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Nightcap - Hour 1: Caleb Williams needs help, Russell Wilson wants pay day, Lions won’t rest starters
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Shannon Sharpe
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y'all know me. I'm your favorite UNC, Shannon Sharp. That guy. Number 85, Liberty City's own route runner extraordinaire. Bingo. Ring of fame honoree, the pro bowler, the all Pro. That's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit that like, button. And do us a favor, go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from, guys, because you've been supporting us so die hard so for so long. We had to come on tonight. But boy, that game was good and terrible. I mean, the six, six to three, it was raining and then nobody want to play. They, you know, Seattle had to fly cross country on Christmas day. Chicago's like, bro, we ain't got nothing to play for. We can't do anything. And boy, it was real snooze fest tonight. But we are here. We're going to give you our insights on the game because we want to thank you for your support. So we want to return the favor. Make sure you check out Shay by La Portier. We have it in stock. The holidays are here. Christmas just celebrated Christmas. Hopefully you had a wonderful time. Whether it was Christmas, whether it was Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, whatever you celebrate, hopefully it was safe and joyous. If you cannot find La Portier in a store in a city or state near you, order it. We'll ship it directly to you. And remember, please drink responsibly. Go follow my media company page on all of its platforms. That's Shay, Shay Media and my clothing company, 84 with 84 being spelled out, you know, we had our latest release that just dropped last month. T shirts, sweats, hoodies, and stocking stuffers such as beanies, koozies and mugs. Quantities are limited, so please make sure you grab yours while supplies last. Everyone started receiving their orders. We got some messages, some DMs that, hey, we got out, got some more stuff today. Hopefully by Friday, which is tomorrow, everybody will have their shipments of the merchandise that they add that they are ordered. And we want to thank you again for your support, Continued support. Make sure you let us know what you think. Tickets for the super bowl show in New Orleans. It's our first spring tour stop. The tickets are on sale now. The link is pinned at the top of the chat. It's February 6th in New Orleans. Be there. Great guests are lined up. We promise you. You don't want to miss this. We've been nominated for two sports podcast awards. Best American Football Podcast and best Sports Comedy Podcast. Please show us your support and go vote for uncho. The link is pinned in the chat, on our social pages and in our social bios. Oh. The Seahawks Defeated the Bears 6 to 3. Kobe Bryant picks off. Caleb Williams on 4th and 10 ceiling. The Seahawks victory. Should the Bears have kicked the 55th or should the Bears have attempted a 57 yard field goal? Or try to try to pick up the first down there and get him. Get closer.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Well, listen, if they thought their kicker had the leg to even attempt a 57 yard field goal, especially with the. With the. In with the weather the way it was. Hey, listen, this good game. This game was not only good and terrible, boy, it was a snooze fest. You hear me?
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Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It was part of the guy on the. Part of the Bears offensive coordinator not making any goddamn adjustments. Adjustments to what? The Seahawks were doing the entire game. No, they blitzing. It's a. It's a numbers game. It's always a numbers game. Make the adjustment necessary to give Caleb Williams the time to actually throw the ball. He running for his life. They had six, six, seven sacks.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. In that situation, no show. You know, they're bringing gas. Hey, I'm gonna make. I'm gonna run smoke screens and jailbreak screens and shallows until you stop listening. I gotta get the ball out of his hands.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Listen, you gotta. You gotta understand, you gotta. You have to scheme against. Okay, listen. When it comes to playing football, the game of football, it's simple. It's a game of maths, it's a game of numbers, and it's simply a Chess match between the offensive coordinator and the defensive coordinator. Anticipate what they're gonna do. You're in the fourth quarter, they've been blitzing the whole goddamn game. Based on your tendencies and down and distance, common sense, you gotta know what to do. They not even using Caleb Williams to his goddamn strengths.
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Shannon Sharpe
Well, anytime I got a mobile quarterback, Ojo, the last thing I want to do is to give him time. I want him to make him make snap decisions. So I'm on pressure, I'm going to heat him up because I don't want him to sit back there because I know Caleb Williams wants to buy time. He wants to let everything develop. No, I want you to make quick decisions. And the way I do that is that I blitz you and then. Because when I blitz you, you're going to take your eyes off downfield because you're going to see the rush and you all of a sudden and you're not going to readjust. And by the time you readjust, hey, we're going to either have you out of the pocket or we going to be got you. And so that's what they were doing. I agree with you, Ocho. I didn't see any adjustments tonight that would make me think like, bro, y'all see what they're doing? They're doing the same thing. Now, maybe Seattle is not a blitz package team, right? But you know, normally McDonald's is a. They feel he can get pressure with his front four, but in that situation, I just want to speed Caleb Williams up. I do not want him to have time, Ocho. I don't want him to think about what he's doing. I want to put pressure on him and I want to make him fanatic. I want to make him frantic. I want to make him like, help Helter Skelter and when, if I can do that, I like my chances. He is a rookie. He's going to get better, but he's not going to get better in this system. He's not going to get better this year.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Listen, it's malpractice what they're doing to him offensively, whoever the coordinators are, whatever they're doing. He looked like a deer in headlights, huh?
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Every time. He looked like a deer. A deer in headlights. He has no time to be composed. He's always on the run. He's running for his life and they confuse him the entirety of the night. I'm talking about confused. I mean, that's.
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Shannon Sharpe
Man, they did. But OO is oo. But it is okay to throw the ball away. You're not gonna look, I know in college you were able to get away from a lot of this, a lot of this. Oo because that's what, you know, he won the Heisman Trophy. He does have gate escapability. He does. He's able to throw the ball on the run. Rolling to his left, rolling to his right, right. He does. He can do that. Oo. A lot of times mobile quarterbacks get themselves in trouble, feeling that they can escape everything. Look at the most sacked guys and a lot of the guys that have been most sacked are your most mobile guys that you wouldn't think. There are your Michael Vicks, there are your Justin Fields, there are your lard. Now, Lamar doesn't get sacked as much as he did early in his career because he understands he does a better job of getting off the football. But Steve Young used to get sacked a lot. Steve McNair used to get sacked a lot. Randall Cunningham used to get sacked a lot. Go back and look at a lot of your mobile quarterbacks and you'll see because they run themselves out of harm's way on the front side only to run themselves into trouble on the backside. But he's going to have to do a better job because they can't protect you all. They can put you behind the Great Wall of China. But at some point in time you're going to have to find a way to get rid of the football Ocho and not take those unnecessary sacks because sometimes he take. Not tonight notwithstanding, he takes sacks. That takes him out of field goal range or it puts him in a bad situation where it could be third and say four. Now all of a sudden it's third and 11. It's third and 13. You can't do that because you're not over. You're not good enough to overcome long downing distances down, in and down out, game in and game out.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Listen, if the officer coordinator and the head coach know that the offensive line is as bad as it is, you know, bad the way it is. You gotta, you gotta run the quick game. You gotta run the quick game. If you're not having any, any success on the ground, you gotta be able to get the ball outta Caleb's hands as fast as possible. Help him. Listen, if the receivers are having problems getting off the ball, they're getting open. Condense the goddamn splits. Put them in bunch. Put, put players in motion. Do it. There's so many different things you can do from a creative standpoint to not only help Caleb Williams. But to help the offensive line and the woes that they having and get the players in your playmaker's hands. It's too many things you can do from a creative standpoint that they're just not doing. Especially tonight, watching what the Seahawks is doing. And I'm sitting here watching the game. Well, God damn, why are you running? Why are you running routes 12 yards and over? And you know you're not. You don't have no time to throw the guy.
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Shannon Sharpe
You ain't got that kind of time. You don't got the time to complete the ball. The Seattle Seahawks approved the 9 and 7. They're half game back of the Rams for the NFC West. Yes, the Rams this week. They're at home the last two games. They got the Cardinals this week and then they have the Seahawks the following week. Both games are at home. The Seahawks tonight recorded seven sacks, countless pressures. Geno Smith 17 of 23, a buck 60. Caleb Williams 16 of 28, 122. No touchdowns, one interceptions. Like I said, look, I understand the conditions, but it's just a bad football. Plus it's Thursday, plus it's Christmas. Ain't nobody really trying to travel Seattle like, man, bro. And you know, Ocho, when you travel from the north, way north, I mean, you can't go further north than what Seattle is unless you got a team in Alaska or Russia that's as far as north you're gonna be able to go. But this game was not very good considering. And even the games last night, Ocho. Yeah, they were one sided yesterday. But oh, man, I mean, and what? Texas only scored four points. I mean, two points. Considering that the Saints got shut out. They were the first team to get shut out in the 2024 season. They scored zero points. Seattle. Excuse me, Seattle. Pittsburgh only scored 10 points. But tonight you got bad offenses that didn't execute very well. It was raining. It's the day after Christmas. Give various fans credit for showing up because they know they're not going anywhere. They're trying to be very supportive. So I tip my hat, Ocho, to teams, to fans that go out there when their team, they know their team is trash and they're not very good and they're not going anywhere. And they show up with the same passion as if they're in Kansas City. The same passion as they're with Philly or they're in Baltimore or one of these teams that they know they're going to the playoffs. But I commend the Bears for doing what they do because they don't have a whole lot to cheer about. It's promising. It's going to be very interesting to see who they hire and the offensive coordinator that they get to, to groom and to cultivate. Caleb Williams. Don't mess this up, Bears. Y'all really haven't had good quarterbacks in a long, long time. I don't know if you've ever. Hell, you might got to go back to Sid Luckman. I know what Jim McMahon did. But Ocho, for the most part, they haven't had very good luck at quarterback position. And if they mess this up, they're going to be kicking themselves.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Listen, they should be kicking themselves for what they've done to quarterbacks, but I don't know how long it's been. Jim McMahon is the last one I can remember that has some type of success, obviously. But when you think about it, I think about the coaches that are out there, they had Pete Carroll's name in it, but from a creativity standpoint, understanding the skill set and how special Caleb Williams is, having someone that can come in there and get the most out of his potential and what he's able to do. Ben Johnson, I know you're going to see this clip. All coaches, all players see these clips that we have on Nightcap. Ben, if you have opportunity, man, please, not only save that franchise, but save Caleb Williams. Save Caleb Williams and allow him. I mean, you're one of the. One of the few officer coordinators who are similar to that of Andy Reid, who has the creative prowess from an offensive standpoint that can get him to his full potential and change that and turn that Bears organization around. I mean, somebody got to do it. And he's the only one I can think of. He's the only one I can think of.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. I don't know. I mean, because of the success that Kingsbury has had with Jaden Daniels. Do you look at him, you see he did get Kyler Murray, rookie of the offensive rookie of the year. About to do it again with Jaden Daniels, offensive rookie of the year. He coached Johnny Manziel, got him the Heisman. Kyler Murray got him the Heisman. If I'm not mistaken, he might have been the coach with Baker. Mayfield got him the Heisman, but nah, maybe Baker. Was it Cliff or was it. What's the guy. What's the offensive coordinator name at us? The whole. The head coach at usc. But Cliff has done a great job of cultivating young quarterbacks, getting them prepared to play. If I'm not mistaken, he. I think he had Pat, my homeboy, Lincoln Riley. Lincoln Riley. I don't know, maybe Lincoln Riley had Kyler Murray and, and Baker Mayfield in college, but I know Cliff had him at, at Arizona. I know Cliff had Johnny Manziel at Texas A and M. I know Cliff had Patrick Mahomes at Texas A and M. So he understands that level of quarterback, the athletic quarterback that can throw the football, but they're really good with their legs. Johnny great with his legs, especially in college. Mahomes great with his legs. We see what he can do with his. Now, he doesn't run around as much as Caleb. He doesn't run around as much as Jaden Daniels, but he has the ability to get out of harm's way and that's what you need. You need a creative mind. You need somebody to come up with a scheme oo that's going to maximize what these guys do and, and look as great as Pete Carroll is. I don't know if now if Pete gonna go out there and hire one of these hot shot offensive coordinators. Okay. But, but you know, Pete want to play defense and, and, and, and, and, and, and. I don't know. I mean, he did a great job with Russ. Let's not right. Russ came along, got a Super bowl. Probably should have got a second one, but they had an outstanding defense. Now, I don't know if the Bears have the personnel to be the Legion of Boom. But when you got that kind of offensive firepower, when you got a Keenan Allen, you got a DJ Moore, you got a cold commit, you got a Roman Dunze and you got a Caleb Williams. You've got to be better on offense than what they displayed this year, Ojo. You just gotta be.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
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Justin Pennick
What's going on, everybody? This is Justin Pennik from John Boy Media, the host of the Football Today podcast alongside Bobby Skinner and Chris Rose. We're rolling three times a week on Mondays, on Wednesdays, on Fridays. Breaking down everything you need to know about the NFL. We're talking about the MVP race. Is Josh Allen going to pull it out? Lamar Jackson? Can Saquon Barkley even break the rushing record? Can the Steelers keep up their momentum? We talk about everything. We break it down. Stats, analytics. And of course, Chris Rose is bringing his perspective on being a pro in the media world as well. Listen to Football Today on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and you will be glad you did. Hope you could join us for the postseason run.
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Shannon Sharpe
Oh, Ruff Wilson is currently projected to sign a three year, $140 million contract this offseason. That's an average of about 46 million per year. Should the Steelers sign Russell William to, excuse me, Russell Wilson to such a contract?
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I mean, yeah, I, I, I, I would think so. Obviously, there's been a skid as far for, for them the last three weeks offensively, but I think Arthur Smith and Russell Wilson, with another year under their belt. Yeah, with another year under their belt, I think it'll be, I think it would be good. I think Russell Wilson has a possible, has a possibility of being the quarterback of the future. And if they don't see fifth as far as giving him three for 140, then you know, Justin Fields is always there as a backup plan if things don't go well, similar to that of Kirk Cousins. The Falcons, they sound, they signed Kirk Cousins or whatever, whatever the numbers may have been and it didn't pan out the way they thought it would and you make the switch. But Russell Wilson has shown that he's very capable of leading the team, being a leader of men, doing what he's always done. He's not the same Russell Wilson of old. He's not the same Russell Wilson, but he is adequate. He can protect the ball and he can make the plays necessary. And Arthur Smith, the way he calls the plays for Russell Wilson. Perfect. It's perfect. You know, the running game. Najee Smith saved, saved that team a little bit from an offensive standpoint because they don't just throw the ball over and over and over.
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Shannon Sharpe
And over.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They're not the type offensive. Jayla Warren. Yeah, yeah, they're not built like that. But I think. I think it's a good thing. It's a good thing just to have some stability and security at the quarterback position because without that, it ain't happening. Despite what that looked like the past three weeks.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. I think the thing is that the turnover bug has kind of bit the Steelers. I mean, Russ didn't take care of the ball against the Broncos. He turned it, had a bad interception in the end zone. Fry mute fumbled the ball.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Go ahead on that interception this. This past weekend. Yeah, that's. That's. That, that's.
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Shannon Sharpe
That's.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, it's picking's fault. You got.
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Shannon Sharpe
You got.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You got to get off that release. You can't stop on the route because you. You have to put that safety in the bind and make it. Make a decision.
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Shannon Sharpe
So you are absolutely correct.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But again, but again, the stats don't show that. They just say Russell Wilson, interception.
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Shannon Sharpe
I saw it from the jump. I saw it from the jump. Yeah, I saw to tweeted it. Also about talking about you, how you. How you stopped on the route. That's the last outro. Everybody, everything, every play, everybody has a responsibility. And a lot of times, in order for you to get maximum result out of that play, everybody has to do their responsibility. Now, occasionally, sometimes guys don't do their responsibility. And you can still get positive out of a play. But when it's. When the. When the negative is so egregious. Yeah, when the negative is so egregious, he stops. Well, when he stops the court, the safety, like, there is no threat outside. Why the hell would I split and get wide when there's no threat out there? My threat is screaming up the scene. So let me go ahead and just take this off your hand, Russ. I appreciate that now, but Ocho Pickens is going to have to be stopped. Having to be so emotional on every play. Every play he doesn't get the ball. He like, oh, my goodness. Oh, Lord have mercy. Cheese. I mean, he throw the ball, but, bro, I know, I know. He's a phenomenal talent. Ocho. Phenomenal. The catches and the difficulty of the catches that he makes on a consistent basis. Yeah, but if he were to channel a lot of that energy, Ocho, I don't know. I don't think he realized just how good he can be.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
I don't think he does. I don't think he realizes Ocho, he got special ability. Ocho.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. He does. He does. You know, I wish the Steelers would realize that, too. I wish they. I wish they would realize it, too, and maximize his potential. You know, put him in. Put him in different positions to make some of those plays outside of just go ball here, go ball there.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. You know.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Man. Man, move that mother. Oh, excuse me. My bad, my bad. Move him around. Let him touch it early. You know, he's a playmaker. I've seen him lance and go to the house and go 70.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You know, he can do some of the same things T. Higgins and Jamar Case. Jamar Chase can do at 6364. He's special, but they don't use them in that sense. So I kind of. I kind of get. Not making excuses for him, not making excuses for him. I'm just understanding how good he is and how. How much of a difference he can make for that offense and making everyone else job around him easy despite him being emotional at times.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. I just think the thing is that he can get frustrated. You know, the interception, bro, that was on you. And they're like. They go somewhere else with the ball. I mean, I'm sure they would love to come to you, but, I mean, they're doing a great job. They're taking their best receiver, their best DB and putting him on you. It's not like McGuff is a slouch. I mean, the guy made all Pro as a. As a rookie last year for a reason. He's probably going to make the Pro bowl again. Him, Certain and Sauce Gardner are probably going to make the Pro Bowl. Now, he might get left out and Jay Ram go. But it's going to be interesting. But I think we know. I think Sauce Garden and Sir Tan Satan is definitely making it. I mean, Certain might be one of the two best corners, and I don't think he's two. So it's going to be very interesting to see how the AFC cornerback position, I think that. That. Hold on. Oh, that's. That might be next week. Ocho, I thought. I thought they was going to name this. I thought they was going to name the Pro bowl stuff this week, but. Well, I guess it becomes Christmas.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That's the last game of the season, ain't it?
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Shannon Sharpe
It's before the last. Because, you know, Ocho, we used to do it like week 14.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
So, you know, week 14, you come out, you got. You got the 15th game, and then the next, you got. You know, you close out the season. So I thought they were going to do it. I Thought they were going to do it Tuesday, but maybe because of the holidays and where it fell. So maybe you're right, Ocho. Maybe you're going to do it before the last game of the season, but like, it's going to be very interesting to see what the Steelers do and how they play this thing in the off season. They do have Justin Fields. Maybe they have another year on him. I don't know. I don't think they picked up that option. But they, I think they kind of like have his. Right? I think, I think, I don't know. I don't. But Russ at 46 million, that seems to be kind of like the play here. But here's some, here's some quotes that came out of the locker room. There have been a couple of weird. Check this out, Ocho. T.J. watts said, I love football. I love the process and I know there's a lot of guys in the locker room that do. Also. Cam Hayward said this, when 10 guys do their job and one guy doesn't, we're screwed. To Sean Elliott. First off, guys can't be effing wide open. That's the first thing. Just do your job. Patrick Queen can't explain it. It's happening. We keep talking about it, but nobody's doing anything about it. Is there drama in the Steelers locker room and how did the Steelers brush off this losing streak? Because they had a two game lead over the Ravens and now the Ravens have leapfrogged them. And if the Ravens beat Cleveland the final game of the season, they win the division and they're going to get a home game. And the Steelers that are in the playoffs, they're going to have to go on the road when they could have been in the catbird seat had they taken care of their business. What's going on in the Steelers locker room?
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, you know what? You know Mike, you know Mike gonna nip that, nip that in the bug. You know Mike don't play that now. Now, there are very few times where you have players, especially on a Mike Tomlin team, that come out and voice their frustration when things aren't going the way they should. Mike can go talk to those players. I don't think there's any drama. Obviously they're, they're speaking from a defensive standpoint and obviously some of the things that they're saying, everybody has to do their job. There are 11 players on the field. It's a team sport. But each individual has to do their own job. So they're speaking on other, other Players on what they should be doing. That shouldn't even be talked about at all. At all. Because when you. When you turn on the film, it's gonna show the eye in the sky don't lie.
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Shannon Sharpe
Correct.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You know it don't lie. So there's no need to talk about anybody else. Just make sure you do your job. And when everybody's on one accord, one band, one goddamn sound, the winds will come. You know, I think they. I think. I wouldn't say the players are panicking, because I think they're just frustrated.
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Shannon Sharpe
I think they're frustrated.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Frustrated because they've been winning. They've been winning for so long. They're used to winning all the time, you know, and now all of a sudden, think you have a three, two game skid, whatever it may be, of losing. Now you're all up in arms. There's no need to panic. Just, hey, keep on chopping wood.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, it is. There's no need to panic. Because all. All losing streaks are the same, is when the losing streak takes place at the end of the year, you're supposed to be going here, not going here. And right now, you see where they're going. They were here. And they're. No diving. They're not going here. The Ravens were here, and they're going here. The Steelers were here, and they're going there. So we're going in two different directions. I think the thing is. Go ahead, Ocho.
- [29:20]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Now, what I'm gonna say, you don't fix that by complaining, though. You don't by complaining, especially in the media. Man, get your ass back on the field. Practice Wednesday, Wednesday, Thursday, do your fast Friday, do your walk through Saturday, and then you go execute it out there on Sunday.
- [29:34]
Shannon Sharpe
No, we off. They play Wednesday. Oh, they good. They got Thursday, Friday, Saturday off. See y'all Sunday, come in and get something done. Monday, Tuesday, be ready to go. Yeah, they probably got the rest of the week off, Ocho.
- [29:47]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
- [29:48]
Shannon Sharpe
Cause you remember they played. They played yesterday.
- [29:50]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, you.
- [29:51]
Shannon Sharpe
So I'm certain they're not coming in. They're probably not coming in until. They might not come in until Monday, Ocho.
- [29:57]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You think so?
- [29:58]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, they got Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Yeah, they're not coming in till Monday. They're not coming in till Monday. Give them some time off. Cause think about how many games they played. They're one of them teams that played, like, three games in 11 days.
- [30:11]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay? Yeah. Yeah.
- [30:11]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm gonna give your body a chance. And the thing is, what people need to understand, like winners, they're simple as a team and they figure ish out losers assembling in groups B, I, T, C, H, moan, complain, and then nothing gets solved. Right? So what are you a winner? Are you losers? Right. It's really that simple. Now, I don't know who they're talking about, but as far as, I mean, Cam Hayward, T.J. watts, they're de facto leaders of that defense. Cam has been there a long time. He's been a very good player for this team for a very, very long time. T.J. watt is one of the pre. One of the two or three best defensive players in all of football. He's probably on the very short list to win defensive player of the year again. He's had. I mean, he's been quiet, but we know what T.J. watt is. We know who he is. Like I said, he's on the very short list again to win defensive player of the year. Miles Garrett is also on that list. There's a few other guys that's on that list, but he's. He's going to be in the mix when it's all said and done. TJ Watts going to be in the mix. And so I agree with you about Russ. I think that seems to be the Gordon rate for one of these guys. That seems to be the year, the years. Ocho. I'm not going to be heavily committed and I'm not giving no. 2, 3, $200 million, and I'm not giving all this 100, 125, $30 million in guaranteed money. That seems to be a good going rate for Russ. I think he had, like you said, he's not what he once was. He can still get out of harm's way, but he doesn't have. He doesn't possess the improvisational skills and the escapability that he always did because a lot of what he did in Seattle, that offense was contingent on his improvisational skills. It was almost like, okay, call a play, Russ. That play ain't gonna work. I already know it's not gonna work, but I called it anyway. But I need you to do what you normally do. And he would go out and get out of harm's way. But it's going to be very interesting to see how they finish off the season because, boy, that'd be. Ooh, to lose your last four home, last four games and then get kicked out in the first round. I don't think the Rooneys are going to be very happy with that and they're going to have to do some long soul searching. To figure out what actually happened. Dan Campbell won't rest starters against the 49ers. If the Vikings beat the packers, the game. The game against the 49ers will. Will not mean anything for the Lions. Hold on. No, if the packers beat the 49ers, is that what you mean? Cause both of. Hold on. I'm confused. Why would. Why would Dan Campbell start resting starters anyway in. In week 17? I mean, you got another game to go. I can see if this a fight. First of all, I can see if you already had home field clinch like the, like the Chiefs. The Chiefs are going to rest their guys, but can't nobody catch them.
- [33:04]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right.
- [33:04]
Shannon Sharpe
It would be a shame for Detroit to have home field basically for the entirety of the season and then lose it in the final week. Week 17, week 18.
- [33:14]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right.
- [33:16]
Shannon Sharpe
So. No, I get it. And it just so happens he's playing in one of the best divisions in football in a very, very long time. You got 13. What? You got 13 and 2. 13 and 2 and you got 11 and 4. That just lets you know just how powerful that division is. I mean, that those three teams in division have like, what's that? 13, 13, 26 and 11 is 37. They got 37 wins. When you start adding up Jacksonville and the Giants and the Raiders and some of these other teams, they don't got 30. They don't got 30, 36, seven wins between like seven, 18.
- [33:50]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, yeah. Dan knows exactly what he's doing.
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Shannon Sharpe
It's a very fine line, Ocho. Between rest and Russ. We made that mistake, Ocho. We damn near had the division one year clinch. I think it was 96 and we ended up losing the division around the Jacksonville, but we had the division clinch damn near at Thanksgiving. So, you know, Mike is trying to juggle, you know, we playing and then guys playing till the third quarter, four. I mean, hell, sometimes like a preseason game, td, you know, playing half, you know, I don't play the last game. Td, don't play the last game, John. Don't play. You know, it's like. And now you played like that, Ocho. You get to buy.
- [34:35]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
- [34:36]
Shannon Sharpe
So really, you hadn't played in that. Played real football damn near in a month. And you know, we got off to a great start. We got off to a nothing and you know, end up dropping. I dropped a two point conversion that would have made it 14 nothing. And we didn't really get our momentum. They go on a streak, but they had a really good team. Mocho. They had, you know, Brunel. They Had Natron Means they had Jimmy, they had Keenan. I think they had. Who's the tight end? I forget. I don't forget who the tight end was anyway. But hell, you remember the db was.
- [35:10]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Donovan Darius on that team then? Yeah, yeah, I remember. DD way.
- [35:16]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. But yeah, I agree with Dan. I mean especially. It's really too early. You haven't clinched. I don't know why the hell you would rest starters when you haven't clinched anything. You ever write to be a wild card? It's true. Because Minnesota's in your division.
- [35:33]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. And they playing really well.
- [35:36]
Shannon Sharpe
Absolutely. He said, I'll make it easy for everybody. That way all critics can jump out and start attacking. But the way. But that way you don't have to debate them anymore. We're bringing everything we got into this game and we're playing. I don't care what it looks like, where it's at or who this, who's that. We're out there to play to win this game out on the West Coast. So there you go. Do you like the. Yeah, I guess what people are saying because they're so injury depleted. I'm playing the guy. If you're healthy, you're playing. I mean, I don't really know what the debate is. Ocho, if you're healthy, you're playing. If you can't go, you're not going.
- [36:15]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right. I mean, he knows what he's doing.
- [36:21]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [36:21]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Dan Campbell's the one that has that franchise turned around. Nobody else.
- [36:25]
Shannon Sharpe
Yep.
- [36:25]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I don't care what anybody else on the outside of that building is talking about. He went in there and changed it.
- [36:31]
Shannon Sharpe
And Brad Holmes did a great job of drafting. You drafted Jameson Williams, you drafted Jameer Gibbs, you drafted Almond Ross St. Brown upon you and you get guys in free agency to come there. You do the right a. You look at a Brian Branch, you look at an Arnold. You look at the guys that they've drafted. They've done a great job in the draft in sprinkling in some rook and some free agents. You know, they got a DJ reader. They got some of these guys over there. Oo, that's playing really well. You see what they did at the trade deadline. They went and got Z the Darius Smith. They've done a great job. He's changed the mindset. You make the trade for Jerry Goff and you trade one of the. One of the hometown, you know, a fan favorite who was a former number one overall also in Matthew Stafford. But they've done a great job. Montgomery signing David Montgomery. But I like looking. They trade T.J. hawkinson. They're like, well, hold on, T.J. hawkinson went to the Pro Bowl. They bring in Sam Laporta, who's more of what Dan Campbell. Hawkinson's is mainly an F or what we call a fly, a tiger tight end. Not really good at the point of attack, but he can catch the football. Laporta, the one thing about. You can say, a lot of those guys out of Iowa, they're gonna block you. Look at killer and put his hand in the dirt, bro. He gonna get after you. Yeah, they're gonna get after. The thing about that, I don't know what they got going on them cornfield jokers out there at Iowa, man. Them joker be playing, man. Ocho, Teddy B. Teddy Tuglow has come out of retirement and signed with the Lions today, weeks after he coached his high school alma mater to a state championship. Miami Northwestern, they beat. I think they beat. Reigns in the 3A championship, Class 3A championship. Florida Bridgewater coached his alma mater. You know, I can see him being.
- [38:17]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
A coach that's right here down the street.
- [38:22]
Shannon Sharpe
So you like the move, Ocho?
- [38:24]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Absolutely. God damn lutely. But listen, this is if. If you were to be able to tell a story, if Teddy Bridgewater was to be able to write a book, I think this would be the perfect story ending. Huh? This would be the perfect story ending for one. Not only to be from Dade county, not only to be from Liberty City, not only to overcome all the obstacles Teddy had to go through. Right. Play quarterback at Miami Northwestern, you know, play quarterback in college. I can't remember what. Teddy went to Louisville.
- [38:49]
Shannon Sharpe
Didn't he go to Louisville, too?
- [38:51]
Michael Lewis
Right.
- [38:52]
Shannon Sharpe
Boom.
- [38:53]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Get drafted, go to Minnesota. Just have a stellar NFL career. Go back to. Get back to your alma mater to show those. To show the kids, to give the kids home. Look, I was able to do it. Not only was I able to do it, I was able to get to the highest level of my childhood dream, the pinnacle of that, and come back to you and give you all the knowledge that you need to know as your head coach, take you to a state championship, and then have the opportunity to go back and play the game that I love and grew up trying to. Trying to get to. Yeah, it don't get no better than that. We talk about blessings, man. That's the biggest blessing, the best opportunity ever, man. I'm happy for Teddy. I mean, why they signed him, I'm not sure. A great locker room guy. A great locker room guy. I think having the inter Locker room can be a good thing, especially for this playoff run. And, I mean, there's nothing wrong with it. Not very many get this kind of opportunity, though. Teddy's special man, Ocho.
- [39:50]
Shannon Sharpe
Nick Sirianni apologized to Zach Ertz for the spat after the commander's game video has emerged of Zach Ertz. He went in for a handshake with Eagles head coach Nick Sirianni. Nick turned his head and said something to Ertz as he walked away. Ers was furious about what Cerioni said, and Big Dom had to get involved even though he apologized. Is this a bad look for Ceriani? It is. Ocho. Ocho, that's the head coach.
- [40:18]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It ain't got to be your homeboy, man. We. Listen, let me. Let me finish. Let me finish. Listen, he's the head coach, right?
- [40:25]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
- [40:26]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
We don't know what happened with him personally before he left.
- [40:30]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes. We don't know.
- [40:31]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
There might have been some issues. I mean, Zach ers probably knows that, you know, there were issues. I mean, if, you know, we not cool even if I am the head coach, regardless of my job title. And we know we ain't like that. Man, fuck all that buddy, buddy shit.
- [40:43]
Shannon Sharpe
You can't be that. You're a head coach. You're the face of the organization. You can't do that. So you think it like me and you thinking players, right? You the head coach, Ocho. You the CEO of a company. Now. Think about it now. We just saw him get into it with fans.
- [40:58]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [40:59]
Shannon Sharpe
It's a bad Nick. At some point in time, you're going to have to be the bigger person in the room. You can't constantly get. Because I'm telling you, you know who's watching? Tyree Roseman. You know who else is watching? Jeffrey Lurie. They're not going to continue to let you keep embarrassing them in this situation because they believe with the talent they got, they can bring somebody else in and coach this football team. Now, I don't know how. Look, they got Dallas Goddard. They got. I forget the guy, he's from Oklahoma. And so they. I think they traded him. No, they might. They might have released Zach. I don't know. But, you know, he had some injuries. Ocho. He had a little injury history. He'd been dealing with some concussions last year or so, I think, if I'm not mistaken. But even though Ocho, like, even like me and you, now, that's different. Me and you. Hey, as a player, player come to shake my hand, I don't Rock with you. That's what I got for you. That's what I got for yo. But as a head coach, right?
- [42:04]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
See, that's why it's hard to ask me that question. That's why it's hard to ask me that question, because I don't. I'm not thinking about the job title as being a head coach. Man. Listen, man, you know what? You know, we don't. You know, I don't even rock with you. Why would you even come to shake my hand for? I'm. I mean. Oh, my bad.
- [42:22]
Shannon Sharpe
That's how we talk. That's how we talk when we're not in the position. When we're not in a position, right?
- [42:27]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I'm like, come on, man. And you know what else I don't like?
- [42:31]
Shannon Sharpe
What?
- [42:32]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
The fact that Nick Sirianni is a head coach now. You have to fake how you truly feel and how you would normally operate because of that said job title. Listen, Zach, erps, I don't like you. Why you coming to shake my hand?
- [42:45]
Shannon Sharpe
But as a head coach, how many times you think you lying, Ocho, let me ask you a question. Ever head coach, how many times you think you lie to players? You lie to players, son. You doing good? No good. Well, he being terrible.
- [42:57]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Bingo. You see what I mean?
- [42:58]
Shannon Sharpe
And you lied.
- [42:59]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That's what we need today and today.
- [43:01]
Shannon Sharpe
No, you can't do that. Not in that position. Ocho, he lied too much. No, it's okay, though.
- [43:07]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
As a head coach, if you have a player. I don't even know how you got here. I don't even know how you made the position.
- [43:12]
Shannon Sharpe
Well, you ain't gonna coach long, huh? You ain't gonna coach long. You just not.
- [43:18]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
See, that's. That's why I can't coach. I'm be honest with you. I'm gonna be honest.
- [43:23]
Shannon Sharpe
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Well, hold on. How you say you're not gonna coach and you just got the way this year that you will criticize players, but all of a sudden you the head coach and you with the players, and you gonna be like this?
- [43:35]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, yeah, yeah. It's different. It's different. See, listen, hold on. Stay. Stay with me now.
- [43:39]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm with you. I'm with you.
- [43:41]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Listen, I can empathize with the players when things aren't going well, because that was once me. I'm not that far removed from the game, even though it's been some years.
- [43:51]
Shannon Sharpe
You that far removed, bro, you 15 years removed.
- [43:55]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hold on. I can still play. Don't do that to Me? Don't do that to me.
- [43:58]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay? You can still play, but you still been removed.
- [44:00]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay, but listen, I can see it from both sides of the spectrum because I know what it's like as a receiver. I know what it's like to mess up. I know what it's like the loaf. I know what it's like to miss the block. I know what it's like to drop a ball. I know it's like to drop a touchdown. I know what it's like to have a game, to lose a game on the hands of my bad play.
- [44:19]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay?
- [44:20]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So therefore, I always keep that in the back of my mind when talking and being critical of players. But now they got better. Now I don't even care no more.
- [44:27]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, you should. But let me ask you this, Ocho. Ocho, when you loaf or you drop a ball and somebody pointed it out, how you gonna say they hating? See, guys get mad at now because you point out, bro, you was loafing. Oh, you old Ian. You a hater, bro. All I said, you was loafing.
- [44:44]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You were.
- [44:46]
Shannon Sharpe
You make it seem like I made this up. I can pull the tape out and just say, okay, tell me what you're thinking on this. You dropped the ball. You missed the block, you missed the tackle. So how if I say that? If I'm analyzing a game and I say, hey, we need to get better play out of X. We need to get a better play out of. Yeah, how if I'm stating the obvious, is that hating you mad? Cause the point that I. The fact that I pointed it out. Dion told me prime told me something early on when I first got it, especially. Cause, like, he and I went to, you know, I think time might be 266. I might be 267. I think he's before me. But anyway, and he was saying. He was like, Jean, he said, you have to understand, you're not just anybody critiquing them. You got that gold jacket. You got credentials. Your words carry more weight. I said, but time. It's like they said they didn't want people that didn't play the game critiquing them. Ocho, you and I played the game.
- [46:03]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, Yeah.
- [46:04]
Shannon Sharpe
I ain't making this up, right? All I'm saying is that you did this and it didn't work out. You probably should have did that, or you missed the block, you missed the catch. Now I'm a hater. Now I'm jealous. I'm like, bro, how. Of what? I'm like, bro, I don't know. If y'all noticed, I know I've been away from the game 20 plus years. But you Google Google still work. Damn, Google Shannon Sharp. And then when they talk about stats, pull it up and they might show you that picture with that gold jacket. I remember number 267. So ain't no jealousy, bro. I got Super Bowls, I got Pro Bowl, I got all that. Guys, all I'm trying to do, I gotta be honest. And a lot of times, you know, and I try to. What I try to do, Ocho, I don't try to get too far in the weeds and say certain coverages. And this because I find myself, Ocho, talking. You and I talking. We talk a language that you and I understand. The casual friend is not going to understand what a bare defense is, what a stretch is, or what cover six, cover six, kick, cover five. They not going to understand that a overfront or underfront, a seven technique, a nine, a wide nine. They're not going to understand that. So I try to do. I try not to get too far into the weeds when I'm talking football terminology. But guys know that's playing the game and they know when I talk, they know what I'm talking about. They just try to discredit me and use the word hate. They never say, I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. They just say, I hate. I'm a hater. And so the casual fan, like. And they use that term so much, people start to believe it. Bro, I ain't got no hater. I want you to get all your money. I do. But when you analyze something, Ocho, you gotta be honest about what you saw. Because you and I, we know what we're looking for.
- [48:01]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Listen, not only we know what we're looking for, we know what it should look like. We know what it should look like. Yeah, yeah. But hey, listen, I done got better. Hey, I be critiquing my ass.
- [48:12]
Shannon Sharpe
You do, you do. I'll give you that. You do. You absolutely do.
- [48:15]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, I'm waiting on the motherfucker to mess up now. And it's not about what you say. Huh, Too now, I didn't realize. It's not about what you say, it's how you say it. Yes, it's all in the delivery. You know, I understand that, you know? Yeah, I don't. I don't say it with conviction.
- [48:31]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
- [48:32]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I say what the problem was as soon as I finished the problem on said problem, whatever it is I saw. I always have a solution. Right. To follow up with it. I always have a solution to follow up with it every time.
- [48:43]
Shannon Sharpe
But I just. It just like coach. I mean, it's okay. I understand you in Philly, tough. But as a player goes out of your way, you. This is a bad look for you if it's another player. I don't rock with you, Ocho. I ain't got no problem. I don't rock with you, bro. You know, I don't get down like that. But in certain situations, you have to be the bigger person. I got you in that situation. He does. And so, you know, look, Ojo, you know, a lot of coaches get along. Hold up, who was that with? Somebody was shaking hands and they shook the hand too long or too hard.
- [49:20]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [49:25]
Shannon Sharpe
Who was that?
- [49:28]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I forgot.
- [49:29]
Shannon Sharpe
Who was that? Somebody got the coaches and he shook his head and he's like, you shook his head? Are you serious? I forget. I forget. Well, that. That might have been. I forget who it was. I. I really do. Maybe it was. Or maybe it was Harbaugh. Maybe it was Jim Harbaugh. It wasn't. Cause it wasn't John. John. John done got there. That's how I wanna say coach. Harbaugh. Jim Harbaugh. But I'm not really sure. But, like, there have been times like, Ojo, every coach don't like each other.
- [50:00]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, yeah, yeah.
- [50:01]
Shannon Sharpe
But they put on a brave face. Hey, yeah. Okay, best of luck now. I hope you tripping, falling, your ugly ass face. Keep it moving. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. But I'm saying, oh, yeah. Best of luck, man. Oh, yeah. Cool, cool, cool. Boom, boom. Nah, bro. You know, we don't rock like that. But I'm gonna put on a brave face for you.
- [50:18]
Michael Lewis
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Shannon Sharpe
Jamar Chase on where the last two games should determine all. Probably his All Pro status. I should already be an All Pro. Bro, you're.
- [52:03]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, yeah. Talk your talk, boy. Stop.
- [52:05]
Shannon Sharpe
You're gonna be a unanimous. He's gonna be a unanimous.
- [52:08]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. All Pro.
- [52:10]
Shannon Sharpe
Unanimous.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I can spell unanimous, too. U n a M I n. Unanimous.
- [52:21]
Shannon Sharpe
I can't remember a guy that won the triple count that wasn't a unanimous MVP because. Because the All Pro is a combination of AFC and nfc. That was. It was Jim Swartz. Oh, Jim Swartz with the Lions.
- [52:40]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, it was.
- [52:41]
Shannon Sharpe
It was Jim Schwartz and Harbaugh. Wasn't it Jim Harbaugh? Yeah, I think it was Jim Swartz and John and Jim Harbaugh when he 49ers. The 49ers played. The 49ers played the Lions. If I'm not mistaken, Ash is trying to find it right now. Jamar Chase 108 catches. CD Lamb is out for the rest of the season, so he can't.
- [53:09]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What happened?
- [53:10]
Shannon Sharpe
What happened to CD he has a shoulder. They can't make the playoffs. Go get the shoulder fixed. Let's get a head start.
- [53:17]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay. Okay.
- [53:19]
Shannon Sharpe
Amon Ross St. Brown is 101 catches. He's seven catches behind. Brock Bowers has 101 catches. He's seven catches Behind Nobody. They're not going to catch him for touchdowns and they're not going to catch him for yards. He has 1510. The next closest to him is. Yes, one. He's 123 behind. 123 yards behind. So theoretically, if JJ we know he's capable of going haywire, but I don't think so. So I think he's going to win the Triple Crown. And even if he doesn't win the Triple Crown, he should be a unanimous All Pro selection considering the numbers that he's put up this year.
- [54:08]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. Not only is he unanimous, he gonna give. He gonna have a unanimous goddamn contract in offseason and I don't want the Bengals to sit here and waiting around to goddamn right camp. Listen, we don't need it. We don't need the Dilly Dally no more. We don't need the Dilly Dally no more. Let's get young Bull paid.
- [54:26]
Shannon Sharpe
So they.
- [54:26]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So he's happy. He's in a good space mentally. You hear me? So he's there for the offseason training program. He's there for. But minicamp. He's there for all the training camp because he missed this. Stay with me. Now, he done missed all the training camp, right?
- [54:42]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [54:43]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And came out and had a season like this. So I'm saying now, you get him in camp now, imagine that he might have 2500 next year. Come on now, talk to me. We talk. Listen, we talk about the greatest banger receiver of all time. Now we ain't just talking about no energy.
- [55:00]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's what he's earned. I ain't say he deserved. I said he would have earned the contract that he's going to receive. Now you could have paid him, but you didn't. You let the price. You let the price of gold, you let the price of gas, you let the price of oil get high. So now you're at the mercy of it.
- [55:20]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Now you know what? Matter of fact, let me tell you what. Let me tell. Let me tell you what a prostitute told me back in 1987.
- [55:26]
Shannon Sharpe
What'd she tell you?
- [55:27]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yesterday's price ain't today's price.
- [55:31]
Shannon Sharpe
Who ha got this going up?
- [55:33]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It went up because he caught me after she caught me, right?
- [55:37]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [55:37]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I had $5 on the right.
- [55:39]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [55:39]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I got paid two days later. And she knew I got paid. So you know what she hit me with?
- [55:43]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yesterday's price, you could have got him a five. But I know you got money. It's gonna cost you 10. And plus I've been cleaned up a little bit too.
- [55:50]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Actually, it Gonna cost me 20 back then. Back then. Yeah. You know, yeah. Look cool to cost you for $20.
- [55:55]
Shannon Sharpe
That's it.
- [55:56]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, let's turn it off. But you gotta think it's 1987.
- [55:59]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah. That's a little something. They, I mean, you know, they put it out like that. They need that little hit, little fix and keep it moving. Yeah, yeah. Yesterday ain't today's. But. But I tell you what, Mike Brown go wish he had him.
- [56:15]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Listen, hey, listen. They. They could have. They could have. They could have got him for a little cheaper now.
- [56:19]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Because. Because the Problem that they had. They had two. They had. He had two years left, so now you pay. And he said, look at Jamar. We gonna give you money. But theoretically, we really. Ocho, theoretically, we got you for four more years. We got the two years still on your left contract, and we still got franchise tag, but we're gonna take care of you. Now. We need you to a. Take care of us a little bit. Now, we can't give you because you got two years now. Now give me my money. All of it. I want all. I said give me everything. I want everything. Hey, what that dude told. What was Sugar Ray. Sugar Ray with Richard Prize contract. Quick was the little kid, when the old man, when he crapped out, he told us, hey, I want everything you took in tonight and everything you took in last night. Yeah, that's what I want. Hey, well, I don't want what I just lost. I want everything that you took in. So Chase is gonna say, I don't just want what I got, what I lost last year. I want back pain. Because you put me out here.
- [57:25]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Huh? Okay.
- [57:26]
Shannon Sharpe
You made me take out this big ass insurance policy. And now I want the money that I paid for the insurance policy. I want all the money that you made. Cause y'all about to get a raise for the TV revenue. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna need that.
- [57:43]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
We know it. And the funny thing about it. Hey, Chat. I want to make sure y'all can hear me. Chat, can y'all see me? Chat, can y'all see me? Let me. Let me scoot a little closer real quick. I want to look at.
- [57:52]
Shannon Sharpe
I want.
- [57:52]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I want you to look what Jamar Chase has done since he's coming to the NFL. Right? And he said he was going to do it after the draft. He said he was going to come, and he going to break every goddamn motherfucking record. Not only has he stood on business on that saying, but also as his nutritionist. Yes, he confides in me when it comes to his nutrition and what he puts and consumes into his body to perform at the level that he's performing at the past three to four years. I'm not even sure how long it's been, but he's playing well. Uncle, you know what Jamar Chase eats?
- [58:18]
Shannon Sharpe
What do you eat?
- [58:20]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Eat McDonald's.
- [58:22]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. I don't believe McDonald's is the staple of his diet. And you can eat a lot of things in moderation. Ocho, let me tell you something.
- [58:36]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Let me tell you something. Yes, I sent. I'm Jamar Chase. Dietitian. I'm his nutritionist. Yes. I sent him a six month plan on what to do and how to do it and how to eat it in moderation. Yes, you said in moderation, Correct. He only paid me for each month. I charge $200.
- [58:59]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [58:59]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So football season, six months, you know, so it's 1200, we out the door, Right. So you know that price gonna go up now.
- [59:07]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. He don't charge you 1,200. So add another 1800 and shoot me my three. Now I know you got it. See, I thought you. I thought you was hurting a little bit now that I know you got it. Oh, no, no. Oh, you ain't hurting.
- [59:24]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, that hurting. Hurting. Only thing hurting him. Only thing hurting is my heart. Not to sold that back together.
- [59:29]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, man.
- [59:31]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Well, that was good. That was a good line. I gotta write that down. Only thing hurting is my heart. Now to sew that back together.
- [59:36]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah, you know, you know, you know, you know, you better now. I mean. Hey, Chad. There was a stretch right there, boy. I thought we lost him.
- [59:44]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
No, I'm good.
- [59:44]
Shannon Sharpe
I was good. I thought we lost it.
- [59:46]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I was good. I was good. Listen, if it was something wrong with me, this is the place where I'm safe. And me being someone who don't give a about what people say about me, I have no problem being vulnerable, especially on this platform.
- [60:01]
Shannon Sharpe
Especially with you. Man, I came in. Put me on. Robert, boy. Say, hey. Yeah. What's the matter, Ocho? Yeah. Life's a B, ain't it?
- [60:11]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes, sir.
- [60:12]
Shannon Sharpe
You're here one day, go on the next.
- [60:14]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes, sir.
- [60:15]
Shannon Sharpe
But you know, hey, you pull through. You pull through.
- [60:18]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes, sir. Hey. Every time. Hey, listen. Hey, you know how you start a lawnmower, right? You got to keep yanking that till it start up.
- [60:26]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah. Sometimes you got to get. Sometimes.
- [60:31]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Some days it take a little longer to get going.
- [60:34]
Shannon Sharpe
Sometimes you gotta beg a little longer. Sometimes you gotta beg a little louder. Sometimes you gotta beg a little harder. Hey.
- [60:44]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Huh? Come on, now. But then you. Then. Then you gotta be careful now.
- [60:48]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [60:50]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I'm very conscious, huh? Because I'm seasoned. You hear me?
- [60:53]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I'm seasoned.
- [60:55]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I got a little salt and pepper on me. I got experience in the game. So what happens? See, I gotta stay woke. I gotta stay. I ain't no fool. One thing about it. Sometimes when you beg, right, you're really not who they want to be with. So when you beg your way back in there, sometimes they'll play the long game. You hear me? Yeah, I'm not talking about my situation. I'm just talking about in general for anybody else out there that might be having problems. And they begging the individual to come back. Sometimes they'll come back to you, right? Simply because who they really want ain't really ready. So they're like, well, fuck it, I'm gonna come back and go to him until the person they like to play the long game. So you got to be careful.
- [61:31]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, you do chat.
- [61:32]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Y'all stay with me now. Yeah, I got 50. I have 53 years of horizontal experience and 56 years of dating experience. So I'm not telling you what I heard. I'm telling you what I know because I didn't been through it. Hey, I'm feeling good tonight. I don't know what the I. I don't know what I ate. I'm feeling good tonight.
- [61:52]
Shannon Sharpe
I know you ate, but I ain't gonna say start with a beat. And I ain't talking about no burger. I ain't say that. Because the Chiefs will have the bye week wild card weekend. The Chiefs could have as many as 25 days off before they begin their playoff push towards a three peat. Because think about it, they played Wednesday. They're probably not having to come to work. They're one of those teams. Andy gave them off considering Ocho. Now they got home field sold up. So the last game of the season don't mean anything to them. So now they got off Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. Mahomes will probably throw a little something. He'll probably run scout team. Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. Woo.
- [62:45]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You're not nervous about that though, Having all that time off and your team just the last two weeks, your team just looking like the Kansas City Chiefs we used to seeing. You ain't look like the Kansas City Chiefs of old. Throughout the entirety of the season. You had a little luck. You had a little luck throughout the season. Listen, I'm not saying nothing bad about the Chiefs. You know, they are the Kansas City Chiefs. As long as you have Patrick Mahomes, you have a guy, you got a chance.
- [63:13]
Shannon Sharpe
You definitely got a chance.
- [63:14]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But I'm just saying as a team, as a whole, even if you are a Chiefs fan and you in the chat, you know your team has not looked up to par.
- [63:21]
Shannon Sharpe
True.
- [63:21]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Throughout the entirety of the season. Last week was the best I've seen the Chiefs look all goddamn season.
- [63:27]
Shannon Sharpe
Yep.
- [63:28]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
All season long. Especially from an offensive standpoint. But having that much time off, do you think that's a good thing when they're just getting in rhythm and just starting to look like themselves or what we used to seeing, at least I.
- [63:43]
Shannon Sharpe
Think the thing is, Ojo, you can't run the risk. You know, you are mahomes injured, away from it all. Be over. It don't matter. You get that guy nicked, it's over. You can't play well enough on either side of the ball to overcome the loss of him. He's the one guy, right, that you can't overcome. No team can as great as Derrick Henry is running the football.
- [64:11]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
- [64:12]
Shannon Sharpe
Josh Johnson ain't winning you no game at quarterback.
- [64:14]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right.
- [64:14]
Shannon Sharpe
And they happening. Josh Allen get nicked. I don't know who the backup is. You ain't winning no games. Nobody. I don't believe there's a team currently constructed that if they start against Nick, they can overcome that.
- [64:32]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
No, no, because listen, we just saw. We just saw it with Eagles. Yeah, we just saw with the Eagles against the Commanders. A lot of people will say, oh, the Commanders won that game. Actually, no, the Commanders did not win that game. It was a Christmas gift from the goddamn Eagles. If you look at the way they played, especially defensively, we ain't seen the Eagles defense play like that all season long. We haven't seen Devonta Smith drop a ball like that. That could have sealed the game all season long. They gave that game away. Two deep passes.
- [65:04]
Shannon Sharpe
Blown coverage, 4th and 11.
- [65:07]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You know what the the percentage is for making it a first down on fourth and 11, let alone and not be in the past, let alone not being a run. But the quarterback scrambling on fourth and 11. Yeah, the Eagles gave them boys that game. And I don't mean no disrespect. It's a good thing Jayn Daniels is having a hell of a goddamn season. I'm just saying this game in Pacific should have been over on that ball. Devontae Smith draw. It should have been over. The game was over right there.
- [65:37]
Shannon Sharpe
No, I'm saying, oh, Trubisky is the backup and Trubisky is the backup in Buffalo. Hell, he, he couldn't. He couldn't win when he was the starter. He damn sure he went into backup. Carson Wentz. Carson Wentz is the backup in Kansas City. Justin Fields, Josh Johnson. I don't even know who the backup is in Houston. Y'all help me out. Who's the backup of Houston? And that's the thing. Look, it's hard because the roster, because you're not able to keep quality people at the quarterback. Oh, Joe, you a stash away of Quarterbacks. Think about it. Think about how long Steve Young sat as a backup to Joe.
- [66:15]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
- [66:17]
Shannon Sharpe
You ain't keeping no Steve Young as no backup.
- [66:20]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Nah.
- [66:21]
Shannon Sharpe
I mean, think about it. You couldn't even keep Jimmy G as a backup to Tom Brady.
- [66:26]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right?
- [66:28]
Shannon Sharpe
The roster spots. I mean, at some point in time, Ocho, NFL is getting away with it. You can't keep expanding games but don't expand the roster. You see what they do with Ocho. They done added another game. They done added another game. So they're about to go to 18 games, but you're not going to expand the roster. You can't give us three other players. So instead of going to 46, go to 49. 50. Come on now. Come on. Oh, Davis Mills is the quarterback at Houston.
- [67:03]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Back up. Yeah.
- [67:10]
Shannon Sharpe
If. If CJ hadn't played that well. But I promise you this. If CJ Goes out, General Mills, Olen Mills, it doesn't matter. Houston go home first round. I don't care. You name another meals. It does not matter. You're going home. The volume.
- [67:32]
Michael Lewis
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- [68:03]
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