Nightcap - Best of the Rest Part 2: LeBron Leaving Lakers? + 100 Men vs. Gorilla Debate Continues

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Nightcap - Best of the Rest Part 2: LeBron Leaving Lakers? + 100 Men vs. Gorilla Debate Continues

Release Date: May 10, 2025

In this engaging episode of Club Shay Shay, NFL legend Shannon Sharpe hosts a lively discussion featuring sports enthusiasts Ocho, Unk, and a special guest. The episode delves into two primary topics: the ongoing LeBron James and the Lakers narrative and the humorous yet thought-provoking 100 Men vs. Gorilla debate. Stripping away advertisements and unrelated segments, the following summary captures the essence of these conversations, enriched with notable quotes and timestamps for reference.

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1. 100 Men vs. Gorilla Debate Continues

The episode kicks off with Ocho and Unk diving into the classic internet debate: could 100 men collectively fend off a gorilla? Their banter is filled with humor, competitive spirit, and a deep appreciation for athletic prowess.

Team Formation and Player Selection

Unk takes an assertive stance, selecting formidable athletes to counter the gorilla:

• James Harrison: "[...] I'm gonna beat his ass. So I'm gonna just put him on my team anyway." (02:42)
• Jon Jones: "[...] I'm Gonna go with Jon Jones." (02:47)
• Alex Pereira: "[...] Give me Alex Pereira." (02:53)
• Francis Ngannou: "[...] I'm going Francis Nganu." (02:56)
• Bud Cruz: "[...] He's different. He's different. He can wrestle, he can punch. I'm going with Bud Cr." (03:02)

Ocho counters with his selections:

• Michael Westbrook: "[...] I'm gonna take Westbrook." (05:10)

Their selections highlight a mix of boxing, wrestling, and MMA expertise, adding layers to the debate's dynamics.

Strategic Insights and Humor

The conversation is peppered with strategic insights and playful jabs:

• Unk: "Heals my squad gonna win anyway." (04:43)
• Ocho: "Don't you worry about my squad. You worry about your squad? Get punched in the face." (04:32)

The hosts' chemistry brings energy to the debate, making it both entertaining and thought-provoking.

Evolution of the Debate

As the discussion progresses, the complexity increases with Ocho introducing NBA player spelling challenges, blending sports knowledge with linguistic skills:

• Ocho: "His name is Christian Brown. Christian Brown." (07:30)
• Unk struggles with spelling, leading to humorous exchanges about athletes' names and their origins.

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2. LeBron Leaving Lakers?

Shifting gears, the conversation transitions to the LeBron James and the Los Angeles Lakers scenario, exploring the possibilities of LeBron ending his illustrious career with the Lakers.

Family and Lifestyle Considerations

The hosts emphasize the personal aspects influencing LeBron's decision:

• Ocho: "He love everything about LA... There's really nothing for him not to like about LA." (23:06)
• Guest: "His daughter was in dance class here. She got everything going on that way." (22:35)

These points highlight the importance of family and lifestyle in LeBron's potential decision to stay.

Business and Market Influence

The business side of sports is also scrutinized:

• Unk: "It's too many moving parts in LA for him to go back to Akron, obviously having a place there..." (25:09)
• Ocho: "Bigger market... There's nothing that in LA you can't do in LA." (25:41)

The allure of the Los Angeles market, with its vast opportunities, appears to be a significant factor keeping LeBron anchored to the city.

Community and Legacy

The discussion touches upon LeBron's community ties and legacy:

• Ocho: "He still has ties there, but as far as from a business standpoint... it would make more sense to stay here in LA." (25:22)
• Unk: "LeBron James will be a California man. He's not a native. Obviously he grew up in Akron, Ohio..." (25:42)

These reflections underscore the balance between personal roots and professional growth in shaping LeBron's future with the Lakers.

Conclusion on LeBron's Future

The consensus among the hosts leans towards LeBron remaining with the Lakers:

• Ocho: "LeBron James will be a California man. He's not a native... I think California is where he's going to reside when it's all said and done." (25:09)
• Unk: "He ain't going nowhere." (24:50)

Their collective insights provide a comprehensive outlook on why LeBron is likely to continue his legacy in Los Angeles.

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Notable Quotes and Highlights

• Unk on Team Strength: "Mr. Sharp had two rushes for how many yards? [...] Negative 6." (14:41)
• Ocho on LeBron's Market Influence: "There's nothing that in LA you can't do in LA." (25:43)
• Humorous Banter on Athlete Selection: "You think I'm back." (02:00)

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Insights and Reflections

This episode of Club Shay Shay masterfully blends lighthearted debates with serious discussions about sports personalities. The 100 Men vs. Gorilla segment showcases the hosts' creativity and knowledge of athletic abilities, while the LeBron James conversation provides a deep dive into the factors influencing one of basketball's biggest stars. Shannon Sharpe facilitates these discussions, ensuring they remain engaging and insightful for listeners.

For fans who missed the episode, this summary encapsulates the dynamic exchanges and key takeaways, offering a comprehensive overview of the topics discussed.

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Note: Timestamps are indicative and correspond to the moments within the provided transcript for reference.

Transcript

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[Ocho]

The volume.

[Unk]

You think I'm back.

[Ocho]

For the first time in a long time, it's time for rough draft and it's prompted by people want to know your team. If you're going to take on a silverback, you get five guys. Who you gonna name? Ocho. So let's get, let's see the. The graphics woman list.

[Unk]

That woman. All right.

[Ocho]

Oh, you up first.

[Unk]

All right. First person for me. I need five people. If we gonna fight it. If we gonna. We're gonna, we gonna. We gonna run with a gorilla, right?

[Ocho]

Yep.

[Unk]

I'm going with James Harrison just because I'm gonna beat his ass. So I'm gonna just put him on my team anyway.

[Ocho]

Okay. I'm Gonna go with Jon Jones.

[Unk]

Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one.

[Guest]

Give me.

[Unk]

Give me Alex Pereira.

[Ocho]

Okay, I like that. I'm going Francis Nganu.

[Unk]

Okay, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with someone here. He's a boxer, but he's different. He's different. He can wrestle, he can punch. I'm going with Bud Cr.

[Ocho]

What's it. You play with the paces now? I think his name. James Johnson.

[Unk]

Is that his name from the heat?

[Ocho]

Yeah, you let the heat. What time? Yeah.

[Unk]

Black belt.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I'm taking him.

[Unk]

Okay. Okay. Hey, I want. Hey, I want to fight him too.

[Ocho]

Nah.

[Unk]

Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna fight him too. Oh, but. But anyway, I. I got. You ready? I got two more, right? You ready?

[Ocho]

Yeah, I'm ready.

[Unk]

Aaron. Donald. So Jeff, basically off the. The 4op name already. The gorilla done. The gorilla done it. And when I. When I get his. When I get his fifth name, it's a rap. It's over. Hold on. What you looking up? Why you cheating, man?

[Ocho]

I'm looking up. This what you call him? Oh, I know. I couldn't think of his name. I'm taking M. Lopez. Five time gold medals from Cuba. Greco Roman wrestler.

[Unk]

That listen, ain't gonna be no wrestling. That ain't gonna help me. Listen have it. Listen, having a background in wrestling, dealing with a gorilla, they ain't going to do nothing for you.

[Ocho]

Don't you worry about my squad. You worry about your squad? Get punched in the face.

[Unk]

No, we good.

[Ocho]

We good.

[Unk]

My squad gonna win anyway. My fifth player is in Dama Su.

[Ocho]

Okay, I like that one.

[Unk]

Yeah, I. I know you do. And I'm sure the chat agree with. I got the better squad, too.

[Ocho]

Nah, bro, trust me. Let's see.

[Unk]

Trust me.

[Ocho]

Ask M I J A N who, who can. You know what? I'm ride my homeboy.

[Unk]

What?

[Ocho]

I'm gonna ride my homeboy. What the hell are you gonna do, Charles Oakley?

[Unk]

Oh, oh, oh, oh. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Ocho]

Hey, you know who told me I should give said, man, look here. Next time you have a tough guy competition, you know what? Take oak off. I'm gonna take. Ok, off, I'm gonna take Westbrook. Westbrook told me said, man, you be. Y' all be. You and oo be talking about these fighting competitions and you talk about, hey, man, hey. He said, oh, you know, hey, you know, I got the hands now. You from Westbrook.

[Unk]

What's Westbrook?

[Ocho]

Michael Westbrook. You played?

[Unk]

He was in Cincinnati with me.

[Ocho]

Yes, yes.

[Unk]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, hey. Well, he's a fool, boy, man. Hey, where Westbrook at?

[Ocho]

Man, I just saw. I just saw him in Virginia at an autograph signing.

[Unk]

Yeah, he still. He still swole up.

[Ocho]

He like 205.

[Unk]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Ocho]

But he still. He still cut up.

[Unk]

Yeah. Hey, guys. Hey, that's my dog, man. He was. He was in Cincinnati with me one year.

[Ocho]

Yeah. He just couldn't stay healthy. Big. I'm talking about. I mean, I'm. You talking about 210, 6, 3, 2, 10. Run four, three could jump body. Just, you know, he had a couple of fights. He fought in MMA for a little while.

[Unk]

He did?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unk]

Damn. Like Johnny Morton ain't know that.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unk]

Goddamn Westbrook, man.

[Ocho]

Man, my team gonna beat the brakes off that gorilla.

[Unk]

No, no, no, it ain't. No, it ain't. No, it ain't. Don't. Don't lie to yourself. Now. You not. This is you lying to yourself. And you just saw the names I put on my team, and I'm. I guarantee the chat agree with me.

[Ocho]

You ain't got but one MMA fight on there.

[Unk]

That's all I needed. Did you see who else I got on there? Yeah, I got one lunatic. And then Domin Sue. I got Aaron, Donald, crazy, strong ass. I got Bud. Who. He do any and everything. He crazy. He ain't wrapped up too tight, man. Man, it's a rap. Okay, okay, okay, okay. This good Harvard education gonna take over right now, baby.

[Ocho]

Okay, the names that you're gonna be spelling is NBA is Player Edition. So these players currently play in the NBA.

[Unk]

Okay. Okay.

[Ocho]

Ah, let's just do the last. He ain't getting. All right, I'm gonna give you the first one. Ocho.

[Unk]

All right? First one.

[Ocho]

His name is Christian Brown. Christian Brown.

[Unk]

We're doing last name, right?

[Ocho]

Yeah. We're gonna do last night. I ain't gonna let you spell the first one.

[Unk]

Oh, Christian. Wait. Christian Brown. Yeah, Yeah. B R, O, W, N. I knew.

[Ocho]

You'Re gonna say that. It's B R, B R, B R.

[Unk]

A U, O, B R, A, U.

[Ocho]

You spelled it Brown. It's B R, A, U, N. That's.

[Unk]

What I meant to say.

[Ocho]

No, you forget to say what you said. Okay, this next one, he plays for the Indiana Pacers. His name is Pascal Siakam. Pascal Siakam.

[Unk]

Siakam. S, I, A K, A M. Siakam.

[Ocho]

That is correct.

[Unk]

I know it is. And so with the first one, you cheating me. You cheating me because I'm black.

[Ocho]

The next word, the next Name. He plays for the Minnesota Timberwolves.

[Unk]

Okay.

[Ocho]

Dante divincenzo. Dante divincenzo.

[Unk]

Dante D I V N D N Bin D I V N Tin Tin. C H E N Z O D.

[Ocho]

I V I N C E N Z O divincenzo.

[Unk]

Damn.

[Ocho]

The next one is Isaiah Hartenstein. Isaiah Hartenstein. He plays for the OKC Thunder. Isaiah Hartenstein.

[Unk]

Isaiah Hartenstein. H A R T E N S T E I N. Correct.

[Ocho]

Isaiah.

[Unk]

Let's go, boy.

[Ocho]

The next word, you have to spell the second. You don't have to spell the first, but you have to spell the middle and the last name.

[Unk]

Okay, okay, okay. Give me time. Give me time. Take your time.

[Ocho]

Now, Shea, Gilus, Alexander. Shay. Gilges, Alexander.

[Unk]

Wait, that spell Alexander, right?

[Ocho]

You gotta spell Gil Alexander.

[Unk]

Gil. Gil Gris.

[Ocho]

GilGis. Shay, Gilgis, Alexander.

[Unk]

J. I mean, there's about J, G, R, E, double S, G I, L.

[Ocho]

G E, O, U, S A L E X, A N, D E, R.

[Unk]

Man, who the hell. Man. Who has spelled his name like that? Man. Okay, that ain't part of the English language.

[Ocho]

The next one, he also play. He plays for the New York Knicks.

[Unk]

Okay.

[Ocho]

OG Anunoby. OG Anunoby.

[Unk]

And no, no. O, N, U, n, O, B, O, Y, B E, Y, A, N U.

[Ocho]

N, O, B, Y, O, G. Anunobi.

[Unk]

He Nigerian.

[Ocho]

Sure.

[Unk]

No, I'm mad. I'm asking. I'm just curious.

[Ocho]

He from Canada. But if you say that's where. That's where you're originally from. I don't know.

[Unk]

Okay. Okay. Maybe that's French.

[Ocho]

He's British.

[Unk]

Okay, well, they got some crazy last names, man.

[Ocho]

That's Naja, right? That last one. Zeke. Oh, yeah. All right, Ocho, you got one.

[Unk]

I got three right?

[Ocho]

You got two out of six.

[Unk]

I got three right.

[Ocho]

No, you didn't.

[Unk]

I got Brown.

[Ocho]

All right, Ocho, it's time for payback now. It's time for dunk on Unk.

[Unk]

I got Brown, right?

[Ocho]

You feel the V all in? No.

[Unk]

Okay, here we go. Hey, Chat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get ready, Chat. We got Dunk on Unk. Here we go. Football edition.

[Ocho]

It's basketball season.

[Unk]

Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Hey, plug in that aol. Plug in that aol. You got. You ready?

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Unk]

Chat, do not put the answers in the chat because UNC is looking at it. Name the five hall of Famers from the 1990 NFL Draft. Five hall of Famers from the 1990NFL Draft.

[Ocho]

Shannon Sharp, one Johnny Randall. Cortez Kennedy, Jr. Seau. Emmett Smith.

[Unk]

Damn it. Okay, okay. Okay. All right. You ready now? That was luck I just gave you. Listen, I. Listen, I gave. I gave you a fast that night.

[Ocho]

We had a nice little class, man.

[Unk]

Yeah, it was cool. It was cool. One player and two coaches are enshrined in both the cfl. Are enshrined in both the CFL and Hall of Fame. One player and two coaches are enshrined in both the cfl. Hold on. One player in two coaches enshrined in both the cfl, the Canadian hall of Fame.

[Ocho]

And. And. Yeah, well, Warren Moon. Warren Moon is the player.

[Unk]

Okay, one. One player or. Who the two coaches.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Unk]

Who? Coaches. I. I didn't know he was. Okay, okay. Who?

[Ocho]

Warren?

[Unk]

No, I know. I knew Warren was. But these. The next.

[Ocho]

These coaches. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Coaches. Coaches. Canada. Canada.

[Unk]

Yep. Enshrined in the CFL and NFL hall of Fame. Damn, that's dope. I ain't know that.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Ooh, wee joke. I'm trying to think. I gotta go back and think. Hold on. Coaches. Coaches.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I'm never gonna get this one.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Cause it's gotta be somebody. I'm trying to think of the coaches that's in the hall of Fame. I'm not gonna get it.

[Unk]

So I give you. I give you a hint on one of them.

[Ocho]

What is it?

[Unk]

He coached with the Buffalo Bills.

[Ocho]

Oh, Marv Levy.

[Unk]

Okay, here's one more.

[Ocho]

Oh, man.

[Unk]

Yeah. I help you out. You still got it wrong, though. But I just had to throw that little. That little pickle in just to. Just to help you out real quick.

[Ocho]

I'm trying the Buffalo Bills. Uh, I don't know. Don Coriel.

[Unk]

I don't know no Bud Grant.

[Ocho]

Oh, I'd have never got that one.

[Unk]

Yeah, yeah. You. You want. You went around with me during that.

[Ocho]

But Grant for the Minnesota Vikings. The Purple people leaders.

[Unk]

In 1992, Shannon Etholius Sharp had two rushes for how many yards?

[Ocho]

Oh.

[Unk]

In 1992, Shannon Elofius Sharp had two rushes for how Many yards?

[Ocho]

10.

[Unk]

And negative 6.

[Ocho]

Negative 6. I'm trying to think who I carried the ball against.

[Unk]

Hey, they must have gave you a reverse or something.

[Ocho]

Yeah, they did.

[Unk]

I knew it. I knew it.

[Ocho]

I'm trying to think, who did I carry the ball to get. I think I carried against Philly once. All right, man. I don't know. I don't even remember.

[Unk]

Hey, and what year did the Clippers relocate from San Diego to Los Angeles? Officially, they debuting as the LA Clippers. Excuse me?

[Ocho]

Well, they originally the Clippers originally started out in Buffalo. They were the Braves. Then they relocated to San Diego, became the Clippers, and they relocated to LA. I don't know. I'm gonna take a wild guess at 79.

[Unk]

That is absolutely wrong. The year that the Clippers relocated to Los Angeles from San Diego was 1984. 1984 is the answer you were looking for. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We got him, Chat. We got him. You ready?

[Ocho]

Yep.

[Unk]

What matchup produced the highest combined point total of the 2425 NBA season, ringing up 299 points in an overtime thriller?

[Ocho]

You say NBA? You said it was Football Edition.

[Unk]

Hey, what happened to your A. It's not plugged in. I would go, what's wrong with your WI Fi? Indiana. That's a good one. Because the paces. Boy, them boys. Boy, them. Boy. Putting up some points.

[Ocho]

I don't know. India. I'm say Indiana. Milwaukee.

[Unk]

You know what? It's one thing about it, boy. One thing about the aol, one thing about your WI Fi. That must be bad because the answer is wrong. It's the Memphis Grizzlies and the Phoenix Suns. You forgot 2024. 2024, 2025 NBA season. The Grizzlies and the Suns put up a bar. Put up a barn burner. Wait, did I use that in the right context?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unk]

Okay.

[Ocho]

It was a barn. It was a barn burner.

[Unk]

I got a bonus. I got a bonus question for you. I got a bonus question for you. Who were the halftime performers for all three of your super bowl victories? Even if you was in the locker room, you should know who the halftime performers.

[Ocho]

No, hell, I shouldn't. I could. Hold on. I couldn't give you the focus idea. I ain't even attempting to get. No, bro, I was locked in. I couldn't even tell you.

[Unk]

But even if you locked in, you know way ahead of time, who the super bowl halftime show gonna be.

[Ocho]

Bro, I ain't been in the Super bowl in 25 years. And before that, it was so 30. Yeah. So we got the 25th anniversary of the Raven Super Bowl.

[Unk]

No. Right?

[Ocho]

I have no idea.

[Unk]

So technically, you lost the night. And in 1997, the halftime performer was Jewel. In 1998, someone who I dated.

[Ocho]

Sure. Sure was. 898.

[Unk]

Yes, I dated Share Briefly and the Backstreet Boys in two. I don't know what to tell you, but the king. The king has. Has risen.

[Ocho]

That's the first time. That's. Hey. Because you. You want to stop playing. You want them. You want them. Want to take your ball and go home. So I gotta let you win a couple of them.

[Unk]

Chad. I just want to thank y' all for support. I I appreciate you. This is what I do. The Harvard education tell you what you do. I I love y' all.

[Ocho]

He win one game. We talk about. This is what we do.

[Unk]

That's what we do. Let's go boy. That's what I'm talking about.

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[Ocho]

Per the athletic, people close to LeBron aren't ruling out the possibility of him finish his career elsewhere. Brian, back to the land. If the, if the Cavaliers don't make these to conference finals, could we see LeBron coming home one last time? One time, one more time to finish his career? No, I don't see it. No. He love everything about la. Savannah loves everything about LA and his.

[Guest]

His daughter was in dance class here. She got everything going on that way. He, you know, he's really. I think he's realizing the importance of, you know, his kids and the, the direction they're going and how much they're enjoying. He ain't, he ain't going back to Cleveland now. He might go there and sign and.

[Ocho]

Say he required that one day contract. Yeah, but I don't, I don't believe he go. I don't believe he goes back. Nah, go back and do what? You playing with Luca. You play with Luca.

[Guest]

Go back and, and sit on. He got to come off the bench. I'm like. Because that, that starting five gonna be like, yo, man, we just want a chip. You ain't moving us out the way.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I agree. I agree with you. I don't see. I don't see him growing back. I mean, they, they keep saying that, but I think LeBron really loved the Lakers. I really think he loves living in L. A. I think he loves all things la. The weather is nice year round. He don't really have to have an overcoat. You know, you can have a top down damn near year round. You got water, you got beaches. I mean, everything. His businesses are in la. There's really nothing for him not to like about la.

[Guest]

And he's making a lot of movies.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Guest]

And he's doing a lot of that stuff too.

[Ocho]

So that's. Yeah, yeah.

[Guest]

All that's going on. So he, he's in the perfect place, you know, and he's playing with the legs.

[Ocho]

I mean.

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[Ocho]

I mean, Shaq is really the only one I can remember that came here and left. Kareem didn't leave. Wilt didn't leave. Kobe didn't leave. Magic didn't leave. Normally, normally when you get these.

[Guest]

Shaq didn't want to leave. He was just forced out. Who that Shaq didn't want to leave.

[Ocho]

He was just wanting money.

[Charles Oakley]

Yeah.

[Guest]

Hey, when I was in the lake.

[Ocho]

I didn't want to leave either, but.

[Guest]

I was forced out. So you don't want to leave the Lakers, man.

[Ocho]

Yeah, but yeah, I, I agree. I, I think. And plus, you know, the kids are here. I mean, it's a short trek for him to go over to shoot over to Arizona to see Bryce, to go way back to Cleveland. Zuri, his youngest daughter, his only daughter, the youngest is in, in school here to uproot her and leave her friends. I think Savannah has like carved out her own niche here in la. Yeah, I just don't see it. I mean, I know it sound good. I mean, hey, you know, those close to LeBron Ocho. I just don't see it though.

[Unk]

Yeah. Ain't going nowhere.

[Ocho]

What you thinking?

[Guest]

He'd be right. He'd be right here for a minute.

[Unk]

He ain't going nowhere.

[Ocho]

I mean, honestly, I know he kept his place in Ohio and he could always get back, but I think, I think California is going to be his home base. I think Cali is where he's going to reside when it's all said and done.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

LeBron James will be a California. He's not a native. Obviously he grew up in Akron, Ohio and he played a lot of years in Cleveland. But think about it, he's. He's almost double up the amount of time that he played in Miami here in la.

[Unk]

Yeah, most definitely. I think it also is. I think it's too many moving parts. It's too many moving parts in LA for him to be him to go back to Akron, obviously having a place there, being that that's where you grew up. He will still always have ties there. But as far as from a business standpoint and everything has going on, I, I, I'd assume it would make more sense obviously to stay here in la.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Guest]

Bigger market.

[Ocho]

Yeah. I mean but you know, he, he the type of guy that he don't really, he is the market. So he, he.

[Guest]

But hey, it's a lot more connections.

[Ocho]

Out here than isn't you, you. Absolutely. Because there's nothing that, there's nothing that in L you can't do in la. I mean, hey, pick up a phone. I don't think he wants to go back to that cold. I don't think Savannah wants to go back to the cold. I mean once you, once you get used to that warm weather, it's hard for you to go back. And if you live in Florida, if you live in la, if you live in some warm weather and say, you know, yeah, I think I want to go live in New York. I want to live in Philly, I want to live in Massachusetts. Once the, once the mo bones get used to that warm weather, I'm here for the long.

[Guest]

I think once you step out then that cold just hits you in the face one time, it's like, nah, I'm good, I'm good.

[Ocho]

Yeah. But I don't, I don't see him go, I don't see him going back there either. Falcons fans are upset that the first round draft pick Jalen Walker will wear number 11. Julio Jones is the fastest player in history to 10,000, 11,000, 12,000 and 13,000 yards. He most even averaging 100 yards a game most season with 250 yards. But the Falcons gave away his number 11 with the quickness and didn't retire it. Should that Falcons have given away A number 11? No. Yes, they should. They should not have given it away. Absolutely not. He's the best wide receiver in Falcons history. He's a bad boy.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And you know they look, I know. Dream Dre and what's the other one? White. Roddy White, 84.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

They had, you know, Billy White Shoes Johnson. They had Alfred Jenkins. Nah, Julio.

[Unk]

Different. Different. But you know, you know, owners, I.

[Ocho]

Don'T think, yeah, they didn't leave on the best return.

[Unk]

Owners don't see, see it the same way we see it, you know, in understanding what they meant for the franchise. The way fans see Julio. I mean one of the best. Not actually not one of, one of the best all time. Not only that, but one of the, the best receiver to come out of your organization and they just don't See the value in that, especially to retire Jersey.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I guess they don't seem to think nobody should get their jury retired to the. Well, let's see if they give that number eight away. What. What. What number is Michael Penny Jr. Cause Matt Ryan was eight, right?

[Unk]

Two.

[Ocho]

Matt Ryan was two. Let's see if they. Somebody give that two. You think they gonna get that two away or Joe.

[Unk]

Yeah, yeah, I listen. I mean, there was also a little. A little. Not turmoil, just a little incident. Somebody with the Browns took two from.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he already had it or he took.

[Charles Oakley]

What you mean?

[Unk]

I mean, so another player. I'm not sure who the player is. I don't. Don't. I don't. Don't quote me. I don't. I don't want to butcher anybody's name, but he chose two. And Shador have to wear 12.

[Charles Oakley]

I'm saying. I'm saying he new to the Browns or he already been there. Ojo. That's what I'm asking.

[Unk]

Yeah. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

[Ocho]

Yeah. But I definitely think Julio. They should not have given that number, that number 11, to anybody. That. That's Julio Jones want to wear it?

[Unk]

I wouldn't want to wear it.

[Ocho]

I wouldn't either.

[Charles Oakley]

That's how. That's why I'd be wondering when some of these kids be coming down, they be wanting some of these legends numbers. I'll be like, man, why would you want to even do that?

[Unk]

Yeah, yeah. You see, Abdul Carter wanted to wear 56 for the Giants.

[Ocho]

Yeah, 56. And number 11, because Phil Sims wore number 11 is retired.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

92 strays numbers retired. I think is Don Meredith numbers retired. Maybe ya tittle. I think Jazz up. Don't have many numbers retired, but they got a few. I think stray. I know straight. I think strays. Lt Sims.

[Unk]

Damn.

[Ocho]

Damn. Oh, yeah. Oh, well. Yeah. But they definitely should have Julio Jones number. Should be. They should. Nobody should wear that number. He was. He was too good. And I. I get it. See, sometimes I think Ocho people allow the last year to ruin 10 or 11 really great years. And although it didn't end on the best of terms, he's still Julio. He still. He still did a great job for that organization. He was a model citizen in the community. And that should, you know. Yeah. I mean, for him to be. To be what he was for that organization, the numbers that he put up, I definitely think he was more than deserving to have that number retired. But it happened their age. I remember when I left, I left I left Denver and went to. Went to Baltimore. They gave my number to who? Chris. What's Chris? Last name? I forget now. Yeah.

[Charles Oakley]

You won Super Bowls over there then?

[Ocho]

Yeah. What was Chris? Damn. I forget the guy's name now. In 2000, who wore number 2, 84 and 2000. But when I came back, it was in my locker, bro. I was like, you actually thought I was gonna come back here and you was gonna be 84 and I was gonna be another number? You thought that? Man, please. Chris Cole. Yeah, Chris Cole. Where's he from? Texas. That is.

[Charles Oakley]

I seen. Well, you know, playmaker. He like. He like. For the wide receivers. The way his numbers, though, Michael.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, because. Because he said they talk about here when they talk.

[Charles Oakley]

Yeah, yeah, they got their own little club going over there.

[Ocho]

They don't really. I mean, like, they don't really retire a whole lot of numbers like the Steelers. I mean, it's only a handful of people that had that. Like Joe Green, I think. I think Joe Green, 75. Terry Bradshaw, 12. Ernie Stotner. I think Ernie was 72. But they ain't a whole lot.

[Unk]

Oh, DeAndre Carter.

[Ocho]

But I mean, if they. If they. If they retired all them Steelers, great, man. You ain't gonna have no numbers like Boston. I mean, you think about swan. 88, 82, 32, 12, 47. I think Mel Blunt might. Number might be retired. Blunt. I mean, look at. Look at all those hall of Famers. They had, like five or six on defense at one time. Two receivers, the center, running back, quarterback. So that's five on offense. Joe Green, Mel Blunt, Jack Ham Lambert, Donnie Shell, five on defense. So you got 10 hall of Famers out of your 22. How you like that? Ocho, you're coaching the hall of Fame.

[Unk]

And your owner boy, the red boy, was a real deal.

[Ocho]

Yeah. And you can make a case. LC Greenwood should be in the hall of Fame, but I definitely think. Julio. They did, huh?

[Unk]

How do they have.

[Ocho]

Officially retired? Yes, officially, like Joe Green. Okay, officially retired is number 70, Ernie Stner. Ernie Stner was a. He was ID line coach when I was in Denver. Joe Green and Franco Harris, those numbers are officially retired. Unofficially retired. Terry Bradshaw, Jerome Bettis, Troy palomalu, Mel Blood, 47, and Mike Webster. I don't want none of those numbers. Mel Blood made him change the game, made him change the rules. Mike Webster, I believe, is probably the greatest center to ever play. You know, you can make a case, you know, Dwight Stevens, Jim Otto. But, hey, he's on the short list. Troy. Hey, he wanted two or three best receivers. Me, Ed. I think Ed's the greatest safety. But hey, you ain't gonna get no. You ain't gonna get no. There are some people that says hey, Troy was every bit the equal, but I just thought Ed took the ball away more, turned it into points. The volume.

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