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Nightcap Hour 1: 49ers HIRE Raheem Morris as DC + Vikings FIRE GM Adofo-Mensah while on PATERNITY LEAVE + ShuShu Carrington joins NIGHTCAP + White Sox LEGEND Frank Thomas UNHAPPY with BLACK HISTORY Post
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I mean, I I like it. The 49ers have have a have a decent defense. Obviously the the relationship that that he has with Shanahan is one of the reasons why once you come from under that tree, that umbrella and that tree, you will probably always have a job. If there's some familiarity with system and the coaches that you've been with before, it's a good hire. As far as Raheem Morris as a defensive coordinator, I'm not sure. I've never seen him.
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Rams won the Super Bowl. He was the D.C. yeah. Yes, he was the D.C. in Tampa. He became the intermediate. I remember.
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I remember that 2005 Tampa team I played. I played against. If I'm not mistaken. I gave. I gave him that work.
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Yes, but he was the D. He was the DC in, in when the Rams won the super, when they won the championship. Yep.
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They should. They. I mean, it's hard to tell because you have to think.
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And if I'm not mistaken, he was in Atlanta too, wasn't he? He was on what you call himself, D.C. dan Quinn, if I'm not mistaken. I think he was on the staff in Atlanta when they went to the Super bowl in 2016.
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You know what? You know what?
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If I'm not mistaken, I think he's.
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On that, you know, make things even easier as a DC Most of the time you look at when they've had success, look at the players he also had though, that, that makes it, that makes it that much easier. You got Fred Warner coming back. You got Bosa coming back from injury. You don't know what you're going to get in the offseason. You're not sure what you're going to draft, but so I'm sure he going to do one hell of a job, especially when once you get that, that centerpiece and Fred Warner, who is still the best linebacker in the game, players like that make his job easy, huh? They make your job very easy.
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Yeah. So he was on that staff then, although he was on the offensive side of the football. But I like it. I like this hire. There's some familiarity there. As you mentioned, he gets Bosa back, he gets Fred Warner back. I think they need some help at the corner position. Losing Hanga to the Broncos, losing Ward to Indy, that hurt. You can't keep losing your best players and think you're just going to retool. They've done a lot. The Buck, they lost Buck, they lost Armstead over the course of the years. Who are preeminent players, you know, guys that get you double digit sacks at that position. Leonard, Florida moved on. So they, they've, they've, look, they've got to retool. They're gonna have to do some things with Pie's number. They'll probably do something re, re. Rework Christian McAffrey's number. They got to get Juwan Jennings resigned. They'll probably do something with a, a, a, A George KD because KD is coming off that Achilles injury, which was really, really late in the season. So there's a possibility that he's not going to be able to go at the start, the start of the season. So we'll see how that works out. But I like this hire because Kyle and Raheem are very familiar with each other. I think Raheem does a great job spearheading the defense, and I expect them to have success. It's just. They gotta, you know, they gotta. I don't know what it is o Joe, but they've had a ish ton of injuries over the years.
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Well, I mean, obviously you guys brought it to my attention that some of the injuries are probably because of the power plant that they're next to.
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They say they're gonna look into it.
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Yeah.
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So they say they're going to look into it. The question is, is that, you know, Kyle has been to two Super Bowls as the head coach. Is this a situation where the Yorks are going to say, well, you know what? Kyle has gotten us as far as he can take us?
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Yeah, I don't think you want to do that on. You don't want to do that.
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I don't think so either. But I mean, it's a conversation that we. A question that we.
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It's questions that we have to ask. But obviously management has to understand if a coach that's continuously getting you to the super bowl, you just haven't. You haven't had opportunity to win it or you've had chances to actually win it and things didn't go right, you know, whatever it may be, maybe be clock management or, or. Or you don't do enough offensively or you don't do enough defensively. I mean, like scrapping it. Scrapping it and trying to bring another regime in all over again. I don't. I don't think that's. I don't think that's the right answer. Especially if you have a coach that's continuously getting you there. It's not as easy as it seemed or it's not as easy as. As Shanahan has made it and made it look. He's a phenomenal coach and one of the reasons why they're consistently going there despite the injuries is because of him.
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I agree, Ocho. I think the thing is, is that if you look at Seattle, I think Seattle avoided the. More the injuries. Also, with the exception of Devonte, I don't think they had really any key skill position. Players miss significant amount of time. And so when you factor that in and they were still able to win 12 games in the regular season, they were still in contention to win the division going into the last game of the season. I think that speaks volume to the level of coaching that he's done. And you think about it, he did that. No, Brandon, iu, they traded. They let Debo go. George Kittle goes down during the season and Juwan Jennings and other guys, Piersol and other guys, demarcus Robinson, guys step up. Big Trent goes down through the season, Purdy goes down. Mac Jones steps in. So I think given the fact that they've dealt with a lot of injuries and they still found ways to win ball games, they still had an opportunity late in the season to get home field advantage. I do think that speaks volume to the level of coaching that he's done. I do think they made a mistake when the Super Bowl. I think they thought if they got the football and they scored first, they would win. And you're supposed to defer in that situation because now you know exactly what you have to do. And then fourth downs become viable or all downs and you, you let, you let the Chiefs see what you did. So they know now they're going for it. They're going forward on every fourth down because they know they have to. Whereas you like, okay, fourth down, we got to take this field goal. Whereas in, in the past, if they had a field goal, who knows, maybe you kicked the field goal. Maybe you go for it to keep your chances alive. So I do think they misplayed that Ocho, that last super bowl. But if you think about it, go back ocho. They had 10 point leads in both games. They had 10 point leads in both games. And, and, and they squandered it. They made it up. Yep. They, they, they spit the bit. So I think, I think Kyle has done a great job and I think he's safe. But they're gonna have to, they're gonna have to bring some more players. They need, they need some play. They need, you know, another receiver. The. What are they going to do at tight end? Because both of the tight, the tight end, Kiddle, he. You lose him, I mean, it ain't no telling how long he's going to be out because he just, probably just had surgery. So that's at least a seven to nine month injury, Ocho. And that we're being generous. We've been very generous with that. So. And we don't know what he's going to look like once he comes back off of that injury, but I think he's safe for at least another year.
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This is, this is, this is funny to me now. Now I'm, I'm curious to hear your comments and your thoughts on it. Chat those of you that are watching. I'm not sure if you've ever, you know, played at any level as far as you've been, you've been in corporate, you be wherever you might work. You know, the birth of a child is important. Now I understand that. Being there for the birth of your child, that's one thing. But taking a leave of absence for two weeks, I mean to me that's, that's. That to me that's kind of strange a little bit. Understanding what the wife has to go through, understanding postpartum and stuff like that. Wanting to be there not only for your child but for your wife as well. It's, it's kind of, it's kind of iffy in a sense almost. You know, I, I think about his position as a GM and, and missing training camp, but being able to still be a part of whatever's going on remotely, it shouldn't be much of an issue because he's still, he's still engaged in a sense. He's just not there in person.
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You see. Now this happened in 23. Why don't you mention this in 24? Why don't you mention it in 23 when it actually happened? Why did you mention it last year? Why are you trying to salt the man up, make him look bad now? You don't fired him, okay. He made a mistake. Everybody knows that. Sam Darnold should have still been on that roster. You see what he did.
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Wait, hold on.
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I ain't got no problem. You want to fire me, fire me, but don't salt me up on the way out. All those things that may or may not have happened, you never mentioned it until you became upset with me. Now all of a sudden. Let me tell you some of the things that.
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Why we fired him.
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If I'm not mistaken, the way I hurt, the way I. I look at it, is that if I'm not mistaken, it was his first child. If I'm not mistaken, his wife was having a very difficult pregnancy.
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Yes, sir.
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Hell, they look he take the whole damn year.
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So you.
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Do you. Do you. That's his first child. That's his first child. It was. And it's not like he's playing. It's not like he's the head coach. His job is really done oo there. Tell me what he. Tell me what he couldn't do remotely that he could only do.
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I mean, he can do the same exact thing, especially as a gm, you could do the same exact thing. Whatever. Whatever situations need to be solved, he can solve them remotely and he solve those same situations. Right?
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It.
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I mean, right. Right inside, in person. I mean, I. I think it's more so. It's. It's being nitpicky in a sense. I can see some. You know, there are some players. There are some. Some. Some coaches or people in positions.
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That's a player, though, Ocho. He don't have no impact on the game. He ain't calling plays. He's not throwing the football. He's not catching the football. He's not blocking.
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So what are you angling?
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So I get it. It. And I'm not trying to diminish executive front office people, but their role is not as important once training camp start. Cause, okay, they might be a situation where a player gets released and. But if the player get released, ain't like he got to see that player in person. He comes across the waiver wire. If somebody wants to call and say, we want to trade a player, they can pick up the phone and call. He's accessible. He's just not at. Wherever they. Wherever. Wherever the training camp is. He's not there physically. He's tending to his wife, waiting for the birth of his first child, and his wife is going through a difficult pregnancy to what I understand. I don't know why. In 2023, they never mentioned this. In 2024, they never mentioned this. I'm trying to figure out why did it come out now in 25 after you fired him? Now you get rid of that. You trying to put this on this man's name? Excuse me, it's 20, 26, so. Oh, so you didn't mention it in 23. You didn't mention it in 24. You didn't mention it in 25. Now exact surround to leave. Shut the F up. I guarantee you, if your wife was having a difficult pregnancy and it was your first child, your punk asses would have been there.
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Absolutely. Absolutely. And I'm curious why the execs are trying to make this out to be a bad thing. And I'm, I'm curious because they tried.
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To make him look bad because of. The fact of the matter is it's reported that he wanted, he wanted J.J. mcCarthy. Kevin, Kevin O' Connell was like, I think we probably need to keep Sam Darnold for at least.
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So you think that was his, you think that was his. You think that was his decision?
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Yeah. So with that being said, I get it. But I think that's something like, as a player, even as a player, oo, that's something you discuss with your wife or your girlfriend. Okay, babe, if this was an important game, let's just say it's a playoff game. Let's just say it's the Super Bowl. What are we going to do? No, baby, you might not ever get a chance to play in the Super Bowl. You might not ever get an opportunity to make it back to the playoffs. I hold a fort down. Or sometimes they're induced labor before it.
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Gets to that point.
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But that is the discussion that you have with your significant other, be it wife, girlfriend, or whatever the case may be. I don't, I don't. For me, whatever is best for your situation. And I, I, everybody I know, I know some guys come hella high water. They're not missing that game.
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Yeah, absolutely. Some, some are like that. Hey, you, you're one of them. But obviously. And those, those you're having a child from, most of the women in those situations understand, listen, that what you do, your occupation is what pays the bills.
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That's how they got you that private room and all.
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That's how we're able to live the lifestyle or whatever it is you're able to provide. And they would be like, baby, listen, man, you better get out there on that field and do what you need to do. What you need to do.
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Exactly.
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Now I'll do, I'll do what's necessary on my end and I Hold off as long as I can until I actually need you. Until I actually need you.
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My grandma Ocho, you know, my granny told me, because my granny say, baby, if I pass and you gotta play the game, you play the game, I'm gone. Ain't nothing you can do. Ain't nothing you could do. You go play. I'm gonna be here when you get here. I ain't going nowhere. So for me, and all of a sudden, it's frowned upon in cultures. It's not frowned upon when they wife going through it, have a difficult pregnancy. It's not frowned upon when it's their first child. Man, they need to stop this. And I get it. I under. We haven't been a part of the NFL culture. We understand right? Fully. I really, really do. But my problem is, Ocho, is that they're trying to impugn the man's name now because when it happened, they didn't say a damn thing.
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All of a sudden they wanted to come out. So does this, does this, does that hurt him in. In a sense and being able to get another position, another general manager position somewhere else.
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I think what hurts. Look, what's gonna hurt him more is that the fact of the matter is that he let Sam Donald get out of there for little or nothing. Cause everything that Seattle gave him, he could have gave. He could have given him an incentive laden contract. I think it's three years, $107 million. I think he got 30 plus million dollars to sign. He could have done that. Okay, he made a mistake. He's not the first. Okay, let that be, Let that be it. Now we gotta add something to it. It's trying to like, we trying to get the situation like, oh, you know, you tell a story and you add a little yeast. Oh yeah.
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Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
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It seems to me this is what they're doing. They're adding a little yeast because they want to let the story go because they tried to make it seem like there were some other things that kind of rubbed us the wrong way. But this was the straw that broke.
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The proverbial the owner. You sure the owner ain't the one that had the okay and give the green light to let some Sam Donald get up out of there.
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Of course they do, Ojo. But it's the same thing with the Nico Harrison. Oh, this is why you in that position. It's the same thing with Roger Goodell. That's reason why Roger, they'll make between 60 and 100 million dollars. Because everything Roger does the 32 owners approve of. So he takes the arrow. He stands up there. And every time they have the draft, what do they do? Ocho.
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Yeah.
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Boo. Boo.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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They've been doing this for 20 years. He said, while y' all booing, you study watching 48 million. Watch the Broncos. 48 million. Watch the Seattle Seahawks, Another record year. Another record year of revenue. Hey, so all this, what you see players getting suspended and all these rules that's implemented the owners. So we trot Roger out there to take all the blows, so we stay scot free. So in other words, Roger is alignment. He's blocking for these owners. So he's the left. Left tackle, left guard, center, right guard, right tackle. He's all that. He taking all the blows.
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I'm. I'm kind of. I'm kind of mad, too. I'm kind of mad too, as a gm. The fact that you even did that, you even let Sam Donal get out of there after the season. Sam Donald had as. As a gm. I'm just saying, if I was in that position, I'm not. I'm not betting on what I don't know. I'm betting on what I've already seen. Whether you were you.
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Were you.
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Whether you were the eighth pick in the draft in the first round or not, I'm gonna have you sit because I know what I'm getting out of Sam based on what he just did with us this season, I'm not letting him walk out that door. I don't care how early we picked you. So that, that kind of, that, that, that. That's that's mind boggling to me.
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If I want to get rid of you, I can find a host of reasons. Okay. They say they want somebody that call plays. Byron left, which call plays. How many job interviews has he gotten?
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Yeah.
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Now, how many guys they interviewing? Philip Rivers. They interviewing guys that's never called plays. Brian left, which called plays with the Bucks.
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That one. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. But again, we steadily fighting for positions that they really don't want us in. Have we not. Do we not understand that yet? We can take. We continue to fight for positions that they don't want us in. And we. We consistently beg and beg and clone and clawing and they're continuously showing you. Purposely showing you that. I mean, we really don't. We really don't want you guys in these positions of power and being leader of men. Officer coordinators. Yes. Okay. Defensive coordinators. Yes. Okay.
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But ain't a whole lot of. It's not a whole lot of black Offensive coordinators. That's the most of them. Ocho are defensive coordinators or their position coaches. They're running back coach, their wide receiver coach.
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B
Yeah.
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Or tight end coach. That doesn't get elevated on that side of the football. Not as, not as readily as a DB coach, linebacker coach gets elevated to D coordinator who then gets turned. But see, let me look. Do you remember I give you a prime example in chat. Stay with me. And I know y' all remember this. Bill o' Brien was the head coach of the tennis of the the Houston Texans. Do y' all remember when he demoted Romeo Canal, elevated Mike Vrabel because it would look better for Mike Vrabel getting a head coaching job as a DC that he would a linebacker coach. He demoted Romeo. Romeo was. I think he was assistant or maybe linebacker coach. Bravo gets the job at Tennessee. What did they do? Oo they promoted repromoted Romeo Canel to the D.C. you see how they did it? You see how they did.
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They play a game within the game and if you, if, if you can see it, if you understand it from far away, you know what they doing. That's why that for the, for the life of me, I don't understand. I know it would be dope for certain coaches. Your Mike Tomlins, your Marvin Lewis is your Hugh Jackson's, all those that have had opportunity to coach at the highest level, that have gotten the opportunity to do so. But the fact in the game that they play you clear as day, not even hiding it. It's right there in plain sight to see that. We really don't want you guys in positions of power as leaders of men. We just don't like it. We just don't. And we steadily, every year we come around when the hiring cycle comes around, we sit here and we fussing when you argue, oh, they didn't hire any. Well, God damn, they continuously let you know, we don't want you, we don't want y' all there in those positions. Why y' all keep crying about it? I, I don't, I don't understand.
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Sometimes I think I talk too much. Why this is, this is why some of the stuff that we don't get afforded that some other podcasts get afforded. And I talked to you about it. I tell you some stuff. Yeah, I, I thought. Yeah, but it's because of this. I just got to be. I just got to be truthful. I'm not saying. Look, I don't have, I don't have a. I don't have any gripe because I Think Mike Brable has done an unbelievable job. He took the Tennessee Titans to the AFC championship game and now in his first year, he has a four win team. The year before he got there in the Super Bowl. So there is no questioning his ability to coach. There ain't no question in that. But I just want, I just want to part point out things of how they move. We're afraid to move like that.
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Yeah. Hey, I have a question. I mean, just let's say there's a woman, something that everybody in the chat can relate to to give you a better understanding. And you're trying to pursue this woman and she's giving you every sign in the book that you know what? I don't like you. I don't see you in that manner. I don't even want to deal with you. Matter of fact, I don't even want to be your friend, let alone date. Why am I continuously trying to fill that position knowing she don't want me?
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Yeah, I'm trying to pursue a role that's. First of all, I'm trying to pursue a role that's not available to me. It's vacant, but it's just not open to me.
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So why am I fighting to be in that position knowing they don't want me there and then if they do put me there, they're not going to give me what I need around me to be able to have success at said position.
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Same thing with Lovey. Remember they fired Lovey at Tennessee with the Bears.
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A winning season.
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It was. It was it.
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Come on, man.
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It's.
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And.
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It'S just, it's. It's. Robert. Any decent man who has witnessed the significant other have a tough time after giving birth would have done the same thing. The NFL has made it, made people prioritize the game over their family. You might win, but. But the bill always come due. Check out that in the Elway doc for reference. He's not lying. And a lot of times what happened is that because the significant other, the partner, the wife, girlfriend, whatever the case may be common law because they've sacrificed so much when you played. The hard part is Ocho when you stop playing. Because a lot of times what they say, I want to spend more time with my family, you stop playing and you don't spend more time with the family. So they said, I understood why you was trying to be the best you can possibly be. But what are we doing now? And a lot of times even if you do try to spend more time because there's so much distance you don't really know that person. You're two different people because you spent so much time away. You was living with a stranger. What the song There's a Stranger in My House. They do the NFL and most professional sports prioritize winning overall because that's what it's about. Because this is what you made it about. Because every time I say something, you. Y' all tell Ocho die. Well, he didn't win. How many games did he win? How many this. How many games did he win? So now when people want to win at all costs, and sometimes you deny family, friends, and loved ones, you do.
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You got to. As part of the sacrifice.
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A
But. And a lot of times they. They use that against you. They use that against players. They know you want to play, and they'll use it against you. I just don't like the fact that. I don't like the fact of the matter. I don't like the fact that they bring this up three years after the fact. You didn't mention it in 23. You didn't mention it in 24. You didn't mention it in 25. You could have kept this. You fired the man because you believe he made some critical errors. I. I said errors. It could be just errors. Listen, singular.
- [29:01]
B
There's one big error. There's one big error that he made on that. I can't. I can't. That was egregious. That was ridiculous.
- [29:08]
A
Okay, if you. Oh, if you want to fire him for that, yeah, fire him. But you ain't got to mention this other.
- [29:13]
B
I ain't worried about that. I ain't worried about that. But if you. If.
- [29:16]
A
And who else knew about. First of all, who knew that if. If. If I. If something happens between you and Cambodia, only you and Cambodia know. But you tell me somebody in that Minnesota organization had to tell him. Because here's the problem that you run into Ocho, you tell. Okay, I told one. I told man. I told. I ain't tell nobody, but tell one person. That one person tell 10 people. Now, there's 12 people that know what only Cambodia and UNC should have known. Ocho Cambodian was the only one supposed to be. No. Well, you know. Hey, man, let me tell you what going, man, let me tell you something, man. Cuz, if you want to get any news, the f. Man. Woman, Television. That's how you get your news out.
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B
Absolutely.
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A
Oh, we get back to this topic. We got a very, very special guest joining us. You see, he got the bells belt joining us. We got Shushu K He came through. Hey, hey. He. He did what? He did what he did. He walked. He walked him down and put. And put that shot on him. And he's like, hey, dude, had 14 seconds left. No, you. Hey, you gave the four. Piece five. Piece five. Yeah, you gave. But, but. But he had a patch over there, was closed for the weekend. He couldn't see that left eye was closed, man.
- [30:50]
D
Bro, I don't know, but that was just a crazy, crazy, crazy environment, man. Like me winning the world title. Me winning the world title in New York City.
- [31:01]
B
Excuse me, New York City.
- [31:02]
A
Msg, your hometown.
- [31:05]
D
New York City, man, I. I feel like that right there was just amazing for me to get the knockout like that in the fight like that, it was like a dream come true. Yeah, it happened any better way.
- [31:15]
B
Hey, Shoe, I know you went in, you went in, you went in the camp. Obviously, y' all came in with a game plan. Going to fight, you know, brother, brother Carlos Castro, right? At any point in the fight, did you think in the early round, did you get hurt? Were you a little bit more cautious? Were you able to. Did you have to change the game plan you went into it with after you got hit?
- [31:35]
D
You know, a little bit? Because I felt like. I think. I can't remember, was it the fourth round where I, like, he kind of hit me, like, kind of. Yeah, he clipped a little bit, and I lost my. My equilibrium a little bit. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, My eyes and everything. I wasn't dizzy, but my legs. My back leg was gone. I was like, oh. Like, I had, you know, I mean, got the back.
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A
Right, right.
- [31:55]
B
But.
- [31:56]
D
But in those moments, you know, as, like, As a champion, my mind said, like, I know I. I can't panic. I gotta stay focused.
- [32:01]
B
You can't show it. Yeah.
- [32:02]
D
Gotta get back my faculties together and make sure, like, I don't get hit. Nothing crazy, because he came back swarming.
- [32:07]
B
Yes.
- [32:08]
D
And in that moment, I was like, all right, I'm good. Throw some shots back. And just got myself back, so. But I changed. I definitely did change my approach because I noticed when I was able to give him distance, yes, punches were harder when I was giving him distance. When I was up close, I was able to smother his work. He couldn't get his punches off, and I was getting my shots. My shots are real crisp. I was like, all right, that's what we gonna do. We gonna. We gonna add a little pressure onto him, break them down as the rounds go on. And I think in the eighth round, that's when I Knew I was gonna get him out in, in the next round.
- [32:40]
B
So you, you could, you could already.
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A
So that's because it looks like what you did. Because listen, that you talk now, is that you? Look, man, I need to get, I need to get in range because I'm down range, man. He teeing off. Let me get inside and do some of this work to take some of this. Don't let him put, let him get extension on these punches. And once you got inside, bro, you started doing that work and systematically you walked him down, you broke him down. So you mentioned the eighth round, heading into the ninth. Did you knew, did you know you was gonna get him out of there?
- [33:08]
D
Yeah, my mentality was good. Definitely getting him up out of here because I noticed with the approach that I changed up. He didn't like it. And he was like, literally, I'm looking at his body, his body's getting red and his punches are coming up like, you know, a little lazier. And then at that point, his power just wasn't there at, you know, at most because I was smothering him up. And I was like, yeah, like he's really uncomfortable. He don't like that. He don't like that. So the ninth round, that's when I swear to start to put pressure on him and then add more power to my shots and my combinations. And then that's when I knew I was gonna get him up out of there. And, and one thing I noticed about him, it was like a little rhythm. Whenever I hit him, he throws right back. Hit him. I hit him with a jab. He throw a jab right back. All right, I threw a jab, caught him. I knew he was gonna throw a jab right back. I flipped it, Boom, right hand. And then I knew I caught him.
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A
He tried. Did he try to catch you with a hook?
- [34:01]
D
Thing is, when I caught him with the right hand, he was already out.
- [34:04]
A
Caught him clean.
- [34:05]
D
He was already out.
- [34:06]
A
Yeah, you got him on the butt clean.
- [34:08]
D
I know he was hurt until his arm fell limp on the back of my neck. That's when I hit him with the four piece. Boom, boom, boom, boom. And dropped him.
- [34:16]
B
Yeah. Hey, that, that was a. That was a wonderful combination. I'm, I'm curious for you, Shoe, what's next? I mean, you got the WBC featherweight title. Now who is it that you want to see next, man?
- [34:28]
D
You know? Well, you know, I got a, a fellow champion that's fighting this weekend, Nick Ball. He's fighting. He's fighting Brandon Figueroa. That's a good fight. You know, I would, I would like to fight the winner of, of either one of those guys. You know, I've been calling out Nick Ball for the past year and a half. We sent out offers, they declined offers. But now, you know, we got a little incentive now.
- [34:51]
B
Yeah.
- [34:52]
D
To make the fight happen. And then if not him, you know, I got Rafael Espinoza, you know, the, the, the, the, the six foot Mexican man. And he's a really great fighter. I would love to get in the ring with him as well. That, and then if not him, Angelo Leo. I want to fight all the champions. I want to unify.
- [35:09]
A
You trying to, you know, that's what my next question. You trying to unify this thing in this boxing game.
- [35:14]
D
And I'm just sick and tired of it. I'm one of them guys that I want to be in there putting with the best. And it's time to like, get the show on the road and continue to make boxing entertaining and get the fans what they want to see. I want to be great. I want to be known as one of the greats. And me taking that step to unify, become the first undisputed world champion in the four belt era to do it. Yeah, I'm gonna be putting history books for the photo for the rest of the days to come.
- [35:37]
B
I like that shoe.
- [35:39]
A
But you did something that, that, that, that cat. Because here's the thing, the boxing fans are gonna stay. You gotta get the casual fans so when they see shoe, shoe, go back, shoot by that action. Because that's who you got to convince to spend the $60, the $70 for that pay per view, the hard liners, the hard as Ocho say, the people that like the sweet science, they're gonna watch no matter what. It's the casual fans that you got to get them to spend 60, 70, 80 bucks on a fight.
- [36:11]
D
Well, yeah, well, that's why I call it the shushu show. The shoe show. Never. You know what I'm saying? You know, like, I bring that action. That's what this show is all about. It is, crowd please, performances. It is non stop action. It's either, you know, it's real, it's real boxing purists that they'll love it. But at the same time, I got that aggressive Brownsville style. Mike Tyson mixes that Judah Mr. Of Riddick bow, Daniel Jacobs. You know, I'm saying, like, I mix all these different guys in with my style because those are the guys I looked up to since I was a little kid. And right There is just a match made for, like, any type of entertaining fight. So the Shushu show was over. Always will, always show up and show out every single time.
- [36:56]
A
How'd you get. How do you get the nickname?
- [36:58]
D
Yeah, I wish I had the coolest story, bro. But honestly, it was just a nickname. You know what I'm saying? You know how, like, you know, neighborhood around the hood, like, oh, Dayday and new. New Mazda Shushu and. But I learned that the name Shoe is an Egyptian is the one who rises above all. And I feel like that name is very fitting for the things that I've been through in my life, you know, with a lot of the doors being closed to my face, me not being able to go to the Olympics when I qualify for it, my brother passing and him missing out on everything that we've promised ourselves that we was going to share with one another in my boxing career, in our lives, you know, it's just a lot of things that was taken from me, and I was able to rise above it because I always have faith. I always talk to God, and he always let me know and kept me sure that. Listen, you stay on this path, you're going to get everything you're asking for. Just keep working. Just keep working. No matter what I throw at you, these obstacles make you stronger. I'm not closing these doors in front of your face to discourage you. This is to make you stronger and build you. And this is one of those things where I learned, like, I'm one of his warriors. You know what I mean? And God gonna put you through all those obstacles because you're one of his warriors. And I accept that. And I take that on the chin. And now I'm here with the WBC title.
- [38:21]
B
Yeah. Hey, what's next? You won last night. Very convincing win. You didn't just won, you won convincingly.
- [38:28]
D
Yeah.
- [38:28]
B
What do you do now? How much time do you take off when you get back in the gym? How long do you let the body rest? I mean, what do you do outside of boxing?
- [38:36]
D
Well, to be honest, like, I'm.
- [38:37]
B
I'm.
- [38:37]
D
I'm always in the gym. This gym is a lifestyle for me. You know, I mean, but. But in terms of, like, you know, what's next? I gotta sit back and talk to my team. You know, I'm seeing what's next in terms of, like, won't fight and everything like that. You know, I'm always down with fighting the best, but at the same time, you know, we. We definitely gotta, you know, figure things out to where we can make these fights happen. But yeah, outside bro, I just be chilling my wife, my son and we just be just traveling and you know, I watch, I watch my anime, you know, Jujutsu Kaisen new season just came out. Dragon Ball super coming back out. You know, I mean I love and watching my anime and stuff like that and just working on myself a lot too. To be honest. I wasn't like I was not a reader and not like that. I used to not really care for reading when I was. I've really gotten into reading and you know, strengthening my brain and keeping myself sharp and just learning more things about myself and praying a lot and just doing a lot of self work. That's what I do when I'm not you know, in camp. Just doing focus on a lot of self work outside of the boxing world.
- [39:39]
B
Yeah, I know you, you don't want to disclose it here, but after a fight like that, you know, to the naked eye, for those that are boxing fans watching from afar, you look good everything you did. But from your, from, from those that are in your camp, they can see the flaws. They can see the mistakes that were made during the fight.
- [39:55]
D
Sure.
- [39:56]
B
When do you go back and re watch film and sit down with the team and figure out what, what you need to work on as far as weaknesses or flaws that you might have seen in your fight that we can't see from the outside looking in?
- [40:07]
D
I mean. Well, I'm, you know, to be honest, I head back home sometime next week. So right when I head back home, that's when we gonna like really sit down. Yeah that talk and just focus on the little nuances of the games that we could fix. This is always something that you can always fix. It's never like a perfect fight. You know, if you get hit at least once in a fight, you made a mistake and we try to reach jobs for perfection and in that fight, you know, obviously I got caught a couple times here and there. So we definitely want to continue to minimize that so we could have more longevity in this sport and continue to take over and you know, continue to shoot world order, you know what I mean? Like that's just, you know, you know, I like to. I'm ushering in a lot of things, man. You know, like what would Denzel said shoe program, you know, I mean.
- [40:56]
B
I like it.
- [40:56]
D
So. So yeah, I'm ushering a lot of things right now and so watch next fight. You're gonna see an even better person from Carrington.
- [41:05]
B
Hey, matter of fact, before the next fight, if you need another. You need another sparring partner, man, you know, I can come. I can get in. I come in the camp with you.
- [41:13]
D
Oh, so don't hurt yourself, man.
- [41:17]
B
Shoot. I'm just telling you I can get some work, especially if you fighting fighters that are a little taller.
- [41:21]
D
Oh, no, for sure.
- [41:22]
B
Yeah, man. Holla at your boy, you know.
- [41:25]
D
No, on the road, I'm down with that. For real. For real.
- [41:26]
B
Because I ain't gonna hurt you.
- [41:29]
D
Nah, you can't hurt me. You know that.
- [41:31]
B
No, I'm just saying I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna hurt you.
- [41:33]
D
No, no, you can't hurt me.
- [41:34]
B
You can't hurt me.
- [41:35]
D
But y' all know that I'll be spawning dudes your size, too, because, you know, Rafa Espinoza, he's like, yeah, one. You know, of course, I'm getting ready to, you know, fight him in the future. So I've had some experience, smaller guys his size, it's a little taller.
- [41:51]
B
So.
- [41:51]
D
Yeah, not definitely. We could daily. We could definitely share the ring at some point.
- [41:54]
B
Okay. Okay. Okay. You heard that, huh?
- [41:57]
A
Yeah, I heard you.
- [41:58]
B
Yeah. Shoot.
- [41:59]
A
You had over two. I mean, you had a bunch of amateur fights. I mean, off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone but Lomo that had as many amateur fights as you had. What did you learn in all those amateur fights? Because you had over 250 wins. So, I mean, to have that many fights, because a lot of. Especially now, guys are not having nearly the amateur fights that you have. The 200. I think Lomo is over 300amateur fights. What did you learn in those amateur fights that you like? You know what? This is enough. I mean, I think you probably could have Learned enough in 100 fights or 150 fights.
- [42:30]
D
You know, believe it or not, like, it was all about timing. You know, I was the Olympic alternate for the 2016 team at that time. I was 19 years old, and I had about 100 and something fights around that time. But I didn't have any international experience. I didn't really fully grow into, you know, my power, nothing like that. And my style and my identity as a fighter. And to be honest, mentally, I wasn't even really there, you know, in terms of believing in myself and everything like that, too. So there was still a lot of growth that I needed to do physically and mentally around that time. I could have went pro, because alternate for the Olympics, that's pretty good on a resume, you know, to. You can negotiate some decent deals as a pro, but it wasn't enough. I was being honest with myself. So I waited four more years. So I went to the 2020 Olympics, and with that, I grew a lot of confidence, grew a lot of experience, got the international experience. And then on top of that, I got to see so many different styles to where it was like, I was so confident by the time I turned pro that I was able to see a lot of things and not feel like I'm gonna visit something that I haven't seen before. And that's a scary feeling when you get inside the ring and some dude's doing some things and you'd be like, yo, I did not see this coming. Like, what type of style is this? I got a lot of experience at this point.
- [43:48]
B
Now, that's dope.
- [43:51]
A
Yeah. Well, congratulations, Shushu. You did an unbelievable job last night. You gave the fans, I mean, fighting in your hometown, Madison Square Garden, probably something you only dreamed of as a child. And to get an opportunity to fight in the Garden, the most famed arena, and you get to do it in front of your home crowd in your hometown, and you put on a show, you turn the lights out of the building. Congratulations. We're going to wish you the best of luck and come back and see us again.
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D
Appreciate y' all for having me, man. Thank you so much.
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A
Appreciate it. You have a good one, Ocho. It's officially Black History Month. White sock legend Frank Thomas is not happy with his former team. On Sunday, the White Sox posted a graphic in honor of Black History Month honoring some of the momentous first of the organization. The graphic highlighted events such Minnie Mosa Mini Mini Mosa breaking the franchise color barrier in 1951. Al Smith becoming the first black all star in team history. But the greatest player, Frank Thomas, was not mentioned anywhere. The hall of Famer posted this on X. I guess the black player who made you rich over there and holds all your records is forgettable. Don't worry, I'm taking receipts, Ocho. Frank Thomas was the first black player to win back to back American League MVPs. How in the world do you forget to include him when you're celebrating black history? That's not to say these other guys, you couldn't have mentioned those other guys because the first guy to broke the color barrier with Jackie Robinson. And then you had, I think Doby for the Indians later, and then he was the first for the the White Sox. So that's not to say you put Frank in and take them out. I just believe you could have included.
- [45:36]
B
But what made black history Month that the team, that organization, understanding what he's done for that organization when he was there, when he was playing, they understand what he meant and what he did. Obviously if he was left out, he was left out for a reason. I'm not sure if there are any quarrels or any rifts with people that are, you know, up there in management where he left a bad taste in their mouth outside of that. That's some of the games and things that they do to you when you burn bridges with people when, when, when it's time to celebrate you in a manner like today, Black History Month, they leave you off of stuff and they know that it would bother you, which is probably why they did it. That's probably why they did it. I, I hate giving people the satisfaction of having control and knowing that they control how I feel. I, I hate when players do this. There's, there's no need to react, you know what you've done for them. You don't need to seek validation based on the black History post because of what you did in the past when you played for a certain organization. Because sometimes this will let you, this will tell you exactly how they feel you, no matter what you've done to. Done for them. They don't care. They don't care. That's, that's why they're able to have the power that they do when you are, when you're no longer valuable to them.
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A
He's the leader in home runs.448 RBI is 1465 runs, 1327 doubles.447 Waltz, 1466 slugging percentage.568 on base percentage.427.
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B
Can I tell you something? Everything. You just named the. All those statistics, his resume, his accolades, they're set in stone. They're not going nowhere. They're not. So the fact that needing for validation because in Black History Month from them, when you know what you've already done is unnecessary. Why give them the satisfaction of knowing that you even care? That's why they did it. That's why they did it. That's why those voters that in the hall of Fame, that's why they do what they do because they know you care. Having that much power.
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A
Hey, listen, I think I, I think it's the whole thing.
- [47:42]
B
I'm just saying in general, having that kind of power, knowing that they had that kind of power over individuals and knowing they want to be in like. Come on, man.
- [47:52]
A
Let me ask you a question. How much do you make as a rookie?
- [47:54]
B
Me?
- [47:56]
A
Yeah.
- [47:56]
B
Oh, that's a good question. I don't even know what.
- [48:00]
A
Let's just say you made. Okay, what if they played you 200,000 all the way through? They don't give you the validation of being a pro bowler. They don't give you the validation because money is a form of validation. Also, See, you think it's just about mentioning in names and in record books, but money is the greatest form of validation. So let's just say, for the sake of argument, the bingo say, nah, we good. We're gonna pay you 200,000. Take it or leave it. And every team that comes along says, ocho, we pay you 200, 000. You okay with that? You gonna play because you say you don't need validation?
- [48:30]
B
Hypothetical. That doesn't make sense. You're paying for my. No, no, no, no, no. It doesn't make sense because you're paying for my services. You're paying for what I'm able to do on the field. Are they validating for a skill set?
- [48:41]
A
Are they paid. Are they validating your services as one of the best and paying you as such?
- [48:46]
B
No, I wouldn't take it.
- [48:47]
A
That.
- [48:48]
B
That makes no sense. That makes no sense to what I just said. You're telling me. You're asking. You're asking. He's upset because they didn't recognize what he did. Because it had nothing to do.
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A
No, you said that. You said validation. You don't need validation, so why would they need to pay you X. Because money is a form of validation.
- [49:09]
B
You're. Because you're paying me for my service, for the position that I play. What are you talking about?
- [49:13]
A
So what? So what? Are they validating your play as what? One of the top receivers. Okay, so they're validating you by paying you what, Money?
- [49:23]
B
But I'm still playing. We're done. You don't play for them anymore. What do you need the validation for?
- [49:30]
A
So. So let me ask you a question. So when they tried to put you up in the ring of honor, why did you say no? Why did you show up?
- [49:36]
B
I never had a problem with it. What do you mean?
- [49:40]
A
That's a form of validation.
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B
O joke to me. I've never had a problem with it. If I didn't go up, I wouldn't give a. Oh, excuse me, man. If I didn't go up, I wouldn't care.
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A
But you showed up, so you were appreciative of it, right? Of course.
- [49:53]
B
Because of what I did when I was on the field.
- [49:56]
A
Thank you.
- [49:57]
B
Again.
- [49:58]
A
If I.
- [49:59]
B
If I didn't go Up. I wouldn't care. I'm going.
- [50:02]
A
That's hypothetical. But you went up. But like you just told me, that's hypothetical. You went up.
- [50:08]
B
Hey, am I in the hall of Fame?
- [50:12]
A
The bingo hall of fame, yellow jacket like you do?
- [50:17]
B
Do I care? Absolutely not. No. Because.
- [50:22]
A
I don't know if you care. Don't care.
- [50:24]
B
My numbers, my stats, and what I did is what it is. It's solidified. It's not going nowhere. I'm not giving people the satisfaction of thinking they have control over how I feel about wanting to be a part of something as prestigious as it is. I would never. It's cool. I don't need your validation because what.
- [50:43]
A
I did is set in stone. Let me ask you a question. If you weren't seeking validation when you put that jacket on the sideline, why.
- [50:51]
B
Did you let them know I don't need your validation?
- [50:53]
A
Because why was it a gold jacket? Why was it a go.
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B
Listen. Listen, what you just said. If I wasn't seeking validation, why would I put my own jacket on? Because I don't need yours. Yes, that's why.
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A
Because why was it gold? Why was it gold? If. Why was it gold? Tell me, why was it golden?
- [51:11]
B
Because I'm showing you. I don't. I'm not waiting on you at this moment, I feel I'm hall of Fame worthy. I don't care whether you put me in or not. That's the point.
- [51:19]
A
But obvious.
- [51:19]
D
But.
- [51:20]
A
Oh, I'm. I'm trying to figure out. You could have put a red jacket on. You could have put a blue jacket on. Okay, then. So you do.
- [51:28]
B
No, I do not.
- [51:29]
A
You wouldn't have put a gold jacket on.
- [51:31]
B
You know, look how I conducted myself as a player. Think about how. No, let me finish. Think about how I conducted myself as a player. Did I conduct myself as a player that cares or needed validation from anybody? Think about it. Did I ever change? Did I ever conform to how they said I should have been?
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A
Play.
- [51:52]
B
Ocho, if you want to be a part of the hall of Fame, you need to conduct yourself this way if you want to be regarded as one of the best. To play the game, you need to conduct yourself. Did I ever change? In the entirety of my 11 year career, did I ever change? I'm asking you. I stayed authentically and true to who I. To who I was.
- [52:11]
A
Letting you know.
- [52:12]
B
I don't care. That's why I made my own jacket.
- [52:15]
A
Your play. Your play was going to validate the hall of Fame. Not your antics, not the celebrations that's.
- [52:23]
B
What I'm telling you. I didn't care in my plate, my play in general. My numbers in general.
- [52:29]
A
Yes.
- [52:30]
B
Solidified just that. Whether you want to put me in or not.
- [52:34]
A
But I'm looking at. I'm looking at the NBA. They got, like, orange jackets. I'm looking at mlb. They got blue jackets. Why did you pick one of those? Because they have nothing to do with football.
- [52:44]
B
And I don't know what their jacket look like because I don't play in the NBA. I don't play in the mlb. But I know what the ones that. I know the ones.
- [52:52]
A
Why. Why do you. Why do you need to let people that. That says, you know what? I don't need your validation. Why would you choose a gold jacket?
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B
Because that's the jacket that y' all wear.
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A
Why do you care?
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B
I don't care.
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A
You don't need it. You don't want that.
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B
Which is why I made my own.
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A
Okay, so why'd you go get a gold jacket?
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B
That is why I made my own. And I'm telling you, and I'm showing you that's. I. I made the message clear when I was still playing.
- [53:16]
A
But a part of me thinks that.
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B
No, you know, you don't know me long enough. Don't do that.
- [53:21]
A
Don't. Don't.
- [53:22]
B
Nick, come on, now. Don't do that. Don't do that. One thing about that's. I. I love you to death. I love you to death. And you know, that's something that. I don't care about you. You. You know that.
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A
Hold on. Me, personally, I think. I think you're more than wor.
- [53:39]
B
Do you see what they did to Bill? You see what they did to Bill?
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A
Listen, listen. What they did.
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B
You see what they did to.
- [53:45]
A
You see what they did first? He's not going to be the last.
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B
I would never, ever, ever give those that never had to coach against me, that never had to try and stop me. Tell me whether I'm worthy to put on that jacket, man.
- [53:59]
A
But my point is. Okay, let's just say for the sake of. Talk to me. You're not a ballot or a second ballot. Hall of fame. But guess what? Yo, yo, yo, yo. Whether you're first, second, third, 15th, sometimes they're going to the senior committee. You're in the hall of fame. With that being said, I think your resume speaks for itself, because I'm basing Ocho on the time that he played. So basically, from I'm gonna say, what, 2001 until 2010. That body work so let's compare Ocho against the other receivers from 2001 to 2010. That's all we can compare it to. I can't look at Ocho and say, well, because people gonna say, man, Ocho numbers better than Liam Swans. Ocho number better than John Stalwart. But they didn't throw the ball. I got to look at Ocho in the area.
- [54:49]
B
You see how. You see how you're doing it and you comparing it. Those folk don't think the way we think. And I understood that. I. Them folk don't like me, man. We can't get this.
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A
I think they do like me. Some of them do.
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B
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Remember, we. Remember we went to high school and there was one bad little kid that was in the principal's office. That was me. I enjoyed. Hey, listen, I enjoyed. I embraced being that villain. I. I came into the NFL with one thought. Yes, with one thought.
- [55:16]
A
I would get your money.
- [55:17]
B
That. That too. You know, I don't care about that because I kept giving that back every goddamn week. But I want to be one of the best to play the position. That's it. I wouldn't worry about no jacket and all that good stuff. Okay? That was it. I want to come out here.
- [55:28]
A
I want to have fun. Where did they send the best to play the position in a particular sport when they are. When the career is done? What did they send the best that play a position when their career is done, no matter the sport, be it tennis, be it baseball, be it football, be it basketball, what, soccer, whatever the sport. So whatever. Whatever it is. You said I wanted to be the best. You were the Pro bowls In a 10 year span, you went to six Pro Bowls. You at all pro. So that speaks for itself.
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B
Now.
- [56:01]
A
I think the thing is, Ocho, I think that I don't. Because you didn't get in trouble. You wasn't getting, you know, look, look, you had a little hiccup, but your career, I mean, and it ended. But that. But I'm sitting. Listen to me. You didn't get in trouble when you weren't speeding and you weren't fighting and you weren't doing all this other stuff. Yeah, the, the, the. The dancing sombrero and all that stuff. That's entertaining. They not supposed. They're not supposed to use. They're supposed to use. What did Ocho do on the field? Somebody got that Honda Cash. No. 1300, 1400 yards.
- [56:37]
B
They don't care about that. They don't. You know that. Come on now.
- [56:40]
A
Why you think about it?
- [56:41]
B
Because I refuse to change. And I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't. But, man, you know. You know what's funny?
- [56:48]
A
What Theo didn't change and what they do to him. They did. It was a nc. That's why. Look, I'm upset that they did. I. I'm upset what they did to coach Belichick, but I'm not nearly. And you know, I was on. I was on net. I was on network television.
- [57:06]
B
Absolutely.
- [57:06]
A
I was livid.
- [57:08]
B
Yeah.
- [57:10]
A
But I just. I knew it from being around because, like, when you're on network television, you see these people a lot more. I don't see a lot of the voters like I used to ocho, because you got 33 riders that write 14. And then you got what you got 18 independent. So you got 50 men and women that go into a room that never played the game that tell. Would that at the end of the day try to tell you how great you were?
- [57:37]
B
You see what I mean? I hate the fact that I'm seeing players that played the game. Blood, sweat and tears. You have 50 people that didn't play the game voting. And I got players that. They see no value, no value in their career unless these people let them in. They beg and they. No, no disrespect. Begging, crying. Oh, I should have been like. And you got these people over here. They have control over that. I will never give nobody the satisfaction. As great as it is, I would.
- [58:12]
A
Think they like you. I would think.
- [58:15]
B
Let me. You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna do one better for y' all when I cross.
- [58:19]
A
What you gonna do tonight when I.
- [58:21]
B
Score against the Ravens, I crossed 10, 000 yards on that night. I already had my jacket. I pre planned it whether y' all put me in or not. Hell, I'm hall of fame and the jacket I got is one on one. I didn't made a 14 carat gold bust. It's like. No, you laughing. I pro. I swear for God on my grandma, my mama rest in peace.
- [58:41]
A
Why you need 4Tk?
- [58:42]
B
Hey, because that's 101. That's value. Listen to me. I got. I gotta sit on. I'm show it to you. When my room is done, it's gonna be sitting right under the. Under the nightcap sign. It says hall of fame, and instead of Canton, Ohio, it says Liberty City under it. And then no, you laughing. I'm dead ass. And listen, my Jersey under the nightcap sign. My jersey gonna be the same jacket I put on on the sideline. I found it, so I'm gonna have it framed. And, man, Uncle, I ain't got time to play. That's one. Now that. That to me, as great as it is, it's awesome because I'm not. Wait. I'm not waiting on y'.
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A
All. I'm gonna steal that bus. No, no, no, no.
- [59:20]
B
Don't do that.
- [59:21]
A
Come on.
- [59:21]
B
No. Come on. You know how much that cost me? Don't do that. Don't do that.
- [59:24]
A
Don't do that. I'm gonna milk. I'm gonna milk 5,900 of it.
- [59:28]
B
Now, I told you I'm gonna give you your money.
- [59:29]
A
So that might give your money in four more days. That might be an ear.
- [59:32]
B
Four more days.
- [59:32]
A
That might be an ear. That might be an ear.
- [59:35]
B
No, I'm giving Your Money on February 5th at the Live show. I promise.
- [59:40]
A
I don't. I think I want to steal something. I ain't stole nothing in a while.
- [59:44]
B
Black History Month. If you want to see it, wait till March. Yeah, if you want to see a way tomorrow. Don't do. Don't do it in a Black History Month. You're supposed to be my brother.
- [59:53]
A
Yeah, okay. This is what my brother would. You go ahead and chop an ear off.
- [59:57]
B
Chop a who? I ain't gonna be able to hear.
- [60:00]
A
Hey, bring it to me. It's a bus. You'll be able to hear. You'll be just fine.
- [60:07]
B
Baby. Hey, let me have a Red Bull, please. Unc. Got me in here sweating in a paper towel.
- [60:15]
A
Hey, hey, Chad. Y' all see. Y' all see how my neph turn on me?
- [60:18]
B
Oh, no, no. We good. Hey, listen, we ain't had a comment. We had a conversation like this since we were talking Bud and boots, remember? I wanna.
- [60:30]
A
You got. Hey, Chad. Shisty Shay. I guess he gotta make it.
- [60:35]
B
I got. No, you don't. You know you good. I got you. I promise you. I got you. I got you.
- [60:40]
A
Okay. I, I, I've waited long enough, Ocho, and I don't. I don't. I don't want to do this, but I think the chat, Chad. What y' all think?
- [60:48]
B
The chat. The chat. Understand completely. It's Black History Month, Chad.
- [60:51]
A
What y' all think?
- [60:52]
B
Hey, black on black violence. You don't want that. This is a month.
- [60:56]
A
Ain't gonna be no violence. I'm in and out.
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B
Where I'm be at.
- [61:01]
A
One of your mini trips.
- [61:03]
B
Nah, the next trip we gonna Be in the same place.
- [61:07]
A
Ocho, you know, I know you be traveling.
- [61:10]
B
The only trail that I'm doing. Football season is over. Unless we have somewhere to go and it's work, I'm gonna be here at home.
- [61:15]
A
Oh, no. You'll be traveling, huh? You'll be traveling. So I got to get you, Ocho. I mean, you came in my house and stole your plaques. See? You see how you do it, Chat. That's he Kiki kid about that. But he want me. He told me don't do that in black history.
- [61:38]
B
Yeah.
- [61:39]
A
Hey, listen, wait till March.
- [61:40]
B
It's. It's 12 months out the year. There's one month we should not attack each other. We shouldn't steal from each other because they left other months where you could do what you need to do. So again in March, if you want to come in here and break in and have to deal with security, have to deal with, you know, the alarm going off, that's on you.
- [61:57]
A
That's okay.
- [62:02]
B
Hey, one thing about it. God is good.
- [62:04]
A
Why he is he gonna be good to me? Get me in and out of the house without tripping out alone.
- [62:11]
B
You're gonna trip it. You're gonna trip it. I got motion sensor. I got everything. Ring, the ring and all that. Hey, when I'm not here and I hit the alarm, I got beams of light. And you can't see the beams, but if you cross the beam, boom. The police would be here in like one minute.
- [62:30]
A
You got cameras in the house?
- [62:32]
B
Yep. One over there in the corner. One in that corner.
- [62:36]
A
I'm gonna take a dump in that game room. I'm gonna take a dump in that game room.
- [62:42]
B
God damn.
- [62:44]
A
I'm gonna drink me some milk and some apples stomach.
- [62:48]
B
Don't do that. Hey, matter of fact, speaking of, you know what that remind me of? You saw the movie Alpha Dog, baby.
- [62:53]
A
Like I smashed a pumpkin.
- [62:54]
B
You heard me. You saw the movie. You saw the movie Alpha Dog. Remember when he took a dump it in the living room? Oh, that's classic.
- [63:07]
A
What y' all think, Chat?
- [63:08]
B
Oh, the chat definitely not gonna agree with that. Absolutely not.
- [63:14]
A
Chad. What y' all think I should that y' all think I should go chop 1 ocho gold 14 karat gold ear off his bus?
- [63:21]
B
Don't do that because that. Hey, that's a one on one.
- [63:24]
A
Drink me some chocolate milk, eat two apples. Just the peels because that's where all the fiber is just appealing.
- [63:31]
B
You don't need to do that. I told you I'm paying you on February 5th.
- [63:35]
A
I'm gonna start in the game room and probably end by the front door.
- [63:38]
B
Not. Yeah, don't do that.
- [63:40]
A
And then I'm gonna do, like a dog. Scooch my butt on the carpet on that white car. What else? You got white in the house? You got a couch that's white.
- [63:51]
B
Everything all white from upstairs down.
- [63:54]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [63:57]
B
No, don't do that. Don't do that. Yeah, don't do that.
- [64:01]
A
I'm gonna find that LV jacket that you wore.
- [64:03]
B
Which one?
- [64:04]
A
They're like, man, this joker took. Hey, somebody in the LV jacket took a dump in ocho.
- [64:08]
B
I took that back. I got my money back.
- [64:11]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [64:12]
B
I had a receipt. You really, Man. Man. Hey, I keep the receipt on everything. Boy, it's going right back.
- [64:21]
A
That was nice.
- [64:22]
B
It was nice, but I wasn't gonna need it no more. I live in Miami. I knew I was going to New York. Boom. Got that toy. That 12 went right back on my card.
- [64:32]
A
Let me get that. Get what you could. You could. You could. Let me get that ultra fit. Nah, I probably need a double X. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even though I've been doing cardio like crazy, I still.
- [64:44]
B
I ain't what you weigh right now. You think about two, what, 220?
- [64:50]
A
Probably like 265.
- [64:51]
B
Damn, you fat.
- [64:56]
A
265. I'm gonna get down. I'm gonna get down to. I'm gonna get down to. I think my best. I. I talked to my trainer. He putting the program together with eating and. And. And. And. And supplements. I'm gonna get down to 247. That. I. I think that is the best for my 54th birthday. If you guys see my. My ignition, that is the best that. I think that's the best I've looked in my 50s.
- [65:19]
B
Hold on. What if. What if you get back to your playing weight? Will you, like.
- [65:22]
A
No, no.228. Oh, hell. Too small, boy. Somebody go think I'm on crack. Hell, no. And I'd have to kill myself. I got to get to. I got to get to a weight ocho that I don't have to kill myself.
- [65:38]
B
Okay, okay, okay, okay.
- [65:39]
A
I'm eating ketchup with a knit needle. I'm doing three hours of cardio a day.
- [65:43]
B
Three hours of cardio. Yeah.
- [65:46]
A
To get to. Get back down to 328. Yeah.
- [65:48]
B
Okay, okay, okay.
- [65:51]
A
So that's. That is my ideal. 247. I think 247 is good. I can maintain it. I'm good. I'm changing like, you know, your body's kind of gotten the nutrients that you eat. You, you've been eating the same thing for too long. And so I want, I want to put some, I want to put some variety. I want you eating cream of weed, I want you eating cream of rice. I want you to eat, you know, different, different proteins. I want you to get some fruit. I want you to start eating more apples, bananas, pineapples, things like that, berries. So that's, that's like I said, if you go back and look at the picture that I took, I was 54 years of age. That's, that's the best that I've looked at in my 50s now. I took some pictures. I'm trying to get those that I took when I was about 45. I was about 2, about 257. That's about 6 1/2% body fat. But I was just like, no, break out now. That's too much. That's too much muscle. Too much. That's too much. And I don't want to lift like that. My shoulder, I can't, I can't, I can't handle that kind of weight the way I was handling it back then. And I understand. And it took me a while to get past that. Ocho. I got, my elbows hurt, my shoulders hurt, you know, lifting, you know, you know, 365 for 10 12. I was like, nah, I'm good.
- [67:10]
B
Damn, are you strong, boy?
- [67:12]
A
I'm good. Yeah. Yeah. And squatting, I can't, I mean, I can still squat, but I just can't squat like I used to.
- [67:19]
C
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