Nightcap Best of NFL - Part 2: Eagles' Tush Push Survives + Caleb Williams Year 2 Expectations

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Nightcap Best of NFL - Part 2: Eagles' Tush Push Survives + Caleb Williams Year 2 Expectations
Released: May 25, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe
Guests: Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco) and Joe

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1. Introduction

In this engaging episode of "Club Shay Shay," NFL legend Shannon Sharpe joins fellow sports personalities Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco) and Joe to delve into some of the most pressing topics in the NFL. The conversation seamlessly transitions between strategic game plays, team dynamics, and personal anecdotes, providing listeners with a comprehensive look into the current state of the league.

2. Protector of the Year Award

Shannon Sharpe kicks off the discussion by announcing the NFL's new "Protector of the Year" award, which honors the best offensive lineman each season.

Shannon Sharpe [01:46]:
"Protector of the Year recognizes the best offensive lineman each year."

Chad Johnson [02:15]:
"If anything, I would say is that Dion Dawkins."

The trio debates potential winners, highlighting Dion Dawkins and Leon Johnson as standout candidates for their dominance and consistency throughout the season.

3. Cleveland Browns and Franchise Concerns

The conversation shifts to concerns surrounding the Cleveland Browns, particularly focusing on remarks made by Cleveland Mayor Justin Bibbs about the team's future in the city.

Shannon Sharpe [03:13]:
"Cleveland Mayor Justin Bibbs says, I don't care if the Browns leave Cleveland. There are more important priorities than the Cleveland Browns."

Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco) emphasizes the economic and community impact of retaining an NFL franchise, cautioning against disrespecting cities that have previously lost teams.

4. Future of NFL Broadcasting

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson discuss the evolving landscape of NFL broadcasting, speculating on potential moves to streaming giants like Netflix and Amazon.

Shannon Sharpe [04:23]:
"Keep an eye on when these contracts are in 20, 30 years. Don't be surprised if your Sunday football is on Netflix and Amazon."

They express concerns about the NFL's loyalty to traditional broadcasters and the financial implications of such a shift.

5. Personal Fitness and Training Anecdotes

The hosts share personal stories about their fitness routines, reflecting on their days as professional athletes.

Shannon Sharpe [26:12]:
"If I try to get down on the 250, I gotta let them. I gotta let. I can't go over 100 because my ego won't let me stop."

Chad Johnson [28:37]:
"I'm on the grind. Taking my gym session at 6 AM, hitting 130s for you, man."

These anecdotes provide a relatable glimpse into the rigorous training and discipline required to maintain peak physical condition.

6. College Football Playoff Format Changes

A significant portion of the discussion centers on the recent overhaul of the College Football Playoff (CFP) format, moving to a straight 1 through 12 seeding system without automatic bids for conference champions.

Shannon Sharpe [32:33]:
"There'll be no more, if you're a conference champ, that solidifies you to get one of the top four seeds."

Chad Johnson [34:03]:
"I don't like that. Winning conference champ should come with some type of benefit."

While acknowledging the financial logic behind the changes, both express reservations about the potential impact on team incentives and competitive balance.

7. The Tush Push Debate

As highlighted in the episode title, the Tush Push play used by the Philadelphia Eagles remains a hot topic.

Shannon Sharpe [13:12]:
"The Eagles, Ravens, Browns, Lions, Jags, Dolphins, Patriots, Saints, Jets, Titans, every team that didn't vote against the tush push bands."

Chad Johnson [14:45]:
"We're going to find a way to stop it because we can't personally or we just don't have the personnel to stop the tush push."

The hosts dissect the strategic advantages and the ongoing debates regarding the play's legality and impact on the game.

8. Cleveland Browns' Quarterback Room Dynamics

The episode delves into the internal dynamics of the Cleveland Browns' quarterback room, featuring insights from Shadour Sanders.

Shannon Sharpe [44:37]:
"The vibe in the QB room is positive. Everybody's cool outside the room. People try to pit us against each other, but inside the room, we know we're one."

Discussions highlight the competition between seasoned players like Joe Flacco and emerging talents such as Shador Sanders, emphasizing teamwork and mutual respect despite external pressures.

9. Sam LaPorta's Performance

Attention is given to Sam LaPorta, the Browns' tight end, focusing on his reduced targets in his sophomore season and his response to critics.

Shannon Sharpe [49:58]:
"LaPorta defended himself against critics today using too many miles to feed in this argument."

Chad Johnson [52:03]:
"I mean, you can see that from a mile away, but that's expected."

The hosts analyze LaPorta's role in the offense and his importance to the Browns' game plan.

10. Caleb Williams' Year 2 Expectations

Shannon Sharpe wraps up the episode by discussing Caleb Williams, focusing on his second-year performance and adjustments made by his coach, Ben Johnson.

Shannon Sharpe [54:24]:
"Chicago Bears head coach Ben Johnson is already tweaking Caleb Williams' mechanic issues."

The conversation emphasizes the importance of technique adjustments and the potential impact on Williams' future performance.

11. Joe Milton's Cowboys Practice Reports

The episode concludes with reports on Joe Milton's impressive performance during Cowboys practices, highlighting his arm strength and work ethic.

Shannon Sharpe [55:56]:
"Reports surfaced today of Joe Milton dazzling in Cowboys practice."

Chad Johnson [57:03]:
"To be a quarterback is stressing. Playing in pressure situations if you're the starter for that goddamn team that wear the star on his helmet."

The hosts express cautious optimism about Milton's potential, acknowledging that while arm strength is crucial, other factors play significant roles in a quarterback's success.

Notable Quotes

• Shannon Sharpe [03:13]:
  "We're going to find a way to stop the tush push because we can't personally or we just don't have the personnel to stop it."

• Chad Johnson [34:03]:
  "Winning conference champ should come with some type of benefit."

• Shannon Sharpe [54:24]:
  "Caleb Williams' mechanic issues are being tweaked to improve his quick game and throwing posture."

Conclusion

This episode of "Club Shay Shay" offers a deep dive into pivotal NFL topics, from strategic gameplay moves like the Tush Push to the intricacies of team dynamics and player development. Shannon Sharpe, alongside Chad Johnson and Joe, provides insightful analysis and personal perspectives, making it a must-listen for NFL enthusiasts seeking a comprehensive understanding of the league's current landscape.

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Transcript

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

The Volum NFL exec Troy Vincent announces a new End of the Year award. Protector of the Year recognizes the best offensive lineman each year. Credit Dion Dawkins and others for Champion the Cause. Ocho, who do you got winning the first one?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Who do I have winning?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

If anything, I would say is that Deion Dawkins.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

And right title, Right for the Eagle.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm going, I'm going. Trent Williams or. Or Big Lane Johnson.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Okay, Lane Johnson.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tristan Worth might have something to say about that.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Listen, I. I understand it, but I'm saying what Dion Dawkins was able to do. And that goddamn Leon Johnson. Trent Williams missed a few games. We know how great Trent is. I didn't say Trent's name simply because he missed a few games. We know what he can do. But I think from a standpoint of being dominant all season long, man, what Dion Dawkins was able to do and Leon Johnson, two tremendous players. So if there's a protective year this year or this past season, I would go with those two.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Browns fans are upset. Something the mayor said. Cleveland Mayor Justin Bibbs says, I don't care if the Browns leave Cleveland. There are more important priorities than the Cleveland Browns. Yeah, everybody says that until they leave St. Louis. You know, St. Louis said that, too, until they left and Arizona left. Oh, we want another team. And then guess what? The Rams came, and then they left at the city of St. Louis. Would they like to have another NFL franchise?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah. You know what it does for the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The rate Oakland, man, we don't care. They went to la. Come back, come back, come back. They went back. We don't care if y' all leak. Ask Oakland do they want another team.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

If you understand what it does for the economy, having a team, having a franchise in your city, you'll understand. Be careful every.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Careful what you wish for every network. Ocho gave up the NFL. CBS gave it up. NBC gave it up. Abc. Monday Night Football used to come on abc. Remember that? They gave it up.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Remember the theme song.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Lord have mercy. Now look at what they paying Netflix, Amazon. Now, I don't know if y' all noticed, but keep an eye on. When these con. When these are in 20, 30, don't be surprised if your Sunday football is on Netflix and Amazon, they got. The NFL don't care nothing about no loyalty. Now, I understand the NFL's been on CBS for a long period of time. I know these games. I'm telling you, they got hordes of money. Hordes of money.

[Joe]

Top dollar.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, hey, hey. You ever think about that? Can you imagine if we had the kind of money, Joe, like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you mean us had that kind of money? Like, I don't want that kind of money. Like Netflix.

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[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

No, like Amazon. Hey, what if we had money like Jeff Bezos?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ah, no, come on, Ocho, man, y' all.

[Joe]

Y' all wouldn't know how to ask me.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Oh, no, I'm. Listen, Joe, I'm. I'm well off and I'm rich now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boy, you couldn't hit me in the ass with a red apple, you know what I'm saying? Don't you, you gonna give me a quarter of a bill?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, Joe, I don't, I don't really do much and I'm, I'm, I'm good now. I've been good for a long time. I tell you what, yo, so if you get me much, much more than what I have now, I mean, I probably gonna do mean much more. I'm gonna still be gaming. I'm still beating McDonald's.

[Joe]

You probably have a couple more car work.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I tell you what, Savannah State gonna have the best go to have the best HBCU football team. They're gonna have the best band, they're gonna have the best academic program. I guarantee you that. I can't guarantee you a whole lot else, but I guarantee you Savannah State will be the h. Will be the equivalent of Harvard, Yale, Princeton of HBCUs. I can who, whoever, whatever programs that they do have, whatever at Harvard, Princeton and Yale, I'm going to get a.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Matter of fact, I would probably do the same, obviously never having the opportunity to go to fam, but having such a love and enthusiastic passion for the school in general. But uncle, I do the same, huh? I, I would have, I have family looking like a college university. It'd be better than that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Best uniforms, best coaches. Hey. Best food, treatment facilities, amenities.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, I'm going to get Nick Saban. I got 20 million. I got $20 million. Nick Saban Five years, a hundred million dollars. And they got Nick Saban coaching at Savannah State. You're damn right.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, well, hey, I, I, I, I have, I flipped tal down, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm going to get the coach. I'm going to get the coach in Connecticut. I got $12 million of you year for you. Hey, I'm spinning, man. I got 200 billion.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

That's too much, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Please. Glue. Hey, Tattnall. Oh, yeah, we got the best track program, we got the best everything. Oh, absolutely.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

And you know, you know what? I, you know what I would want to do if, if I had Jeff Bezos type money? I would want to own a team. I would want to. You wanna, you want to own one football team? Yeah, like I, I like, I don't want to be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you would have to overpay together.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You know that, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you got that kind of money, so you don't really care.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

But I, I, I can see him.

[Joe]

Doing that at some point. Don't y' all see Jeff Bezos getting, getting a, in a sports franchise?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He had opportunity he could have bought.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

He couldn't let him in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He could have bought the Broncos. He could have bought walls.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

They won't let him in, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't think he really wanted.

[Joe]

He probably. Probably waiting for. For hella.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, what you mean they let the Walton just brought the Broncos? He worth a hundred plus billion.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Ah. Hey, I just, I don't want.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Honestly, Ocho, I don't. I don't want no franchise. I just go like, hey, set the kids up. Hey, this all y' all get. Y' all blow this. Y' all gas. But you're out of gas. I'm sorry, but, man, I'm too charitable. There'll be a lot of kids. There gonna be a lot of kids. Hey, Glynvia High School. Hey, you graduate where you want to go to college? Four years paid for.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, I like that.

[Joe]

You've been thinking about some of this, ain't you? Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, for sure. Already. I already got. I already got that money. They already know how I. After you ask track and field athletes in the world championships, man, I gave about 700,000. Did you? Yeah. Was it Olympics or the world championship? Olympics. Olympics, yeah. Win the gold medal, break a world record. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Oh, don't forget me. I was in on that, too. Now, that's what I'm saying. Hey, yo, you know, we bless him a little bit. We bless him.

[Joe]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Southern. Hey, we went down to Southern. They performed Hook them up. Hook them up. Yeah.

[Joe]

I, I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I'm. I look like I said they. God know what you do. He know not to give me no 200. 200 billion, because he already know.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You know what I think our chances of greater are getting that kind of money are really, really good. Because he knows our heart. He know what we're gonna do with that money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

So I'm going.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm helping everybody. I'm helping people like in the natural disaster like the fires of Hurricane. Oh, yeah. What y' all need?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, hey, Joe, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go play the lotto tomorrow. I'm. I don't. I'm just feeling lucky. If the Indiana Pacers could win a game like that tonight. Down, what, 12, 14 for two minutes on the club.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Playing a lotto, Joe. I'm a hit. I'm a hit and I'm getting me a property.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I tell you what I am gonna do. I'm gonna go to Nashville and I'm gonna buy me a farm, and I'm gonna have me some mini horses, some mini cows, some mini goats.

[Joe]

Hold on, hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why did I go To Houston, because I know I'm gonna be out. I'm gonna be. No, absolutely not. No. It's gonna be trouble, Trouble, trouble, trouble. Yes. I want many horses. I want many cows. I want some mini goats. I want me some dogs. I want me some animals like raccoon, possums. I want pets.

[Joe]

You want some raccoon and possums?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, for pets.

[Joe]

I'm with you with the animals, but the raccoon and possum, Unc, I can't do the raccoon, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I want a raccoon so bad, man.

[Joe]

Hey, let me tell y' all something. When I played the University of Arkansas under Nolan Richardson, he had a farm. He still got a farm. He still live on the same farm. And he had horses, he had Great Danes. And this man has deers that walk around the yard in the house like they. Dogs, deers, deer. Man, I'm 17, 18 years old on his farm, you know, used to throw all these events for. For the team, for the players. Yeah, fight us over. His wife Cook, God rest her soul. She just passed away not long ago, but, man, I've never seen a deer walk up to you and let you pet him and rub him. Look, they all run together, the deers, the Great Danes. He got horses. He had four wheelers. He had the whole nines over there. Oh, man, we should go over there and have a ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that's what. That's what I'm gonna get. That's what I'm gonna get. But the Browns. Look, Browns Club. I understand. I understand. Mayor, sometimes these owners try to squeeze you and ad taxes, hotel taxes and sale taxes and things and make you pay for the stadium and, you know, a three, four bit, you know, two, three billion dollar stadium. Hey, bro, you like. That's not. That's not what I want to use the citizens of Cincinnati for. Yeah, but if I, you know, if I had that kind of break, you know, I got. Jimmy has them. I mean, he's got good money. He don't have money like, you know, the top 50 people in the world. But, you know, ojo, you got 250 billion. I build my own stadium.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, bro, when you got. When you got $200 billion, what's 5 billion?

[Joe]

It's like. It's like you. It's like you right now just giving away by $10.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, basically. Especially making that kind of. Making that kind of revenue. It's reoccurring, and he's still getting it every year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's not. It's not like he. It's not like he. He lost five. It ain't gonna, bro. Last. Hey, Amazon, knock on my door by five. Ring my doorbell about five times a day. You have titles, going crazy.

[Joe]

Yeah. So we gonna have to get in contact with old Bezos.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I got his number.

[Joe]

You got his number.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You know, me and. Me and the commission like this. And so the connection between the commission, it was able to link me with Mr. Bezos and, you know my. You know how I am, man. Give me your number, man, just in case, you know.

[Joe]

Keep that.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, just keep in touch. I might need you for some business or something.

[Joe]

Just keep that tucked away, don't you? Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, the NFL needed 24 boats to ban the tush push. They got 22. Here are the 10 teams. Here are the 10 teams that voted against the tush push bands, obviously. The Eagles, Ravens, Browns, Lions, Jags, Dolphins, Patriots, Saints, Jets, Titans, every team that.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Didn'T vote, every team that chose not to vote against the tush push. I salute you. I salute. I salute you. Because at this point, so every time there's a play or there's a situation or there's a scheme that we can't stop in the off season, we're going to go vote against it. We're going to find a way to stop it, because we can't personally or we just don't have the personnel to stop the tush push. Oh, we're going to go vote like, come on, man. This is what the game has come to. Stop it. If you don't like something. When I played, teams, coaches, media, they complain. He always celebrate when he took. When he get in the end zone. Well, hell, she'll stop it. That's all you want.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Keep him out. That's what they said about, oh, man, Tio getting the end zone. I said, y' all don't want to dance, Keep my DMS on.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Pretty simple. Same thing with the touch.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you don't keep my DMS on, he gonna dance. He gonna do whatever he gonna do. He gonna grab pom poms, he gonna get popcorn, he gonna do whoever dance it is, he gonna do it. If you don't want him to dance, keep my DMS on.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Simple as that. So when it comes to. When it comes to the tush push, keep him out of short. Keep. Keep him out of the red zone.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Keep out of 30. Keep him out of 31, 32, 4th and 1. Yeah, go like.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Problem.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho is reported that tem debates Eagles owner Jeffrey Lori during a lengthy speech on the Tush Push band called the play a win win for the team regardless of whether it was banned, comparing its success success to a wet dream for a teenage boy boy because it was so effective and it had to be outlawed. Lurie also criticized NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and executive vice president Troy Benson for pushing to ban the play after Lori finished. Vincent, who played for the for the Eagles from 96 to 03, called him out for using the term wet dream in front of women. Percept workersham.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

And you gotta, you gotta choose your words wisely based on your surroundings.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If it's all men, if it's all men in the room, it's okay. Yeah, it's like we're in the barbershop. We talk openly. There's women, there's a kid in there.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You change, we keep it change your sentence structure. That's all. That's what I call it. Change the sentence structure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We we we we get you know, hey, I, I don't really see the comparison because they didn't have an outlawed that phase that a, a a boy goes through. They haven't outlawed it that I don't think they're trying to outlaw it Ocho, but I think, I think a part of me wants to understand what he was trying to say but got it. I didn't, I didn't get there. I didn't get there like he got there.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I understood we were trying to go with it. I was picking up what putting down.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Cho. Fox released their top wide receiver duos heading into next season. Number one, obviously, Jamar Chase, Joe Burrow. Number two, Dak Prescott, CD Lamb. Number three, Jerry Goff, Amon Ross, St Brown. Number four, Jalen Hurts, AJ Brown. Number five, Matthew Stafford, Puka Nakua. Number six, Baker Mayfield and Mike Evans. Tied for seventh with Jane Daniel and Terry McLaurin, along with Lamar Jackson and Zay Flowers. Number nine, CJ Stroud, Nico Collins. Number 10, Tua and Tyreek. Also receiving votes, honorable mention, Josh Allen, Khalil Shakur, Justin Herbert, Lad McConkle, Trevor Lawrence, Brian Thomas Jr. Jalen Hurts, Devontae Smith, Joe Burrow, T. Higgins. What did they get right? What did they get wrong?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I wish I had. I could have this. What was this on? Do you know what site this was on?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It was on Fox.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hold on, hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Fox Sports.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's on.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

The screen is so small. You can see that?

[Joe]

Yeah, you click on it. You can click on it on the screen on that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, you can't.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You can't, you can't.

[Joe]

I'm talking about to make it big on your own world. What he looking at?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Do that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Are you looking at It.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yes, right here. It's right above your head. But, you know, it's like you can't double that.

[Joe]

You can't double tap that screen and make it pop up big on your. On your screen right there.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

It made it smaller.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, hey, get some. Hey, get some big eyes.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me see if I can make it bigger. Damn. I can't now I'm going back to. Damn, I can't. I can't see it. Let me see. Based on what I know. I know they got Joe, right? I know they got Joe right now. They said. They said duos, which will be talking about quarterback. Number one. Receivers is up there. Number two. Number two.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I would have.

[Joe]

That's right, ain't it? Who, Dak and CD Lamb.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

All right. Yeah. I mean, who is that? Who's that at number three?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jerry Goffin. Almond Ross St. Brown.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

That's. That's a good one. So what they got The Eagles at 4.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Eagles at 4 with Jalen Hurst and A.J. brown, Matthew Stafford and Puka Nakua at 5. Baker Mayfield and Mike Evans at 6. Ash just texted to you.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Thank you. Thank you, Ash. So I. So I get. I can see it a little better. Thank you, Mama. Okay, now we're talking. You know what? This. The order. This is about, right? This is right. This is right. And was not fair, obviously, because A.J. brown doesn't get as many opportunities as Aman Ross St. Brown. I would have kind of flipped that. And I would put Baker Mayfield in front of Puka Nakua and Matthew Stafford, and I put Matthew Stafford and Puka Nakua at. At six and then put Baker Mayfield and Mike Evans at five. The Jane Dames is okay. It was their first year. Lamar Zay Flowers is perfect. Nico Collins. Well, CJ Stroud deserve to be up a little higher, I think. Yeah, I'm putting. I'm putting C.J. shroud and Nico Collins at seven. I'm putting them at seven. So really, really at seven. You could have. And I don't like the fact that Tyreek and Tua, just because they had off season, they. They all the way down at 10. Because when they on fire, he just.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So who you gonna put him in front of? So coming into this year, where you gonna put him?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I'm all right. Coming into this year for the sake of them having a down season because of Tua's injuries last year, he. We. We. We can keep him at 10, but we know when 2 and Tyreek is on, you already know what type of production that Is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but we saw Brian Thomas. We. Hey, I don't know who gonna be what you call him because I mean just imagine if Malik Neighbors had a quarterback.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, and he still had a great year. But hold on. You know who's not on here. Which I don't understand why he's not on here. Probably. Probably because of Trevor Lawrence, that goddamn Bryce Thomas Jr. Now he, Brian Thomas Jr. Should be on here despite having.

[Shannon Sharpe]

With who. Who is quarterback?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

That's the point. It don't even matter who his quarterback is. Look at his numbers as a rookie. God damn it.

[Joe]

Boy. Down there. Down there in that adult ballet room. Yeah, little nose snot in everything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I guess. Lux. I guess Luxury. Luxury gave you, you know.

[Joe]

Look, he can't get together over there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know we can see you right, Ocho?

[Joe]

Oh, hey, man. Don't care.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Little further off screen. Oh, the other way. Yeah.

[Michael Kassin]

All right.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

My bad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ojo, the chat says the Cowboys are number two for clickbait. Chat thinks they're too hot, right?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

No, they're not too high. They're not. Right. Even if you don't like the Cowboys. Even if you don't like the Cowboys. And the defense though is horrible. They always lose in the first round of playoffs. Now we talk about from a quarterback and receiver standpoint and production that those two put up together, especially last season. They had a great year together last year. And that is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, that was year before last. Remember Dak got hurt last year? That was year before last. Yeah, year before with CD when CD led the league.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Well, matter of fact, if that's what we're going to do, if that's what we're going to do and they gonna put him at number two. Well, hell, the year before last, Tyreek was an animal. So they.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, they said. They're saying coming in, but they're basing it on coming into this season. Where do you think that this season. Well, they're looking at Dak is help back healthy and he has someone opposite a. A CD that you can't double it.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Okay, I. I understand. I understand. I. I like this though. I like this though. I would. I would.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, did you see this video? Aaron Donald with 130 pound dumbbells.

[Joe]

Oh, I see.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look at this. How many reps you think you do with these?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

130. Maybe eight at most. I mean, I'm just being honest. Maybe eight at most.

[Joe]

Damn, uncle, you can do something with the 137.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Eight, nine. Got nine.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Keep playing around, man.

[Joe]

I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know your boy does I. I ain't what I used to be, Joe. You said what I do. I had them. How many? I do remember. I did. I had 132 and a half. Yeah, I did 132 and a half. I did those for 10.

[Joe]

Hey, look, when you done playing, when you done playing, that's a part of you that kind of sticks with you. Especially if you love, like, staying in shape. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, Joe. Not all of them do that, Joe.

[Joe]

I know, I know. Not all.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You see some of the boys now, you'd be like, well, what happened to you?

[Joe]

I know, I know, I know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, there's some DBs and running back look like D line and O line. I'm like, I always. I always said I wanted, like, if a father and son were to see me, like, he used to be an NFL player, right? Oh, I can see he played tight end. Okay, Okay. I can see that.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I didn't want to look like a D lineman. I didn't want to look like an offensive lineman. I wanted to look like, okay. People look at me, they say, oh, you. You play the sport, what you play, right? I can tell some of them, man.

[Joe]

Hey, yeah, nah, nah. It's some guys out here who kind of just let go. And I'm never with that. I'm a guy who always love being in shape, you know what I mean? Like, I enjoy that part of it. So I enjoy the grind. I embrace the grind, actually. And it's fun to me, man. So when I see big Aaron Donald out there throwing them 130s around, I'm like, damn, he ain't even playing no more. That man's still out there getting it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I mean, for me, I mean to. They just hold. Lifting that heavy weight, just hold too much weight on me, Joe. I'll be trying. If I try, if I try to get down on the 250, I gotta let them. I gotta let. I can't go over 100. Cause my ego won't let me stop.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, Joe, I'm hitting 130 for you in the morning, Joe. You know, I got my gym session at. At 6am I'm hitting 130s for you, man.

[Joe]

You gonna hit the 130. That's how you coming like that.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You know, I gotta play around with them hunters. I just, you know, I post some hunters all the time on. On Twitter and Instagrams. So I'm go out tomorrow and see. See what I'm looking like, see what I could do. All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not much. You ain't doing the one that's bad.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You won't bet not put some money on it.

[Joe]

How many times? How many times you gonna hit it? I want to know, because when I see you, when I see you trying to toss. Toss them 1-30s around, I want to see how many times. I mean, how many times you telling me you're gonna hit that? 130.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not one. Hey, Joe, I told you.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, Joe, on Twitter, you could somebody send it to you, right? People in the chat, they'll send you me playing around with hunters doing 10:15. So if I could do 10:15 with 100 incline or decline, what you think I'm gonna do with the 130s? I'm. I. I don't know. They haven't did 130s in a minute. I'm thinking nothing. Okay. You won't be. Joe. We gonna see tomorrow, Joe, I'm. I'm sending. All right, I'm real strong. I just. I'm scrawny, though. You hear me?

[Joe]

Yeah, you always been like that. Like, you probably can't pick up a.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Lot of weight, but my body won't expand the way I want it to expand. You feel me? Like, right now. Like, right now, it's probably my biggest I ever been. Like, right now, I'm about. Honestly, about 196. Yeah, about. About 196, and I. I can't get. I can't go over that, Joe. I got a problem eating three meals a day.

[Joe]

So, look, even if. Even the way you eat, you ain't got no You. You can't pick up no weight.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Nah, man, Joe, that's my problem. My baby be trying to get me to eat three times a day, Joe. I eat one meal a day. I'm good. The whole day? Yeah, the whole day. Don't care nothing about nothing else. I'm on the game. I take me a nap, get ready for the show. And she'd be like, did you eat? I'd be like, damn, no. One big meal one day, and I'm good. I'm satisfied the whole day. Smoke my cigar, get my coffee, and I'd be set if I. If I was able to be a little bit more disciplined and structured and actually eating three meals a day, you know, breakfast, lunch, and dinner, workout, you know, creatine and protein, all that. Nah. So I just get up, go to the gym, eat that breakfast after that, and I'm done the rest of the day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but, you know, back in the. Back in the day, Joe, I used to bad. Look here. When I was playing at 228, I could handle 100. Those 770s. I did 170s for six.

[Joe]

Damn. Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I used to, like, when I first went to Baltimore, I would work out by myself because I ain't really know anybody, and I ain't really trust nobody to spot. And, you know, a lot of times I work out by myself and it is. I took. I took four, five down, did it six times by myself. Sound like I probably could have got seven, but I always. I always. When I work out, I always leave one in the chamber.

[Joe]

Yeah, always basically by yourself. You mess around always.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't. Can't afford to get stuck with four, five on me, so I got six. I was like. I thought about. I contemplated. I said, nah, let me go ahead and rack it.

[Joe]

See, in football, you know, y' all. Y' all. Y' all like real bulky.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You know, I mean, basketball, we real lean.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. You don't need all that. That strength, it makes your shot of all that strength in your shoulder.

[Joe]

Yeah. And because we do so much running, it's hard to keep that type of muscle on. So when I see Honest and.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

And.

[Joe]

And Shay and how they all cut up and ripped up, man, that's. That take a lot of work, man. Yeah, it take a lot of work.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I would stay. I would stay strong, Joe. I would stay strong probably till about week 12, week 13, until my shoulders start getting really sore because I was still doing. I can still do up until probably week 14, 15. I still could do like 315 for like 12.

[Joe]

Man, that sounds.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Probably. I can still handle like 120 pound dumbbells for like eight. Hey, that's.

[Joe]

That's. That's squat waiting for me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Four hundred.

[Joe]

Four, fifteen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Three hundred and fifteen.

[Joe]

That's squat waiting for me. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho College CPF, CFP, College Football Playoff executive unanimously adopted a move to straight seating for this year's playoffs. And a call today, teams will be seated directly 1 through 12. Eliminated the concept designated for top 4 seeds from conference champs. Ocho, you like this?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Say that one more time. Bring that back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So in other words, what they did last year, they took the conference champions and they ranked those teams. So they've got 1, 2, 3, 4 rankings now. There's no more. Doesn't matter. You get ranked 1 through 12, whether you're a conference champ or not. The top four teams will get a buy. Still get a buy, Right? But it's not like Ohio State gotta buy because they won, you know, they won the big you know, the Big Ten.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Whomever else. I forget who. A Boise State, I think gotta buy. Who else gotta buy? I can't think off the top of my head. Maybe Texas. No, with Georgia. Maybe it was Georgia they gotta buy. I'm not sure, though. But I'm saying. But. Right, so. But moving forward, there'll be no more. If you're a conference champion now, that solidifies you to get one of the top four seasons. No, it's all 12 teams make the playoff.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And just because you're a conference champ, that doesn't mean you're going to get to buy.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, I don't like that. Obviously, winning conference champ. Winning conference champ should come with some type of benefit. Yeah, I mean, obviously. Especially. Especially. Especially being able to have a buy. Having to buy and achieving, you know, winning a Commerce championship should come with something. And just. Just having the seating 1 to 12 and just having to get. Listen, some people might like it, some people would not. I would love to know how the players feel about it and I would love to know how the coaches feel about it. About this new format. Obviously, there's always money behind everything that they do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

For sure.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Then I'm sure the way this format works is so those. It's a bigger slice of the pie for everybody.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think the Vegas Ocho. Look, everybody get a buy. Anyway, it's not like when they make the play you play the next week. Oh, Joe, the kids. 17, 18, 19.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Dang. You make it feel like the Joker's 32, 33. Do you remember when you was that age, what you could do? Run all day, play a football game Friday night and be ready to play another one Saturday night.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Saturday, yeah. And play Sunday, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. So the kid. I mean, that's why they can ride them. That's why they practice them like they practice them. You can hit all. I mean, we hit all the time in college when I was in college.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, we. We hit.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Listen, I don't know. I like the format. Whether I like it or not, I just know from a financial standpoint, it makes sense. Yeah, I just. I don't know how they did it, but it makes sense from somebody.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'll be honest, Ocho, I don't. I don't really remember being sore when I was in college. Do you remember being sore after playing a game? My shoulders a little bit, but not my legs.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Nah, not really.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And we didn't have no cold tub. So what are you gonna get in? I mean, I've been wondering. I'm Trying to think who we played. Oh, we played Morehouse. I'd never forget it. Yeah, my sophomore year, we played Morehouse. We lost. Coach Davis came in that thing. He said, hey. He said, I ain't even mad at y' all. He said, he say, it's my fault. I'm looking at like you ain't you. He say, it's my fault, cuz I brought you sorry mo foes up here. He say, since your uniform ain't dirty right now and ain't nobody play. He say, I got a good mind. I said, I should make all you sorry ends. We had one white boy on the team. He said, I ain't talking about you, Holmes. He say, he said I should make all you sorry eat sorry Ian, Walt. Except Sharp and Squirrel. Squirrel with the other receiver on the other side. He said, everybody else should buy. She'll make y' all walk back to Savannah. We in Atlanta. He said, but since y' all ain't hit nobody today, put that ish on tomorrow. And I'll see y' all at the field at one o' clock.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Y' all had practice the next day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Practice and I game uniform. Hey, man. Hey, man. Hey. Black Holly was different back. I. I don't know how it is now. Oh, Joe. Because that was 40 years ago for me. But I'm telling you, Bill Davis, they play. Bill Davis got butter from a duck. Oh, yes, sir. Yes, sir. Bill Davis said, I got. I gotta trim the fat. I gotta trim the fat.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, that's fine.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That was it. That was his favorite. We need to go have one of the more hard ass practices on your. One of them three hour practices. Yeah, that was the thing. He called us up. Goddamn, homes. I got to trim the fat today.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Oh, Lord, he got to trim the fat.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I won't number. I won't nothing leave me. I don't want no believe me. Oh, he get it out to two. We start with them gases, Ocho. We start with gases. Over, over, back, over, back, over. I mean, we. So we go all the way to seven. So you go over, that's one over, back, that's two over, all the way to seven. And then you do calisthenics, and then you stretch.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I know y' all had to be in shape. Boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boy, Ocho, that was the days. Yeah, them were the days, Ocho. And you talking about that. Hey, anybody from that area, Savannah, know how hard it gets? They know how hard they get in the end of July and August.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was like, man, I used to ask my brother I'd call my brother and tell us the man what we all. We did. He said. I said, man, it's like that in NFL. He's like, nah. Because, oh, Joe, you don't have you say, I know how much we ran in high school, so obviously natural. I think I'm gonna run at least that even more in college.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I'm thinking the next level, I would run just like that.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Absolutely not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But Dan Reeves. Dan Reeves learned from coach Landry Ocho, you jumped outside, you had to run 400. You had to run 400 meters, jumping offsides, offside. Any mistake that you made jumping off sides, 400 meters, man. Ocho, you remember I told you your boy gone. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? Ah, man, one day I had to rough. Oh, yo, I ain't gonna lie. Oh, what time I had to rough. I had to run a mile.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Oh, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I stayed outside. I like, damn. I like, man, I had. Had me think, Ocho, I had to go. I got so tired, Ocho, you know you get tired. You. You know, I'm like, are they changing the slam count on me? Yeah, they telling me one thing, and it's on something else. Cause I could have swore I heard one, right? But, boy, there was days, Ocho, man, I'm telling you, man, me and my homeboy Bucket was talking about that. Man, Bill didn't play. Man, Bill did not play that. Ooh. Like, damn. You know, they got a team, too. I'm sure they practiced and met and did all those things, but teams we were supposed to beat and we didn't beat.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boy, that next week practice gonna be something, Mocho. And that was back in the day, Ocho. That was back in the day. We had Oklahoma. We had Bull in the ring.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, I remember that. I remember Oklahoma drills bull in the ring.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you know. Hey, you know, o' Shea, you know, Adam, Sleeves all tied up on your. They want to see o' Shea.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, I. I remember. I did bull in the ring, Oklahoma. Drew, I'm talking about this as a little kid. I ain't do it at all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We did that in college.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Oh, yeah. I mean, do that in college.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, but see, it was fun when you was a kid because you wanted. You pride yourself on being the toughest. Hey, until you get that baby turn around. Hey, he gave somebody a number. You'll know who it is. Hey, you get the feet going.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah. And it was the days. But I mean, in the nf, in the NFL, we did it. It was more so a receiver blocking drill, but it was still concept. It's still Oklahoma drill. But yeah, it wasn't laying down. It just no thudding up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, because a lot of times sometimes when we have force, you push the corner and then you go crack the safety.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Drop that bump on a mocho.

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[Leon Nayfak]

In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency.

[Joe]

Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir?

[Michael Kassin]

No.

[Leon Nayfak]

It became known as the Iran Contra.

[Michael Kassin]

Affair and I'm not taking any more questions. In just a second, I'm going to ask.

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[Joe]

The things that happened were so Bizarre and insane. I can't begin to tell you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Please do.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

The Browns crowded quarterback room. Ocho could make for some awkward moments, but that's not been the case, according to Shadour Sanders. Shadour said the vibe in the QB room is positive. Everybody's cool outside the room. People try to pit us against each other, but inside the room, we know we're one. We're all different characters. It's funny going in there, seeing Joe every day. It's fun to see him because I like, wow. I really mean Joe Flacco right now. We're on the same team. Then of course, Kenny, the experience, he's been in the league with these two is cool and to see the process of it. And desean, of course, he's active in there and he's all in the meeting. So it's cool talking to him. Why? So, yes, only one quarterback can play. We understand that. So because only one quarterback. This isn't Hunger Games, you know, I mean, I think that, you know, people think. I think sometimes, Ocho, people try to pit like it's a Hunger Games. Like you could have only one winner. Yes. There's only going to be one guy that's going to be able to play at a time. But I'm not trying to sabotage it. I'm gonna go in there. Hopefully he can parts impart some wisdom. Joe Flacco's been in this thing a very, very long time. What is this year? 1718 for Joe.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Super. Super bowl winning quarterback.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Gotta be at least 17. I think 2009 was the rookie year. Two. Okay. So this year. So this is your 1718. Okay. Yeah. So, hey, hopefully I can get some from Joe. Kenny Pickett has been in the league for a while. I don't know if I'm get too much from him, but you know, hey, let's, let's. Let's see how it go. But hey, so what? So, so what? I'm just trying to figure out what it, what it's supposed to be. I understand. Ocho, when you, when you in the wide receiver room.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, y' all didn't. It wasn't a whole bunch of three wide. It was two wide receivers. Yeah. Everybody wanted to play. I'm not trying to sabotage anybody so I can play in front of them if you beat me out for the job. Ain't gonna happen. But wish you the best yeah, most definitely.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

And we, we know, we know what the pecking order is going to be. We know the pegging order is going to be based on what we saw from rookie, at rookie camp after they got, after they got drafted. Listen, the eye test, it doesn't lie. And based on the eye test, when you've seen the quarterbacks that came in their rookie year, you already know who's the best. You, you already know who it is. So Flacco is going to be the starter at some point, if Flaco's not playing well, Shador Santos, Shador Sanders will step in and be the quarterback of the future. Yeah, that's just how it's gonna say. It's how it always plays out every single time. Just not in this situation, in any situation. Maybe this one is a, a little bit, a little different because it is Shador. He was a fifth round pick. He's very, very well known and his last name is Sanders. But these things like this happen all the time and all plays out the same way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The cream always rises to the top, it never settles on the bottom. And if Shador is what he believes he is, and his supporters believe he is, when the opportunity presents himself, he'll get in there and he won't look back. Same thing would happen with Tom Brady. Tom Brady came as a six round draft pick. He really, he didn't play his rookie year and he was sitting the bench start of his sophomore year. Guy gets hurt, he goes in and he doesn't look back. Lou Gehrig was not starting at first base. Wally Pip was. And one day he had a headache. And guess what, Ocho, he never got back on first base again unless he was DHing. And I don't think they had the DH back then. So yeah, it happens. It's just when your opportunity, when the opportunity presents itself, that's what luck is. You know what luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Opportunity, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you're prepared with the opportunity presents itself, doesn't matter whether it's in sports, whether it's a media, you know, people ask undisputed, well, how would you, bro? I just waiting for that opportunity. I was prepared. I prepared a lifetime. My knowledge of studying and going over stuff and watching sports very intently. You hear Cornbread say, man, damn, look how you breaking the game down. I wouldn't think you breaking down out like that. You a Laker fan, right? But when you watch and you study, knowing that an opportunity gonna present itself because you know, people don't plan to fail, they fail to Plan, Right. So all I'm doing is hoarding information. Studying. I'll be doing it. It's gonna come, it's gonna happen. And when it does, be ready. We put this together, man. I think I can. I could do my own thing. I could do this. I just need somebody to do to bounce. Hey, that entertaining can bounce stuff off of man.

[Joe]

Don't you?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you think about this, man? You gonna do it? I want to do it too. Yeah, let's do it. But the opportunity. A lot of times people get opportunity. Ah, man, they messed over me. No, you weren't prepared. You weren't ready. You weren't ready. And so, hey, now you gotta don't. When things don't happen, don't blame somebody else.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, I. I hate that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What could you have done differently? What could you have done better?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

And you know. You know what I also hate on is when people know a situation, people know a situation is bad, and they always find an excuse instead of doing what they need to do, instead of doing what's necessary to fix said situation, but blame everything else going on around them. I thought that that hurts me. That hurts that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because it's easier to blame someone else than to blame yourself. Because if I were to put that on me, Ocho, that means that something about me is wrong. Who wants to admit that there's something wrong with them? Yeah, Accountability.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It'd be the first to raise my hand in situations. A. I put Shannon. Jenna's done this. Yeah, I'm. I'm big. I'm big on accountability.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Same if I up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got to. You have to own up to it. You have to. That's the only way to. And look, it happens. Don't beat yourself up about it too much. Hey, you're gonna go through those emotions like, damn, really? But then, hey, pick yourself up. God is good and good. And in bad, he's still God in good and in bad. So we will see what you're doing. I. I just wanted to get in there and when he gets his opportunity, take the most of it. Oh, Joe. A lot has been made about Sam Laporta's decreased production in the sophomore season with the lambs. LaPorta was targeted 120 times in 2023 and just 83 times in 2024. That's 37 fewer targets.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

What takes. But they expect. You got Jameson Williams, you got a mountain Rossane Brown, you got Jameer Gibbs, you got Dan Montgomery in the backfield. Well, obviously, I mean, you got the guy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What was the guy that Came from. Came from Denver. I forget his name. He played. Yeah. So we saw his receiving yards and toast down. Totals saw a dip. Laporta defended himself against critics today using too many miles to feed in this argument.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Oh, there we go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, he said it.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I mean, you can see that from a mile away, but that's expected.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So if so, I mean, you look when you got Almond Ross like Brown catch it over. So how many people you think they can. They can throw, they can catch 100 paws. You put a lot of. I mean, yeah, Kelsey's numbers are down, but obviously you see other people numbers tick up. That's just the way it works.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, so you want armor Ross, St. Brown. I mean, how many kids you have? Like 110, 115. Okay, he get 115. Now you want Laporte to have what, 110? Let's just say you want him to have 90. Okay, how many, Jameson, William get How many you gonna throw the Gibbs out of the backfield? I felt like I was still very polished receiver in the past game, but I keep hearing comments maybe like this, obviously, like, why do you get the ball as much? It's like, dude, we score the most points of any team in the NFL in the last five years. Like, everybody deserves the ball. And I agree. I think I deserve the ball still. But I'm very pleased with how I blocked last year in the run game. See. See how they try to pitch you against your teammates?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why you ain't get the ball? So that means the fact. Yeah, I should. Yeah, they should be throwing me the ball. Yeah. I understand he had this. But they need to give me the rock. You see how they try to do that on Joe? Always winning ain't enough. I. I feel bad for you guys because it seemed like me, some of y' all had him on your fantasy team.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

That's probably what it was right there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what it seemed like to me.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Not getting the ball. Worried about that goddamn fantasy. You know what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The fantasy or they parlay or the fantasy. And parlays don't show everybody. Damn. My. You mess my parlay up. Yeah, well, I don't know what to tell you. I ain't messed my game up. We won. That's all. That's all I really care about. All that other stuff ain't not y' all gonna break me off. So when y' all break me up when I scored three touchdowns and have 100 yards, y' all say, hey, man. Man, you were my fantasy for me today. You were my parley. Let me break you off something.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Send me a little check.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, all you do is. Hey, man, I remember that time you won me my fantasy league. Okay, let me get something then, man.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You won't. Yeah, yeah. You told me that's what I did.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yes, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Chicago Bears head coach Ben Johnson is already tweaking Caleb Williams mechanic issues. The second year quarterback has adjusted his stance and his keep his left foot forward before the snap. Ben Johnson said, I've done it a number of ways in my time in the league and really over the last few years I kind of gravitated towards that. It's something that I feel pretty strongly about. He and I talked about it, the reason why we want to do it. I think it helps out certainly with the quick game from the gun and it helps us being a little bit better of throwing a posture for like a lot of other things that we're asking him to do.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Ocho championship at some point in the next five to seven years.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everyone else, very, very Tennessee. Tennessee, y' all ain't gonna get nothing. Jets, Falcons. Hey, Brown.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

No, no, that. Cardinals. No. And this is no disrespect to those teams, but I'm just saying the, the makeup, the makeup. And, and it's just, it's not happening. The Bills, I can see it. The Bengals, I can see it. You know, there's certain things we, I mean obviously the Bangles need to do. Starting early, starting F if they could. They've already been to a Super Bowl. They just didn't goddamn winning. So they can damn sure get back. The Bills are right there. They're on the cusp of being there. So as long, as long as Josh Allen is there, they will be back again and contention every goddamn year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A bunch of reports surfaced today of Joe Milton dazzling in Cowboys practice. Joe Milton, freak. His talents reportedly left his new teammates and coaches stunned. Despite no pads at recent Cowboys practice. One NFL scout reportedly believes Milton has the most live arm of any nf of any quarterback in the NFL and has a chance to flourish in the Cowboys QB room. Brian Schottenheimer is reportedly all in on Milton and believes the sky's the limit for Milton in the league. Since joining the Cowboys, Milton has reportedly been the hardest worker, being the first one in the building and one of the last ones out on multiple occasions. Milton has reportedly already made some eye opening throws. Eye opening plays, excuse me. Including. Including an incredible throws and a 20 yard scramble. Oh, Joe. Is Jerry putting these reports out? Is he the one that just got this Back tattoo. Just went under anesthesia and got this tattoo. I think he's just got a tattoo.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

It's a few players that did it too this off season. There's a few of them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think he just got a back tattoo of size. He got some kind of torso.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ooh, I'm hurt. Ooh, I'm hurting thinking about that, Ocho. Damn.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, hey, listen, even Jerry is putting these reports out. These reports mean nothing. You know, going against yourself and helmets and shorts, nothing. Having a live arm is, is a good attribute to have, but it's so much more to play in the quarterback position. You know, I like, I like him in general, but there's so much more to the game itself outside of what they're seeing in shorts and helmets. To, to be a quarterback is stressing. Playing in a pressure situation if you're the starter for that goddamn team that wear the star on his helmet. So I mean, they need to slow down a little bit with, with the reports and the, the excitement and the flashes of, of what you're seeing against yourselves because it, it means nothing when those bullets are firing for real on a Sunday at 1 o' clock.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, so where was he at last year? Wasn't he in, where was he? New England. And he showed some flashes. Ocho running around, throwing the ball on the move. And I think he is gonna have some better offensive talent now. I'm not saying he gonna beat Dakota. He ain't beating Dakota. You got 60 million dollars. You're not fitting to put a 60 million dollar. I don't care if Joe Milton can look like Patrick Mahomes in his second year. His second year in NFL where he threw it 55, 5000 yards and 50 touchdowns. You ain't putting no 60 million dollar quarterback on the bench.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

So.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Maybe that gives Jerry cause to pause or maybe extending. But I don't see a scenario where Milton, Milton beat Beat. Back out. What? Your support as we move forward. Please make sure you check out Shade by La Portier. We do have it in stock now. If you can't find it in a city or state near you, order it online. We'll ship it directly to your door. The best tasting VSOP cognac on the market. Try it for yourself. Don't take my word for it, but try it for yourself. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Go follow my media company page on all of his platforms. Shay Shay Media and my clothing company, 84. With 84 being spelled out, that link is pinned in the chat. Supplies are limited and once they're gone, they are gone. So grab yours while you can. We are off tomorrow but but we're back on Sunday. Thank you guys for joining us. Thank you guys for tuning in tonight. We appreciate it. We'll see you on Sunday. The Volume okay, have you heard about this? Last year, Degree changed the formula for their Cool Rush deodorant. Their fans rebelled and wanted the old sim back and degree Listen, that doesn't happen often.

[Joe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Joe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Michael Kassin]

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[Anjali Sud]

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[Michael Kassin]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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