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Hello ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining us for Nightcap. Ocho is having some technical difficulties, so we gotta get this show on the road. We thank you for your patience, especially if you're on the East Coast. So as I said, Ocho is having some technical difficulties, but we've got to get this show on the road. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y'all know me, I'm your favorite unc Shannon Sharp. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit that like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you for your support. Thank you for your patience. Through all the ups and downs, the trials and tribulations, you guys have stayed true to Nightcap. And we greatly, greatly appreciate your support. Go check out Shea by La Portier. We have it in stock. The holidays are upon us and we want to make sure you have a very joyous, festive holiday season. 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Moved to 12 and 2 within striking distance of the Detroit Lions. And remember, like I said, Detroit kicked the field goal early in the year to beat the Minnesota. In Minnesota, total yards, The Bears had 283. The Vikings had 329 total rush yards, Bears was 112, Vikings were 114. Caleb Williams was 18 of 31, 191, one touchdown, zero interceptions and Sam Donald was 24, 42, 31, one touchdown, one interception. Like I said, guys, Ocho is having some technical difficulties, so but we wanted to get this thing on the road. But when you watch this game, Minnesota looks really good. And I think because Detroit has played so well for such a long time, people have kind of put in Minnesota kind of put Minnesota kind of put Green Bay kind of on the back burner. But if you watch them throughout the entirety of the season, they're a very good team. They bring a lot of pressure. They can get to your quarterback. Green Bay. We saw Green Bay last night against Seattle and Seattle had been playing really well. But I think those are two teams. Clearly all three teams in the NFC north, there are 14s, but the Bears are not going anywhere, not with that record. They're 4 and 10 with three games remaining. So the best they could do is 7 and 10. But Minnesota 12 and 2, Detroit 12 and 2. I think the packers are 10 and 4. So those three teams are going to be going to have a very, very presence, strong presence in the playoffs. But I like what I saw from Minnesota. The Bears have got to do a better job of starting. They just start entirely too slow. They're giving teams 10, 13, 17 point leads and then they try to work their way back late in the ball game. And they're not a good enough football team to overcome those slow starts. So they're going to have to do a better job. I don't know if, if it's scripting plays, I don't know what's going on. But if you look at them, they've done a very poor job of starting ball games. And when you, when you start ball games like that and when you start with a rookie quarterback and you're not and your, your talent, I mean, they have some skill position players. Offensive line is not the greatest, but I do think Caleb Williams holds on to the ball entirely too long. There are some plays that he had that were made. He had Roma dunesday right over the middle and he went away from him. And I don't know why he would do something like that because clearly he's not comfortable just yet of making the right decisions and letting the football go on cue and rhythm. And so he's going to have to get better on that. But give him some time. He is a rookie. There's a big difference between being a rookie quarterback and being a vet in college. Obviously he can make plays off script in college, but those don't happen very often in the NFL. And you're not trying to make a living making plays like that. But Minnesota looked really good and this. And with the injuries that Detroit is having, they're vulnerable. They're very, very vulnerable. I think Philly is 12 and two also, right? They've only lost two games. Yeah, Philly's 12 and two also. And so when you look at that, you got Minnesota at 12 and 2, you got Detroit at 12 and 2, you got the Eagles at 12 and 2. And if you put up, if you say put some money down, that matters to you, who you think, who I think the best team in the NFC is, I would say the Eagles. Based on their defense, that front line. And as much as, you know, been speculation about happy, who's happy, who's not happy, seemingly bickering on the sidelines every single week, I still, based on what I've seen from the Eagles, based on what I've seen from Detroit, now the injuries start to mount and their defense is compromised, I think the Eagles are the best team in the nfc. I think Minnesota is going to be see, I think Minnesota going to give Detroit all they can handle. And at the end of the day, it comes down to it's not who's playing who's healthiest, who's the healthiest team and who's playing the best, but it's Minnesota had to be pleased with what they did tonight. They beat a division rival. You know, it's very tough to beat division rivals. Chicago, Minnesota, there's no love loss, but Minnesota dominated this ball game. And you saw that in the score. You saw that everywhere. They just, they just did a great job of handling their business and taking care of business. And that's what you expect of a team that's 12 and two this game. The Minnesota and Chicago. Minnesota wins the game 30 to 12. Minnesota moves to 12 and two, tied with Detroit and Philly with the best record in the NFC. Chicago falls to 4 and 10. Minnesota wins, 30 to 12. What'd you like about what you saw?
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Shannon Sharpe
Listen, tonight's game, Minnesota obviously look very good, very good. What Sam Donald's been able to do for the Viking with JD McCarthy going out, being able to. Most of the time, you think about backup quarterbacks. Your backup, he's a backup for a reason. For him to come in and make them almost a super, a Super bowl contender, only losing two games this season. He's been very good offensively. He's really played himself into another big deal. I'm not talking $50 million quarterback type money. I'm talking about, you know, your Baker Mayfield, you know, 3, 3 for 40, something, something like that. And he's giving, he's giving them a chance. And there's, there's a good chance he does come back, he does come back there on something small. Based on what they've seen, the small sample size, what they've seen this year, he played very well. And again tonight he's done the same thing. Jordan Addison Justin Jefferson. I can't think the Titans last name PJ Hawkinson. Hawkinson. Looking good and just look good. Goddamn. On the other end of the spectrum, Caleb Williams. I don't know if it's a play calling. I don't. He has all the weapons. He has all the weapons he needs to succeed. I don't know if it's a play calling or not but maybe his decision making, getting the ball out a little faster. I mean the offensive coordinator would basically know Caleb Williams strengths and his weaknesses. I'm not sure if the play calling is to Caleb Williams best strengths. He does need to start fast like you said earlier just they're not good enough to be able to play from behind so they need to do all the things right possibly that they can in the beginning to at least compete with other teams because they're not that bad.
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Ocho Cinco
No they bad they just.
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Shannon Sharpe
No, no, no no they not that bad because obviously any every team is a quarterback away. You look what Jaden Daniels has done for the commanders, you look at some look what Sam Donald has done when he's, when he has the right supporting cast around him outside of when he was with New York, outside of when he was with Carolina and look what he's done in Minnesota. I think for Caleb Williams it's the same thing because you have the right supporting cast around you to be able to succeed. There's just something missing. There's just something missing. Maybe as a rookie, maybe being a rookie your decision making isn't what it should be. Maybe it's the play calling, it's just something that's off because you have the pieces around you to be able to suc. To succeed and it's just not happening the way it should be now I don't know what it can be but there's a reason he was a number one pick. There's a reason he's good. He's really, he's a really good quarterback. No, based on what we've seen so far just in NFL as a rookie it hasn't been what it should be and it shouldn't be like that. As good as he is.
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Ocho Cinco
I just think it's pre snap he just got to get a better job of free snap. He's got to be going to do a better job of processing and letting the football go. Like I said, there were situations that he had receivers open and for whatever reason his eyes went elsewhere. That's not play calling. If I call a player and I got a guy open if your number one receiver Your number one read is open. I don't know why you would go to two without giving one a chance. And there were plays like that tonight. There were plays that'll be had. And sometimes I think he like, look, he likes playing. I think one of his, one of his strengths is, is that he's, he's very good at improvisation, he's very good at playing off script. But that's not how you want to try to make a living. Now there. It's nice to have that in your back pocket. You see guys like a Lamar, you see guys like a Mahomes, you see guys like a Josh Allen be able to make plays off script, but that's not how you want to live. You want to be able to go through process information very rapidly. 1, 2, 3, check it down, throw it away. That's how you have to do it. That's the only way to be successful. You're not going to make a living in this league continuously making plays off script. It's just too difficult for you to do. And so at some point in time, maybe it's play calling, but we see a situation when they fall behind. But I know what happens when you fall behind. You can throw caution to the wind. It's easier for you to play free because you're already behind by 21 points. So who cares if you fall behind by 28, 31 or whatever the case may be. But at some point in time they're going to have to do a better job of starting because they do not have the team that's well enough that's equipped to overcome 14, 17 point deficit. And so that's it and of itself, give yourself a chance. And we saw them against Detroit. They started terrible and then they got going right there in the end and Detroit ended up winning the ball game. So we've seen them play well, falling behind, but I just don't think that's a, that's a great way to try to win football games, Ocho, is to try to, you know, continually fall behind and then ask your rookie quarterback to try to now make plays to win you the ball game.
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Shannon Sharpe
You see, but maybe that's the issue. You, you said, you said it right as a coordinator, obviously when you fall behind, you said it. You throw caution to win and you just play freely. You go off goddamn script and you run what you think is going to work and what you need for one, to score touchdowns and to get yards and chunk plays. Maybe you should start the game like that the same way you do and pretend as if, you know what, we're down right now. Hell, fuck it. We throwing caution to win, right? We're losing. So I'm going to call the game as such and allow Caleb to do what he does best, as you said, playing off script, which he shouldn't do, obviously. You, as a quarterback, you want to do you. You want to be able to run a normal offense, be able to go through your progression, be able to go through your reads, you know, and make sure you're anticipatory. Your anticipatory. Your anticipatory skills are what they should be in being able to facilitate the ball through that progression. And maybe that's just not his strength right now. So why not just play to a strength and maybe that's why they look so good coming back against Detroit, what's the strength playing off script.
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Ocho Cinco
You can't play like that.
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Shannon Sharpe
Playing off script, being able to.
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Ocho Cinco
Ocho, you can't call play. You can't call you. You call a play, the play is not meant to be. When you call a play, most plays are meant to do certain things. You can't say, okay, well, this play gonna break down and just go off script. That's. That's intuition, right?
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Shannon Sharpe
I know what you meant. I meant, I mean going off script, you know, let's say like, you know, as we. I'm not sure if y'all did this first 15 plays of the game.
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Ocho Cinco
Scripted. Yes.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. You know it's scripted.
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Ocho Cinco
Yes.
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Shannon Sharpe
I'm just saying call it a little bit more freely as opposed to how you would do if it was the beginning. Beginning. Beginning of a game.
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Ocho Cinco
No, that's all.
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Shannon Sharpe
I personally don't know what that looks like for them. I just know, hell, when you got them behind the play call is much different. As opposed to whatever your normal tendencies would be on a first down, second down, third down, whatever it may be.
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Ocho Cinco
But you also got.
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Shannon Sharpe
They look completely different when they fucking down.
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Ocho Cinco
But you also got to factor in the defense plays you different when they got a 21 point or 17 point lead. So they'll give you stuff. They'll let you nickel and dime your way down the field. So I have to call the game accordingly because I don't know I'm basing off when I call the first 15, that's the one thing I know what we've seen on film study is that more times than not, they're going to give us these defenses. Now once we get past those first 15, we've got to play football. They're going to settle in, we're going to settle in. And now we go play. Now, once I get a big lead, all I'm telling my guys, nothing cheap, nothing deep. I'm not gonna nickel your way down the field. We're not gonna give you big chunk plays. And so now all of a sudden, the bing, the Bing, the 10 yard of the 5 yarders, the 8 yard routes, they're available because nobody wants that, wants the guys to get behind them. They have. I mean, when you script the first, how do you F up the first 15? Bro, you've been practicing these plays all week. You come in on Friday, you have a good idea what you're gonna do. You talk, you walk through them on Saturday. I'm trying to figure out how. I mean, bro, y'all gotta do a better job than that. Y'all got to. But Minnesota 12 and 2 in the wild card position because they happen to be in the same division as Detroit, and Detroit owns the tiebreaker because they beaten Minnesota head to head. That could change moving forward. It could easily be Minnesota being the number one seed. It could easily be the Eagles have the number one seed. But I just don't know how the Lions, with all these injuries that started them out on the defensive side of the football, I don't know how they hold on to that number one seed. If they do, given the injuries that they're dealing with. Man, you got to go ahead and give Dan Campbell the coach of the year.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, most definitely. Well, I was thinking about it. I'm thinking about those that are free that can come in and help right away and play. Right now, Carlton Davis is out. Broken jaw, right?
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Ocho Cinco
Yes.
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Shannon Sharpe
I'm not mistaken. Broken jaw. I'm thinking Xavier Howard. Xavier Howard is, is out there right now. I think that's someone that can come in and feel that and feel that spot. Very, very. Huh.
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Ocho Cinco
Is he in shape?
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Shannon Sharpe
Oh, you know, he's been working out. You know, he's been working out now. I don't, I. I don't know personally. I'm just saying, based on what I've seen from him and his agent that they put out, you know, in him being available and, and wanting to come in, I think he might have had a trial, maybe one or two, if I'm not mistaken. I'm just saying, being able to. So the Detroit Lions can make that run, that, that, that playoff run on somebody. Listen, the Lions love playing man to man. What does Xavier Howard do very well?
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Ocho Cinco
Well, not playing man to man the last couple of years. That's not what he's been doing well, right?
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Shannon Sharpe
Come on. Don't. Don't do that. Come on.
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Ocho Cinco
You say what he do well, not playing man to man. That's not what he was doing. Well, come on. But.
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Shannon Sharpe
Come on.
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Ocho Cinco
Don't, don't.
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Shannon Sharpe
Hey, start him out, Debo.
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Ocho Cinco
But you know what, Ojo, that I hate when you see guys like Howard that's been a Pro bowl player, that's been an all pro player, now they got to send out memos and smoke screens to try to get back into the league. I tell guys all the time, Ocho, it's easier to get in the league and stay than get in the league, get out and try to get back in, right? So once you're in, Ocho, once you're in, it's easy to get in the club. But what they say and what when you go to a sporting event, when you go to a. If you leave the arena, there will be no more re. Entry, right? So that's what I'm trying to tell these players, Ojo, and they don't want to listen. It's either to get into the league and stay as opposed to getting in, getting out and try to get back in. Because now people start to look, okay, so what happened? Why is he not in the league?
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Shannon Sharpe
Right?
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Ocho Cinco
And so look, there's some issues off the field. Hopefully he got those resolved so that if the guy can play, I'm sure Detroit is going to kick the tires again. Ocho, right? I don't know if he had a trial with them. Like I said, I haven't been following that closely. I'm sure they're going to kick the tires again. Maybe they have guys on the practice squad that they elevate.
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Shannon Sharpe
No, no, no. Come on now. Come on now. We talk about practice squad and we talk about players that have the experience to be able to play position. So Aaron Glenn could do some of the things that he wants to do. We don't have to change much. And how do you do that? By going out and getting a veteran that's. That would. That's been good at what they do, whether it looks like it did five years ago or not. You have someone that's familiar with defense, that's familiar with covering, especially man to man, which Aaron Glenn knows boys like to do, and that, that has a. A lot of interceptions and it will always have himself in position to make those plays as you make this run. And then, hell, you got fresh legs. You know, you have no wear and tear. So you get the best version of that individual or whatever they have left in the tank. And I think it'd be a good look as far as the second level is concerned. I don't really know about linebackers. I'm just going to be honest with you. I don't know about linebackers and what their availability may be as far as somebody coming off the street or somebody that's played the game for a while. And I don't know about deeps in. But I speak to the skill position in dbs.
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Ocho Cinco
You got what you got now, Ojo. And the thing is, is that what concerns me is that catching up with the speed of the game. Because, you know, that's a different mentality when you're on that edge. Now you on Rikers island and now in the Sharks. Cause you. Hey, all I know is if I'm playing and I see a guy and he been out of the league for 13, 14 weeks and he just coming back, I'm gonna cook his ass. Yeah. Ain't no ill saying or bust about it. I don't care what you were. I just know you're not walking back in being that same player. Now, you might build back up and become some resemblance of that, but I know your first couple of games back, you ain't gonna be him. And. Cause guess what happens, Ocho, when you start working like that? Soft tissue injuries.
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Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah.
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Ocho Cinco
Cause you and I both know he ain't been backpedaling, planting, start cutting, turning, twisting and running like this, like he gonna be in the game. And because practice, you gonna be sore after those first couple of practices. You know how sore you are. Think about how hard you work out in the off season, you take your black ass to practice that many. Those training camp, those first.
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Shannon Sharpe
It's different. It's different. Was it different by the time you.
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Ocho Cinco
Hit that Day three stiff leg, ain't no being. You walking like Frankenstein. Ain't no. Ain't no being. Ain't no flexion. Ain't none of that. Everything hurt. You get out of bed, your ankles hurt, your hips hurt, your knees hurt. Cause all that stop starting, plant, cutting, transitioning, man. But I would. Look, what do you got to lose? I mean, you got guys going down, but the problem they got is because a lot of it, they got interior guys, they got linebackers going down. They ain't just got a specific position, they're going down. They're dropping like flies at all positions. D line, linebackers and secondary.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
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Ocho Cinco
And at some point in time, and as I was saying today on first take, at some point in time. The man that's next to the man that's next to the man ain't enough. It just isn't.
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Shannon Sharpe
Listen, one of the most important things for teams going into the, going into the back half of the season and into the playoffs, it ain't having the best team. It's about how many players you have healthy when they the healthiest team. Yeah, the healthiest. And everybody hurt.
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Ocho Cinco
Yes.
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Shannon Sharpe
You know, people in the chat, people that are watching. Everybody ain't. Everybody's not healthy. You know, you don't feel the way you did going out Week one. Everybody got something wrong with them. Everybody's nicked up. Everybody's nerd. It's a, it's a nick, a knack or it's something. There is no team that is completely healthy. But how many players you have going to the back half of the season heading into the playoffs and how many can, can withstand whatever those injuries may be? Man, you, you know, you're lucky. You're lucky, especially this time of year.
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Ocho Cinco
Updated playoff pitchers the number one seed in the NFC, the Detroit Lions at 12, two. The Eagles, which has to be the number one, has the the top seed in the the NFC East. They're number two at 12 and two. The Bucks are eight and six and number three, the Rams are eight and six and number four. Those are your four division leaders. The first wild card is 12 and two. Minnesota. The second wild card is 10 and four. Green Bay. Washington needs one more win to secure themselves. Well, yeah, I think if they get one more win, they'll, they'll make the playoffs.
- [30:20]
Shannon Sharpe
That'd be 10 and five.
- [30:22]
Ocho Cinco
Yep. And now Seattle theoretically could get to, could get to, could get the 11 wins. Atlanta could get the 10 wins. Arizona could get the 10 wins. But those are the teams that really control their destiny. Everybody else, the 49ers, the Cowboys, they need help because they can't get, they can't get the 10 wins. So you've got the hope, Ocho, you got the hope that you went out and then somebody else takes care of business, helps you Take care of your business. Right.
- [30:57]
Shannon Sharpe
But imagine. Imagine if this. I mean, hypothetically speaking, when you think about it, imagine the Cowboys get to the playoffs.
- [31:04]
Ocho Cinco
I ain't hypo and I ain't thetical, so it ain't happening.
- [31:10]
Shannon Sharpe
You just said it yourself. You just. You just named them as a team that can rely on other teams for something to happen or just mysteriously go their way where they happen to get in.
- [31:18]
Ocho Cinco
But here's the thing. They got. They got to go to Philly. Philly's trying to get the number one seed. They're not. I don't. I don't see them beating Philly. And Washington needs one more win. See if Washington gets another win. The Cowboys can't catch him.
- [31:32]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, it's a rap.
- [31:33]
Ocho Cinco
So all Washington has to do is get the 10 wins, and they can't. And, and, and the Cowboys can't catch them. Now, Green bay already has 10 wins. Minnesota has 12 wins. The Rams. See, the Rams, the thing, what they have is that they're in. That they're in a division. Now. It's going to be very, very interesting how it shapes out between the Rams, the Seahawks and the Cards. But if those team gets the 10 wins, it's over for Cowboys because the Cowboys can only get the nine.
- [32:05]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. And speaking of those three teams you just said Cardinal, Seahawks, or the Rams. I think the one team that no team. I don't care who you are, I don't care how good your defense is. I don't care what you say or what you're ranked statistically, offensively or defensively. You don't want to see the Rams offense in the postseason.
- [32:22]
Ocho Cinco
They look good. They look good.
- [32:23]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, you don't want to see that offense with both receivers back healthy.
- [32:27]
Ocho Cinco
No, the thing that's been really impressive about me is Kyron Williams ability to run the football. And so when he runs it, Ocho, guess what that means.
- [32:35]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [32:36]
Ocho Cinco
That play action opens up everything. Now you got Puka on the over. Now you got Cooper cup on the sale. Now you got Atwell. So you got guys that can make plays in the passing game and everything is predicated. That zone running scheme that, you know, hey, that was made famous by Mike Kyle runs it. Is that when you can run the football and now I can play action off of it. A linebacker's got to come up. They got to try to get down the field and stop that run.
- [33:06]
Shannon Sharpe
Got no choice.
- [33:07]
Ocho Cinco
Got no choice.
- [33:07]
Shannon Sharpe
Got no choice but to check. I call it. They got to check the dope because.
- [33:10]
Ocho Cinco
Somebody knocking Jalen Johnson said he was unaware that he did not have the captaincy on his jersey today when asked after the game. He's one of the eight captains that is worn to see in every other game. Said he would talk to Bears equipment manager Tony Meddling for an explanation.
- [33:28]
Shannon Sharpe
Why wouldn't he have it on there?
- [33:30]
Ocho Cinco
I don't know.
- [33:30]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm curious.
- [33:31]
Ocho Cinco
Hell, I thought, I thought, I thought it was all. Once you sew it on, it's already there. You know what, Ocho? Now maybe was this the first time they wore those jerseys? Because it seemed like Minnesota had a different color uniform.
- [33:43]
Shannon Sharpe
I don't know whether they had some ice white. Some ice white uniforms.
- [33:46]
Ocho Cinco
So maybe, maybe Chicago had those, what do they call it, color rush or something. But I'm thinking, Ocho, once you sew the captaincies on and you wear the jersey, I mean, what do you do?
- [34:00]
Shannon Sharpe
But hold on. They don't wear the same jerseys though, huh? What do you think? You think?
- [34:04]
Ocho Cinco
Oh, yeah. You wear the same jersey? Hell, yeah. Unless. Unless. Oh, no, I'm saying, Ocho, now obviously you have a home jersey. You have a weight jersey. Now, if it gets ripped or something like that, okay, maybe. Or if you give it away, you know what I'm saying, Ojo? Because you know, a lot of guys, they trade jersey, right? They trade jerseys after the game. But man, I mean, hell, I wore the same jersey because you can see. Well, they done stitch mine up. They done got. Had it torn. They done sold that thing up, man. Hey, hey, team, hey. That's why when you trade jerseys, at first, the teams covered that.
- [34:42]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, hell no.
- [34:42]
Ocho Cinco
These jerseys, like a hundred something dollars and y'all give them away every game. Oh, no, y'all better. This go. This 100 plus dollars. 200 gonna come at y'all. Check it is.
- [34:53]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Nah.
- [34:54]
Ocho Cinco
So, yeah, I can imagine. He looking down. He looked down and he said he didn't know that he didn't have the C on his jersey. And I'm glad because it just goes to show that, hey, he wasn't worried about that. He going out there to play football and try to win a game. I ain't worried about it. That's something. I don't know if he's being truthful or not, Ocho, but it lets me know. Look, I'm trying to win a game and we'll address this issue after the game.
- [35:20]
Shannon Sharpe
Listen, he came. He came. I don't know if you saw him dressed before the game, but he came. Dressed to play football. Yeah, he came.
- [35:26]
Ocho Cinco
Oh, he was the One that came up. Which one came like Frank Lucas.
- [35:29]
Shannon Sharpe
That was. That was.
- [35:30]
Ocho Cinco
Okay, that was him. Okay. He came back. Frank Lucas.
- [35:34]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, look like he looked like one of Detroit. Detroit players.
- [35:37]
Ocho Cinco
Now, you remember when Frank Lucas went to the. Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Friday, the exact same.
- [35:42]
Shannon Sharpe
Exact same coat and hat, and he.
- [35:44]
Ocho Cinco
Got his ass busted. Like, hold on, who is that with that outfit sitting that close to the ring?
- [35:50]
Shannon Sharpe
And that's exactly how he got caught up, because they didn't have. They had no clue who he was until you decided to step out and be flamboyant and that.
- [35:59]
Ocho Cinco
I mean. Cause think about what that cost. That's probably a hundred. That was probably like 50, 50, 75,000 back in the 70s. Do you know how much. That's probably about 3, 400,000.
- [36:10]
Shannon Sharpe
But that was chinchilla now.
- [36:12]
Ocho Cinco
Yes.
- [36:12]
Shannon Sharpe
You know how much chinchilla is today at today's market?
- [36:16]
Ocho Cinco
I'd have been chilly because I definitely wouldn't have had that coat on. I'd just been chill. Chilly.
- [36:20]
Shannon Sharpe
Hold on. Don't forget the hat now. Yes.
- [36:23]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
- [36:23]
Shannon Sharpe
Remember back in the day when my grand. I'm talking about my grandma, when my grandma used to go to her.
- [36:27]
Ocho Cinco
Oh, yeah. Oh, the old ladies always.
- [36:30]
Shannon Sharpe
Them hats.
- [36:31]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah, them deacon. Them deaconesses.
- [36:33]
Shannon Sharpe
What? Boy, ain't nobody want to see my grandma hat Game Boy. Oh, yeah, Nobody wants to see my grandma hat Game Boy. She had all type of. She had all type of shit.
- [36:41]
Ocho Cinco
We put my white, blue, black, red.
- [36:43]
Shannon Sharpe
She had a dress and a hat for every dressing heel and a clutch. Hey, play with it if you want to.
- [36:49]
Ocho Cinco
We put my grandma in the ground with a hat on. For real. She told my sister she want to be in a hat.
- [36:55]
Shannon Sharpe
Right? That's last.
- [36:56]
Ocho Cinco
She had a. She had a hat, her sunglasses. Yeah, everything. Yes, yes. Yes, sir. You never gonna see. Yeah, I don't remember. And like I said, I've never. I've never seen my grandmother go to church without a hat. Yeah, never. Yeah, and if she forgot it, you're gonna turn around and go get it. Yeah, very important. Go have that hat on. Them old ladies. The old lady. That was the thing. The old ladies wore half back then, but they were, you know, deaconesses or the sisters of the church.
- [37:27]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, hey, you know who had the best hat collection? The pastor wife.
- [37:32]
Ocho Cinco
Yes, absolutely. Whoever.
- [37:33]
Shannon Sharpe
The pastor wife. Oh, she.
- [37:34]
Ocho Cinco
Hey.
- [37:34]
Shannon Sharpe
She came stepping every Sunday.
- [37:36]
Ocho Cinco
Deaconess. My grandmother was mother of the church. So, you know, they had to get out. They had to get up there and they had to. They had to step. But yeah, so I. I Was what? I saw it on my feed, Ocho, on my igv. I just, you know, I just scrolled through and I was like, damn, dude. Got on that Frank Lucas get up. Because it looked exactly. If I didn't know better, he went to say, let me get the Frank who? Frank Lucas showed him a picture. Can you get me a coat and a hat? Look just like this? And that face.
- [38:08]
Shannon Sharpe
It's so funny. When they tweeted. When the Bears. When the Bears social media account tweeted it, I retweeted it back with a picture of Frank Lucas in the original picture.
- [38:17]
Ocho Cinco
Yes.
- [38:18]
Shannon Sharpe
Standing with everybody, with his wife and everything, with a comparison to them, like, well, ain't that about a bitch.
- [38:23]
Ocho Cinco
Yes, that's the exact ensemble. And that thing long, too.
- [38:26]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [38:27]
Ocho Cinco
Oh, that thing long. Now, you know, you.
- [38:32]
Shannon Sharpe
Huh?
- [38:32]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
- [38:32]
Shannon Sharpe
Huh.
- [38:33]
Ocho Cinco
You can get. You can get a jacket, or you can get the mid. Or you can get what they call the long.
- [38:38]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, like, you go long. You like. You from Detroit. Now you straight Detroit.
- [38:42]
Ocho Cinco
But see, that's what they had, them Stacey Adams, them Gators.
- [38:45]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, timeout. You know about Stacy Adams, man.
- [38:52]
Ocho Cinco
Come on, man. Now, you know them old man. Them Stacey Adams. Yeah, I went to church. The man had the Stacey Adam boot. You know they had them. Yeah, not fake cable about right here, Ocho. And they had them on rim socks.
- [39:04]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. It's so funny. Hold on, hold on. You're not. If I tell you, you're not gonna believe me. Hold on. If you tell him. Listen, hold on, hold on. I got the state. Seattle. Listen, you know, I roller skate. I roller skate heavy. Anybody in the chat that's from the west coast, specifically la, I have my Stacey Adams. They all read roller skates.
- [39:27]
Ocho Cinco
Okay.
- [39:28]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. With the small wheel. Yeah. If I don't show it to you, you'd be like, man, stop lying now. I don't know if I can zoom. I don't know if this picture.
- [39:38]
Ocho Cinco
Okay, yeah, I see it.
- [39:39]
Shannon Sharpe
Can you see that?
- [39:40]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah, yeah.
- [39:42]
Shannon Sharpe
Then my red skates made by skate fanatics. For those of you that are on Instagram. Skate fanatics on Instagram. My red Stacey Adams. So as soon as you said Stacey Adams, I thought to myself, wait a minute, I got some damn red Stacy Adams skates. Because they call them sliders in la. You know, you slide on the wood because the way the wheels are made, it allows you to slide smoothly instead of really have grip.
- [40:06]
Ocho Cinco
Well, you know, a slider is. A slider is a car. It's not your main car. It's your Secondary car.
- [40:19]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, but it's. It's a way. It's a style of. It's a style of skating, you know, normally known on the west coast for those that. That roll out that way. But, you know, I'm. I love skating. I love skating. I don't know how long you were in la, but I'm just saying if you. I'm not sure if you remember, it's no longer there now. Remember World on Wheels? I never heard of them, but.
- [40:37]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah, I know. I. I've never. I've never been.
- [40:39]
Shannon Sharpe
You gotta. You gotta think. When I was in Santa Monica, I was at World on wheels back in 97.
- [40:44]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
- [40:44]
Shannon Sharpe
Going to the sessions. 97, 98, in 99. And that's where my love for skating has started. And I still do it to this day. Hey, but anyway, we all off topic, but go ahead.
- [40:53]
Ocho Cinco
But I remember early 90s, we got. You had the. I don't know, Chad, if y'all remember, the Maurys, and I had Maury's. That was the Gators. And they came. You know, I had the black pair, I had a brown pair, a cognac pair. Come on, now. Everybody had. You know, you had purple, you had green, you had black, you had. Back then, the guys had a pair of gators to match every suit that they had. So if you wore black suit, you wore black Gators, you wore purple suit, you have purple Gators, you wore a green suit, you had green Gators, you wore a brown or a tan suit, you had Gators to match everybody, bro. You show up on the plane, 40 brothers with Mar on.
- [41:33]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey. Hey, Clean. Hey, Clean. Hey, Clean as the boy. Take that, Clean.
- [41:38]
Ocho Cinco
Hey, I know y'all. Hey, I don't know who. If y'all remember it, but every color of my. I don't even know if Mari still makes shoes. I'm sure they do, but everybody had those big. Had those big. And the square toe, Ocho. Because back then, everybody had to go like the old kicker. Like the straight old kickers had the square toe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody had the square toe. Mars. Yes.
- [42:00]
Shannon Sharpe
That's live. That's dope.
- [42:05]
Ocho Cinco
The Falcons survive in Las Vegas. 15 to 9. Desmond Ritter. Last second, Heaven to the end zone was. Interception intercepted. The raiders fall to 2 and 12. That's how you do it. Make like you're trying to win, Ocho. So you get no more pace. Nobody will say anything about it. The Falcons improve the seven. Seven, keep pace. They're one game behind the Buccaneers. That's why first cousin still Starting Falcons managed to stay within one game of Tampa Bay in the NFC South. Raheem Morrison, Kirk Cousins, he's got to play better. We, we have to find way, find a way to get him to play better. We have to play better. At the quarterback position. Atlanta's offense was pedestrian once again mustering 261 yards. Only 14 first downs. Cousins was finished on the night. 11 of 17, 112 yards and a touchdowns and an interception. Gotta stop turning the ball over, Ocho.
- [43:00]
Shannon Sharpe
That's what it is. He's on a horrible four horrible three or four game skid. As far as turning the ball up is concerned. The quarterback is what gives your chance, your team a chance to win. Period.
- [43:11]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
- [43:12]
Shannon Sharpe
And again when you play as bad as you do and the reason they won the game tonight is because you're playing against a very bad Raiders team.
- [43:18]
Ocho Cinco
It's true.
- [43:19]
Shannon Sharpe
You won tonight because you're playing against a bad Raiders team. If you're playing against anybody else, oh.
- [43:23]
Ocho Cinco
You had to hell beat out. You.
- [43:25]
Shannon Sharpe
You would got you, you would got your ass handed to you tonight. You know Kirk Cousins has to play bad. I'm not sure what you call it as a quarter as far as baseball is concerned for better context. He's in a. But this is a horrible slump. One that one that when it comes to baseball, it's just you in the pitcher. So you have to work on everything yourself. This one, you're the quarterback. You have 10 others to make sure you know what we gonna make sure you get it right. And you got 10 other people to help you do it. Now the only thing on your part is, is your goddamn decision making with the ball.
- [43:56]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
- [43:57]
Shannon Sharpe
You've been playing football long enough to know what's in front of you. You've been playing football long enough playing the quarterback position, long enough to be able to read your coverages, understanding the disguises that you're seeing before the snap of the ball, understanding where players are going to be after the snap of the ball, where these mistakes shouldn't be, shouldn't be being made by a savvy veteran like yourself. It just shouldn't. And again, the only reason they did the, I mean the Falcon, the only reason the Falcons didn't lose tonight is because you're playing the goddamn Raiders. That's it. And you know another thing on top of this, I'm hoping Mark Davis understanding that Antonio Pierce hasn't got a fair shot.
- [44:37]
Ocho Cinco
No, you ain't winning without a quarterback.
- [44:39]
Shannon Sharpe
He hasn't had a goddamn quarterback.
- [44:41]
Ocho Cinco
No.
- [44:41]
Shannon Sharpe
And it'd be totally unfair. I hope he. I hope he has the patience and understanding that, you know, in allowing Antonio Pierce to get a quarterback so they can build around him so they can have a chance to compete not only in that division, but along with the rest of the NFL as well, like other teams have done. If you look at. I'm not saying the Bears have their answer and Caleb Williams, they have to continue to build. But Jaden Daniels, you know, it's shown. But. Yeah, that's it. Bryce Young, you know, it's shown.
- [45:11]
Ocho Cinco
The Falcons did everything they could to try to take the ball out of Cuz's hand. They ran it 37 times. They only allowed him to throw at 17. So you see what they tried to do and they tried to make it simple because now we run it, now we play action off of it, but he's in a. He's in a horrible slump and. And right now he's, like, overthinking it. He's trying to aim the football. And I just don't know. I don't know if that's the correct way to get out of that funk that he's in. Yeah, but they still have a chance or, Joe, they have a chance to. To make the playoffs and win the division.
- [45:46]
Shannon Sharpe
Right? And that's why. That's why they haven't benched him. That's why they put Penning Jr. In there. That's why. That's it. Because they know. They know what Kirk can do. We know what Kirk can do. Listen, we've seen Kirk going on a goddamn run where he's a monster in the regular season. We, we. I mean, I've seen it. You've seen it, you know, but I, I just. I. I don't know when it's going to come be if, if we're going to get to the old Kirk that we used to seeing. Obviously, we can't call him playoff Kirk because when he has one playoff win. But at some point, when you turn it around. Let's turn it around for the good, right. For the good going forward because you got everything you need on offense. You know, Bijan is special. He's special.
- [46:24]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah. He had 22 carries tonight for a buck 25. Algier had 12 for 43 cousins, you know, sacks. But he ended up, you know, he got sacked three times for 19 yards. They had 168 yards rushing on 37 carries. You can live. You can live with that little. Four. About four and a half yards of carry, but 11 for 17. Bro, I'm paying this man. I'm paying this man 50 mil a year. And this man gave me 11 or 17. But Ocho, at the place that we're here right now, I got. I. Hey, I gotta take this. I gotta. I can't. I can't trust him. I don't trust him full hearted. I got. I took the key back. You know, it's an old lady. I took the key back. Ojo. Nah, you let me know when you coming. You just can't come and come as you. You just can't come and go as you please. Kirk Cousins, we just not going to allow you to willy nilly just throw the football all over the field.
- [47:16]
Shannon Sharpe
Right, Right.
- [47:17]
Ocho Cinco
You've shown me some things that says that I shouldn't trust you, so I like that. Yeah. Yeah. Adam Sheffield reporting. Mark Davis had a chance to stand behind Antonio Pierce at the owner's meeting and he didn't. It didn't sound like he's an absolute lock to be back with the Raiders at all. Ocho, will the Raiders bring Antonio Pierce back next season?
- [47:40]
Shannon Sharpe
I just talked about that. Out the blue, Mark Davis. What are we doing? What are we doing?
- [47:46]
Ocho Cinco
Mark is like his dad, Ocho. He likes names. If you go back and look at. If you go back and look at what his dad Al, look at his hires. He likes the flashing. Now he's gonna do like he hired John Mann at a very young age. You go, he went and he fired a art shell. The first black head coach in the modern era. You look at, he make a big splash with John Gruden. He makes a splash with Lane Kippen. That's what he tends. That's what he likes that and his son is just like the old man. He likes names. One of the reasons why I'm surprised that they didn't give Belichick a call because that's a big name. But Tom, I believe Brady is going to have. So I don't believe. Do I believe Antonio Pierce has been given fair? Fair is where you judge pigs. You can eat cotton candy, ride the merry go round. That's what a fair is.
- [48:40]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [48:41]
Ocho Cinco
But in this situation, I believe Tom is going to have a lot of say on whether Antonio Pierce stays or goes. And he, Tom, is going to survey the land. There's a reason why they gave this guy. They gave him an opportunity to have ownership stake because they wanted to have some say in who the head coach is going to be. So could I see a scenario where Antonio Pierce is not back next year? 1,700 million percent.
- [49:09]
Shannon Sharpe
Damn. I don't like that. Huh? I don't like that. As a former player, you understand what it takes. I do. A blind man that can't see understands what it takes to win as a team in the NFL or what it starts with. It always starts with the quarterback position. If you don't have a quarterback, you're going to have hell trying to compete week in and week out. Everybody knows that. Even if you're a casual fan of the game and don't enjoy it that much, you know, it starts at a quarterback position. They haven't had that at all. At all. And it's been a while, maybe three or four years. I'm not sure how long it's been since Derek Carr left. But they haven't found the answer and the centerpiece to be able to build around.
- [49:48]
Ocho Cinco
Yes.
- [49:49]
Shannon Sharpe
Now this is the upcoming draft. Now we gonna have that. We gonna have that. Going to get names. What is going to get names Gonna do, huh? You have a coach already and Antonio Pierce that the players resonate with. No different than Dan Campbell. I'm not comparing the two as far as coaching is concerned. I'm talking about former players that played the game that the players will be able to relate to. That is young, you know, I just like, I don't, I don't know. As an owner, they, they think differently. Him saying, oh, I want to get big name just to say and make a splash for what?
- [50:21]
Ocho Cinco
Because it's about what you have in.
- [50:23]
Shannon Sharpe
That locker room and having someone who's going to be a leader of men in a position of power that can get everything out of those players. And you have that with Antonio Pierce. But the only issue is I ain't got nobody. Ain't got. Hell, it's like having a car with no steering wheel that, that'll go, you could go, but you can't go where you want to because you ain't got to steal with.
- [50:45]
Ocho Cinco
I think, Ocho, the thing is what makes it difficult for Las Vegas and LA markets is that you have a lot of transient. What I mean by that, Ocho? There are not a lot of homegrown people in la. Not a whole lot of homegrown people in Vegas. And so unless you win, they're not coming. There's too much to do in Las Vegas, there's too much to do in Los Angeles. So what I got to do, I got to get a. I got to get a, a Sean McVate, a 30 something year old. And. And you see what they do, they go for it every Year, they go out and get. They. They make the trade for Matthew Stafford, they make the trade for J. Ram, they go, hey, they go all in. They go get a Von Miller, they go get a Leonard Floyd. Hey, we don't care. We going all in because we gotta win. There's too much going on in la. I could be at Malibu, I can be at Santa Monica, I can be eating on a deck. I can be. I can be at the Ivy. There's too much going on for me to sit my ass in confines of a stadium. And we lose it. Now if you. The Dodgers. The Dodgers have been there for such a long time. The Lakers, a staple. They've been there for a long time. But not football team. In Las Vegas, you just got a football team, what, three, four years ago. And most of the time, a lot of the fans, hey, the casinos, they let the rollers get those tickets. And we not winning. I ain't going. Cause first of all, the Raiders, not even my team. I like the Steelers, I like the Broncos, or I like this team, I like that team. That's why when you go to. I don't know if you've ever been to Sofi, when the Rams play, the polar team always have more fans than the Rams.
- [52:33]
Shannon Sharpe
Right?
- [52:34]
Ocho Cinco
Same thing with Las Vegas. And so you got to win or you got to have something to draw the fans in to make them want to come watch your show.
- [52:45]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, you know, I'm just thinking a sporting event in general. Obviously, there's no football team in Vegas outside of the. You know, you have college, you have the UNLV Rebels. I'm not sure if they have a.
- [52:55]
Ocho Cinco
They got a hockey. They got. They're about to have the four major sports. They got.
- [52:58]
Shannon Sharpe
They got night the nights. They got the nights.
- [53:00]
Ocho Cinco
They got hockey, they're about to get a basketball team. Baseball is coming in a couple of years. They got a. They got a woman's basketball. They got a woman's basketball.
- [53:09]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay.
- [53:10]
Ocho Cinco
And they got football. So they got the four major sports.
- [53:13]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, but I'm just thinking outside of the events, the excursion. Not excursion. I don't think excursion is the right word. Some of the things you can do. You got the spear. You got the spear. The casinos, you have.
- [53:25]
Ocho Cinco
Coming to Vegas. I'm coming to Vegas to gamble. I'm coming to Vegas to gamble. Get effing married. I ain't coming to watch those sports.
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Shannon Sharpe
No, you. Hey, no, listen. The football game. A football game is a good. That's a good thing to plan. If you're going to Vegas. Along with what you just said. Listen, I'm going to get married. I'm going to get hitched, you know. Oh, that gives me a good idea. But anyway, you're going to. You're going to Vegas. You're going to get hits, right?
- [53:47]
Ocho Cinco
Yes.
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Shannon Sharpe
You think about it. You're going to gamble. You're going to. You're going to one of them goddamn shows. One of them shows?
- [53:53]
Ocho Cinco
Yes.
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Shannon Sharpe
Blue Man Group. I don't know what it may be, but having a football game because I'm in Vegas on the goddamn schedule. It's perfect. It don't get no better than that. If it's hockey season, hell, the Knights ain't there for the height. Just the height. The Knights. The Knights just won a Stanley cup not too long ago.
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Ocho Cinco
Yeah, they're good.
- [54:12]
Shannon Sharpe
They're good. They're competitive.
- [54:15]
Ocho Cinco
Hey, look, I'm going to a show. I'm gonna get married. Yeah. I'm gonna gamble. They got really good food out here, so. The buffet. Oh, yeah. And you better eat now. You know what? Hopefully I can make the football game, because, you know, football is played on Sunday. Do you know how the people are on Saturday night? They gambling and they're drinking.
- [54:41]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. All day, all night.
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Ocho Cinco
Now, what helps, matter of fact, if the game is at 1, like, 115, 120.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. I got another one for you. You might not know about this, man. You ever been to the Spearman Rhino? No.
- [54:53]
Ocho Cinco
I've heard of it, but I've never been.
- [54:55]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, you know, okay, how about. How about. How about Girl Collection? Floyd Mayweather Spot?
- [54:59]
Ocho Cinco
I haven't been to Floyd Spot. I've been to Sapphire a couple times.
- [55:03]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay. Okay. Sapphire, I like that color. That's a beautiful gemstone. Yeah, but have you been.
- [55:07]
Ocho Cinco
I like what was in there. Yeah, they had a lot of different. They had some sapphires, they had some emeralds, they had some rubies.
- [55:13]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay. Okay, hold on. You ever listen when he was in kid? Right in my kindergarten class, we had a bunny. We had a bunny in my class. And the name of my bunny was Carl. Never forget Carl. And as I got older in life, I flew to Vegas and I learned about the Bunny Ranch. Yeah, I never been to the Bunny Ranch. You never been there?
- [55:31]
Ocho Cinco
Nope.
- [55:32]
Shannon Sharpe
Nope. Okay, I'm gonna get you a coupon because they got coupon for 20 off at the Bunny Ranch.
- [55:36]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah. When I was in school, they had some bunnies in our class, too, but their name wasn't called what their name was Susan, so. But like I said, bruh, 2 and 12. And look, we know. Sometimes, look, 2 and 12. I mean, look at the quarterback that they gave one year. They gave him Jimmy G. Yeah. Then you had. I don't even know who to start. Oh, Gardner Mitchell started, and then you had Aiden O'Connell, and now you got Doug Maritter. It's just like. So it's a bad situation. I wouldn't wish this on any. Wish this on anybody. Because the thing that you don't want, Ocho, is to lose hope where you don't have any chance of winning. You don't, and it's bad.
- [56:44]
Shannon Sharpe
I got a question.
- [56:45]
Ocho Cinco
Yes.
- [56:46]
Shannon Sharpe
What happened to Garoppolo? What happened to the Garoppolo that we saw when he was a backup to Tom Brady? And some. Some words were exchanged behind closed doors where Garoppolo was playing so well, where Brady felt he was a threat? You need to get him out of here so I don't have to look over my shoulder, because the backup that we have, there's a chance he might take my spot. No different than when Drew Bledsoe got hurt.
- [57:11]
Ocho Cinco
Yes.
- [57:12]
Shannon Sharpe
When Mo Williams hit him and I came in and Drew never got his shot back.
- [57:16]
Ocho Cinco
Well, that was not a threat. That was Coach Belichick. Coach Belichick really believed in Jimmy G. And the thing is that you get that a lot. I want to prove that I can win a championship without you. And all of a sudden, it became a race to see who can win the super bowl first. Would Coach Belichick win without Tom, or would Tom win without Coach Belichick? Well, we know the answer to that. And so now everybody says, look, I mean, there are people that said they won because of Tom. People say they won because of Coach Belichick. Well, Tom went somewhere else and won. Tom went somewhere. So I think we have an answer. And you get that a lot. And that's the hardest thing, Ocho. When you have that level of success, it ain't good enough to say we both responsible for it. Nah. I need 51%. Now. If you concede, give me 51%. You take 49. We gonna be okay. Yeah. But as long as there's a possibility that you might get more credit. I don't get it. Because at that point in time, Tom was still playing really, really good. And I get it. But as we start to age, we need more help. Ocho. It's just the same. It's just like as we start to age, we start to need help. We have to write things down. We. Our recall isn't what it once was. As you get older and older, you might need help getting around. But even as great players, you need help. Because where you used to elevate everybody, now you need those guys to elevate.
- [58:58]
Shannon Sharpe
You, elevate you right. It's no different as you get older. Sometimes you have to take them roast fogs because you need help.
- [59:06]
Ocho Cinco
Now when you write I ain't gonna say you're wrong. Ain't gonna say you wrong.
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Ocho Cinco
Lions lose David Montgomery for the season Ocho, how long can the Lions withstand this avalanche of injuries?
- [62:59]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, listen, I don't think you can replace David Montgomery. You can't replace what he's meant for that offense. You can't replace what he's meant for that running game. Obviously, they were a great compliment to each other, Gibbs and Montgomery. I think, I'm not sure what they're going to do. I'm sure again, this is, this is the situation where it's the next man up, but I don't think the next man up will be David Montgomery. I think they would be adequate to the offense and they will be put in positions to make the plays, to make the runs and try to replicate the production that David Montgomery brought to that offense. But I think brother Jameer Gibbs is going to have to carry it. He going to have to show the load and do a little bit more than what was asked as before and I think he's capable of doing so. And I'm not sure who the number two will be.
- [63:49]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah, I don't know because all I know about them because they get all the carries. So I don't know. I don't know who.
- [63:54]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah, it's going to be somebody. I'm not sure who. And when it comes to the running back, you never bring someone off the, you know, off the street. Yeah, not really.
- [64:05]
Ocho Cinco
Right. Because you probably got, I'm sure they got somebody on the practice squad.
- [64:10]
Shannon Sharpe
Right.
- [64:11]
Ocho Cinco
Because I think running back is the easiest position to transition Right. From college, from. From high school to college, from college to pro. Because the hardest thing for a running back to pick up is blitz, protection, pass block.
- [64:23]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [64:24]
Ocho Cinco
As far as eyes, if you have vision, if you have balance, that's there. But knowing who to block, how to block them, that seemed to be the problem with a lot of running backs and what they struggle with. Amon Ross St. Brown brought Prada suits for the entire line's receivers room. Ocho, what's the best gift you gave, you've ever gave or gift you received in the locker room?
- [64:50]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, that's a good one right there, un. I ain't, I ain't really. Never, never really received no gifts like that, especially in our time. During our tenure. We didn't have enough. We didn't win enough. Un. Where gifts were really needed, you know, we. We didn't win enough, you know, during my time outside of one season. And I think if, if, if we won enough, then gifts would have been passed out for, for, for certain positions. You know, I was able to reach this milestone because of y'all, because of this specific route or me giving Carson something nice because Carson didn't buy the.
- [65:25]
Ocho Cinco
Offensive lineman because normally the offensive lineman always.
- [65:28]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah, quarterback, quarterback, always, especially. Hey, well, that 2005, that 2005 season, I can't remember what Carson bought, but I'm sure he bought that offensive line something because. Oh, but our offense was unbelievable that year. I don't know what the hell was happening that year, but if there was something, you know, I can't remember, obviously, because it's been too long, but I remember Carson buying something to follow the offensive linemen for what they, for what they had been doing, you know, that, that season that we were on fire offensively.
- [65:56]
Ocho Cinco
I, my 93, I was first team all pro. I was named starter of the. I was a starting tight end for the AFC and I had a $10,000 if I made the Pro bowl bonus. Right, right. And I went and bought the offensive lineman. I bought them all Rolexes. Stainless steel Rolexes.
- [66:17]
Shannon Sharpe
Whoa, wait, hold on now.
- [66:20]
Ocho Cinco
Yep.
- [66:21]
Shannon Sharpe
Wait, how much was the Rolex?
- [66:25]
Ocho Cinco
It was stainless steel. Like $2500.
- [66:28]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I was getting ready to say, because you got me thinking about Rolexes today and you know, I'm thinking about, damn, that's 60, 60,000 a piece.
- [66:40]
Ocho Cinco
Talking about. And she ain't never had a watch on a day of life. Not an apple watch, not a Mickey Mouse, not a tie where you watch it. I've noticed. I've Noticed I know this woman. Nine years. I've never seen Ash with a watch up. Hey, Ash. What time is it? This is what she does. 9:39. Look at her. Look at her phone.
- [67:03]
Shannon Sharpe
You got the phone?
- [67:05]
Ocho Cinco
Yes. That's why. I mean most people, A lot of people tell time. I don't agree. I don't think. Oh yeah. Because I've always have a watch on. So unless I'm working out. But yeah, I. I don't really ever look at. Look at my phone to get the time. I just look. Look down at my wrist. But you know, but I mean I've never. I'm trying to think. Did I do anything else? No, that was it. And I was like, Damn, that little $10,000 would have came in handy. Yeah, it was gone. But nah, it was just that I was just so. Bro, I was so. I was just so excited because at that point in time, me and my brother were starters in the Pro Bowl. We both was like first team all Pro. So I feel, I feel. Hey, hey, hey, hey.
- [67:54]
Shannon Sharpe
What? That's what that feel like, man. What that feel like? I'm just curious. I think about. I think about all the brothers that played yeah man game and made it to the to. Can you imagine what it feels like to be, you know, a Moss brother? You know, Santana Sonoris or Kelsey.
- [68:07]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
- [68:08]
Shannon Sharpe
You know, I mean the Sharps. I mean that gotta be. Yeah, I gotta be an awesome feeling, man, for. For the Boses. Like to have your brother, man, to go through life and you know, this journey, sometimes it's a little different and. And you make it to the pinnacle of your childhood dream and. Oh, that's. Oh, that's blast.
- [68:30]
Ocho Cinco
I mean to like to see my brother over there and he was so bad. He was so happy like. Cause I called him and told him. I said, I like. Cause you know, we found out that morning and so like lunch break. I called him. Say, man, I made the provost. I'm starting. Yeah, that dude lost his mind.
- [68:53]
Shannon Sharpe
That's a good feeling. Boy, I know you were hyped. Oh, I know you were hyped.
- [68:57]
Ocho Cinco
I could imagine because he took me over his. In 90. He made it 89. He was first team all pro. He led the league in catches and he took me over and so I was a rookie and to get an opportunity to be around all those guys. So now I get to meet, you know, all the guys are over there. And you know, back then it was at the Hilton Hawaiian Village. Yeah.
- [69:20]
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- [69:20]
Ocho Cinco
And so the Hilton Hawaiian Village is. You set up is a little different because it's access and everybody can just. Just walk up. And so, you know, that's. That's good and bad, if you know what I mean, don't. Yo.
- [69:33]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
- [69:36]
Ocho Cinco
You know. You know, just saying. And so. But yeah, it was. It was an unbelievable honor, you know, and that year, I'm trying to think. No, because my sister went the first two years. She went in 89 and went 90. Did she go back? Yeah, she went. She went back in 92. She went back. So she went in 89. The first year I didn't go because I was getting ready for the East, West, Shrine Game, all that stuff. She went 90. And then when we both went 92, I was the first alternate and Keith Jackson didn't go, so I went. That was my first Pro Bowl. And she went again. And after that, So I went 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98. She's like, nah, I'm good. Because, I mean, all she would do, she just ordered room service. She came. She would come down the first day. So that Monday, everybody gets there, shoot down, meet everybody. After that, she really didn't come down anymore. She just ordered room service. She's like, nah, she's just like, it's too far to fly, right? And so, you know, she never.
- [70:40]
Shannon Sharpe
That's a long. That's a long flight, boy. Because once you get to la, you still got another five hours.
- [70:45]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah. And, you know, she was coming.
- [70:46]
Shannon Sharpe
She was coming from outside of that, especially on the East Coast.
- [70:50]
Ocho Cinco
So she had to fly from Savannah to Atlanta, Atlanta to either la, San Diego or San Francisco. Sometimes we had a. They had a stop off in. In Dallas and fly there. So she's like, nah, she's like, I'm good. I'm gonna let y'all have it. So, yeah, then I started, like. But then I took my coaches, so I always took my position coach. So that was every year. And then I ended up taking. When I went to. So after I made it, I had different position coaches. So every year, the position coach, Les Steckle, was always. He's gonna be one of my favorite. He's always probably my favorite position coach. I would always take him, even though he was no longer my coach. So I would take him and Brian Perriani. So now I go to Baltimore. I make it in Baltimore, So now I gotta take. I take the position coach. So it was great because I appreciate what they had done, because everybody had taught me something different. Everybody worked with me. Everybody really helped me become the player that I became. And that was one way that I could show them that I appreciated it. And I invited them all because. But all of them were, at the time were still. Except. Except Steckle. Steckle was. Was. He wasn't coaching, but BP was coaching. And I'm trying to think what was. My man, what's. My coach? Wade. Wade Harmon was my position coach. Was my position coach in Baltimore. And he was still coaching. But it was a. It was a great honor to bring him out, fly them out, put him up. Spent a lot of money. That's. That's what. That's what my. My, my. That was the only time, Ocho, in 93 that I had. That I had incentives in my contract.
- [72:36]
Shannon Sharpe
Right, right, right, right.
- [72:37]
Ocho Cinco
And after I got screwed out of that 100 bands, I was like, I've never put incentives in my contract again because y'all can control that. And plus, I believe being the player that I am, I should lead the team and receive it. I should go to the Pro Bowl. I should be an All Pro. Y'all paying me this money. No, I don't need no more incentive. Trust me. I'm more.
- [72:56]
Shannon Sharpe
I don't. I. I don't. I don't need to be incentivized to do my goddamn job.
- [73:00]
Ocho Cinco
No, no, no, no. Ocho. Aziz Shahir hit on Trevor Lawrence. Voided his $9 million guarantee for his 2025 salary due to the three game suspension. Al Shazir. Yeah. Alzier. Al Shier. Shair. Okay. Alzi. Alzee. Alzee. Al Shair also missed out on $300 worth of gain checks. An extremely costly play.
- [73:34]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, very costly. And the fact that it affects that. That 9 million in 2025, you know.
- [73:40]
Ocho Cinco
Guarantee, you know, Joe.
- [73:41]
Shannon Sharpe
Guarantee. Yeah. That's unbelievable, huh?
- [73:44]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah. And you know, in Texas, they ain't got no state tax.
- [73:48]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. That's crazy, huh? You know, that's. That's very crazy when you think about it, in. In hindsight, the game of football, on where it. Where. Where it has gone to where it is now, as opposed to where it was when we played in our day. You know, that's crazy. Not.
- [74:07]
Ocho Cinco
They.
- [74:07]
Shannon Sharpe
They're not. They're not playing by their money.
- [74:09]
Ocho Cinco
They're not playing. Hey, they. Hey, they.
- [74:11]
Shannon Sharpe
Not. They're not playing. The NFL is covering their ass because there will never be another lawsuit.
- [74:15]
Ocho Cinco
Nope.
- [74:16]
Shannon Sharpe
Make sure we gonna dot all our eyes and cross all our T's because there won't be another ERA to come back and sue us 10 years down the line or 20 years down the line and win. Nope, that ain't happening.
- [74:29]
Ocho Cinco
Nope, not again. Why you think that's why I understand they cut out all those videos you remember they used to have jacked up and hard.
- [74:38]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. It was, it was, it was, it was well promoted. Well promoted. And it. Because it was a part of the game. Now they want it out, and they love that. They love to call this, you know, player safety. I understand what you're trying to do. You're trying to protect that shield.
- [74:56]
Ocho Cinco
Oh, yeah.
- [74:57]
Shannon Sharpe
You try to protect that money. You know, I understand it. I understand it totally.
- [75:03]
Ocho Cinco
The Bengals. Ocho, you guys still have a milks chance. 2%. This is how the Bengals get into the playoffs. The Bengals need to win out. Need the Colts to lose one of their next three games. They need the Dolphins to lose one of the next three games. They need the Broncos to lose out.
- [75:24]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, to lose out, the Broncos got to lose out.
- [75:27]
Ocho Cinco
Yep.
- [75:28]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay. Can you do me a favor? Can you tell me the Broncos next three games now, do they need to lose every game?
- [75:33]
Ocho Cinco
Every game. Lose out. That's what lose out mean.
- [75:36]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I, I, I, I know what it mean, but I just, I just don't like the Broncos are playing so well offensively and defensively. I don't see them losing out. Now, some of them, they play y'all.
- [75:44]
Ocho Cinco
They got. They play y'all. They got. They got. They play Thursday night. They play the Chargers. They play y'all, and then they close off the season with the Chiefs.
- [75:52]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, now there's a good chance. Yeah, you know what? There's a good chance. Y'all do go on three, now that I think about it. That's for one. I'm gonna tell you right now, when the Bangers play the Broncos, we finna beat y'all ass. And when we go on the show that night, I don't want to hear you say foot or ball at all.
- [76:08]
Ocho Cinco
I'm telling you who y'all got. Who they got? I think y'all got the race. Do y'all know y'all replace. Y'all got the Steelers. Do y'all got the Steelers again?
- [76:15]
Shannon Sharpe
I think we have the Steelers one more time. If I'm not.
- [76:17]
Ocho Cinco
Y'all got the Steelers. The Broncos.
- [76:21]
Shannon Sharpe
Who we close off with?
- [76:22]
Ocho Cinco
Y'all got Browns, Broncos, Steelers.
- [76:26]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah, we. Hey, there's a. You talk about a 2% chance. Forget 2%. There's a whole milk. There's a whole milk chance that we go to the playoffs and we squeeze in a little wild card spot. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I believe. I believe in my bangles. I believe in us because the number nine. I believe in us because of Uno and goddamn T. Higgins. Now our issue, which has always been especially this goddamn season, is our defense. They happen to be our Achilles heel this year. I'm not sure why. I'm not sure why. I don't know what's going on. But if we happen to get into the playoffs, I don't know what we going to do defensively. I know what the hell we going to do offensively. I know 1 and 5 gonna give us. I know what Chase Brown gonna give us. I know one thing. We gotta score 50. We gotta score 50. We gotta score fifty. It makes it other team score 45. That's. That's it.
- [77:17]
Ocho Cinco
All I know we're gonna go ahead and see what. We're gonna put y'all out y'all misery on Thursday when we beat the Chargers.
- [77:25]
Shannon Sharpe
Hold on. So if y'all beat the charges, that mean we out completely and no other circumstance.
- [77:31]
Ocho Cinco
But see, that was the scenario. Y'all need all of those scenarios.
- [77:37]
Shannon Sharpe
Damn. Hey, you know what? I. I don't. I don't. I honestly, I don't. Just. Just the thought of it, like it could be another episode of me being emotional on camera again. And that's something I don't think I can take. I can't.
- [77:54]
Ocho Cinco
I like it. I like it like that. Hey, Hell dog, the volume.
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