Nightcap Hour 1: A.J. Brown MEETS with Eagles OWNER + Shedeur Sanders makes NFL DEBUT + Ja’Marr Chase is FOUL for SPITTING on Ramsey

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Nightcap Hour 1

Host: Shannon Sharpe & Chad "Ocho Cinco" Johnson
Date: November 17, 2025
Episode Highlights: A.J. Brown’s meeting with Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie, Shedeur Sanders’ unexpected NFL debut, and Ja’Marr Chase’s controversial altercation with Jalen Ramsey.

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Overview

In this “Nightcap Hour 1” episode, Shannon Sharpe and Ocho Cinco dig into the bigger narratives from Week 11 of the NFL, featuring a grinding Eagles victory, a dramatic quarterback debut by Shedeur Sanders, and a heated clash between Ja’Marr Chase and Jalen Ramsey. The hosts deliver sharp game analysis, personal reflections, and candid critiques, all while engaging directly with fans and each other about the biggest controversies and performances from Sunday’s slate.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Eagles Defeat Lions, Ugly but Effective

[03:29–15:00]

• Game Recap: Eagles beat Lions 16–9 in a defensive struggle, moving to 8–2. The weather in Philadelphia (gusting 30–40 mph) and conservative gameplay shaped the contest.
• Pass Interference Controversy: Shannon calls out a questionable PI call that influenced the outcome.

  “I think that was a horrible pass interference call. That's a play on. Because, you know, it could have went either way. But I don't think... it was a PI.” — Shannon Sharpe [05:00]

• Eagles’ Resilience: Despite lackluster offensive numbers, Eagles’ defense dominated. Jordan Davis and the defensive front were particularly effective, batting balls and limiting Detroit’s explosive offense.
  • “That goddamn Eagles defense, boy, them boys play some goddamn ball. Especially that front four. Jordan Davis had him a night tonight.” — Shannon Sharpe [10:26]
  • Jared Goff had his worst completion percentage in any game he’s played (37.8%).
• Running Down the Numbers: Jalen Hurts (14/28, 135 yards, no TDs, no INTs), A.J. Brown (7 catches, 49 yards on 11 targets), Saquon Barkley (26 carries, 83 yards).
• Coach Dan Campbell’s Decisions: The group questions Campbell’s aggressive calls.

  “There are times that, you know, punt the ball away and pin them down, make them go. Don’t give them a short field.” — Ocho Cinco [11:42]

• Playoff Implications: Weather’s a major equalizer for dome teams like Detroit, and Philadelphia’s wins over other contenders are highlighted for significance.

2. A.J. Brown’s Meeting with Eagles Owner

[27:45–34:42]

• Private Meeting Goes Public: Shannon discusses the rare, widely covered meeting between WR A.J. Brown and Eagles’ owner Jeffrey Lurie, which addressed Brown’s public frustrations over his role.
  • “Normally players and owners don't have closed door meetings. That's... No, I've never had a — I did once I was retired.” — Shannon Sharpe [05:45]
  • “AJ Brown met with Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie during practice last week to hash out Brown's public frustration over his role in Philly's offense... Brown promised Lurie that he will stop complaining on social media.” — Shannon Sharpe [27:59]
• Keeping it In-House: Ocho and Shannon agree that such frustrations should remain internal, but acknowledge Brown likely already had numerous private conversations with the coaching staff and QB.
• Stagnant Offense: Both hosts point out the lack of creativity in the Eagles' offense and predictability in A.J. Brown’s usage:
  • “I can tell you — Based on A.J. Brown's alignment, I can tell you exactly what route he's running. That's not good.” — Shannon Sharpe [33:32]

3. Shedeur Sanders' Unexpected NFL Debut

[39:19–68:03]

• Thrown Into the Fire: Shedeur Sanders entered for the Browns after Dylan Gabriel was concussed, with no prior snaps with the first team. Sanders’ stat line: 4/16, 47 yards, 1 INT.
  • Hosts criticize Browns’ coach Stefanski for not giving Sanders at least minimal first-team reps in practice.
  • “At no point in time had he taken one snap with the ones is very, very disappointing.” — Ocho Cinco [40:20]
• Learning the Hard Way: Both discuss the importance of QB–receiver timing and comfort with cadence, chemistry, play packages, and custom game plans.
  • “You don't just take out one quarterback and put another quarterback in and expect success to happen, especially when you haven't had any reps with the ones.” — Ocho Cinco [40:34]
  • They compare backup QB preparation to showing up to a test without receiving the syllabus.
• Sanders’ Poise and Attitude: Sanders’ postgame comments emphasize the need to learn receiver tendencies and build confidence.
  • “Playing quarterback is extremely hard. So it's like I like knowing every detail about my receivers.” — Shedeur Sanders [60:21]
• Support & Encouragement: Miles Garrett publicly supported Sanders, reminding him:

  "Don't be discouraged from no one drive or two drives... keep on chasing that standard in which he set." — Miles Garrett [61:29]

• Hosts’ Consensus: Sanders’ performance is “incomplete” and not an indictment of his ability. They expect improvement with more prep and reps.

4. Ja’Marr Chase Spits on Jalen Ramsey – Breaking Down the Incident

[69:18–82:47]

• Heated Rivalry Moment: In the Steelers’ 34–12 win, a late-game brawl resulted in Ramsey being ejected for punching Chase, after Chase allegedly spit on him.
  • Both players denied blame post-game, but video confirmed Chase spat.
  • "He spit me, so it's up. I don't give about football after that, respectfully." — Jalen Ramsey [70:22]
  • "I never. I ain't never opened my mouth to that guy." — Ja'Marr Chase [70:35]
  • “That was not a spray. And he did it. And he lied to reporters and he said, I ain't open my mouth. You did, Chase. You wrong, bro. You wrong.”— Ocho Cinco [73:34]
• Cultural and Personal Significance: Shannon and Ocho lay out why spitting is "the most disrespectful thing you can do," referencing personal and historical context.
  • “Come on, Chase, we got to be better than that. We can't do that to each other.” — Ocho Cinco [75:46]
  • “If you spit on somebody, whatever that individual does to you after that, I'm good with." — Ocho Cinco [76:47]
• Handling Mistakes: Ocho urges Chase to own up, apologize personally to Ramsey, and move forward.
  • “All you had to do is say, Ram, I'm sorry. You should have made peace with that man.” — Ocho Cinco [79:04]
• Predicted Consequences: Expectation the NFL will suspend Chase for a game and fine Ramsey. Both hosts agree Chase isn't defined by this act but stress accountability.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Eagles’ adaptability:

  “They're not going to win style points... Winning is — this is not gymnastics, this is not swimming... It's about wins and losses.” — Shannon Sharpe [14:21]

• On Dome teams' playoff struggles:

  “There's a reason why dome teams don't go to the Super Bowl unless they're in their own building. Because when you have to go outside... It's really not conducive.” — Ocho Cinco [18:14]

• Ocho’s Advice to Ja’Marr Chase:

  “When emotions are high, logic is low... All you had to do was say, Ram, I'm sorry my emotions got the best of me... Just own it.” — Ocho Cinco [73:34]

• Shedeur’s readiness reality check:

  “It's like showing up your first day of class, and the teacher gave you a test... you ain't even give me the syllabus.” — Ocho Cinco [65:51]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Eagles-Lions Analysis.......................................... [03:29–17:49]
• A.J. Brown–Owner Meeting / Eagles Offense........ [27:45–34:42]
• Shedeur Sanders’ Debut & Implications................ [39:19–68:03]
• Chase vs. Ramsey Spitting Incident......................... [69:18–82:47]

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Tone & Delivery

The conversation throughout is candid, anecdotal, humorous, and – when necessary – seriously reflective. Both Ocho and Shannon blend competitive insights with the wisdom of their own NFL experiences, not shying away from tough calls or personal accountability.

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Summary for New Listeners

This Nightcap episode offers more than game recap – it’s a window into authentic locker room mentality, the business and politics of the NFL, and the emotional realities athletes deal with. From controversial officiating to the responsibilities of star players and the human side of rookie debuts, Ocho and Shannon give listeners the who, what, and why on every headline — always with honesty, perspective, and a little comedy.

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I personally don't think it was a PI. Oh, yes, I don't. But that's being said. The Eagles win this ball game. They moved to 8 and 2 with a 16. 9 victory and the Lions dropped the 6 and 4. Ocho. Yeah, we're going to talk about this a little later, but there was a meeting between A.J. brown and the owner, Jeffrey Lurie. We'll talk about that. So I chat it didn't happen because you know y' all gonna get mad at Ocho and I for talking about it. Y' all gonna say it didn't happen, although everybody has reported that it did happen. You keep telling Ocho and I there's nothing going on, but normally players and owners don't have closed door meetings. That's. No, I've never had a. I did once I was retired. You know what I'm saying? But anyway, Ocho, the Eagles did what they needed to do. Jalen Hurst was 14 to 28, 135 yards, no touchdowns, no interception. Again, he didn't turn the ball over. He had one fumble, but they ended up recovering it. Saquon was 26 of 83. Nothing to write home about 40 rush attempts, 148 yards. The wind was gusting, I think probably excess of 30, 40 miles an hour, which made it difficult. And knowing what, you know, having played in Cincinnati, Baltimore, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, where the wind swirls and it gets hard, you know, points are going to be at a premium. And we know how Dan Campbell is. He's very aggressive. But I thought the night didn't call for aggressiveness because points were going to be a premium and it wasn't going to be a ball game, Ocho, where you're going to get 31, 28, 35, 34, something like that. So points were going to be at a premium. But what did you like about what you saw from.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, listen, they were resilient. They were resilient. They obviously they weren't carried by the offense. The offense did just enough. A.J. brown had a, had somewhat of a. A down night.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

11 targets.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He had 11 targets. He ca seven of those. He had 49 yards. I mean, Saquan, you know, had 26 carry for 83 yards. But the defense Dominated, huh? The defense dominated. The fact that is. Is explosive as the Detroit Lions offense is. I mean, they, they were held in check. They were held in check. Golfers Golf was what, 14 for 37. He had one TD. He had an interception. They were able to help hold Gibbs Sonic. Is, Is Gibbs Sonic. Hey, wait, listen. It was able to hold him 12 carry for 39 yards. No, yeah, yeah. Wait, hold on.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he got it in the past, so he got. If you look at o, he had 107 yards receiving, five carries, five catches. So he got his. He got his yard from scrimmage. He just didn't get him the way we conventionally.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, absolutely. But that goddamn. That, that goddamn Eagles defense on. Boy, them, boy, play some goddamn ball. Especially that front four. Jordan, Jordan. Davis had him, had him a night tonight.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Jalen. How many balls did they bat down on Joe?

[Shannon Sharpe]

5, 6, 7 maybe, if I'm not mistaken, maybe about 7, 8. Maybe about 7 and 8.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Cajoran Davis, I think I saw him get 3. Carter got 3, got 2. 97, got 1. I mean, every time I turn around and it's so frustrating, Ocho, because, you know, you're like, oh, yeah, I got it. Yeah, damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Matter of fact, listen, and all, all it is is, is just being able to disengage if you can't get to the quarterback. Use your eyes, Use your eyes. Hold your, hold your, hold your, hold the. Off of the player out and, and play the passing lane. Play the passing lane, which, with your hands and, you know, watch the quarterback's eyes. And it worked. It worked wonderfully. Jalen Phillips had had a sack tonight. And listen, in the back end, they played very well as well. They played really, really good. I mean, honestly, it was a boring. It was somewhat of a boring game. It was a boring game. The elements played a factor in that. But, but, but I, but I, I enjoyed it. And the fact that offensively, the Eagles didn't look to par as we like them to look, but they still got the most important stat.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

They got the W. That's what they do. They're not. I mean, they don't. You know, there have been times they need to score 35 and they score 35, sometimes they need to score 10, they score 10, they do what is necessary to win, and they don't put themselves in harm's way. I just felt that Campbell was rolling the dice a little bit too early, too soon. There are times that, you know, punt the ball away and pin them down, make them go, don't Give them a short field. Golf turned the ball over early, got. And I think they got three points out of that. But. But Detroit, they better get home field.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Because anybody they could potentially play, unless it's the Rams, they're going to probably be outside. And the conditions, you know what the conditions are there in January, they're going to probably be like this, maybe even worse. So you don't know because when you, when you look at the schedule, let's see, Philly is the one seed. Probably only going to get one team out of that division. Green Bay, Chicago. Those are two teams that could possibly get in. Guess what, Ocho? The weather is bad there. So Philly is bad. The Rams, Seattle. Seattle, you know, Seattle is terrible. Although they lost today. We'll talk about them. But I just thought you. Look, it's a lot. It's tough. I could just imagine because Jalen hasn't answer questions, not about Detroit, but about AJ and he. And it's starting to bother me, like, man, I want to focus on Detroit. Ask me something about Detroit. And it's hard because they're making a conscious effort. They're putting plays in the game plan to make me. I. I ain't going through my progression. Throw it to AJ Throw it to AJ and that got golf into trouble because golf had a time, had to tie it in on a shallow cross. But he's looking for almond raw. What happens oo a lot of times when the tight end blocks, they're taught, unless the guy is covering him mad. Unless he's green dogging. He. He's taught, okay, start looking for crosses. Start looking. And so what happened is that he blocked. The linebacker is not green dogging, which means he's not pressing. So he starts looking and dropping the coverage. He comes on the shell across, but ball. Yeah, but he's looking at Almond Rob because he'd already made his mind up where he's going with the football. And it's hard to undo that. And you see J. Montgomery is. Montgomery is jumping up in them damn near in the middle of field like, I'm open. The tight end was scot free. You see golf playing with gloves on. But I think it just got frustrating because he had some opportunities. And then they bat the ball right back down his face like we were playing volleyball, beach volleyball. And it's. It's tough. It was frustrating to watch. But look, the Eagles are going to look, the Eagles, they're not going to win style points. And winning is. This is not gymnastics. This is not swimming, you know, Platform diving or anything like that, where it's subjective. No, this is about wins and losses. And how do we get the win is unimportant. The most important thing is that we got the win, not how we got it. Is that. And that's what the Eagles. That's what the Eagles do. Ocho, the Eagles win. It ain't pretty.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's not pretty. And the one thing, it's all. It's also. When I'm thinking about a game like this, I'm thinking how Dan Campbell's thinking in a sense. You know what? I'm gonna. I'm gonna take some chances. I'm gonna go for it on four down to see if I can get those points in premium due to the elements and force the Eagles to play a different style of game. Force them to play a different style of game and put the pressure on them to be able to put points up and keep up with us. To me, that. That. To me, that's the thinking and the way Dan Campbell might have been thinking on how he wanted to play this game. Let's get up early on them and force them to be able to throw the ball. Let's make them uncomfortable. Let's do. Let's put them in a position where they want to do something they don't want to do. And that's the only thing I think in the defense, they step up to the challenge. They step to the challenge and played extremely well.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

If you got LaPorta, I give you that because he's a guy that can win against your linebackers, against your safeties. So I'll give you that. But given what you're up against, considering the elements, that probably 17 points would win you this ball game. The last thing you want to do is give away. Give away field position and let them get easy points. If you. Ocho, if they drive the field and they get a field, they get a field goal. If they drive the field and they get a touchdown, I can live with that. But. But I can't put them on a short field and get. Let them get one field goal and now, excuse me, let them get one first down and now they're in field goal range or even if they don't score, they're going to have me backed up. And so now I'm constantly trying to swim up. I feel like a. A salmon spawning season. I feel like I'm swimming upstream and there's a lake full of bears. This Every. Every. Hey, they get full because they hibernate. They got to eat all they can because they about to go into hibernation. And that's what happened to the Detroit is that they gave the Eagles short fields and even when they didn't score points, Ocho, it kept them back up and they just needed, they just needed to start one. I mean they did a great job of stopping the tush push and got it and got a short field end up getting a field goal out of it and but like I said, it had been very interesting to see if they don't call that PI call, can they go down and get a touchdown. Put it like this. I'm not putting no money. That means something to me that they're going to go down and get a touchdown. You might put some money on it. That means something to you that says, okay, yeah, Detroit's going, Detroit's going to go down and get a touchdown.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what's funny is I don't, I don't think it would have made a difference. I don't think it would have made a difference whether it was a PR or not. I don't think they would have been able to get that touchdown as well as the damn Eagles played defense all night long all four quarters. You know, it, it looked like, it looked like what it did. They were able to, they were able to get nine points. Nine points. We, we talk about a ramp, talk about the Rams, we talk about a Lions team that's, that's able to score, you know, in bulk.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

There's number two in scoring average of about a little over almost 32 points a game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So for, for them to come out today and I'm, I'm not going to blame the elements, I'm not going to blame the weather, you know, at all.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Because we, because both teams had to play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Exactly. And we've seen them play in cold weather before and still be able to, to put up points, you know, at will. So I think the Eagles, they played one, one hell of a game on, on all three levels. On all three levels. They, they were phenomenal.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

They did. And the thing is Ocho, but you know about dome teams. There's a reason why dome teams don't go to the super bowl unless they're in their own building. Because when you have to go outside and you have to normally late January, the weather is bad, you go to Philly or you go to Cincinnati, you go to Pittsburgh, you go to Baltimore, you go to Kansas City. If you're a dawn weather team, it's really not conducive. Normally you look at the Rams, they got to the super bowl, how they had home field when they didn't have home field. It's tough. I mean, the only warm weather team that I can remember going on the road to get to the super bowl is Tampa. Is when they went on the road to Philly and they beat Philly and Philly and it took a Herculean effort from the defense because the offense really didn't do anything. Rondy Barbie ended up getting like a 90 yard pick six, something like that. But it's very tough. So Detroit's got their work cut out for them if they want to get to where they want to be. And it's not going to be easy. Cause I don't know if you notice Chicago's playing really, really well. That quarterback is getting more and more comfortable.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And Green Bay has found a way to win. I was like, I mean, sometimes I don't know. Jordan loved. You need to realize he had to go to the tent because all of a sudden he like, I'm Derrick Henry. Why? Oh, no, you're not. Until the tent, he went and ended up going inside until he figured out like, nah, bro, you can't, you can't take shots. Can't take shots on your shoulder like that. If you look at the Eagles, Ocho, they beating the Lions, the Packers, the Vikings, the Bucks, the Rams and the Chiefs. Hey, with the exception of the Vikings, everybody else theoretically is still in playoff contentions. I mean, maybe the Vikings still are, but the Chiefs, although they're ninth in the division, all you takes is seven. They still did the outside chance that they could, you know, win the division. But the Rams, they're clearly in sole possession of. Because they beat the. They beat Seattle today. So to beat the Lions, to beat the packers, to beat the Bucks, to beat the Rams, to beat the Chiefs, that's a good football team. Now you just not gonna just go in there and willy nilly just, just go roll over. So if you think that's what's gonna happen, that ain't happening. They're two, they're very well coached. And I know a lot of people don't like their offense. And Kevin Petula, la la la. They're not. They're not gonna beat themselves. You're gonna have to beat them. Yeah. Jared Goff, worst completion percentage in a single game in his career. Ocho, 37.8% tonight, the ninth lowest mark by a quarterback who has at least 35 attempts since 2005. The Eagles defense did it again.

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[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

I turned off news altogether.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything.

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It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

We got clear facts.

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[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News reporting for America. So basically 148, 148 and 124. So they had about 270 yards.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you know, it's funny, we, we have all this, all this discourse and all this talk about AJ Brown and the offense and it not living up to the standards and evolving as an offense as opposed to what they did last year. And Saquon really hasn't had a day yet. What we're used to seeing. I think at some point they will hit they stride. At some point I think things are going to open up. That often is going to change especially I think it's going to start clicking when it matters most. Not only are they getting wins right now, they're getting the wins ugly, but I think at some point maybe that momentum or they catch fire at the right time when it, when it matters most now. I mean obviously they're winning games ugly. The, the defense is, is carrying a load and probably the, the main or the majority reason why they're winning. But I think once the offense catches up to where the defense is and maybe, maybe just maybe just halfway, maybe just halfway, I think that they're going to be a force to reckon with. Especially once, once they get to the goddamn playoffs. And there's a good chance if they keep playing like this defensively and if the offense gets any better or any more efficient, especially on the ground and the run and they have a healthy balance of both, man, it's going to be hell. It's going to be hell.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But we know at some point in time one team offense is going to have their way with that defense and then the offense is going to have to bail them out. We've seen it, we've seen it happen. No matter what Everybody, everybody has a game in which, if whatever your strong suit is, you struggle and the other side of the ball needs to bail you out. And it's normally the side that has struggled. So the offense has really struggled, but the defense has been exemplary. So what happens when an offense, opposing team, offense has their way with that defense. And I'm saying, you know, somehow they get, you know, 28, get 31 points. Now we're gonna need that office to go match that and go get 32, get 33, get 34 points. So we know that game is coming. We don't know who it's gonna be. Maybe it's the Cowboys, because the Cowboys, that's a division rival game. Hey, you throw everything out of the window. Don't look how bad the Cowboys are. I know the Cowboys has played like some stir fry this year, but against a division opponent, you throw every. You throw. You throw everything out of the window. But that was a big win for the Eagles. 8 and 2 on the season dropped the Lions to 6 and 4 with a score of 16 to 9. Jordan Davis. Ocho entered the night with three batted balls. He finished with the tie for the league lead with six. So he had three. Carter probably had two. 97, I think. I think that's Hunt. I'm not mistaken. Had had one. But they won. They, they played well. They, they handled the elements, the conditions better than Detroit did because, you know, you. How do, how do I practice that, Ocho? I, I normally practice in the Dome, so they probably went outside. I'm sure they went outside in Detroit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right now it's cold in Detroit.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And, and knowing, and knowing, hey, listen, knowing Dan Campbell to, to get them ready to. For the elements and what you're going to have to, I mean, what it's going to be like on Sunday. We're going to practice outside. Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yep. Before the game, reports came out from espn. Sal Palantonio, the guy that knows all things Eagle, he's been covering the Eagles for probably 40 years. A.J. brown met with Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie during practice last week to hash out Brown's public frustration over his role in Philly's offense. During the 10 minute meeting, Brown promised Lori that. That he will stop complaining on social media. Brown told Lori that he just wants to be a part of an offense and it's frustrating. All right. Hey, Eagle fan, me and Ocho didn't know what we was talking about. We just making stuff up now. How many times, how many, how many times have you ever heard of Jeffrey Lurie, he's on this team for two decades. Met with a player about something that he was posting on social media. Met with a player about his role in the offense, his role in defense. Eagle. This is a chat. This is only for Eagle fans. I don't want anybody else to chime in because Ocho and I, we just doing this for clicks. Mainly you. Because Ocho. Ocho, cool. We like Ocho, but it's mainly you. So, Eagles fans, I want y' all to tell me the time that your owner has met with a previous player over his role in the offense or the defense. I'm gonna give you a couple of minutes to chime in now. And I like coacho. I understood from the beginning. My only thing was, I said AJ Is just that when you do this publicly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Winning.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes, winning. And you say your goal is to win and you're winning. The fans are not gonna look at it like, man, I want to be involved because I want to take this offense to the next level. They're going to look at it as you complaining and being selfish because you're not getting stats. That's how it's going to be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So my thing was just keep it behind closed doors. I mean, he probably kept it behind closed door. Ocho, as long as you got all this stuff. Absolutely. Until you open the door and all that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely. And the funny thing about it, too, is, you know what I think? I think he's had those conversations behind closed doors. I think he's. Those conversations with Jaylen. I think he's had those conversations with Coach Sirianni.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And he might have.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He might have because this has been going on since last year. It's been going on since last year. So I think the conversations have already been had and he hasn't been heard because nothing has changed. Nothing has changed. But what J. A.J. brown has to understand, this offense is run a certain way. It's always run a certain way. And. And the way that they do it. J. J. Yeah. Jaylen Hurst does not put the ball in harm's way. He's not going to take the chances like Aaron Rogers. He's not going to take the chance. Chances like a. Like a Brett Far or a gunslinging quarterback. I'm. I'm going to make the right reads. I'm going to do the right things with the ball, and I'm not going to put my team in har's way in harm's way and have us behind eightball when it comes to playing football. And that's Just n. That's the nature of the business in the way they do things. And I think the Eagles like the kind of quarterback that they do have. It's not pretty, it's not. It's not aesthetically pleasing. He's not going to go out there and throw for no 400, 500 yards. That's not the offense. They don't. It doesn't ask for him to do that. But when time come, when times come and you put him in situations where he has to beat you with his arm, we've seen him do it hell a lot. Last year in the super bowl they weren't allowing Saquon to get diddly, diddly squat. What did he do? He used his arm and he won the game. This year things don't look like it should. They're not able to run the ball. Hell, they not even throwing the ball well. They get in, disperse, but what are they doing? They being carried by the defense. That's why I think at some point the roles are going to reverse. This is going to be a game just like you said, with a defense, they gonna get had. They're going to be a team that's going to be able to take advantage of them. And the funny thing about it, you think about the teams that have the opportunity or have a chance to put up multiple points and, and have a offensive scoring, high volume output. You think about the Chiefs, they beat the Chiefs. Hell, you think about the Lions tonight. They scored 27, 28, almost 30 a game. Not yet. It's gonna be a team you least expected. It's gonna be a team you least expected. And they gonna have a goddamn way. And it's gonna, it's gonna come time where Jalen Hurst gonna have to step up. It either gonna beat you with your arm or Saquon gonna do what he do on the ground like he did last year that he hasn't been able to do yet this year.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

This offense is built to play with a lead because of the way they play, is running past. A lot of teams pass to run. So Ocho, you afraid of us throwing the football. So now you play coverage. We can run into a light box. So the way the Eagles are built, they're built to run. And then we gonna pass, we're gonna dictate, you know, we're not gonna let you dictate when we pass. But they normally pass and it's third and short. What gets the Eagles in trouble is when it's third and long and they're having to pass the Football See when it's third and short. Oo you don't know. I could run it with Saquan or I can use Herz legs or I can do something quick. Screen. Jaylen, screen to Devonte. Quick something quick. Pop. Godard. They get into trouble when you start. They start third and 10, third and 12. That's when they get into trouble. And, and so they do a great job of knowing that's where we're vulnerable at staying out of situations like that. But give them credit. They won tonight. Played the elements better. That's what you have to do when you at home. O hey, we're in our environment. We're Eagles, we play and we, we practice outside.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, and, and one problem I do have about watching the game tonight, the fact that I can still. I don't play for the Eagles.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Huh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't play for the Eagles, but I watch a lot of football and I watch the Eagles all season long. Hell, I watch every goddamn team. But the fact that I can tell you I Based on A.J. brown's alignment, I can tell you exact exactly where Rowdy's running. That's not good. That's, that's not good because if I know it and I'm not watching film, I'm just watching the games each and every Sunday. What do you think those that are, that are playing across from are doing? He had 11, I think he had maybe 11 targets or something like that. But it's the same stuff over and over and over. If he lines up two yards outside the number, if he's by himself, he's running the hitch. If he, if he's in, if he, if he's at the top or, or the slant. If it's, if it's two by two and Speedy's on the side with him or the Titans on the side with him, he's off the ball, he's running the slam. It's, it's, it's like the same thing. If he, if he's inside, he's running the quick out. I mean it's, it's just, or, or the stick. Right. It's just the same that there, there's really no creativity and then putting him.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

In and they like to put him on the left hand side. Oo they like to throw him the goal ball on the left hand side.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

If you notice that Ocho a lot of his goalballs on the left hand side.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean so I, I understand, I understand his frustrations. Not only is he not putting up the numbers, he like to. But you know what's actually coming based on his alignment and where he is. Route recognition, formation recognition and the tendencies. The tendencies are the same.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

I turned off news altogether.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything.

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[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News reporting for America. Yeah, Ocho. The Ravens beat the Brian Browns by the score of 2316. But what overshadowed that was Shador Sanders getting his first taste of.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Dylan Gabriel got concussed in the third quarter and went out of the ball game. Excuse me. And did not return. Shador came in. Shador stats was 4 of 16, 47 yards, 0 touchdown and interception. He had a couple opportunities late in the ball game. He had a couple drops. He had a couple of drops. Look and listening to I found it on social media for Kevin Stefanski to say the first time that Shador Sanders had taken a snap with the starters, with the ones was in this game is malpractice at no point in time. And this is what I said, Ocho. So at no point in time. So you don't think Dylan Gabriel could possibly get hurt. He can't possibly bang a knee, bring a shoulder, get concussion. There's no possible way anything could possibly go wrong that you want to get shadow like 1 reps with the ones, 2 reps with the ones, I ain't saying split it 50, 50, I understand that. But even when John was taking the majority of the reps, John, if we did 10 reps in a period, the backup would take two just in case. So for Shador Sanders, the hair, we are in week 11, the man got drafted in May and at no point in time had he taken one snap with the ones is very, very disappointing, you know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Look, not, not only is it disappointing, right? And a lot of people say, hey, listen, yo, you and uncle, we were, you were screaming for Shadora to start. You wanted to get in there and look at, look at the stat line. Look at, look at what he did. Well, obviously I'm, I'm confused and I'm, I'm trying to understand this. This ain't Madden. You don't, you don't just, you don't just take out one quarterback and put another quarterback in and expect success to happen, especially when you haven't had any reps with the ones. When it comes to the play calling, when it comes to the play calling, what play calls are you going to be able to call for a quarterback that hasn't had any reps with the ones you don't know what he does well, what he doesn't done, what he, you don't know what he does well. You don't know what he, what, what he, what he's not going to be good at because there's there, there's, there's no chemistry. There's no chemistry. So you're just out there calling plays all willy nilly, not knowing how the offense can run. And I know as a quarterback you're supposed to be, you're supposed to be prepared. You're supposed to know, you know, if the opportunity presents itself, you got to be able to go in there and do what you can do. But like, come on. No. No reps at all.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Let me ask you a question.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No reps up.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

No. But let me ask you this. Normally on Saturday, Dylan or Sunday morning, Dylan, Gabriel will tell Stefanski, these are things that I really like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Every quarterback does that. Every quarterback does that. Huh?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Every quarterback does that. So do you think he had any idea of the plays that Shador likes?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Or he's just going to call plays, just, oh, here's my play sheet and I'm calling because you build your plate, you build your play sheet around the quarterback and what he likes, what he's good, what he's good at, what you know he's good at. You don't even know what you're doing good at. Now it's going to be very interesting. Look at this play now you got. You got three guys blocking one guy and somebody about to come in and hit your door dead. Now what should have happened, it was a redirect. You slide the line to the left and now guess what? You got the guard or the center to hit that guy that's looping around. And now you're protected. But hey, the, the. The.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

The old line is going to have to make calls until Shador gets. Get, get.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Catch up, get in the. Catches up.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He's not there right now to say no, no, no, no, no. I want you to go here. Hey, redirect, redirect. Let's list this, let's list this. Let's Lucy this. Now we're gonna slide the line to the left. Now we're gonna take. Hey, you only got one guy rushing on the right. Why the hell we got three guys? And now we got a guy finna come in here and, and try to put his helmet up under Shador's chin. So it's going to be very interesting this week. I'm sure Gabriel is going to be in protocol. We'll see if he. If Shador is going to get the start against. I think they played a Raiders Ocho. I think they played the Raiders. We'll see if he gets to start against the Raiders and he'll get an opportunity to take all the reps, all the ones. And Stefanski will have an idea what he likes and will call plays accordingly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Honestly, it's very important too, for, for Stefanski to understand and know what his quarterback likes to do because it allows you to call plays and, and put him in advantageous situations for you. It just, it just makes your job easier. It just makes your job easier as a head coach and for a quarterback to know what he likes so the offense is, is able to run smooth. I mean, it's really easy. It's not about Dylan Gabriel. It's not about Shador Sanders. It's about putting our players in. In positions for them to succeed and give us our best chances to win. That's. That's all.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I give you a prime example, Ocho. When I wasn't the starter my first couple of years, they would put me in the game. But when I came in the game, guess what? I know we gonna run because it's like, okay, when you come in the game, this is what we're running. This is going to be your opportunity to Make a play. They got a small cornerback. We're going to throw the fade. I don't care what the coverage is coming to you, we're expecting you to go up on top of it. Okay? In this situation, we're going to bump this coverage. If they bump with it, that means this man coverage, you're going to be one on one inside linebacker with inside leverage. So we're going to call a play where you're breaking away. So I knew now if I'm just like all of a sudden going to game and they're not calling plays for me, I just got. I just. When they quarterbacks always, you go listen to Brady, you go listen to Manny, go listen to breathe and anything. Big Ben, any of these quarterbacks, they say, me and the offensive coordinator, we went over the Saturday night or, or day of the game. This is what I really like. Normally it's Saturday night and you come and say, okay, so what do you like? So Brady and Manny would say, I got these. Well, Manny called his own thing. So let's, let's do Brady Breeze and all these other guys. There's like, this is what I like. This is what I like at this. 31 to 3, 33 to 5, 35 to 7. This is what I really, really like. Now. This is what I like a. In this area of the field. This is what I like in the red zone. This is what I like out of this personnel because I feel out of this personnel we're more likely to get this coverage which gets. Gives us a benefit or that gives us an advantage. So all that's going through the mind. But for a quarterback ojo not to get no reps, I'm talking about none. He said it. Yeah, see, and I was like, what? I mean, listen to Mary Kay Cavity looking to listen to people that there. They're saying Shador is not getting any reps. As a matter of fact, Bailey. It'll be very interesting and somebody should have asked him. Well, let me ask you this, Coach Stefanski. Did Bailey zappy get any reps with the ones? Because it makes no sense if Bailey zappy is getting reps with the ones. And then why would you put Shador in that situation? Why not have Bailey zappy as two?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, and it's funny. And you know what, to piggyback off what you said about quarterbacks, you know, having those conversations with coaches before game start on plays that they're comfortable with and some of the things that they want to do for one, especially early in the game to get Them in a rhythm. And you mentioned Brady and hell, I was there. I was there for that. I've seen it with my own eyes. I've seen it the night before in the hotel on Saturdays before. When the meeting ends, Bill o', Brien, the receiver and Tom Brady sit there. They go over the plays that he likes and Bill o' Brien will run off plays. He'll call our plays and break. You know what? I don't, I don't like that one, you know, let's save that one, you know, for later on the game in a certain situation when we may need it. And he had those first, those first 15 plays that he really, really likes and he's comfortable with and that. And that's what they would go with.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, and that's how it should be because at the end of the day, you got to run with the quarterbacks, feel comfortable with. You got to set your ego aside sometimes, you know, we, we want to bring our ego to the party, but it's not your party. So you don't get to dress how you want to. We said this is an 80 things party. Don't you bring your ass in here without a wig, without a afro and some platform shoes on. No choice of bell bottom. You know what I'm saying? This is not your party. So you, you, you, you call plays accordingly. Because if the quarterback is telling you what he likes in certain situations, he's going to feel the most comfortable. When you call that. He's going to be the most assured of himself and the offense. If you call that, I'm glad. Like, like I said, hopefully Dylan Gabriel's okay. First of all, let's start with that because I'm not, I'm not big and hoping somebody gets hurt and somebody else gets an opportunity. Sometimes that happens. Sometimes players go down and then other players get their opportunity. That's how Brady got his opportunity. Someone went down and he made the most of it. I got my opportunity. Someone went down and I made the most of it. But, you know, some in order seemed like in order for Shadow to get in, Dylan Gabriel had to get ding. Hopefully he's okay. Maybe he comes back. Maybe he comes back this week and we're back to square one. Ocho. Dylan Gabriel's in there taking all the ones and we move forward. We don't know. We'll see how this thing plays out if he's still in protocol. But I think now that you, you're in a situation where there's a great chance there. I believe there's a greater than 50% chance that you're going to start. Because I don't care what anybody says. You pair. You prepare differently as a starter than you do a backup. You just not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not only do you prepare differently from the starter to the backup, but the play calling changes significantly. The play calling completely changes completely. Different game plan depending on who you have at quarterback, based on their skill sets and what they're able to do.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I told. I totally agree. But, you know, things are a lot faster now in the NFL than they are in college. Guys move faster. Got you. You got to throw guys open. I like that guy. He threw the fanning the tight end. 44 on the crosser on the. The dagger route. I thought he'd throw that with timing. He hit you with one and Jew made a great move. He had another one. A couple of guys dropped one 84 had one in his hand. But give a woo. Yeah credit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's a great play. Great play by Woozy.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

That was a great play. That was a great play. But when you have a young player in there, having been in situations where you're the veteran guy and you have a young guy in, you have to make plays for him. You understand that he's nervous. I don't care what anybody says. He's nervous. I've been here before. I've been doing this all my life. You ain't been doing it on this level all your life. You ain't did it like this with those guys all your life. So hopefully he gets an opportunity, another opportunity. He'll be better prepared than he was and we'll get a different result also in this game. Miles. Miles Gay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, man eight. He the real deals we gonna break.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He got seven games to go, so he needs. He needs eight sacks to break the record.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He. He might very well get that. He might very.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And don't. They got the Ravens again.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, he might. He.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

They got the Raven. Hold on. I think they got Pittsburgh. They got y' all again.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He definitely might because he had three today, right? Did he have three or four?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. Oh, they got the. At the Raiders. They get the 49ers. Titans at home. They're at the Bears. They get the Bills at home. They get the Steelers at home. They get the Bengals.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And now the. Now the best matchup at everybody you said will be probably will be a matchup to watch will be Miles Garrett and Dion Dawkins. Miles Garrett and Dion Dawkins. Not and every. Everybody else on there. And there's no disrespect to them but you got your hands full.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, everybody got their hands.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got. You got your hands full. And I. Obviously.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

What's called Big Trent got his hands. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, shoot. That's right. Yeah. Everybody got their hands full. Colton, Miller, everybody. Cause he kicking everybody. He's a. He's on. He's on one of those. He's on one of those. On one of those stairs right now. It doesn't matter who's in front of him. He don't even see you. He doesn't even see you. I'm being honest. Having been around, having played against great pass rushers, the Reggie Whites, the Bruce Smith, the Derek Thomas. I played against Leslie o'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Neal.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Go look him up. You don't know the Greg Townsend, all those guys, the Michael Stray hands, when they get into a rhythm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah. It ain't nothing you could do.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Nothing you could do. It's just like a guy shooting the basket. Like Jordan. They say Jordan getting a zone or Steph getting in the zone. Does it matter if you put your head. You know, they put the head in his face like he ain't even looking at you. He looked at the rim, and he's throwing. He's throwing a pebble in the ocean. That's how big it looks to him. There's a chance, Ocho, it hadn't happened. I don't think it's happened since 92, when Cortez Kennedy won the Defensive Player of the Year on a losing team. I think they were 2 and 14, and Ted's won the Defensive Player of the Year. That might happen because right now, Miles Garrett's the best defensive player easily.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, without question.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I mean. I mean, he is so. Man. He is so. For a man his size to move like he does, the way he can bend, the way he can change the direction, the way he can post with one arm, the way he can. Hey, he faking. I mean, he lining up, and he. Ah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He in and out. He's wax on, wax off. He ripping. He been to the edge. He can hump you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He can got a night. Hey, he.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He.

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He has.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

When it comes to. When it comes to rushing, he has no weakness because he can turn power. He can turn power to speed, speed to power. He just. He can snatch, pull you. He just. He's just amazing. He's. He's. He's. And I just hate. I just hate that he ain't gonna win. Not again.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, he might not win as a team collectively, but he's gonna win individually. He's gonna win individually every, every time, and sometimes in a. In a winning effort defensively, sometimes in the losing effort. But what you get from Miles Garrett is you get consistency. You get consistency from him, and he's going to be an impact. Sometimes that impact, it results in wins, sometimes it doesn't. But he's a force to be working. He's a force to be reckoned with week in and week out.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And the thing is, Ocho, but when we talk about great defenders, when it comes to D lineman, what did all of them do when. Yeah, what did Reggie do? Yeah, what did Strahan do? What did LT do? What did Aaron Donald do? J.J. watt, you. You've got. You've got to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but, you know.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know, I'm not saying you got to win a championship, but it's. I'm not saying you got to win that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's unfair.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You going 3 and 14. You going, hey, 5 and 12.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But it's unfair. It's unfair. You have to think about the situation those players. Those players were in. You think about the team that they were on collectively, you know, as a group. So they won because of the team that they were a part of. There was an effort on both sides of the ball, you know, especially for Aaron Donald, Michael Strahan. Look at the defense back then. Look at the offense with Eli Manning, some of the things they were doing, you know, during that time. Hell, Reggie White. But you got to realize, with Reggie White, man.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You got to think about what the. What the. The. The Giants were before they got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You got to realize what they. Before they got Kerry Collins and ended up going to the super bowl, they weren't going to. They weren't going to no playoffs in the 90s. They weren't like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, all it takes is a quarterback.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Straight was doing it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But. And, And. And guess what? Reggie got tired of losing. Reggie said, I'm going to Green Bay. Yeah, the money. They. They had money, but they had more money on at other places. I want to win. Time say, babe Atlanta, y' all trying to get me used to losing. I want to win.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Got him.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So at what point in time does Miles Garrett say, man, here I am, I'm getting 23, 24 sacks, and I ain't even. I ain't. I ain't even. I ain't even sniffing the playoffs. I'm not even close to the playoffs, that my season is already over. Think about it, Ocho. When we ate 10 games into the season and the Cleveland Already know they're eliminated.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, that. That's crazy. That's crazy.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You. Six games, six weeks into the season, OO we got. OO we got 11, 12 weeks to go. All right. Hey, man, let me see what. Let me see what I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And the funny thing about it is there were teams that tried to get him before the trade deadline. There were teams that tried to get him and listen, I don't. I don't know the details. I'm. I'm not an insider. I don't. I don't have the sources. But, you know, the Browns weren't going to do that. I don't think there's anything a team could offer them where they would have done it, because I think a team that really.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't think. I don't think. I be. Personally, I don't think he. He wanted to leave because he's on a great. He's on a great pace right now. I think that's something they might revisit in the. Because I'm going to make. Hey, I'm going to make. You tell me like Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. You're gonna have to tell me. No, you gotta tell me. Don't. Ocho, you gotta tell me. No, I ain't gonna lie to you. You gotta tell me, though. Cause he's a man. He's a hell of a. He's a hell of a. Hell of a player.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The real deal.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And he got an opportunity. He's gonna go down as. As one of the all time great. But I want to see him. I want to see him on the all time. I want to see him on a big stage. I want to see him in a. A AFC or NFC championship game. I want to see him in the Super Bowl. I want everybody to see Miles Garrett. Not just. I want him to see just how special he is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I have to see it watching highlights because you got exact. Think about it, you know, as. As great as he is. I mean, how many people are tuning in to see the Cleveland Browns play outside of Brown fans. Unless. Unless it's the team that they're playing. Unless the team that they're playing that week is playing the Browns. That's about the. That's about the only time.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yep. Going back to Shador, Wyatt Teller said after the game, this is what he said, why Teller said on Shador? I think I've heard his catered like two or three times. I think it's going to come. I think going out at halftime we all got on the line. He said his cadence and we're kind of okay. Got through it again, a lot of learning, but we. But he played his heart out. We just fell short. Gabriel got practice snaps as a backup with Flacco at QB1. Stefanski wasn't even getting Shador, his backup, at least minimal reps during the course of the week. I get Flacco to a certain extent, Ocho, because Flacco is a veteran, Gabriel isn't a veteran, and you want to try to get him as many reps as you possibly can, but at some point in time, I'm not saying you split it 50, 50. I'm not even saying you split it 60, 40, but you can't. You can't find a way to get that man two reps in a pipeline. So the offensive line, the running backs, and everybody can hear his cadence and understand that because that's very important. Some people have a slow cadence, some people have a fast cadence. You got. And you need to be able to hear it. So I was, I was surprised that, that Stefanski said that man, since the man got drafted, you know, they had.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The draft, you know how long ago.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It was, and today is the day is Sunday the day, the 16th, November 16th, June, July, August, September, October, November. So.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but you have to understand the.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

First time that man got first team reps was today in an actual game against a division.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You have to understand that that wasn't their call. That is not the player that they wanted. They had. They had their mind made up. They had their mind set on who they wanted to be, you know, quarterback number one. Obviously, it was Joe Flacco. When things didn't work out with Joe Flacco, they were going to Dylan Gabriel as their. As their. As their quarterback.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, they did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They. They just didn't see Shador Sanders in their plans. You know, now that. That's their business. That's. That's the way they felt. Now things have come to a head where Dylan Gabriel went out with a concussion, hoping. I'm hoping he's okay and he can get back to the regularly scheduled program for the Browns, being that he is the one that they want to be their starter. So I'm hoping he's okay and he's able to come back once he clear concussion protocol. But now if Dylan Gabriel is out now, Shador has a whole week. He has a whole week to get all those. All those things down, to get that rhythm, to get that timing, get that chemistry with the receivers, with the lineman. So they can hear that cadence and understand, understand, you know, the sound and, and how he going to call those plays in the huddle and obviously at the line of scrimmage.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Let's take a listen to what Shador had to say after the game, Ocho.

[Shador Sanders (clip)]

But it's different when there's different body types going out there, different way how people get out of routes. Like, what I seen on the pick initially was I see his hips turn, so I'm like, okay, we gonna be able to get out there. But at the same time, playing quarterback is extremely hard. So it's like I like knowing every detail about my receivers. I like knowing the small things, what they're good at, what they're not good at. It's like so many details that helps me play confident with those guys. And I know, you know, we at the bottom right now. This performance, everything, it will never be like this, but, you know, I'm dedicated to being able to get those opportunities with those guys to have a relationship. You know, I got relationship with all the hungry dogs, though. We let clockwork out there, but you just gotta see. You just gotta see everything a little bit more, you know, make them come out roster, do all different type of stuff.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So you want to go to the next sound. Before we respond to this, let's take a listen to what Miles Garrett had to say about Shador after the game. Don't, don't be discouraged from no one drive or two drives. You know, it's a good. No football team over there. So I was just trying to keep him to keep his confidence high and keep on chasing that standard in which he set. And we're going to continue to support him. He spoke after the game and he wanted to depend it on himself and his performance, but we're not going to allow him to do that. It's a team game, so we're all in this together.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I said. He addressed the entire team in the locker room. Hey, you know what, too, As a receiver and uncle, you could, you can, you can attest to this and, and, and with great understanding and, and those you in the chat that, that are listening, I don't think they understand how important it is to have a cadence with your receivers, to understand and, and to work with them, you know, throughout the week, so to understand their movements, you know, their, their tendencies and, and when they're going to break, when they're going to get out and being able to. Being able to throw the ball. I think people think you just, you get out there and you, you just Throw the ball to your receivers and it's just that easy. It's just that easy. But there's. There's. There's a timing cadence to it and rhythm to it. That, that's why you always hear players talk about throwing with your quarterback and, you know, in off season and throwing with him in practice and, and getting those. Getting those reps. So everything flows smooth in the middle of a game when everything is sped up times 10. And you can. You can tell and you know when a player is about to break based on his mannerism, based on his body language. And I think people watching the game of football thinking just so easy, you know, you get the ball and you just throw it and the guy has to get open. But that. That's not the way it works when you have other players.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Everything is easy that you can't do. Huh? Everything is easy that you can't do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you mean? I know what you. Yeah, I know what you mean.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Those that can do. Those that can't. Talk about others that can do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you. You right. You're right.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Let me ask you a question, Ocho. You played with Tom Brady. Do you think Tom Brady would allow some. Some receiver that he didn't throw to during the course of the week to be out there on the field with him on Sunday?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because he wouldn't trust you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Thank you. Neither would Peyton Manning, neither would John Elway. Because if there's a chance that you're going to get your ass in the game, you best believe John Elway was going to see you run a dig or an cut or over route, a slant, a comeback, a stop, a smoke, a shake. He's gonna see you do it in practice. And guess what? When it comes time to one on one, guess what he's gonna say. Hey, no, don't worry at. Let him get up there. I want to see what he can do. I've been with you for seven years.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I've been with seven years.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I. But he's gonna want to see what those guys can do, because if I got to go out there and battle with you on Sunday, I need to know I can trust you. I need to see some mannerisms. Hey, you tell him, bro. Let me know when you're gonna break out, bro. I got to know when you're gonna break out. You just can't do that. Make sure you get your depth. Hey, I can't. I can't. Listen, this is seven on seven. I can't be. Pardon the language chat. I can't be back here, Jacking. His ball, which means he can't be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, all that patting, you get your head knocked off.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, no, you get your head knocked off. No, he can't do that. And you hear me said, guys, what y' all think this is, 707? No, that ball's got to come out. 1, 2, 3 balls out. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 balls out. So to ask your door to get in a game in which he has not taken any snap from the center. He hasn't thrown to Judy. He hadn't thrown the hannity. He hadn't thrown to any of those guys. And expect him to work a miracle. We're not making excuses, but look, as time progresses, he getting more and more time. We'll be able to fairly grade him on his performance. But I think it's unfair to give him a grade. If I were to give him a grade, I would say incomplete. Incomplete.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen. Hey, hold on.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

We asked him to take a. We asked.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Without studying. Without. Without studying. I mean, that's unfair. If you. Listen, if you're gonna give me an assignment, right, at least give me the curriculum. Give me the curriculum that I can properly study so I can pass the goddamn test. That's all. Make it. Make it fair. Make it fair for me. Just don't throw me. Hey, don't.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, let me ask you a question.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Throw me out there blind.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I give you Chad. I don't know how many you guys went to college. I don't know how many you. I'm sure a lot of you guys went to high school. Imagine showing up your first day of class, and the teacher gave you a.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Test, and you don't know what the hell is on.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

No, no, no, no, no. You know the class. You in the history class, you in a science class, you're in a chemistry class. And the first day you show up and you go, whoa, whoa, what did.

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You do that is.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Damn. Hell, I. You ain't even give me the syllabus. You didn't even tell me what we're gonna be doing. What we gonna be going over this quarter, this semester. Hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm gonna act like we in church now?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Go ahead. Yeah, it's tough chat. And. Look, y' all know me. I. I'm not big on excuses. You either get it done or you don't. But having played this game, having been a guy that's been in the situation that should. Door. That didn't get a whole lot of reps, but. And when you don't get a whole lot of reps, it's hard to have confidence going into a game. I can just imagine playing the quarterback position and having to go in a game when you taking no reps. I've never thrown to Jerry Judy. The only thing I've thrown to Jerry Judy is pat and go in warming up. I've never thrown to these guys. The center has never snapped me the ball because normally when I'm throwing Pat and go, ocho, they throwing the ball underhand. The ball boy. Throwing me the ball underhanded. A center ain't doing that. The centers are down there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

The linemen are down there working on some other stuff. So until we come as a team to stretch, then they go, do, you know, we break up and they go do their thing until we come together and do 9,07 or whatever we're going to do, or they got the individual period and then we have our individual peers and then we come together. But I just think the thing is, is that. That he just needs some time. He needs to work with that offense. They need to get his used to his cadence. Stefanski needs to call plays according to what his skill set and what he likes, what he feels comfortable in. I definitely think we'll see a better should do next week. If he. If he's just. If he starts, I guarantee you we'll see a better shador than. Than what we saw.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's all about preparation, huh? It's all about preparation.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, it's one thing when opportunity presents itself. If you're prepared, it looks different, you're a lot more confident. But if you don't know what to prepare for or don't have the tools at your disposal to be able to prepare for, say, a test, this is what you get.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Exactly. Ocho, you ain't winning war without the proper weapons. So. Cannons and musket. Nah. Dang. How they doing it now? They're doing it with drones. So. Hey, they. They. Hey, they drop. Dropping buck bump bunker busters from B52s.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A bunker.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

A bunker buster. It's a. It's a whole. Yeah, they got those bombs now, Ocho. You drop because they people, you know, they done dug in the side of the cave, they drop them and they hey, hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mess up the whole bunker, huh?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And then explode.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So. Oh, Joe. Ah. I'm sorry.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What happened? Do me a favor. Do me a favor. Let's say that. Let's say that for last. Let's say that for last.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

No, no, we can't say that for last, Ocho. We got to go There we got to go now because we got some good stuff. We still got a lot of stuff to go. The Pittsburgh Steelers stay the top. The AFC north, thanks to a 3412 victory. Although Aaron Rodgers left the game, what many believe to be a crack at his. A break in his wrist. Mason Rudolph came in, finished 12 of 16, 127 of the touchdown. He relieved Aaron Rodgers, who was 9 of 15, 116 and a touchdown. They won 34 to 12. But that was not the story of the game. Something happened late in the ball game. Jaylen Ramsey was ejected for punching T. Not T. Higgins. Jamar Chase in the face. They asked Chase. Excuse me. They asked Jaylen Ramsey what happened, huh? Okay, we got. Okay, let's take a listen to what. What Ramsey said after the game. He spilled me, so it's up. I don't give about football after that, respectfully. Okay, here's what Chase said.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Walk us through what happened with exchanging words.

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You were saying that you spit on him. Did you spit on him?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I never. I ain't never opened my mouth to that guy.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

What do you.

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So what do you think prompted the reaction from him?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Well, he don't like some of the words I told him. We've been going back and forth the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Whole time, so I'm sure some. Some got under his skin.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, all good here. Here, we got. We got. We got Austin Br. Brisket. Brisky. Brisky. Austin brisky fox 19. He got it all on tape. Let's take a look at this. Ocho, that's your guy. I've met him a few times. I like Chase. He's the best receiver in football. But he spit on Jalen Ramsey. And, you know, and everybody knows, I've been abundantly clear where I am. The most disrespectful thing you can do. Yeah, we know the N word. We know the. The condo, the. The. The. The connotations and what it summons up. But my grand. My. Well, my grandfather used to always say. She said, boy, you don't spit on. If you. If you're telling me I'm the ground, that is the lowest thing you can do. Ocho, he spit on that man, and he lied. And Jalen Ramsey said, Jalen Ramsey say he spit on me. So it's up. After that f. Football, after that point, take it away.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, Uno. Y' all know how I feel about uno. Know how I feel about Jamar. And, you know, I'm really critical of players very rarely. It takes a lot for me to be critical of someone but this is one of those situations where I got to let Chase know, boy, you did wrong. As much as I love you, you can't do that. You can't do that. You can be angry. You could be mad. You can say what you want to say to a player on the field, but you can't spit on nobody, bro. Young boy, you can't spit on nobody. Obviously, you know, cooler heads will prevail, but in those situations like that, when you're angry, I know you're frustrated, the game might not be going your way. You're not getting the ball the way you want to get the ball. You know how these division games go. Situations like this happen all the time, especially when it's Bengals, Steelers. It's just like this. It's tight. It's tight. You get angry, you get frustrated, but you can't. You can't. You just. You just can't. You know, as much as I love you, I'm disappointed, obviously, in your actions. I'm gonna talk to you. I haven't had the chance today. You know, I'm. I didn't want to bother you, but if you look back, you think about it, you probably won't be in this situation again. Knowing the NFL and the way they discipline, they'll probably suspend you for a game. And, you know, it'll probably never happen again. It'll probably never happen again. But this is something you just can't do, Young bull. You. You. You can't. You can't do this. You can't.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Just own it. Just say, you know my emotions. Hey, Jaylen, I'm sorry my emotions got the best of me. When emotions are high, logic is low. Ram. I'm sorry I let my emotions get the best of me, y'. All, I was wrong. I was dead ass wrong for what I did. It's hard to do something now publicly, Ocho. And nobody sees it because everybody got cameras everywhere, huh? Because, Ocho, if they're having a conversation and you know, hey, sometimes when I get excited, I have to cut, man. I'm sorry. I mean, to spend. We've all done that. We get excited, we start talking, and we accidentally, accidentally spray them. But that was no spray, Ocho. That was not no spray. That was not a spray. And he did it. And he lied to reporters and he said, I ain't. I ain't open my mouth. You did Chase. You wrong, bro. You wrong. And I know that's not what you did. I'm not going to define you by that, but you did that. I Don't believe in Ocho. That, that, that. I think the worst thing that a person done that is that, that's who he. That who. Now, obviously, we got repeat offenders, but there's nothing in his history, nothing in his background that would suggest this is who he is. So I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt. Now, the NFL, they should sit. They got to sit you down. They've got to sit you down for a game. That's the least they can do. Jalen Ramsey, you're going to get fined a little fine, but they're not going to suspend you because you, because your suspension was. You got kicked out of the game. That was your, that was your punishment, and you're going to get fine. You'll probably get fined, I don't know, 12,000, 25,000, something like that. But, Chase, you're going to get suspended, and I don't know why. Chase. I don't know, Ocho. I've. And I've been mad. Ocho, I know you've been mad at people. I've been mad at people. I could but to spit on somebody. Do you know how disrespectful, how degrading that is as a black man? You. Chase, you'll know the history of. In Louisiana, in the South. That's what they used to do to your grandpa, your great grandpa, your great grandma.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know, when they was trying to integrate the schools. Come on, Chase, we got to be better than that. We can't do that to each other. I get it. Yeah, we get upset, said. Yeah, we get angry. But come on, we got to do better than that when it comes to each other for us. I might disagree with something you said. I might not like what you said. And like I said, hey, but I, I, I, I can't. I cannot do that. Because what happens is, Ocho, if you spit on somebody, whatever that individual does to you after that, I'm good with. Yeah, if they, Whatever he, Whatever. If you spit on somebody, and that goes for family members, anybody. If you spit on somebody, whatever that person does to you after that. Oh, well, you're right. Because, Ocho, the thing is, you get to control your actions. You don't get to control the consequences that comes from your actions.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. You're right.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm just, I'm just disappointed because he would have been the last person I would have thought that would do something like this. Like I said, I've been around him. Not, not like you, Ocho. I don't know like you, but he Was all, you know, guys, normally when they see me, they respect me. Hey, what's going on? How you doing? Blah, blah, blah. But, man, damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, and then.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And I want. And I want. And I wanted to believe because, like I said, I've been around Ram a little bit, but. And he's not. Like I said, no. The little bit of time I've been around him and what I seen him, you know, we DM'd a couple of times. He don't strike.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Honestly. You gotta think. You gotta think. These boys, especially when it comes to Jalen, when it comes to Uno, you know, I'm around these fellas consistently, all the time. You know, whether. Whether it's working out, whether it's hanging out, whether it's eating. I hang out. I hang out with Jalen when he's down. When he was down here in Miami. And obviously, you know, my. My relationship with Chase, you know, since he got drafted, now that's. That's something even. Even more close. And none of these individuals are like that. But emotions get the best of us at sometimes. Sometimes we make mistakes. And I've been in situations, we mostly got the best of me, and I've done things that are totally out of my character. Out of my character. It's totally uncharacteristic of who I am and who. What I represent and everything that I stand for. And I think this is one of those situations for Chase. This is something that happened where obviously logic was low because emotions were high. I was upset, I'm frustrated. The game's not going well. Then they got them trash talking to me. We going back and forth, and it just. It got the best of them. And I'm. I'm really not the one that's always that. That is in. In positions to be the voice of reason, but I'm probably one of the few people outside of family members that Uno will listen to. He will listen to and. And. And actually listen and take heed to what I'm saying, because I've been in situations where. Where. Where not to this magnitude. We're not thinking. We're not thinking straight. You know, it can cost you, you know, now this is going to cost him. It's not going to cost him, you know, as much as it did for me for being in a situation where my logic was low as hell.

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Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, it was super low, and it cost me a lot of. Now, this is just on a small scale still in a very disrespectful manner.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But that's why you're the perfect person to speak on this because you've been in a similar situation where emotion was high, logic was low. And sometimes when the situation like that, we let our emotion get the best of us, and that's not who we are. But in that moment, just for a second, you threw caution to the wind. We've all been there. And my thing is, Chase, you didn't have to lie. All we would. Everybody's gonna look at you a certain way, but you say, you know what? All you had to do is say, ram, I'm sorry. You should have went. You, hey. You should have made peace with that, man. Hey, y' all get me Ram's number. I'm gonna call him. I want to call him and tell him, as a man, I say, bro, I'm gonna tell the world that I did. I was wrong. I was dead ass. But I wanted to tell you first, man to man, ram, I'm sorry, bro. That ain't me, bro. You know me. That ain't me. We're. We're both competitors. You're fighting your ass off of your team. I'm fighting my ass off of my team. And my emotions got the best of me. Ram, I'm sorry, bro. Man, I. I. I really hope you forgive me. Because I don't want your family to. I don't want your family to look at me in that light, and I don't want my family to look at me in that light, to know that I did something like that, because I know my family would be very disappointing in me. So I'm coming to you as a man. But I'm gonna tell the world I did what I did. I did. And I want to apologize to you as a man. I'd have got him in the tunnel. I'd have went to the tunnel. I said, bro, hey, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. Look, I'm gonna do my press conference, but I'm gonna find Ram and say I'm sorry. I would have, and I think he will. And, hey, that's between him and Ram. I don't have to know about everybody talking about, well, he did it, but, nah, I'm good. Just apologize to the man, and we're gonna keep on moving. But just know, man, oo. It ain't like when you and I first got in the league. They got a couple of cameras, bro. They catching everything. They catch everything. And that's why you see guys cover their mouth when they talk to one another. Oo because guess what? People tried to read lips Y' all tried to read exactly what OO and I talking about, man. It seemed like he said, remember when Jaylen Brown was on the sideline and he and his girl and they was talking about Bronnie?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, yeah. On the side. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah. Hey, they did read his lips. That's right. That's right. I remember that. I remember that.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Exactly, exactly, exactly. And we gonna get, we gonna get.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This situation rectified, though. We gonna get. We gonna get it rectified.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I know, I know. Look, but let me ask you a question, Ojo. The league got to step in because we. We and it happened. It. I mean, but to see. I mean, what. I think this is the second or the third time that this has happened this year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, we had with Jalen Carter, Week.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

1 Carter against a dat. I think there was another situation.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm not sure.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It was college. It was college.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But listen, the league's gonna, gonna step in. They're gonna obviously discipline them. It'll probably, probably, probably be a one game suspension. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't call, I didn't call UNO tonight. I didn't call him tonight. He got enough to deal with as it is. You know, coming off a loss, I left. I allowed 24 hours to go by. So tomorrow, you know, I gotta fly to New York tomorrow. So when I fly to New York, I'm gonna take that time out. Being that this is, this is off day. I'm sure they're probably going to watch film and I'm gonna catch up later on in the evening and, and just talk to him, just talk to him a little bit about being able to use logic even in situations when you're not in your right state of mind, because at times it can cost you. And I'm the perfect example of not using your mind in the right state of mind. And it's not gonna cost you big this time, but it cost me my whole career, you know? So using that example with him in a small situation with. Which was extremely disrespectful, you know, would be perfect because I'm, I'm just, I'm a prime example.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yep. Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I told you before, we, we, we going, we going off the, the bang of game already.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

What you want to talk about? I'll give it a big but.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I don't know what you want. Listen, brother, Darnell Washington, the, the way he ate.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, uncle pissing me off, man. He's supposed. Hey, you supposed to be playing with a goddamn Nicks or something?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

No, actually, he's supposed to have a 70 number. He's supposed to be an offensive tackle. Hey, a joker. Six, seven. Because guess what? He got a job. Yes. You see how he moves?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Respectful. I'm like, why are you pushing on people like that? Why are you at tight end? Hey, hey, hey, hey. Darn I Washington, boy, you was balling out tonight. All Steeler fans, for those of you that in the chat, you know how I feel about you. I love you. I've always been respectful and shown sportsmanship and I've shown grace. Whether you won or whether we lost, I was always respectful. But Donnett, Washington, what you did to my teammates, I have to avenge them. So whenever I see you in public in the off season, just know we gonna squabble, we gonna square up and we gonna fight. But, boy, you had a hell of a game. Boy, you had a hell of a game. Salute to y', all Steeler fan. Congratulations on your win today. I love y'. All. Y' all got it. I hope Aaron Rodgers is okay. If he's not okay, I think it's his non throwing hand. I think something is wrist is non throwing him that might be broke. Aaron Rogers, do me a small favor. Put you a hard cast on there. Put your hard cast on there and let's play ball next week now. Let's play ball next week. We could play with that. Whether it's a small break, a little break, or.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I don't know. Why you talking about our team? Why you talking about our team? You're not even a Steeler. Well, I'm saying that's not just.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They're in the AFC north, so I feel compelled to be able to.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So are the Ravens my team?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on, Listen. I feel compelled to support them because my team is out right now. That's all.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, yeah, tv. I've been told you that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Because they all. Don't do that. Because if. If we won today, if we had won the game today, we would have had a chance.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But I told you you weren't going to win. I told you you're gonna lose your legs. I told you. How many games, Chad? How many times? How many times did y' all hear me telling Ocho y' all about to lose out? And although the window is open, Joe Burrow is back at practice a little ahead of schedule. 21 day. The 21 day window is open. He ain't coming back. Come back for what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's all good. It's all good. It's all good. It's all good.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But I know a team that did who won today. The team that I told you was going to win.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, the Raven. Yeah, the Ravens did win today. The Ravens beat the Browns.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Huh? And. And did. And my other team won. Wait a minute. Denver beat the Chiefs? Beat him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, it was field goal at the end of the game. Huh?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Beat him, got the ball and went down the field goal at the end.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Of the game, if I'm not mistaken, right? Okay.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, guess what? They counted point, field goal, field goal points, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. It do it do.

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