Nightcap Hour 1: Browns Give Kevin Stefanski the BOOT + Pete Carroll DOESN'T LAST in Las Vegas + Zac Taylor tells his STAFF they're SAFE + Ocho's SPOKEN WORD to Ravens Tyler Loop

Summary

Club Shay Shay – “Nightcap Hour 1: Browns Give Kevin Stefanski the BOOT + Pete Carroll DOESN'T LAST in Las Vegas + Zac Taylor tells his STAFF they're SAFE + Ocho's SPOKEN WORD to Ravens Tyler Loop”

Date: January 6, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (Uncle Ocho), Chad Ochocinco Johnson, Joe (ISO Joe Johnson)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap dives into the whirlwind of NFL “Black Monday,” as major coaching changes rock the league. The crew breaks down the Browns’ decision to fire two-time Coach of the Year Kevin Stefanski, the short-lived Las Vegas tenure of Pete Carroll, and the Bengals’ commitment to Coach Zac Taylor despite defensive woes. Along the way, they discuss the pitfalls of QB development, the financial realities of firing coaches, team-building strategies, and cap it off with Ocho’s heartfelt poetic tribute to a maligned NFL kicker. The episode is peppered with real talk, laughs, and personal stories that reveal what life is like on and off the field.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. “Black Monday” & The Coaching Carousel

Timestamps: 05:45 – 11:36

• Kevin Stefanski Out in Cleveland:

  • Browns fire Stefanski after six years, despite being a two-time Coach of the Year and ending a 25-year playoff drought.
  • Shannon Sharpe: “Despite those accolades, Stefanski exits with a 45 and 56 record and went 8 and 26 in his last two seasons… That’s a lot of quarterbacks.” (06:50)
  • Browns’ instability at QB highlighted by a revolving door of passers since Baker Mayfield.
  • Reports surface that Stefanski never wanted Deshaun Watson; the importance of full organizational buy-in for big moves is emphasized.

• Quarterback Development Challenges:

  • Joe points out that high-drafted QBs often land on bad teams with little support, noting this year’s draft lacks “transcendent” talent.
  • Joe: “These college quarterbacks, ain’t no Lamar Jacksons, ain’t no Josh Allens, ain’t no Joe Burrows, ain’t no Patrick Mahomes.” (10:43)
  • Coaches and franchises rarely have patience or the right environments for QBs to develop.

• Coaching & Franchise Development:

  • Sharpe notes the timeline for a QB to develop and the lack of organizational fortitude to weather rough patches.
  • The difficulty of rebuilding without the foundational piece: a reliable quarterback.

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2. The Deshaun Watson Trade: A Franchise Setback

Timestamps: 12:35 – 34:38

• Analysis of Watson’s Tenure:

  • Browns paid an extraordinary price (draft picks, a fully guaranteed contract) and have little to show for it due to Watson’s absences and underperformance.
  • Sharpe: “This is the worst trade in NFL history… because of the compensation and the money that you paid him.” (30:51)
  • Joe: “He hadn’t had the opportunity to get back to himself… Maybe this is his year.” (32:26)

• Organizational Responsibility:

  • The hosts challenge Browns’ ownership and front office for cycling through coaches and QBs without real accountability.
  • Sharpe, on owner’s statements: “Ownership takes full responsibility… Owners can’t get fired, Joe.” (17:16)
  • GM Andrew Berry is non-committal about who will start at QB in 2026—internal or external.

• What’s Needed for Cleveland:

  • O-line and offensive weapons are identified as priorities, not simply a new QB.
  • Emphasis that organizational patience and intelligent roster-building are required for consistent success.

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3. Las Vegas Raiders: Pete Carroll Dismissed After One Season

Timestamps: 38:59 – 60:10

• A Quick Exit:

  • Raiders fire Pete Carroll after a 3–14 season and a string of underperforming teams.
  • Sharpe: “The Raiders were at the bottom of almost every category, offensively and defense. …You got to bring another head coach in and his staff, got to pay them.” (39:02)
  • Financial pressure mounts as Raiders are still paying off multiple fired coaches.

• Rebuilding Realities:

  • Discussion about the Raiders’ lack of foundational talent, outside Max Crosby and Brock Bowers.
  • Calls for trading Crosby to acquire draft capital and a long-term rebuild rather than seeking quick fixes with retread quarterbacks.
  • Candid analogy: “Secondhand stuff”—the Raiders need their own quarterback, not someone else’s cast-off.
  • Joe: “It’s like going to the goddamn casino… You spin the ball and you… spend the wheel.” (42:26)

• Pete Carroll’s One-Year Leash:

  • Reflection on whether Carroll was granted a fair chance to rebuild.
  • Joe: “I’m not surprised at all… I think they want to go a little bit younger.” (59:07)
  • Sharpe references Carroll’s past successes in Seattle and USC, noting that true rebuilds take time but aren’t always afforded in today’s NFL.

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4. Bengals Stay the (Defensive) Course

Timestamps: 60:42 – 66:34

• Despite Deficiencies, Zac Taylor Stays:

  • Despite the Bengals’ defensive ranking near last in the NFL, Taylor refuses changes to his staff.
  • Sharpe: “Taylor stood on business today, stating that he does not plan on making any changes to the coaching staff.” (60:42)
  • Joe credits staffing shortfalls to player issues, not just coaching: “Wouldn’t matter who was coaching that defense… they wasn’t going to be able to perform.” (61:35)

• Future Needs:

  • The Bengals must invest in all three levels of their defense (front, linebacker, secondary) and shore up the offensive line.
  • Sharpe: “At some point in time, y’all gotta stop getting Joe [Burrow] hit.” (63:49)
  • Financial realities may limit free agent spending, so the draft will be crucial.

• Ownership Patterns:

  • Sharpe points out the frugality and patience of Bengals’ ownership: “That one and done stuff that you see other coaches… Mike Brown ain’t doing that.” (66:16)

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5. Ocho’s Spoken Word for Ravens’ Kicker Tyler Loop

Timestamps: 67:07 – 69:44

• Context:

  • Following critical missed kicks, Ocho takes a moment to uplift Ravens’ kicker Tyler Loop.

• Ocho’s Performance:

  • “They call it one kick, but Tyler Loop felt a lifetime in that moment… The world writes a story with no room for the hours you spent perfecting your craft. …But listen, you showed up, you lined it up, you believed. And that’s something no miss can take.” (67:46)

• Hosts’ Reactions:

  • Supportive ribbing, laughter, and mutual appreciation round out the poetic segment.
  • Sharpe: “That is the spoken word by Mr. Ocho pachacho.” (68:46)
  • The panel jokes with Ocho, but recognize the sincerity behind the message.

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6. Art, Adversity, and Team Building: Personal Stories & Laughs

Timestamps: 44:25 – 58:20

• House-Hunting Analogies:

  • Sharpe and Joe swap funny but candid stories about going over-budget on their first homes, using these as analogies for franchise patience, wanting “new, not secondhand.”

• Sacrifice & Success:

  • Both share how the public only sees NFL stars’ finished products, not the struggle and sacrifice behind the scenes.
  • Sharpe: “The people only see the finished product… They only seen you on Sundays. They don’t understand the walk you took…” (55:01)
  • Wearing hand-me-down clothes, going hungry, and hustling through hardship are all part of their journeys.

• Locker Room & College Life:

  • Recollections of living with little in college, sharing washing machines, and depending on girlfriends to handle laundry—showcasing the real, raw athlete experience.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Browns Ownership:

  • “Ownership takes full responsibility. Hey, owners can’t get fired, Joe.” – Shannon Sharpe (17:16)

• On Franchises Drafting QBs:

  • “You go into the wrong situation like that… you got no help around you.” – Joe (11:46)

• On Watson’s Missed Time:

  • “For the most part, he’s might have played 15, 16, 17 games in about four years.” – Sharpe (32:26)

• On Raiders’ Pattern:

  • “That’s the only thing you can trade… You got to start with that foundational piece, Ocho. At the end of the day.” – Sharpe (43:39)

• On Bengals’ Defensive Troubles:

  • “It wouldn’t have mattered who was coaching that goddamn defense…” – Joe (61:35)

• Ocho’s Spoken Word:

  • “You showed up. You lined it up. You believed. And that’s something no miss can take.” – Ocho (67:46)

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Segment Timestamps

• Black Monday & Browns Coaching Change: 05:45 – 16:56
• Deshaun Watson & Franchise Decisions: 16:56 – 34:38
• Raiders Fire Pete Carroll: 38:59 – 60:10
• Bengals’ Coaching Stability: 60:42 – 66:34
• Ocho’s Spoken Word to Tyler Loop: 67:07 – 69:44
• Personal Struggles & NFL Finances (stories): 44:25 – 58:20

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Tone and Style

Genuine, humorous, and direct—hosts pull no punches, but their candor and mutual respect keep the energy high and the discussion relatable for both die-hard fans and casual listeners.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This Nightcap episode is a masterclass in candid sports analysis, blending humor, real stories, and sharply observed football wisdom. The panel navigates the hard truths of coaching upheaval and team-building, sparing no one from critique but always with empathy rooted in lived experience. From coaching carousel chaos to frank talk about NFL finances and heartfelt spoken word, it’s a must-listen for anyone interested in how football’s biggest decisions reverberate from the GM office to the locker room—and sometimes all the way to your living room.

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[Joe]

Hey, Joe, I'm kind of confused, too. We keep talking about teams not making the playoffs. When the Ravens didn't make it.

[Uncle Ocho]

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[Joe]

You didn't make the playoffs. Regards to what happened on the reason why you didn't make it, you still didn't make it. So I'm trying to figure out why you're so happy.

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[Joe]

O yes, well Unk. Well listen to you ain't Joe and unk. I mean this didn't doom the franchise. The franchise been doomed before that situation even happened. Unk, they've been through 37,000 quarterbacks. They haven't been able to find the one. Now, obviously, if Josh Allen, if they've gotten Josh Allen, despite what they might have seen on tape. Listen, when you draft, regardless of what round, regardless of what pick is still hit or miss, no matter what, you can get somebody in the first round that played great in college and it might, it might not translate over into the NFL. Yeah, it just happens like that sometime. This year's draft, we're talking about some of the players that are coming to the draft. They're going to very bad teams. And when they go to these bad teams, some of these players that are going to go early aren't transcending talents, they're not generational talents, but they have a superior supporting cast around them in college and therefore they're going to go high to a very bad team. And you're going to wonder why they struggle. They struggle because of them having, I mean them not having the tools and the supporting cast around when they get to these NFL teams. And it's a different ball game if you're not a transcending talent, which I really haven't seen. I'm talking about a generational talent that would show up right now in college. There is not that. That's. There's not that coming into the draft.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

It's not. I'm just, I'm just being honest and I'm not sure people in the chat, I'm not sure what you're watching. Even even though Colle that have played well, those college quarterbacks ain't no Lamar Jacksons, ain't no Josh Allen's, ain't no Joe Burrows, ain't no Patrick Mahomes, now that there's a chance they could pan out to be that. But team don't have the patience for.

[Uncle Ocho]

That to happen or the coaching. Because if, if you go back and think about Ocho, Josh Allen's rookie year was a turnover machine. It wasn't until he got Brian Dayball that he turned into the job the Josh Allen that we see now and the, the guy that's, that's taken over has even taken him to a higher height and got him to an mvp. So that's the thing. They're going to be some rough spots. And the question is, are we built to withstand those rough spots until he gets this thing figured out.

[Joe]

And Joe, this is another thing. Joe and Unk, if you're not built, which you aren't going to be. The Raiders aren't built.

[Uncle Ocho]

No.

[Joe]

And whoever they pick, they're going to get a quarterback, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

They got to.

[Joe]

They're going to get a quarterback on. Do you trust Mark Davis and all the people that are in that building that are in positions of power to build a team around him, to make sure he can be competent, a good quarterback for the future? Because if you don't, what's going to happen? That can be demoralizing. Joe, though, you, Joe, you go into the wrong situation like that, you got no helper and you ain't got no help around you.

[Uncle Ocho]

I can imagine, I can imagine you come from.

[Joe]

You come from a winning program where you've won everything. And then you come to the NFL and it's a different ball game, Joe. This is the best of the best. And it, but it's levels to everything. It's the best of the best and you go in early, but the team you're on is just not good. The players you're playing with, even though they're part of the 1%, they just not good.

[Uncle Ocho]

What you thinking, Joe? Man, we, we talk. What team y' all talking about right now? Uncle Ocho, he's just talking about quarterback, top five top quarterbacks going to bad situation. Because that's the reason. I know. We're talking about the best players. Yeah, I know. We go to the worst teams and help them. All of a sudden they're not the worst teams anymore. Yeah, I know, I know. You had said something about, you know, these coaches getting fired. Yeah, yeah. Even when I look at the Cleveland situation, man, you got a pretty good quarterback. Why not just like beef up your offensive line? Get, get, get some more weapons. Whoever you're gonna have back there throwing the ball at the end of the day, man, you got to protect the quarterback and you got to get, you got to give them some more weapons. From what I've been saying, they definitely did. Wide receiver, you got Queen Judkins. We'll see how soon he can come back. That's the same. Will he come. Well, I mean, is he going to miss time? Oh, you know, he had a serious injury. Will he miss time? Will he be back for OTAs? Will he be ready, ready for training camp? How soon and will he be back? I think the thing is, Ocho, is that. But see, when you get a 26 year old, that's proven. It's supposed to be. Can't miss. We're not talking about a guy out of college, Ocho. We're talking about a guy that at the time that they signed him, he was a top five quarterback. Everybody had DeSean Watson in their top five. So that's not a situation where we're getting a guy that's never played, never thrown an NFL football, never, doesn't know what it's like to go to NFL meetings and. And lead a huddle in command and be the voice of men among men's. That's Desean Watson, 26 years of age. He had just led the league in passing, had been a Pro bowl player. So he was supposed to be can't miss. You get Tom Brady. You get Tom Brady going to Tampa. He can't miss. You get Peyton Manning. Granted, now Peyton Manning was. He had the. The elbow, the nerve in his. Nerve in his neck, Ocho. But based on that, if everything checked out, if he could throw the ball 40 yards, Peyton Manning was supposed to be. Can't miss. That was Deshaun Watson, 26 years of age, fully healthy, just led the league in passing. And he gets to Cleveland. And for whatever reason, I'm like, I don't know this guy. I don't know this guy. This is not the guy that came from Houston, Ocho. I don't know it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're right. Cleveland, you need wide receivers. You got a great tight end, but it doesn't hurt to have another one. Yeah, Knox and Kincaid. Did you see how they got that in Buffalo? Ocho, hold on.

[Joe]

What about, what about the Bears?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes, Loveland.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

You got Warren, you got Mo Ali Cox in. In the Colts. You got two tight ends. You got Strange and the other guy at Jacksonville. So they need weapons. They need to be beef up that offensive line. The offensive line is just not good enough right now, man. They're not good enough right now, but you need weapons. But you can't keep. You can't keep shuttling quarterbacks in and out.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

You mentioned Mark Davis. I ain't got no problem with Mark Davis because Mark Davis will. Now, he's not like his dad. He's not meddlesome like his dad. He trusts the people that he hired. The people that he hired just effed it up because he didn't want to fire Jon Gruden, the NFL lady.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

And he's one of those. He's one of those artists. He's not like his dad. They'd have never made his dad fire anybody. He's like, you fire him. He wouldn't hire some more of his family. Just. That's not. Uncle Joe. You didn't catch It. See, I. I called it the. The real. He's like that. That's not how his son is. His son is like, okay, I'll tow the company line. I'll do everything. Jerry has replaced his dad as the outlaw man. I'm gonna do what the hell I say, right? I paid for this team. I'm not gonna let you tell me what to do or boss me around. But, Ocho, here's what Jimmy Haslam had to say about the state of the Browns, and I want you to hear this, okay? First of all, ownership takes full responsibility.

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For where we are.

[Uncle Ocho]

To win eight games in two years is horrible.

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It's totally unacceptable, okay?

[Uncle Ocho]

And it's not going to continue.

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Okay?

[Uncle Ocho]

And I want the fans to know we are as frustrated as you are.

[Joe]

Hey, there's one thing about it, right? Hey, listen. Ownership. Ownership. Hey, this is the funny thing about it. Ownership takes full responsibility. Hey, owners can't get fired, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

I know.

[Joe]

Hey, the people. Hey, the people that own, they can't get fired.

[Uncle Ocho]

400, probably 400. 425 coming, Ocho, in March.

[Joe]

What that mean?

[Uncle Ocho]

The TV contract every NFL's team cut.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. Hey, so wait. Oh, 425 million?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

How much we getting out of that?

[Uncle Ocho]

We don't own no team. And oh, show. Now, that's the TV cut. Now, we ain't say nothing about you selling tickets. We ain't say nothing about the local advertising it. We didn't say nothing about local tv, local sponsorship. We say nothing about sparking and we ain't say nothing about concession.

[Joe]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. It add up. It added. You ain't got to tell me twice. I understand the business side of things. I just don't like to talk about it, okay?

[Uncle Ocho]

Brown's general manager, Andrew Barry said today that he was non committal on the team starting quarterback for 2026 and that the new head coach will have a say in the decision. Barry said, we're going to do our work on the quarterback market is too important of a position and it's something that has to be solidified. I can't sit here and tell you today whether to start it in 2026 is internal or external, but it's something that we're going to work through over the next several weeks. And quite honestly, the new head coach will also have a lot of input into that. Ocho, you see what he said?

[Joe]

Yes.

[Uncle Ocho]

He said it's too important a position. He said, I can't sit here today and tell you. Enter left quarter. Oh, here. Andrew Barry Said today that he was non committal on the starring quarterback for 2026 season. Right. And the new head coach will have a say. He should have be safe. He gotta coach. You see what he did? Yeah. He gonna put again gonna put somebody on the head coach that maybe the head coach doesn't want. And then I stole. Yeah, it's like your grandma used to put that plate down for you, man. I don't want that. Okay, do without.

[Joe]

But, but, but obviously, obviously Andrew Barry, they've made mistakes when it comes to.

[Uncle Ocho]

He still got a job. And I don't advocate anybody, I don't advocate anybody getting fired. Oo anybody getting fired. Right. I'm just saying you okay, Stefanski. And I'm not saying Stefanski didn't deserve to go, but I'm saying who hired Stefanski? Who brought all those players in? He did. So he bring all those players in. He stays and gets to hire another coach. Okay.

[Joe]

And, and that's why they feel comfortable taking responsibility for all the losing. Because there, there, there, there's nothing that's going to happen to those who own. They just, they go, they gonna keep recycling coach after coach or quarterback after quarterback at some point until they, until they get back.

[Uncle Ocho]

Joe. So let me get this right. Jimmy Haslam stood before the press today and said eight wins over the last two seasons is unacceptable. Is it unacceptable for the guy that hired that coach? I mean, last I checked, I mean, you ain't get him off a, a hiring app. I mean, maybe, maybe it was zip recruiter, you know, hey, you know, you get these people got to get all the emails and all these different, you know, advertise hiring agencies. I heard you looking for work. Where you hear that from?

[Joe]

I mean, you know, you know what they should say. All these, all these coaches that's getting fired. When coaches get fired in general, I mean, it all comes down to one common denominator. You don't have the goddamn players you need to have success. Kashan McVay ain't going nowhere. Bill Belichick lasted 20 years. Look at all the coaches that have, that have had long sustaining careers. They've always been able to compete staying cronky.

[Uncle Ocho]

Sean McVeigh says, Look, I understand you took this guy number one, but I can't win with him. I've gone as far as I can go with him. We need to do something. Now you tell me what other coach is going to have an input that says, you know what, we're going to trade our number one pick, give up first rounders. We will need Matt Stafford. How many owners gonna do that, Ocho?

[Joe]

Well, not, not exactly, but obviously when you. Wait, hold on. This is the thing. Huh? When you have someone like Matt Stafford available, you're willing to pull the trigger because you know what you're getting. You take Matt Stafford out of goddamn Detroit, right? And you put them on a team that is already ready.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I'm not comparing it to Tom Brady situation to him leaving the Patriots and going to goddamn Tampa Bay. But goddamn uncle is damn so close.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes, it's damn so close.

[Joe]

Because once he got the goddamn la. What the happened?

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. But the difference between Tampa Bay and Stafford. Tampa Bay got him for free. It's like you. Hey, it's like you drop man. Remember John Elway said Peyton Manning called him. I told the other teams, I'm not coming there. I'm coming to you. Okay, I guess we got Peyton. Tom Brady said, hey, I'm coming. Hey, Todd Light. I'm coming to Tampa.

[Joe]

Yeah. Hey Super, Hey, super bowl ready, huh? They was already built. They was already.

[Uncle Ocho]

You trade the number one overall pick and give up two first rounders. A lot of people like ah, what if it you start thinking what if this doesn't work? We got to give up our first round of next year and we got to give up other. I don't know about that. And we got to pay it.

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[Joe]

ABA Uncle Joe the pieces was already in place. Yes the piece was already in place once he got to LA when goddamn time with the Tampa all they needed they was missing that centerpiece.

[Uncle Ocho]

They but and guess what they did. They allowed him to have some say he went. He walked. Hey Gronk. Come on.

[Joe]

Antonio Brown A.B. come on.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes man.

[Joe]

That was. That was icing on the case So.

[Uncle Ocho]

I. I think the thing is Andrew Barry picked those players. Now. He done a great. I mean, Miles Garrett hit it out the park, got him out. I love Justin.

[Joe]

Phenomenal.

[Uncle Ocho]

Love it. I don't know. Did he pick Baker Mayfield? Was he there for Baker Mayfield? Or was that the other guy?

[Joe]

Baker Mayfield, who's responsible for Denzel Ward, too?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, Denzel was probably Andrew Bear. Cause he came out, he came after, huh? It wasn't. They get Denzel Ward?

[Joe]

No, it was okay.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, he's the other guy. The baseball guy, huh? Man, Ocho. Yo, the Browns can make it. They can make a big leap next year, man. They already got a solid defense. You get weapons.

[Joe]

They need about three pieces.

[Uncle Ocho]

Joe, you talking about office.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

If you. You believe they got a quarter. Okay. If you believe their quarterback is on the roster, they need offensive line. That left tackle. Did you see that left tackle? Cam Robinson. I walk better than him. John Dorsey, just like the Baker. That's. That's embarrassing. I mean, to watch some of these guys. That's embarrassing that these guys are starting. I watch for Filaly. Ocho, that's. Yeah, Ocho, he did. He did his hands like this here. And both guys ran by it. I said, you must be. Thank you. School patrol. And you gonna start some five year olds. Oh, yo, how you hold out both hands and both guys go by you?

[Joe]

Hey, hey.

[Uncle Ocho]

They got that boy back there running for his life, man. Lamar like. Oh, yeah. I'm protected on this here. They ain't bringing before. We got five protectors. I'm good. Lamar said. Damn. Yeah. Were you in the hole? How did you get back here this fast?

[Joe]

That happened. That happened a few times.

[Uncle Ocho]

You look at what it did this year. They had a Mason Graham. He started to come on. Schlesinger. Is that his name? He looked like he's going to be defensive rookie of the year. Judkins, solid. Really good. Harold Fanning. Yes. He got Pro bowl potential. Dylan Gabriel. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Samson. I like Judkins better than I like Samson and then Shador. All I know is that he win. He. He. You can say what you want. The defense scored two touchdowns. Those two touchdowns. If he doesn't get them down there in field goal range, do they win the game?

[Joe]

That was critical drive right there too.

[Uncle Ocho]

But see, only. Only but see, Shadow. Does something get them in field goal range. He ain't do nothing anybody else didn't. He set up the wooden field goal.

[Joe]

Yeah, I mean, you know, how that go? The goal post move? Depending on who you're talking about and. And who it is. But that's. That's okay.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's okay.

[Joe]

Yeah, that's okay.

[Uncle Ocho]

Deshaun has to come back, Joe. He's on the book for about 50 million guaranteed. So he has to come back for another year. Ain't nobody. I mean, you could cut him, but nobody. You're not going. You're not going to be able to trade it. So you're gonna give him a fair shot. You stuck with him for at least. At least one more year. It go. This is the worst trade in NFL history. It is. It is what it is. It is the worst trade because of the compensation that you gave up and the money that you paid him. He was the first to have a fully gay. And the problem is, Joe, what made Cleveland. It looks worse than what it was. He had not even started on the new contract, the extension that he signed. They gave him money on top of that. Ocho, he was about to start, and they say, no, guess what? We're gonna even give you more. And to make it worse, we're gonna put it to make it better for you, worse for them. They fully guaranteed it. 230 million. Fully guaranteed.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

They didn't expect this, though.

[Joe]

Absolutely not. Absolutely not. That's what.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's why they did it. That was a fool in Houston.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe. He was a fool in Houston, and he had. He didn't have no superstars, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

He had. He had.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. I think he had D Hop for one year before D Hop went to Arizona, if I'm not mistaken, one year. And the year when D Hop wasn't there, he still went crazy, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

Still went crazy. So they understood what they were getting. And because you understand that a premium passer like that at that age, that was able to do that without premiere talent around him. Oh, man, we got to have this because we haven't had. We haven't had anything like that in so long since Otto Graham.

[Uncle Ocho]

But Uncle Ojo, he ain't played him. It's been a minute. Well, he got hurt. Remember, Joe? He got suspended. He missed the first 11 games. Think about it now. The previous year, he didn't play. It's hard. I don't care how talented you are when you. He missed a whole year, and then basically he missed two years because he missed the first 11 games. Ocho. Then he comes back, plays five games. He doesn't look good. But you say, you know what? You get him in OTAs we get him an off season condition, we get him in our system, he'll be better. He gets hurt, he missed the rest all that season. He comes back, guess what? Gets hurt. Missed all that. So for the most part, he's might have played 15, 16, 17 games in about four years, right? Yeah.

[Joe]

He hadn't had the opportunity to get back to himself if he, if he wanted to.

[Uncle Ocho]

No.

[Joe]

So, I mean, may, maybe, maybe this is his year, Joe, you know, maybe this is his year. He's, he's had, he has, he's had ample time to get himself back healthy, to get back to, to some form of what he used to be. And, and maybe if, if they do their due diligence in bringing talent, Talent, two pieces. If he's gonna be your starting quarterback because you, you got 50 million on the books on him and you have no choice but to ride with him, you know what to do.

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, you start well.

[Joe]

Premier players from.

[Uncle Ocho]

Other you, I mean you can release him, but you still owe him 50 million guaranteed. Ocho.

[Joe]

So, so you know they're not gonna do that. You know they're not gonna do that.

[Uncle Ocho]

I don't know.

[Joe]

I don't know. I, I, Joe, honestly, I don't know either. I don't.

[Uncle Ocho]

It's, it's a very tough situation. We keep saying pieces. I don't give a damn what kind of pieces you get. This ain't no just ain't no puzzle. It ain't really that hard if you don't get that foundational piece which is the quarterback. You cannot build a team that's quality enough to get to where you want to go. It used to be you could Ocho, I bring my running game, I bring my defense because defense travels. A run game travels. They change the rules. Your quarterback needs to travel and he needs to be able to make plays under the rest. That's the way it's set up. Now go back and look at the quarterbacks that's been winning the Super Bowls. Yeah, they got great piece around them, but that guy's had to make plays and right now Cleveland doesn't have that. And they haven't had it in a long time. Seems to be, look, it seems to me, at least at worst case you could say, you know, you, maybe you could have said that, hey, look, we like what we saw from Sanders.

[Joe]

But.

[Uncle Ocho]

They, they're non committal. They say we don't know if it's internal or external. Which means, hey, we don't know if the guy that, that's going to lead Us is on the roster or we're going to have to bring him in.

[Joe]

Right?

[Uncle Ocho]

They keeping everybody on their toes over there.

[Joe]

They definitely ain't gonna get no answer right now anyway. God damn it.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey. I'm like you. If they don't do nothing about that line, the offensive line, I don't give a damn who they get back there throwing that ball. They ain't gonna make a difference. Well, they better get no allows back there to play quarterback so he can take off running. Cause they can't catch him. But other than that, it ain't gonna work. They need offensive line. They need offensive line. They need some receivers. I like Isaiah Bond, but they need a. They need a number one. They got to go get a receiver. I like fanning. I'm not saying you got to try to find another fan, but if you can have two solid tight ends that can do some damage. But I think offensively you're good. Hey, I'll try to find another piece to go opposite of of. Maybe you go out and get another corner. The pair of Opposite of a. Denzel. I like Delpic, obviously. Miles Garrett is your linchpin, your centerpiece. He's gonna make everybody. Devin Bush played really well for him this year. Yeah, but it's Cleveland. Just.

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[Uncle Ocho]

Head coach, Pete Carroll after just one season. Carroll said the Raiders would win a bunch of games in his first season. Instead, the Raiders finished 3 and 14, had a check, but they got that number one pick. The Raiders were at the bottom of almost every category, offensively and defense. The unit finished 31st impressions rate 27th and sack despite Max Crosby having 10 this season. The Raiders are also looking to hire a financial advisor. That's what he should Ocho think about all the coaches and they OWE Antonio Pierce 8 million, Josh McDaniel 10 million, John Gruden 10 million, Pete Carroll 16 million, Chip Kelly 6 million. And you got to bring another head coach in and his staff got to pay them.

[Joe]

Yeah, but listen, if they need to hire. If they need to hire a Joe, if they need to hire a financial advisor, yeah, right where they need to come.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, I'm right.

[Joe]

I'm exactly who they need to call. Hey, listen, if there's anything I can get them out of that. They don't worry about that. I can get them out of there. If it's anybody that knows and that's financially conscious and very savvy when it comes to spending and making sure it's me.

[Uncle Ocho]

It's too late, Ojo, it's me.

[Joe]

Well, listen, I. It might be too late, but I will make sure they won't make any more goddamn mistakes and overspending from this point on. Now bring. Bring me in the building.

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, here's the thing. When you fire a coach, you ain't got no choice. You're on the hook for his book, for his money.

[Joe]

Well, listen, we go, we're gonna be, we're gonna be a lot more cautious on who we hire and making sure we allow that contract.

[Uncle Ocho]

You could have Bill park, you could have hired a Bill Belichick. Your quarter. That quarterback situation, you're gonna be right here. Oh yeah.

[Joe]

Oh yeah, you're right.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, so if you the Raiders though, do you get one of these kids coming out the draft, quarterback, or do you go. Because I don't believe. I don't. Oh. At some point in time, you got to stop trying to get stuff. You got to stop trying to. Like we used to call it second hand, you know, Joe, you know what I'm talking about? Second on second hand. Man, it was a long time before I had a new car by something myself that somebody hadn't got in there and pass gas in it. I want to be the first one to pass gas in this car. So Ocho, you know, you getting second hand stuff, I think they need to move on from that second hand and get a quarterback of their own.

[Joe]

And where he gonna come from?

[Uncle Ocho]

Look, the kid from Indiana. Indiana or the kid from the Oregon, they're coming out. It's too much money not to. That ain't gonna get it as old Joe.

[Joe]

No, you put them, you put them young bulls in that environment. Have you seen Organ's team? Have you seen Indiana? And what you think gonna happen to either one of them if they go to the Raiders? What is going. What they gonna look like you already know?

[Uncle Ocho]

Look, they're a long ways away. They need, they need offensive line, they need defensive players. Look, you got to trade Max Crosby. He's the only thing that's the only thing of value that you have that can bring you back draft compensation to help you build up. That's the only thing about you got. That's the only thing that you can trade. So you're gonna have to trade him and. And. And get a first and a third and a second next year.

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[Uncle Ocho]

And you got a first this year. But Ultra, you gotta hit. You gotta hit.

[Joe]

And that's the hard part.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

It's making sure. It's like going to the goddamn casino playing. Playing roulette. You know roulette. You never know.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes. Same thing, though. Yeah, I get you. Yeah. You spin the ball and you. You spend the. The wheel. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

In the numbers. Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Roulette, man.

[Joe]

Come on, man. Why y' all always correcting me, man?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, look, you gotta. You got Brock Bowers. He's one of your top tight ends in the league. So you gotta pass catching tight end. You need a receiver. You. You went to the draft. You got a back last year. You need somebody to block for the back. You need somebody to block for your quarterback. You got. You got Christie. Excuse me. Crosby. That. He can. He could. You're not trading. You're not trading Brock Bowers. The reason why I didn't mention him. Because you're not trading him.

[Joe]

No, no, not a chance.

[Uncle Ocho]

Max. Trade and get that can help you build this thing back up, because that's really the only thing that you have a valuable. That value that you're willing to move. You got to start with that foundational piece, Ocho. At the end of the day.

[Joe]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

I mean, if you got a house, Ocho, what you gonna get? What's the first thing you go buy? What. What can't you live without?

[Joe]

Shoot, I'm hoping you say furniture, huh?

[Uncle Ocho]

I will give you. I give you $500, and you got to get one piece.

[Joe]

Damn.

[Uncle Ocho]

In the house. Tv, man, that's accessory. Hey, not when you got a phone. I could do it. I can watch all that stuff on my phone.

[Joe]

I mean. Okay. Okay, then that's a good one, huh? Because the first thing I'm thinking about by getting the house, I need some furniture. I got to have somewhere to lay, lay my head and a tv. I'm trying to think what else I.

[Uncle Ocho]

Can speak for Big Spears. I bought a house.

[Joe]

Talk to me.

[Uncle Ocho]

It was over budget, Joe, you know what I'm saying? My people told me, say, Shannon, you can spend 425, 000. I said, I got you 425. I give me a big old high for 425. First house the lady showed me was 625. I said, why you show me this house? You know, I can't afford this. Let's go somewhere else. But I said, before we go somewhere else, let me look around. You know what I said, Joe Ocho, I said, before we go. Since we here now, I might as well look around, right? I put my hands around, I walk in there.

[Joe]

Yeah. Hey, hey, that's the game they play on.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, man. Big old shower. I ain't never seen no walk in shower. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I towers were the same place my jeans were, you know, I could go get a pair of jeans and get a towel. So you know what I'm saying? I ain't never seen no linen closet. Linen. Yeah. So I was like, I walk down, she opened the door, I go down. I said, that's a basement. I said, I said, what is that? At the time, I ain't know what it was. I said, what is this called? She said, it's a basement and it's finished. I said, huh? Yeah. I'm walking down there carpeted, 3,000 square foot.

[Joe]

Damn.

[Uncle Ocho]

I could just imagine what I could be doing in here. You hear me? Yeah. A lot of trampoline action, you know what I'm saying? Oh, your trampoline. Your boy, your boy was young. I was 24, 25 now, I think a trampoline. I said, okay. I said, okay, this is a little bit out of my budget. Let me see the other houses. You know what I'm saying, Joe, Oh, Joe. I said, let me see the. Hey, that 425 ain't gonna hit nothing like that, okay? She said, well, okay, Mr. Sharp. This is like, this is like 435 to 450. She saw, she, I saw those houses. I walked in, had my handle pocket just like this right here. But I don't want this. I go to the other with Jump Ocho, same thing. Hands in my pocket. I look around, I said, let's go back and look at the other house one more time. Let's look at the other house. The first house. You showed me that first. When you showed me. She said, are you sure, Mr. Shark? Because they told me the budget. Yeah, yeah. I go back there, I started, started thinking. I said, I'm right here in the heart of Buckhead, man. I'm right there. I could walk the Fields Plaza. I could walk to Lennox Mall.

[Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. I can walk to the movie theaters. That's in Phil's Platter. Because back then, Joe, I don't know if you remember or when you got there, they used to have a movie theater in Lennox Mall. Yeah. Oh, till old boy got shot. A dude got shot there, but it was. You didn't want to go there. I'll tell you about that later, Joe. But anyway, yeah, I was thinking about it. I remember she dropped me back at the time. She dropped me back at the hotel. Yeah. She said, what you think, Mr. Shark? I said, I think I'm about to be over budget. I said, I think I'm about to be over budget. Hey, that's how they get me. Well, that's how they get. You know who I bought the house from? Yo. Sugar Ray Leonard's ex wife, Juanita. Well, they got you. Hey, they got you just how they got me.

[Joe]

How they got you, Joe?

[Uncle Ocho]

Ocho, I'm out here supposed to be looking for me a nice little townhouse. I just come from Phoenix.

[Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Uncle Ocho]

When I head to Atlanta. Okay, man, you know Sharif Abdul Rahim, he just built this house out here in Sandy Springs.

[Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Uncle Ocho]

He ain't been living in it six months. I say, oh, we can go by there and check it out. We come by here, Ocho, I'm still in the house of this day. We come, We come by here. They got the chef in there. He got everything whipped up right. Man, I supposed to be looking at a townhouse. This 14,000 square feet. I'm like, oh, look, you ain't going to take me go look at no townhouse after I saw this. I don't know why you. Why not start with the 425s first, right? Why you start with this and think I'm about to go to that?

[Joe]

Hold on. Time out, time out, time out, time out. Let's slow down a little bit. Cause Joe just threw that out there like I. Like we me in the chat and.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hear him just say, I'm just keeping it114,000 square feet.

[Joe]

Boy, boy, you in Buckingham Palace.

[Uncle Ocho]

What? Ocho, Ocho, Ocho, listen. Look, boy, I had to have a long talk with my mama about this townhouse. I ain't gonna go to no townhouse. No.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe, I gotta. I got to come out there and holla at you now.

[Uncle Ocho]

You gotta come see me. Come see me.

[Joe]

Hey, you. Like you say, your property. That's a property. Ain't no house.

[Uncle Ocho]

Here you go. Hey, Ocho, I've been blessed, Ojo. It ain't just a house. I got three kids all over the age of three. Oh, I said, man, how I'm gonna make this work? I was like, oh. I said, man, boy. Oh, Joe, I. I swear for God and two white men. I was Eating ketchup with a knit needle. Dad, look here. I know, man. I ain't never ate so much tuna, oatmeal and eggs in my life, man. I went to Sam's, I was buying like seven, eight dozen, like 20 dozen eggs at a time. I was getting cake, I was getting pallets of tuna. That's all I could eat. I could play with that. I got to pay for the house. I gotta pay child support. That's all I got.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, listen, you gotta make, you gotta sacrifice, huh? You wanted that house. Listen, I. I understand your pain. I've been there before. Maybe not. Maybe not to that extent, but listen, we. We've all had to sacrifice something.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

For something else that we like and we love. We appreciate at that, at that time. Knowing inside our budget.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, knowing good. Well, because we know it's coming. Ain't had no tape, nothing to eat up. I didn't. I had a couch and I had a bed. That's all I had for. Hey, hey, hey, look. Hey, hey. That had you working hard as long. I had a king size bed. I had a king size bed. What the. You remember the furniture store Huffs Joe. Right there on Ladies Road by the church. It used to be a glass. It was a big glass building right there. But the furniture, that's where all. All the high end black entertainer Salem. They used to go get the furniture there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You probably spent. Why do that? But you know, I had to get me. Oh, oh, Joe. Oh Joe. I had a bad. But you know, my bed was black lacquer. Black lacquer. And it light up like. Like an infinity. Like infinity. And like.

[Joe]

Ellie, hold on.

[Uncle Ocho]

You had led before it was cool. Before it was it before it was in style.

[Joe]

Right, right.

[Uncle Ocho]

And let me tell you what I did. Let me tell you what I had Ocho. I splurged a little bit. I went all in out. Like I said, I was eating ketchup with a knit needle.

[Joe]

Come on, take your time.

[Uncle Ocho]

And I had me a leather comforter custom made for the bed. Oh boy, you cut up leather. What? Leather. Leather comforter custom for the bed.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh yeah, you cut. Then I did a car signing. You know, I did a car if. You know, back then you saw kind sign cards. Uhuh. They gave your boy a little money. I signed like 2000. Car got me about 12, 5. Okay. Bought me some satin sheets. Satine. Hey, how about this here, man? You know, I see him in the movies. How they run jumping the bed. How I go jumping. That's always cost to flow with the other side on the floor. I went. I said, oh, man, that stuff look good. That's a functional. Hey, hey, hold up. But why are you talking, though, Uncle Ocho? Y' all still don't do car sightings? Oh, yeah, I do. I do. I do every. Every blue moon, Joe. Because back then, you know, my brother would take me like they want my brother. He had just. But in the beginning, they wanted my brother because he had, you know, won the triple crown. He was a all pro first, you know, honey, catch season, back to back hunter catch season. So they wanted him. And the only way he would go do the signing, they had to take me. So they throw you for 2500. 5000.

[Joe]

Right, right.

[Uncle Ocho]

I mean, one time I signed 10, 000 cards. Damn. In one sin they get. They gave you three months. Yeah.

[Joe]

Oh. To get through it. Okay, okay.

[Uncle Ocho]

But I was. I had a couch. I had no tv, but I had a bed. The bed was nice. I'm just saying the bed was nice. The bed was nice. Yeah. Hey, I'm still doing car signings to this day. Boy, the way they.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I still. I still sign a lot. Boy.

[Uncle Ocho]

Bad. Hey, I look back, I look back, I think about sometime now, I just be laying. I was like, damn right. This thing could have went sideways in a hurry.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

I ain't have no choice. Oh, you were shooting up. Yeah, I was shooting up. And I got three.

[Joe]

I got to get on.

[Uncle Ocho]

I got three kids, they in daycare, and I got. I still got to take care of granny. I still got to take care of living mom every once in a while, plus the kid. That's my number one responsibility. So if I got to do without, I'm cool. People say, man, right. I could train myself. I'll go a couple of days without eating. Here be killing.

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[Uncle Ocho]

You're so hungry. But I said, nah, I got. I gotta put myself in a situation because if I ever have to not be able to eat, I'm gonna be good with.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey. It's a lot of people, ain't they? They ain't gonna be to understand what you're saying, bro.

[Joe]

No, no, no, no.

[Uncle Ocho]

It's a lot of us. It's a lot of us who've been there and done that.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, Joe. The funny thing about it is, is the people. The people aren't going to understand because they've only seen the finished product. They've only seen the finished product. They only seen you on Sundays. They don't understand the walk you took and the path you took to get to where you are. They don't understand the sacrifices that came along that goddamn journey before you got to. Yes, what you see on Sundays, they'll never get it.

[Uncle Ocho]

They'll never get it without coin. The phrase told me I wore summer clothes. I told him. And when I went to college, I said, man, I wore summer clothes. Man looked at me and said, what you mean, summer clothes? Some of my brothers, some of my uncles, some of my cousins, hey, they just passed that thing on down.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, I'm like, they so spiky wear this. Last year, I got the man, listen. And when you. When it got too small for me, that's the jeans they cut up. And you know, back then, you know, you're on your. You on your knees. You put holes in your knees in the jeans. My grandma was. That had gotten too small for me. Man, all that stitching. Come on, Granny. This one using college? No, I was. I wasn't coming up in school. I was coming up. Yeah, yeah. But no, when I was in college, you know, look, I went to college. Oh, yeah, I had matching luggage. I had two Piggly Wiggly bags with everything I own inside of them. Imagine, luggage. Ocho Piggly. Wiggly. No, it might have been Win Dicks at the time. They changed the name. But I had two brown bags. You don't believe me, ask Pastor.

[Joe]

That's it.

[Uncle Ocho]

I went to College. Class of 86. That's what we call ourselves, 86. Ask them how I showed up. Two Winn Dixie Brown. Brown grocery bags. I had everything I own in those bags. Hey, I believe. Boy, I ain't had much in there when I went to college neither. I ain't gonna lie to you. I used to wear the crap out them Arkansas Razorback sweats. Ocho, we ain't. Hell, I'm talking about all kind of stuff on them sweats.

[Joe]

Hey, hey. Like it was designed, huh?

[Uncle Ocho]

Man, what you talking about? And you remember, like, in the dorm, you had, like, we had one washing. We had two washers, two dryers. Now think about it. You got long. You might got 70 guys, two washers, two tries. So guess what? Guess what happened. If your stuff, your stuff, you not there to see it, it's gonna be. It's gonna be on top. If somebody else stuff in there. And you just hope your best eyes shirt or your best stuff, you see somebody with, they don't take it, you know, that's me. Hey, hey, hey. You already know, though. When you down There washing them clothes in college. You got to stay. You gotta stay down there with it.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

You can't put the stunning clothes and talking about. You finna go to your room. Okay. Okay. Hey, that was the best thing on show when I got a girlfriend. I got a girlfriend my junior year.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, you thought. Hey.

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[Joe]

She take care of everything.

[Uncle Ocho]

Everything. Washed it. Fold it up.

[Joe]

Hey.

[Uncle Ocho]

Cause you know, I'm just washing out. Hey. I'm dumping everything in there together. Throwing powder in there.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey.

[Joe]

Hey. You ain't say, hey. You ain't separating nothing. You washing.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm washing everything. The only thing I didn't have is bleach. I just knew you couldn't put bleach in color. But everything else, hey, tied. That's all. That's the only. That's the only. That's the only thing we always use. We only use Tide. We have no fabric softener. We have nothing static. I have my four pair of socks stuck to my. Jeez. Y' all know what I'm talking about. I ain't the only one. Hey. I remember them days, boy. Hey.

[Joe]

Hey. That's throwback.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, Joe. Is it rare to see Pete Carroll because the one thing we know about Pre. Carol, he can rebuild. Look at what he did at usc. Look at what he did at Seattle. Are you surprised that they didn't give him more time to try to get this thing turned around than one year?

[Joe]

No, absolutely not. I'm not surprised at all, obviously, because where they were ranked offensively and defensively, I'm not sure if the players were responding to Pete Carroll, obviously. I think they want to go a little bit younger when it comes to the coaching staff that they. That they want to bring in. They want to go in a completely different direction. Obviously, I love Pete. I love what Pete has been able to do at the NFL level, at the collegiate level. But it's obvious that Tom and others that are making those calls in that building want to go much younger to another coach where the players a little bit more receptive to what they have to say.

[Uncle Ocho]

But think about what he had in Seattle. They get Russ. They get Sherm. They get B. Wags. They get Cliff Averill. They get Earl Thomas. They got Cam. Look at what the. Look at what they're doing now. They trade for Beast Mode. They draft those receivers, Curse and Baldwin. You see? Look at what they got. Yeah. Now you. You got Russ. Now you got a nucleus. What nucleus is in Oak, you know, Excuse me.

[Joe]

In Vegas, it ain't Mac Crosby. Brock Bowers, even though it's early.

[Uncle Ocho]

And with that, it wasn't until they got the quarterback with Russia.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

That they were able and par with that legion of boom. They get Michael Bennett, you know, they get Michael Bennett and they get, you know, Malcolm Smith and they get a couple of these other guys and yeah. Voila.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

That took.

[Joe]

That took time now, team.

[Uncle Ocho]

They give you no time now. Ocho. Ocho. Zach Taylor apparently will Pat, who will pass on listening to Joe Burrow and Jamar chase their desire to make change in the beginning of Bengals organization. Taylor stood on business today, stating that he does not plan on making any changes to the coaching staff. He compiled a 52631 record over the last seven seasons and led the Bingles to the Super bowl in 2021. The Bengals defense was one of the worst in the NFL, ranking 30th in points allowed, 31st in total yard surrender. Even with those dismal stats, Taylor plans to bring back defensive coordinator Al golden for a second season in the row. Ocho, are you surprised with how bad that he's not willing to make any changes? Absolutely not.

[Joe]

Because listen, they said Lou, Lou on Roma was a problem the year before last. Lou on Roma went to the goddamn Colts and they had a good defense because you know why they had a good defense in Indy? Because they had the players to be able to execute the scheme and the taxes that Luana Room will want to run. Listen, Al golden, the disciples, Jesus of Nazareth, God, it wouldn't matter who was coaching that goddamn defense, Joe. They wasn't going to be able to perform in this off season. This off season for the Bengals. The only focus for us needs to be in the draft and off season acquisitions needs to be defensive help. It needs to be defensive help. Honestly, I've said this playing around, playing around, obviously saying stuff. I would love Jeffrey Simmons. I'm not sure that's possible. Would Tennessee willing to let him go? No. Will Mike Brown pay him? Absolutely. Absolutely. Based on what we just saw last year and what we saw the previous year, yes, they will do it. He will do it. Another thing, we need three pieces. We need some at all three levels. We need some on the front, on the front level and on the back end. I love D.J. turner. I love D. J. Turner. I love what he's turned out to be. He's gonna get paid this off season at the second level. Demetrius Knight, he need to have that goddamn C on his chest next year. Young Bull is nice.

[Uncle Ocho]

I know. South Carolina game.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, Joe, when you turn on the tape. That young bull all over the place, boy. Yeah, he got a motor on him. Hey, he. He. He gonna be nice. He gonna be something. So we need three pieces, Joe. We need three. Get some on that third level. We get somebody like Jeffrey Simmons to help stop that run. And hoping Shemar Stewart in his second year gets much better as opposed to what we saw this year from him to go early in the draft and live up to that high round expectation. I think we gonna be all right.

[Uncle Ocho]

Y' all go ahead and get that. Y' all gonna have to get that out the draft, ain't you, Ocho? Y' all got some. Y' all got too much money tied up in that offense.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, Joe, you ain't never lied. Listen, I'm with me. I'm picking up what you're putting down, Joe, but we got to do something.

[Uncle Ocho]

You gotta. Y' all gonna have to redo. What you call them contract. Because who. T. Was basically a one year deal. Yeah, he was basically a one year deal, Ocho.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, but you need some offensive lineman, too, at some point in time. Y' all gotta stop getting Joe hit. Yeah, because that's not your offense. Y' all sped things up on Sunday just to try to keep Miles from getting back. Y' all pushed the ball down the field. Y' all really didn't push the ball down the field but one time, Ocho. Cause y' all was trying to get the ball out of his hands because you didn't want Miles to try to get to your quarterback.

[Joe]

As a matter of fact, it's so funny. What did I say?

[Uncle Ocho]

What?

[Joe]

How did I say the game was gonna look? Yeah, you said it the night before the game. I said it was gonna be quick game misdirection and getting the ball out of his hands real fast. And I'd be damned. That's exactly what they did all goddamn game long.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, but that's not. But that's not. That's not your offense, though. No, your offense is. Oh, chose to push the ball down the field. Yeah, you get. Look, we want to push the ball down. Push the. Put the ball in Chase's hand. But Chase catch a lot of deep balls, T. Catch a lot of deep balls.

[Joe]

Yeah, they do.

[Uncle Ocho]

So to get outside of what you schematically normally would do. And that's why I hate. Look, if I want to, Ocho, I can neutralize anybody if I'm willing to jump. If I'm willing to jump my offensive defense just to keep one player at bay. But at what Expense at what expense? Joe Burrow is a push the ball down the field. You got receivers that can get down the field? Yeah, you can get the ball in the hands. And occasionally, yeah, they'll do that. They'll get the ball in T's hand. They'll get the ball more. So Chase. Cause I think Chase is a little better run after the catch than T is. T is a much bigger receiver. Go over the top. He'll high point the ball. Tremendous hand. Great hand, eye coordination. But Sunday, you guys like? Nah, man. We gonna do everything we possibly can to try to neutralize Miles. So that means a lot of quick stuff, a lot of hitches, a lot of smoke stuff. Yeah. A lot of shallows. Hey, hey. Get them all up. The reason why I'm not surprised, the one thing I know about the Brown family, they ain't spending no excess money, I bet. Damn, if you gonna get money, keep. They get their money and you not working for them. That ain't how they do business. Ocho, you know them. I've been around the league and heard people talk. He ain't buying. No. How many more years does Zach Taylor got on his contract? How many more years he gonna be coaching to Cincinnati?

[Joe]

He gonna be right there. Yeah. Absolutely right. Absolutely right.

[Uncle Ocho]

Guys. Hey, man. That one and done stuff that. That you see other coaches that other owners do. Mike Brown ain't doing that.

[Joe]

Ain't having it.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, hell no.

[Joe]

He not. You think. You think. You think he'll fire somebody? He still got to pay. And they not actually in the building.

[Uncle Ocho]

Absolutely not.

[Joe]

It ain't happening.

[Uncle Ocho]

So Zach Taylor stays. We'll come back to the NBA. Excuse me. We'll come back to football a bit, but NBA news first. Ocho, have the floor for some spoken words. It's yours, Ocho.

[Joe]

Oh, man. Hey, Chat.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, hey.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe. This is deep, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay, Take your time, though. Oh, man. Man. Got that, boy. Oh, man.

[Joe]

Hey. Hey, Chat. I know Unc's Ravens didn't make the playoffs. There have been some. Some rude things that have been said to the kicker, Tyler Loop. And knowing that I do spoken word, I thought I come up with something for him to encourage him to go forward and to be better. Because that moment in which he missed that kick, that opportunity will present itself again. So let me know. Y' all ready?

[Uncle Ocho]

We ready, Ocho. You ready, Joe? All right. Yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready. Yeah.

[Joe]

This is called the kick Kick. The kick. They call it one kick, but Tyler Loop felt a lifetime in that moment. The Whistle Was sharp. The stadium was loud. A season on your foot, 44 yards wide, right? And the world writes a story with no room for the hours you spent perfecting your craft. They'll remember the miss, not the miles walked, not the pressure on your back, not the hard it took to step there. But listen, you showed up. You lined it up. You believed. And that's something no miss can take.

[Uncle Ocho]

That is the spoken word by Mr. Yeah. Ocho pachacho. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[Joe]

Thank you.

[Uncle Ocho]

Why you laughing? Hey, I'm digging the hat, though. The head. All right? I'm messing with the hat.

[Joe]

I appreciate that, Joe. I appreciate it. Yeah, I appreciate that, Joe. It took time. It took time for me to write that, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

Very thoughtful.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, I. I listen, I.

[Uncle Ocho]

Damn, this spent all day, Joe. They say OO started poetic injustice.

[Joe]

Keep your head, boy. Now it's for you, Tyler. That was for you, my boy.

[Uncle Ocho]

Lou. Don't say that, man. Poetic injustice.

[Joe]

Hey, listen, that was a serious moment, man. Y' all laughing at me, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

Nah. Hey, this is a safe space. This is safe space.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. Every time. Every time I be vulnerable, y' all get. Y' all get the last.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, just. Hey, we judge ye. Not least, ye be judged.

[Joe]

Right? Right. Whatever that means.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, we ain't laughing at you. We laughing with you. We laughing with you.

[Joe]

Man.

[Uncle Ocho]

You got my.

[Joe]

That's messed up, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, Lord have mercy.

[Joe]

Hey, hold on. Hey, y'. All.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, that's messed up, man. Hey, I got a joke. I got a joke.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay. Come on. Come on, Joe.

[Joe]

You ready, Joe?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready. Come on.

[Joe]

Hey, Chat. What do you call fake spaghetti?

[Uncle Ocho]

Fake spaghetti. You got anything, Joe? I'll be feeling like I'll be knowing them, but they be outfield left somewhere. This dude. This dude. Because fake spaghetti. Hold on, Ocho. Fake spaghetti. No, I ain't got nothing. What you got, Ocho?

[Joe]

Fake spaghetti is called an imposter.

[Uncle Ocho]

Lord have mercy. This man here, Man.

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