Nightcap - Hour 1: Ben Johnson Bears, Travis Hunter Browns?, Lamar road block

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Nightcap - Hour 1 Summary

Podcast Information:

• Title: Club Shay Shay
• Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts, The Volume, and Shay Shay Media
• Description: NFL legend Shannon Sharpe—3x Super Bowl champion and member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame—sits down with the biggest athletes, celebrities, and influencers to discuss their accomplishments, challenges, and everything in-between.
• Episode: Nightcap - Hour 1: Ben Johnson Bears, Travis Hunter Browns?, Lamar Road Block
• Release Date: January 22, 2025

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1. Hiring Ben Johnson as Chicago Bears Head Coach

Timestamp: [04:12] – [09:26]

Analyst 1 announces that Ben Johnson, the Detroit Lions' offensive coordinator for the past three seasons, has agreed to become the Chicago Bears' next head coach, succeeding Matt Eberfl. Johnson's track record with the Lions, where the offense consistently ranked in the top five, is highlighted as a significant asset for the Bears.

Notable Quote:

• Analyst 3 ([04:41]): "You goddamn right I like the hire... The creativity that has amazed all of us all season long."

The analysts discuss how Ben Johnson's offensive strategies will complement the Bears' existing talent, including quarterbacks like Jalen McCarthy and Caleb Williams. They express confidence that Johnson's approach will elevate the team's performance, particularly emphasizing his ability to enhance Caleb Williams' career.

Notable Quotes:

• Analyst 1 ([07:23]): "I like the hire... Because your quarterback took 60 plus sacks. That's too many."
• Analyst 3 ([09:26]): "I like it. It's going to be a perfect relationship, not only for Ben Johnson, but for Caleb Williams and his career."

2. Browns’ Draft Prospects and Travis Hunter

Timestamp: [10:08] – [11:27]

The conversation shifts to the Cleveland Browns' upcoming draft strategy, focusing on Travis Hunter being a potential number two overall pick. Analysts debate the likelihood of the Browns selecting Travis Hunter and speculate on the impact he could have if drafted, comparing his potential influence to that of Jim Brown.

Notable Quote:

• Analyst 1 ([11:26]): "Many scouts believe the Browns will take Travis Hunter number two overall... This is going to be a franchise-changing draft for the Browns."

3. Playoffs Performance and Lamar Jackson’s Struggles

Timestamp: [11:30] – [27:14]

A significant portion of the discussion centers on Lamar Jackson and his performance in the playoffs. The analysts critique Jackson's tendency to turn football games around with his dynamic play but express frustration over his multiple turnovers during crucial playoff moments. They compare his playoff struggles to legendary quarterbacks, emphasizing that turnovers have been a recurring issue that hinders his team's success.

Notable Quotes:

• Analyst 1 ([16:19]): "You can't let him get outside the pocket, make him beat you from the pocket."
• Analyst 3 ([16:59]): "He has to understand it and funnel all that energy into his craft. He can be one of the best to ever do it."
• Analyst 1 ([27:14]): "It's very disappointing... When you turn the ball over, you give them possession."

The analysts delve into the historical context of playoff performances, referencing Lamar Jackson's previous games and comparing his playoff impact to other quarterbacks like Joe Flacco. They explore the dichotomy between Jackson's regular-season excellence and his postseason challenges, highlighting the pressure quarterbacks face in high-stakes games.

4. Eagles vs. Rams NFC Championship Game Preview

Timestamp: [46:26] – [52:34]

The discussion transitions to the Eagles' recent victory over the Rams, advancing to the NFC Championship Game against the Commanders. Analysts break down Saquon Barkley's impressive performance, his ability to gain significant yardage on limited carries, and the Eagles' defensive strategy that allowed Barkley to remain dominant.

Notable Quotes:

• Analyst 1 ([46:26]): "Saquon rushed for two whole five... He had a 78 yarder. He had a 62 yarder."
• Analyst 3 ([48:30]): "Put the ball in your bell cow's hands and let him take the game over for you."

They analyze the Rams' defensive shortcomings, particularly their undersized offensive line, which failed to contain Barkley effectively. The analysts also discuss the impact of Jalen Hurts' knee injury and how the Eagles plan to leverage their balanced offense in the upcoming championship game.

5. Analysis of Defensive Standouts: Jalen Carter

Timestamp: [50:23] – [54:53]

Highlighting individual performances, the analysts spotlight Jalen Carter of the Eagles, praising his disruptive abilities on the defensive line. They compare him to legendary defenders like Reggie White and Aaron Donald, emphasizing his explosive first step and football strength.

Notable Quotes:

• Analyst 1 ([51:05]): "He's the most disruptive right now. If he ever got in shape, he's got that kind of ability."
• Analyst 3 ([52:34]): "He has all the tools. He can pressure your quarterback. He's explosive."

The conversation underscores Carter's potential to become a Defensive Player of the Year candidate, highlighting his technical prowess and physical attributes that make him a formidable force on the field.

6. Dallas Cowboys’ Coaching Challenges

Timestamp: [37:35] – [43:11]

The analysts critique the Dallas Cowboys' coaching decisions, particularly focusing on Jerry Jones' management and the hiring of assistant coaches. They express skepticism about the team's ability to reach the NFC Championship Game due to coaching missteps and lack of strategic direction.

Notable Quotes:

• Analyst 1 ([38:14]): "Mike McCarthy got tired of Kellen Moore getting a little shine... He throws the ball more than what Kellen Moore did when Kellen Moore was calling the plays."
• Analyst 3 ([39:28]): "Ben Johnson is not going to be Ben Johnson in Dallas. He needs to go somewhere where he's going to have control."

The discussion reflects frustration with the Cowboys' inability to build a cohesive and successful coaching environment, suggesting that high-profile assistant coaches may not thrive under the current management structure.

7. Anticipation for Upcoming NFC Championship and Playoff Implications

Timestamp: [54:34] – [60:00]

Wrapping up the main content, the analysts express excitement for the upcoming NFC Championship Game, discussing the potential outcomes and key players to watch. They emphasize the importance of clutch performances and strategic play-calling in determining the game's outcome.

Notable Quotes:

• Analyst 1 ([57:23]): "It's going to be a great game. It's going to be a good one."
• Analyst 3 ([59:34]): "You got a chance. It's a football game, but I wasn't gonna put no money on Washington, not against Detroit."

They also touch upon the competitive nature of the playoffs, acknowledging the unpredictability and high stakes that define postseason football.

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Conclusion: In this episode of "Club Shay Shay: Nightcap - Hour 1," the analysts engaged in an in-depth discussion on key NFL topics, including the Chicago Bears' new head coach hire, the Cleveland Browns' draft strategy, Lamar Jackson's playoff performance, the Eagles' dominance in the NFC Championship, standout defensive player Jalen Carter, and the Dallas Cowboys' coaching challenges. The conversation was enriched with passionate opinions, strategic insights, and notable quotes, providing listeners with a comprehensive analysis of the current NFL landscape.

Notable Overall Quote:

• Analyst 1 ([35:08]): "Lamar Jackson has an opportunity that when you talk about the NFL, you cannot mention anything about the NFL or quarterbacks without saying Lamar's name."

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For those who haven’t tuned in, this episode delivers a thorough exploration of recent NFL developments, offering valuable perspectives from seasoned analysts. Whether you're a die-hard fan or a casual observer, the insights shared provide a deeper understanding of the games, players, and strategic moves shaping the league.

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[Analyst 1]

O so now let's get back the Lions offensive coordinator Ben Johnson has agreed to a deal to become the Chicago Bears next head coach. Johnson has been the Lions offensive coordinator for the past three seasons and if I'm not mistaken, I think they finish in the top five in offense each of those seasons. He will fill the job vacated by Matt Eber fl when they fired him on November 29th. Johnson will become the 19th head coach in France the 105 year franchise existence. Oo do you like the hire?

[Analyst 3]

You goddamn right I like the hire. You goddamn right. Now listen, we talk about Ben Johnson. Now this we talk about Ben Johnson that worked wonders with Jared Goff. Worked wonders offensively with that offense. The creativity that is amazed all of us all season long. Now you know Dan Campbell loves to go fourth on fourth down. Why do you think he's so confident in doing some of the things he does as a head coach? Because of Ben Johnson and what he's able to do. So I look at it from this standpoint. You got Jameson Williams, you got Iman Ross, St. Brown, you got LaPorta. Now you go to another supporting cast in Chicago that different skill sets, but they get the job done very well.

[Analyst 1]

Right.

[Analyst 3]

You have a great quarterback, dual threat quarterback, who's a little bit more mobile, a little bit more agile, can play off script a little better than golf. And Kayden Williams, he's a good thrower of the ball as well. This is going to be a perfect relationship, not only for Ben Johnson, but for Caleb Williams and his career, I guarantee you. And I'm going to put it out there right now, and it's going to be I told you so moment when the season starts and we in about maybe week seven or week eight, and I'll be like, I told you so. Kaleb Williams being one of the top quarterbacks in the league statistically because of Ben Johnson and his creativity and his offensive prowess. Watch.

[Analyst 1]

I like to hire. Yeah, I like to hire also. But what I don't like Chicago and New England doing that fake stuff. Bring black coaches in there when they know, damn, where they not going to.

[Analyst 3]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Analyst 1]

They brought Eddie George in there and you know, look, if you like, you got to take it.

[Analyst 3]

Yeah, yeah.

[Analyst 1]

You know damn well they want. Excuse. Excuse me, but you know good. D. Well, you know good. You know good. And D. Well, you wanted Ben Johnson, right? But Ocho, hey, the Rooney rule, I got to get that quote. Same thing in New England. New England, y'all brought two black. Y'all brought Pep Hamilton in. Y'all brought this other black, you know good and well. Yeah, Byron Leftwich, y'all know good. First of all, Byron Leftwich been out of the league for what, two years? And y'all gonna bring him in now, he ain't got no offensive coordinate, but y'all brought him in.

[Analyst 3]

Yeah.

[Analyst 1]

And see y'all, what y'all did. The Patriots did that thing so good, they brought two of them in. Ooh, ooh, ooh. They gonna have. Ooh. They brought two. Ocho brought two of them. Yeah.

[Analyst 3]

I mean, listen, they. They have to check the boxes. I'm. They, they. They gotta.

[Analyst 1]

They.

[Analyst 3]

They gotta check the boxes like you said. They gotta. You gotta meet the quota. You have to satisfy the rule that's in place. That's really not working.

[Analyst 1]

Ain't got no tea to it. Look, and. But look, I like to hire. I like Ben Johnson. I like what he did. You mentioned it he had a quarterback that's more mobile. He has very good look. You got Roman Dunes that he took in the first round for the Bears. You got D.J. moore that you signed to a contract extension. You got Keenan Allen. I think Keenan Allen is a free agent. So you probably bring him back because he came on strong at the end of the year. He's that guy that he's not as fast, it's not as quick as a Amon Rod in the slot, but he gets it done. He got tremendous moves. He got great hands. I like him. He's a big body. He can body, you know, he can body you up. So I like that. I like that. I don't really know their running back situation. You're gonna have to improve the offensive line because that's one thing. Deandre Swift.

[Analyst 3]

Yeah.

[Analyst 1]

Offensive line. And you're gonna probably get better because you look at what they got and in Detroit, right. You know, you got Penny Sewell, who's a Pro Bowler, All Pro. You got Zeitler. You got Deck, you got Glass. Now you got Decker, you got Ragnar, you got. You know, Detroit has a very good offensive line. And so you're going to have to get that up to par in Chicago because your quarterback took 60 plus sacks. That's too many. Oo yeah, that's way too many sacks. Now all of it is not on the offensive line. Caleb Williams gonna have to do a better job of getting rid of the football. It's okay to throw it away because sometimes I think guys, they get caught up. Oo well, I'm gonna mess up my completion percentage, bro. Throw that damn ball away. You don't want to be taking all those hits.

[Analyst 3]

Right, Right.

[Analyst 1]

But I like the hire. I'm sure they got, they got money in, in, in, in cap space that they can improve this team. I love the hire by Ben Johnson. I got no qualms about that hire. He's put his time in as an offensive, as an offensive coordinator, as an offensive coach. I think it was the right time for him to get this job. So I really like to hire. I'm a little surprised that he went in the same division as a former boss. Normally they get away Ocho, but hey, that was the best situation. I always thought that the Bears, for me, that was the best situation that was available to me. Now, I mean, other people and people like the Raiders, you know, ain't nothing.

[Analyst 3]

To work with over there. Huh? Nothing to work with over there.

[Analyst 1]

Ain't got no quarterback.

[Analyst 3]

Yeah.

[Analyst 1]

So.

[Analyst 3]

So you, you understood that that Was that was the best fit, especially for him and what he bring to the table.

[Analyst 1]

Yeah, I thought that was the best. I thought that the jets. You got the jets situation. You got a lot of stuff going on with the Jets. What other. What other. What other. What other job is available, Ocho? The jets was available.

[Analyst 3]

Saints.

[Analyst 1]

The Saints. Hopefully AG get the Saints or the Jets. I know, I think, you know, he obviously AG played with the Jets. Hell, he played with the Saints also. He was on the defensive side. He was on Sean Payton staff when he was at the Saints. So. But hopefully he gets one of these jobs. But it's going to be tough without a quarterback. You got to find a quarterback, Ocho. Without that, you don't really have a chance to have longevity.

[Analyst 3]

Your leash is going to be short. Leash is very short if you ain't got no quarterback.

[Analyst 1]

Well, I leash it short anyway. But anyway, that's not what we talk about that another day. But I like to hire. I like Bren Johnson higher. Chicago should be good. That's a very tough division. Ocho. You got young. We'll see what Minnesota does with Sam Darnold. Do they move on or do they keep elevate J.J. mcCarthy. Um, going to be very interesting because you got Jordan Love, you got golf, you got Caleb Williams. So I like it. I like it. Many scouts believe the Browns will take Travis Hunter number two overall and focus on a quarterback later in the draft. A multitude of. A multitude of NFL scouts are reportedly of the belief that there's no way Shador Sanders would play for the Browns even if the Browns were interested in picking him. There's reportedly thought among scouting circles that if Hunter were to go to Cleveland, he would have a Jim Brown type impact on the franchise. Browns hold 33rd and 67th overall pick which would possibly give them a potential to select Jackson, Dark Quinn Ewers, Jaylen Monroe or Cal McCord. This is going to be a franchise changing draft for the Browns.

[Analyst 3]

I like it.

[Analyst 1]

What you think, Ojo?

[Analyst 3]

You know, their identity anyway is defense is their defense. Honestly, until you get a quarterback at the helm that can change the franchise right around like Jaden Daniels has done, like a C.J. stroud has done. But can you imagine Denzel Ward and goddamn Travis Hunter?

[Analyst 1]

I don't. I don't care if you got Demzel Award. I don't care if you got prime time. I don't care if you got Mel Blunt. I don't care if you got re. You cannot score. You cannot win at this. You.

[Analyst 3]

You got to build a Foundation. Somewhere. You got to start somewhere. And it's been how long since they've had a quarterback?

[Analyst 1]

Otto Graham? Nah.

[Analyst 3]

Oh, yeah.

[Analyst 1]

I mean, they have a good year with Bernie. You know, burn. You know, they had the car, the cardiac. The cardiac Browns with the guy named Brian Site, if I'm not mistaken. I think in the 80. 1980, site was an MVP. But. And, you know, they. They have. They had some situations. I think it was Birdie that they went to the AFC championship games, that they ended up losing to the Broncos. They lost twice to Broncos in the AFC championship game. But it's been a while. That's been. Ocho, that's been 30 plus years ago. Hell, that was before I got there. They lost. As a matter of fact, they lost to the Browns the year before I got there. So that was 89. I got to the Broncos in 90. So 37 years ago.

[Analyst 3]

Putting asses in. Excuse me, talking about putting butts in seats.

[Analyst 1]

They had Baker. I mean, the Baker. Look, they had Baker and Baker had a couple of good years, but they didn't have the talent around him. He got hurt. And like I said, Baker needed to move on. They didn't like. And you have to accept Baker for who he is. He's cocky. He believes in his ability. I got no problem with that. You know, they. They. You know, they like, well, we want an adult in the. In the building, right? But he's where Baker is, where he should be, in Tampa playing unbelievable football for a team that believes in him, players that believe in him. Oh, Joe. The Bills get their revenge. The Bills Defeated the Ravens 27, 25 and a dramatic finish in Buffalo, advancing to the AFC Championship Game for the first time since 2021. Heartbreak. Heartbreaking loss for the Ravens. The Bills will head to Kansas City for a rematch. Remember, Kansas City went to Buffalo. I think they lost by two. Well, they lost by double digits. Now the regular season doesn't matter if Buffalo proved they lost really big, really bad. To who? Who was that? The Ravens. Earlier this year, Derrick Henry ran wild, but Buffalo gets their revenge. And now they turn around and head back to Kansas City. Buffalo is the only team to beat Kansas City starters during the regular season and the entire regular season in 2024. Remember Ocho, they sought their starters the last game, but at the end of the day, this game came down to turnovers and missed opportunities. The Ravens are going to kick themselves. They turned the ball over. Lamar had two bad turnovers early in the ball game. And then this is a game that Mark Andrews is Going to want to forget. He had a couple of drops, Ocho. He had a costly fumble and then the two point, the two point conversion. You know, in a situation like that, Ocho, when the weather's bad like that, if you bobble, it's over, you're not going to catch it again because the ball's too slick and you got no footing. And so once he bobbled it, you know, it was like, well, this is it. This is the opportunity. But when you, you look at this game and it's another disappointing season and we can't place all of this at the feet of Lamar. I didn't think he played well early. Um, I thought they got away from the running game too soon, Ocho, because if you look at coming. You look at, look at when they came out of the locker room in the third quarter, they got the ball. What they do. Or Joe boom went right down, went.

[Analyst 3]

Right down the field. Running the ball right down the field.

[Analyst 1]

Go ahead.

[Analyst 3]

Right there.

[Analyst 1]

Running the field.

[Analyst 3]

They, they. They got the. Can you please explain to me understanding how you won all season long even with the turnovers that you did have? You had an opportunity. You had opportunity. There are moments in a football game, There are moments in the playoff game. There are one, one, two, maybe three plays, if that, that matter out of all the plays that you run in the game. And those, those, those moments, those plays that actually mattered, they didn't capitalize on those opportunities. Despite the turnovers that you had. Yeah, despite the turnovers. Like, listen, I, I'm not one to blame the game on one person. I would never do that. The turnovers hurt from Lamar. One of them, One of them didn't count because it was still tight. It was still tied up. And even though they go down and score on that turnover, you still had opportunity to tie the game back up.

[Analyst 1]

Right.

[Analyst 3]

The second one, the fumble. Now that's, that's costly.

[Analyst 1]

Yeah.

[Analyst 3]

Yeah, that's costly. Andrews.

[Analyst 1]

You have to live with that though, Ocho, because we've seen him bobble the snap. We saw him against your. Your Bingles. He bobbled a snap and throw a touchdown to likely. So you're going to have to live with him because I know a lot of people say Lamar just fall on it, live to see another day. But what makes him Lamar Jackson is his ability to turn a disaster into something dynamic.

[Analyst 3]

Yeah, tonight, Tonight just wasn't it. I feel, I feel bad for Mark Andrews because it was right there. It was right there. All he had to do was be able to just to secure that catch, if anything. Watch it. That's his. That was his. Was that his second or third drop?

[Analyst 1]

That's his second. He had two drops and a fumble. Remember, they punched it out. He had a big game and the dude punched it out. And they go down, if I'm not mistaken, I think they went down and got a field goal. So that's what pushed it to an eight point game.

[Analyst 3]

You got to make that catch on, by all means. You got to look that in. You got to stare at the laces on that ball and look at all the way. And if you got to go back to the basics, the basic fundamentals of catching the ball, you can't drop a ball in that scenario like that. You can't because it allows. It gives your team another chance, a second chance.

[Analyst 1]

Now you put it back on your defense. Now you put it back on your defense to stop them. Don't let them get in field goal range. Now Josh, now maybe they're going to play a little free. So now Josh is going to probably do a little bit more running around because he has some freedom. So now he can rely on his legs. And I thought that's the thing that really helped Lamar. Them like Buffalo didn't want to give up the big play. But the one thing you got to do is you got to keep him in the pocket. You can't let him get outside the pocket. You let him get outside the pocket. So he started off, he's running. Now he gets outside of the pocket, he hits likely. He gets outside the pocket, he hits Sims, he gets outside the pocket, he hit Andrews. You can't let him get outside the pocket, make him beat you from the pocket. And I know it's a lot easier said than done, but you want to keep him in that box. And if he works his magic in the box on choke, you just have to live with that, take everything away. But I'm going to take away what I know you want to do, which is get outside the pocket and buy yourself time.

[Analyst 3]

Yeah, I mean, the first half, the Bills played really good.

[Analyst 1]

They did.

[Analyst 3]

It looks like they, they, they bullied the R, they bullied the Ravens on both sides of the ball. Even though, even though when you look at it now, I, I, I know I'm not blind. I know I'm not blind, and I know what I'm seeing. The Ravens defensively are first in almost every statistical category. But what I saw from the Bills in the first half, it didn't seem that way. Now, I don't know, I don't know if the conditions played a part in that. And then being successful running the ball and moving it down with through the past, I don't know if the conditions played any kind of part in that. But like, it. It sucks. It sucks.

[Analyst 1]

It does.

[Analyst 3]

Let me tell you how I know it sucks. Because I feel bad for Lamar for one. And it's how, you know, I feel bad because I'm not even making fun of you. I'm not even making fun of you about your team losing and going home. Hey, I'm not even making fun of you because honestly, as a Bengal, as much as I love my Bengals, I really thought and wanted, and I can say this, I really wanted Lamar to win this one because I know he's going to win the mvp and I wanted him to have success in the playoffs and go far, you know, into the playoff so he can get that monkey off his back when it's tip.

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[Analyst 3]

So get that back. And it just didn't happen. Obviously the turnovers played a part in it. Even though there were moments in the game where things could have shifted in their favor and giving that team another chance, an opportunity to win, it just didn't go their way. And that sucks.

[Analyst 1]

And that's what it is, Ocho, is that we look at Lamar and we've so we, we, we've seen Lamar this season have games where he's damn near perfect. Well, he has a perfect quarterback. Passer rating 158.3. You can't get any higher than that. And we've seen him have those games. For whatever reason we have, those games have come few and far between. When it matters the most. Yeah, this is when it matters the most. Because there's finality to this. There is no tomorrow. There is no tomorrow. This great season. We got an all pro quarterback that's probably going to win his third MVP in a five year span. We got an all pro running back that works, rushed for damn near 2000 yards. Now Zay Flowers not being in there, that hurt. But they still got two of the best Tight end. They still got. I believe they got two top 10 tight ends. Nobody else can say that in the NFL. They got, you know, Marlon. Marlon Humphrey was the first team all Pro at the slot. Hamilton made the Pro Bowl. I think they had a defensive line. Mattabeequake made the Pro Bowl. They had another made the Pro Bowl. This is very disappointing. You look at the way they turned their season around, especially defensively. Ocho, they were really good. Offensive, they lost some games that you're like, y'all go and y'all beat this team, but y'all lose to the Raiders. How the hell y'all lose to the Raiders? I think they lost, ended up losing, maybe ended some other team that wasn't very good. And you ask yourself how the Ravens losing to these teams with Lamar and Derrick Henry and all these weapons that they have is that if you go back and study Lamar and y'all can dress it up however you want to. Ocho, in the playoffs, he's had look at how many games that he's actually played in the playoffs, and then look at how many multiple turnover games he's had in the playoffs. Now go back, juxtapose, rewind it, press play. Look at the regular season, all of it starts. And look at how many multiple turnover games. Not nearly so damn near every game that he damn near every game, but two thirds of the games that he's played in the playoffs, he's turning the ball over. When you turn the ball over, not only do you don't give yourself to still get play after play after play, you give them possession. So now they take you off the field because they're really not like a turnover defense. O joke. They can occasionally, but they don't really, like, take the ball away like the old Ravens and put points on the board with it. But now all of a sudden, instead of, you know, 7, 8, 9, 10 plays where you can have something to hang your hat on, you only get three plays because you've turned the ball over, right? And that's what. That's what is hurting Lamar. And I know he's like. He's like, man, here we go again. It have to. Don't let anybody tell you. I know you're gonna say not at. Yes, it does. Because you know what happened last year, you had two turnovers and you had two turnovers in the first half this year. So you're playing. All of a sudden it's going through your mind, and everybody's thinking the same thing in Baltimore. Here we go again, Lamar. Cause Think about it, Ocho. The man only had four, four interceptions the entire year season. So he played 18 games. 18 plus 18 plus 1. He didn't turn the ball over against Pittsburgh. So he played 18 games with four interceptions. And then you come out here and have another interception and then I think you have, I mean, had another fumble. He just has to let. And I don't. And I want him to get over this so bad because it's a very disappointing season. Because like I said, Ocho, you and I both believe he's about to be a three time league mvp. He is.

[Analyst 3]

He is. He's going to win it. He's going to win it because what he did during the regular season, you can't take it away from him. You can't. Because it was a special season.

[Analyst 1]

It just.

[Analyst 3]

He has to understand. And listen, I know Lamar already knows when you go into the postseason. And if you look at when you made it before and you've lost, you've lost. The one thing from that is the turnovers. You make it that much difficult. You put your team behind eight ball. When you turn the ball over. And you say it all the time, Monk, you pay double for them.

[Analyst 1]

You pay double.

[Analyst 3]

You pay double for them. Even though you had a chance to come back. Now everything else has to go well or damn near perfect to get yourself back in the game.

[Analyst 1]

It is. And if you look at, look at Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco is not a third of the quarterback but came playoff time.

[Analyst 3]

Oh yeah.

[Analyst 1]

Joe Flacco supposedly had to been the two Super Bowls. He hit Lee Evans in the hand and had the Patriots beat and he.

[Analyst 3]

Dropped it, knocked it.

[Analyst 1]

And then we know he went on the road. He went on the road and beat Peyton in his house. He went on the road and beat Tom in his house. And he went and he won a Super bowl. And he had Tom beat again in his house.

[Analyst 3]

Yeah.

[Analyst 1]

Joe Flacco played a bunch. You would think Joe, you like. Hold on, wait a minute. How the hell you doing this in the playoff? And you don't look nothing like this in the regular season. Let's call him Joe Flacco. That's Joe Montana.

[Analyst 3]

Yeah. Protecting him.

[Analyst 1]

It's just a. With Lamar. I don't know what it is, Ocho. I don't know if he's putting too much pressure. I don't know if it's a mental hurdle. But for the turnovers, you go back and look at his first playoff game against the Titans in the divisional round. He turned the ball over he played, remember? And the next year he goes on the road to play buffalo. He throws 100 plus yard interception. He comes back. Last year he had two interceptions. Zay Flowers had again Zay Flowers interception was very. Turnover was costly because they was like at the one yard line. You like to think oo, well he fumbled in the end zone. So you like to think oo, yeah, they're going to get points out of that, maybe a touchdown. And then Mark Andrews, they're driving again, he punches it out. The drop pass on the two point conversion. It's just tough because they're going to put this at. Yeah, yeah, he dropped the ball Mark. And you didn't play a good game. But they're going to place this at defeated Lamar because he's the best player. He's going to be the guy that's going to win the mvp. Not Mark Andrews, not anybody else.

[Analyst 3]

But listen, he won the mvp, right? Not only what he was able to do with his legs, but also his supporting cast.

[Analyst 1]

Yes.

[Analyst 3]

You know, and you need to support Cass to show up for you all the time. As much as you'd like to. Now listen, the onus is on you as a quarterback. You know, when you win, you get the praise. When you lose, they gonna get the blame. They gonna let you have it. But your sporting cast has to come in for you. Especially in times like this. In times they have to, huh? They have to.

[Analyst 1]

If it Ocho, if it was a situation where you know, they're going back and forth and all of a sudden somebody fumbled the ball and Lamar had one of those, had one of those days where he's like five touchdowns and he doesn't turn the ball over but somebody else gets stripped or somebody, you know, ball carries off their hand, right? Like hey, I don't know what. That's Lamar, y'all want Lamar to do. The man had five touchdown passes. He didn't have a turnover. That was the receiver got it pulled out. That was the running back that fumbled the ball. But these situation, Ocho, they had three turnovers tonight that matched their total from the last seven games.

[Analyst 3]

That's. That's crazy. That's crazy. And conditions. We can't make no excuses.

[Analyst 1]

Yeah, hell, the weather's bad in Baltimore. That makes you feel like, oh, the weather, bro. Do you. Baltimore, what's the weather like in Baltimore? Cleveland, what's the weather like in Cleveland? Cincinnati, what's the weather like in Cincinnati? Pittsburgh, what's the weather like? Baltimore plays bad weather games. News flash. And they don't Play in a dome.

[Analyst 3]

Right.

[Analyst 1]

If you didn't know better, we're going to talk about this game a little later. If I didn't tell you, if you didn't know the Rams was in la, you would like. Hold on. How's Matthew Stafford throwing the ball like this? How are they doing? What they doing? They're not supposed to be able to do like this. It's sunny in California. They play in a dome. Arizona is in a dome.

[Analyst 3]

Right. This, it sucks.

[Analyst 1]

Lamar Jackson, Ocho has played eight playoff games. Eight. He's had multiple turnovers in half of them. Damn.

[Analyst 3]

From a playoff standpoint and the chances at Lombardi, right. What is the window of opportunity for the Ravens while they have, while they have the team that they have right now? What do you think the window of opportunity for them is to actually get to a chip?

[Analyst 1]

As long as they got Lamar, they still got a chance no matter what.

[Analyst 3]

You know the funny thing, even with other teams getting better, even, even with other teams getting better in the afc, in the nfc, they will still not be another Lamar Jackson. It won't. So it always gives you that hope. It always gives you that chance. In the back of your mind, even as a raising, even as a raising a Ravens fan, you know, for those that are you in the chat that are watching, you have to. You're always going to be in contention because not only are other teams getting better, you know, your owner, your GMs, your coaches have one job as well. Continue to put pieces around Lamar to make sure that you have a chance too, to get back to this point, to get back to an AFC championship at one point, to be able to play in a Super bowl, you know, and improve your team.

[Analyst 1]

Can I ask you a question?

[Analyst 3]

Talk to me.

[Analyst 1]

How many times do you take the pretty girl out and you don't get nothing before you stop?

[Analyst 3]

Three.

[Analyst 1]

Okay, Three. Because that's what I mean. That's the pretty girl.

[Analyst 3]

Yeah.

[Analyst 1]

Lamar Jackson. Is that, I mean, three time league mvp an all probably. I mean think about it. Lamar Jackson is the first quarterback to be a three time first team three time all pro quarterback in his first seven. He's the first. Think about all the quarterbacks. Peyton, Tom, Aaron Rodgers, John Elway, Dan Marino. Name a quarterback. None has done what Lamar Jackson has done. He's a three time first team all pro quarterback in his first seven years.

[Analyst 3]

That's. That's crazy when you think about it. That's just how dynamic and special.

[Analyst 1]

Young boys, Montana, young Brett Favre. Name a quarterback all your great quarterbacks the one. That's what Tom Brady. Tom Brady's only been a three time first team quarterback three times in 23 seasons. 22 seasons. However long he's played, he's a three time. Lamar Jackson has done that three times in his first seven years. About to be a three time. A three time. He's about to have more MVPs in his first seven years than any quarterback. But at the end of the day, Ocho, you know, it counts more in the playoffs. Well, that's what they judge regular season.

[Analyst 3]

So they judge the quarterbacks off anyway.

[Analyst 1]

That's it. No other player, really, no other player gets judged off the playoffs like the quarterback does. Because that's why. That's how he makes. That's how he makes his money.

[Analyst 3]

Yeah.

[Analyst 1]

That's how. That's how he makes his name. If you want to be, look, you could be great, but if you want to be iconic, yeah, the playoffs are where it's at. Kobe, Bird, magic, Jordan Braun, iconic. Shaq Montana, Rice, Mahomes, Brady, iconic.

[Analyst 3]

It puts you into another stratosphere. It puts you into another conversation. The conversation separates you from everybody else. Oh, there have been a lot of NFL players in the NFL. There have been a lot of NFL quarterbacks in the NFL, but you become iconic and almost, I think it's Ocho.

[Analyst 1]

Players, coaches, general managers, front office, over 25,000.

[Analyst 3]

Damn.

[Analyst 1]

25,000. 25,000.

[Analyst 3]

Yeah.

[Analyst 1]

Now you talk about the hall of Fame, that I think it's less than 400. But when you talk about historic and iconic players, Lamar Jackson has an opportunity that when you talk about the NFL, you cannot mention anything about the NFL or quarterbacks without saying L. Jack's name.

[Analyst 3]

Yeah.

[Analyst 1]

That's what he has an opportunity to do.

[Analyst 3]

You know what's funny? And even now, even at this point, with no super bowl, with no super bowl, you can't talk about the story of the quarterbacks throughout the entirety of the NFL without mentioning his name. Now, so imagine what happens when he gets over the hump because you can't tell the story. You can't tell the story of quarterbacks based on what he's done once he wins his MVP without mentioning his name.

[Analyst 1]

But what now you win a Super bowl when the Brady's and the Montanas and the Mahomes having a discussion. Yeah, let me roll my a. What y'all guys talking about? I'm at the table, Ocho.

[Analyst 3]

Well, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Analyst 1]

I'm at the table.

[Analyst 3]

Yeah. Damn, man.

[Analyst 1]

Yes, he's special. All it takes is one and I. And my. And I've said this. I believe if he can get one, and I hate using the caveat if. But if he can just get one. I believe the floodgates are open. Yeah, I believe the floodgates. I believe the floodgates for Lamar Jackson will open. And, boy, it's hard. I mean, you think about it. Marino was 23, went to the super bowl, won the MVP and never been back. It took. I mean, John went. John went. I think John came in with 21, 83, 84, 85, 86. He went to the Super bowl in 86, went in 87, went back at 89. Ain't winning. John won the Super bowl in year 15 and year 16. That's Kelly number one. Moon number one. I mean, think about it. They were killing Steve Young. Steve young was winning MVPs just like Lamar.

[Analyst 3]

Yeah.

[Analyst 1]

It wasn't until he won that super bowl, he got that bear off his back.

[Analyst 3]

Once you get that monkey off you. Hey, look, you read. You ever ran the 400?

[Analyst 1]

Of course.

[Analyst 3]

You know what it's like when you come. When you coming off that, that, that, that, that curve on that 300 monkey, that monkey jump on your back, coming down that straightaway.

[Analyst 1]

Yep. All right. And that's. And that's what it takes. All Lamar. That's what. That's. Steve Young. He had to get that. He had to get that one right. Get that one. That's it. Every team has played in an NFC Championship game since the Cowboys last went to the NFC Championship game. You got a.

[Analyst 3]

Hey, yeah.

[Analyst 1]

You got Dan Quinn with a rookie quarterback in the NFC Championship Game. Kellen Moore is calling plays in the NFC Championship Game his first year there.

[Analyst 3]

Who do you think the problem is in Dallas? I'm just curious. Chad. Chad, can you. Who do you think the problem is in Dallas? Because everyone that leaves Dallas and goes somewhere else, they seem to have found success or finding success.

[Analyst 1]

The coaches thrive.

[Analyst 3]

So who is the problem? I'm just asking. I'm curious what the chat would say.

[Analyst 1]

Oh, yeah. You know, Mike McCarthy got tired of Kellen Moore getting a little shine. Oh. You know, he wanted to run the ball, too. He wanted to pass the ball too much, and lo and behold, he get. He get Kellen Moore out there and he run. He throws the ball more than what Keller Moore did when Kelly Moore was calling the plays.

[Analyst 3]

Yeah, I know who I would like to see be. Be the Dallas coach. I know we. We've heard the rumblings about prime going there, and I'm. I'm not sure. If that would work, that situation. Because prime would be the one to take all the spotlight away from Jerry all the. Tremendously. I think Dak and Chad might. Might not agree with me, but I think Dak and CD Lamb and the rest of the supporting cast offensively would do very well with Ben Johnson and his creativity, you know, with that. With that offense. And being the fact that with Ben Johnson they would score, be somewhere statistically in the top five when it comes to scoring. I don't know why. I just like it. I just think someone like Ben Johnson being in Dallas, not only being the head coach, but also controlling and doing the play calling as well.

[Analyst 1]

You can't, Ocho, because he, like Al, man, had to get Al the sheet. Al needed to know what you was running. We're not gonna get into that, ocho. In fact, seven Dallas assistant coaches from 22 or 23 will be participating.

[Analyst 3]

Wait, how many?

[Analyst 1]

In the NFC championship game? Seven. The last championship game appearance for the Dallas Cowboys was 1995. The Bears. Every team has been in the NFC championship game except the Cowboys. In the 2000s, even the Bears. The Giants won the Super Bowl. The Seahawks, Carolina, Arizona Falcons, Minnesota Saints, packers, Tampa, Rams, 49ers, Detroit, the commanders and the Eagles.

[Analyst 3]

Do you think Jerry knows this or he doesn't Pay it no mind.

[Analyst 1]

Ocho, if. If you could. If you could do whatever you wanted to do and make 300 million, or you could do it the right way, make 300 million, but you're not gonna get no credit. Jerry wants credit.

[Analyst 3]

That ain't work.

[Analyst 1]

That's what Jerry wants.

[Analyst 3]

That ain't working.

[Analyst 1]

Jerry wants to be the face.

[Analyst 3]

How could you not? It's not working.

[Analyst 1]

He doesn't. Didn't that man tell you he bought this tea. He bought this occupation.

[Analyst 3]

Yeah, but no, he told you that.

[Analyst 1]

Ocho, when you. When you buy, what more you want to make?

[Analyst 3]

The point of buying occupation is for one, so you can succeed and win at it. Not just buy it. To tear it down or not just buy it and be losing.

[Analyst 1]

I want to do it. I want to work on my. I want to work on my own car. And it won't ever crank. Instead of me taking it to. Instead of me taking it to a auto technician. Instead of me taking it to. Because, you know, we got to be politically correct. We can't say mechanic anymore. We gotta say auto technician. Not. Not any. Cause, you know, people that, oh, let's give them a problem shade tree ass mechanic. But in that situation, man, I mean, look at this. With a rookie quarterback. Dan Quinn stayed longer than what he probably should because he thought he was going to get the Dallas job. He was going to be willing to forego give up of himself. We saw Dan Quinn get to the Atlanta Falcons, to the super bowl, have a 283 lead so he can coach. He can coach. But nobody. Ben Johnson is not going to be Ben Johnson in Dallas. He needs to go somewhere where he's going to have control. It looks like all indication is pointing to the Raiders. I wouldn't be surprised within the next two to three days he's going to the Raiders.

[Analyst 3]

We don't got no quarterback. I'm talking about we.

[Analyst 1]

He doesn't want to he listen a lot of times guys don't want to be in a situation with Detroit, a guy that gave him his start. I don't really want to be in that situation, dan Quinn said. I don't care, Dan Quinn said. I'm tired of this. You told me you were gonna make something happen for your boy and you ain't doing. So guess what? I'm gonna go ahead and beat your ass. I'm just saying.

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[Analyst 1]

The Eagles defeated the Rams 28 22. Philadelphia advances to the NFC championship game for the second time in three years. They will host the Commanders next Sunday in an All NFC east clash. Saquon rushed for two whole five. Remember? He had 255 the first game. This the second time this season he's exceeded 200 yards rush. Against the Rams, the majority of the yardage came on two carries. He had a 78 yarder. He had a 62 yarder. Jalen Hurts suffered his knee injury in the second half, but was able to finish the game. Ocho, you and I talked last night. I'm not gonna let Saquon beat me. Yeah, if Jalen Hurst throws for an efficient 250 yards, three touchdowns, I walk to the middle of field. Hey, good luck next week, whoever y'all play against. The Commander's man, you're a hell of a player. That's what I do. I'm not gonna let Saquon beat me. And I'll be damned if they didn't let Saquon beat him.

[Analyst 3]

You have to remember, right, we got late, we got Lane Johnson, you got across the board. They average as far as weight, weight goes. But the Rams offensive defensive line is undersized. Huh? They're on the side. They tried. They had some moments where they were able to contain Saquon. But at some point, you keep chopping that wood, at some point it's going to break, at some point it's going to crack. And that's exactly what happened due to them being so undersized up front. Even. Even if you stack a nine in the box, you know, once they come off the ball, they bullying them boys up front.

[Analyst 1]

They definitely did that.

[Analyst 3]

They bullying them boys up front. So. And it takes so much pressure off Jalen. It takes so much pressure off Jalen hurts too. It takes so much pressure off him because he don't have to do much. Cause Saquon is carrying the load. Same situation over there in Baltimore. Put the ball in your bell cow's hands and let him take the game over for you.

[Analyst 1]

But. But Philly never got away from that.

[Analyst 3]

Yeah, they didn't. They didn't.

[Analyst 1]

That's the problem. Ocho. Baltimore got away from it for a quarter. Why? And you look at some plays they had. Saquon got stopped, but you let him get that hole and he stepped to the side. Peace. The bout.

[Analyst 3]

You know what's so funny is he take them small steps when he running and faster than every damn body and never get close to playing.

[Analyst 1]

The thing is he's quick. The thing is he has great balance. If you look to cross over his step like they give him the ball and he steps outside and when he sees a crease, he gone.

[Analyst 3]

He. He hit it. He hit it. He hit another gift.

[Analyst 1]

He step on it, man. The first one that he. He stepped on it gone. The last the 78 yard of Ocho, he's like outta there. And that was just a Ocho, that wasn't a toss. That was just a handoff.

[Analyst 3]

Handoff. Yeah.

[Analyst 1]

And then he crosses over. Boom. And he exploded a pair of fumbles on back to back drive. Set the Rams back significantly. The rap. Matthew Stafford had LA in the red zone. I thought LA was going to do it because Puka Nakua made a heck of a catch over Slay or Darius Slay with a chance and then on fourth down. But Ocho, I'm looking at, there was Some miscommunication with the center and the right guard. Because on back to back plays, you turn Jalen Carter. I don't know why. I'm not sl. I'm not going away from him.

[Analyst 3]

Yeah, well, I'm not going away from the center. Look, right. And the guard slid to the right, and then he went to the left and then tried to come back. And by the time he came back, he was sacking Stafford. I'm like, young boy.

[Analyst 1]

I'm like, bro, why would you do. Listen. Hey, y'all handle that over there. I gotta worry about this one. Yeah, this is the one. I gotta work. He's the one. And they did. He did it again on fourth down. I'm trying to figure out, like, bro, I'm not. Listen, on a defense, ho. Cho, if you got Reggie White, if you got Bruce, you got lt. I respect everybody on the offensive line, defensive line, because you're in the league, but I'm not. Hey, it's like. It's like ad. Why would you. Why would you slide. Why would you double someone else other than Aaron Donald? Why would you double someone else other than J.J. watt? Why? That's Jalen Carter.

[Analyst 3]

Yeah. And you.

[Analyst 1]

He's the most disruptive right now. And I said this. If he ever got in shape because I saw him in college. Yeah, not his last year. Last year he was bull jiving. But when he hungry and motivated, and I think he's motivated now because he got some. He's all pro. He's a Pro bowl player. Ocho, if in the next three years, he's not a defensive player of the year, I ain't talking about a candidate. I'm saying defensive player of the year. Where they tell it, call his name. Defensive player of the year is Jalen Carter. He should be disappointed.

[Analyst 3]

Yeah.

[Analyst 1]

That's the kind of ability this young man has. He's explosive. He can play to run. He's disruptive. He can pressure your quarterback. He punched the ball out because he did a great day. One hand on the. And punched the ball out of Kyron Williams hand. Well, yeah, yeah, man. He has. He has all the tools. He. Now, he should be thinking, man, hell, I'm thinking. I'm thinking hall of Fame. I'm thinking, hey, they need to start getting me ready for the size 52, a 54 jacket. He has that kind of ability.

[Analyst 3]

Does he. Does he know it, though? Now, if he. If he can channel all that and understand how great he is or how good he is, now it's all about him understanding what you can see watch it from home. We can see the greatness in him.

[Analyst 1]

Oh, he's special.

[Analyst 3]

He got to understand it and funnel all that energy into his craft. He can be one of the best to ever do it.

[Analyst 1]

He showed up so he's so quick off the ball, Ocho, for a man his size. Man his size ain't supposed to be that kind of explosive.

[Analyst 3]

His first step is not supposed to be that fast.

[Analyst 1]

And he's powerful. I don't know if he's weight room strong, Ocho. I don't know if he can bench 500 pounds and squat all that. But I'm talking about football strength. To take a man. I said that's the way you could tell somebody. Can you move a man against his will?

[Analyst 3]

Against his will.

[Analyst 1]

Yeah.

[Analyst 3]

I knew you were going to say that.

[Analyst 1]

Can you move him against his will when he said, man, I ain't going nowhere. The hell you say. You can't get up this plot of land.

[Analyst 3]

When I think about it, I got three defensive tackles, right? Three defensive tackles that were not only weight room strong, but on the field, it showed up as well. And then their first step, quick as hell. Now watching Jalen Carter, he's one that's been able to do it. Aaron Donald, weight room strong. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Also a technical savage with a quick step. I got two more for you, though.

[Analyst 1]

Who do you got?

[Analyst 3]

Remember big Sam Adams?

[Analyst 1]

Oh, yeah. I played with Hammer man.

[Analyst 3]

Big Sam had one of the quickest first steps, man, to be that size. But also weight room strong. And the one Nate Decay, the only man I've ever seen put 45s on the bench bar to where it's no room left. And you can't put them on there. With the quickest first step as well. That got them, this wolf man.

[Analyst 1]

What?

[Analyst 3]

And then he up under the bench talking, holding the conversation. And with all the plates, the bar bending.

[Analyst 1]

Wow.

[Analyst 3]

Why ain't even straight no more. He got all the 45s on the. I don't even know how much it was. Have a people in the chat if you know, if you lift weights, you could tell me. Please tell me how much. We have all the 45s on the bench bar where you can't. You. You can't put them on there. He holding the conversation with me. We in the weight room. He talking to me. And slow. I'm not talking about bringing it down and coming back up right away. I'm talking about slow. What the hell you beat what?

[Analyst 1]

But I love, hey watching him, you know, obviously watching Jalen Carter, like I said, I was disappointed in him because I thought he bull job his last year. He know he's gonna be a top pick. The Eagles got a bargain. The Eagles should have never been able to get him at 10, but he had some. He had some issues. He had some red flags, got a couple, you know, some trouble with the law and speeding and the situation got himself into some trouble. But east both had been the number one overall pick. That's how good he is. That's how good he is. That's the accountability that he has. And I think now he's starting to learn it. Hopefully Fletcher Cox, who was there and retired, hopefully he got an opportunity to talk to him and say, son, you can be. Look, you got Reggie White's potential. Everybody know what Reggie, the Minister of defense. Everybody know where Reggie was. Reggie brought it every game, every play, whether he was in Philly, he was in Green Bay. He retired, came back for his last year, played one year in. In Carolina. People don't realize that Reggie played a year in Carolina because he's, you know, he had. At that point in time, I think he had retired. Him and his wife Sarah had got a place on Lake Norman. Man, Jalen Carter. This Eagles team is going to be a. Everybody thought they was going to be going to Detroit. It's like, no, we got the afc, we got the NFC Championship game on our field and we got a team. It's going to be a great game. It's going to be a great game because both games were close. Both games were close. Don't you. They won by eight on their field. And then Washington ended up winning in that last and sudden death wasn't overtime. But they end up winning on the last second when he threw that touchdown pass like four or five seconds. And the thing with Washington is, because of their quarterback Ocho, they believe they got a chance. Cause look how many games that they won on the last possession, the last throw of the game. So we don't believe we're out of any game long as we got that guy. Yeah, it's going to be a good one.

[Analyst 3]

I wonder. I wonder what the weather. I wonder what the weather's going to be like. But, you know, in D.C. bad D.C. just cold.

[Analyst 1]

Yeah.

[Analyst 3]

D.C. and just as cold. Bad Philly. Just as cold.

[Analyst 1]

Yeah. You'll get. You. You probably get. You probably get. I mean, it started the game, look at the field, how it looked like, oh, it's just going to be cold and next thing you know, no snow.

[Analyst 3]

Yeah.

[Analyst 1]

So it's pro. It's probably going to be that next week, same thing. Ok. Eagles fans showed up outside the Rams team hotel today and started trash talking to players this morning. This comes after LA's Jared Verse said last week that he hates Philly and all their fans. Jaylen Carter approached Verse pregame, offered to put the championship game bonus on the line. Vers decline.

[Analyst 3]

Yeah, listen, Verse might have. Verse might have talked his trash, but boy, did that. Boy, he showed up today on.

[Analyst 1]

Well, he gonna be defensive rookie of the year.

[Analyst 3]

He showed up today. He. Verse showed up today as. As much. That's. That's. Listen, as a team, the team didn't win, but when you talk trash like that before a game. He backed it all up. Oh, yeah, he backed it all up with his play. He was all over the place. He was getting Jalen Hurst. Hell.

[Analyst 1]

Hey, I like. I like Jayla Carter. Jayla Carter said, hey, you confident? Put your. Put your bonus up.

[Analyst 3]

Put your money up. He wasn't gonna do that.

[Analyst 1]

Oh, I was just playing. Nah, man, I was just playing on your man. You know how I'll be there.

[Analyst 3]

Yeah. Hey, you know, as a rookie, you ain't putting that money on the land.

[Analyst 1]

Yeah, no, I'm playing. I mean, what did they get? 77 grand for winning. Winning today?

[Analyst 3]

Yeah, everybody. I mean, you know, when you get to the playoffs, everybody's checking. Oh, yeah, y'all.

[Analyst 1]

I don't like. I don't like that I'm taking a pay cut because I know my check. I know my check look like in the regular season and y'all give me. First of all, it wasn't near this when I played. So you can just imagine when I went to that. I was. I retired 20 years ago, Ojo. So you could know the checks were nowhere near this. So I definitely wouldn't have been. I wouldn't have bet. Oh, I would have bet like Green Bay, because they was talking that ish. Or I definitely would have bet all them bums. I definitely would have bet all them. For sure, man. It's going to be a great game. It's going to be. I don't know who had this. Who had Washington and Philly on your bingo card in the NFC Championship? I think a lot of teams had.

[Analyst 3]

They might have had Philly. They might have had Philly in it.

[Analyst 1]

Exactly.

[Analyst 3]

But not Washington. No.

[Analyst 1]

Everybody either had Kansas City. You had some combination. Kansas City, Buffalo, Kansas City, Baltimore. Baltimore, Buffalo. That was the combination that you had in the afc.

[Analyst 3]

Mm.

[Analyst 1]

So I don't think anybody's surprised that we see Buffalo in Kansas City. I think there's a lot of people in shock other than people like, you know, earthquake, quake is a big Washington fan. You know, there are a lot of people that are commander fans that grew that like, man, I'm tired of this losing. I think somebody asked me today, man, do we got a chance? I like, yeah, you got a chance. It's a football game, but I wasn't gonna put no money on Washington, not against Detroit. The Volume.

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