Jim Jones & Unc Rap BEEF + Bun B Top 10 Texas Rappers

Summary

Podcast Summary: Club Shay Shay – Episode Featuring Jim Jones & Unc Rap BEEF + Bun B Top 10 Texas Rappers

Overview

In this lively episode of Club Shay Shay, NFL legend Shannon Sharpe engages with renowned rapper Jim Jones, former NFL player and rapper Chad "Ocho Cinco" Johnson, and hip-hop icon Bun B. The discussion traverses a variety of topics, including the evolution of the music industry, the competitive nature of rap, inter-artist rivalries, the impact of artificial intelligence (AI) on music creation, and the legacy of Texas rappers.

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1. Evolution of the Music Industry

Jim Jones reflects on the significant changes in the music industry over the past two decades, emphasizing the advent of social media and its role in marketing and promoting music.

"[02:06] Jim Jones: When I started in 2003... these kids got a bit of advantage when it comes to marketing the promo that we didn't have."

He highlights how older artists sometimes struggle to adapt to the "dinosaur ways" of the past and stresses the importance of reinvention and staying disciplined to remain relevant.

"[03:21] Jim Jones: Sustainability is a motherfucker."

2. Competitiveness in Rap and Artistic Reinvention

Chad Johnson draws parallels between the competitive nature of rap and that of other sports, citing Beyoncé's versatility as a benchmark.

"[04:21] Chad Johnson: It takes some hustle. It takes some guts to do that."

Jim Jones agrees, comparing artistic versatility to sports figures like Michael Jordan who excelled in multiple arenas.

"[04:21] Jim Jones: She like Michael Jordan... he playing baseball and being successful at the same time."

3. Current State of Hip-Hop

The conversation shifts to the present era of hip-hop, with Jim Jones encouraging creativity among younger artists and expressing support for diverse musical expressions.

"[05:07] Jim Jones: I encourage these youngsters to be as creative as they can."

He emphasizes the importance of connecting with audiences and maintaining authenticity.

"[05:14] Jim Jones: As long as it's connecting with the crowd... Who am I to say I don't like that music?"

4. Inter-Artist Rivalries and the Art of War in Rap

The dialogue intensifies as Jim Jones and Chad Johnson delve into the competitive spirit of rap, referencing historical and contemporary rivalries.

"[06:33] Jim Jones: It's about the art of war when it comes to the music nowadays."

Chad Johnson questions whether the trend of dissing prominent artists like Kendrick Lamar is a reflection of rap's evolving competitive landscape.

"[08:07] Chad Johnson: We see a lot more dissing going on... Is that where we're headed?"

Jim Jones defends the confrontational nature of rap as intrinsic to the genre, likening it to a competitive sport.

"[08:39] Jim Jones: Rap is built on that. It's a very competitive sport."

5. Beef Between Jim Jones and Chad Johnson

A heated exchange ensues as Jim Jones challenges Chad Johnson's lyrical prowess and his comparisons to legendary rapper Nas.

"[06:58] Jim Jones: You got a bunch of 40 and 50 year olds in their panties because I said I'm better than Nas."

Chad Johnson counters by mocking Jones's strength and rap skills, leading to a back-and-forth debate about who reigns supreme.

"[29:23] Jim Jones: You can't do nothing with me, bro."

"[33:44] Jim Jones: You sound like you're a little hot. You over there hot."

This segment showcases the classic "battle of the artists" trope, with both parties asserting their dominance in the rap arena.

6. Upcoming Projects: Movie and Album Releases

Jim Jones shares insights into his future endeavors, highlighting the release of his movie "Church Steps" and an upcoming album.

"[36:56] Jim Jones: Coming after Church Steps, a lovely movie... it's an add on to my album."

He emphasizes his identity beyond music, portraying himself as a philanthropist dedicated to giving back to the community.

"[37:30] Jim Jones: I'm a great businessman all around the board... I'm a philanthropist."

7. Impact of Artificial Intelligence on Music Creation

The discussion shifts to the controversial use of AI in music production, with Bun B and Jim Jones voicing concerns over intellectual property and the authenticity of AI-generated music.

"[46:16] Bun B: The only way that AI can do these things is if you feed it information."

Jim Jones warns about the potential legal and ethical ramifications of AI replicating artists' styles without consent.

"[46:48] Jim Jones: AI can replicate what a rhyme from you would sound like without you having to write it."

8. Legacy of Texas Rappers

In honoring Texas's rich hip-hop heritage, Bun B passionately defends his position among the top Texas rappers, arguing against the exclusion of legends like Jadakiss from critical rankings.

"[52:27] Bun B: There's no way you could have five people from Houston that can rap better than me."

He commends iconic figures such as DLC and Scarface while asserting his own influence in shaping the Texas rap scene.

"[53:52] Bun B: Man, they got Big Daddy K... People don't realize how good Big Daddy Kane was."

9. Q&A Session

In the final segment, listeners’ questions address potential collaborations and the future of certain artists. Jim Jones candidly discusses the challenges in collaborating with artists like Kendrick Lamar due to the lack of personal relationships.

"[56:07] Bun B: When are we going to get a Kendrick. Kendrick, UGK collab?"

Bun B elaborates on his openness to collaborate with top-tier artists but acknowledges logistical barriers.

"[57:10] Bun B: But if you’re talking about everybody top five from Texas... I give you DLC and Scarface."

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Notable Quotes

• Jim Jones on Industry Changes:

  "[02:06] Jim Jones: When I started in 2003... these kids got a bit of advantage when it comes to marketing the promo that we didn't have."

• Chad Johnson on Artistic Versatility:

  "[04:21] Chad Johnson: It takes some hustle. It takes some guts to do that."

• Jim Jones on Competitiveness in Rap:

  "[08:39] Jim Jones: Rap is built on that. It's a very competitive sport."

• Bun B on AI in Music:

  "[46:16] Bun B: The only way that AI can do these things is if you feed it information."

• Jim Jones on Philanthropy:

  "[37:30] Jim Jones: I'm a great businessman all around the board... I'm a philanthropist."

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Conclusion

This episode of Club Shay Shay offers an unfiltered glimpse into the minds of hip-hop veterans and their perspectives on the industry's evolution, the intrinsic competitiveness of rap, and the emerging challenges posed by technology. The fiery exchange between Jim Jones and Chad Johnson adds a layer of entertainment, while Bun B provides thoughtful commentary on both legacy and the future of music. Listeners are left with a comprehensive understanding of the complexities and dynamics shaping modern hip-hop.

Transcript

[Jim Jones]

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[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hello, it's your favorite sports thunk here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, Nightcap doesn't happen without you, so please subscribe or you're gonna make Ocho cry. Jim Jones is joining us as Ocho was breaking him in. Jim, how you doing, bro?

[Jim Jones]

How you feeling, my brother?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You good?

[Jim Jones]

Yeah, I'm good, man. Life is good. God is good. I can't complain.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. So talk to us a little about this music thing. You've been in this thing for a minute now. So talk about Jim Jones of twenty years ago, Jim Jones today. Have you noticed anything different in the music industry? Have you noticed, have you tried to do anything different with your sound to keep up with the way the industry is headed?

[Jim Jones]

Oh, yeah, the industry. The industry has changed tremendously from, from when I started. There wasn't no social media for one.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Jim Jones]

When I started in 2003 with my first first deal and even before that when Cam started with his deal, so these kids got a bit of advantage when it comes to marketing the promo that we didn't have. They had access to a lot of information that we didn't have. A lot of people say it works against us, but I think it works for us. And watching the way that these kids work in, in the present day and things like that, I've learned a lot for them from how they carry their music, from how they sell their music, and from how they market and promote their music. Us as being here for so too long, for so long. We seem. We tend to get caught up in our dinosaur ways from yesterday, how they carry artists, but that's not the way they carry artists today. So there are platinum artists that have their nose up because they're big platinum artists, but that don't count in today's society. They don't carry it the same way. So what I've chose to do was always chose to try to reinvent myself, but not to the point where I'm chasing. But there's a medium that reach because I always want to teach these kids, but I always want to learn something also. So you know that and, and, and, and reinventing yourself, you got to be willing to be disciplined, to know what direction you want to go in when it comes to reinventing yourself, you know what I mean? One of the things I credit do is the gym. The gym is one of the biggest attributes to me being able to sustain this long in the game. Sustainability is a motherfucker.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Jim, let me ask you this. And I hear this a lot in, A lot especially in, in music. And I see this with, in television and entertainment. Actors, actresses, it's like, man, every record that he put out, it sounds the same. Okay? He does something different, man. He don't sound like the old guy. He don't sound like he used to. Okay, an actress, they try, actor, actors, they try to do a different role than what we're used to seeing, man. I like when he did that. I don't like, I don't like this new. So you want the guy to change, you want the individual to change and give you something different. And when they give you something different, you say they don't sound the same and you don't like it. So how does someone win? Now the person that, that I have the utmost respect for and what she's been able to do is Beyonce. Beyonce is as big as you can get in one genre. And she says, you know what? I will go over here and I'm gonna do this. I mean it takes some hustle. It takes some Gus gym to do that.

[Jim Jones]

I mean, she like Michael Jordan. When Michael Jordan left the NBA, he went to the, to the nbl, the major league and mlb.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Try to play baseball.

[Jim Jones]

He had to have a lot of guts, you know, I mean like same with like Dion, Neon Dion when he was playing football and playing baseball and being successful at the same time in both, in both of them sports. I mean, and that takes a lot of heart. I Don't. I haven't seen anybody else do that successfully the way that Beyonce has, has done it. So I tip my hat to the barriers that she continue to break inside of this music industry.

[Unnamed Host]

Yeah. Hey, Jimmy, what you think right now about the state of. The state of hip hop where. Where it is right now? How do you feel about it? Especially with. With the young dudes with the sound now? Obviously, I think when it comes to. To rap in general, Hip hop in general, I think the sound changes every 10 years.

[Jim Jones]

How.

[Unnamed Host]

What do you. How do you feel about this era of. Of hip hop right now that we're in? Do you like it? Have you embraced it? What?

[Jim Jones]

I mean, my. In my opinion, it doesn't matter because I had my time where we were dictating the sound of music and we had a ball and there were older people that was hating on the time that we had and things like that. I encourage these youngsters to be as creative as they can. As long as it's connecting with the. The crowd and people are singing your. And they going to your. To your shows, then who am I to say I don't like that music when they out here stinking, you know what I mean? You did like. So it's like you gotta find. You gotta stay true to yourself, but find your rhythm in the mixture. What's going on as you're gonna be lost in the sauce. So you're gonna be looking like an old dude or you're gonna be looking like it has been. You understand? I'm not into that. My energy ain't for that. You heard? If I'm gonna be a contender in this game, I'm gonna play at the top. At the top of my ability to play, you know, I mean, I'm not gonna take no shortcuts enough. And I'm in. And I'm in it. I mean, I gotta contend with the younger boys. I gotta contend with older boys. So that means I gotta come through stepping. They only respect balance and not to say violence, but you know what I mean? Like, they got. While I'm in the game, I' ma show them that, like, people don't get it twisted. Like I'm. I'm a man of many, many different things. Like my rapper hat is one. Is one hat that I wear, right? But if I'm rapping and I'm in it, I'm in it. What's up? I'm going against all odds and what I gotta do to maintain be a contender in this game, to keep feeding my family and Making the money that I make off this.

[Unnamed Guest]

You know what I mean?

[Jim Jones]

I think people get that twisted when they see me talking and popping my shit and shit like that. That's just one character that I gotta put out there for y' all to eat up, you know what I mean? But.

[Unnamed Host]

Matter of fact, hold on. I'm gonna let you. I'm just gone. I just. I saw some. I saw some comments. I saw a clip about, you know, you and Push. I'm not sure if you and Push, you know, got any type of beef or whatever. I just saw something about you. You talk about the ace trumpet.

[Jim Jones]

You.

[Unnamed Host]

You didn't like. You didn't like the album. You didn't like the song. You know, Woody raps about. It's not.

[Jim Jones]

I don't got no beef with. I don't got no beef with nobody.

[Unnamed Host]

Okay, okay, okay. I'm just asking.

[Jim Jones]

Half of it. Half of it is my opinion. Half of it is me bending the AL algorithm happened. It is feeding into people's simplicity because the social media is for that. You know what I mean? And like I said, I'm a rapper in this game, it comes with the territory. You got to be very competitive. It's a very competitive sport. And you better have some thick skin. I ain't saying nothing. I want to hurt nobody or do nothing to nobody. Everything I've been talking about been strictly about the art of war when it comes to the music nowadays. Now, maybe 10 years ago, 15 years ago, it would have been a different outcome of what I was. You know what I mean? I'm not on that. And I think a lot of that gets twisted. And with the Jim Jones of today and things like that, I ain't got no problems with nobody. Ain't got no. I ain't got no option or nothing. And, you know, as parts of me that I've been working on every day. So until. Sometimes I, I. I talk way too fast than I should, you heard? But it's part of the game. I don't care, you dig? I hate it or love it. I'm gonna turn it into. Into a victory for me.

[Unnamed Host]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Check this out, Jim. It seems to me since this past summer, what passed last summer, when Kendrick had that diss, it seems like now people are just like, yo, hey, we saw the success that Kendrick had, got five Grammys, he hosted, you know, halftime show, the super bowl, blah, blah, blah. We see a lot more dissing going on. Is that what we. If that where we're headed now, Danny.

[Jim Jones]

Where you been at you don't remember Tupac. You seen the success that Tupac had.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, but look, you see the success.

[Jim Jones]

What about Kumo? What about Kuvo?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Did ll.

[Jim Jones]

This is a competitive sport. The rap is built on that. So Kendrick and Drake having what they have was no surprise through the rap industry. I mean, people look at it as something, but this is what the art of rap is about. It's a very competitive sport, and you gotta be ready to be on top of your game when it comes to that. So if you put something out, you gotta be ready for the same energy to come back at you. That's what rap is about. Some people don't go down that lane. Some people go around that lane. People go right through it. I'm one of the people that go right through a win, lose a draw. I keep the same face.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hold on, hold on. Jim, Jim, bro, I'm not looking for you to come at me. I put you on. Remember? I used to have you on my. I used to have. I used to. Used to tour with me, used to open up with me, bro. You know? You remember that, right? When nobody was booking you. You remember that?

[Jim Jones]

You heard this song. You heard this. You heard the saying, when rivals, I mean, idols become your rivals. That's what the rap game is about. Did Allen Iverson hesitate to shake Michael Jordan up when he got in the NBA? Yeah. Okay. Cause he was on another team. That might not stop the love he had for Mike. But while we on this battlefield, my team got a win. And I'm willing to kill anybody that's in front of me for my team to win. And that was Allen Alice's attitude. You got to understand what happens when you come into this game. Your idols become your rivals. There's no passes when we on the other team, we meet you at the party, we can laugh, pop champagne. But right now, while we on this field, while we on this court, oh, I'm coming to scrape shit up now.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

We can't pop no more champagne. You got people laughing at me. And guess what? They playing at the football games. They played at the basketball game. Not like us. Oh, no, we can't pop no champagne after that. Hey, as a matter of fact, I'mma close the club down. Hey, if he a. If he coming, I ain't coming.

[Jim Jones]

I mean, but I just told you, that's what it is. It's competitive sport, man. You gotta. It got different levels to it and things like that, but that's what this was built on, you heard? So it's sad that it Gotta go to such lamps when it comes to artists getting at each other when it comes to the music. But, yeah, which. What you project is what you're gonna get. So just have that same energy you put out there, because somebody coming right back at you with that same energy sooner or later.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Well, let me ask you. Let me ask you one more question. Don't y'.

[Jim Jones]

All.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So are we gonna get some new music? Because we saw you and Cam kind of going back and forth as a dipset coming back. Y' all gonna link up together and give us some new music, yes or no?

[Jim Jones]

Right now, I'm worried about myself. Dipset is always dipset. The birds still fly high. I've been having a bird on my back for the past 15 years when nobody was worried about you. Think so that's gonna go. But right now, I got to worry about me. I got to worry about my endeavors. I got to worry about my business. I got to worry about my family, you dig? I've done a lot for Diplomats where it didn't give me nothing at the time. But right now, where I'm at in my life, what. What works for me, and what I'm worried about is myself. I can't tell you what the future may hold or what the future may bring. I'm not taking nothing off the table. You did. But right now, it's about Jim Jones and. Yeah, I am a diplomat. Owner.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Bet. Go ahead, Ocho.

[Unnamed Host]

I like that. Listen, I. You took the question. I was fast, and I think.

[Jim Jones]

I think.

[Unnamed Host]

You know what? History repeats itself, Jimmy. History always repeats itself. And most of the time, when history repeats itself, it comes back even bigger and better. I think Diplomats is going to have. They're going to have reunion. I think y' all boys going to reunite, and despite your differences, despite whatever situations y' all might have, you know, all that can be fixed behind closed doors. That ain't nothing but a conversation that just got to be had.

[Jim Jones]

Especially making that money or a check. You're like a nice check. Always calms things down, you heard? Always stupid, man. You heard. You did. But I understand, man. But right now, where I'm at, until that happens, until some business get put on the table, was advantageous for all sides. Right now, I got to worry about what capo was doing, and it's been working for me that way. You know? I mean, I've been staying out of everybody's way a little bit, you know? I mean, trying to. Every day. Every day I work on me. Every day I get better, and things like that. You think I'm. I'm unapologetic, you dig? And I don't have no regrets, you know, me. But I do. I do work on myself every day, you know? I mean, I'm not a perfect man, you dig? But I'm the perfect example of what could happen if you stay down. So you come up, and that's what I did plenty of times.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I got you, like, look, you want the OG's, rap? I mean, hip hop is 50 years of age. You've been in this thing two decades.

[Jim Jones]

I ain't 50. I'm 48.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I said hip hop is 50.

[Jim Jones]

I thought you were shooting it at me. My bad.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Nah, nah, nah. Hip hop is 50. But you've been in this thing for two decades, right?

[Jim Jones]

I've been in this thing. So, yes, it's a little bit more than that. Since 1997, Cameron got his first deal. So I'm like 28 years into two.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Okay, so almost three decades.

[Jim Jones]

Yeah, 100. I've been signed my first deals two decades ago.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

How do you determine who you. How do you determine who you work with now? When you want to work with the young artist? How do you go about that? How do you be like? Man, I kind of like him. I think we can make some beautiful music together.

[Jim Jones]

I mean, I hold no prejudice. I'm looking for great music, and I'm looking for great aesthetic. Music isn't everything in today's world when it comes to music. If you got a lifestyle that you can sell, these kids could buy into, then that's just as good as having a great hit song and things like that. And that's how it worked for me. So there's a combination of things that I look forward to work with, also do business with the artist. But as far as doing music with the artists and things like that, obviously, I'm a lover of music. So if I hear a record that I. And I think is dope, and I think the artist is dope, I reach out to him.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

How do you stay motivated, y'? All? We lost him. Yeah, I think we lost him.

[Unnamed Host]

Oh, damn.

[Jim Jones]

That was.

[Unnamed Guest]

That was good.

[Unnamed Host]

I was enjoying that, bro. Hey, I'm thinking. I'm thinking. I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about rapping, man. Shoot, man. What you think?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

What you gonna rap about now, Ocho?

[Jim Jones]

Who, me?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Host]

Hey, I mean, I'm just saying I'm a rap about things that. That I've experienced in life, you know, that that's. That's the best thing to rap about. It. That's what most rappers, they. They rap about, the things that they've experienced, you know, the ups, the downs, the goods, the bads, you know, the W's, the L's. I. I think I could put it together.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You think so?

[Jim Jones]

Oh, there we go.

[Unnamed Host]

Are you back?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, yeah.

[Jim Jones]

You look like a French painter with a little bit of biggie from Brooklyn with that on. You heard?

[Unnamed Host]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, I just came. I just came from the south of France. I was down there for six days, so I just got back yesterday.

[Jim Jones]

Oh, that's the vibe.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You still spilling.

[Unnamed Host]

I'm still on my. On my suave, my swat to know.

[Jim Jones]

Yeah, you still spilling that. I get it, I get it, I get it. At.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

At this juncture of the game, what keeps you motivated, what gets Jim makes Jim jump out of bed, press down hard as he can and press go. What. What keeps you going?

[Jim Jones]

I will say the money. But I've been making money for a long time. And opportunity to take care of my family. I've been doing that for a long time. At this point, I've been doing a lot. So I've been. My mission is been to give back more than I took, but I was able to take a lot and I'm still taking. So that's where I'm at in life right now. You know what I mean? The more I bless people, the more I get blessed. And it's just a testament of hard work and being resilient and being real with yourself.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I mean, can I ask you a question, Jim? You smoke, right?

[Jim Jones]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Were you smoking when you said you better than Nas?

[Jim Jones]

I might have been a little bit. Well, as far as. Let's get this right, I'm way more influential than Nas. And I don't care what nobody say. I know I made it. I know I made a little boo boo. When we talk about the sales and all this type of shit, I don't feel like getting into that rhetoric about where I started and where he said that. But listen, Nas was nice when I was in high school. When I was in 10th grade, Nas came out. Nas was dope. We appreciated him. He had a little bit run. But Nas always came up second to Jay and DMX and all these other people. Like, he never had. He never had that type of influence on us. Except for his first album, I already told you, I used to want to dress like Nas because he had a lot of fresh clothes that the hustlers used to wear. And. And we used to see him on tv and he had one of the illest albums of all time. And then in high school when he had the barbecue and shit like that. So I'm a real fan of Nas, but he kind of lost me after Bell the movie Belly and shit like that. Like I don't man, go ahead on with that.

[Unnamed Guest]

Gm.

[Jim Jones]

I'm trying to tell you I'm being honest. You want to. You ask me. I'm being. I'm being a fan. I'm telling you from the movie Belly was fire. But after that he kind of lost me. I don't think. I think we was way too much into the game. Remember how this goes? That's not you ever heard of a Kofi list?

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[Jim Jones]

I'm trained to go compete. I'm trained to be like harder. But sometimes that mentality stops you from stopping and smelling the flowers in your own garden. Is it wrong to want more? We migrated.

[Unnamed Host]

Our family migrated here.

[Jim Jones]

I'm like second generation.

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[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Mahomes is into the end zone. Touchdown Kansas City.

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He's on it. How about Lamar Jackson?

[Jim Jones]

Jackson takes it himself. Look at him dirt back and forth.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

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[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Jim Jones]

Yo, go back into your history and find out what happened between us and him. You digging? I'm not trying to repeat history, but don't play with us when it comes to that, bro. We already went wild on them boys, you heard? We the ones that went wild on them boys. And people out here acting like I said, I'm gonna bring the Kofi list back. I just told you I'm gonna change hands. That's a law. Can you dig?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Look, I'm putting like this, bro. You've been at this thing, but lyrically I'm gonna be. I'm gonna keep it a stack with you.

[Jim Jones]

Look how you dress. You don't even be in the same places I'll be in.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I can be in the church house. You can't. You can't ever. I don't know who told you that. Now look, I know you on that good stuff, but you're not seeing Nas. You're not seeing Nas, bro. Let's be real.

[Jim Jones]

You got a bunch of 40 and 50 year olds in their panties because I said I'm better than.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It don't matter.

[Unnamed Guest]

Look at you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Nobody from the Diplomats. But you want to go back.

[Jim Jones]

I really mean it. I really mean it started if you could go back to your history, bro. Don't do that, bro.

[Unnamed Host]

I got a question.

[Jim Jones]

I got a question for itself. And meet me in a booth or something if we want to do something historical.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He don't do that no more.

[Jim Jones]

Nah, say he because he got a hundred million dollars. He's a very wealthy man, you heard he's a very small businessman.

[Unnamed Host]

Hold on, hold on, Jimmy.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hold on.

[Unnamed Host]

I got a question. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, Jim.

[Jim Jones]

Hold on, hold on.

[Unnamed Host]

I got a question, Jimmy. And anything that you do right, I've heard you preach it all. All the time, right? When you was playing football, you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Your first thing.

[Unnamed Host]

You always say, ain't nobody here better than me.

[Jim Jones]

Ah, tell him.

[Unnamed Host]

You done told me that story a million times.

[Jim Jones]

You think I'm gonna be second to anybody?

[Unnamed Host]

Jimmy, stay with me real quick. Stay with me now, Unc. Stay with me now. But I'm just saying, that mentality, isn't that how you supposed to feel? Isn't that how you supposed to feel?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know? So let me ask you a question. When you was on the field, you thought you was better than Tio and Moss? Hell, yeah.

[Jim Jones]

What you mean?

[Unnamed Host]

I ain't gonna say it out loud.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You done came on here and say, I ain't better than Moss, I'm not better than Tio, I'm not better than Rice. You said that.

[Unnamed Host]

I'm not playing the game no more.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But you weren't. You didn't you, when you was playing. Why you talking? You need to get with the locks.

[Jim Jones]

I'm still playing. I'm still playing at a high level. I'm still playing. I'm rapping at a high level. You better check my stats, bro. I won. I will run circles around Nas rapping, right. I will run circles around Nas rapping right now, right now. Around Nas right now, rapping. Everybody knows that. You heard?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He put it down. He said it now.

[Jim Jones]

I will run laps around Nas rapping right now, bro.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Jim. Oh, you talking right now, but I'm talking about y', all, and.

[Jim Jones]

I'm still in it. Cam was smoking his boots. I wasn't rapping when he was rapping, but Cam would really got at him. You remember I really mean it that we've been getting at them, boys, but this is not about that right now. 20, 25, I'm in the game, still rapping at a high capacity. If Nas wants to smoke, come in.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

A booth, I will rape. He enjoying that 150 million, 200 million.

[Jim Jones]

So then leave me alone while I'm on the field.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You were laughing with him. He was.

[Jim Jones]

I'm on the field. I'm picking on whoever. Whoever, whatever. I don't care. I'm on the field.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And guess who's the most. Dre, Guess who they on the field.

[Jim Jones]

You need to get.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You need to call like Kendrick. You need to call somebody that's still in it. He ain't in it.

[Jim Jones]

Why? Kendrick?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Ain't my name.

[Jim Jones]

Kendrick a name at my age. I wasn't they in my era. I ain't got. That's not my era.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He retired. Have you ever heard of retirement?

[Jim Jones]

Well, that's my era. So I'm calling all of them out. I don't care if you retired or not.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Deal with it.

[Jim Jones]

If not, meet me in the booth.

[Unnamed Guest]

Jack, you heard.

[Jim Jones]

Meet me in the booth. And I'm just talking. Let's get. Get this right. I'm not mad. It's about the sportsmanship of the game. I'm a very aggressive person. That seems to get misconstrued when I'm talking my. I'm just talking my. You hurt? Let me talk my. Cause I am on the field. If anybody got a problem with that, they could meet me on the field. That is the booth. Anybody from that era? Anybody? Hey, well, I got anybody from that era. Anybody?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Well, you and Jada in the same era.

[Jim Jones]

Anybody from that era? Don't we try.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You ain't seeing Jada.

[Jim Jones]

Stop that.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Stop that.

[Jim Jones]

Anybody from that era? I'm not scared of nobody, man.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Pup. Hey, hey. You see you speeding right now.

[Jim Jones]

Anybody from that era?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I gotta put the brake assist on you.

[Jim Jones]

I'm in the field.

[Unnamed Guest]

Daily.

[Jim Jones]

Daily. Anybody want to work out, tell them. Come to the field.

[Unnamed Host]

We got. This is the perfect opportunity. You're not even paying attention. Your antennas ain't up right now. Listen. He said anybody from his area. Anybody. He in the field, right?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Shit.

[Unnamed Host]

We can have our own verses on Nightcap. Verses?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I got Knob and Jake.

[Jim Jones]

It's deeper than the verses. It's about who making music. Meet me in the booth. Put the record up. Up. Give us a time to do the record by. Give us a subject. And let's see who won't smoke who on the booth.

[Unnamed Host]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Jim Jones]

It's about the sportsmanship. It's about the craftsmanship. The numbers, the records you heard. Cause we both got records that can smash. We both got. Meet me in the booth. All that old school. We'll play no records from 20 years ago. I am not nostalgic. It's 20, 25. Y' all want smoke? Meet me in the booth. Set it up. And we could do it for money. Labels that pay for it. How y' all want to do it? We can make a spectacle out here. I got it.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I got it. Let's go. Yeah. I got Nas. I got God, Floyd.

[Jim Jones]

Well, get him in the booth.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I got I got Jada.

[Jim Jones]

Listen to me. If you get anybody in the booth, I will pull up by myself.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. Why would you want to get out here? When you get on that mic, they can't help you. Start spitting. Who you gonna get to help you?

[Unnamed Host]

Hey, Unc, you're not seeing the vision.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm seeing the video.

[Jim Jones]

That's an opportunity. You gotta start buying. Bag of your clothes.

[Unnamed Guest]

Big fellas, too. Big man.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You talk about you in the gym. Now you want to get me. You want to. Want me to see me in the gym?

[Jim Jones]

Oh, we can do that.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You like to talk that ish. Now come see me in the gym.

[Jim Jones]

We talking about working out. What we talking about? Working out of strength? What we talking about, Working out or strength work?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

However you want to do it. We talking about since you got money.

[Jim Jones]

And we talking about put your money.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Where your mouth is.

[Jim Jones]

You got so. You're talking about working. You're talking about working out. I burn you. You're talking about working out a strength. Because you probably can lift a lot more than me.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Whatever.

[Jim Jones]

You're probably stronger than me.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Whatever.

[Jim Jones]

But if you talk about working out, you talk about working out, I'll burn you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

This ain't what you do. This ain't what you want. You are doing good. When you talk about Nas and Jada, you don't want to see this.

[Jim Jones]

Check the stats. You better go to my ig. Set it up, man, please don't. You set it up.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'll be the. Hey, guys like you ain't in my league.

[Jim Jones]

What you want to start on? What you want to start on? You want to put a trainer in between? Do not come to Atlanta tomorrow and.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Give you one, bro. You too small, bro. You're not talking to that.

[Jim Jones]

You talking a lot. What you want to do? Stick to what you do.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You. Hey, stick to what you do. You good on the mic. I won't take that away from you, but stay out.

[Jim Jones]

Do you want to do it or not?

[Unnamed Host]

I want to compete, too. What we doing?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Because one day, start with Ocho, you can't. You don't get to cover.

[Jim Jones]

Let me tell you. Let me tell you one story. Let me tell you one story. Let me tell you one story. I'm gonna tell you one story. How I met Antonio Brown. My son said, you know Antonio Brown? Live up the block because I live on the beach. And like that. I'm like, who's that? He like, he showed me to my DM'd. Him. He like, oh, yeah, your son play football. Come get this workout So I get on the beach. Cam Newton and like a few other NFL players ain't gonna say nobody named. He made two of them go home because I was. I finished the workout before they finished the workout, bro. Do not play with me. I'm a beast. Shannon, I will go crazy on you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

What do you want?

[Jim Jones]

You want to work out or you want to do strong?

[Unnamed Guest]

You heard.

[Jim Jones]

Because obviously you can lift longer than me, but you can't work out with me, bro. I'm a beast.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Jim Jones]

You can't do one muscle up nothing. You can't do nothing with me, bro.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Dude, you weigh 150 pounds. You should do muscle up.

[Jim Jones]

I wait. I weigh 195.

[Unnamed Host]

Hey.

[Jim Jones]

I weigh 195.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, Jim, go to my Instagram.

[Jim Jones]

Go to my Instagram right now. I work out every day. I post it.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I don't post it.

[Jim Jones]

Don't play with.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I work out in secret.

[Jim Jones]

I post it every day. What's up?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I don't post. I don't post nothing.

[Jim Jones]

What day you want me to come to Atlanta?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I ain't even in Atlanta. I'm gonna come see you.

[Jim Jones]

I'm coming to New York. We got gyms. When you want to do it on the show? You want to do a live on the show, 30 Minute Workout? I don't.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I don't do anything for sure. Just me and you. And I just want you to know that I kicked your ass doing what you do.

[Jim Jones]

You see what I'm saying, Ocho?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, see you by show.

[Jim Jones]

I went into.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm about dope.

[Unnamed Host]

I wanted too.

[Jim Jones]

The show gets the dough. You never heard that? Yeah, no dough, no show. What's up? You scared.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

We can do it for pay per view.

[Jim Jones]

I know you got a lot on the line because you're a professional football player or actual football player.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I retired. I retired when you signed your first contract. I retired.

[Jim Jones]

By older rappers.

[Unnamed Host]

Hey, when we gonna compete?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Because ain't no rapper beating me or nothing. But on the microphone, when it comes to the gym, that ain't happening.

[Jim Jones]

What you wanna. What you want to do? What you want to do?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Look here, you have the rap game. That's you. That's your era. That's your. That's your era. That's what your era of expertise. Yeah, my name. I ain't gonna waste my time dealing with you, man. Cause you ain't on this level.

[Jim Jones]

You want to run sprints, you want to run routes. What you want to do? Or you just want to stay in the gym? And I got a bad hamstring and I still give you work or you want to stay in the gym?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm staying in the gym. I don't want to do nothing but that iron. I don't move nothing but iron.

[Jim Jones]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

That's what I thought. Check my resume. It's expensive.

[Jim Jones]

In 30 minutes, you will not. You won't last 30 minutes with me. So me. You want me to follow you or you want to follow me? How you want to do it?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You can't follow me.

[Unnamed Host]

I'm a record.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Because you can't do nothing. You can't bench, you can't squat, you can't. You can't do nothing. You want to do body weight movements. I don't do body weight movements.

[Jim Jones]

You better go check my gram. I do surface squats. I do regular squats. We do deadlifts. We do everything. Are you out your mind? Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

£195, man. What I look like going up against £195 pound man in them gym?

[Jim Jones]

Him?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

That's wasting my time.

[Unnamed Guest]

Next.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, yo, take that.

[Jim Jones]

Where I'm from, a challenge is a challenge.

[Unnamed Host]

Yeah. Regardless of size, right?

[Jim Jones]

Yeah, we fight all bullies where I'm from. That's how I hit up no man on nothing. You heard?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm the u. S. What I look, what I look like taking over Greenland. They ain't even got no damn military. This ain't what you like.

[Jim Jones]

This ain't what you're looking for, Bro, bring your mouth and your body to Harlem.

[Unnamed Host]

Let's go to the gym. Let's go to the gym.

[Jim Jones]

You thought I was one of these out of shape rappers? No, I'm in super shape. I'm not in regular shape. I'm in super shape.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, apple is a shape, pear egg.

[Jim Jones]

I'm in super shape. And you can ask everybody.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

We was having a great conversation. It was great. You see what you did?

[Jim Jones]

Why you think I was on the COVID of men's health for my looks? Because I get busy.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, lord have mercy.

[Unnamed Host]

When we going in the gym? Cause I want this work.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm busy.

[Unnamed Host]

I want this work.

[Jim Jones]

Now you busy. You bring it up. Now you busy, rich man.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You brought it up. You owe you on your capade. First of all, you chat. You want Nas, you want Jada, you want everybody. And then you got to come.

[Jim Jones]

No, no, no, no.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You said that.

[Jim Jones]

You said that. You start bringing other people. Don't try no slick. I said I don't care who it is. I will go up against Jim Jones. That's what I said.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He's A better rapper than Nas. Jim Jones defends himself against Nas comparison. Jim Jones rejects Nas comparison. Check my record. Jim Jones argued he's bigger than Nas. You said that.

[Jim Jones]

You sound like you're a little hot. You over there hot. You in your feelings.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Cause me and everybody else.

[Jim Jones]

Your glasses is crooked. Glasses A little bit. Your glass is a little crooked.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

My glasses are fine. You can talk about.

[Unnamed Guest]

I take them off, you can see.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And I still can see. You can't f with Nas. I put them back on. You still can't f with nas.

[Jim Jones]

Come on. Since 16 bars and knives right now. Sing your favorite Nas record right now.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

The man busy.

[Jim Jones]

Sing it. Sing it. Sing your favorite Nas record.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

First of all. Oh, once you get to a certain.

[Jim Jones]

Listen, Sing your favorite Nas record. Jim, I bet you know your favorite Jay Z record. Hey, I bet you can say your favorite what GM Senior favorite Nas record.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Okay. You done flew high. You came back down now.

[Jim Jones]

Senior favorite Nas record. Sing your favorite Nas record, bro. Since you. Since you back. Since you're going crazy for. I can sing more Nas records than you right now. I can sing more Nas records than you right now. So you. Yeah, Capping. You are capping. That's what you're doing.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

First of all, bro, I'm a bigger.

[Jim Jones]

Nas fan than you are. You are.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

First of all. First of all, I won't be singing no rap. I'll be singing no rap.

[Jim Jones]

You see what I'm saying, Ocho? He don't even know about rap. He just doing this for the views to get Jim Jones on there, to get him hot. I understand, but you don't get him hot.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You don't. You know, you better check the podcast now. You better talk. This is the biggest podcast you ever been on. This one, when you get big, you get invited.

[Jim Jones]

This is what I do, Nas.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Getting by to the club.

[Jim Jones]

You're dealing with the wrong one, bro.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Right here, bro.

[Jim Jones]

I really care nothing about nothing. That's what you got to say, bro.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You might as well. Hey, we hear him.

[Jim Jones]

You can't leave me alone, bro.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Might get out me, but you can't out talk me.

[Jim Jones]

Don't nobody want to go to Club Shay say. Nobody want to buy no VIP tickets to that. Nobody rushing to go to that biggest.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Podcast you ever been on.

[Jim Jones]

Club sh Sh.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You get an invite.

[Jim Jones]

You do got to go. Listen to me. The podcast is tremendous. You and OO do your thing. But don't get it twisted, bro. I don't care nothing about no podcast.

[Unnamed Host]

Listen, we supposed to be talking about music and Love and embracing one another.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And kosher and having come out here and disrespect Nas and Jada, that ain't gonna happen on here. Now, where were we?

[Jim Jones]

Why do you keep putting Jada into this? Why you keep putting Jaden into this?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

What's wrong with you?

[Jim Jones]

What is wrong with you, bro? You type A to get caught like, nah, come out. They call us all like, why is he trying to put Jada into this, bro? Now I get it, bro. It's all good. It's all love, bro.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

All right, you talk about this here. Tell us who you got coming out.

[Jim Jones]

Out the next movie. What you said.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, you got a movie coming out, right?

[Jim Jones]

Coming after Church Steps, a lovely movie. I got a bunch of comedians in there, a bunch of influences that we all know. I'm excited to put that movie out. Comes out later on this summer. It's a, it's an ad to added on to my album. Got a bunch of dope actors in there too, so I'm looking forward to that.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So, so are you, Are you more proud? Are you most proud of the movie you have coming out or the new music you got coming out now or they're equal?

[Jim Jones]

I'm more proud of the business that I've been doing lately.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Okay.

[Jim Jones]

So you must think my life revolves around music when my life is. Music is just probably the smallest fraction of my life, even though it fuels a lot of the things that comes to my life because of music. But I'm a great businessman all around the board, you know, I mean, so you got to learn a lot, a lot more about me. And I'm a philanthropist. I'm one of, one of the few people that do give back. Shirts off my backs and things like that. All the rhetoric about the rap and back and forth is cool and like that. But deep down inside, I'm away. I'm a way element. And what we over here going off about and things like that, like I, I, I. My biggest attribute is my giving back. You heard it. I'm gonna always do that no matter what. I don't want people to get it, get it misconstrued. You know, I, I love to give back. That's what my whole mission is about. And the more I go viral, the more I'm on your explorer page, the more opportunities come to me, the more I can give back. All all this comes down to a dollar is what people don't understand. This algorith games that I had to learn and understand because I was a previously I probably would crash down so many things that I see on the Internet or so many ways that people are talking about me. I had to learn how to reverse it and use these things as fuel for me to keep going and things like that. And that's just what I've been doing. I got to a point where I got good at it, so I know how to use it in my favor. And it's a beautiful thing. It could go against you. It could go for you. But one thing, if you're a small person, it's gonna work. It's gonna work in your favor. You know what I mean? So I use all my opportunities to turn it into a dollar. And anytime that I've seen, heard, they're gonna go, want to know about me as an extra dollar. I don't care about what nobody said. I need mine in all facets.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I mean, that's what I wanted to ask you. I wanted to ask, when did. When was it always a part of your. Like, if you ever made it, that you were going to give back? Because like you said, you do. You do give back to the younger generation. You do give back to your community. When did that thought. That thought process, how did. How did that come about? Jim Jones? Like, you know, what, if I get to a certain level and I'm able to help and I'm able to get give back, that's what I'm gonna do.

[Jim Jones]

You know, we from an older era, a godfare era, so, you know, I watched my family open their house to strangers sometimes and things like that. They was always a given. And not to mention when I came in, outside and watching the hustlers doing for the community, the ones that were successful, the ones that always gave back, bus rides, sneakers, haircuts, all that. So I just chose to carry on tradition. And me being a position of success in my life only helped me to do a little bit more than what I've seen coming up. Up.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

That's what's up. That's good, bro. Hey, I'm gonna pull up in Harlem.

[Jim Jones]

Come on. I'm waiting for you, man. I love you.

[Unnamed Host]

Hey, hey.

[Jim Jones]

Hey, Jimmy.

[Unnamed Host]

Hey, if you. If you pull up in Harlem, we got to go to Ricardo's.

[Jim Jones]

No, we got to go to Ricardo's. Hey, Shannon, you know I love you. I love people. I love people that I could go back and forth with, and people don't take no offense to it. You heard a lot of people look at this and might take offense to it, but they are.

[Unnamed Guest]

They are.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But we don't care. We look we had a great time.

[Jim Jones]

And we know who we are, you dig?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Like, yeah, for sure.

[Jim Jones]

We can never let no electronics get in between the realism. We know it says Staycare, and we know what we're doing, you dig? And I appreciate you for that, because a lot of people would have took everything to offense and like, you heard, but we all. We are, man. I appreciate this opportunity, man. Y' all do have a great show. I cannot take that from you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I appreciate you coming on.

[Jim Jones]

Get this work out of. Come on, Ocean could bring him to Harlem. Let's work on.

[Unnamed Host]

Hey, he not. Hey, he's not as strong as he say, though. He's not as strong.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, there you go.

[Unnamed Host]

He just be talking, you know?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah, you see? Nah. But hey, hey, Jim, real talk, though, man. I appreciate you coming on OO and I, we really appreciate it. We appreciate the time. And I'll never, you know, hey, we have a great time going back and forth, talking about Nas and Jaden, You. You. But, bro, you stand the test of time. You do what you do. You great at what you do. And I appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedule tonight to come on with OO and I and talk about all things. So we. I had a great time. I don't know about oo, but I had a great time.

[Jim Jones]

Hey, listen, listen.

[Unnamed Host]

This is. This was iconic tonight. This was iconic. Anytime you got this is. The funny thing about it is people not gonna understand what y'.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

All. You gonna be trending, Jim. You know, we gonna be a story in the morning.

[Unnamed Host]

This people not gonna understand that. This is what we do.

[Jim Jones]

This is what we do. This is just the culture. This is how we act. Just. This is how we act when we get together like people. This is it. Like it.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah.

[Jim Jones]

Hey, I love y', all, though, man. I appreciate it.

[Unnamed Host]

Hey, this wasn't number the spades game without the cars.

[Jim Jones]

That's all 100. Our whole attitude is spades.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

All day, all the time.

[Jim Jones]

All the time, bro.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, if I was in Harlem, he's like, okay, let's go find the gym right now. We'll find out what we. What we buy.

[Jim Jones]

100. 100. A hundred percent.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

We stand on that. Hey, but, Jim, hey, man, best of luck on the album. Best of luck on the movie, man. Hey, when you get some free time, stop back. Bye. Bye.

[Jim Jones]

I will.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I appreciate that, bro. All love.

[Unnamed Host]

You know, my leg.

[Jim Jones]

Hey.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey.

[Unnamed Host]

That was. That was awesome.

[Unnamed Guest]

That.

[Jim Jones]

That was. That was awesome.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Now, you know, everybody gonna say, man, Jim Jones, the shadow shop was going, baby.

[Unnamed Host]

Hey, no, they don't understand it. Any, anybody that say that they don't play spades, they don't play space.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But it's been a while since I've been able to get that out. I've been sitting on there for two months now.

[Jim Jones]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I was just. I would just wait. I would just. I was just waiting on the right time. Won't you just wait on the right time?

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[Jim Jones]

I'm trained to go compete. I'm trained to be like harder. But sometimes that mentality stops you from stopping and smelling the flowers in your own garden. Is it wrong to want more? We migrated.

[Unnamed Host]

Our family migrated here.

[Jim Jones]

I'm like second generation.

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[Greg Rosenthal]

25 years, 25 players before training camp kick starts a new NFL season, NFL Daily is going to look back. It is a special six episode series where myself, Greg Rosenthal and some of the top NFL minds like Kevin Harlan, Mina Kimes and Bill Barnwell make the case for each player. We're taking a look back giving you NFL Daily's top 25 players years of the last 25 years. So who made the list? You know Tom Brady's on it. Where's Patrick Mahomes?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Kansas City.

[Greg Rosenthal]

He's on it. How about Lamar Jackson?

[Jim Jones]

Jackson takes it himself. Look at him dirt back and forth.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, he broke his ankles and he's got a touchdown.

[Greg Rosenthal]

He is houdini you are gonna have to listen. To find out, listen to NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years, starting on June 30 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Timberland got blasted on social media for using a producer's beat and a producer's tag to train his AI platform. Suno Tim previewed a demo record which utilized the beat tag from K Fresh and lyrics from Tik Tok creator. He sought to make a new version of the song, but users quickly noticed they were a bit too similar. They called out the Virginia producer using real music made by human beings to train AI without crediting or paying them. Bun. And I remember, I remember having a conversation with Tim because I had him on the pod and he said he was nervous about this. Bun, do you think about the controversy, what do you think's going on with Tim and this new AI creation?

[Unnamed Guest]

I think for one is uncharted territory. And I think it's still in a very early stages of, of, of the technology. I think it's going to grow over leaps and bounds over the next couple of years because they covered so much ground in the last 10 years with AI technology, you know what I'm saying? AI companies are starting to pop up more and more and they're all billion dollar companies. People are flooding these companies with all kinds of money. I think it's. I think this is a problem.

[Jim Jones]

Problem.

[Unnamed Guest]

I think that we're not thinking about this, what they're doing now.

[Jim Jones]

All.

[Unnamed Guest]

The only way that AI can do these things is if you feed it information. You've got to feed it information. I know on a very small level, an introductory level, there are musicians who are feeding AI machines, their voices, their cadences, their tones, some of them, the way they play instrumentation. And now the AI program can replicate what a rhyme from you would sound like without you having to write it, what chords being played would sound like without you having to play them. You know what I'm saying? That's very dangerous. Here's the real danger, though, Shannon. What I believe we live in a digital world, right? All these, everything digital has what they call watermarks, right? And watermarks are what they use to track the technology as it goes out into the world. So companies can be like, oh, that's what they doing. That's our technology. I bet you we can find it in the code, right? That kind of a thing. I think everybody that's utilizing this stuff right now, I feel like one day Chat GPT can wake up one day and say, everybody that's ever made music using my technology, we own a piece of it. And there's nothing you can say. I don't believe anybody's read the agreement, right? I'm sure if somebody got through these Chat GPT and all these different AI companies agreements, when you agree to utilize the technology or download the app and all of that there, I, I guarantee that they are going to go back, find out everything that was created using their technology, that profited, that was sent out into the world as commerce, and people spent money on it. They gonna come back the same way that older artists are coming back because somebody sampled their music, right? I've created that. You took my creation and manipulated it without paying me. Me, you owe me money. I believe these people are giving this technology out to people for free in the hopes that they utilize it unknowingly, giving these companies a piece of this intellectual property because it's all intellectual property, you know what I'm saying? So I think I, I won't touch it, I won't download it or nothing because not that I'm against it, you know, for recreational use, I guess that's fine if it helps organize things or put things together, you know. However, that I understand. But when we're talking about utilizing this technology to manipulate intellectual properties, bro, we playing the dangerous ass game because somebody could just start feeding AI Timberland's beat structures, you know what I'm saying? They can start utilizing his drum patterns and put that in and make a trembling record without him, you know, and you're opening yourself up, quite frankly, with the way he's doing it to a whole lot of litigation and a whole lot of trouble. Personally, I, I don't think America is the market for that. Japan, China's been doing it for years, you know what I'm saying? But that's a cultural thing. There's. They're so. They socialize different in, in certain countries. So having a relationship with someone that, that. I know this shit sound crazy, but having a relationship with a machine for some people fits their lifestyle a lot better.

[Jim Jones]

Better.

[Unnamed Guest]

It doesn't work like. Because they don't have, they don't have the social graces to go out and meet people and, and commune with people in that way. So this is a healthy, in their minds alternative. But here, no, at some point, we don't want to see somebody get on stage and sing this shit, you know what I'm saying? And you know, it's, it's the it's the allure, right? It's the allure. Like Megan thee stallion is a famous person because men find her attractive, women find her attractive. You know what I'm saying? There's. There's an allure to it. Japan and China has that very strange relationship with technology in that way where they. They don't just make robots. They have relationships with robots and pillows and all of that type of. It's different. I don't think that he can break a star like that because at some point, somebody got to get on the stage page, somebody got to sign an autograph, somebody got to take a picture, you know, And I don't think we want to see a robot and a computer do that to the point of touring today. But you. You know, you never know with this.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hand ten years from now.

[Unnamed Guest]

I'm an analog dude. I come up on eight tracks and. And putting 45s on the record player and all that stuff.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

45 years.

[Unnamed Guest]

I'm not knocking it, but I. I think we don't understand it enough. Enough to utilize it in the way that we trying to utilize it. I think that's the real problem with Tim. So I don't think he's really thinking of the cons. Everybody uses AI for what they think they can make it work for, but nobody's thinking about how this could set back. And Timberland's such a major impactful player in the entertainment industry that that could really. People would follow suit if he became successful. If he and his artist become successful, this will be a thing. It will be a whole thing.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Bun, let me know what you think. Jadakiss is still upset about not making the top five on complex top 50 New York list. If we were to do a top 50 Houston list. Bun. Is Bun gonna be in the top 10?

[Unnamed Guest]

There's an argument today, and I'm gonna tell you why. Because technically I'm from Port Arthur. That's the way that I'm. I've been put in this lexicon. UGK typically is taken out of that conversation for Houston.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Okay?

[Jim Jones]

Taking.

[Unnamed Guest]

Not Texas.

[Jim Jones]

Oh, no.

[Unnamed Guest]

You're gonna have hell trying to be better than that's in Texas. Okay?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

We. So we. Since it's New York, we gonna make it. We gonna make it Texas, then.

[Unnamed Guest]

No, you can't even have that conversation. You can't even have that conversation without me. And I'm not. I'm not. I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but there's a certain style of rapping that didn't even really exist in Houston before I started rapping a certain way. Like being a, being a lyricist wasn't necessarily a requirement, you know what I'm saying? It wasn't necessarily something you had to do to be successful here because it wasn't a demand primary. But I never felt like, I felt like I was already way past my competition here, so I was competing with everybody, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah, there's no way you could. The only way you take me out of it is that it's like, no, but we don't mean you, we don't mean like you and Face or whatever. But if we talking about everybody top five from Texas, man, I gotta watch my mouth on this show. I'm trying to really try to be cool about it. I, I, I honestly don't think there's five people from Houston that can rap better than me that's ever from the state of Texas that's better than me. I give you DLC and Scarface. I give you DLC and Scarface. That's it. Maybe three, two. Maybe recipes. Three, two. But.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, they got, yeah, I'm looking at this list. Yeah, they got, they, they do got, they got Jada. Damn. They got Jada 6. Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

No, they wrong for that. They very wrong for that. And look, I understand, because you have to understand that some of the greatest rappers of all time came from New York.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know what I'm saying?

[Unnamed Guest]

That's where it started is I understand why they would want to honor other people before they honored Jadakiss. You know what I'm saying? I get that. And, but all this shit is relative, right? Because in the earliest days, wasn't nobody harder than ll. There wasn't nobody harder than Rakim then krs, you know, like, these things are subjective. You know what I'm saying? But if somebody that lives in the modern time in New York City is rating New York rappers and they don't put Jadakiss in the. He's top 10, right? If he, I, I can understand people wanting to argue about whether or not he's top five. If you look at the whole scheme, because you gotta, again, you gotta put the Rakims and the Big Daddy Canes and the Coogee raps. You got, you know, all these great.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Man, they got Big Daddy K, man, they got Big Daddy Kane so far down, man, the people don't realize how good Big Daddy Kane was. Big Daddy Kane was, is still like.

[Unnamed Guest]

Man, we are, we sit in all the. Jordan, we argue Jordan and LeBron all over again.

[Jim Jones]

That. That.

[Unnamed Guest]

That's all this is. Different times speak to different. Different sensitivities, you know what I'm saying? And that's how people draw these lists. I can understand him being upset, but. But at the same time, it's all subjective, you know what I'm saying? And when you meet the people that typically make these lists, they aren't legitimately. They're not steeped enough in the culture to really have these conversations with, much less give any validity to that. I don't give these people no weight just because they say they listen to a bunch of music. I listen to a bunch of music. I listen to a bunch of rb, too. I can't. I ain't finishing. Act like I can sing or judge people who can't sing. I can't even hum.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

All right, bud, we better close it out on this. We got our final segment of the day. It's time for Q and A.

[Unnamed Guest]

Okay, here we go. Q and A, Baby.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Joe Bombo's Aplon's Playbook. Bun, this one's for you, Bun. B. When are we going to get a Kendrick. Kendrick, UGK collab?

[Unnamed Guest]

That's a good question. I've not been able to really have a relationship with Kendrick. That's for somebody that I literally have not bumped into. Of all the people in hip hop, I've never bumped into him. But that's not surprising because Kendrick don't really socialize like that outside of, you know, his homeboys in LA and people that he records with. It's not somebody that you'll see at Rolling Loud or Coachella or something like that or. Or at somebody's release party or, you know, a New Jordan release or something like that. He just don't socialize like that, you know what I'm saying? So there's no relationship to even extend the offer. I wouldn't even know how to. I don't got an email or nothing.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Wouldn't even go by.

[Unnamed Guest]

But, I mean, he's amazing. I always want to rap with the best people, you know what I'm saying? So anybody that's considered one of the best, the studio is always open.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hugs. 973 said bun. Do you think they'll bring the comments back?

[Unnamed Guest]

No, but I don't. The wnba, well, they are now. They are looking to bring a WNBA team back to Houston. I know they're thinking of that, but I don't know if they would call that team the Comets. I'm not sure who owns that name in that way. I'M not sure the Rockets ownership, if that's something that transfers from owner to owner or how that works. But, I mean, I think it would be great for the city. I think the city would come all the way out. But you got to understand, if you decide to call a WNBA team the comments, you got to have the best of the best on that team because that's arguably the best legacy ever in WNBA basketball.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, you had Coop, you had Cheryl Swoops, you had Tina Thompson. Oh, y' all were loaded. That's why you won four straight.

[Unnamed Guest]

God bless the recipe. Yeah, we.

[Jim Jones]

We.

[Unnamed Guest]

No, we had. We had that squad. There's never been as dominated team as that team was.4p. Right?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes.

[Unnamed Guest]

Crazy.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

The first one. Fans, New Jersey said, let's bring in Mike Jones from Houston for his Houston opinion. Anyone got his number? Mike is going to come on in the very near future. And guess what? Come back and we'll ask.

[Unnamed Guest]

His number ain't changed. He still got that number.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Kimber Norwood Jr. Said, UNK and Bun B. My question how many Super Bowls would Peyton Manning have if he was quarterback for the Patriots and Tom Brady was the quarterback for the Colts?

[Unnamed Guest]

That's a good question, because you've got to think of the drive that Tom came in with. There's a big difference between getting drafted here at the top and getting drafted at the bottom. Both of those put a fire under you, but for different reasons. And also, I think initially, Peyton might have had a little bit more knowledge of the game and naturally fell into that leadership quality, whereas I don't. You know, Tom was the leader of the locker room, but never the leader of the team. Peyton had power in his early years. Tom gradually gained that power and knew how to utilize it a little bit different. And then he had Belichick, too. Right. And that's a whole different type of discipline. I can't.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

That was a whole different animal. Peyton never had a coach like that, had that kind of control because Peyton really had to control. Peyton ran practice. Peyton ran the two minutes. Peyton ran everything. And so different responsibilities, privileges that Brady was never Brady, you know, like I know Shannon.

[Unnamed Guest]

Different responsibilities create different people.

[Jim Jones]

People.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Absolutely.

[Unnamed Guest]

There's a big difference of what's expected from the big brother than the little brother. You know what I'm saying?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yep. I absolutely know what you're saying.

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[Greg Rosenthal]

Players to grace the gridiron since the year 2000? Introducing NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years Join me, Greg Rosenthal and an all star cast of media personalities including Mina Khan, Steve Wych, Kevin Harlan and more, for a look at football's best since the turn of the century. Listen to NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years starting on June 30th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[Jim Jones]

This is an iHeart podcast.