Nightcap Hour 1: Broncos BEATDOWN Chad's Bengals + Tyreek Hill KNEE INJURY in Dolphins Win + Unc & Ocho have HEATED debate about AJ Browns PRODUCTION

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1: Broncos BEATDOWN Chad's Bengals + Tyreek Hill KNEE INJURY + Heated AJ Brown Debate

Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson
Date: September 30, 2025
Episode: Nightcap Hour 1
Main Guests: None
Key Themes: Broncos' dominant win over Bengals, Bengals' offensive struggles, Tyreek Hill's injury in Dolphins win, and a heated conversation about AJ Brown's production and wide receiver value.

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Episode Overview

In this episode of Nightcap Hour, Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson bring their signature banter and energy to a lively recap of NFL week four. The main focus is the Denver Broncos' decisive victory over Chad’s injury-plagued Cincinnati Bengals, the emotional and tactical fallout from Tyreek Hill’s apparent season-ending injury in a Miami Dolphins win, and a passionate debate about AJ Brown's complaints over his role on the Philadelphia Eagles. The hosts break down games, player performances, and what makes a "successful" receiver in the league—all with unfiltered honesty and plenty of humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Broncos Dominate Bengals – Game Breakdown

Segment: [05:00–20:00]

• Shannon revels in the Broncos' 28-3 win, highlighting Bo Nix’s performance ("Bo Nix looked like Peyton Manning, 29/42, 326 yards, two touchdowns, did throw a bad interception, but you know what? We can live with that." [06:08])
• Chad, visibly frustrated, points out the Bengals’ struggles with backup QB Browning and a decimated O-line: “We got pre snap penalties up the ass, up the yin yang. We can’t do nothing on offense.” [08:41]
• J.K. Dobbins becomes first Broncos 100-yard rusher in years (16 carries, 101 yards).
• Shannon mocks the Bengals’ low production: “They did not have 200 yards, ladies and gentlemen. 200.” [07:24]
• The Bengals' WR duo, minus Burrow, rendered ineffective, with T. Higgins posting just 32 yards. Shannon’s recurring joke: "If your team did not score a touchdown, I don't want to hear you say foot or ball for at least a week." [08:15]
• Chad alternates between defiance and disappointment: “At least my team…we got an excuse. Our quarterback is gone.” [11:35]
• Shannon goes in on Bengals fans and players: “Y’ all some sauce, y’ all some sloth, y’ all stir fry, y’ all cheeks, y’ all buns, y’ all booty, y’ all sack.” [17:02]

Notable Quotes

• Shannon: “Bronco Country. Stand up. 28–3 was the final score. They scored first and didn’t sniff the end zone again, man.” [07:24]
• Chad: “I tell you what, I’m gonna support my team through thick and thin…I guarantee you some changes are made this week.” [10:07, 19:09]
• Shannon: “Not enough.” (on how many points Bengals scored) [19:33, 19:39]

2. The Bronco/Bengal Fan Rivalry – Pride & Excuses

Segment: [08:39–25:00]

• The typical Sharp-Ochocinco back-and-forth escalates:
  • Shannon relishes in tormenting Chad: “If you can’t block, slide your feet.” [12:49]
  • Chad insists: “That offensive line has to give us a chance…You don’t have to hold.” [12:29]
  • Both revisit the roll of backup QBs: “I’m not sure if Browning will be the quarterback next week.” [29:10]
  • Shannon questions the wisdom of bringing Burrow back in a lost season: “Why would you bring it back in December when y’ all will be…lost 13 games?” [20:37]
• Chad’s faith: “I have faith the size of a mustard seed…We gonna be all right.” [20:55]
• Shannon’s verdict: “No, you’re not. No, you’re not.” [21:22]

3. Dolphins’ Win Tainted by Tyreek Hill Injury

Segment: [36:13–47:17]

• Shannon gives the recap: Dolphins beat Jets 27–21, but Tyreek Hill suffers a severe leg injury ("potential season-ending injury"), carted off with an air-cast. [36:17–38:17]
• Ocho reflects on the emotional toll for Hill: "I mean, like, God damn...I'm hoping it's not serious, being that they had to cart him off. And they plan to put an air cast. It's serious." [38:17]
• Game stats: Tua, 17/25, 177 yds, 2 TDs; Jets outgained Dolphins 400–300 yds but lost on turnovers and penalties (13 for 101 yds). [39:20]
• Discussion of another Jets injury (running back gets hurt) and broader comments on injuries on grass vs turf: "There were some injuries today on grass, but that's neither here nor there." [40:00]
• Shannon: "Bad teams find ways to lose. Good teams find ways to win." [41:05]

Notable Quotes

• Shannon: "Tyreek...he was carted off with an air-cast and waved to the crowd. I don’t really know what to make of his emotion. I don’t think you’ve ever seen that type of reaction.” [37:23]
• Chad: "I'm just hoping...get your range of motion back, get your flexibility back...come back stronger next year." [46:47]

4. The AJ Brown Debate: Stats vs. Winning

Segment: [47:17–64:03]

The Heart of the Episode

• Shannon and Chad go all-in on AJ Brown's reported dissatisfaction with his usage in the Eagles' offense.
• Shannon’s stance: Winning is what matters ("How do you go public and complain about catches when you’re winning?"). [51:19]
• Chad’s stance: Athletes are paid and judged by stats, not wins ("When it comes time for players to get paid, what do they base it off of? Your stats.") [58:27]
• They use examples from career wideouts (Hines Ward, Jerry Rice, Megatron) and their own careers to argue both sides.
• Shannon: “Receivers want to win, I’m not questioning that, but they really like to win their way. That means ten catches, 100 yards, and a touchdown.”
• Chad: “A coach going in front of the cameras…might be completely different behind closed doors. A.J. Brown just wants to contribute!” [47:49–49:01]

Heated & Fun Exchanges

• Chad: "I never seen a great blocking receiver get $30 million. Never." [49:55]
• Shannon: "All I’m saying...if you say winning is the most important thing, it should be the most important thing whether you get the ball or not." [51:19]
• Chad: "When you go to the table, what do they bring up? Your stats." [58:27]
• Chad & Shannon call each other out when their arguments contradict the previous stance, highlighting the real conflict between personal stats and team outcomes.

5. Coaching, Player Comfort, and Pete Carroll/Chip Kelly Riffs

Segment: [65:14–71:55]

• Shannon and Chad riff on RB Aston Genty's improved performance after reverting to an unconventional, upright stance in the backfield—despite Chip Kelly’s demands he change it.
• The consensus: Don’t mess with a player’s comfort or what made them successful.
• Shannon: “It’s all about control with [Chip Kelly]. That stance wasn’t bothering anybody. Let the man stand up so he could just scan the field.” [67:17]
• Chad: “Coach him, that’s it, let him do what he does.” [66:49]
• Practical advice for coaches about letting athletes operate within their own style for peak performance.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Shannon Sharpe on Bengals fans:
  "Y’ all some sauce, y’ all some sloth, y’ all stir fry, y’ all cheeks, y’ all buns, y’ all booty, y’ all sack." [17:02]
• Chad Johnson on the loss:
  "That's unacceptable. That's unacceptable." [19:35]
• Shannon Sharpe on the QB situation:
  "I tried to tell you this when we got the diagnosis with Joe Burrow, you said, brownie gonna be okay. I say, no, you're not. Cause he's not good. But you didn't want to listen to me." [21:26]
• Shannon Sharpe on AJ Brown:
  "Receivers, they want to win…but they really like to win their way. That means 10 catches, 100 yards, and a touchdown. At least that's what they figure." [49:35]
• Chad Johnson with blunt honesty:
  "I never seen a great blocking receiver get $30 million. Never." [49:55]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Broncos/Bengals Recap & Banter: [05:00–25:00]
• Dolphins/Jets recap & Tyreek Hill injury: [36:13–47:17]
• AJ Brown / Receiver Value Debate: [47:17–64:03]
• Player Comfort, Coaching Styles (Genty/Chip Kelly/Pete Carroll): [65:14–71:55]

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Episode Tone

The tenor vacillates from playful rivalry and relentless roast (between Broncos/Bengals fans and their hosts) to deeper, sincere analysis about player legacies, motivations, and careers. Shannon brings classic bravado and sarcasm, while Chad oscillates between vulnerability about his Bengals and combative pride as a former elite receiver.

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Summary for New Listeners

If you missed the episode, this Nightcap Hour is not just about scores—it’s a whirlwind of wit, fierce sports debate, and real talk from two NFL legends. The hosts dig into the nuances that go way beyond the box score: pride, pain, money, legacy, and the endless battle between team success and personal stats. All wrapped in authenticity, fierce loyalty, and the kind of conversation only real alphas—and real fans—can deliver.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Shannon Sharp. That guy. Do y' all know they only scored 13 points in the last two weeks? He's from Liberty City. Although he doesn't want to claim his team, they just got the brakes beat off him. Jamar Chase did not play tonight. Neither did T. Higgins, so it's understandable why they lost. He's from Liberty City. He's a Bingo Ring of Fame honoree. He's an All Pro Pro bowl player. That's Chad Ocho. Cinco Johnson, y'. All. Please make sure y' all hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Johnson is not allowed to talk unless he brought a. A note from home. I asked him before he joined chat. I said, you must bring a note from the third girl you ever dated that would allow you to speak tonight. So until he gets that, he is not allowed to talk. So unfortunately, you're gonna have to bear with us. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. And do us a favor, go subscribe to the Nightcalf podcast feed, wherever you get your podcast from. We'd like to thank each and every one of you for your support and your continued support. Because thanks to you, Nightcap has become the phenomena that it's become. Thank you, guys. Did y' all enjoy that game? We sure did. Make sure you check out Shaved by laportier. We do have it in stock now. If you cannot find Shade by laportier in a city or state near you, order it online. We'll ship it directly to your door. The best tasting premium BSVP cognac on the market. Don't take my word for it. Try it for yourself. I promise you, you will not be disappointed. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Please go. Follow my media company, Shay Shay Media, on all of its platforms and my clothing company, 84. With 84 being spelled out, that link is also pinned in the chat. Sean Alexander would join us shortly. But the game you just watched, and I'm sure you guys thoroughly enjoyed it as much as I did. Bo Nicks looked like Peyton Manning. 29, 42, 326 yards. Two touchdown. Did throw a bad interception, but you know what? We can live with that. J.K. dobbins. The Broncos had not had a 100 yard rusher in the last two and a half years. Guess what they got tonight.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow. Whoa.

[Chad Johnson]

Please.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm asking you, mister. Please. J.K. dobbins had 16 carries for 101 yards. Harvey had 14 carries for 58 yards. Marvin Mills had a. A 16 yard run that resulted in a touchdown. Let me give you Mr. Browning's numbers. The guy that's never lost on a Monday night chat. He was 14 of 25, 125 yards. They had 53 yards rushing. They did not have 200 yards, ladies and gentlemen. 200. T. Higgins was the leading receiver. He had three catches for a measly Peasley. 32 yards. 32 yards. Bronco Country. Stand up. 28. Three was the final score. They scored first and didn't sniff the end zone again, man. Did y' all see Trey Hendricks? A little. That sucker there, boy, that my. I had it. Ocho, you got that permission flip?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I got it. I got it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If your team did not score a touchdown, I don't want to hear you say foot or ball for at least a week. You say oblong oblique. You say. As a matter of fact, you could say pigskin, but you are not allowed to say foot or ball. Okay, Go ahead.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, listen, for one, if you're a Broncos fan in the chat, and this goes for all the people in the chat, all y' all laughing and giggling and. Ha ha, ha, ha. The fact that y' all are even happy about this winning a Joe Burles Bengals. You happy about that? Are you happy about a Joe Burles Bangles? And you win. We got a backup quarterback who. Who couldn't go, who couldn't do much tonight. He got an offensive line who got them holding the goddamn ass off. We got pre snap penalties up the ass, up the yin yang. We can't do nothing on offense. We got two of the bet. We got the best duo receivers in the goddamn NFL and we can't get him the goddamn ball. And then you come on here and you happy to. I can't say foot or. Or ball. And you're giggling. You got your robe on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm scared. I just wanted to know.

[Chad Johnson]

Chad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm scared. I'm scared. I'm calling 911. This man is threatening me. He's hostile, Chad. You see the hostility in his voice? I'm calling. I'm afraid. Hold on. I'm afraid.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, I'm just asking, how are you even happy about this? Listen, I knew what the outcome would be. You knew what the outcome would be. Anybody with common sense or any football knowledge knew what the outcome would be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that ain't what you said.

[Chad Johnson]

Wait a minute. I know it's not what I said. Sometime. You ever been in a relationship, Unc.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen to me, Chad. Y' all stay with me now. You ever been in a relationship and a woman tell you something that she really don't mean and you don't find out later until y' all break up? She didn't really mean it. I didn't really mean we was gonna win.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, she did. Hold on.

[Chad Johnson]

Matter of fact, you know what? Hold on. I ain't got time for this shit. Hold on. I'm gonna tell you one thing. I'm gonna tell. I tell you what. I tell you what. I'm Gonna support my team through thick and thin. I'm like. I'm not like these.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm glad you wearing that jersey. Cause that's the only time they saw it tonight. It's right on you. Hey, listen, I'm glad they got an opportunity to see it right now.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm trying to understand. Are you really happy with this victory? We have a Joe Burles. Bangles. We couldn't do nothing offensively.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, and Opie d him up. Did you see Riley Moss? Opie. Opie pooping on him. Riley Boss pooping on him.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Riley boss, number 21. The one that's opposite, he pooping on him. Hold on.

[Chad Johnson]

I could have swore I seen. I seen. I seen T. Higgins head tapping real quick. What you talking about? It was a holding call that got called back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Chad Johnson]

It was a holding call back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh. Oh. I just said opd. I mean, all I know is back in our time, we saw a guy that didn't have the same melanin as us trying to de up. It was curtains. Opie out there doing the do on him. Got it right on Mayberry.

[Chad Johnson]

It's all good. It's all good. Listen, I'm glad you happy, because that's about the only win y' all probably gonna get. Listen, at least. At least my team. At least we got an excuse. Our quarterback is gone. Our quarterback is gone. It ain't my.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What does that sound like to me?

[Chad Johnson]

We had so many pre snap penalties. We had so many penalties on defenses. Like, I mean, we couldn't do nothing. We couldn't do nothing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Couldn't do nothing. As a matter of fact, you couldn't do nothing. You shouldn't say nothing, and you ain't gonna be nothing. So I don't wanna hear nothing. You know what I'm saying? Don't make me raise up Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

It's all good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Gonna be trouble. Trouble.

[Chad Johnson]

It's all good. I tell you what. Listen, no disrespect to Browning, no disrespect to him, but we need to get a quarterback in now. We need to bring somebody in. Listen, we need to bring somebody in that's adequate.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How are you being like this?

[Chad Johnson]

I'm not. I'm just saying somebody that can run an offense and. And give us the opportunities we got. Balls selling all out of bounds. We can't. Gotta give our players a chance. If, you know, we down a quarterback, you have to make every goddamn play count. Every play has to count. The offensive line has to understand that you gotta give us a chance to win. You don't got to hold. You don't have to hold.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got the hole. If you can't block, slide your feet.

[Chad Johnson]

Use your hands like use your technique. I don't know what we doing. We had a whole offensive series and eliminated by three holding calls in a row.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Your technique is holding. What part about that didn't you get? Okay to make it. In the words of Cam Ward, your team.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what? Y' all some sauce, y' all some sloth, Y' all stir fry, y' all cheeks, y' all buns, y' all booty, y' all sack. I mean, what the hell? Hey, Chad, did I leave out anything? Is there any other derogatory term that I could use to describe them without saying actuality?

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, if anything, if anything, if you're a real football fan, there's no way you're happy about this win. There's no way. You're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're excited and you think this is good? No, no, not at all. No, no. It's like, it's like, it's like a lion being handicapped and having two legs and you being happy about defeating him. Nah, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, he's still a lion. All I would tell you. Hey, if they didn't see it. I whipped the lion, man. The lion only have no. He have no fangs and no claws. He's still a lion. All I know is this here chat. Is there any other words I could use to describe him? And in the words Of Cam Ward. They are. They sauce, they stir fry, they cheeks, they buns, they booty, they sacks. What else? Chat. What did I miss? Chat. Tell me what I missed. What's another word? Y' all ain't what the elephant left on the showground. You know where the elephant left. When the circus leave town. You know what's on the showground. Y' all ain't that.

[Chad Johnson]

I know you're not happy about it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's embarrassing.

[Chad Johnson]

I know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm embarrassed for you. You got out score. Oo. Do y' all know y' all have gotten out, scored 55 to 6 in the first half. You got beat 4810. I told you we were gonna put belt till. You know what? We gonna put books in you.

[Chad Johnson]

We don't have our quarterback. We don't have a quarterback.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You said that wasn't gonna be a problem. You said we got the best duo.

[Chad Johnson]

I. We do have the best duo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And the fact couldn't tell the best duo play for the Broncos. Sutton and Memes, you know, it might.

[Chad Johnson]

Look that way because y' all have somebody to give him the ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know. I know what y' all got. Y' all got foot in you.

[Chad Johnson]

It might look that way. But it's cool. It's cool. I guarantee. I guarantee you some. I guarantee you some changes are made this week. I guarantee. I guarantee that. I bet you somebody coming there to help.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't want. I know the Sam Cook song. A change is going to come, but it ain't coming soon enough for y'.

[Chad Johnson]

All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's over.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, listen, listen. Let me tell you how much I'm in football. Let me tell you how much in order for us. Because let me. Let me tell you something. Heads are gonna roll. People. People will lose their job in order for us to be able to at least compete. Compete. How many points did we score tonight?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not enough.

[Chad Johnson]

That's unacceptable. That's unacceptable.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not enough.

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on. Listen to me. Stay. Stay with me, right? Real quick to say that because we lose one of the better quarterbacks in the league that we can't even function. Cannot not not be real, not be good and efficient. Can't even function with the backup quarterback. Like, that's bad. That's bad. That. That's bad. That's bad. You got to be able to function, and you got two of the best on the outside. Oh, man, please, man. Please. Put me out there. Put me out. Put me at quarterback.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The receiver look like you out there today. They look like they were 47 had them locked up. Riley Moss had the right side locked down. And. And Sir Tan, I don't even know why y' all even bother going to war. Sir Tan, you already know. It's nothing.

[Chad Johnson]

Let me tell you something. Listen to. We all. We all. We need. All we need is somebody with the confidence to be able to want to pull the trigger and just not care what we need to do. Now Burrow not coming back to December.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If we don't turn over for y'.

[Chad Johnson]

All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why would you bring it back in December when y' all will be. I lost 13 games.

[Chad Johnson]

How you know?

[Shannon Sharpe]

How you know y' all ain't winning no games?

[Chad Johnson]

Relax. Relax.

[Shannon Sharpe]

First of all, your defense. Your defense was trash with Burrow. So what that got to do with anything?

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, let me. Let me tell you something. I believe in faith. I have faith the size of a mustard seed. In. In the book of. In the. In. In the New Testament. In the New Testament, it say in Jobs, verse 8, chapter 8, verse 5. Ye who have little faith do not cometh and become anything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all should have no faith.

[Chad Johnson]

No, we gonna be all right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, you're not. No, you're not.

[Chad Johnson]

A quarterback will be in that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I tried to tell you this when we got the diagnosis with Joe Burrow. You said, brownie gonna be okay. I say, no, you're not. Cause he's not good. But you didn't want to listen to me. Oh, Shea don't know what he's talking about. And you got the chat to side with you. So now I get to sit on. I get to sit here for the entire night. My team. My team.

[Chad Johnson]

You feel good about that? But hold on. Your team lost last night, and y' all had every. Y' all had every starter. You had your quarterback. I didn't have my quarterback. At least I didn't have my quarterback, so I don't feel that bad about losing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Talking about something that happened 24 hours ago. I said the same thing that happened to the Ravens will befall your team tonight. I tried to tell you. I said, oh, don't rub it in. I don't want to hear, oh, oh, do me a favor. I don't want to hear you say, but I said, oo, don't do that now, cuz. You know you got. Hey, don't worry about me. We got this now. Look at you. You talking about yesterday. I talk about today.

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Your team was at full strength. My team is handicapped. We don't have a quarterback. So Listen, the fact that you even happy about this win, that let. That. That lets me know you was nervous in the first place, because if it was me, I'd be like, you know what y' all ain't had. Quarterback. I'mma give you some grace.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'mma give you some grace.

[Chad Johnson]

Y' all went at race.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Grace is a young lady's name. Grace is mentioned in the Bible. Nothing said that about Shannon. I ain't in there. I will put it on you. So with that being said, Ocho. Oh, so you like. How you like my chat? Y' all like my digs? Y' all like my robe? Look at my robe. I got a roll.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, Chad. Hey, Chad. How y' all like my. I like. Y' all like my old school jersey. My 8. They the leaping tiger.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Old school. Hey, you know, I brought over there.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, this the best receiver in the game right here. This is the best.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I couldn't tell. I couldn't tell.

[Chad Johnson]

Best receiver in the game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Opie. Opie Taylor. Glued him down.

[Chad Johnson]

Glued down. Oh, Uno. Yeah, man. Listen, man, you know when. If you. If the quarterback catch it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, he. He had five catches for 23 yards. That's not even five yards of catch. J.K. dobbins averaged five yards of rush. Hey, as a matter of fact, he averaged. He averaged 6 yards a carry. 6.4.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, there's no way you happy. There's no way you happy about this win. And anybody in the chat. Anybody in the chat if. If you're a Broncos fan, you happy about this win, too.

[Colin Coward]

Happy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Elated. Static.

[Chad Johnson]

That's the shame on y'. All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. We can't cheer loud enough.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, why would you be happy about a team that's beat up with no quarterback? That don't make no sense. That's like me. That's like me going. That's like me going to play against high school kids. And I. And I. I bomb everybody. I mean, hello.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Maybe when you was in the league, you ain't bombing nobody. Sit down. And you should have what you should have did. They should have just forfeited the game. Say they had. You know what? Say they had engine trouble, the plane, and not even come. Why y' all come this far west to put on that type of performance? You know they gonna flex y'. All. Y' all was supposed to have a lot of. A lot of Monday night games. They gonna. They gonna flex y' all Sunday night games. Y' all getting flexed.

[Chad Johnson]

Nah, they gonna keep them because people.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, they not.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, I'm telling you, Right now, a new quarterback is gonna be in there because we have to be. Listen, it's one thing to have Joe Burrow go down, okay?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boom.

[Chad Johnson]

You have to have your backup quarterback for the offense not to be run, not to be able to be run in any type of efficient manner. They have holding call after holding call, not be able to put the ball. Get the ball to two of the better receiving duos in the league. I mean, like, come on, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oo.

[Chad Johnson]

Come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Your defense is bad. Y' all had holding calls. That offensive line hasn't been good since Joe Burrow been there. A lot of the reason Joe Burrow is hurt is because of that offensive line. So I'm trying to figure out the quarterback that y' all can bring in that's going to be functional and can be operational behind one of the worst offensive lines in football. I don't care. The receivers. You have, as a matter of fact, bring Jerry Rice back in his prime, bring Randy Moss in his prime with that offensive line and that quarterback, they're going to look like just like what those guys look tonight.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, that's the same offensive line that Joe Burrow had when Jamar Chase had the Triple Crown last year, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

And what. And tell me, the playoffs. How many playoff games did y' all win?

[Chad Johnson]

We're not talking about. We're not talking about playoff game. We talking about. We talking about bringing the quarterback in that can be efficient so we can at least compete in these games.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you. So in other words, you want to compete? As long as you lose, you don't mind losing as long as you're competing, we gotta compete.

[Chad Johnson]

You call that y' all competing tonight? Hold on. You call that competing?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep. That's the best y' all can do.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, my God.

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Wait, wait. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Yeah, come. Yeah. They talk about my ban. Talk about my banks. We gonna be all right, Chad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all wanna. Y' all want to see something? You see a little couple of photos? Favorite up back in the day?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, let's talk. Hey, hey. Let's talk about. Hey, let's talk about my Dolphins, though. Let's talk about my Dolphins.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, we talking about this game. We're gonna talk about the Dolphins in a minute. Yeah, hold on, hold on. This man claiming a team here.

[Chad Johnson]

That.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He don't want to claim. The Patriots. He don't want to. Now he want to move on.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, well, we know what happened let's talk about my Dolphins, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on, Ocho. Let's finish. Let's wrap up this game.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, we. We wrapped it up already. Y' all won. Let's talk about them Dolphins.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh. Oh, this. This. These the gloves. Hey, I don't know if you can see this, but these the gloves that I wore when I broke the tight end touchdown record. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it right here. Hey, Chad, you know, look at it.

[Chad Johnson]

Why don't look like Newmans. Them Newmans and them. Them Nikes. Oh, that's Reebok right now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They didn't have a. They didn't have a deal with the. With Nike at the time. So Nike wasn't the official glove. So they had NFL equipment on them.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I don't matter what. What it was.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I could have some work. Little construction gloves on. I can grab it.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But the Broncos dominate the cat. The Cincinnati Bengals by the score of 28 to 3. The game really wasn't that close. Chat. I know if you guys watch this game, I know you was very disappointed in the performance those Bengals put on display. That's two weeks in a row. They've been some butt cheeks. Booty. Any of the other things that you want to say. Weak sauce. You know what I'm saying? And the words of my good friend Cam Ward, they were. But the Broncos moved to 2 and 2, and the Bengals are now 2 and 2, about to be 2 and 3 when the Lions put. Built the. You know what? Next week, I'm gonna be.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm gonna be at that game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It don't matter.

[Chad Johnson]

Let me tell you something. I'm gonna be at that game. I'm gonna get a team of pep talk. I'm gonna be at that game, and I'm getting a pep talk. I'm not. Listen, I'm not. I'm not sure if Browning will be the quarterback next week. I'm not. I'm just saying for us. For us to be able to compete. Just compete. Be able to run the offense, you know, put together a string of drives. Just stuff like. Just something positive. There's nothing to build off. It is anything. There's nothing good to take away from this game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you like my role? I can get you one.

[Chad Johnson]

Who?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can get you a roll.

[Chad Johnson]

No, that's ugly. I don't like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all orange. You do realize the Bengals are orange also, right?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah. But not that. Not that orange.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'll tell you what y' all love is not either. Winning. Not winning.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, it's all good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you this. Yeah. Would you like Russell Wilson? Should they trade for Russell?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Russell or James? Either one. Russell or Jameis. You know, I, I, the way, the way James sling that thing and don't care. He down James Winston, he down there somewhere.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Just let it go, Ocho. Hold on. Let me see. Let me look at these stats. Oh, my gosh.

[Chad Johnson]

What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, my goodness. Horrible. Y' all was 2 of 11 on third down. Y' all ran 43 plays.

[Chad Johnson]

See what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

43. Y' all had less than 160 yards of total offense. Y' all had 10 total drives.

[Colin Coward]

10.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, 10. Now you see what I mean? You practice, you get to work at 9 o' clock in the morning on Wednesday, you leave work after practice, go through meetings, watch film. Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Saturday you got walk through. Saturday, you get on the plane, fly way to Mile High, and you put up 160 yards of offense. After working all week long, you mean.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on, let me get this straight. I'll make sure you heard you straight. You say y' all practice.

[Chad Johnson]

Not. Yeah, Wednesday. Oh, we get, we get to the stadium, nine o' clock in the morning.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all did that in practice. I think y' all could have did that without practicing.

[Chad Johnson]

You see what I mean? That's what I'm. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. That's, that's why that one change needs to be made. One change, one chain can do wonders.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Move the Bengals out of Cincinnati. We good.

[Chad Johnson]

We good. We good. Talking about them Dolphins, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I feel we fit to get to the Dolphins. That's not your team, though.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, we, We've been on. We've been on one game for the past 30 minutes. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't say foot or ball. And I told you, you cannot say game.

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[Chad Johnson]

All right, let's talk about the other pigskin game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. I told you, can't say game. Oh, the Miami Dolphins win, but they lost in winning 27 to 21 over the New York Jets. They lost Tyreek Hill to what looks like a potential season ending injury. But they did win the game by the score of 27, 21. They move, they get off the snide. Now they're one and three.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tua. 17 of 25, 177 yards, two touchdowns to Darren Waller.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Devon HN had 20 carries, 99 yards. He had a rush touchdown. Justin Fields played well, but he turned the ball over. 20 of 27, 226 yards, one touchdowns. They ran the ball all for almost 200 yards, but they, they were undone by three very costly fumbles. And that was the difference in the ball game. They're getting ready to go in for a touchdown and the DB makes a great punch out and they boom.

[Chad Johnson]

That was Minka. Minka did that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Oo we're talking about. We'll get back to this game. Tyreek. Yeah, he landed in his leg bent awkwardly after being t tackled by Malachi Moore along the sideline. He was carted off with an air cast and waved to the crowd. I mean, I, I don't really know what to make of his emotion. Maybe he was not wanted. I've never seen anybody seem to be happy that they were injured. I don't, I don't want to read too much into it, but I, I, I think for me, Ocho, I don't, I think, I don't think you've ever seen that type of reaction going off the field. But let's just in thought, listen, hopefully everything, because it's being reported. Ocho, he went, he went to the hospital. Yeah. So I don't know anything. I haven't got any reports. I don't Know if you know anything, you're down there if you've heard anything. But it doesn't. It didn't look good.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, listen, as far as his reaction goes, that's one. That's one of those goddamn. If it's not one thing or another. And of course, because the cameras. Because everyone can see you, you have to put on that face, that smile, obviously, because, I mean, like, God damn. The first thing he says when he got on the car, you could see his expression. He was like, God damn. And he just. He got. He got that smile on his face, like, you know, I'm going through this. I'm going through that. You know, I'm trying to get my season turned around. And then here we go with this bull drive. Happened to me. I mean, it's unfortunate. And I wish my dog. I wish my dog well. I'm hoping it's not serious, being that they had to cart him off. And they plan to put an air cast. It got. It's serious.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they don't. They don't. They don't air cast for no reason.

[Chad Johnson]

Matter of fact, go ahead.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go ahead, finish up.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm for the Texan.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The jets had 23. First down. The Dolphins had 19. Third down, efficiency. The jets was 4 of 9. Dolphins was 4 of 12. The jets had 400 yards of offense. Dolphins had 300 yards of offense. The jets had 13 penalties for 101 yards. And they had three turnovers. That's how they lost the game.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, they took the turnover. What's. I think. You know who else I think heard they need to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, the jets running back.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. He ran the darkness. He ran right into the back of his own guy. And then the guy came and. And.

[Chad Johnson]

And.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I. I hate. I hate when players do that. Huh? Because I'm not even gonna mention what we talked about last night when I talk about playing on grass. And as you see, there were some injuries today on grass, but that's neither here nor there. But God damn, man. All right. I text Tyreek. I'm waiting on the text back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it's just the jets are going to have to be up. Just going to need to get out of their way. Chat. They keep beating themselves. They fumble the ball. They had a great situation, and then they fumbled the ball and they gave. Who? They play Pittsburgh. They had Pittsburgh on the rope and they fumbled the ball and. And. And Pittsburgh gets momentum. They had. They're going in for a touchdown to take the lead. They punch that out. Justin Fields Fumble, they lose that the other guy fumbled and they lose that. You. Bad teams find ways to lose. Good teams find ways to win. This is. Right now they're gonna need, they need to get out of their own way. Justin Fields play, he threw the ball really well, have a heck of a run. How he got out of there and turned that into a 43 yard touchdown, I don't know. But only a handful of guys have ever been in the league that's been able to do that. And he just so happens to be one of them. They ran the ball 28 rushes, 197 yards. Justin Fields 20 of 27, 226 yards, but three turnovers and 10 plus penalties. That's how you lose the ball game. That's how they lost the game that you, you gotta, you gotta be better than that, Ojo. I mean, I, I really don't know what to say. I feel bad for Ag, but guys gotta take. Gotta take care of the football. You gotta find a way, you got to win a game to get. To get your confidence back. Because right now it's, it's. We're close and you know, I'm sure, hey guys, we right there. We. We're close and they are very. But the problem that you're having is that you're not good enough to overcome the mistakes that you're making. You're not good enough to overcome the penalties that you're creating. So when you turn the ball over and you have, and you have mistakes as far as pre snap and post snap penalties, they're not good enough to overcome that. As a matter of fact, there isn't a team good enough to overcome the mistakes that the jets. The jets had tonight and the, the penalties. There's no team constructed that's good enough to overcome that.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you pay, you pay. You pay double for them goddamn turnovers now. Hey, Un, I got a question.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And everybody in the chat that was laughing while y' all was. He, he and ha ha ha. Because my bangles lost. Minus Joe Burrow. And yes, we couldn't move the ball. We weren't efficient off of the line. Looked like they, they were inept. But who. Hey, all you Bronco fans in the chat, who y' all play next week? Who y' all play? Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Eagles. The who we talk about this week. We get 24 hours to celebrate. Who y' all play next week we play the Lions.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm gonna be at the game that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all at winning.

[Chad Johnson]

I tell you what, y' all ain't Winning either. I bet that. So we both gonna be on the show and neither one that's gonna be able to say foot or ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You all. You ain't gonna bet nothing.

[Chad Johnson]

Who won't bet?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, I. What You. What you want to do? Throw it on the floor? I'll pick it up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nope.

[Chad Johnson]

Nope. Bet some.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, that Bronco look good tonight.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, here you go. You think they look good because you're playing against a depleted Bengals team.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm playing against a Bengals team.

[Chad Johnson]

No, you're playing against a depleted, a injury stricken Bengals team. If this. How about you judge your Broncos off how they look against a team like the Eagles? That do that. Do that. That's when you judge them. Judge them off next week game. Judge them off next week game. We'll see.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What's the hostility for?

[Chad Johnson]

Make sure you keep the same energy. Make sure. Keep the same energy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm your partner.

[Chad Johnson]

I know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I. I know what you're just saying. I mean, you're hostile.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm not hostile. I'm. I'm just saying my voice. My voice a little raspy. My voice a little raspy, but I'm just saying. Y'. All. Y' all all excited. Oh, we. We beat the Bengals 28 to 3. And I mean, that ain't nothing to be proud of. That ain't to be proud of nothing about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, y' all only scored 13 points in the last two games. Y' all scored 13 points more than me, Ash and Jordan.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. Okay, man. All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I sure hope it's gonna get better for y'. All. Tyreek has 11, 363 receiver yards since entering the NFL in 2017. That's the most in the league over that time frame. He also has 898, 19 catches, fourth most in the league over since 2017 behind Devonte Adams, 886, Travis Kelsey, 880 and Stefan Diggs, 824. His 83 touchdown catches are the third most in the NFL over that timeframe. Devonte has 102. Mike Evans has 91 1. Here's the thing, Ocho. Yeah. You can't trade him now. You stuck with him. He own your. He on your team for the rest of the season, and he's not going to. There's a great chance. We don't know, but I'm just saying, if you were thinking about trading, you can't. Second of all, he's on your team, and he's probably not going to be able to be any benefit to you because that looked really really serious. And it doesn't look like he's going to play anymore this year. So now.

[Chad Johnson]

All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All that being said, there's a greater chance this offseason. I mean, everything's ain't gonna have to check out. Oh, you know how that is. Because now the value is not what it once was. He's over 30 and he's coming off a significant injury. There is value there, but not the value that he had before he suffered this injury.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So now what are the Dolphins going to do?

[Chad Johnson]

I'm not. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. To me, it's all based on rehab, treatment and seeing how you feel when you get back. We've seen a few players come back from injuries. We don't know what the injury is yet to date. But knowing Tyreek, knowing the way he works behind closed doors that most people don't get a chance to see, that he works his ass off. So he's going to work his tail off to be able to get back out there and get back to. To full. Full tilt. Yeah, as far as speed goes, you ain't losing no speed.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he got that. He got. He got that to play with that.

[Chad Johnson]

That ain't going nowhere. So I'm just hoping, you know, you get your range of motion back, get your flexibility back, you know, get those tendons and whatever. I still don't know what happened, but just get all that stuff around the area that is. Or get everything around that area strengthened and come back stronger next year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm not.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm. I'm not sure the cap hit is huge. I'm not sure it would be with the Dolphins, but wherever it is, you gonna handle your business.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho. AJ Brown's cryptic tweet. Head coach Nick Sirianna responded today to his star receiver. Obviously, AJ Is very important to this football team. I know he wants to contribute. I know he wants to contribute and do things he's capable of doing. He wants to contribute into these wins and is. And he's had a couple of games where he hasn't been able to. To be a different for a different reason. But I question nothing about his desire to play great football, his desire to be a great teammate, his desire to be here. Ocho, what do you what he had to say?

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, I like it. It's cool. I mean, a coach going in front of. Going in front of the cameras, going in front of the media and saying the things he has to say, he has to say those things now. The conversation, I think he probably had with AJ Might be completely different. Might be completely different because that's the way a coach and a player talk to each other. I'm sure he's. He knows the frustration. A.J. brown has said this countless times, over and over and over again. He said it last year. He said it last year. He said it in the media. I think it was last week or maybe week before last. Before he had the game he had last week. It's constantly the same thing. And I think a lot of people are saying, oh, he's a diva. Oh, he's selfish. No, he's not. He wants to win. When it comes to winning, obviously you want to be a part of that. It's like doing a school project. It's like doing a group project in school and everybody else do the work, and you sit on the back end, everybody getting award, and then you like, well, hell, I didn't get to help. I feel like I ain't doing nothing. He just wants to be a part and contribute to the wins that they're having. Being able to contribute to the win.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He contributed. He blocked and doing a great job. That's a part of it. O.J. i mean, sometimes. Look, I understand. Look, we all. When we say we want to, you know, we want to. We. We want to contribute. Receivers, won't. They want to win. I'm not questioning whether or not a receiver wants to win, but they really like to win their way. That means 10 catches, 100 yards, and a touchdown. At least that's what they figure. Contributing blocking is not a necessary. Blocking is not really a part where they feel they're contributing. They measured their worth in catches and yards and touchdowns.

[Chad Johnson]

And I get it. I'm glad you said that. They measure their worth. How do you measure the value when it's time to get paid of a good receiver? By his what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

All that comes into play. Yes. Catching touchdowns, but blocking. Blocking is also a part of that.

[Chad Johnson]

I never seen a great blocking receiver get $30 million. Never.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What? They weren't back there back then. But Jerry Rice. Jerry Rice.

[Chad Johnson]

Block. Oh, come on, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just saying. Ocho, we gotta stop this now. Look, I understand that we like these guys. We. Let's call it what it is. A.J. brown is upset that he's not. He sees Puka Nakua. He sees all these other receivers putting the numbers.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So winning is not the most important thing. His stats are.

[Chad Johnson]

Of course they are, because that's how they value. That's how they judge us. That's how they Value. What's the first thing when you talk about numbers? That's the first thing we only talk about when we talk about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you a question.

[Chad Johnson]

So about top five. What's the first thing we do? We bring up the numbers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you a question. Talk to me. Did. Did you ever. Did you ever hear Hines Ward complain?

[Chad Johnson]

He didn't have to. They got him the ball. Go ahead. Next.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He blocked. People thought they changed the rule. They got. They got a rule in for Hines Ward and Quan Bowden. Guys blocked. I oo. I get it. Because. So this notion that he cares more about winning, he doesn't. He cares about his stats.

[Chad Johnson]

So unk. You didn't care about your stats. Is that what he doing?

[Shannon Sharpe]

How do you. How do you go public and complain about catches when you win it, if you lose it? He has a valid argument. Because if you give me the ball, we would not be in this situation. You're winning. You're winning, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, all right. You're right. All right. You win.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're winning. Okay, so let me ask you a question. Let me ask you. I give you a prime example.

[Chad Johnson]

Come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let's just say, for the sake of argument, Jalen Hurst. Jalen hurts winning. He said, man, but damn, I'm throwing for 112 yards. But he see all these other guys throwing for 300, 400 yards, and he said, man, I. I need to throw the ball more. What would you say then? Wait, they measure quarterback by his numbers. So if Jalen Hurst throw it for 112, 130, they winning. And he says, man, I want to throw the ball. I mean, I wish I could throw the ball like Mahomes. I wish I could throw the ball like Josh Allen. I wish I could put the ball in the air like some of these other quarterbacks. What would you say then?

[Chad Johnson]

Stats is everything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just outro.

[Chad Johnson]

I. I love. I love how you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You.

[Chad Johnson]

You switch things up. Stats is everything. And you know that There's a reason why he's fussing. You know that. Because you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know why.

[Chad Johnson]

I know why. When it comes to this dirty business, you're right. You know that There's a reason why he's. There's a reason why every receiver, every number one acts a fool when it comes to their numbers again and getting catches because they base our value on production. You know that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you a question. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, let's just say he had Puka Nakua's numbers, but they were one in three.

[Chad Johnson]

That's a hypothetical. It's a hypothetical. It makes no sense.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see what you. I see. I got it.

[Chad Johnson]

Chad. Hold on. Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. When you go to the table.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He already got paid.

[Chad Johnson]

Let me. Let me finish.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

He got paid already, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

So you know what they're gonna tell him? Well, A.J. you know what? Your production doesn't match the salary you're making. So people need you to take a pay cut. Because when it comes to making 30 million a year, they don't measure it by wins and losses. It's based on the goddamn numbers and your production, not no damn blocking. Oh, you block really well. We gonna pay you 30.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you this. If they are the Eagles the only team that paid receivers, so you don't think he could go anywhere else? So if his numbers are not good there, what are other teams looking at him? They say AJ still, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

I don't know. I don't know. You're going from. You're going. We talk about one scenario. We talk about one scenario.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I'm saying. You're trying to say the only important to him is his stats. I thought winning. When he came there, he said he wanted to be a part of a.

[Chad Johnson]

He already won.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He won already.

[Chad Johnson]

Give me some goddamn numbers. He had to go through this last year and guess what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got paid. He got paid. He got paid. He got paid. I can see if he was on that first contract. He got paid. Oh, what did he play to play?

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on. I got paid. So you know what? I'm good. One catch for seven yards in a four quarter game is enough for a 30.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He had two.

[Chad Johnson]

That's okay. That's okay. That's okay. I'm just asking you, is that okay by your standards, Is that okay by your hall of fame?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He could have called 12 for a buck 50 and lost. Would that be okay by your standards? Is that okay by your. I'm just asking.

[Chad Johnson]

You know what? It's okay, it's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, no, no. I feel let you go like this. So if he catches 12 for a buck 50 and they lose, that's okay?

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, let me say something. He didn't catch 12, football 50 and they lost. He caught two for seven and they won.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They won. So what's he complaining about? I thought the most important thing was winning.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, you're right. You know what? You're right. It is right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I'm asking, is it. Is it the win or his numbers?

[Chad Johnson]

I mean you, you you would like to be able to contribute? You would like to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just asking, is it, is it winning or the numbers.

[Chad Johnson]

The numbers and winning.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. Well, he's winning. He's winning. He's winning. Ocho. All right, I remember.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I remember the time.

[Chad Johnson]

It's so funny. Anytime we talk about. Anytime we talk about receivers, quarterbacks, the first thing we bring up is numbers. The only thing we bring up is numbers. Now all of a sudden, catching two goddamn two passes for seven yards is okay because you win it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, we don't break up. Hold on. All right, we mentioned Jayla Hurst. We don't mention no numbers. We mentioned winners. Everybody says he should be a top quarterback. No, no, no.

[Chad Johnson]

When we talk about winners, we talk about individuals. And the only way we talk about those winners and individuals is by mentioning their numbers and why they're winning.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, which. And Jalen Hurst numbers. People say Jalen Hurst should be thought of as a top five quarterback because he's a winner. He doesn't have top five quarter back numbers, but he wins. So now I'm trying to figure out, is it winning or is it numbers? I'm just curious on y'.

[Chad Johnson]

All. Hey, hey, boy, you. Hey, you forgot, boy. Hey, boy, you forgot.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was the number one guy for a while. For a while in Denver. And yeah, I like to catch, but at the end of the day, if I said I wanted to win and I've caught most of the time when I had big games, I can honestly say most of the times when I had big games, we won. But there are times that I didn't have a great game. As far as stats, why isn't we won? How am I going to go publicly go public and complain when we're winning? How.

[Chad Johnson]

Right, that's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's all I'm saying. Look, I understand his frustration.

[Chad Johnson]

I do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because. Yes, I do. Because you get out there and you practice all week long and they tell you they gonna get you the ball and then come game time, it don't happen. I get it. I've been there. Hey, but it's hard. It's just. It's just. It's just hard when you're winning to convince people and convince the media that winning is the most important thing. Because it sounds like your numbers are the most important thing. I'm just saying how it comes off.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, I got. I got a question.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go ahead.

[Chad Johnson]

When it comes time for players to get paid, what do they base it off of?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're what, Amon Ross a. Brown.

[Chad Johnson]

Whether he's gotten paid or not. When it's time for a player to get paid, what do they base it off? When you go to the table, what do they bring up? Your what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Your stats.

[Chad Johnson]

All right, tags close. Let me get something to drink.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They bring up your stats, but what about winning? Tell me the guy that got paid at top receiver money and they not winning. What receiver get making top money? Tell me the receivers that's making top money that didn't make that, that's. That didn't make playoffs. Has Jeddah ever made the playoffs? Has CD ever made the playoffs? Hey, has Chase. I'm just asking. Oh, you keep saying that.

[Chad Johnson]

That don't make no. That don't make no sense. They not getting paid because they made the playoffs. Don't do that. If they won, if they didn't make the playoffs, they would get paid anyway.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you were so you best receiving in the league. So let me get this straight. So you'd rather have stats than lose than have lesser stats than.

[Chad Johnson]

We trying to talk about losing and winning. We talk about what I said because.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They'Re winning and he doesn't have the stats. He could have stats and lose like he was losing in Tennessee.

[Chad Johnson]

That's this. You. You talk about two totally different things.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I'm not.

[Chad Johnson]

I said what do they base it off of when it's time to get paid?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just asking you a simple question.

[Chad Johnson]

Numbers in production, that's what they do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, I'm just asking so you can.

[Chad Johnson]

Hypotheticals that had nothing to do with anything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just asking you a question. So how many times I give you a prime example. Here's a guy that put up stats and they didn't win and he didn't come. Megatron. How many times do you hear Megatron complain about the ball?

[Chad Johnson]

Who else were they gonna throw it to?

[Shannon Sharpe]

See, there you go. You see? I doubt you changed it.

[Chad Johnson]

Who else were they gonna throw it to? They didn't have a choice. Stafford didn't have a choice but to throw it to him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see, you see how you flip it up, Ocho? Hey, he didn't win. He had crazy stats. Crazy stats. 1964 yards in a 16 game season for what? Ask him, why did he leave early as Barry Sanders? Why did he retire early? All those rush yards, all those receiving yards. He said, man, I just got tired of losing.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you think that's what it was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because I was going back? If it's a lot, if it's a lie, they told it.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm I could tell you why Calvin wanted to go. I can tell you that. It ain't got to do with no goddamn losing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, well, if it's a lie, he told it.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, that was a great conversation.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I hope you don't think he gonna go out there and turn it out against old Satan. P.S. hey, you have P.S.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, listen, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. Hey, Chat, Chat, stay with me real quick. Hey, what I wouldn't be surprised is obviously, you know, the player's upset.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Oh, they're gonna try to get in.

[Chad Johnson]

Rock inside that building. The first thing they don't want to do, and I guarantee you and I, I bet the house on it. The first play is going to him. I don't know what it's going to be. It could be something quick.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm doubling him.

[Chad Johnson]

It's going straight to him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They finished, you know. Hey, you know what you're supposed to do? A guy like that, you double him. You take him away early. Because then he go like, man, here we go.

[Chad Johnson]

You playing the Philadelphia Eagles. Double who? You better dra. You better drop nine in the box and stop playing. You better drop nine in the box.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We good. Hey, what we'll do, we'll take P Square. We take P Square, you put him home. Whoever. He ain't catching nothing.

[Chad Johnson]

Matt, man, listen. Hey, Pastor T. Get up there playing with. Playing with 11. 11 if he want to. He get up there playing when he left. When he want to. He get. Bench press out the way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Excuse. Hey, hey, hey. That. Hey, hey, them hands. Hey, excuse me, karate expert.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen and listen. Hey, hey, hey. P2 got lucky tonight. PS2 got lucky tonight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

For what?

[Chad Johnson]

Didn't have a quarterback.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You had a quarterback last year. You had a quarterback last year.

[Chad Johnson]

And we beat y', all, didn't we?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yo, but what did Chase do?

[Chad Johnson]

We beat y', all, didn't we?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh. Oh, see? Oh, it's about winning. Chat, did you hear what he just said?

[Chad Johnson]

We beat y', all, didn't we?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now, Chat, did you hear what he just said?

[Chad Johnson]

Did we not beat y'?

[Shannon Sharpe]

All? Chat, did you hear what he just said? Now, it's about winning. It's not about stats.

[Chad Johnson]

You, stats. You talk about the trooper crown winner. You talk about. Hey, hold on. You talk about the Triple Crown winner, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He just told me, Chad. What he just tell me?

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on. That we. We were talking about a specific situation.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. I say PS Square, shut him down. You said we won the game.

[Chad Johnson]

Don't nobody, man, nobody messed up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go Back and look at Chase numbers in that game. Give up. Satan didn't give up 200 yards last year.

[Chad Johnson]

Look up. Look up. Higgins numbers in that game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not what he. Oh, he went against Moss, who won the game. Y' all won. But I thought.

[Chad Johnson]

I thought you told me the point was to win, so we won. Stats shouldn't matter, right? Ain't that what you said?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Chad, this man just talk.

[Chad Johnson]

Make up your mind.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you know what y' all do. Hey, you know what? Come up out of this. I'm getting hot now. Huh?

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey, I got my. I got my AC off.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm hot, man. I got my AC on and it's still hot. I might have to have me another road made. Got so tight in my shoulders I could barely turn around. Damn, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

What's up?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You want one of these T shirts? I get you a Bronco T shirt. See, we should have bet. We should have bet. The loser would have had to wear. The loser would have had to wear the Bron, the other team's gear.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, no, I can't do that. That's disrespectful. That. Disrespectful for all the years and hard work and the blood, sweat and tears and going to war with my teammates, even putting on another. Another team jersey like that. Nah, I can't do that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man. Whatever. Despite the Raiders losing to the Bears 2524 Aston, Genty had his best game. After bringing back his iconic Mike Myers stance, it seems his head coach, Pete Carroll, loved it. Since House High School, Genty had stood straight up with his hands by his side in the backfield before the snap. However, during the Raiders offseason, the coaching staff demanded Genti switch to a traditional running back stance. Chip Kelly being the main advocate for Genti to change it. Bent knee game. During his first three games, Genty struggled to get going. He averaged 3.1 yards of carry on 47 carries. Since changing back to that stance Yesterday, he recorded 155 total yards, 138 of those on the ground, three touchdowns, two receiving, one rushing. After the game, Genti said, that's how I naturally feel good standing in the backfield. So that's how I'm going to play. Oh, we've heard very. A lot of players that's played on the Jip Kelly in the NFL like, hey, it's like his way. I'm trying to figure out why. What does that stance have to do with your coaching style? It's all about control with him. It's all about Control with him. That man's been standing like there. It's kind of like a quarterback. Ocho, that's taken. And Johnny talked about it, say he only took about six snaps his whole career prior to getting to the NFL under center. This man has been playing like this. You took him as a top 10 pick in the draft and now you get him and now you want to change everything about him. Why?

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, the whole point of you drafting that high is based on everything he does, not the production. But why change what makes him comfortable? That's like you drafting receiver very high and trying to change him on how he stands routes. Like, what are we doing? Coach him. That's it. Let him do what he does. He's not giving you any indication in which way he's going by standing straight up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

None.

[Chad Johnson]

That's what he like. That's his style.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And plus, Ocho the man Ocho, you put him in a conventional stand, how the hell he gonna see? You might as well put him in the down stance. He already five, six. Hell, you put him in, now he five, two.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let the man stand up so he could just scan the field. And I think he wears a shield, so it's not like you can see his eyes and see where he's going. Yeah, I mean, it's all about control with him, man. That. That. That stance wasn't bothered anybody.

[Chad Johnson]

Nobody at all. At all. Just. Just to say. Just to have your imprint on something.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, the coach. And like I said, Pete Carroll should have said, hey, Pete should have went to chips and nah, Chip, we're gonna leave that stance just like it is.

[Chad Johnson]

No, yeah, yeah. I'm. I'm glad. I'm glad he went back to doing what he liked. And it's funny, as soon as he goes back to doing what he like, he has a game like he did, even though they did lock, even though they did lose.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. But that, that. That's the look. If that's what's going to make him comfortable. Ocho running out of that stance.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Most of the time a coaches are very superstitious. If you need a special meal, if you need something, they make sure you have that, right?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They're going to make sure you have that. That man's. That stance rushed for over 2000 yards, what, 2500, 2600 yards last year, and now all of a sudden he get there. That. How does that impact your play calling? Because he's standing up like that. Does it. Does it force you to call plays differently than you would if he's in a conventional stance. No, it's okay not to have. See, I, I don't fault. I don't fault him.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I fought Pete Carroll for allowing it because at the end of the day, he's the offensive coordinator. Pete Carroll is the head coach, and I've seen head coaches override offense and defensive coordinators when they did. No, let him do that. Because at the end of the day, what if I want you to play your absolute best? If standing up in that stance is like Ocho, like you said, a receiver, Some coaches, if you on one side, whatever side you are, okay, I want your right. If you on the right side, I want your right leg back. If you on the left side, I want your left leg. Man, leave me the F alone.

[Chad Johnson]

If I used to play, I used to play with my stands. And I, I, I really love the fact that at times I was given the freedom to change things because, you know, they watch film.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

When they're skinny, it's always the same place. If the ball is in the middle, you inside add to the numbers. If the ball's on the left ass, you outside edge of the numbers. So I used to play with my splits a lot.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you had to. Yes, yes.

[Chad Johnson]

So I, I would play with my spits a lot so people wouldn't know what I was doing because it's always on film. So I would just add stuff into the offense. But I was always end up in the same place at the right time, I got to be there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. And that's what. That's what it come down to. You know? Hey, sometimes you gotta. Sometimes you gotta run a, a, a, a, a slant.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gotta switch it up. You gotta run. You can't.

[Chad Johnson]

You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, man, he tightened. Yeah. Well, hell, they gonna know. Sometimes you gotta. Hey, man, I'm gonna have to bust it, but I can't keep line up in this tight split and running this shallow, or I can't keep running this tight split and running this speed out because they're gonna pick up on that.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like you said, they study. They study film, they study your foot placement, they study your alignment. They study. Okay. Oh, oh. He always. He normally always have this foot back. Yeah. When he had this foot back, here come that bang. So now you put that foot back and you run the out because he gonna be looking to drive the bang. The same thing that we do when we see a linebacker and he staggered, he switch his stance. Oh, you, man, you coming. You ain't finished dropping no coverage, man. Sharp. How you know, don't worry about it. I'll tell you after the game. I ain't gonna tell you now so you can change it up. But yeah, let, let the young, let the young man, let the young man prosper. And if that's what's going to help him, be his absolute best. Take off, son. Hey, you want to eat? You want to eat spaghetti for a pregame take off? Yeah, if you want a me, I was a French toast oatmeal guy. That's what I had in a banana. That's what, that's what my pregame was. Now, I ate pasta the night before the game, but some people like pasta in steak before the game. I don't like that Ocho. That's too heavy. That's too heavy. I need to be light. I need that stuff to be out of my system by the time I get to the game. But yeah, I think Chip Kelly was trying to do too much for that. That was totally unnecessary because now let the guy succeed.

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