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Mark Jackson
23, 24.
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Peter Schrager
Hopefully you'll be as supportive, if not more supportive than 25 and beyond. Go follow my media company on all of his platforms. That Shay, Shay Media and my clothing company. That's 84. With 84 being spelled out, we just restocked everything. Use code super bowl for an additional 10% off. We dropped new beanies in every color and we've introduced gift cards available from 25 to $50. It takes the guesswork out of letting someone you love pick something they want. Exactly. You don't get to pick it, they get to pick it. Just hand the gift cards we'll do the shave by La Portier as we close. But Chiefs and Eagle fans, any fans? If you're in New Orleans for the super bowl, check out our super bowl live show. Our VIP meet and greet is officially sold out, but there are still plenty of tickets left for the super bowl big show. It's February 6th in New Orleans at the Mahalia Jackson Theater. Already lined up. We got Coach prime, we got Master P, we got juvie, we got Flavor Flav and we got Deebo, James Harrison all star locked and loaded. They'll be ready to stop by and sit down and chop it up with Ocho and I.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And we got Devo coming like James Harrison.
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Peter Schrager
Yep, yep.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I hope he got security.
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Peter Schrager
Yep, he coming. And we got other lists. We're getting those all lined up for you. Some NFL players past and present. We'll stop by and chop it up with Ocho and I both. Nightcap and Club Shay Shay are both nominated for NAACP Image Awards. Nightcap was nominated outstanding podcast, art, sports and entertainment. Club Shay Shay was nominated outstanding podcast, society and culture. And I was nominated for entertainer of the year. Please go vote for your favorite guys, UNC and Ocho and me personally. The link is pinned into our social bio. Without any further ado, we're now joined by three times Sixth man of the Year. On April 9, 2019, he became the oldest player in NBA history to score 50 points in a game. And he's also the first and only player thus far to score at least 50 points for four different franchises. And he's the newest analyst. He's going to be calling game for NBC next season. The one, the only, Jamal Crawford. Jamal, how you doing, bro?
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Jamal Crawford
I'm good. Thanks for having me, bro. I just, we gotta say you gotta handle that later.
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Peter Schrager
All right? The trade that happened last night, Luka, a superstar beyond superstar, a global superstar in his absolute. He's not even hit his prime yet, Jamal. He's 25 years of age, he's a five time first team all NBA player. And they trade him for Anthony Davis and a first round pick in I think 2029 and Max Christie. And in return, the Lakers get Luka, they get Max Cleaver and they get Marquis Morris who was already, he was on the 2020 Laker team that won the championship. So Lakers receive Luka Maxi Kleber, Marquis Morris. The Mavs get Anthony Davis, Max Christie and a 2029 first round pick. Also, the Jazz received Jalen hood Scarafino, a 2025 second round pick. A 2025 second round pick via the Clippers. Jamal, when you heard this trade, I thought it was bull jive. I thought somebody had gotten hacked. Because ain't no way the Mavs are trading Luka. But lo and behold, it is absolutely true. Luka Doncic is on the move. Anthony Davis is going to the Mavericks. What is your assessment of the trade? Why do you think this trade happened?
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Jamal Crawford
I'm with you. I thought it was. I thought it was me and Guy, the first two. I thought ain't no way Luke was being traded. Like you said, all his accolades, he ain't loose his time yet. And if I'm a young NBA star, I'm not comfortable anywhere. Because if Luke can be traded at this stage of his career, where he's at, where he was going, anybody can be traded. But I said last year on Shaq's podcast, I said, if I'm Olympic, I'm looking at trades every day. And people thought I was crazy. I said, if LeBron is still your best player right now, you got to have better pieces to compliment him. Yes, they wanted the bubble. Yes, the LeBron is still looking like he's LeBron. So with that being said, I got to get PC. I didn't know Luke, who was on the table when they happened, who knew? But they come to la. I got to take that deal. I have to. Because now you're playing for the now and the future, as LeBron says.
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Mark Jackson
You know what?
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Jamal Crawford
I'm going to wear it down. I'm going to hang it up whenever that is. 1, 2, 3, 4. You have a bona fide superstar who has not reached his prime, who other people want to play with. Lupus backs off. So we know he's going to bring the Hollywood lights to go in Hollywood and dank Hollywood on the other side of Dallas. It's a perfect compliment to Kyrie. They obviously are going to make some more move. They didn't trust the fact they were have to be in Luke. Almost $400 million. Whatever's going on behind the scenes is really loud right now because now we're looking like, you know what? How can you train to do like this or how to do stuff that.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
We don't know about, you know? You know, I also. I mean, I'm curious. I'm thinking. I'm thinking ahead a little bit. I'm thinking ahead a little bit. Obviously, it had to be something internally for them to trade such a great pair like that. Like. Like both of you said is not even in his prime. So I'm looking forward to Obviously, the future, because Kyrie can opt out in the summer. And what are the chances of kyrie actually joining LeBron again? I'm assuming LeBron comes back next year as well. And you have luka, Kyrie and LeBron.
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Jamal Crawford
So for me, I think obviously that could have been an election. But con Golly has some type of faith. Like, you know what? I could have easily been moved. Like I'm saying, my contracts up next year, they chose to stick with me. And if you look at how Jason Pierce speaks about car, he's always speaking loyally. He does everything you want. You pairing with ab, that'd be a car. Another win. Kai's back to being a point guard. He's still his fun. He's still doing numbers. He still makes it look angry. You got ad, you got a bunch of money, possibly with other moves to be made. If I'm kind like, you know what? They stuck with me. And also they believed in him when nobody else wanted me to be for multiple years on the contract as well. So you don't forget that type of stuff.
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Mark Jackson
Okay? Okay.
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Peter Schrager
Yeah, I'm looking at it and I've said this. Everybody knows this is not right now. I called, I gave Luka the name Baby Bird because I thought he was that special. He was the closest white player I had ever seen. The Larry Bird everybody knew. Larry Bird was my favorite. But I always questioned. I said he looked like he's out of shape. I said, he looks like he's unconditioned. He looked like he doesn't take his training and his condition seriously, his training seriously. And he has some habits that, you know, if you look at Rick Carlisle, you got Luka. Guys don't normally say, nah, I'm good. And leave a superstar player that's only 22 years of age, Jamal. So there was something. There was some things that was going on that wasn't being talked about. But if you know the game and you see you like something ain't adding up, and then, plus, Luka is scheduled. He was the first player that was going to be able to get the Supermax. Five years, 345 million. So basically $69 million a year, Jamal. If a guy's unconditioned, he doesn't take his training serious, he doesn't take conditioning serious. And there's some other things going around. If I give him 69 million, Jamal, and he might have some power that we need to rustle away from him. And if you hear. Listen to Nico says, he says something about culture. When I hear that Jamal, I don't know about you, but my ears perk up.
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Jamal Crawford
The culture means there's something behind the scenes that he's not happy with. And like we all know, the one question in all the sports in life, period, during the entertainment, are you bailing your problem? And Lucas bailing his problem. So that's why I'm shocked what's happening. Even with all that going on, he's smooth too. He can learn to mature. You can learn to see Kyrie R. Where the professionals are. JP One of the best point guards ever. So that's the shocking journey. Part of it is that he's about 28, 29, about the, you know, leave his spine or whatever. He's still not even in on the spine. And so I will quit. And that's why this is such a shot. Guys like that, they don't get trained. Hey, you gonna deal with this stuff until he figures it out. He can soak him back because he's exactly good. The fact he's 42 all the way to a farm. Oh, he probably.
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Peter Schrager
He's obviously figured out he's 25, Jamal.
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Jamal Crawford
25. I'm sorry, the fact he's 25 still. Listen, 25 and under list. He's still. Yes, he loves look for that too.
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Peter Schrager
So that's three, you know, but here's the thing. Jamal and I tell Ocho this all the time and we talk about it. They'll tolerate you until they can replace you once they got a deal that says, you know what, we can win. Right now I like Kyrie and AD in the pick and roll. AD has never really had a guy this, this dynamic in the pick and roll. Rondo. And you remember when he had Rondo in New Orleans. The numbers that AD put up is a very similar point guard, point guard in the pick and roll. But for them to trade a 25 year old, that's five times first team, all NBA. It tells me everything I need to know. I don't need to hear nothing else. They can say this or they can say that, but you know, it had to be bad, Jamal, because everything that you said is absolutely true. Because you say, you know what, his production is better than his problems. But they say, no, hell, it ain't. His problems supersede his production.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I have a question. You know, both of you could probably answer it better than I can. Obviously I don't really understand how or the intricacies on why he's not eligible for the 5 year 345 supermax. Now just.
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Peter Schrager
He got Traded.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So simply because he got traded, it's in the contract letting you know once you get traded somewhere else, you're no longer eligible for that.
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Peter Schrager
Regardless, you can only get a four year deal because he was, he was almost like a bird, almost a bird situation. That was the team that drafted him. He had been this many times the first team all the NBA player. So therefore Allah, Jayson Tatum, Allah, jb. So guys that have been there for a particular. What is it? What is it? Like five, like five what? Five, six years, Jamal. And then you a first team, all NBA. You have to be a first team. You have to be one of the all NBA selections.
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Jamal Crawford
Like the last year or two. Sanguine team.
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Peter Schrager
Yes. So he's done that. So he was eligible five years. 345. So think about that. He would have been eligible to get another contract that was probably going to be north of 400 million at the age of 30.
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Jamal Crawford
Oh, I think you answered it right there. I think that was an aha moment. I think that's for me. I think they were more skilled if they gave him that money and they knew they couldn't do nothing with him at that point. He runs the organization totally versus right now. Like you know what, let's cut a loss if we see where this is going. And I think that might be part of it.
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Peter Schrager
And they've. Because here's the thing, Jamal. They believe that a lot of these injuries, these knickknack injuries is because of his condition. It's because of his training, it's because of his diet, it's because of a lot of things behind the scenes. We say this with Joel Embiid, we say this with Zion Williamson. Not to say injuries don't happen, but I believe the Mavericks believed a lot of these injuries are self induced. You're not taking care of your body. It's being reported at one point he weighed 270. 265, whatever the case may be. But Jamal, you know this. You played this game damn near two days. You played it two decades. When somebody moves a player like this, we've never seen it.
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Jamal Crawford
We never seen it.
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Peter Schrager
That would have been like they moving Magic Johnson in his prime, them moving Larry Bird, Michael Jordan in their prime. 25 year olds don't get moved unless the behavior is so egregious. They say we just can't control it.
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Jamal Crawford
Go ahead. Okay.
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Mark Jackson
Ma.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yo, yo. Your eyes and your ears are still. Even if you're not playing, your eyes and ears are still with the NBA. Do you Know, have you heard anything what the issue might be, where this. Where it. Where it came to a head where they just had to get rid of them.
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Jamal Crawford
I mean, let's just take a step back and think about what they want to define, right? Lucas having celebrations be with my Kundigar. I got so quick. So you can't speculate that there had to be stuff behind the scenes that was just like, you know what? He's not changing what we want him to be. And if we've been this contract, it may be worse at this point. So sometimes the best way to see a person is not look, because if you look, they're gonna be on their best behavior. So sometimes you guys say, let me see how you move with that. Let me see if you got a check now, at least with anybody, right? Let me see if they be diligent with the professional move. When you watching that just as much as you watching the talent there. But going back to how this happened so fast, let's go back and think a little bit. Nico Harrison was Kobe's back with N. Robin was Kobe's agent. So, you know, they had a friendship and relationship and all type of conversations they have. So that's why I'm like, and not.
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Peter Schrager
Get out and not get out and. But here's the thing. This is what we know. Young athletes that hurt become old athletes to get hurt. And the worst thing you can have is an old guy that's got. You owe him 200 million, you owe 300 million. Because I just read a thing the other day where they said, Joel EMBIID has made 125 million for the Games that he's missed. You want that on Luke. You want that. You want Luca salary 345 million, and here he is. And they believe that those injuries, a lot of those have been exacerbated by his condition. And you remember he was nursing a knee injury last year in the game, in the championship game. I mean, excuse me, in the NBA Finals. And leading up to the Finals, we like, well, how long can he go on that? Look, so now you hear culture, you hear. You see a guy that has no interest in playing any level of defense. Not at all.
- [20:30]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Some got to give way. You know, everybody's going to have flaws. When you think about NBA players, hell, even NFL players, everybody has their strengths. His strengths and his identity is on the offensive side of the ball. So you know what you don't get from the defensive side of the end. But he's so great at what he does offensively. Hell, you, you got, you got, you got to take that.
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- [24:31]
Jamal Crawford
So how do you like this?
- [24:33]
Peter Schrager
You watch select as close as anybody.
- [24:35]
Jamal Crawford
How do you like the fit? How do you like it now?
- [24:38]
Peter Schrager
I just don't. Here's the thing. LeBron is at the age he can't play consistent defense. Luca doesn't play any defense. You traded your two best defenders, your wing defenders, Max Christie on ball and ad. Your health defender on ball, can defend one through five is tremendous in the pick a roll. He's great at weak side help. Look, you got guys that can score, but who can they stop? I mean, look, I understand this is what the Lakers and I and I've studied the Lakers and I know the Lakers. This is what the Lakers do. They got Wilt because they love superstars in la. You gotta have them.
- [25:13]
Jamal Crawford
You gotta have em.
- [25:14]
Peter Schrager
You cannot get them. You cannot survive as the Lakers without superstars. So they go get. They go get Wilt and then they follow that up with Kareem and they go get Shaq and they go get LeBron. And now they go get and they go get Luka. You gotta have that. If you're gonna be la, if you're gonna be the Lakers, you look at the Dodgers, that's what they do. You see Shohei, you see Mookie. That's what they do. In order for you to survive out here. That's why they wouldn't trade it for Matthew Stafford. Ocho, you gotta have a star, you gotta have stars. Aaron, Donald, you gotta have stars to survive out here if you wanna win, because there's too much going on in la. We got beaches, we got samo, we got rooftops. You got so much going on. And if you don't win, they not coming to see you. But I'm telling you, I don't care. See, that's the notion that people make, Jamal. And you know this. A lot of times people say, well, as long as I'm doing my job, you shouldn't care about. No, no, no, no, no. It doesn't work like that. Because see, your job is being a professional. That's your job. How you conduct yourself while you doing your job, that's called being a pro. And say, we don't like the pro. We love the professional. Because he's given us 29, 32, 34, 9 and 9, we know what he can do. But that pro eventually will catch up with us. His behavior and the way he does things that say, nah, we've got to nip this in the bud. We got to break his plate at 25 because he's going to become un bro. We let him get two years into 60, $70 million contract. Hey, that joker might come in. Hey, he might come into the game drinking a bit. He might come to the and smoking on hookah. Cause we know Luka love his hookah. Now Jamal, he love his hookah. And when you sit back and look at it, Rick Carlisle left, he refused a contract extension. He had Luka at 22, 23. What don't you know would walk away from LeBron, walk away from Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, that's what Lucas a comparison is. I'm not saying he's not won a championship, he won an mvp, but that's what he is in today's terms. Ain't no coach walking away from that. Coaches might get fired, but coaches, because they know how hard it is to get one of those guys. Those guys, those guys like Luka, they don't come out in the draft every year. A LeBron, a magic of Bird, they don't come. So if I get one, I will keep this joke as long as I can. As long as they'll have me, I'll stay.
- [27:51]
Jamal Crawford
And that's why this is so shocking. Like we have never ever seen this and, and it's so open ended and it was so shocking. All we can do is speculate we don't wish nothing bad on nobody, but we gotta figure it out, right? Like, that's our job, to figure it out and educate people or give them a little bit of insight on why this happened. Who knows if it's, you know, how they feel, his body will be in fine. Like, all that stuff plays a part. But what's going to happen is where he's going and where Anthony Davis is going and how changes we gonna see in the next year or two, how things lined up and we'll have our ants in the future.
- [28:23]
Peter Schrager
I also think. I think now he just lost $117 million on Joe, basically. One year. It cost him 117. It cost him 117 million. Now, if that don't get your attention, it should have your undivided attention. Now, I don't know where y'all. Who. Who makes $117 million a year? Maybe some CEOs, maybe Cristiano Ronaldo, maybe Mbappe, maybe some of them. But ain't a whole lot of players making 117 million in salary.
- [28:56]
Jamal Crawford
Taxes.
- [28:58]
Peter Schrager
Now, you got. Just think about. You could have been. You could have been in Texas. No state income tax. Yeah, it's 13 and a half percent in California. I don't know if you notice anything. So 40 million, they gonna take 13 and a half percent. That's 10. So they gonna take 4 million, the north three. So they gonna take about 6 million from you right there. Ocho on 40.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Listen, let's say he missed out on 117, right? Whatever. Whatever you miss out on. Let's say he gets himself together, gets on the right track. Is it still the possibility he can recoup that money on the back end in the next deal?
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Peter Schrager
It all depends. Hold up. He's a big enough superstar that he can have deals outside because he projects. That's one thing. He projects globally. So, yeah, he can make that money, but you can't make up what you miss. It's kind of like tying because. Yeah. Let's just say, for the sake of marketing, Ocho, he signs this deal with the Lakers. So 117. Minus 140. 345. So he gets against.
- [30:03]
Jamal Crawford
228. Yeah.
- [30:05]
Peter Schrager
228.
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Jamal Crawford
228.
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Peter Schrager
Cup money, but just say same. Hey, Jamal, you remember when Boogie. Boogie missed out on what, 200 million. Yeah, by getting traded to. By getting traded to the Pelicans. And then he gets injured. Never saw a payday again. See, that's the thing. O. You see, we're under the Assumption, and we hope we knock on wood, that nothing happens. But when you continuously overweight, you put stress on your body. Your body ain't used to that. Your body ain't used to being. Trying to go up and down that corner on a nightly basis. Jamal, you know, at least two nights a week, sometimes three nights a week when you meant to be 220, all of a sudden you trying to play at 260. Something gotta give, Ocho. Something gotta give.
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Jamal Crawford
Yeah. And that's why, okay, you got a.
- [30:52]
Peter Schrager
Ferrari and you keep hauling logs on top of it. And you see what happened to it.
- [30:57]
Jamal Crawford
That's like OJ Talking about he gonna play me when I wanted to drink the Coke. You can't play.
- [31:04]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That. I would go on 5 for 180 on McDonald's and cheeseburgers and fries and the Coke. So, you know, having to deal with you at my age with this skill set with never having any injuries, that's easy work.
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Jamal Crawford
Now you see you was doing it at 25.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Listen, this is a number. The number they. The man created that for him.
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Jamal Crawford
I know, AJ Nothing but a number. I know that.
- [31:27]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Whenever you're ready, I'm here. That's all they got to say.
- [31:30]
Jamal Crawford
You seen that cool working on me.
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Peter Schrager
Let me ask you a question, Jamal. Who do you think won the trade?
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Jamal Crawford
I think Dallas is on the immediate future. The immediate. Currently, I think the Lakers want the future. And the reason being is maybe let's help you, but. And as you know, like we've seen sometimes when he's standing his fault and he's played the games over the last few years, but he's gonna have a different workload now. Like you said, he's gonna be involved in picking rolls a lot with Kyrie Luca. That's a great transition from LeBron to Luka as a future superstar. Whenever LeBron side, he's had enough because you gotta have Alma. So I think Ghost has wanted. And just so, so weird, the weirdness of him with everything. Because I just. Who would have guessed it? Could you imagine doing some training on there or get between Joe. It was just as shocking. That's why I said, don't say something more. I think there's gonna be one. Not at that level. I think it's gonna be a shocking fight to happen over this next time period. I promise you. I think something's coming.
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Peter Schrager
And if you look at what Minnesota gave up to get Rudy Gobert.
- [32:34]
Jamal Crawford
Yeah.
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Peter Schrager
Dallas didn't want but one first round pick. I say give me 27, give me 29. I want a pick swap in between and. And give me what you gave me.
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Jamal Crawford
Yeah. Yes. That's how I gotta be. Because this dude is big generation Luke is so good at basketball. Luke was figured out the band a long time ago. When he's playing the time he know he's playing against huge playing against your coach. Him and Jekyll got that quality LeBron as well. Oh, you know this I got you on that I want you to do coach. Okay. I'm exposed him over there like he's one of those dudes the games he I've always sudden he plays like he got headphones on. Like he listen to character. He's so at peace with his game. That is crazy. But that we don't see.
- [33:15]
Peter Schrager
I can't wait to see it three times. Six man of the year. The oldest man in NBA history to have a 50 point game. The only man in NBA history to have 50, at least 50 with four different franchises. The one, the only, Jamal Crawford. Good luck next year in calling games on NBC. Jamal, congratulations. Job well done. Hey, really appreciate you stopping by to drop offer some insight into this big trade.
- [33:39]
Mark Jackson
Appreciate y'all.
- [33:40]
Jamal Crawford
Thank you. I give a shout out to my guy. We really bro. Appreciate y'all. Yeah, thank you.
- [33:48]
Peter Schrager
Now we're joined by former NBA rookie of the year all star, former warriors head coach Mark Jackson. Mark, talk to us, bro. How you doing? Everybody's great, bro. We cannot, we cannot complain, huh?
- [34:05]
Mark Jackson
Huh?
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Peter Schrager
Hey, turn your camera on, Mark.
- [34:11]
Mark Jackson
Trying to see how I do it.
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Peter Schrager
You try to pull a shadow Sharp audio.
- [34:22]
Mark Jackson
There you go.
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Peter Schrager
Coach.
- [34:25]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What's up, Coach?
- [34:26]
Mark Jackson
What's going on, man? You good?
- [34:27]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What's up? What's up baby?
- [34:28]
Mark Jackson
You good, Y'all killing it, man. Happy profit, y'all.
- [34:32]
Peter Schrager
Appreciate it. Mark. Mark, let's get into this trade, bro. It came out of nowhere. Normally trades like this, it had to be a special type of relationship because you had to sit on it because prior to it dropping, there was no win ad getting traded. Nothing about Luka getting traded. And then boom. You're trading a 25 year old five time first team all NBA player that haven't even reached his prime yet for Anthony Davis, a first round pick and Max Christie. Talk to us about the trade. You coached this game, you played this game. Talk to us. How does a deal like this.
- [35:08]
Mark Jackson
But we don't know the truth of everything. That's first and foremost. This is an incredible deal that was pulled off by Dallas Mavericks and the Los Angeles Lakers, primarily Nico Harrison and Rob Pelinka. It is in my time of playing basketball, following basketball, coaching basketball, it is the most shocking trade pulled off without anybody leaking it, not anybody knowing anything about it. And then everybody that got wind of it thought it was a fluke. We thought it was a fluke. I got 10 phone calls, I did too in a minute span saying this can't be real. Can you, can you confirm it? I'm like, I don't know, I can't confirm it or not. It's, it's shocking. Like you said, a 25 year old guy, five time first team, all NBA generational talent. One thing I would have done if I was Nico Harrison and Dallas Mavericks, I'm not minimizing it to Los Angeles Lakers and that one phone call. I am opening up the bidding for Luka Doncic, letting everybody know everybody's well aware of what he brings to the table. I got him assured. Now the best deal may be Anthony Davis and the deal they got from the Lakers. I doubt it. At least I would have made sure the Lakers sent me both of their first round picks in. But, but at the end of the day, you can't underestimate. He got a, he got a elite first ballot hall of Famer in Anthony Davis whose only concern is staying healthy when he's on the floor. He's a dominant basketball player and I believe it helps both teams. The Lakers do continue to add by adding a big, both teams have a legitimate chance of winning it all. The Lakers because they have two guys that can control a basketball game at all times on the offensive end. Dallas Mavericks because they have a legit big man that prefers from his own words to play the power forward position now has two young, athletic, energetic bigs to protect him. And then you have a guy like Kyrie Irving who's a special, special generational talent in his own right that can do some similar things as Luka and can carry them on the offensive end, creating offense for himself and his teammates. Heck of my former lead assistant Pete Myers who played for the Chicago Bulls, the brilliant basketball mindset. A Hall of Fame general manager once said to him, do not make a trade that can cost you your job. And that's what Nico Harrison did. But I give him credit because so many guys willing to just cruise along, I can win 20 games, 30 games, I could go to the lottery time and time. I could be bad and I got an excuse. He swung for the fences in the only gamble I think he gave up a home run talent. But Anthony Davis has got to stay healthy and they'll be Good for, you know, the foreseeable future.
- [37:46]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, coach, listen. For someone who played the game for a long time, for someone who coached the game as well as a coach, and you think about it, I just want you to put your GM hat on for a quick minute. What can a player do to the magnitude and where it's that egregious till you trade somebody that young that's that spectacular and brings that much to a team, especially from an officer standpoint, you got to talk to me. Just give, just give me some, give me some type of better context or context on what could a player do behind the scenes that can warrant such a trade for someone so good?
- [38:23]
Mark Jackson
That's what makes it shocking to me. And I think that's a great question. And what I don't like is all of a sudden stuff come out that didn't come out all along. So let's, let's be fair to him. But at the end of the day, the things we know about, he could be a better conditioned athlete. He can be better committed on the defensive end. You can have a better competitive fight and spirit defensively. Not every fifth possession, every tenth possession, I could show you 50 clips of Luka Doncic more than capable of defending and having game plan discipline on a defensive end of the floor. That can show you 200 clips. But he lays down points, the finger and blame somebody else. I would say to my ownership or my management that's interested in trading for Luca, trading Luka Dodge because of those reasons, I would tell him personally, that's on me. He's been in this league six years. I got to do a better job of bringing that out of him and holding him accountable, Defending at a high level, competing at a high level, being a better leader. And that, that would be on me. Go ahead.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I'm confused. Now. You think about what Luka is able to do from the offensive standpoint, right? And one of the gripes, one of the issues that he may have is his lack of ability to play defense. But if he is a little bit better on defense, coach, wouldn't that take away from his offensive production?
- [39:43]
Mark Jackson
That sounds like a receiver that didn't want to block. When it wasn't his, when it wasn't.
- [39:46]
Peter Schrager
His chat that was talking about Jack.
- [39:49]
Mark Jackson
That was going to talk about Jack. Just because you're not going to you on this plate doesn't give you a license to chill. You still have the responsibility and my job as a coach is to hold you accountable to that. Because it's not about you. It's about us and other guys are watching. If I allow you to do that, and because they're rolling one day, I allow them to do that. I'm not saying I'm holding you to the same standard. I like that. In the ideal world, we all have kids and that's not how it works. But I'm going to hold you to a standard. But I will not accept in losing. I'm not going to. But I will not accept in winning, I'm not going to accept losing. I gotta say to you, I gotta say.
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Peter Schrager
Oh, you. Have you heard that before?
- [40:25]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, I heard it.
- [40:26]
Peter Schrager
Where have you heard that?
- [40:27]
Mark Jackson
Say, I heard it because guys are watching. I can't. I can't now yell at you because. No, I've been doing this for 2020. I've been doing this for five years now you got a problem with it?
- [40:37]
Peter Schrager
See, you never accept anything. Hey, you never accept anything. In a win, you wouldn't have lost. But here's the thing, okay, Jack, you said it's your job to hold him accountable for a little bit more for the defensive end. Are you holding yourself accountable for his unconditioned, his training, his eating?
- [40:55]
Mark Jackson
Absolutely. Guess what? I gotta go see him in the off season. I gotta take a flight and go spend some time with him. I gotta send one of my assistants on my player development coaches. Go spend some time with him. I gotta send a chef with him. I'm gonna put you in a position to be successful. I don't want you to just chase down being a five time old NBA team player, player or generational talent. I want you to have the jewelry. At the end of the day, I want you to be in that special room with those special guys that you deserve to be in. I'm just being there with just all everybody else. You should. He should. He's good enough and great enough to be in a room by with just a handful of guys. He's that special. The talent. And I'm cheating him if I fall short of holding him accountable and putting him in position to take away those.
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Peter Schrager
Those critics reject. Right, Jack, you can't. I tell my kids this. I can't want something from you more than you want it for yourself. And you got kids and you know, they've got to want it for themselves as much as you want it for them. If Luka doesn't want. What you want for him is not going to work. It just won't. It just won't.
- [41:58]
Mark Jackson
That's true. But he is so special and so great. You can't convince me he don't want it. You just can't. He's so special and so great. You average a 40 point triple double in the playoffs. You are the best player in the Eastern Conference. I mean the Western Conference finals. You're the best player in the. He is a special, special talent. I'm not asking him and I'm going to tell him. I'm going to push the right button. I'm not asking you something that I believe you can't do. I'm not asking you to protect the rim and block shots. I'm not asking you to be a lot lockdown defender. I'm not asking you to be £200. Let's, let's meet somewhere in the middle where now it's acceptable. I'm not asking you. I just don't want you to point the finger to a guy wide open in the corner and you just stand there and you know that's your man and that's your responsibility. Everybody in the arena knows that's your fault. That should burn. That should upset you. I'm not saying it hasn't happened to me in 17 years of playing professional basketball. And in all these years of playing basketball, I got exposed at times on the defense, man, but I got upset about it and I reacted to it and responded to it and held myself accountable.
- [43:03]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Listen, one more question, one more question. I'm thinking about the mental part of it, right? The mental part. As far as Luke is concerned, how is he going to react? How is he going to. Is the trade. This is a wake up call. Is he gonna fold? Now two things can happen. Most of the time you think your player, you're sitting on top of the world. You feel like you're invincible, you're making good money, you're one of the best players in the NBA and all of a sudden you get that call, oh, yeah, you've been traded to the Los Angeles lake. Now what, Luka are we gonna get from this point going forward? Are we getting the pissed off Luka or we getting a Luka that's gonna fold under the pressure?
- [43:38]
Mark Jackson
We don't know that Luka, that you're talking about falling under pressure. All he's done in six years is be great, be a generational talent. He's been special.
- [43:47]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What just happened, coach, he got traded. Exactly. Now getting traded can do something to your mental.
- [43:52]
Mark Jackson
Now it can do something to your mental.
- [43:54]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I'm talking about the different kind of pressure, pressure plan and being comfortable in Dallas. Knowing you, that guy, it's Different.
- [44:00]
Mark Jackson
I agree with you with certain dudes, but this, I don't care where you put Tom Brady. He's Tom Brady in New England, he's Tom Brady in Tampa Bay. Luka Doncic, we're not going to cheat his talent and his level of greatness. He's a special talent. I believe it'll elevate him conditionally wise and to fight defensively because he's got a guy in the locker room that's a hero of him that he looks up to. And LeBron James certainly has his flaws at times, but one thing he does is take care of him body and he's an all time great. He's a special talent that if you just hang around, you've got testimonies from teammates, coaches, he's going to make you better. And Luka Doncic will be a better conditioned athlete and a better defender. Competitively speaking because of, because of being around LeBron James. That's one thing LeBron James will bring to the table without a doubt.
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Peter Schrager
But you know what, Jack? I had a guy to tell me one time, he said they'll tolerate you until they can replace you profession. Luka is a professional basketball player. It seems to me Nico Harrison had a problem with him being a pro, which was how he conducted himself in being a professional basketball player. You don't. It had to get to a point. Mark, you know this having played. Mark, you played what, 17 years, you played 17 years, you coached in this league. In order for you to trade a generational talent, because we've never seen it happen before at 25, the behavior behind the scenes, it had to be. There's no other way around it, Jack.
- [45:39]
Mark Jackson
There's no other way. That 25 year old generational talent we've never seen before, unless he asked to be trained, that's a different ballgame. This guy didn't ask to be trained. He said he wanted to spend his life on the draft. So there is clearly something that made them pull the trigger and make the trade and pick up the phone and call Los Angeles. I don't know what it is that'll come out at some point, but it's. But it definitely is something.
- [46:03]
Peter Schrager
If it don't come out to watch, it'll come out too great of a.
- [46:06]
Mark Jackson
Player that you just decided to pick up the phone. No, I can handle the. Think about it. With his lack of defensive intensity for 48 minutes and it's lack conditioning overall, the dude was still a five time first team all NBA player in six years. So yep, I'm gonna live with, I'm gonna live with some of that and try to make them better. I'm not just gonna pick up the phone on a random day and call the Los Angeles so it's something that pushed the button to make them make this call.
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Mark Jackson
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Mark Jackson
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Mark Jackson
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- [50:11]
Mark Jackson
Oh, I can do it. And you would do it too. The guy, the top five player in the world, no question about his ability. The thing I got a problem with is we compare them. Joel Embiid and Zion Williamson, two guys that have a tough time staying on the floor. That's not Lucas issue. He plays her, he plays hobbles 100%. Doesn't take care of his body. The best condition. Physically. He doesn't come in shape and camp, but he plays, he loves to play. Those other two guys have missed a substantial amount of games. I think culture is the conditioning. It's how we act on the bus, it's how we act on the plane, it's how we act in the locker room. We don't know that story. I'll give you an example. Jimmy Bonnell report come out. Jimmy Butler had the plane waiting for an hour while everybody wait for him. Are you kidding me? That's not on Jimmy Butler. That's on me. I'm not waiting an hour from nobody.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That's what happened.
- [51:10]
Mark Jackson
Reporting the plane is taking off. We're leaving. Jimmy Butler wait for Jimmy Butler and you're setting yourself up for disaster. You're setting yourself up for a culture that, that allows that. No, we're going to set the tone right away. We're leaving this guy and if he shows up to the game, he shows the game, we'll handle it then. But I don't.
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Peter Schrager
Well, what kind of president are you sitting with, Luca? When you know he's out of shape, when you know he's not conditioning properly, when you know he's not training properly.
- [51:40]
Mark Jackson
Dude is averaging 30 and 9. He's the best player on the floor every night. So you got to find other, other ways to push the button to get in the response. You gotta, you gotta pull them in the office by yourself and talk to him. You gotta pull them in office with Kyrie Irving. You gotta pull them in office with the gm. You gotta pull him in office with ownership, bring in some form of greats, bring in Dirk McVisty. Whatever trick you gotta do to push the button, Dirk down. Whatever trick, I don't know. He sees Dirk every time you gotta do to push the button. Your job. My job is to find that button and push it. Because he is great and he's an all time great. But I want to put him in that special room that he deserves to be in. I'm not like this. This guy had to talk up to be great when he walked into this league. He was great. You don't have to hype him up and talk him up. He's great from day one. So now let's get you into that special room and it's something that you deserve. You're cheating yourself. Forget about me. You're cheating yourself if you don't put yourself in the best possible position to get there.
- [52:39]
Peter Schrager
Does he want to be in that room? You want him in that room? Does he want to be in there? Because if he wanted to be in there, Jack, all the grace that you mentioned, that's in the handful of guys, did any coach had to hold their hand? Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, Bird, Magic, Kareem. Give me some more. Elijah 1. The guy, the handful of guys that's in that room, did they have to be hand spoon things? Hey, do you think.
- [53:03]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, hey, Jack, you think the culture and where he comes from is a little bit different as opposed to all the guys that un just named and their approach to the game of basketball? Maybe that might be the issue.
- [53:14]
Mark Jackson
That might have something to do with. But the dude was a pro at 13 years old. Pro. He's been a pro since he's been 13 years old. He's a special talent. And I agree with you with those guys that you name. But there's some guys, I don't have them off the top of my head, but some guys had to be pushed along. Some guys, some guys didn't love basketball and they're in that special role. Tim Duncan didn't touch the basketball until he got into high school. I believe his junior year he was a swim dude. He was an elite swimmer. Is great enough to get in that room and I believe he's going to get there. And I believe putting on purple and gold and having a new challenge in his life is going to get him there. But he also has to have coaches, management, ownership, leadership in that locker room that holds McCallum and has the same voice as the people that's trying to pour into his life instead of high fiving him and hugging him and giving him that when he won a ball game. Let's talk about you won the game, but how about the defensive stock that you gave up on it almost cost us the game so we can have that conversation too. Got to surround himself with people that are not yes men but hold them accountable and push buttons and inspire him to want it as bad as we want.
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Peter Schrager
Short, long term. Who do you believe won the trade short, long term? I love, I love AD to the Mavs. Kyrie in the pick and roll. Great help defender can defend one through five. Tremendous in the pick and roll. Can help with weak side defense. The Lakers got a little lax on defense. LeBron can't sit in the chair anymore at 40. Luca, we talked about that. Doesn't really want to play Austin Reeves. People attack him because they can. The Lakers got substantially weaker on the defensive end.
- [54:49]
Mark Jackson
They set themselves up for the next 10 years though. We can't take that away from them. I think both teams are in position to win a championship. You're the Lakers. Your next move is your best move. They got to find a big to clean up some of the mess and protect the weakness that they have on the defensive side of the floor. Protect the rim, play the pick and roll, hold the fort down a little bit as dribble penetration affects you.
- [55:12]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right?
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Mark Jackson
And I like what the Dallas I think both teams have helped themselves because I can't understand how great Anthony Davis is. And clearly I already raved enough about Luke the doctor. It's going to be interesting to see how this thing all plays out. And I think the Lakers cannot be judged on just winning a championship but not winning a championship. This year they got a generational talent which is hard to find that puts them in position for after LeBron James leaves.
- [55:41]
Peter Schrager
But let me ask you a question. Let's just say now I'm hoping, hey, you know, I root for the Lakers. I'm hoping Luke is like, man, I just cost myself $117 million. Everybody believes I can be special. I am special. Let me do what it takes in order to be in that room that Mark Jackson keeps talking around. There's only a handful of guys in there. There are only a handful of guys that deserve to be mentioned of being in there. There are some, I mean, some guys can peep in the room, but there's some guys that's sitting at the table in the room.
- [56:12]
Mark Jackson
Yes.
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Peter Schrager
Let me, let me, let me get on my conditioning. Let me hire me a chef. Look, I'm not saying, whatever. What, hey, I'm not saying Michael Jordan smokes more cigars than anybody and stand up with that damn bust and bust them up. Mark, some guys drink, some guys can do that. But the one thing you know about MJ, he came in in shape. LeBron loves his wine and AKA gets a cigar. But you know, he don't cheat the process. And the one thing about those guys that are in that room, they didn't cheat the process. You right. Tim Duncan didn't play basketball until high school. But Pac, he was coaching. Pac got on him to coach everybody else. Tim Duncan, when he stepped on that floor, you know what you're going to get. But you also knew he was a pro off the court. He was going to come in in shape, he was going to be conditioned and he was going to be ready to go. And he didn't have no ticky tack injuries.
- [57:06]
Mark Jackson
It points the finger directly to the player. They got to want it. And I believe that he's going to be in that room because his talent tells me that he's going to be in that room. I believe he wants it. I believe this situation will enhance his desire to prove people wrong. And I believe that if you are a general manager, ownership or coach or superstar player playing alongside of him, you also have a responsibility to hold him accountable and to deliver the message to him when he's falling short from that. And I believe he's got to be able to be man enough, empower those people to do exactly that. Because at the end of the day, I know they want what's best for me, if they want what's best for me, and it's going to be what's best for this team. And ultimately I'm going to be in that room. What he doesn't want to do is what you talk about. Put his head peeking in that room and then he get bushed out of there. No, he deserves to be in that room comfortably because his talent tells us that.
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Peter Schrager
Let's Talk about the other trade that happened today. De'aon Fox going to the San Antonio Spurs, Zach Lavine going to the Sacramento Kings. It seems now, it seems now guys will sign that first extension, get that guaranteed money, and then after that they're on the hunt. You see Defox, he's on his way to San Antonio. He wants to play with Wemby. Nice squad. There you see Zach Lavine. Zach has been reports that Zach lavine has wanted to get out of Chicago for an extended period of time. He's reunited with DeMar DeRozan in Sacramento. You have to like Sacramento with Malik Monk, Demar DeRozan, Zach Levine, Demonte Sabonis, they got a nice squad. Keegan Murray, they got a nice squad.
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Mark Jackson
What I like about Sacramento is Aaron Fox obviously displayed his willingness to be traded. He let his feelings be known and they made a trade. But they didn't surrender this season. They went and got a guy that can help them immediately and a 25 point scorer in Zach Levine. That's proven. That's combo playing alongside of DeMar DeRozan. So they have permitted play. Great versatility, great youth, incredible fan base. Then you have Sabonas, Keegan Murray. They have talent that still should put them in the mix. Playoff time in the Western Conference and still an exciting future moving forward. Whether Zach Levine ops in or ops out, at the end of the year, De'Aaron Fox goes to a situation where he's playing with a generational talent in Wembley, and it fits his skill set where he can be creative on the perimeter playing pick and roll with them. At times be aggressive as a scorer, at times be aggressive as a facilitator. It's an ideal situation. One thing you touched on that I still try to figure out as I spend time by myself today, these dudes are turning down $300 million. Like, give me, give me, give me my money. Give me, give me my money. And we'll figure everything else out. Yes, 3,300 million. I don't care how much you made. This is real money. Go get your money.
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Peter Schrager
Yes.
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Mark Jackson
And then find the right situation. Don't leave it on the. Don't leave money on the table. I played with a guy that gave back $500,000 in order to be a free agent at the end of the year. Never recoup. And that was, that was back in, in 1989, 1990. Never got back that $500,000. You can't make it back. We talking about now two, $300 million? Are you kidding me?
- [60:20]
Peter Schrager
Yeah.
- [60:20]
Mark Jackson
Get Your paper, young fella. I will. And I don't want to underestimate this, because fortunately, I don't know a lot about this, and. And Shannon, you don't know enough a lot about this, but my guy, Chad, 02 Single, knows enough about it. That's losing it can be frustrating at times. I mean, at times, I watch you.
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Peter Schrager
That's what I'm talking about.
- [60:41]
Mark Jackson
And I've seen the frustration. I see. I've seen it running routes and playing for. You know, it was tough at times, and I was thrilled and happy when you got a chance to win and be on the right. On the right situation, you deserved it. So it can be frustrating and wanting to exit at times, but get your money. One thing about my guy, Ultra, he gets it. He got his money, and he keeps his money. I'm watching you.
- [61:08]
Peter Schrager
Let me ask you this. We see these things about Zion, and Zion has had. And they even worded his contract that he has to be a certain weight. He has to have his body percentage down. And we've never seen it. Look, he reminds you of a more explosive Charles Barkley. And Barkley, like, he had Malone, he had those other guys. And he said, Moses Malone, rest his soul, say, Charles, you fat and you lazy. You got two things. You young, you fat and you lazy. You got two things working against you. And Barkley says, you know what he said? Get 10. He got 10 pounds off in like two weeks. And then he got another 10 pounds off in a month. And before you know it, Charles was turning himself into an mvp, one of the better power forwards to ever play the game. We see this with Joel Embiid. When you get a guy Embiid's size and people don't realize this, the bigger you are, the bigger that frame is, the more weight it can hold. Jack, you seven foot two, oh, you could easily be 400, maybe even five. And when you get hurt during the season now, you can't condition. And so guess what? You're still eating, but you're not practicing, you're not playing. And so guess what? You might be 295, 300. Next thing you know, you're 310, you 320, you 330, you 340, you 350. Now you go back out there, you 350, and you try to run up and down that court and you jump up, your knees go out, your feet, your ankles, your hips. What do you say to that, Jack?
- [62:32]
Mark Jackson
Part of it. I blame organizations that allow them to be this way coming in. So I'M trying to be your friend and your boy. And oh, lovey dovey, when you come in, instead of saying, okay, these are the problems that we foresee is what we have to do to put you in position to succeed. From day one. I don't care what your bone structure is, what your body fats. I know what it should be. They co signed a lot of that stuff initially with Zion Williamson saying he was heavy bone and, you know, and he can only get down to a certain amount of weight. No, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's an incredible young man. He's an incredible talent and, and you look at his body now, it's different than when he came in. So he certainly has a desire to get better. I think the biggest, biggest thing for him, you compare him to Charles Barkley and the bodies were similar. But Charles Barkley from day one had a jumper. He was shooting threes back in 87, 88, 89.
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Jamal Crawford
So.
- [63:24]
Mark Jackson
So he was a skilled overweight performer on the basketball floor who had range. Brian Williamson, if you're playing against him, you can dare him to shoot the jumper. Now can he hit it? Yeah, once in a while. And I'm saying this respectively because he's a great player, but he has a flaw that can be exposed on the defensive side of the floor. You're going against him, especially in a playoff series. So he's got to spend time to enhance and perfect that side of the floor and his range because if he puts his head down, he gets anywhere he wants. So now if you add a decent jumper to that, he's a nightmare for anybody who could defend. We're talking about elite players that have, that have opportunity to make their imprint on this game and it should hurt them when they don't because they're not in the best shape they could possibly be in.
- [64:09]
Peter Schrager
I still never understand. Rudy Gobert got traded for four first round picks. Luka Doncic got traded for Anthony Davis in one first round pick. Like, I don't know who did. Hey, Nico Collins must know something.
- [64:22]
Mark Jackson
He don't.
- [64:23]
Peter Schrager
But I'm sure Rob Nico has. Excuse me. Rob Palika says, just imagine if you.
- [64:30]
Mark Jackson
Were sitting at home and got a phone. You're interested in Luca? Heck yeah.
- [64:35]
Peter Schrager
Hell yeah.
- [64:36]
Mark Jackson
So you don't even have to work. You could win executive of the year just because you picked up the phone.
- [64:42]
Peter Schrager
That's crazy. What, what statue? What statue out front you want for Luca? Okay, whatever you need. Hey, Jack. Whatever you need. What you need?
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T-Mobile Representative
Who?
- [64:51]
Jamal Crawford
You?
- [64:51]
Mark Jackson
Who you we talking about, we're talking about a guy that's. Yes. After LeBron. Yeah, 23. LeBron, he's gonna still be playing. I don't care. I don't care how much time you get. LeBron, Luka Dodgers will still be your franchise player when LeBron exits the building.
- [65:04]
Peter Schrager
And that's what you need if you're a Lake, if you're a Lakers, you got to have franchise players. They started with Will, with Kareem Shaq, LeBron and now they got Luka. So they just continue this string of getting elite, multi talented great players to keep this thing for the Lakers going. Jack, we got to get you out here on that one. Thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate your ins, appreciate your insight and talking about this trade and the other trades. Darren Fox going to the Spurs, Zach Levine going to Sacramento Kings. We'll see you down the road.
- [65:33]
Mark Jackson
I appreciate you. All right. Coaching.
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Peter Schrager
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