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Co-host 'Ocho'
I got a question before you go. Is he really on borrowed time understanding how great and how good the team is? He actually played one of the few teams that are undefeated in college football. So are they really basing them losing to to Texas A and M as a reason to be fired?
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
He's lost other games. He said he came to win a national championship.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Okay. Okay.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Is he closer to winning a championship than when he got there or is he further away?
Co-host 'Ocho'
He might be a little further away. Okay.
Diego Pavia
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
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Co-host 'Ocho'
From, from what I saw in the game in this entirety. Not only Texas A and M, I thought it was going to be a good game. I thought the game, the way it looked in the first half would obviously creep into the second half and it would be more of an exciting game but obvious. What I saw in the second half is one of the reasons why Texas A and M is one of the better teams in college football. The adjustments that they made in halftime, I'm not sure what coach told them offensively, especially defensively, but they dominated the entire second half. Almost as if LSU didn't even belong on the Goddamn field. That's how bad it looked. They dominated in all three phases of the game, including special teams as well.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
No, what he told him say, just if we. Oh, think about it. They turn the ball up, they're driving the ball.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
They have a 72, a 72 yard drive that ends in the ends with an interception in the touchdown in the end zone. So they're about to score there. At worst case scenario, they're going to get three points.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
So they're about to score there. They're driving the ball again, and the guy tips it at the line of scrimmage and the linebacker picks it. So all they. I'm sure Coach Elko, all he told him is like, guys, if we take care of the football, we, we could beat this team. They don't even belong on the field with us. Because that defense was really getting after Nussmar. They really didn't do anything. They got points off turnovers. Yeah. If we take care of the football, we don't feel they can beat us. We don't feel. First of all, I don't feel they should be on the field with us.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Right. Hey, I kind of felt bad watching the game, honestly. I felt bad for the quarterback. I felt bad for Nuss Meyer. Nuss Meyer.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yes.
Co-host 'Ocho'
I really felt bad because when you're in a situation like that where your offensive line is getting dominated, you continuously keep getting hit and you have to hold your computer, your composure. You can't show any emotion as a quarterback. Especially offensive line is playing bad. You can't fuss at anybody individually because I mean, that, that, that, that has to suck as a quarterback. And it's funny how all quarterbacks, regardless of what level you play at that you have to keep your composure and contain, you know, not getting angry when your O line is. Is just allowing you to get. Oblivion. Obliterated, how you say it.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
That's right.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Obliterated. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's it. That's it. I never used that word before. I've been working. I've been working on my big words.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah, Yeah. I mean, did you go look at it Texas and then went right down the field. Boom. Score. Right down the field. Score quick. And they just turned the ball over. And you look at the second half, they scored 35 straight points. They got 21 in the third quarter. They got another 14 in the fourth quarter. LSU tax on a late field. A late touchdown with under a minute to go. But the game all tense and purposes. Once they got the score, got to 28, 18. I didn't feel. Because I really hadn't seen LSU consistently drive the football. Right. I didn't think at that point in time, unless Texas A and M turned the football over, I didn't feel LSU could do anything to keep up with them. So unless they gotta, you know, force A M to turn the ball over, yeah, they can get a scooping score, you know, something like that. But. But other than that, I didn't see, based on what I had saw up until that point. Right. I didn't see. I didn't see anything. I didn't see enough fighting LSU to make me think that they could come back and win this ball game. Texas A and M. Marcel Reed had another outstanding game. He threw the ball 12 of 21, 202. Two touchdowns, two interceptions. He had 13 rushes for 108 yards, two touchdowns. They ran the ball 40 attempts, 224 yards. That's 5.6 yards of carry. And they had four rushing touchdowns. And they had two touchdowns on the ground. Marcia. Marcia Reed threw for two touchdowns. They had four rushing touchdowns on the ground. So they just. They did a number on lsu. And for me, just looking at it.
Diego Pavia
Right.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah, it's. It's time for him to go. I mean, sometimes, Ocho, your words just fall on deaf ears.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yes, sir.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
And I understand in college, because of the turnover, you see it more in. In pro football because the guys stay a little longer. Yes, but his words are not resonating then. I mean, and in this game is not indicative.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Right.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Of. Of anything. So I'm not just basing it on this game, but what's LSU's record? LSU, they.
Co-host 'Ocho'
I think they were five and two. They lost tonight. I think. I think they five.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Three. They five and they five and three now. Yeah. So they were five coming into the game.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah, I was. Right.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
And it was. It was the team that they were losing to. Losing to this team, but it's. It's how they lost. Sometimes it's more important how you lose than that you lose. And you see Penn State, it wasn't that they lost.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Right.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
It's how they lost. Lost.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
It's how you can't keep losing the team that you're favored to beat by 20 and that granted, they weren't favored to win this ball game.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Right.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
In LSU and Death Valley. And at one point in time, you're down for 49 to 18. Oh, no, no. And think about the money that they're paying him and that staff.
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Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
We talked about this the other night. Oo is that College football is getting a lot like NFL because you're paying college, college coaches and they're getting these premium DCs and OCs, right? And you're paying a big staff and you've having to pay players now. So this, this long leash that you.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Normally would have, you ain't got anymore. But also, this is the problem. At what point. I know we always put. We always point to the coaches. We always point to the coaches, the money they're making. Obviously you're paying players now, but what happens when the players aren't playing them at the par, despite what the money. Despite the money they are making at the college level? Hell.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Huh? Go ahead.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Now I'm gonna say what happens when the players aren't playing up to par despite the in, out, nil money they are making. And it's always the coach's fault. Did that mean that that's unfair. If we don't have the players, even though they're getting paid, we don't have the players to compete with the better teams. Well, hell, how is it my fault as a coach? I can only do so much. I can only teach and coach so much. At some point, the players got to execute the goddamn. I mean, you know what I'm gonna say? Curriculum. The goddamn curriculum. Shit.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Who recruited those players?
Co-host 'Ocho'
Ah, okay. You, right?
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Those are the players that he said gave him the best chance to. To do. He the one that left Notre Dame. Normally, coaches don't leave. You don't leave Michigan, you don't leave Ohio State, you don't leave Notre Dame, you don't leave Alabama, you don't leave places like that. Now, if you go. If you're gonna go to the NFL, I get it.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
You don't normally leave those programs and go to another collegiate program, Right? Those are the best of the best. He left Notre Dame, said he wanted to compete for a national championship because he didn't feel he could do it there. Although he had been in the national title, the national championship game with Notre Dame, and they got the brakes beat off him by Alabama. So he had been in that before. Just say, you know what, guys? LSU offered me a ish ton of money and I'm going down there.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Wait a minute. Now, along with getting an ish ton of money, also understand the pedigree of athletes that come through lsu, that come through the boot.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Your Justin Jefferson, your Jamar Chase is. So I'm thinking that pipeline of great players, not only receivers, but other skill positions as well. I will always have an opportunity to get Them coming through here.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Oh, you mean like Malik Neighbors? Oh, you mean like Brian Thomas Jr. Yeah. Oh, them, yeah. Oh, and he ain't win no national championship with them guys.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Okay, you got me. You got you. Okay, you got me. But also, hey, listen, having those type of players gives you a better chance of getting there. Now, do they have anything, anything close to that right now?
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Oh, I forgot. If you don't mind me asking, Ocho, who was throwing the ball to them? Not the Heisman Trophy winner. Jane Daniels.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah, that's him. Yeah, that's him.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Oh. So what is the likelihood if you're not competing for a national championship and you got what, three guys that go in the first? I mean, I think, I think Brian Thomas jeweller was the first, right? Yeah, he was. Jaden Daniels, the number two pick. Malik Neighbors was the first round pick for the Giant. Brian Thomas Jr. If you don't win a national championship with those guys, what makes you think that was probably your best opportunity?
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah, when J, when Jaden was there. Absolutely. Yes, absolutely.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
I just think it's time, I, I, I think, you know, LSU is probably like, look, man, we not close. We're not close. We're not. Because now you see A and M, they're moving up.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Oh, Miss, they're moving up. Look, I can live with if Alabama is doing this to us, I can live with that. That's Alabama, right? If Georgia's doing this, I can live with that. Vanderbilt beat us. Vanderbilt beat us.
Co-host 'Ocho'
This ain't the same Vanderbilt.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Now that should never be the same lsu. That should be the same lsu. That should be the LSU that produce all those first round, those high round draft picks and put player after player after player after player in the NFL.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
So I, I get it. You're right, dude. Absolutely right. This is not the Vanderbilt that I, when I was in college and the last 10 years, the last 15 years, just say the last five years, the last two years. Last year they got Alabama, we thought that was a fluke. This year they come back and they get LSU and they played Alabama really close. The quarterback probably had a couple of turnovers, uncharacteristic turnovers, but if you can't consistently. So now you losing the Alabama, you losing the Ole Miss, you losing. I think Florida got him. I, I, I just, I just don't know. I just don't know Ocho if there's going to be a better scenario or there's a better situation than what he currently has and he can't win. He can't win. LSU is about. They're trying to win the national championship.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah. You know what's crazy? You know what's really crazy, though? If you think about the landscape of college football and you're saying that he needs to be fired because he can't be the better teams in college football and a 5 and 3 LSU team, the coach deserves to be fired. When other coaches and other teams would be elated and happy to even be above.500 and winning and being 5 and 3.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
It's. It's not. It's not your record. It's where you are. And what's the expectations that comes along with where you are? You know, a. Yeah, you can be ecstatic about being 5, 3. But how close is that getting you to play for an SEC championship?
Co-host 'Ocho'
Right.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
How close is that to getting you to play for a college football championship? That ain't close. That is not going to happen. So here's another year that's going to go by to guess what. LSU is not complete competing for an SEC title and they're not going to be in the college football playoffs.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Hey, that, that, that's crazy how just having a winning season is not enough.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Not good enough. Not in some program.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Not when you paying that kind of money. Right.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Think about the kind of money that they've invested in this PR. In this program. Remember, Brian Kelly's probably making $10 million a year.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Okay. You paying the offensive coordinator at least a million, million and a half. But same thing with the DC and then all your other staff. So you might got 15, 16, $17 million invested in a staff. Now I throw another four or five million dollars on top of that for Nils. So I got a 20. I got a 20 million. I'm pumping out $20 million for what? At least get me to the SEC championship game.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Right.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
At least let me get. Let me see what it's like. Oh. Cause I. Cause the College bowl money. I mean the College Football Playoff. But that's huge money. Let me get some of that. Let me get at that.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah. And listen, you know what? And you can blame all the players that came through lsu, Honey Badger, Jamar Joe Burrow, because the expectation for them.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
For when they're gone. And Pat P. Yeah, yeah, listen.
Co-host 'Ocho'
The expectations are high if you don't reach a certain. A certain college football playoffs or competing for a national championship. You know what? Even if it's a winning season, it's a failure.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yes. He said he wanted to go somewhere to compete for a national championship. He opened his mouth. Anybody asking that Ain't nobody asking why he was going down there.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Right, right, right.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Forget the fact that they paid you probably double the salary that you was making at a Notre Dame, but that's not the hero north there. Or at least money time. One and a half times that what you were making. You said you want to compete for a national championship.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
I believe right now they're further away than they were when he arrived.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
So if I'm further away than when you arrive and we're paying you this kind of money, it doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't make sense to me to keep paying for something when I don't know it doesn't work. At what point in time, Ocho? Okay, I got this car. And one week is the radiator, the next week is the transmission, and the week after that is the catalytic converter, and the next week of that is the voltage regular. At some point in time, it's just time to get me a new car.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
At some point in time, Ocho, it's just time to get me a new coach.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah. Damn. Hey, but, Unc, can I tell you something?
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yes.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Sometimes you got to be careful what you wish for. And this is for LSU fans in general, getting a new coach and still having the same players, eh? I mean, well, if I. That doesn't much. Does anything really change if you still changing the coach? And it's like. It's like, hey, you got it. You got a car, right?
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah.
Co-host 'Ocho'
It ain't running good because of the engine you got, but you change the goddamn tires and expect it to drive different because you put new tires on that mother. My bad on it. You know what I mean?
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yes.
Co-host 'Ocho'
You still going to need the players. You're still going to need the talent at certain positions. You need. You need some dogs, maybe two or three of them. You got to be the whole team, just two or three. That can make a difference. That can impact you on defense, that can make an impact on offense. If you didn't got that, hell, if you didn't got no quarterback, you might as well chalk up the whole season.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Well, Bryce Underwood, the quarterback that went to Michigan, he was supposed to go to lsu, and then the big donors at Michigan stepped in.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
And, you know, 12 and a half million dollars over four years, they lose out. Now, would he have helped the situation? Maybe, but we don't know. All we can do is go by what they. What they currently have. And what they currently have is not enough to help them compete for an SEC title because at the end of the day, Ocho, without competing for an SEC title, how do you get to go to the College Football Playoff? Because the teams are so good. I mean, you got you. I mean you got Alabama with one loss. I think you got Ole Miss with one loss. You got A M with no losses. You got Georgia with what? One loss. So. So what? So where does that leave you? With three losses, Right?
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah. Out the picture.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Exactly. Yeah.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Hey, inside the house, in the window, looking through the blinds.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah.
Co-host 'Ocho'
And everybody else.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
What's Vanderbilt's record? Abandoned belts and Vanderbilts beat you so you can't leapfrog them. Nah, you still got. Tennessee got a better record than you.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
I think Texas has a better record than you. Oklahoma has a better record than you.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Damn.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
You see how far you down there?
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
They're like, nah, that a. That, that's not. That's not what we paid for. I mean A M A and M looked really good. They got it. They hunted the quarterback.
Co-host 'Ocho'
That defense.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah, yeah, man. They got up to the quarterback. That offense is really efficient. You got Marcel Reed with those legs and he can throw the ball. They got guys that can make plays. I mean the way he threw that over route. He just over the out stretch guy's hand and the guy snagged it with one hand.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Spin and took off running.
Co-host 'Ocho'
That was nice.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah. Yeah. They got a. They got a very, very, very good squad. It's gonna be interesting to see. I think they're on the same side as Alabama. I think they're on that same side as Bama.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Hey, hey, speaking. Speaking of quarterbacks.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Right.
Co-host 'Ocho'
And speaking of Reese and. And. And Pavia. I'm not sure if Carson Beck is in the conversation I still have yet. We and we in week eight. We're going into week eight. I ain't heard nothing about Heisman Trophy. Who might be the front runner. I haven't heard anything.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
No. The way Reeves played, I think he's in the contention 8. No guys playing well. Ty Simpson to Alabama. Mendoza, I watched him today against ucla. Now I understand UCLA went back to back games, but they leave a lot to be desired. They dropped 50. 50 on them. Won a division.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Was a game UCLA since they fired coach. They won the last three. Nine.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Until they met. Till they met Indiana today.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yep. Indiana. Indiana's quarterback is looking good. Yeah, but it's. It's still wide open. Oo, it's wide open. It's going to come down. Hell, it might come down to a championship game, but I don't Think anybody, anybody is running away with it? Nah, it's not like, oh yeah, yeah, that's the Heisman Trophy winner right there. No, that, that's, that's not it.
Co-host 'Ocho'
The fact that we're in the nil money era in general, where players are able to be, where players are able to get paid for their services. There has been no one to stand out this year that is a Joe Burrow type or Cam Newton or jaden Daniels or C.J. stroud. Someone that just jumps out at you on tape and knowing that no matter, no matter what, we have a chance. As long as this individual is on the field and has a ball in his hands all the time, we have a chance. There's, there's nothing like that this year.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah. Diego Pavia, who's going to join us a little later. Yeah, he's, he's in the running.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Considering what, what Vanderbilt normally, what has been and what the way he has them positioned right now. Yeah, they're definitely in the mix.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Hey, you know what? Excuse me. Excuse my lack of knowledge. Well, just, just based on watching Pavia the past three, four weeks, is it his comparison? Am I wrong to say Baker Mayfield typeish? No. Yes.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
He kind of reminds you more of Johnny, but his, his runs are more designed than Johnny. Johnny was like, Johnny would drop back the past and that. He. I think they had every intention for Johnny depth. He. Johnny's like, nah, it ain't there.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah, I'm out of here.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah, he, and he was all over the place, right? But. And I think that's, you know, Johnny is, is, is mentoring him because he, he, Johnny probably sees himself a lot in him.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Right?
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Number four Alabama rally to beat South Carolina 2922 at Williams Bryce Stadium for its seventh straight win. Jeremy Bernard scored two touchdowns in the final two and a half minutes. Ty Simpson threw for 253 yards, two touchdowns. DeShawn Jones returned an interception 18 yards of the score. Look, South Carolina had them, had them on the ropes.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
They go get a touchdown, okay? South Carolina can get the ball, run all the time off the clock and get a field goal or touchdown and win the game. Give Lawson unbelievable credit because they have Sellers locked up and he rips the ball out. And I know people like, man, what the cornerbacks do it. He probably was instructed, if they get past, let them score, let him go.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
The one thing we don't want to do is to have them run time off the clock and then kick a walk off field goal. So the guy DAV a great call and and and Bernard is their best receiver.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Whoa.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
I know what. I know what will. He drops too many passes. He drops entirely too many passes. Bernard is their best receiver.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Okay. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay, wait. Stay with me real quick.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Okay.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Bernard is their most consistent receiver. He's not their best receiver. Their best receiver is Ryan Williams.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Not right now, Ocho.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Okay.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
You basing everything. And let me ask you a question. If you didn't see last year and you just watching this year, what would you say that.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Okay. No, but Bernard is actually their best receiver.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Okay, look, we gave him $3 million on nil money for last year. We're talking about this year. Oh, so he dropped far too many passes, Ocho.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
I mean, far too many. Ojo, you can't. You come on now. Yeah, you. If you. That guy. And dropping passes like that.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
I don't know if I've ever seen a receiver, like, with the ability that he has and know what he's capable of. Yes. To drop as many passes as he does. Yeah. I don't know if it's a lack of concentration. I don't know what. I don't know what it is.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
But he's dropping routine stuff. Oh. Stuff that he's supposed to stick in his back pocket.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah, yeah. He got. You got to go back to the basics, man. You got to go back to the basics. Obviously, just like baseball, you know, you have sluggers. Sometimes sluggers go in a slump.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Sometimes they go in a slump. And that slump can last for a few games. But once you come up out of that slump and get your confidence back, that's all it comes down to. Not only your eyes and seeing the ball all the way in, but also that confidence in your head. Oh, I'm going to get jiggy with this. I'm going to get jiggy with this. And most of the time, that confidence comes with what? With repetition of catching the ball. Not in goddamn practice. Forget doing in the practice. Catch it in the game. Catching it early, feeling it early, feeling like you're a part of the offense. And he'll get himself back into a groove. Once you get back in that groove, you'll be okay. Because even me, as much trash as I talk, if I drop a ball, I got the jitters. I'm not even gonna lie to you. I got the jitters because the next ball that comes, I ain't using their hand. It's gonna hit the eight and the five. It's gonna hit the eight and the five, and I'm gonna cradle it and make sure I get it. Now, once I get that confidence and I'm feeling like, okay, I can relax now, now I can get myself back in the groove, then I'm snatching everything out there, right?
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah. Ty Simpson was 24, 43, 253, two touchdowns. They pressured him an unbelievable amount of times. Alabama really didn't run the football today, so they weren't able to keep those rushers at bay. Barrett had an outstanding game. The defensive lineman from South Carolina, they got a couple of guys over there that's going to be playing on Sunday, because some guys just going to be playing on Sunday. And when you can't run the football and a team can just pin their ears back because they were able to stop you with their front four. Right. And then come Hunt. I mean, they had 23 rushes for 72 yards. Basically three yards of carry.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
With a longer 25. And that was Bernard.
Co-host 'Ocho'
And you know. You know, it's funny, if. If. If South Carolina was able to stop them the way they stopped the run, if they was to stop with the back end, was able to stop the pass, or it would have been a different ball game. Yeah, it would have been a whole different ball game.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
But when. When Alabama needed to make plays, they made basically the. Not the final drive, but the drive before, and they needed to go down and, and get points out of it. They were able to do that.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
And that's what, and that's what, you know, that's how you measure a team. Okay. When you have to have it, you absolutely have to have it. Can you go get it? Can your offense stay on the field? Can you convert third downs? Can you stay in front of the sticks Instead of being second and 10, can you make it second and six, second and five, third instead of third and long, can you make it third and one to three, third and three to five? Things that are manageable. You're not going to keep picking up third long. You're not going to keep picking up third and eight, third and 10, third and 13, second and 14. You're not going to keep, you're not going to keep converting. The shorter the distance, the more apt you are to convert that. And give Alabama credit, give their defense credit because when they needed, they needed to bow their backs, they did that as well because they took the ball from it. They took the ball from South Carolina and put their offense on a short field. But yeah, look, I thought I would get more from Sellers this year. I'm kind of disappointed in the way he's played this year. He hadn't been what I thought he was going to be. I thought because watching him last year and seeing how well he played last year, I thought this year he'd come in and just step, pick right up where he left off and play even better. That's, that was my expectation. And you know, hey, he might come out and he still might be a high round draft pick, but I definitely thought I would see, I would see more from him. More from him this year. One game he got knocked. I forget what game. I think a Missouri game, he ended up getting knocked out of that game.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
And he just had, he just, he hadn't played well this year. He hadn't played well this year that he threw an interception and he had, you know, that the interception really wasn't his fault. His guy tipped it, popped up in there and he get a pick six on that. Right. But Ocho, you cannot, you cannot fumble the ball.
Co-host 'Ocho'
No.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
In negative territory and have it ripped out. You can't, you can't let him rip that ball out. Give Alabama credit and give Lawson credit. The guy that pulled it out, he saw they had him. He wasn't going nowhere. So now let me just attack the football.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Did a great job of popping it out. Alabama showed me something. They still not out of the wood. They still got Auburn. Ash put up a. Put Alabama schedule up. They. But Alabama number the number four Crimson Tide, they're playing well since that first game. I mean think about where they're. Think about after the first game we saw Alabama and we thought Alabama was gonna go here and Florida State was going to go there.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Go there. Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Hey, Alabama is going here and Florida State's going there.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Complete complete opposite. It's, it's, it's, it's a small sample size of where you at, but it's not, it's not your true identity. It's too early in the season. It's too early in the season.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
They get LSU at home, that, that's a win. They get Oklahoma at home, that's going.
Co-host 'Ocho'
To be a good one.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Eastern Illinois at home, that's a win. And they're on the road at Auburn. Iron Bow.
Co-host 'Ocho'
That's gonna be a good one.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
That's gonna be a good one.
Co-host 'Ocho'
That's gonna be.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Because you know when you, when you play a rival doesn't matter. Throw the records out the window. Cuz guess what? That might be for a chance to go to the SEC championship game. That might be for a chance to play for the College Football Playoff. So Al, Auburn say look, we ain't got no chance for none of that. So you know what? Misery loves company. Well, if we ain't got no, if we ain't got no lights, you ain't gonna have no gas. So hey, I want everybody. Hey, you can't see and you cold. So that works out there. Everybody miserable Ocho. That's how that's I look at everybody's miserable.
Diego Pavia
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
I mean they go on the road. I mean think about it. They beat Georgia. I mean they got a very impressive resume. Think about it. They beat number five, Georgia, number 16, Vandy, number 14, Missouri, number 11, Tennessee. Now if they go, if they beat LSU, I don't know if LSU will be ranked at the time. They might fall out of the top 25.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Right.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Oklahoma lost today. They won't fall out of the top 25. But if you beat 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5 ranked teams. Yeah, that's good. That, that the committee is going to really going to really going to really find that impressive.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Absolutely. And obviously you know, the committee not only going to find impressive, but you know, who, who moves the needle? Alabama move the needle.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Never travel. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Economic economically at that. And you know what it's about when it comes to goddamn playoffs.
Colin Coward
Yeah.
Co-host 'Ocho'
We need to be able to make as Much as possible, the teams that we choose and have to be on this road. And who does. Who does that better than Roll Tide?
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Roll Tide going to travel. And. And I think the thing is, Ocho, in the College Football Playoff, now, the first game is at home. So, you know, Alabama is going to sell out. You know, any of these teams in the sec, and for the most part, Ohio State teams like that. Come on, you know what they do.
Diego Pavia
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
You know who they are.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Absolutely.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
And their fan bases travel very well. They travel. So, you know, we go. You know, you're trying to get 80, 85, 90,000 in the ring, in. In the stadiums every time we have a College Football Playoff game. And it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter where you play. Alabama's going. Alabama's gonna go. They're gonna pick up. They gonna. They're gonna. They're gonna, hey, load up the RVs, and they're gonna go get the Airbnbs and they're gonna. They coming. They're gonna bring that economic boom.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
The Ohio states, the Georgia, those teams, they travel.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
And that means a lot. Now, the resume speaks for itself. I mean, like I said, number 14, Missouri. Number 11 of Tennessee, number 15, Vandy. Number 5, Georgia.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Big time.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah. On the road, beat South Carolina. I. And they beat Georgia on the road, and they beat Missouri on the road, and they. Yeah. Beat South Carolina. Now, South Carolina is not what we thought they were going to be be.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Right.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Which is disappointing to me. But, hey, I beat who on my schedule, and they're on the schedule and we beat him. But I was very impressed with. I was very impressed. You know, Ty Simpson didn't have his best game today. He had Bernard on the over route and just overshot him because if he catches, he's out the gate, he's gone.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Gone.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah, he gone. And he just overshot him. And he knew it. I mean, you see him on the sideline, like, my bad. But I like. I like Bernard. I like Bernard. He's consistent. He twitchy. Now, I don't know how fast he is, Ocho, but he twitchy.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah. Yeah, he is.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah, man. And. But Alabama. Alabama has to be pleased. Kaylin DeBoer, because, you know, the lady wanted to win the lottery because she wanted him up out of there. She said the first thing. She said, first thing I'm gonna do without, go give Alabama 70, whatever it take, and he gonna be gone.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah. Hey, matter of fact, after they lost that LSU game, that's all. The whole timeline, it's talking. Yeah. Him getting up out of there. Well, God damn.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Oh, yeah, man, they don't play. Hey, you got to understand the unprecedented level of success that they've had for the last 20. Oh, they've won six national championships, they've played for two others, and they've been in the college football playoffs. Up. Time, time.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
So think about it. That's when, that's when the fan base gets spoiled.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Right?
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Every three years we win the national championship. Every other year we're playing for an SEC title.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Every other year we're in the college football playoffs. So when you. Hey, I mean, Kaylin DeBoer lost three games last year. Fire him. He gotta go. Oh, this is the 17th time in 18 years they've started at least seven or seven. What is it, 71?
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
17 time in 18 years that they've started at least seven and one. Man, let me tell you, Babel f they try to hear no 10 and 3. If it's 10 and 3, it better have a national championship attached to it.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Right?
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
10 and three and you don't. 10 and three and you didn't play for an SEC title and you didn't go to the college football player. Man, please.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah, Heads got. Heads got the room.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah, they try to. They ain't trying to hear that. None of that. So is he. Is he ready? Okay, we got our very special guest joining us tonight today. Vandy had his first appearance on college game day in 17 years and the Commodores beat Missouri to extend the program's best start in 80 years. Better yet, three wins have come against AP Top 25 teams, the first time in Vandy history. And here he is, a large part of that. The reason why the Vanderbilt Commodores have had success. The quarterback, Diego Pavia. Diego, what's going on, bro? You mute? You mute? You muted.
Diego Pavia
My bad, my bad. What's up, y'? All? I appreciate y' all having me. I got some people in the background though. They want to say what's up?
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
All right, what's up? Who you got? Hey, that's what's up. How you doing, man?
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Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah. Yeah. Hey. Hey, Chad. Hey. I need some feet. I need some feet.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Drill.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Chad. Yo, yo, og. Well, bro, we appreciate you after a big win like that. We know normally you'll be out probably celebrating with the boys, but we appreciate you giving us some of your time.
Diego Pavia
Honey, you know the party don't start till after 12, so we're all okay.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
That's what's up then. That's what's up. So that's. You can't be there when the party start. You got to walk in, let them know you there out. Dp.
Diego Pavia
Now we're thinking alike, huh?
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
When? This season. Look, after last year, what you were able to do, you beat Alabama for the first time in forever. And so now you set expectations coming into this season. What were the expectations for you and this ball club?
Diego Pavia
Well, we set out in January that we want to win the national championship. We feel like we're the best team in college football still. Our defense is really good, our offense is good, and our special team is good. So we just put those three together. Shoot, you know what it is.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
And you, you, the way you've been playing, you, you kind of caught people by surprise last year, but the way you played last year, so you know the expectations coming in this year, you're supposed to improve on last year's production. How have you been able to stay even keel? Don't get too high, don't read the press, the Internet, the press clippers, and let everybody pat you on the back and tell you how great you are. You stayed really level headed, but you've played exceptional well this year.
Diego Pavia
Coming into this year, a lot of people were like, man, Diego's figured out he's washed, he ain't got it. You know what I mean? Real, real. That's what they were saying. Yeah, yeah, you know, come show me, come show me I ain't got it. Come show me you got me figured out. But shoot. I think the most important thing though is we're a team. Like we all got each other's six. That's how it is.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
I like that.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Hey, you're confident. Where are you from originally?
Diego Pavia
Albuquerque, New Mexico. They call it Alba Crazy New Mexico though.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah, I like it. The confidence you have. Not only the way you play, the way you speak, the way you carry yourself, the way you walk, you move, your aura, you move like you him. Where does that confidence come from? Especially at the quarterback position? Most of the time it's frowned upon. They want to be buttoned up and say all the right things. But I like your style, I like your style. And do you think once you get to the next level, please tell me you remain the same way you are now.
Diego Pavia
I'm going to be the same killer I've always been. I've been doing this shit since juco, you feel me?
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
When no one believed in me.
Diego Pavia
No, I like it. I was a, a negative star. You ever see one of those?
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah, I like it, I like it.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
But the thing is, I'm looking at your numbers. I mean 29, 10 to 19, 129. You didn't have the greatest day, but you found a way when the rubber needed to meet the road. When you need a. It's 10, 10 and it's four minutes in the ball game and we got to go down and get a touchdown. Cuz we going to put pressure on you. We don't want you to kick no field goal, we want you to come down against our defense and have to get a tub. Cuz I'm gonna get this in the end zone. I hey, hey, don't. We gonna get this ball when I throw it, you catch it. When I hand it to you, just hold on to it. Cuz we gonna get this ball in the end zone and we gonna put pressure on them to make them go down and get a touchdown against our defense.
Diego Pavia
I, I was just in the huddle and we came off the timeout and the first play was supposed to go to me and then they changed it up and gave it to Seti Seti got it, got it close or whatever. And I knew that next play, I knew, I knew that was going to me, so I was like, game over.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Hey, so let me ask you this. They throw the hail Mary and the guy catches it because the officials at first said no good, but they Review it. And then, look, he caught it. But he was at the 1 1.
Diego Pavia
I was like, oh, we're going overtime. And the crazy thing is that we went into overtime with them last year, too, but the score was 2020, so it was like, I was like, oh, that coming over. But it was gonna swing our way this time, you know.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Right, right. So now look, you're, you're, you're seven and one. There's still a chance you guys can get to the SEC Championship game. You go to the SEC Championship game, anything can happen. You know, you win the sec, you go into the College Football Playoff. That's the one thing we know. Whoever moving forward from now until perpetuity, if you win the SEC Championship, you go be in the College Football Playoff. So now how do you remain, how do you keep this team focused? They're like, look, guys, we really haven't accomplished anything yet. Yeah, we're seven and one and we're happy. And the words of young thug, whoop did do. Whoop did do we 7 and 1. But now I'm trying. How do I get to be 8 and 1? What, so what's your message? What's going to be your message to your teammate? Obviously, you're going to enjoy the win. You get 24 hours to enjoy win.
Diego Pavia
Yes.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
What is going to be your message to your team on Sunday?
Diego Pavia
Well, I think a lot of guys broke up with their girlfriend, so they're hungry themselves. Real, real. Junior just broke up with his girlfriend, so he's hungry. He said, feeding the ball, you know.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Okay, that's what's up.
Diego Pavia
A lot of guys don't got girlfriends right now on the team, so I think that motivates us. But I think going into this next game is taking one game at a time. Like, Texas is a good team. They won tonight in a critical time, and we'll see them at home. Dude, we're really excited just to get another opportunity to play, though. Our defense is playing lights out. Our old line, they were, they were coming up to me after the game and they're like, yo, bro, sorry, sorry, sorry. And I'm like, dude, we won. You know, but they just want to play better and just like become so dominant. Like, that's just the expectation of just being a Vanderbilt football player now is just being dominant. Like not, not these little marginal wins. It's, it's going out there and just laying it all on the line, you.
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How have you been able. How have you been able to stay levelheaded? Obviously, look, Vanderbilt, the program is not one. It's not Alabama. It's not one of these perennial powerhouses. But you're turning it into that because Johnny Manziel put Texas A M back on the map. It was. Now when they think of Texas A M and they've had good players come out of Texas A M. Yeah. But Texas A M now is the house where they play. Cow Field is the house that Johnny built. Now you're that guy. You're the guy that's putting Vanderbilt football back on the map. So how does, how does Diego Pavia stay level headed into that? You know, you the ish. You know that. You know, I be you like. Damn, what's that smell? Oh, that's me. Because I'm the dookie. That's me. So, so how do you, how do you stay level headed to make sure that you don't get too far in front of yourself?
Diego Pavia
Well, one, I do yoga every Monday. That makes me come like, and just like come back to earth, you know? And then on Tuesday after practice, I do a lot of grounding. I'll ground for like an hour and that usually after that it's like our full reset. I'm good to go, ready for Saturday.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
So what, what, what, what a party at tonight?
Diego Pavia
Have you ever heard of the street called Broadway?
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Diego Pavia
What are we talking about, huh?
Co-host 'Ocho'
Okay, okay, okay. I like it.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Hey, quiet camp Ocho. Nashville, like that.
Diego Pavia
You haven't been here?
Co-host 'Ocho'
I've been to Nashville once. I've been in Nashville. 1.
Diego Pavia
Hey, but listen, you must like black.
Co-host 'Ocho'
You listen. Hey, dp, this is the thing. I. I'm one that. I don't party. I, I've never had alcohol before. I don't, I don't drink. I don't do anything. I don't go, I don't go to clubs. I like jazz, I like cigars. So I'm really not the fun guy you would like to hang with. And I play video game 24 7, so I'm really boring.
Diego Pavia
My boy CB too, he don't drink. He don't do any of that either. And he still has a good time on Broadway. Broadway is a place for everyone, I'll tell you that right now.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Hold on. Is that an invite? Is that an invite?
Diego Pavia
That's an invite. That's an invite. We have two more home games. This is an invite for both of you guys to come out and show out.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Hold on, I'll come. Can I come on the field?
Diego Pavia
Do dogs bark?
Co-host 'Ocho'
Hey, I'm IBM.
Diego Pavia
We Might be able to put a helmet on you Ask. Ask Theo.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
You still got some. How much time you got left available? Hey, Theo. What's up?
Co-host 'Ocho'
What's good?
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
What's up, bro?
Co-host 'Ocho'
How you been?
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Good. See this guy? You feel me?
Co-host 'Ocho'
Hey, I got you. Make sure you're there.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Have a fresh cigar right there on the sideline for you.
Diego Pavia
Hey, Ask. Ask Theo Vandy over here. They even let you like blow the whistle for like the start of the third quarter or whatever, huh?
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Bro, when I first, they got more recruits here.
Diego Pavia
Now.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
When I first came, the first game, they had probably six recruits on the sidelines. They had one dude in a wheelchair, he was a recruit. And I'm like, what is he gonna do? But they said we might need him. I said, the Lord need he just give him some rest. But now today they had like 150 recruits, man. It's wild. It's different. Yeah. Hey, man, Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt turning up. They turning up. So. Hey, Diego, what. I mean, you got it. You gonna have any more eligibility left after this year?
Diego Pavia
Yeah, I think I got like 14 or 16 years in the league. Hey, hey, hey. Just sign me up. I'll win you a few of these. You feel me?
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
That's what's up. Hey, man, Diego, man, that's unbelievable, man. So I get. See, now you with the guy. Cause Theo is from in Nashville, so you just go with Theo. So everything just opened up down there to Nashville, man. Damn.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Hey, wait, you. I'm. I'm going. Nashville is an hour and 30 minute flight.
Diego Pavia
Where you at?
Co-host 'Ocho'
Damn, I. I live in Miami.
Diego Pavia
No, no, we might.
Co-host 'Ocho'
We might have to visit you.
Diego Pavia
We might have to visit you.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Bring some of them white girls with.
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Diego Pavia
You know, he's selfish. You know, he in the glasses and both of them.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
No, no. Hey, I was gonna come. I was gonna come, but I can't come now. Cause y' all ready. Listen, hey, I'm on probation.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Hey, hey, Uncle. Hey, hey, hey. Dp.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Uncle.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Uncle's on probation. And. And I'm married. I'm married. I'm married. I'm married. Oh.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
I might be able to come, but since you're gonna be going out, unfortunately, I'm not gonna be able to join you. Diego, I'm sorry.
Diego Pavia
Leave you guys at the. At the jail cell with my bro.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Man.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Appreciate you. Hey, Diego, appreciate your time, man. Best of luck. Stay healthy. And man, hey, we look. I love watching you every single week. Watch you do Your thing, man. Appreciate it.
Diego Pavia
I appreciate you guys. That's love, man. I'm gonna catch you guys. Oh, I'll see you here.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah. Hey, Shane.
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Diego Pavia
We'll see both of y'.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
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Diego Pavia
All right. All right, bro.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Appreciate you, man. Hold on, Ocho. Hey, is it 26 already?
Co-host 'Ocho'
Hey, he live.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You could take. Oh, yeah. He all the way live.
Co-host 'Ocho'
He live. You. You know what it remind me of? This is my first time meeting him. Just the interaction and the way he carries himself. He's very. Hey, he remind me like. Like Scatterbo, but playing quarterback. Yeah, I. I like him.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Oh, you. Oh, he all the way live.
Co-host 'Ocho'
I like him. Oh, yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Oh, he no low. He live. Live. Like the joker said in the first bat, wed. Oh, we got a live one here. Yeah, he all. He all the way. 1,000.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Hey, listen, that. That is the kind of quarterback I want to play for.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Oh, yeah?
Co-host 'Ocho'
That's the type of dude you want to play for. Like that, man, that a unknown. That's good energy. What? That's good energy. It's different. It's different than what a quarterback is supposed.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yes.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Like. Yes, it's different. It's authentic. It's raw. Pause.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
I can see why. I can see why. I can see why Johnny gravitated towards him. Johnny sees, and I told you at the beginning, Johnny sees a lot of himself in him now.
Co-host 'Ocho'
I get it. And we're not talking just. We not just talk about on the field, either.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Dope.
Co-host 'Ocho'
I like good energy.
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Johnny. You know, Johnny. Got an opportunity to know him outside of the football. Outside of the field. Yeah. Okay. They're height and they kind of play similar, but their personalities and. And. And. And the confidence that they exude that they. That they. They instill in their teammates. Yeah, I see why. I really see why now.
Co-host 'Ocho'
That was dope. That was really dope. That was dope.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah, that was. He was. He got the O bar.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Ah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
They won Charleston Southern. They beat Virginia Tech. They be South Carolina to be Georgia State. They be Utah State. Lost to Alabama. Beat number 10 LSU at the time. Beat number 15, Missouri at the time. They got Texas and Auburn, Kentucky. They got Texas on the road, Auburn at home, Kentucky at home. And then they finish up the season in state rival Tennessee. Oh, man. It's. It's. It was. It's. Man, I said, you got the eligibility, say? Yeah, 14 to 16 years in NFL. That's what my eligibility. Ah. Oh, man.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Hey, Colorado.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Colorado.
Co-host 'Ocho'
What's. That's the That's.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah. They get the door blowed off of Mocho. I looked, it was 33, nothing.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Hold on. What conference is that?
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
The Big 12, isn't it?
Co-host 'Ocho'
Okay.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Oh, they playing Utah. It's 43. It's 43 0. It's halftime.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Halftime. Damn. Hey.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Utah. Utah good, man.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Man.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah. Utah. Utah good. They. They not ranked. They. They not ranked. But they could play some ball.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah, I. I guess so. Guess the band. The band gonna be playing a lot tonight.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Damn.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Number eight. The Ole Miss Rebs beat Oklahoma 34 26. Trinidad Chambliss threw for 315 yards and a touchdown. Kiwan Lacy ran for two scores. They were losing. They got out to a. A lead. Oklahoma came back and then Ole Miss scored the final nine points in order to win the ball game. Trinidad Tam was 24, 44, 315, one touchdown. He ran the ball 12 times for 53 yards. They had 41 rushes, 116 yards. John Matier, Oklahoma was 17, 31, 223, one touchdown. Xavier Robinson had nine carries for a buck six. A buckle nine, 28 rushes, 136 teams that. See what happened? Ole Miss had. Okay, nine or 21. Damn. When you have 21 third downs, Ocho.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Look, that was a good bounce back win for, For Ole Miss.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Had a big lead last week. Coughed that up against Georgia and had a lead. Had what you call them. They flipped the script this week. Lane Kiffin, the coach. Now look, there have been rumblings that he might go to Florida. Florida's gonna try to throw the bag because they got. Look, when you one of these schools, Ocho, and you trying to land a coach and you one of these prominent schools, Florida, Penn State, you know, Penn State is not what they once were, but they still have a name. Yeah, you still need a name.
Co-host 'Ocho'
A name. A name ain't gonna cut it. I mean, we. We've come to realize that the name Penn State, the name LSU is not gonna cut it. Because unless you get the certain players, the players that you need, the special, the impact players, it's not gonna work. You're just getting a bunch of guys. And most of the time we get fascinated with four star, five star, you know, I mean, it's cute. It's cute to be ranked like that, but what are you. What kind of star are you gonna be once you on that field? Once you on the field? Because we help. We got all these four and five star rankings, right? And you look at the landscape of college football, nobody's Playing like a four or five star ranking.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah, you're right.
Co-host 'Ocho'
You know, every week you supposed to be popping out on tape every week if you five star. I don't care who you playing.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
You're absolutely right. I 1000% agree with you. I mean, that's what. That's why you was able to get that big. That's why you was able to get a million dollars or you were able to get $500,000 according to your position was because you were supposed to be that dude. Okay, now show me.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah, listen. Matter of fact, think about the nil money one. One of the players that makes the most, you know, Jeremiah Smith.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Every time he is on the field.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah.
Co-host 'Ocho'
You locked in because something happened. You don't know what and you don't know when, but you know it's gonna happen.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah, I agree.
Co-host 'Ocho'
That's a five star. That's someone that is worth every penny he's being paid in nil. They're very few of him in the entirety of college football. You know what Ohio State is playing. I have to watch them because I want to see what that individual is going to do. And the rest of the supporting cast as well is also good.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah. Miss their. What's their record now? They're. They're 71.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah. They lost one.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
They're going to have something. They're going to have something to say about the SEC championship. I think they're on the side with Alabama. I think they're in the SEC West. But Chambers threw the ball really well today. I was very impressed with the way he threw the ball. Yeah, I thought they ran the ball well enough, you know, less than three yards of carry. But they had 85 plays, Ocho. And so the thing is that when you run the ball, look, I want to throw it because we're having success throwing it. But I got to give you something to think about. I just can't let you guys pin the ears back and come hunt my quarterback. So I got to give you something else to think about other than this jumping off the. You know, jumping. Jumping a snap and coming to hunt the quarterback. But Chambers, he had to throw the ball that well. And we know Alabama. Excuse me, we know Oklahoma.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Brent Venables is the coach. We know him from. From Clemson when he had those defense. And we know he's a pressure guy. He loves to come hunt the quarterback. What have they done? They beat Georgia State. They beat Kentucky. This is Ole Miss. Be. Oh, Georgia State. Oh, Kentucky. Arkansas to Lane. They beat number Four. LSU at the time they beat Washington State. They had Georgia on the ropes and they let Georgia come back and beat them. They held on and they beat Oklahoma. Now they get South Carolina at home, they get the Citadel at home, they get Florida at home, who recently fired their coach, and they get the Egg bowl where they go play the Mississippi, the Mississippi State. So there's a good chance they run the table here, ocho, and finish 11:1.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Absolutely.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
They, they, there's a great chance, a great chance that they run the table and then see what happens.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Ah, that goddamn committee.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Committee's gonna have the work cut out for him this year. They're gonna be, they're gonna be a lot of teams that, that with one loss or two losses.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Well, listen, if, if you got common sense and you already know who, who the committee gonna pick, you already know who they're gonna pick. Regardless of you having one loss, sometimes even you could be undefeated depending on who you are, depending on the school.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Right?
Co-host 'Ocho'
But this is all about, you know it at the end of the day, you know what it's about.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah. Because I don't think, I don't think we have those schools. I don't think we're gonna have, we don't have a Boise State Ocho that was undefeated.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Right.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
That's 13 0. And although the conference wasn't the strongest, they were undefeated. We don't have that this year.
Co-host 'Ocho'
No.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
I don't know of the Big 12. Ash, who's in, in leading the Big 12. Are we go or was that SMU? SMU lost. But I don't know. I don't know if we're going to have a scenario like what we had last year. So with that being said.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Are, are.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
We going to get three, four schools from the sec? Are we going to get two, three schools from the Big Ten, right? Are we? I, I, because I don't see, I don't see a Boise estate out there. I don't see an undefeated team out there. Ocho. And you like, okay, this team is undefeated. They won their conference championship. We can't leave them at home, right. And take a, a two loss team. Now with that being said, it's more app. You see a two loss team in the, in the college football playoffs. So it's going to be, it's going to be interesting to committee. They're going to have their work cut out for them because I think they're going to be a lot of teams that have one loss. You know, Ole Miss could have one loss, not get to The SEC title game. You get a Georgia. Looks like Georgia and the sec, they're gonna, the SEC east. Seems like they're going to be okay, but you know, you might have a Vandy, a one lost Vandy. And don't get to the, and don't get to the SEC title game.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yes, that's, that's unfair. Yeah, that's unfair. But I understand what, listen, watching the committee since they, since they implemented the playoffs, watching the committee and what they do and the team that they pick, I know what the bottom line is. The end of the day, I need the team that are going to the playoffs, that are going to generate us the most money, what makes the most sense. That's it. That's, that's what it comes down to.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah, I think, I think there's a 12. Isn't it 12 teams this year, Ash? It's 12 this year, so. Oh yeah, it was 12 teams, so. Gonna be very interesting, Ocho. I, I, I, I can see a scenario where the SEC and the Big Ten dominate the, the, the, the slots. I really can see a scenario where it looks like, but we, we knew eventually it was going to come down that it's gonna be, it's gonna be basically two super conferences.
Co-host 'Ocho'
If you had to take your pick, even though it's really early, we only eight games in not to not only get through the playoffs but winning national championship. Who would be your pick this early if you was a betting man, I.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Still think Ohio State is the best team that I've seen. But I really, really, really like Texas.
Co-host 'Ocho'
A and M. Okay.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Watching Texas A and M, I think Bama has an excellent chance. I think Bama. Can you count, can you count Georgia.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Out.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Man, Like I said, I mean think about it. Ole Miss one loss. Vanderbilt one loss. Bama one loss. Georgia one loss. Got four teams with one loss in that conference.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
I think Oklahoma has one loss, maybe two now. Yeah, two. Oklahoma has two losses now and they still got, they still got Alabama on their schedule, so it's gonna be very, very interesting. The Texas Longhorn had a stunning comeback. Ocho over Mississippi State. They rallied for 17 points down in the fourth quarter. Send the game to overtime and win it in overtime. But however, Arch Manning was knocked out of the game after his helmet appeared to bounce his helm bounce off the ground at the end of the 13 yard run in the first play of overtime. They showed, they showed me a little something today.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
All right. Show me something.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Hey, he getting, he getting, he getting better and better. He's getting better and better. A little bit. A little bit more consistent.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yep, I'm trying to find the score.
Co-host 'Ocho'
Oh Arch.
Host Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Yeah, Texas.
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Episode Title: Brian Kelly is RUINING LSU + Has Ryan Williams FALLEN OFF? + HEISMAN HOPEFUL Diego Pavia joins NIGHTCAP + Theo Von talks Vanderbilt SWAG
Date: October 26, 2025
Host(s): Chad 'Ocho Cinco' Johnson (standing in for Shannon Sharpe initially), with recurring co-host Ocho
Special Guests: Diego Pavia, Theo Von
This episode of Nightcap, a segment of Club Shay Shay, takes a deep dive into the tumultuous situation at LSU under Brian Kelly’s leadership, dissects standout and struggling college football programs, evaluates Heisman hopefuls, and features a lively interview with Vanderbilt's rising QB Diego Pavia. The hosts break down the state of elite programs, NIL money pressures, and the shifting landscape of college football, all through their signature candid, playful banter.
Timestamps: 03:00–22:00
Immediate Reaction to LSU’s Loss:
Ongoing Disappointment:
Expectations at Elite Schools:
Player vs. Coach Responsibility:
Recruiting Realities:
Comparison to Past Success:
Timestamps: 22:30–41:00
Texas A&M & The Upper Echelons:
Heisman Hopefuls & The ‘Off’ Year:
Vanderbilt’s Rise with Diego Pavia:
South Carolina and Alabama Close Game Recap:
Timestamps: 31:45–33:59
Performance This Year:
Players vs. Reputation:
Timestamps: 44:29–59:53
Vanderbilt's Historic Run:
Personal Confidence & Origin:
Handling Stardom:
Team Culture:
Nashville Vibes & Theo Von
Timestamps: 69:14–71:45
How the CFP Committee Thinks:
Playoff Expansion:
For listeners who missed the episode:
Expect a fun, thoughtful, and highly opinionated hour diving deep into the shifting sands of power in college football, the unique pressures at blue blood programs, the vulnerability of even superstar players, and why everyone—even underdog Vandy—believes they could be next atop the mountain. Diego Pavia’s interview especially showcases the new swagger and self-awareness of NIL-era athletes.