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Chad Ochocinco Johnson (8:36)

Hey. Well, one thing, one thing I can say is a lot of people will complain and the percentage of people that didn't enjoy, the percentage of people that didn't like it, the percentage of people that were think pieces and had huge dialogues on, on their displeasure with the halftime showman complaining about, oh, it was in Spanish. I didn't know what was going on. It's a very small percentage. It's a very small percentage. What people have to understand is that the NFL is trying to grow. They're trying to grow a consumer market outside of just the United States. They want to grow globally. That is the only way, growing globally that you continue to push the boundaries include cultural diversity. And I think they're doing a really good job at it. And if you think about it, we've given a different halftime performer almost to every different genre music. So whatever you do at this point, I think people still will not be happy. They're going to always complain about something. You will never be able to please everybody. So I like the direction that the NFL is going with the halftime shows and touching each and different genre of music and giving them their opportunity to have that big stage.

Liberty Said (9:40)

And I think his interview on Apple music is the most watched interview on that format. I think he did. He's 68 million and counting. But it's Always funny, the people that boycott, but they didn't tell nobody to boycott them when they perform. I know a guy that told me he had his own thing at another venue, but did you remember when he. Ain't nobody boycott. We ain't gonna get into that, Ocho. Let's not. Let's not.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (10:03)

Let's not do that.

Liberty Said (10:04)

What you're gonna talk about.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (10:05)

But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Liberty Said (10:07)

Listening at people, and they were Talking about, we paid 5, 000 a ticket, and we paid this. And it's like, I come to see Benito. I ain't know they call him Benito. I know. Benito Santiago. I didn't know. I didn't know that was his name, Bad Bunny. But it's like we come to see Benito, and they started speaking Spanish, and they were so excited. Yeah, they had on their team gear. They had on the Seahawks or they had on the Patriots. Somebody. I think I saw somebody. His team wasn't even in it. He said, I came to see Bad Bunny. I came to see Benito. Right? So.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (10:36)

Right, Right.

Liberty Said (10:37)

At some point, I mean, you're not. You're not gonna please everybody. When they had Kendrick, he wasn't broad enough. When they had Usher, he got old songs. When they had Rihanna, well, she showed up pregnant. They had Kendrick. And I'm. Excuse me, Dr. Dre and Snoop and Mary J. You're not going to please. When you got almost 400 million people in the United States, you're going to offend someone. But you know why? Because people are looking for reasons to get offended. Yes, Ocho, I don't like apples, okay? If I don't like apples just because I like something, that don't mean I hate something else. If you like oranges, that don't mean you hate apples and bananas. That means you like orange. You like mango, that don't mean you hate watermelon and honeydew. But people get so offended, they're looking for a reason to get offended. Oh, this is an American sport. This is. Okay. Broaden the horizons. You like American food, but you be tearing up some Mexican food. You tear up Indian food, you tear up Jamaican food. Y' all need to stop this and stop looking for reasons to get offended. Like I said, I ain't no one word. I couldn't tell you what his song was, but I was grooving, and the visual effects and the production was over the top. Over the top. I love how he played to his heritage, Ocho. I love the guys playing dominoes. I love the sugar cane. I love the. The. The. The Snow cones. I love. I love the ladies in the nail salon getting the hair done. I loved it.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (12:09)

Even if you don't understand the words, you become one with the music. Sometimes you go to the club. Hey, sometimes you go to the club, Unc. You can't even hear what's being. You can't even hear what's being played, but you become one with the music. It's easy to do. I think most of the people that were complaining, saying, oh, my goodness, I don't understand what he's saying. Okay, if you don't understand what he's saying, just go and flow with the beat. It's about rhythm. Maybe you don't. Maybe, hey, maybe you don't have rhythm. Maybe that's why they mad. Probably because if you got rhythm, all you do is you catch the beat and become one with the music and have fun. That kind of music is about a vibe you don't need to understand. When you travel to the doctor, when you travel to Spain, when you travel to Puerto Rico, when you travel to Brazil, you're not going to understand what they're saying. You're not going to understand the music or.

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Chad Ochocinco Johnson (12:53)

You're not going to stand the words, but you become one with the music depending on where you are. And people need to understand what the NFL is trying to do globally, not just here. We want it to be one of the best sports to watch outside of the U.S. and we're competing with soccer, which is number one outside of the.

Liberty Said (13:14)

U.S. well, soccer is the number one in the world because more the Europeans play it and more countries play it.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (13:18)

Yes.

Liberty Said (13:19)

African nation, European countries, of course they play soccer.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (13:22)

Of course.

Liberty Said (13:23)

Really? They don't play a bear. And that's why basketball is so big globally, because there's the Slovenians and the Serbians and they got so many different people. But when in football, every once in a while, Ocho, you'll get, like the gentleman we're going to bring on tonight. We'll get a few here and there that come from Cameroon or come from Nigeria, come from different countries, but not to the vast number that. Soccer. Not to the vast number. That's why baseball. They got the Puerto Ricans and they got the Dominicans and they got the, you know, the Nicaraguans and they got the Japanese with Shohei and these others, so. And the Panamania. Look, I. I've stopped. Look, I've stopped looking for things to get offended for. Unless you're speaking directly to me, I'm good.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (14:10)

Yeah. I mean, some people miserable.

Liberty Said (14:12)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (14:12)

There's nothing you could do about it. If some people are miserable and you have to allow them to live their miserable lives where nothing anyone else does is going to make them happy, they're going to find something wrong. They're going to nitpick at something, and it's unfortunate. That's some of the times that we're in now. We're in 2026. You know, when we talk about cultural diversity.

Liberty Said (14:33)

They don't want cultural diversity. They don't want what they want. They want them to stay here. Everybody else stays here.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (14:42)

Your opinion and no one else gets opportunity.

Liberty Said (14:45)

You should supersede yours. What? I want to supersede yours. So it ain't no diversity. I mean, look, and somehow, if somebody gets a job. Oh, they are dei. No one has benefited more from DEI than white women in America. But we ain't gonna have that discussion. We're not gonna have a real discussion.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (15:08)

Hey, well, we. We can't make it a political show. No, we. We can't. We can't do that. But they know we got to keep. We got to keep it.

Liberty Said (15:15)

But they know.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (15:17)

Yeah.

Liberty Said (15:18)

In colleges and Title 9 you. They know affirmative action, who's benefited the most. But y' all ain't ready to have that real conversation. But one day we will. Yeah, but it's. It's. Look, you know, The hammer and the nail can never be a rivalry.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (15:44)

Wait a minute. Take your time. I know something good coming. Take your time.

Liberty Said (15:48)

The nail and the hammer. How can they go back and forth? We know how it's going to end. The tree will never have a great relationship with an axe. Okay, come on, man. We gonna move it along. But they know. Y' all wanna. Y'. All. How does the gazelle get down and have a conversation. Sit down and have a conversation with the lions or the cheetah. How we should. We should be able to sit down, really. Okay, okay, okay.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (16:22)

Boy, you just. Hey, you just pulled some gems out of nowhere. You hear me?

Liberty Said (16:27)

Yeah.

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Hey, let me get.

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Liberty Said (16:29)

Yeah, we gonna have a. We're gonna have a real. We're gonna have a real conversation. Wow. But they know. Chat. Chat. They know. They know what's really going on.

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Oh, my goodness.

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Chad Ochocinco Johnson (19:10)

I'm feeling good I got to tell.

Liberty Said (19:12)

You how to take a nap how to treat me, how to talk to me. Ah, now I'm good. Last week, Jay Glazer made it clear that Max Crosby is done with the Raiders. Now Jason Lake and four reports that an unnamed general manager claims that Crosby has directly communicated his wishes to minority owner Tom Brady. He told Tom Brady he will never play for the Raiders again. The unnamed GM said that's a fact. He told him he'll retire before he ever plays for them again, but I'm not sure they're actually going to trade him. Miles Garrett said the same thing last year and we know how that ended up. Ocho, how do you see this situation unfolding?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (19:51)

Oh, man. Understanding. Understanding what Matt Crosby means to the Las Vegas Raiders. I'm not sure if things can be rectified at this point. No. Most of the time when the players get to this point like this, where he feels I really can't do it anymore, there might be some things going on behind the scenes internally that we don't know about. It's space for Macross to get to the point to where he is now, to even let someone outside that building know that I will never play here again. Especially if those words have been echoed to that of the greatest of all time, Tom Brady. He's not. He's not really playing. Especially someone like Max Crosby who wants an opportunity to win and understanding that being at loss at the Las Vegas Raiders, he's not going to have an opportunity to win. Hoping for a move similar to that of Dexter Lawrence in general, where he can go to a contender and hope that things turn out or pan out the way they should, where he can contribute on. On his side of the ball on defense. He can be an asset to so many different teams that are a piece or two away from actually contending and have a chance of reaching that end goal out there.

Liberty Said (20:48)

Well, the difference is that that D Law was unrestricted free agent, so he chose where he wanted to go. Max Crosby unfortunately is under contract for another three years. Three, four years. I'm not sure how long, how long Chad is contract is for, but he's not in that situation. And so probably we're going to want to get him out if, if they are to trade him. The conversations that they're having, Ocho, is that we want to get him out of the AFC and we want to get the most bang for our buck. Now who's going to give us the most compensation? Now I understand that sometimes when you have a relationship, a good relationship with a team, they'll work to send you to a place maybe to your heart desire. But I'm not so sure that's going to be the case when this situation he's one of your better players. He's if you know, I work with Jason at CBS also he's made if that's true. And Jay Glazer came on our show last year and said last week and said Max was done with the Raiders. Yeah, two guys I know pretty well I know Jason a little better because I worked with him for a number of years. If that's the case, the likelihood of them working with him, to send them to his ideal setting, probably not going to happen, Ocho. But I do see a scenario. If they're going to trade him, they're going to put him in the nfc because I ain't really trying to see this man in the afc and I damn sure not going to trade him within my division. That's. That's an absolute. No, no.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (22:14)

Right.

Liberty Said (22:14)

Even though some teams, you know, Kansas City would be more than glad to trade compensation to get him, but I don't see that happening. With that being said, Ocho, because he doesn't have. He's not unrestricted and he doesn't have a choice in the matter of where he goes. It's just hard. He has, he signed a three year, 160 million dollar contract extension in March of 25th. So he got some years on that contract, Ocho. So I don't.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (22:47)

Yeah, I mean, he does, but you have, you have to understand his value. You have to understand his value. Especially with Kubia coming over, understanding that there are so many pieces, so many missing holes, so many questions that need answers on that Las Vegas Raiders team that I don't think he will have a problem understanding the value that is Mac Crosby and allowing him to go elsewhere, even if it's to an AFC team. What pieces can I get for someone who is as valuable as him at the position and being able to continue to build for the future? If I couldn't win with you, then I have no problem winning without you. And I'll get as much as I can.

Liberty Said (23:22)

I'll lose with you. I can lose without you. I get what, I get what you're saying, but I think the thing is normally, yeah, teams that are most equipped to give up the most are teams, you know, and he doesn't want to go from a losing team to a losing situation. But I believe the Philadelphia Eagles will have something on the table. The Chicago Bears will put something on the table. I don't know if. I don't know, considering that they just gave Aiden Hutchinson that deal Jack Campbell's got. I don't know if they got Jack Campbell done this off last offseason or they're going to get him done this offseason that, you know, they got money tied up in Joseph. So they got. And you know, oh, Jameer Gibbs is due a contract.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (24:04)

Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely.

Liberty Said (24:06)

You took care of Panacea. You took care Of Jerry Goff. You took care of J. Mo, you.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (24:10)

Took care of J. Mo.

Liberty Said (24:11)

So. Yeah, but I think me, I think the Bears, I think Philly would have no problem, give up on the first and a third and maybe a third next year because he's that good. He's a, he's a, he's a game altering player and they don't come around very often. And I promise you there's no one in the draft that's as good as Matt Crosby. And I don't know who they have, I don't know how high who's rated where on the defensive side of football, but I guarantee you there's not a guy coming out in the draft that's better than Max Crosby will be next year in 26.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (24:46)

Not, not even close coming out of the draft. I mean, please, I mean no disrespect to those coming out of the draft, but there was nothing like Matt Crosby based on the resume that he proven, you know, done, done so far in la. Can you imagine Matt Crosby with a star on his helmet? Oh my God. Can you imagine Max Crosby with a star on his helmet?

Liberty Said (25:03)

No, I mean with him. I mean, come on, man, he's a game changer. I mean he changes. He, he's gonna alter wherever defense he goes. And the more talent you have around him, the better he's going to be. You put him in Philly.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (25:15)

Yep.

Liberty Said (25:16)

You put him in, in Chicago or you put him on the Dallas, the rape. Could the Ravens put a package together?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (25:26)

Oh, not, not be talking because it's.

Liberty Said (25:28)

They, they need, they need a, a game changer and they haven't had a game changer in a while.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (25:35)

Hey, listen, I, I know you haven't said it, and one thing we haven't had either over there in the 5, 1, 3 over there in Cincinnati.

Liberty Said (25:40)

Yes.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (25:40)

Right across, right, right on the river. We haven't had a game changer. Do, do I see them having the, the money to be able to, to take care of Matt Crosby, Understanding how much we need on the defensive end as well. We need some pieces at, at one level. I mean, either we're gonna get one at the first level or the third level or maybe at the second level and the first level. But we need, we need two, two impact players that can make a difference over there on our team as well now that the season is done. You can, and you can. You kind of look at each team and, and you can see what teams need, you know, going forward, especially those that already have a quarterback in place to to actually give you a chance. Most of the time those answers are going to be impact players on defense, mostly the offensive line. If you already have a quarterback or impact receiver.

Liberty Said (26:26)

Yeah, Buffalo. Can Buffalo put a package together that's not fair because I think the thing at the end of the day, he wants to win. So who's close to winning? Who has a quarterback? The situation at quarterback is stable enough that's conducive to give him a chance to win 27, 26, 27, 28 until his contract's up. You look at Philly, obviously they just won the super bowl last year, so they're equipped. You look at, you look at Chicago got to the division around this. They're young, up and coming team. I think they're a piece of weight defensively. You mentioned the Cowboys, Buffalo quarterback situation, Cincinnati quarterback situation, Baltimore quarterback situation. So I think there are some places that, that have a quarterback in place, have a team that he's going to instantaneously make that deep, make that defense better. So just imagine what a team can play with a lead. So that's what was so impressive about Miles Garrett. There are very few times that his team had to leave. He got 23 sacks and, and, and 85 of the time they were down time.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (27:35)

Yeah.

Liberty Said (27:36)

And he put them numbers like that. They're losing by double digits and he's still getting three, four, five sacks in a game. So imagine if they got a sit. They're in a situation where they play with a lead and he can just go hunt the quarterback.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (27:49)

Just go, yeah, that'll be.

Liberty Said (27:51)

But definitely Max Crosby is going to make somewhat if, if they trade him. And we're speaking hypothetically because we've heard two insiders say that Max Crosby is not going to be playing for the Ravens. We hear Jason Luckenborg says that he's talked to a general manager and that he's relayed this message to minority owner Tom Brady that I'm done with y'. All. He didn't take Kylie to be invincible. Like I've been playing with this banging up me all year now all of a sudden, yeah, y' all want me to sit out? Yeah, don't worry about it. I'll sit out from y' all for the next 10 years.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (28:23)

Yeah, I can think of something too. And obviously them continue them benching him might be a sign. It might be a sign to him. Listen, we don't want you to get hurt. We want you to, want you to sit down. We want you to heal up to make sure that trade Value. We're going to give you what you want. You requested it. We're going to give you what you want. I want you to stay out. I don't want you to get, we don't want you to get yourself hurt, because we want to get as much as we can back for you. All right, Jacksonville, don't worry about it. Yeah. Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. Especially with the way they playing now. They get that Ferrari coming out the garage after being down for a little bit with Trevor Lawrence playing really, really good, really good football right now. I, I like that, I like that. Especially on that defense. That's a good one.

Liberty Said (29:10)

And so he's going to be looking to go, like I said, he's probably going to go to one of the teams that we mentioned. The question is, who's just going to give us the most compensation? Because that's what they need. They need, they need draft picks. They need draft capital. They need to build this team. You look at Seattle, how they built their team. A lot of, a lot of drafted players. Yeah, you got to go get a Leonard Williams. Yeah, you gotta get a D Law to come over free agency. But you drafted Spoon, you drafted Woland. Yeah. Julian Love came over in free agent. Free agency, you get, you get lucky. You got really, really lucky with Sam Darnold because normally guys that win 14 games, the other team is not letting them go. It's just not. Yeah, you drafted a jsn. You look at an offensive line that they have, they drafted a K9. So sometimes you gotta be a little lucky. But I think the thing is that there are seven or eight teams out there that does have the draft capital to, I think to appease the Raiders, and I think it appease Max Crosby as well, because, I mean, selfishness of me. I do like when great players get an opportunity to compete and see themselves, see them on the highest level, just like basketball players. I mean, you want to see a LeBron, you want to see KD, you want to see Steph compete on the highest levels, not be mired in mediocrity. So.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (30:36)

Or, or, or being too loyal to stay at one place for a very.

Liberty Said (30:39)

Well, that was Kevin Garnett. He was loyal to the soul until he realized that, man, I ain't winning nothing. Dame. I think that happened to Dame.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (30:46)

Dame. Yeah, yeah. And staying in Portland, you know, a little too long.

Liberty Said (30:51)

So I, I, I think the Raiders, look, they, they got the number one pick in the draft, though, Joe. Uh, many believe they're gonna go for a quarterback. They believe it's gonna be Mendoza. It's hard to argue that like I said, but they're not a handful of but a handful of quarterbacks. That's you know, I think that are game changers. But we'll see.

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Liberty Said (33:18)

All right, all right. We got a very, very special guest joining us. He had a pick six, took it to the house or should have won the wosu. Did I get it right?

Champion Ochinoa Nwosu (33:31)

But you got it right.

Liberty Said (33:32)

I've been trying to say this thing all day because I'm like, hold on. I wonder if the end is silent. Then I had to go back and listen to the. Listen to the. The TV copy when Mike Tirico on the call, but he said the first name so damn fast. I'm like, well, damn, I get. But what's the first name? So.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (33:52)

So, hey, you won before. You won before. So I need to take this moment so I can get a better. A better understanding of what it feels like. Uchina, you finally won a Super Bowl, Uncle. You won multiple Super Bowls. So you know what that feeling is already. Like, for. You need to let me live vicariously through you and give me explanation. We all come from different backgrounds. We all got to our end goal in different ways. What does it finally feel like to understand all the work you've put in? Whenever you started playing football, you reach the promised land, the plateau, the highest of them all, the biggest game, and you finally win one. Let tell me what that feels like. As if I'm a little kid because I didn't play 12, 13 some years, but I've never, ever had the opportunity to have that feeling that you having right now. So just. Just give it to me. Rolling up. My bad.

Liberty Said (34:41)

Pause. Yeah, yeah, my bad. Hey, let's. Let's. We're gonna rewind that. We're gonna rewind that and then we're gonna play.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (34:50)

I got it. My bad, My bad. Just give it. Give it to me and give it to him.

Liberty Said (34:54)

Straight.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (34:56)

Straight. Yeah, there you go. That's a good one. My bad.

Champion Ochinoa Nwosu (34:58)

Well, to be honest with you, man, like, honestly, I. I'm not feeling how I thought I was gonna feel. Just if I'm being honest with you, like, real. Yeah, it's like, I don't know. The coaches have us wired in a way to where like every game is just like another game, right? Went out there and play. That's truly how it felt. Like it was just another game to us. Like, we expect to win. We expect to go into every match. Like, you know, we're gonna dominate these guys. And, you know, it was all said and done. It's like, okay, like, what's next? You know, we got another game. That's just how I felt. But I'm sure, like, once I see that.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (35:30)

Yeah.

Champion Ochinoa Nwosu (35:34)

But Right now, I don't know. I just don't feel like how I thought I would feel. I don't know. It's crazy.

Liberty Said (35:38)

Yeah, that's funny. I mean, you're not the first guy that I. That. That I've heard say that. But I think the thing for. For me is that everything as an individual, like, okay, I want to make the Pro Bowl, Ocho. I want to lead the team or I want to lead the league, or I want to be an All Pro. That's an individual goal. But only one team. You know, there are four guys that make the Pro bowl for. For wide receiver. There are three or three defensive linemen that make the Pro bowl as a D lineman, but there can only be one super bowl champ. That means for the year, you get the basket, all the glory. And you mentioned. You said something very interesting. You, like, the coach has us wired that we take one game at a time. And you like, okay, what's next? But this was the culmination. So going into the week, you're like, okay, you watching them on tape. Because the difference is, like, you know, you play a regular season game, you watch four games. You watch the last four games this team played. But when you watch this team, you watch everything. You go back from week one, you go to the playoffs, they sprinkle a little preseason in there. And so, yeah, you guys were locked in from the jump. I mean, yeah, I'm gonna throw that last quarter out because y' all was in, and y'. All. Y' all like, okay, let's not get reckless and do anything like that. And they got some of the cheap yardage. He threw for the most yards in a single quarter than anybody in the history of the game. And the game was a blowout. So why. How were you guys so able to get locked in and just basically have a bead on everything they were doing, man?

Champion Ochinoa Nwosu (37:02)

Shout out to Coach Mike, man. He. He's like a nerd when it comes to his football stuff, man. He's in the lab, man. He's studying hard. He's making sure we're in the right. You know, the right calls. He's preparing. He's got assistant coaches, you know, making sure we know what's going on. We on the game plan. We studying every day. We watching film. We have about two, three, four meetings a day. We just so locked in. We're just communicating. We're talking just the overall. Just the whole team is just buying into what was going on, and we realized what was at stake. It was a super Bowl. So everybody was just locked in. Man, we just had one mission and one goal. We accomplished it.

Liberty Said (37:33)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (37:33)

Hey, with. With that goal to accomplish, did you expect to dominate the game the way you dominated it defensively? Because defensively, you guys won that game. Obviously, offensively, Kenneth Walker, keeping that balance when you need to throw you through, but because you ran the ball so well, simply, you were able to control most of the game. Defensively, you watch, obviously, you're going in. You what? You watch film. You see how the Patriots look. You saw how they look in the playoffs. You see how they looked in the regular season, and you take bits and pieces of what you're going to get based on their tendencies. Dude, bro. You dominate the whole game to the point where some people are saying the game was a snooze fest. Not understanding. No, this is. This is the defensive game. The defenses are controlling the game.

Champion Ochinoa Nwosu (38:10)

Yeah, they got a great defense over there. They got a lot of players over there. They're.

Liberty Said (38:14)

They're.

Champion Ochinoa Nwosu (38:14)

Db, number zero. He was playing phenomenal. Yeah, Milton Williams, they made. Made plays. Number 33, Jennings, he made play. They was just making plays.

Liberty Said (38:23)

But we knew.

Champion Ochinoa Nwosu (38:24)

We kind of knew going into this week that, you know, we want to show that we was going to be the best defense in the world, which we did. And we had our mindset made up that we're not going to let these guys come out here and, you know, do what they did to all these other teams. We know we get after Drake, may we kill their engine, which is him. They got nothing left, and we made sure we made that happen.

Liberty Said (38:41)

When I look at you guys on defense, you're not that complex. Y' all play. Y' all play quarters, coverage. You keep the safeties back. And y', all, you say you're not running the football. And so we won't have to drop a safety down, because when I look. Yeah, you. You show something. Now. Y' all brought a lot of slot. Blissy, Spoon. You normally see Spoon. Yeah, y' all saw something on tape because y' all brought Spoon a little bit more than I'm used to seeing him. Not Matt. Normally, that's a worry. He normally comes on, but this time he was back and Spoon was coming. What did y' all see to, like, you know what? We can catch him with the slot.

Champion Ochinoa Nwosu (39:18)

Yeah, you just got to switch it up. You know, I'm sure they go back and they do their study. They see we bring Nick a lot with a lot of pressures. So Mike said, you know what? Guess what? We're Gonna bring Spoon. And Spoon's a great blitzer. Spoon is fast, man. He can make lineman miss, he can juice. He can just get to the quarterback in a hurry.

Liberty Said (39:36)

Same thing with Nick.

Champion Ochinoa Nwosu (39:37)

And so Mike just saw that, he switched it up. Nick's a great blitzer, but, you know, we switch it up with the Spoon, and he made play.

Liberty Said (39:43)

He timed those blitzes perfect. Because when he's going, I mean, he hit it on a dead run every time when they snapped the. He was on a dead run. And it's hard because like you said, they so small, big linemen used to blocking guys like yourself. And so when you get a DB and he doing all this right here, they got no chance. They got no chance. So.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (40:03)

Hey, hey, hey. One thing I want to say, Lt. Did coach, without you being disrespectful to your opponents, did coach. Most of the time, you're going to a gay plan. Going the game plan. You're going to a game. Most of the time, you want to recognize who the fish is, and you draw a circle around the fish's head. The fish is the wink link. Obviously, you have five people in the office of line, but there's always one weak link. Based on the game we saw, it was three fish, and it started from the center going all the way to the left. Was it. Was that addressed before the game started based on what you saw from their officer line played throughout the week?

Champion Ochinoa Nwosu (40:36)

Absolutely. But instead of fish, we call it tilapia. So we knew from the center all the way to the. To their. Their left, our right. You know, those two rookies we got, we got to take advantage of those.

Liberty Said (40:47)

Right?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (40:47)

Okay.

Champion Ochinoa Nwosu (40:48)

They're down the road. They'll be, you know, good players. They'll develop. But going into this game, we couldn't let that slide. We have to get out.

Liberty Said (40:53)

And the thing when you get a push, you don't let him off the hook. And I saw because they ended up putting D Law. D Law normally rushes on the. Off his office's right side, the defensive left side. They're like D. Long said, let me get some of this, man. Y' all over there eating and don't even bite me. Let me get a piece of this young fella. Yeah. When Spoon came on that blitz and you were right there because they made the mistake because Spoon got through. The guy blocked you. And Spoon just closed so quick because he was getting ready to throw, and you were Johnny on the spot. So when you see Spoon hit his arm and the ball's up in there, what's going through your mind, Man, I just was reacting.

Champion Ochinoa Nwosu (41:33)

Honestly, I didn't even think. I just caught the ball and just took off running. Look left and right, hope I ain't get caught. No DB that's all was good. I was out of there.

Liberty Said (41:42)

Yeah. I mean, you gotta think, hey, did.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (41:46)

It feel like he was running it? Oh, I was gonna say, did it feel like he was running in slow motion, like you running a quicksand even though nobody was around you?

Champion Ochinoa Nwosu (41:52)

Yeah. It's weird because that was my first time, like, being in that position, like, catching up. Like, you receive, right? You guys do it all the time, but me, I'm like, oh, okay. This is how it is. Let me just go ahead and not.

Liberty Said (42:02)

Fall, not run out of bounds.

Champion Ochinoa Nwosu (42:04)

Let me not do something, man, you.

Liberty Said (42:05)

Ain'T have no celebration set up. You. I mean, you gotta have celebration. Like, man, if I get a scooping score, I get a pick six.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (42:11)

Yeah.

Liberty Said (42:12)

I get something, I gotta do something. You ain't have nothing planned?

Champion Ochinoa Nwosu (42:16)

Well, being from Los Angeles, I usually hit my squabble. I'm sure you guys heard that before.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (42:21)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Champion Ochinoa Nwosu (42:22)

Things was moving so fast, man. I was like, man, let me just celebrate with my teammates and just, you know, because we got to go back on defense again, right?

Liberty Said (42:29)

You guys, look, I. I was. I was thinking, like, man, they might not score. This might be a situation. So at. Because first half, nothing. Third, I mean, basically through three quarters. And then did it dawn on you at any point in time, say, you know what, man, we might shut these guys out. Hey, guys, man, let's see if we can push this shutout.

Champion Ochinoa Nwosu (42:50)

Yeah, that's exactly what we were saying on sidelines. Like, yo, keep that goose egg up there. Don't let them score. Don't let them score. You know, they. They was able to move down the field. They got that bomb on to Mac, to Matt Hollands, and they got that scramble pass to Stevenson coming out on the goal line area. But we tried, man, we really tried to pitch that shout out. That would have been a great accomplishment of Super Bowl.

Liberty Said (43:09)

Yeah. Plus, when you think about Seattle, obviously, the Legion of Boom. You know, you got Sherm and you got Earl Thomas, and you got those guys, B Wag. You got that. Yeah, but you guys have established an identity on your own. Yeah, everybody's gonna remember historic defense. They will get remembered. But you started something on you guys own. You call you guys up. What's this mob?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (43:32)

The. The dark side, huh?

Champion Ochinoa Nwosu (43:34)

The dark side.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (43:35)

Yeah, Dark side. I'm a part of that?

Liberty Said (43:38)

Yeah, yeah.

Champion Ochinoa Nwosu (43:41)

That's just something that we just try to bring, you know, our own identity. Of course, we respect the Legion of Boom and what they've done. So we've kind of try to, you know, integrate our own way of life, our own thing. Mob, which stands for Mission over bs, came up with. And it's something that's stuck. It's like our creed, something that we live by. And the dark side is just something that the defense is just incorporated into something we just built on.

Liberty Said (44:04)

I look at you guys, get Ernest Jones. Ernest Jones was traded like twice in a single season. You get Big Leonard Williams, yourself. You come over from the Chargers. When you look at this team and how you guys. D Law came over in free agency, and you look at how this team is constructed, you guys are built. You guys are built. That it doesn't guarantee you because, you know, every year is different because we said the same thing about the Eagles, that the Eagles are gonna be back, and, boy, look out there, blah, yada, yada, it's gonna be different because everybody's gonna break you guys down. It's like, okay, look, they like to keep them safeties back. We've got to run the football. So it's going to be a different year. But the guys, the way you're constructed, you guys are built the last. You got a young football team, you got a hungry coach, and I think you got a group of hungry young men. What's your mindset going into the off season? Because I'm sure you need some time away. It's been a grind. For five months, six months, it's been a grind. You want to get away from it, but when will you start getting him back into it? And when will you start, like, okay, start getting into the group chat, start talking to guys. Okay, what's the plan for next season?

Champion Ochinoa Nwosu (45:11)

Yeah, like you said, you definitely want to get away. It's been a long season. This is my first time playing this long. It's everybody's first time really playing this long, except for a couple guys, Coop and ej, but definitely relax, get our bodies right. And it starts with OTAs, because that's where it started for us last year. You know, we made up that. That identity that we wanted to start in OTAs and build who we are, start that brotherhood, that. That creed, that togetherness, that camaraderie that we build. All Stars and OTAs off season workouts, everybody showing up, being there for each other, and that's where we start to build this thing for next year.

Liberty Said (45:44)

He had an unbelievable game. Zach Pick took it to the house, got so excited. Forgot a celebration. World champion Seattle Seahawks or channel nwosu. Enjoy it. That ring is going to be something crazy because it seems like every year the goal is to top from the previous year. You saw what the Eagles look back. I'm sure Jason Beverly Hills is on speed dial because I know the fact. Hey, y', all. Ring might be this side right here. It might be. I don't know. I don't know if you're gonna be able to lift your hand, hold that big old piece of rock.

Champion Ochinoa Nwosu (46:20)

I got a question, though.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (46:22)

Yeah.

Champion Ochinoa Nwosu (46:22)

Yellow gold or white diamonds?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (46:25)

White. White. It's clean.

Liberty Said (46:28)

It's up about that white. It's up about that white gold, man.

Champion Ochinoa Nwosu (46:31)

Okay. We was deciding that as other leaders on this, on the team, what we should go with. But I'm gonna go by y'.

Liberty Said (46:36)

All.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (46:36)

Yeah, yeah. That. That white gonna be beautiful. Listen, I never won a ring as someone as. That's somewhat of a jewel. A Jew connoisseur. It's gonna. It's gonna stand out. Sure.

Liberty Said (46:47)

Well, congratulations, man. Enjoy it. If you get an opportunity. Well, they probably. Your guys are probably always. You guys are back in Seattle now, right?

Champion Ochinoa Nwosu (46:56)

Yep. Yeah, I got back this morning.

Liberty Said (46:57)

Did you have an exit. Did you have an exit today or is it tomorrow? Okay. All right. If you get an opportunity to see ej, Tell him to come back and join us because he told us, you win the bowl, you gonna come back. So we expect him to come back.

Champion Ochinoa Nwosu (47:08)

Yeah, for sure. I'll let him.

Liberty Said (47:10)

I appreciate it, man. Congratulations. Great job, great season, continued success, my brother.

Champion Ochinoa Nwosu (47:16)

Thanks, fellas.

Liberty Said (47:17)

Appreciate you.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (47:20)

You know what I. I think. No, I think a lot of people don't realize is. Is you look at some of the. Some of the. Some of the sports figures that we've had on the show or some of the people that we have on the show in general. You understand? Do you. Do you see, if you do your homework, Chat. See the luck and the success that everyone that has come on the show has had in their respective crafts. And what I'm not saying it's because they came on Nightcap. I'm just saying maybe it's some type of coincidence. And I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but everyone that comes on the show has some type of success in whatever it is that they're doing in life. And I just find that, like, you know.

Liberty Said (47:53)

Yeah, I think everybody came on. I think the team at least made the playoffs.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (47:57)

Yeah. Yeah.

Liberty Said (47:58)

Except. Except Kansas City Thornton came On and didn't make the playoffs. But you look at Jalen Johnson and the. And the. What you call them, they made the playoffs, the Bears. Leonard Williams came on. E.J. came on. The guy that plays opposite of verse for the Rams, he came on. So, yeah, you come on. No guarantee, but there's a great probability in all likelihood.

Liquid IV Advertiser (48:23)

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Chad Ochocinco Johnson (48:24)

Yeah.

Liberty Said (48:24)

Oh, yo. The Vikings are expected to add a veteran quarterback to the roster, and rumors are first Cousins. Kirk Cousins could be back in Minnesota. The Falcons are expected to cut Cousins before the new league year begins in March. Ocho, do you want to see Cousins back in Minnesota?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (48:42)

I think it would be dope. I think it'd be great. I think it'd be great for Justin Jefferson. Huh? Obviously, I had an appearance with Justin Jefferson with. With Lowe's in San Francisco before. Before I got home and the news had already broke that the rumors had already broke. A Went across a ticker on ESPN about them, the Falcons releasing Kirk Cousins at some point. And I asked. I asked jj, you know, how would you feel about that? Listen, the more people in the quarterback room, the merrier. You know, having that veteran presence would be good.

Liberty Said (49:12)

McCarthy out.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (49:15)

I mean, obviously I know that because we know what Justin Jefferson was able to do with Kirk Cousins. We know Kirk Cousins at the helm, at that quarterback position who already knows that offense, you know, what the numbers gonna look like during the regular season, you know, you know what they're going to look like.

Liberty Said (49:30)

But JJ gonna have 115 catches. 16, 17.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (49:35)

1600. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Most definitely. So with him, with. With JJ understanding that and really being PC with his answer, to me, he was. He was cheering for both quarterbacks. And if Kirk Cousins has the opportunity to come back, listen, more quarterbacks in the quarterback room, the better for us as a team collectively. But, I mean, I think it's cool. I think it makes the most sense.

Liberty Said (49:57)

It's a.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (49:57)

It's an offense that Kirk is familiar with. You saying he might be JJ McCarthy out. Let's say he doesn't be JJ McCarthy out. It's a good veteran presence to have in that. In that locker room. And if. If JJ starts playing bad, they won't have any problem. They won't have any issues, you know, making that switch and making that change. At any point, if they feel they have an opportunity to. To contend and make.

Liberty Said (50:20)

I believe that's one of the reasons that they moved on from Darnold. They knew Darnold would beat him out. Ocho, if I bring a veteran in.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (50:26)

Oh, yeah, okay.

Liberty Said (50:29)

I Got to bring one that can't win the job.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (50:33)

Yeah.

Liberty Said (50:34)

If I bring a veteran and he good. I didn't, I did. Ocho, I didn't like this signing from Atlanta from day one. I didn't. No. And I said it, I said Ocho.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (50:49)

The bet they needed, they need a security blanket.

Liberty Said (50:51)

I'm saying for Atlanta. Oh what they had, what they had to sign him for coming off that injury. I said the best you could possibly hope for. You hoping that the man gives you two years, but what if he only gives you one? And then you go draft a quarterback that high. You drafted a quarterback that already had multiple injuries. It didn't make a whole lot of sense. And Matt Ryan didn't make, he was non committal to Pennix Jr. Like, well, you know, hey, we know. I see him up there all the time. I mean, you know, I'm in the building often and, and, and, and I know he's working hard. That wasn't no commitment. I didn't know. Yeah, he's our quarterback.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (51:35)

But you, you also have to understand Matt Ryan knows what you need. Matt Ryan, quarterback, he's, he's, yeah, he's an evaluator of talent. He knows what it's supposed to look like and he knows what you need to get over the hump. Obviously not winning a Super bowl, but.

Liberty Said (51:48)

Going to 1 and 23 lead. All they had to do was run the football, run the ball.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (51:55)

Yeah. That wasn't, that wasn't his fault. That wasn't, it wasn't much he could do in that situation because he wasn't called.

Liberty Said (52:00)

If I got a 28, 3 lead, there is no way in hell the team that has three have more rush attempts in the second half than me.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (52:11)

Me.

iHeartRadio Advertiser (52:11)

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Liberty Said (52:12)

Let that sink in. The team that's losing 283 got more rush attempts than the team winning 28 3. Make it make sense.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (52:19)

That's crazy.

Liberty Said (52:20)

But I tell you what, who didn't make that mistake? Clint Kubia can't make that mistake, did he? I don't give a damn. You. Hey, I understand. I'm sorry. Hey, K9, I'm sorry you lost three yards but we're gonna hand it to you again.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (52:31)

Yeah, and get that three Exactly.

Liberty Said (52:34)

Because I, I, I've got to because that's time. Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. Because you throw it in incomplete, stops the clock.

Liquid IV Advertiser (52:43)

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Liberty Said (52:43)

If I run the ball, if I get one first down, Ocho, I'm gonna take damn near three minutes off the clock with one first down. Don't let me get two or three. And that's all they needed to do. What? Hey, that happened many, many years ago. But, yeah, I. I definitely think the Vikings. The Vikings are kicking themselves. They saw Sam Darnold. Now, that's not to say Sam Donald would have led them. I'm not saying that. But Sam Darnold was better than what you had. You make the. I believe you make the playoffs with Sam Darnold, and now with that, you take Sam Donald away from the Seahawks. Now they've got to go in a different direction.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (53:23)

Yeah.

Liberty Said (53:24)

So not only do I build, I build myself up, Ocho. I weaken an opponent. Because at the end of the day, isn't that what I'm trying to do? Yes, I'm trying to. I'm trying to win. It's like I'm in court. I'm. Yes, I'm trying to. I'm trying to make a very compelling argument for my client, but I'm also trying to punch holes in the prosecution or the defense.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (53:46)

Right.

Liberty Said (53:46)

So if I can do two things, I'm cool. I got it. Yeah, you don't.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (53:52)

Mm. You know what I think? I'm not saying they would have won a Super bowl, but I think offensively, that defense over there in Minnesota was good enough, especially with Brian Flores calling that defense. He didn't have the legion. He didn't have the legion of boom. He didn't have the dark side similar to that of. Of the Seattle Seahawks in the. In the defense they have. But the pieces that he did have, he always put him in the right.

Liberty Said (54:18)

Yeah, they could get out the quarterback. Now, they know they weren't. They weren't as. They weren't as formidable as the Seahawks, but with a different quarterback. Now, maybe they're playing more this. I mean, you think about it. Sam Darnold tied for the league. League and interceptions. I mean, for turnovers.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (54:33)

Yeah.

Liberty Said (54:33)

So imagine if they didn't have to defend as much as they had to defend.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (54:37)

Had to. Yeah.

Liberty Said (54:39)

You saw them yesterday. You saw them in the postseason. I think they're the first team in postseason history to go the entire postseason a minimum of three games and not turn the ball over.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (54:49)

Hey, and that. That. That. That was the issue. That's all we wanted to know, though. Can he do it? Can he keep the ball out of the other team's hand?

Liberty Said (54:57)

That's my only concern.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (54:58)

They will have it. They will have. They will have an opportunity.

Liberty Said (55:00)

They got it. Look, there are a handful of teams. I look at Houston, I look at Seattle, and I look at the Broncos they had defenses that could win you a game. All I need the office to do, not to do is F it up. Up. You go back and look at Houston. What did the office do in New England? F it up. What did the offense for the Broncos do in Denver? F it up. Seattle's offense didn't Monk it up for the defense. And they're the world champs for a reason.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (55:33)

Yeah.

Liberty Said (55:33)

And that's what you have, that's complimentary football. They didn't put the ball on the ground. They didn't give. They didn't give. Put their defense in harm's way. Ocho giving them short fields. They didn't give scooping scores. Pick sixes and okay, good luck driving the ball 75, 80 yards on this defense, you might get one. But if you think you about to make a living going 12, 13 plays, taking seven, eight minutes off the clock. Okay, let me know how to work out for you at the end of the game.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (56:02)

Not happening. Not against that defense.

Liberty Said (56:04)

No, it's not. But I can see Cousins going back. I don't know where he's going to live. I don't know. I mean, I'm assuming he's from Michigan. He went to Michigan State, so I'm assuming he's from somewhere. Michigan, the Midwest. He seems more of a Minnesota, Michigan type of guy as opposed to Atlanta type of a guy. But I understand Minnesota moving on because he tore, he tore the Achilles. Ocho, I can't give. I mean, Atlanta basically gave him $50 million coming off on the tour. A guy that's non mobile, that's coming off an Achilles injury.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (56:47)

No, hey, hold on. And now he's a year removed from.

Liberty Said (56:51)

Yeah, another year removed from that.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (56:53)

So he'll be that, he'll be that, that much better.

Liberty Said (56:56)

He's familiar. He's. He spent what, three, four years in that system with Kevin o', Connell, so he knows it. You know, just unlearn, you know, the two years that he was in Atlanta and learned that. That won't take long because I remember when I went to Baltimore having to learn a new system. When I got back to Denver, Ocho, in like three or two or three days, it was good. I was absolutely good. But Minnesota making use of veteran. You said it. Use a veteran presence. But at the end of the day, J.J. mcCarthy is going to have to become something. Ocho, because you gave up. It's not like ocho. He got $4 million in incentives. Ocho you could have tied. You could put that. Minnesota could have gave those same incentives. Damn you could have gave him those same incentives. It's not. If Sam Darnold is 33, maybe I can get Sam Darnold. Probably only like 26, 27.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (57:51)

Yeah. I didn't think. They didn't want to keep him on because they knew he wasn't gonna be. He wasn't gonna be Sam out there. It wasn't gonna make no sense. It wasn't gonna make no sense, especially coming off the season he just had no. Let's go ahead and get rid of them. Let's go ahead and get rid of them. Let J.J. mcCarthy take the hand.

Liberty Said (58:12)

You ain't gonna be looking on your shoulder because what you call them. Sam Darnold's gonna be in front of you. You look over your shoulder with something behind you. Sam's gonna be in front. That man won 14 games, Ocho. Hell, I think he went to the Pro bowl last year. Sam's 28. So. Hello. How old? J.J. mcCarthy. J.J. mcCarthy. Probably 24. So we'll see how this thing plays out. Yeah. Hey, this is what the off season for. They're gonna be a lot of moving and shaking, Ocho. I think we're gonna have a. A season where a lot of turnover.

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Liberty Said (58:50)

JJ is 23.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (58:54)

Damn. That's it.

Liberty Said (58:55)

You know, he came out early.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (58:57)

Oh, that's right. Golly. He going into his third year, right?

Liberty Said (59:03)

Third year.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (59:09)

That's crazy.

Liberty Said (59:10)

Yeah. I mean, if. If you don't red shirt. Yeah. You gonna come out at it at 21, 22. Because I didn't register. So I got drafted at 21, turned 22 in June. If you red shirt, you're gonna probably be 23. Now. If you red shirt and still come out or. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes you red shirt and come out as a. As a. As a sophomore. You know what I'm saying? So we'll see. We'll see how that. How that plays out for him. But the Minnesota boy, they blew that one. Everyone deserves to be connected. That's why T Mobile and US Cellular are joining forces. Switch to T Mobile and save up to 20% versus Verizon by getting built in benefits. They leave out. Check the math@t mobile.com switch. And now T Mobile is in US cellular stores. Savings versus Comparable Verizon plans plus the cost of optional benefits. Plan features in taxes and fees vary. Savings for with three plus lines include third line free via monthly bill credits. Credits stop if you cancel any lines. Qualifying credit required.

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