Nightcap - Hour 1: Celtics sold for $6Bil + Penny Hardaway joins the show

Summary

Club Shay Shay Podcast Summary

Podcast Information

• Title: Club Shay Shay
• Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts, The Volume, and Shay Shay Media
• Description: NFL legend Shannon Sharpe—3x Super Bowl champion and member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame—sits down with the biggest athletes, celebrities, and influencers to discuss their accomplishments, challenges, and everything in-between.
• Episode: Nightcap - Hour 1: Celtics Sold for $6Bil + Penny Hardaway Joins the Show
• Release Date: March 23, 2025

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1. Major News: Boston Celtics Sold for $6.1 Billion

The episode opens with Shannon Sharpe breaking significant sports news regarding the sale of the Boston Celtics.

• Shannon Sharpe ([06:05]): "The Boston Celtics will have a new owner for the first time in more than two decades. Bill Chisum, the managing partner of Symphony Technology Group, will buy the franchise at a price of $6.1 billion."

This sale marks the highest price ever paid for a North American sports franchise, surpassing previous records such as the Washington Commanders' $6.05 billion sale in 2023 and the Phoenix Suns’ $4 billion acquisition by Matt Ishbia the same year.

• Shannon Sharpe ([06:05]): "The sale price is the largest for a North American SP franchise, topping the $6.05 billion the group led by Josh Harris paid for the Washington Commanders."

2. Guest Introduction: Penny Hardaway Joins the Show

Penny Hardaway, a renowned NBA legend and current head coach of the Memphis Tigers, joins Shannon Sharpe to discuss various topics ranging from sports franchise ownership to coaching philosophies.

3. Aspirations in Sports Franchise Ownership

Penny Hardaway elaborates on his ambitions to own multiple sports franchises, expressing his desire to purchase both NBA and NFL teams.

• Penny Hardaway ([06:10]): "Not only would I buy a sports franchise, I'm buying three sports franchises."

He specifically mentions his interest in acquiring Napoli, an Italian soccer team, and the Miami Heat, highlighting his passion for sports management and team development.

• Penny Hardaway ([07:32]): "I'm going to buy Napoli. I want to own a franchise. Do everything I went do everything in my power, bringing in all types of players."

4. Coaching Philosophy and Player Development

The conversation shifts to Penny’s approach to coaching, emphasizing his commitment to player development and fostering a respectful, collaborative team environment.

• Shannon Sharpe ([20:15]): "Penny, how do you have the patience to realize that, you know what, these guys probably not gonna be pe harder way?"

• Penny Hardaway ([22:08]): "I put them in positions to win offensively and I put them in positions to win as a group defensively. So it's all about team and then their individual gifts that they have."

Penny discusses the importance of understanding each player's strengths and weaknesses, tailoring his coaching strategies to maximize team performance.

5. Impact of Injuries on Athletic Careers

Penny Hardaway shares his personal experiences with injuries, particularly focusing on his knee issues that required multiple surgeries.

• Penny Hardaway ([28:24]): "I had 70 surgeries altogether. But the last one was microfracture. That was it."

• Shannon Sharpe ([30:04]): "You got to know when you play, you got to know your surroundings."

Penny reflects on how these injuries affected his playing career and his transition into coaching, emphasizing resilience and adaptation.

6. Reflections on NBA Career and Transition to Coaching

Penny delves into his transition from being an NBA player to a college coach, discussing the challenges and unexpected aspects of this career shift.

• Penny Hardaway ([26:09]): "Nah, not really. I was gonna be in TV. I was gonna go to ESPN, TNT and do that thing."

• Kirk ([26:50]): "Because you don't see it like you. You want them to see it like you."

He highlights the importance of mentorship, continuous learning, and fostering a supportive environment for his players.

7. Current Sports Analysis: Lakers vs. Nuggets Game

Towards the latter part of the episode, Shannon and Penny analyze a recent Lakers versus Nuggets game, discussing player performances and team strategies.

• Shannon Sharpe ([39:09]): "Luca 31 points, nine rebounds, seven assists. He had a twenty-point quarter and a twenty-point half."

• Penny Hardaway ([40:26]): "I mean, it was impressive. Luca set the tone for the game."

They critique the Lakers' gameplay, highlighting both strengths and areas needing improvement, such as player rotation and defensive strategies.

8. Concluding Remarks and Final Thoughts

The episode wraps up with reflections on the discussed topics, reinforcing the importance of strategic planning in sports management and personal growth through challenges.

• Shannon Sharpe ([54:00]): "Sometimes you go inside and see what’s happening. It's a whole lot of work to get done on the interior."

• Penny Hardaway ([54:17]): "Everyone that has been a part of my life in any facet has been phenomenal. They’ve been phenomenal in my growth as a man, as a father."

Penny emphasizes the value of mentorship and the continuous journey of personal and professional development.

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Notable Quotes:

• Shannon Sharpe ([06:05]): "The sale price is the largest for a North American SP franchise, topping the $6.05 billion the group led by Josh Harris paid for the Washington Commanders."

• Penny Hardaway ([07:32]): "I'm going to buy Napoli. I want to own a franchise. Do everything I went do everything in my power, bringing in all types of players."

• Penny Hardaway ([22:08]): "I put them in positions to win offensively and I put them in positions to win as a group defensively."

• Penny Hardaway ([26:09]): "I was gonna be in TV. I was gonna go to ESPN, TNT and do that thing."

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Conclusion

This episode of "Club Shay Shay" provides an in-depth discussion on the historic sale of the Boston Celtics, Penny Hardaway’s aspirations in sports franchise ownership, his coaching philosophy, and reflections on his career. Shannon Sharpe and Penny engage in a candid conversation, offering valuable insights into sports management, player development, and overcoming personal challenges. The episode is a blend of business acumen, personal anecdotes, and strategic sports analysis, making it a must-listen for sports enthusiasts and aspiring athletes alike.

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[Penny Hardaway]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So in other words, what they call in business 20x?

[Penny Hardaway]

Yeah, most definitely, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oo if you had, if you had, let's say 10 billion, talk to me, would you got $10 million? Would you buy a sports.

[Penny Hardaway]

Not only would I buy a sports franchise, I'm buying three sports franchises and I'm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What, what, what, which one? Where?

[Penny Hardaway]

I'm gonna tell you where I'm gonna go. First of all, you listen to me. Okay, Stay with me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm listening.

[Penny Hardaway]

If I had $10 billion for one, I'm going to talk to Mike Brown and Katie and Duke Tobin.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That happen, go somewhere else. That family, mom and pop, they ain't selling that boom.

[Penny Hardaway]

So if I can't get that, I'm going to Naples, Italy. I'm going to buy Napoli. You know, my love, enthusiastic passion for the game of soccer and the beautiful game. I want to. Oh, I want to own a franchise. I don't want to be a minority owner. I'm talking about majority owner. I want to own Napoli, do everything I went do everything in my power, bringing in all type of players, you know, because I'm going to have the money. I'm going to have the money to get the kind of team I want, bring in superstars. Second thing I'm going to do, I'm going to buy the Miami Heat. I'm going to buy the Miami Heat.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You think Mick Harrison goes, hold on. You just saw what the Celtics went for. How much money you think you have to spend to get Napoli?

[Penny Hardaway]

Oh, to get Napoli. Oh, that's a good one. I'm not sure how much that franchise and the NDC would cost me, but again, I'm going to get the Miami Heat. I'm going to have to remove Pat Riley because Pat Riley's way of doing things isn't conducive for business with today's era of players. And this is Miami. This is Miami. And players don't want to come play in Miami. Miami is a melting pot for ethnicities and culture. How does nobody want to come play here? No superstars. Listen, we got Bam. We got Tyler Herron.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You drafted them again.

[Penny Hardaway]

I understand that, but we can't get any superstars here. We need. We need one more Jimmy left. So, boom. That's two Napoli in the Miami Heat. Now I'm not sure how much I'm gonna have left over because I don't know how much Napoli would cost me. Chad, you would probably know better than I can because you can do your homework for me real quick while I be talking about it. And the rest of that I'm gonna sit on and I'm open up a cigar lounge.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, my goodness.

[Penny Hardaway]

Oh, that's it. 980 mil.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you got. So you gotta. So basically they go, they're gonna probably up charge, so 10. So they gonna charge you a billion. So you get a chart, they're gonna charge you a bit. A billion. 1.1. Okay, so now you got 8.9. Okay. NFL. You want to get an NFL?

[Penny Hardaway]

You told me I can't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't.

[Penny Hardaway]

What about the Dolphin? You think Stephen Ross will sell me the Dolphins?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He might. He might be willing to sell you a majority.

[Penny Hardaway]

How much are we talking about? With a majority share of the Dolphins, what you think?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Probably somewhere between two and a half and three.

[Penny Hardaway]

That's done that. That is done. And listen, I'm manifesting this. I'm manifesting this. I hope from my mouth to God's ears, maybe it can happen, maybe it won't. I could. Let me dream big. I could dream big. If I shoot for the moon and I fall short, ain't no telling what's gonna happen, right?

[Kirk]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Normally, Ocho, if. If like a family owned business, there need to be internal. Internal chaos. We saw that with the bowlings. They ended up selling. They ended up selling the franchise. But if there's not chaos, like, I don't believe the Cowboys will ever go for sale. Jerry Jones gonna have that in his trust that the Cowboys are never. Now once he's gone, I mean, hey, I'm just saying. But like, like Mike Brown, that's it. His dad, his dad started that franchise after he got. After he got out of the Cleveland because he started. That's where the Browns get their name from. And now he went to, you know, art model inspired him and so forth and so on. Mr. Modell brought the team and then he started the Bengals. Me personally, Ocho, I don't believe they'll sell it.

[Penny Hardaway]

They wouldn't. But it just, it's just a thought. It's just a thought. Listen, where I was drafted, where, where, where I created, I left my, my footprint, my stamp and just, just knowing that I could, just, just being an owner of the place where I played at, it would be, it just.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Maybe they tell you a minority share, maybe they sell you 10, 20% because it's just hard for me to see like even though I think she just passed Virginia McCaskey, who's the daughter of George Hallis, who's who found they've only had one owner, the Steelers and the Rooneys. The Steelers have since 1933. Now there was one year I think the McClatchies owned it and they ended up getting it back. So the, the Rooneys have been so basically since 1933. Okay, you got the, the Maras and the Tishes, they co own the Giants now it look like they're, they're willing to sell a minority stake but no controlling aspect. So basically, you know, you gonna get, you gonna get some money, but you don't get no say in the day to day operations or coaches and hiring and buying things like that. So I'm looking at team.

[Penny Hardaway]

I like that. I don't need, I don't need no say in day to day operations. I want to be in the war room, okay? I want to be in war room. Listen, I also, I have an eye for talent. I have an eye for talent. I know what things need to look like. Listen, I just want to give my suggestions, okay? I want to put on my suit and tie. I want to have my bangles pinned. I want to be on the, I want to be on the golf court with Mike Brown. When we go to training camp, we watching the players. You know what you call it? What you call it? Owner's meeting. I'm at the owner's meeting, you know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nice.

[Penny Hardaway]

In my suit, in, in my suit, in my tie. What else? NFL combine. Me and Duke Tobin. I'm sitting there with my pen and pad. You know, I got my stopwatch.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When everybody running the party owners don't be there, Ocho. I mean mostly the only owners there is Jerry and I don't even know if Jerry showed up this year. Did Jerry go to the combine this year? Normally owners don't Go. They send the general manager. They send everybody, you know, general managers, your scout, personnel.

[Penny Hardaway]

I'm hands on. I want to. I want to be hands on if I get any type of minority share of the Bengals, you know, God willing, if God wants to bless me with. With. With some type of fortune that comes out of nowhere for. Listen, I know Mike. Listen, Mike Brown, Katie Choi, if this happens, please allow me to. To. To. To. To put in. You know, and. And. And be a part of where it all started. I think that would be a great thing. The fans would love that, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Penny Hardaway]

Can you imagine me being minority owner of the Bengals, also owning Napoli and then.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then it takes a lot of brain having some.

[Penny Hardaway]

Some. Some. A piece of the Miami Heat, too. Hey, and then, you know what? You know, the good thing about it is someone like me, if I was able to attain that type of wealth, I'm one. I'm one of the few people in the world that wouldn't change. Wouldn't change a thing. I still. I'll still be the same. The same. Same old Ocho. You need to find me. I'm at McDonald's. You want to find me, you can find me at the Cuban spot. You know, just doing. Just doing the same thing I always do.

[Kirk]

I like that.

[Penny Hardaway]

I like that.

[Kirk]

From.

[Penny Hardaway]

From my mouth to God's ears.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. You might better hope, maybe buy the Vegas franchise for an NBA team or hope they get another to, you know, have somebody get a. Want to start another franchise, but it's hard. If you're more apt to get somebody to move, then they make it an odd number. 33, because you got 32 teams and you got 8, 14 divisions. So that seems to be. NFL kind of seems to be set. But it looks like, if anything, the NBA will add two franchises, one in Vegas, and it seems like Seattle is kind of the favorite since they lost the supersonics. And you got Vegas, they got a football team. They got a soccer team. I mean, excuse me. They got a. A hockey team. Baseball is coming in a couple years. They got a WNBA squad, so they'll have the m. The four major sports. They'll. Now they get a basketball team. And it looks like that thing gonna go for five, six billion dollars.

[Kirk]

Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, guys. I got coach on the way.

[Kirk]

Can y'all hear me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep. We got you, coach.

[Penny Hardaway]

Yeah, I got you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got us?

[Penny Hardaway]

Yep, I got y'all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, he's about to jump on.

[Penny Hardaway]

What's your name?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Kirk.

[Penny Hardaway]

I love you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, sir. I love you. Love you, too. Appreciate it.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Guys, we're getting ready to get joined by. Had injuries not robbed him? He was one of the great players in NBA history. He's all well on his way to being the guy that talked about he was the second coming of Magic Johnson. A big point guard not only could score, but he could facilitate. Here he is, one cent himself, Mr. Penny Hardaway. Penny, you got us.

[Kirk]

Yeah, Kirk's trying to get it right. My man Kurt was just on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There it is.

[Kirk]

What's up? What's up, Penny?

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Kirk]

What's up?

[Penny Hardaway]

I pity you. You still owe me a one on one, man. What's good?

[Kirk]

Hey, Ocho, you can get this.

[Penny Hardaway]

Okay, let me know. Hey, listen, I'm gonna tell you what I'm gonna do for you. I'm gonna tell you what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna spot you five, you hear me?

[Kirk]

I appreciate that. I'm gonna take those five.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Penny was a four time all star, three time all NBA selection, and he's the head coach of the Memphis Tigers. Penny, you match up tomorrow against csu, Colorado State, you feel comfortable with what you've been able to your team going into this game because you know it's one and done. Now, Penny, it ain't no. Hey, hey. We get ready and we, hey, we got to go back to work the next day. You lose this game, your season's over.

[Kirk]

Yeah, we understand the magnitude of this, man, but this is what you want when you, you know, this is what you live for when you're an athlete. You, you live for these days. So we understand the magnitude of what's going on. We understand that they're really good team, but we are also, you know, and at the end of the day, we got to come and compete. They have a great offense and they play physical on defense. All of that, you know, goes along with March Madness, man. We're ready for it.

[Penny Hardaway]

Hey, I want to talk about your NBA career real quick. When looking back at your NBA days, what are some moments on the court that still inspire your Approach to the game today as a coach.

[Kirk]

Looking back at my game and how would inspire me is looking back at your NBA.

[Penny Hardaway]

Days, What are some moments on the court back then that inspire your approach to the game as a coach out there in Memphis?

[Kirk]

Well, it's just kill mode. You know, for me, everything I did on the floor was kill mode. So I coached the same way. I put that battery in the back of my guys back. And I'm their biggest fans. I push them out there and give them the confidence and say, hey man, be in kill mode and attack mode the entire game. Y'all, y'all both are the same way, man. You just gotta, when we, when y'all were on the field and I was on the court, every possession was to kill the dude that was in front of me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're right.

[Kirk]

Peter.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you this, Penny. Cause I asked a lot of great players, you know, had Isaiah on, and I have coach prime who was a regular contributor. Penny, how do you do it when you're such a great player and the game seemingly came easy to you, even though you work, you could see things before they develop. How do you have the patience to realize that, you know what, these guys probably not gonna be pe harder way. How do you have the patience? Because you tell some tell a kid something and then he eff it up. You go over this in practice and he eff it up. You do it in film study and you're like, son, we went over this. How do you have the patience to do what you do, Penny?

[Kirk]

Man, it's just one of those situations that we say back home was already understood, doesn't have to be explained. I understand that they won't be on the level mentally as me. So I, I, it doesn't have to be explained. So what I do is I put them in positions to win offensively and I put them in positions to win as a group defensively. So it's all about team and then their individual gifts that they have. I put them in those positions to be, to be great. And that's the best, that's the best thing to do for me. I know when I played I was God gifted. I could play all over the court, coaches gave me the ball. But this guy might need a spot up, he might need a pin down, he might need to play out of close out. This guy might need an ISO. So to me, the gift that God gave me was realizing the strengths and putting those guys in their strengths the entire game. And then that patience comes along with that. Because I'M putting them in a position to win.

[Penny Hardaway]

See, I like that. Did you hear what he just said? Understanding your players weaknesses and your strengths. Now, I'm not sure if it's easy to do as a basketball coach, but I wish from a football standpoint, especially at the highest level, if players or not players, if coaches, offensive coordinators understood what their players did, well, I think it would make things much easier, you know, being able to manipulate what you like to do based on your player strengths so everyone could play. So offensively, everything could be a little bit better. I love that mentality as a coach.

[Kirk]

Yeah, for sure, man. You know, because all these scouting reports are going to put them in their weaknesses. So we got to figure out a way to escape those weaknesses and put them in a strength. I like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Peter, let me ask you this. The nil, or whatever the case may be, actives or whatever, Whatever the case may be, it's made it a lot different, more difficult. Because, Penny, you can't get on a coach and coach a kid like they coach you or like you would want to coach, because if you get too hard on the penny, they're going to jump in the portal on you.

[Kirk]

No doubt.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Penny, how do you make sure you're trying to, like, make a kid understand or get a kid to understand? Son, I'm trying to put you in the best position that I possibly can to help you succeed without them taking offense to it and going somewhere like, well, hey, I'm not getting the minutes that I need. I'm going here or somebody coming in and say, son, hey, I see you, and I can give you 250. I can give you $300,000. How do you deal with that now, Penny? Cause it's a lot different.

[Kirk]

I think that, you know, what I try to do is make it a partnership and not be all 100% about me. And when I give the guys the money, right, when they come in, as a basketball player, I'm going to try to make you as comfortable as possible. But then you got to give me something as well. You know, the worst coaches to play for are the coaches that, all right, they're going to come in and change everything that you've ever done in your life and make you somebody that they didn't recruit or somebody that they didn't get out of free agency, right? So I'm not that coach. When I get you and come and get Shannon Sharp and Ojo, I know who y'all are already. I'm gonna put you in this situation, and we Gonna have a partnership. It ain't gonna just be all about me. And when you do that and you stand on the truth with everything that you. That you tell this young man, then they respect that man. And the respect factor goes a long way. You know, when you respect your coach, you'll run through a wall. You ain't. You don't want no butthole coach. You don't want no coach. That's gonna be, you know, all about being anal all the time, being negative all the time, and not really trying to see your side of things. Because in today's game, you got to see the other kid. You got to see his side. In our. In our era, the coach said what he said and we just did it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That was it.

[Penny Hardaway]

Yeah, you got it on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me. Let me ask you, P. Let me ask you this. What happens when a. When a player comes to you and say, coach, I need more minutes. I ain't getting the minutes or I'm gonna have to leave.

[Kirk]

If he's not getting the minutes, that mean he doesn't deserve the minutes. So I stand on the truth. If you ain't getting the minutes you want, that means you ain't stepping up to the plate and doing and putting the work in. We need to work on the unrequired hours as well. Not just coming to practice and think you're gonna get shots up. But what are you doing to affect winning positively, not negatively. You're affecting the winning negatively because you're not coming to the gym, you're not watching film, you're not getting extra work and waiting on your moment and being ready, staying ready so you don't have to get ready. A lot of these guys come to the gym during practice. They might make a couple bucks, but they don't sprint the lane, they don't get a stick hand up, they don't take charges, they're not playing tough. Multiple efforts. And that's what's going to get you on the floor with me. If you're not on the floor, then you're not stepping up to the plate to what we're needing you to do. And we give it to them in black and white. We have non negotiables. These are non negotiables. If you're not doing these non negotiables at a high level, you can't get many minutes. And if you're getting minutes, it's going to be small until you get to the level where you can do those at a high level.

[Penny Hardaway]

Now, with coaching that way, with that type of transparency. Do the players react well like that as opposed to. You know, you got to think about this today. Today's era, everybody is getting participation trophies. They patting you on the back just for simply being a part of. Even when you're not doing things the right way. Do they. Do they react well to that type of honesty and transparency?

[Kirk]

They react well to the truth. Because I love on them as well. You know, I'm gonna be getting in the gym with you. If you're ready to get in the gym, I'm ready. If you're ready to watch film, I'm ready. I take them out to lunch. Whatever it needs to happen for us to get that connection to understand, I need you. But you got to do your part, too. You're just not going to be giving this. And I know what, what Shannon said that they'll transfer. But when you have that bond and you give them an opportunity, you meet me halfway, I'll meet you halfway. And you stand on the truth. That truth is everything. They respect that more. I've had the guys respect that more. You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You've been at Memphis now for seven seasons. At any point in time in your NBA playing career, did you ever think you'd be a college coach or any coach?

[Kirk]

Nah, not really. I was gonna be in tv. I was gonna go to espn, TNT and do that thing. I wasn't even thinking about coaching at all. Obviously, I had the background being a point guard, understanding the game, and I've always loved teaching and developing players, but never thought I was gonna be a college coach.

[Penny Hardaway]

Hey, would you go ahead, Ocho? I'm saying I like the fact that you transition into coaching, and obviously you might have wanted to do TV with as much knowledge of the game that you do have, playing it at a very high level, being very successful at it, and now coaching. Like, are there any unexpected challenges you have, being that you know the game so well at the collegiate level?

[Kirk]

Yeah, because you.

[Penny Hardaway]

You.

[Kirk]

You don't. They don't see it like you. You want them to see it like you. But it's also a challenge to me to. To develop and teach until I get it. That's the drive for me, right? That's the drive for me to get this young man, when he comes in in June, to be ready by the time the season starts and as the season goes on, to keep teaching him and see him develop into a really good player. Because every kid that comes to my team that's been a good player somewhere else, they become a great player here. Because I'm so invested in each young man on their skill set, their mental, off the court things. It's a full time job. It's not just being a coach.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Peter, when you, when you did, when you shot blue trips, did you know much about Shaq and what did you expect to come out of that movie? Did you, did you ever think like, damn, man, I sure wish I could play with this fella?

[Kirk]

You know, when I, we did a. We had an Olympic festival. It was like north, south, east, west teams in the summertime. It was held in Minnesota. And Shaq and I played on the same team for like a half a summer, maybe a month, month and a half or whatever. And we got to know each other, you know, a little bit. But blue chips, I used that platform to show Shaq who I was. The whole being about that movie was to get Shaq to understand that he needed me. I auditioned for him, not the movie to make that. I did that. I did that every day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Peter, have you ever thought about, man, if my knee comes. I think you had a knee issue. You tried to come back, you end up having. Did you end up having micro fracture on that knee?

[Kirk]

I did. The micro fracture took me out. I had 70 surgeries altogether. But the last one was microfracture. That was it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Same knee, left knee, if I'm not mistaken. I think that's where they drain into the bone. They drill into the bone, try to let it drain, try to make it let it heal on its own. And some people have had microfracture and it worked. I think Rod Woodson, he had micro fracture. I think Bruce Smith had micro fracture. And they've had eight, ten plus years of great play. You, it kind of robbed you of your lift. And now you got chronic knee problems. Did you ever think of your wildest dream when you first had this injury, that this was the beginning of the end?

[Kirk]

You know, I didn't. But the thing that was so crazy is, was I was playing in Phoenix and we were playing the Lakers the year the Lakers won the championship in 02. And I was playing with a torn meniscus. I tore my meniscus in the first round against San Antonio and I kept playing. And I got a cortisone shot every other day just to make it through the playoffs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Seeds.

[Kirk]

Okay, y'all know how that is, right? So I was in campaign. I do. And I was playing with a torrent meniscus. And Tim Duncan, who was much smarter than me, he set out that series and didn't play anymore and just kind of Rested. And you know what happened after that? His greatness or whatever. But it did rob me because after I got done with the Lakers series, I still was. I had spring, I had quickness. If you looked in that series, I averaged about 20 a game. We took those guys to six games and obviously lost after that. I didn't need the micro fracture. I just needed that. That meniscus area prepared. And man, I got that micro fraction that took me out because I still had bouncing spring. Even though I was feeling some pain, I still had my quickness, I still had my power. After that micro fracture, man, my quad depleted and I never got my quad strength back, like, ever.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that's the. That's the biggest thing, Penny, when you have those surgeries is the surrounding muscles is that to get that strength back. And people realize that, oh, my knee feel good. But if that quad, if that hamstring, if that calf, if those attached muscles, if they're not repaired, it's not gonna fire and it's not. It's not gonna be able to. It's your stability. That's your stability to be able to be able to sustain that up down. Because you doing this every night back then, penny, y'all played 75, at least 75 games. It wasn't no low management where you take 15 games out, you miss 15, 20 games. You missed 15, 20 games, you were injured. It wasn't no. Oh, yeah, Penny got the night off. Cause you know, he doesn't play the back to back. He gonna play three games in a week. So we will get Penny the next game off. Yeah, there was none of that.

[Kirk]

No, there was none of that at all. But the biggest thing about me, I was gonna play for my fans. I knew people come to the game to see me, so I wasn't missing no games. I was really, really hurt.

[Penny Hardaway]

I like it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like it.

[Penny Hardaway]

I didn't ask all my good, juicy questions, but I'm good. I'm just ready for this one on one, boy. That's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Peter. That's your. You grew up in Memphis. You played at Memphis. You coach at Memphis. Is there a scenario where you could see yourself leaving Memphis?

[Kirk]

Man, that'd be tough. That would be tough. I mean, everybody know I bleed blue, man. And it got kind of rocky last year, so I didn't know where it was going to go. But honestly, I want to win a championship for my city. I really do. You know, if something comes about, you know, we'll cross that road. But everybody that knows me knows that that blue is in my heart, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, Peter, tell the story how you got the name. Because I think you told the name. Your grandma was calling you pretty and they thought you're saying Penny.

[Kirk]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And so. So tell the story how you got the name.

[Kirk]

I was living with my mother until I was five and then my mom left me with my grandmother. So when I moved to my mom's area of the neighborhood, she used to call me pretty. And with her Southern accent, it sounded like Penny. Honestly said it. And one day somebody called my house and was like, can I speak to Penny? Because they thought she was saying, you know, Penny. And she was like, there's no Penny that lives here. And I was like, grandmother, that's me. And that's how it just stuck. From that point, I just started letting everybody call me Penny.

[Penny Hardaway]

That's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

L see, now we understand. Now y'all understand why. Glorilla, how she sound? She from the same. He from the same area as Petty. Penny, thank you for joining us, bro. Good luck. Good luck tomorrow night. Good luck throughout the tournament. And when you cut down the nets, come back and join you. Come back and join your boy. I will.

[Kirk]

And we're gonna get that one.

[Penny Hardaway]

I got you, baby. Man, I salute you, baby.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, before you go, I need them Galaxy phone posits. I know you got a pair besides 12, 13.

[Kirk]

You got that coming. You got that coming. They're gonna be there as soon as I get back home.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Appreciate it, Penny. Thank you, sir.

[Kirk]

No doubt. All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right. Mr. One send himself Penny Hardway. Great dude, man. Oo, I don't know like the chat. How many people remember watching Penny play. But he was a wizard with the basketball. He was supposed to be the next Magic Johnson. A guy that was 67 and a half that could score. He could score. The difference between he and Magic. Magic. Magic couldn't score like Penny. Penny could really score the basketball and could play with the fact. But he was a big guard like Magic. Magic six, nine. Penny six seven. We hadn't seen point guards like, handle the ball. That can handle the ball, like handle it. And then think about him and Shaq. Him and Shaq in the pick and roll the lob. Penny getting downhill, can finish at the rim. Everything he had every he had the mid range, had a nice float game and that Andrew like he said, he said he just needed his meniscus cleaned up. They ended up doing microfacture and he never recovered. He never recovered. Ocho.

[Penny Hardaway]

Ah, man, I hate injuries, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you know, sometimes guys get surgeries and you're like damn, guys have back surgery. Look at Gronk. Gronk had a back surgery in college, went on how to had a Hall of fame career. Like I said, Rod had microfacture. Bruce Smith, if I'm not mistaken, had microfaction. They played another eight, nine years Penny. It was downhill after that. Go ahead.

[Penny Hardaway]

I think about some of the injuries man to some of some are great, some are greats where me where they weren't able to finish their story. Penny Hardaways, the Peter Warks, the Derrick.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Rose, Brandon Roy, Greg, Odin, they're the.

[Penny Hardaway]

Guys like so many dudes. And I wish technology was a little bit more advanced when they were playing.

[Kirk]

So they can finish gets better every.

[Penny Hardaway]

Year so they could finish their careers the way they should have because injuries have robbed us. There's some great stories Unc, some great unfinished.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because you know back then Ocho they did that big surgery, they split you had everybody. You remember. I remember when I first got into the league, had that big scar right down the middle, that big zipper. But now to take the incision is so small they done got the way they could. They take part of your patellar tendon to repair it. They do cadavers. They do man. Technology, medical, modern medicine has improved so much. I mean normally if you had a McKeely's that was a death sentence. You had an ACL, that was a death sentence. Now guys come back stronger, better than ever. Like hold on because look at Thomas Davis. Thomas Davis had three ACL surgeries and came back and played 15, 16 years, went to the Pro bowl. Was I think a first or second team all probably man. It was. You know, when you look at it o Joe, it's but to watch him because I'm old enough to remember. I remember him at Memphis. I remember him going to to Orlando because they made the swap. They traded Chris Weber because Orlando got back to back number one overall picks and they ended up trading Chris C. Webb. He ends up going to go, if I'm not mistaken. Thank good goes to Golden State and then Orlando swaps out and they get Penny. That thing was something of beauty.

[Penny Hardaway]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That was a thing of beauty. What? What could have been? What could have been?

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Lakers beat the Nuggets 121 oh8 win their first straight game. During the five game homestand yoke, Jamal Murray was out. LeBron Ruy was out. Luca 31 points, nine rebounds, seven assists. Luca is his two hundred and thirty point game. He had a twenty point quarter and a twenty point half. So he had it going early. Austin Reeves had it going early. Ocho. I mean for the like the first quarter they could not miss a three. They had 45 points. Yeah. In the first quarter. Stepped off the gas a little bit in the second quarter, let them get back into the ball game. Stepped on the gas again on the third quarter. Blew the game open. I think the The Nuggets scored 3132 points in the third quarter fourth quarter, but it wasn't nearly enough. Yo, excuse me. Luca 31 points, nine rebounds, seven assists. His 230 point game. Austin Reeves had 22.8 assists. But I thought the Lakers played really well. They set the tempo early. They didn't play down to the level of competition nor it two of their best players without and sometimes you get that Ocho, the Warriors made that mistake the other night. They looked at it like oh, Murray not playing. Oh Yolk not playing. And the next thing you know you find yourself with l hung on you. But watching the game, Ocho, what you thought about the Lakers and how they.

[Penny Hardaway]

Look tonight, I mean it was impressive. It was very impressive. Not only did Luka come out and set the tone in the first quarter with 22 in the first quarter, actually he said Luka set the tone for the game. What he did in the first quarter, coming out with 21 points in the first half in the first quarter and everybody, everybody played well most of the time what happens is when you play a team that doesn't have a player like Murray playing and the other joke. Okay jokers. I don't know why I keep calling him joker. Jokic playing you play down to your competition. Most of the time you end up losing similar to how the, how the warriors did the other night. But obviously the Lakers didn't do that. They did slow down at some point, but it wasn't enough for the Nuggets to get back in the game and they eventually ended up winning the game. So I mean it was a good game. Obviously the superstars are out. You would have liked to have seen jokers playing, Anne Murray, LeBron healthy, Luca playing just to see a team at full strength, to see what the game would have been like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I thought the Lakers, I thought JJ had a good game plan, but when the shots are playing down the game plan, I thought they moved the ball early. I think sometimes the Lakers get careless. There are times. Look, you just have to accept Luca is going to try some things. I mean, he's going out of bounds and he tried to throw a pass behind his back. Turnover. And that allowed, that's what allowed the, the Nuggets to make this run. They started turning the ball over in the second quarter.

[Kirk]

Hold on what he did, what he did, going out of what he's going.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Out of bounds and try to throw the ball behind his back to a guy right there up under the basket. I was like, lord have mercy, Luca. But that's Luca. You have to accept the good with the bad, right?

[Kirk]

Because this is game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what he, that's how he plays. And you got to think about it with it.

[Penny Hardaway]

You got to think about it when it come to him. Now you do some things you don't like. You have. You got to accept the good with the bad. But there's more good than bad when it comes to him when he's playing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, for sure. AR man, AR has been great. I, I like this game. But you could tell, and you look at him from the time he got there to where he is now. Yeah, he's immensely better. You can tell he's a student of the game. You can tell he put time in on his game. You can tell that it's important to him. And that's what I like to see. Regardless of the sport you play, it needs to mean something to you, right? You gotta want to get better. You can't rest on your laws. Yeah, he got a three year contract, probably paid him like 13, 14 million dollars. He said, Nah, I want one of big daddies. I want one of them two hundies. Yeah, and he gonna get it. And he would have earned it. Yeah, he would have earned it. And you see why the Lakers were so unwilling to part ways with him. Everybody in every trade always tried to include him. And the, A lot of trades broke down because the Lakers were unwilling to part ways with him. They saw the improvement. They saw the im, the, the maturation. Getting better from the three, getting better at finishing at the rim. Got Niles handles, he's putting the ball on the Floor got the nice snatch pool. He's really, he's turned himself into an all star caliber player. And I understand that there are a lot of great guards and you know, you got to get by Steph and you got Jaw and you got Shay Gilders and you got Harden, you got some Kyrie, you got some really good guards in, in, in the Western Conference.

[Kirk]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, the way he's playing, he's an all star caliber, you know, he's an all star caliber player and he can handle the ball. LeBron has trusted him for a very, very long time. If you go back and look at that, that Memphis Grizzlies series, he actually won him a game. LeBron's like, Nope, don't give the ball to me. You take it, go win the game. Boards. Yeah, and he's done that. So I, I just love the way he's improved, how he's gotten better. And this Laker team, I think if they get healthy, I think they can be dangerous. I still think they're a big short. But hey, we'll see what, we'll see what happens when the rubber needed to meet the road.

[Penny Hardaway]

Yeah, listen, you know the game of basketball very well. So does everybody else. Everyone else with the knowledge of the game of basketball has said the same thing about the Lakers. They don't have a big. In order to compete, in order to go as far as you need to go, you're going to have to have a big. And they just don't have it. But we, we can see, we gonna see what they can do with that two headed monster once, once LeBron comes back, we'll see what happens.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, because they're gonna be small once Jackson Hayes goes out of the lineup. They're small. I mean, Coloco, he's okay, a little small. Height, okay, height's fine, but he just don't have enough bricks in his back pocket. And so they, you know, people can just uproot him and just move him off it. Move him off the spot of the spot. Yeah, yeah. But you know, I mean, and they're gonna be some times that probably LeBron's gonna have to slide to the five and you know, I mean, because really, if you really think about, there's not a whole lot of guys that have, you know, Rudy Gobert is not gonna cause you any damage. Basically, you know, they got Hardenstein, they got Chad Horn, but when you look at Memphis Zach Edie, he's just a big body. He just sits, screams and stuff like that.

[Penny Hardaway]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To the basket. Yeah. So you look at the teams now. He can be a problem for the Rockets.

[Penny Hardaway]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he's an all star. He's an all star for a reason. But like I said, I like the Lakers. LeBron gets healthy. Luca is Luca come playoff time. He has the high. Third high scoring. No, he has the second highest scoring average in playoff history. With that being said, LeBron healthy. LeBron is the top five in playoff history as far as scoring. They can do some damage, but I just wish they had another big. I don't know why they signed Alex Lynn.

[Penny Hardaway]

Hey, hey, uncle, you ain't been too high on brother Lynn, baby. What's wrong with brother Lynn?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He, he, he. He's about, he's probably about 35 days away from being the tallest coach in history. That, that's his next profession. It ain't gonna be in the NBA. It's gonna be coaching basketball, maybe high school. Ocho. Ocho. The Lakers stopped the bleeding today after a four game skid in which they saw them go from the 2 seed all the way to the 5 seed. They got 33 points, 11 rebounds, 8 assists from Luca. They got 28 points from Austin Reeves. Jackson Hayes matched the season high with 19. And they win 107 to 96. Kevin Durant had 21 points, Devin Booker had 19, 19 for the 11th place Suns. The Lakers failed three spots during the West. They lost all four games. They were on the road. Ocho. And currently a stretch of Brutal win seven games in 10 days, including five at home in seven days. A lot of this had to do with. You remember when they had to fire the wildfires in nla?

[Penny Hardaway]

They had to make games.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They got to make up a game in which San Antonio was supposed to play. That game got postponed. So now I got sandwiched in here and so now they gotta, they gotta play. LeBron missed his fourth straight game, but Coach Reddick said Braun is ramping up towards a return. Probably they won't be back until the end of the week, but couldn't come at a better time, right, because they got, they had, they needed to stop the hemorrhaging today. They were able to do that, but they're not out of the woods because if I'm not mistaken, they still got. They got the Nuggets, Denver up on the skate. Yeah, they got the Nuggets. They got San Antonio on the. I think they got San Antonio the 17th. That's tomorrow.

[Penny Hardaway]

Wait, oh, I forgot it's. When we playing? When we not playing. Is he.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, when he's done. Yeah, But I thought, I thought the Lakers played really good. They needed this type of game from Luca Luke and Austin Reeves, basically, they led the charge. Jackson Hay did a great job of rolling to the rim. That's what Luca wants. Luca wants a guy a big, that's, that's, that's agile, that's athletic.

[Penny Hardaway]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He doesn't need to be the best shooter. Can you catch lobs? How many lives did Luca throw him? How many lives did AR throw him? And that's what you need. That's what, hey, just run to the rim, son.

[Penny Hardaway]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey. When they come to doubling, which they're going to do, you did, they did a lot of that late in the ball game to try to get the ball out of Luca's hands, and rightfully so. And Luca, great awareness. Throw it up. Jacqueline Hayes brings it down, dunks it home. So I would have loved, man, I just want LeBron to come back and, and, and not have any setbacks and see how this thing plays out for the, the final, you know, 17, 18 games of the regular season. But I, I, I, I, I like, I like the way they played today. Got some great production. Gabe Vincent came, came in and gave, gave him some, some quality minutes. Uh, but they did a great job of, of, of KD did not shoot the ball well from the floor. A book did not shoot the ball well from the floor. Bradley Beal did not shoot the ball well from the floor. Hell, I'm not so sure Bradley Beal even scored a point. Did Bradley Beal even. I'm serious, Ocho.

[Penny Hardaway]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did Bradley Bill even score? Ash? If he did, he had minimal points. He had four points, Ocho. See, yeah, I, I think they really, they got themselves. He's on one or two players that have a no trade. He and LeBron, they really want to get up. They want to move on from Bradley Bill, but he don't want to go nowhere.

[Penny Hardaway]

It's a conversation. It's a conversation that needs to be had. Him asking them, asking him, is there somebody you want to go where you would like to play?

[Kirk]

Someone.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I kind of like it here. The weather's nice, sunshine. No, there's no place I want to go.

[Penny Hardaway]

I don't think that's true. Because he would, he would, he would put forth a little bit more effort, especially when it comes to playing and being contributing to them offensively.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All I'm saying, they offered him an opportunity. I get. I. Where you want to go. I mean, you got, I mean, to go. I mean, the team's got to Want you. Right.

[Penny Hardaway]

You don't think a team would want him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but not the team that he potentially wants to go to.

[Kirk]

Oh, I see.

[Penny Hardaway]

I see what you mean. I see what you mean.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, Goat. Ocho, this is where you do it. You need to be with the girl that likes you, not the girl that you like. You see? Go to the team that wants you, not to the team that. Where you want to go, because the girl that likes you is going to treat you accordingly. The girl that you like. Listen, I ain't gonna go down. We're not gonna do that today, Ocho. We're not gonna get into that.

[Penny Hardaway]

You ain't got to do it today.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We'll come around to it. That's what you need to do. Yeah, and see, that's the problem. He wants to go to a team that he won't. Not the team that wants him.

[Penny Hardaway]

Hey, using that analogy where people can better understand it. I like that. I like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just saying, Ocho, that's like. Ocho, you need to write that down.

[Penny Hardaway]

Oh, hey, that. That's one I don't have to write down. I'm. I've always. I've always lived by that. Because, you know, you. You give me. You give me your note. You. You give me your. Your new. You. How do you say it? If you give me your. You know what? To kiss. All right. Bet. Don't worry about it. Hey, one thing about it. The line. The line is very long.

[Kirk]

Yeah.

[Penny Hardaway]

You hear me? The line is very long.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, so sometimes you got. Oh.

[Kirk]

With those.

[Penny Hardaway]

With those who actually will appreciate and. And love. Well, you know what? The. The dough closed now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, Let me ask you this.

[Penny Hardaway]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When someone gives you your butt. Their butt to kiss. Hey, what did you do to make them pull their pants up, down and turn around and say, kiss my butt? Did you do anything to facilitate that?

[Penny Hardaway]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Most of the time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How you gonna be mad?

[Penny Hardaway]

Yeah, but sugar ain't mad. I ain't mad at all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, but I'm saying, how you gonna be upset? Somebody, they give you a butt to kiss when it was you. Had they ever given you their butt to kiss before?

[Penny Hardaway]

In general, yes. I'm just speaking hypothetically.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm saying in general.

[Penny Hardaway]

Oh, yeah. Hypothetically speaking. Yeah. Always. We. We always. As. As individuals, we always do things to get people to that point where it's like, ah, you know what, man? Good. You know, had you. No, this. It's life. Huh? It's life.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Penny Hardaway]

Yeah. But, you know, I mean, it happens Bam. It happens. Yeah. Yeah. But like, like you said, you always, always choose who choose you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Always.

[Penny Hardaway]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I mean, hey, get your little, get your a uncle little reclamation project. Don't nobody want to fix old uncle. Hey you. Hey. I'm a reclamation project. I, I ain't a finished project. I'm a reclamation project. I mean, I need, you know, I.

[Ocho Cinco]

Need a new roof.

[Penny Hardaway]

Hey, we, listen, we all a work in progress. You just have to find someone that's willing to work with you. Everybody want, Everybody want the finished product. Ain't no such thing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nope.

[Penny Hardaway]

There's no such thing as a finished product. Regards to how it looks. You know, it look good, look good on the outside, but it's a whole lot of work to get done on the interior. And there ain't nothing wrong with that. You just gotta have the right person that is willing to help you, you know, get through that, that process.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, sometimes, yeah, it's the outside. Sometimes you go inside, you look at it, man, that house look. And you go inside like, damn. Yeah, man, you did an unbelievable job. And sometimes it's women like that. Sometimes the prettiest women on the outside are the ugliest on the inside and sometimes it's vice versa.

[Kirk]

Right.

[Penny Hardaway]

Right. Yeah. I can't, I can't, I can't. I can't quite speak on that. Everyone has been, listen, everyone that is been a part of my life in any facet way, shape or form has been phenomenal. They've been phenomenal. You know, I can, I can, I can really say. I can really say they've been great in, in my growth as, as a man, as a, as a father. So I, I like that. I haven't had, I haven't experienced what you just said in, in that sense, but that's, that's a good one. I haven't have experience, so I've been lucky. I still got some work to do though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Ocho Cinco]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Ocho Cinco]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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