortunately, women can be harsh against other women. You know, we can beat each other up so much, and, you know, we should be glorifying our bodies and our skin colors and our textures of our hair and all these things. We're just so targeted in one way, but at the same time, we're targeting each other.

[Ashley]

Right. But sometimes I feel like, you know, we can take criticism. People take criticism, as always. It's always a bad. But sometimes it's not. Sometimes, you know, you can take criticism. We have to learn attack.

[Lex]

Everything is not meant to tear you down.

[Le]

Defensive. We're defensive, y' all. You know, it's just we've been pitted against each other for so long, and so we have these, like, hard shells, you know what I mean? It's just very much hard to penetrate it.

[Ashley]

And then when you try to give advice or Criticize something. It's like, oh, it's an attack. But it's really not. It's like, okay, I'm supporting you. I'm watching you. I'm listening to you. I think you should do this coming from a man or, you know, empower. Multiple people are saying it. It's not attack. It's not an attack. Always.

[Lex]

Yeah.

[Ashley]

You just have to learn how to be able to accept criticism.

[Lex]

Maybe she was having a bad day.

[Le]

That could be a possible, too. That could be very much a possibility.

[Ashley]

Yeah. Do y' all think we're harder on our own than we are on others? Why or why not?

[Le]

We hold ourselves to a high standard. Just again, being separated and being picked at over our history of being African Americans living here, unfortunately. So it's just. It's just very much comes with the territory of being blessed to be black, you know, and we have to do that shift of supporting one another and uplifting one another and being a sisterhood, because that's where our strength lies. We have the most homes that, you know, single family households are owned by black women. We're top entrepreneurs. We're very smart and educated. We're one of the highest educated demographic groups. So it's just. We have to lean on, really, our faith and understanding of knowing who we are and tapping back into our power and our essence of knowing who our. What our strength is and strength in numbers. So once we all lock in and get. And rally up and get together, there's no stopping this movement.

[Ashley]

That's true, Le. Yes.

[Le]

It's real.

[Ashley]

I mean, I think Ashley said it best. I think she answered this. They asked, how should artists respond when they feel misunderstood or disliked? Anyone with a public figure. I feel like no response is the best response when it's something trying to prove a point to make people like you. When you feel disliked, ignore it. I feel like you create more. More commotion when you're grow this.

[Le]

I love the growth.

[Ashley]

I'm gonna let you finish. No, it's the truth. I mean, I'm. I can talk about it because I was there, but it, like, it creates more commotion, and it's just. You allow those trolls to overpower the people who really look up to you.

[Le]

Yeah.

[Ashley]

Like, when you don't entertain them, they eventually die down.

[Le]

Yes, exactly.

[Ashley]

Weren't you, you know, then there? So I just need more because, you.

[Le]

Know, it's growth over here. You're gross over there, baby. Take it away. Yes, yes. You know, we can talk about that, you know, because obviously, us being public figures we're learning, and people have an opinion. Especially when you do reality tv, Especially when they know they can touch you. And so it's like, it is hard because we internalize it. We know who we are. We also know who we're raising. We also know everything we've been through. And we're like. But we're trying to tell you we're not these people. You know, whatever the case may be.

[Ashley]

I promise you, I'm not.

[Le]

You know, again, every. It's freedom of speech. Everybody has an opinion, and they're going to talk about it. That's why we. We can have a platform to talk on our own, too. So here we are.

[Ashley]

What you want to say, Ash?

[Lex]

No, just the same thing y' all was saying. I feel like, you know, she.

[Ashley]

Or.

[Lex]

Or anybody in the public eye, I just feel like you just have to know it's going to come at some point. But like I said, maybe she was just having a moment and she couldn't take y' all shit no more. Okay.

[Le]

Like, you know what?

[Lex]

You know, everybody done been there. We all done been there where we just needed a moment to get it out. You know, we've all had a moment where we had a little Twitter beef or went back and forth with somebody in the DMs or, you know, in the comment section or whatever. Like, we've all been there, done that. So, you know, even though I do think she should have not said everything she said, we've all been there. You know what I'm saying? We've all had a moment of, like, you know, we just feel like we need to say what we need to say, right?

[Le]

Yeah, but.

[Lex]

Yeah, I don't think she should do that again.

[Le]

For sure.

[Ashley]

Girl, let it flow through your music, girl. Let it flow.

[Le]

Yes, I know that's right. I like that.

[Ashley]

But we love that energy, honey.

[Le]

Long, we do love you.

[Ashley]

Hours and hours. That was my jam.

[Le]

Yeah, it still is.

[Lex]

It was stuck in my damn head forever, like.

[Ashley]

And then the notes that she hit, right? See if I can sing. I hit it, but I can't sing. We ain't got push on here to hit them notes.

[Le]

Hey. Yes. Love and music. Yes.

[Ashley]

Yes. So get it together. We standing long. We support you, girl.

[Le]

We support.

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