Nightcap Hour 1: Chargers LIGHT UP the Vikings + Rozier & Billups ARRESTED in FBI Gambling INVESTIGATION + Aaron Rodgers CURTAIN CALL?

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Episode: Chargers LIGHT UP the Vikings + Rozier & Billups ARRESTED in FBI Gambling INVESTIGATION + Aaron Rodgers CURTAIN CALL?
Date: October 24, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe
Co-Host: Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson
Podcast: Club Shay Shay / Nightcap

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Episode Overview

In this packed Nightcap episode, Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson break down a dominant Los Angeles Chargers win over the struggling Minnesota Vikings, spark a lively debate about the Vikings’ quarterback dilemma, and dive deep into headline-grabbing news: the FBI’s arrest of NBA coach Chauncey Billups and guard Terry Rozier in a Mafia-linked gambling investigation. The conversation explores NFL and NBA headlines, locker-room gambling stories, the dangers of gambling addiction, and the implications of organized crime in sports betting.

The tone is high-energy, honest, and unfiltered—the duo mixes sharp insight with personal anecdotes and plenty of humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Chargers Dominate the Vikings (02:59–22:38)

• Game Recap:
  • Chargers blow out Vikings, 37–10.
  • Justin Herbert: 18/25, 227 yds, 3 TDs, 1 INT; also rushed for 62 yards.
  • Lad McConkey, Orlando Gaston II, and Harris each score touchdowns.
• Team Stats:
  • Chargers: 29 first downs vs. Vikings' 12; 9/13 on third down; 200+ team rushing yards; 39 min time of possession; no punts all game.
  • Vikings offense stifled: Carson Wentz 15/27, 144 yds, 5 sacks; Justin Jefferson 7 rec, 74 yds.
• Chad Johnson’s Colorful Metaphor:

  “If you looked in the dictionary and you look for ‘belt the ass’, they would have an example of the Chargers versus the goddamn Vikings.” (07:54 — Chad)

• Credit to Chargers:
  • Coach Jim Harbaugh's preparation and defensive talent praised.
  • Return of Khalil Mack boosting pass rush; strong front seven highlighted.
  • Offense featuring Keenan Allen, McConkey, and others clicking.
• Vikings Problems:
  • One-dimensional play (couldn’t run), O-line struggles.
  • Quarterback controversy: invest in Sam Darnold or top draft pick J.J. McCarthy?
  • Johnson: “I'd rather not guess, I'd rather go with what I know I'm getting.” (17:28)
  • Shannon questions financial sense of investing big in Darnold versus developing McCarthy.
• Minnesota’s Future:
  • Uncertainty about upside, difficulty of winning the division (with improving Bears, consistent Lions, and tough Packers).

2. Breaking News: FBI Gambling Probe Rocks the NBA (28:11–43:29)

• The Story:
  • Chauncey Billups, Terry Rozier arrested in wide-ranging FBI probe “Operation Royal Flush.”
  • Billups’ arrest tied to mafia-run poker games with high-tech cheating (X-ray machines in tables, marked cards, contact lenses).
  • Rozier accused of game-fixing by feeding inside information, facilitating prop bets for associates who wagered hundreds of thousands.
  • Several others, including former NBA player Damon Jones, named—Jones provided insider info on Lakers’ lineups.
  • Both face federal charges of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and money laundering.
• The Mafia Connection:

  “What grabs my attention is the fact that the mafia is still prevalent in today’s society.” (30:57 — Chad)

  • Shannon explains the mob’s hidden presence and front businesses, ties to high-stakes underground games.
  • Chad: “Once you in with them… that mean you got to always… I need all the answers. Who’s playing, who’s out?” (42:13)
• Insider Info in Sports Betting:
  • Sharpe explains injury reports help protect against corruption, but connections and leaks circumvent formal channels.
  • Their concern: insider bets undermine trust and league integrity.
• Personal Stories about Gambling & Cheating:
  • Shannon shares tales from his NFL career about loaded dice and house games ruined by outsiders cheating.
  • The importance of only betting with people you trust underscored.

    “Man, bro had crooks. I said, he had to weigh the dice… I’m done.” (36:48–37:54 — Shannon)

• Wider Ramifications:
  • Shannon: “This is going to get real, real, real.” (59:12)
  • Both are disturbed by the proximity of organized crime and professional athletes.

3. Gambling Addiction, Locker Room Bets, and Sports Culture (43:29–63:35)

• Addiction Discussion:
  • Shannon and Chad reflect on both professional and personal stories of gambling losses—car pink slips, multimillion-dollar downfalls.
  • Shannon: “It’s an addiction. It’s endorphins. It’s a high, it’s a rush.” (45:58)
• Notable Anecdotes:
  • Stories of gamblers losing fortunes ($240 million example), and the dangers of chasing losses.
  • “If you want to break up a dice game, hit 10 or 4. I don saw cars don exchange hands!” (34:07 — Shannon)
• Safer Betting Philosophy:
  • Chad admits he’s a casual, low-stakes gambler, wary of putting his life or money into anything he can’t control.
  • “If you can’t stand to lose your money, you don’t bet.” (54:08 — Chad)
• Professional Athlete Bets:
  • Locker room bets are about pride, not just money—e.g., $5,000 in pennies or dimes, to force the loser into an embarrassing trip to the bank.
• On House Wins:
  • Shannon: “The reason why the house wins so much: they can weather the storm. If you start winning too much, they’ll ask you to leave.” (54:42)
• Danger of Organized Crime:
  • Chad fixates on the risk of Mafia entanglement, referencing stories about Michael Jordan’s rumored losses.
  • “One mistake. I done lost a million dollars because you told me so-and-so was playing. He ain’t play. Well, you need to give me my money back, man.” (64:53 — Chad)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the Vikings’ Loss

  • “This game is representation. If you looked in the dictionary and you look for ‘belt the ass’, they would have an example of the Chargers versus the goddamn Vikings.”
    — Chad Johnson (07:54)
  • “If you can’t stop the running game, you can only do two things… you need to be able to stop one, because if you can’t stop either one of them…”
    — Shannon Sharpe (12:59)

• On Organized Crime in Sports Gambling

  • “Billups’ arrest is related to illegal poker games tied to the Mafia… the Bonanno, the Genovese, the Colombo and the Luccheses.”
    — Shannon Sharpe (28:30)
  • “Once they got them hooks in you… what I hate most is information. That’s why the NFL and NBA puts out all injury reports.”
    — Shannon (32:09, 31:17)
  • “I done seen The Sopranos. I done seen Goodfellas… that’s real life… once you tied into them, that’s…”
    — Chad Johnson (39:44)
  • “These people have no regard for life… once you in business with them, you always have to give them information.”
    — Chad (42:11)

• On Gambling Addiction

  • “Gambling… alcohol, drugs… it’s an addiction. It’s endorphins. It’s a high, it’s a rush.”
    — Shannon Sharpe (45:58)
  • “A fool and his money shall soon part ways.” (Granny’s wisdom)
    — Chad Johnson (61:00)

• On Locker Room Bets

  • “It’s not about the money… I want you to go to the bank and tell the cashier you need $10,000 in dimes because you lost a bet to Shannon Sharpe.”
    — Shannon Sharpe (62:13)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Chargers vs Vikings Breakdown: 02:59–22:38
• QB controversy, Vikings’ future: 13:59–22:38
• FBI/Gambling Scandal Details: 28:11–43:29
• Stories of Gambling & Cheating: 32:09–39:05
• Mafia and Player Risk Discussion: 39:00–43:29, 55:32–57:10
• Addiction and Betting Stories: 43:29–54:42
• Professional Bets/Joking Wagers: 62:13–63:35

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Episode Takeaways

• The Chargers look formidable, especially with their defense clicking and Justin Herbert in rhythm.
• Minnesota faces tough questions at QB and the risk of sliding further in a rapidly improving NFC North.
• The intertwining of organized crime and sports gambling is no longer just a plot from a movie—it’s very real, and high-profile arrests underscore the ongoing risks to league integrity and personal security.
• The episode is a cautionary tale about the perils of gambling addiction at every level—from backroom dice games to NBA scandals—and the unyielding pull of the “house.”
• Shannon and Chad’s rapport and personal stories bring depth and humor to serious sports issues, making this a must-listen (or read) for fans, players, or anyone curious about the intersection of sports, risk, and human nature.

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For a full experience, check out the episode wherever you get your podcasts and be sure to catch the next Nightcap live for real-time reactions to the breaking sports news cycle.

Transcript

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[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

39 minutes. Time of possession. 419 total yards to 164. Everything. They were three for four on in the red zone. Both teams had one turnover. Ocho. Yeah, it was bad. It was bad on Minnesota's part.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, listen, this game is representation. If you looked in the dictionary and you look for belt the ass, they would have an example of the Chargers versus the goddamn Vikings. Wentz, listen, he. He didn't play bad. I. I don't know what's wrong with J.J. mcCarthy.

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[Chad Johnson]

They say he's hurt. I don't think he's hurt. I think they're they're regretting the fact that they Let some Sam Darnold go, you know, and I mean, Carson Wentz, he had a baby. He had a bad game. 15 for 27, 144. They tried.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think he got sacked five times too. Ojo.

[Chad Johnson]

He got sacked five times. They tried to get Justin Jefferson going. He has seven for 74. But when you can't run the ball and the team makes you one dimensional and all they got to do is pin their ears back and come and get you. That's why he was sacked. He was sacked five times. The Chargers needed this win too. They needed this win to get the bad taste out their mouth after losing last week to the goddamn Colts, who had been on fire all season long outside of one game. So, I mean, Justin Herbert looked good. Running game. They couldn't stop the running game when you can't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, they couldn't stop anything.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, when you can't stop the running.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Game, you can only do two things, don't you? You can either run the football or throw it. You need to be able to stop one, because if you can't stop either, either one of them.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, that's why the game looked like this. Obviously. They. They were very efficient on third downs. And this is what you get. You get 37 points. It hell. They. You said they ain't punt tonight, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They didn't.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, God damn. Yeah. Hey, back to the draw.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, this is what Indy did to them last week. Yes. Put built to ass. And so it was only on a short week. Let's get that taste out of our mouth. We're in our building. We don't want what happened last last week to happen again this week. Right. The one thing. Look, Jim Harbaugh, he. His teams normally are ready. They're prepared. They're a well coached team. They got a lot of talent. The Chargers got talent. They really. They really have talent. And now they get the. The pass rush, what's his name? From the Raiders and the Bears. And now he's in the Chargers.

[Chad Johnson]

Khalil Mack.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Khalil Mack, Yeah. Now you get him back. Collapsing the side of the pocket. Oh, yeah. Yeah, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So with the Viking, you got Henley in the middle. You got two fast linebackers that can chase side to side.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're not gonna have a whole lot of time to throw the football. They got a nice rotation they can get. They can hunt your quarterback. Now if you can't hold up against the. If you can't hold up against the rush, you're not going to be able to beat this team.

[Chad Johnson]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're not going to be able to beat him. You got. You've got to hold up against their rush. I believe you. There's some. There's some things. Look, I understand Derwin James is back in the secondary, but I'm not like, oh, you can't throw on them. But you have to be able to hold up because they don't have to cover a long time.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because their front seven is really good offensively. You know, you got Keenan allen, you got lad McConkey. You got a gas in the second. You got guys that can make plays. Johnson, you got guys that can really, really make plays. Justin Herbert, look, the Miami Dolphin fans are kicking them like, man, we could have had that.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, you could have.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But your own, your owner. This is not Brian Flores, and this is your owner. He wanted Tour.

[Colin Coward]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tank for. Hey, you remember the size of your tank for Tour?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not both of y' all tanks empty. His and y'. All. The Chargers look Really good. They're 5 and 3. They're tied with the Broncos right now. Obviously, the Broncos have a tough matchup. Is that game Sunday night or is that a Sunday game? The Cowboys at the Broncos, they might.

[Chad Johnson]

They need to. They need to flex it. If it's not a 4 o', clock, a night game, too late.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't think. I don't think you can flex the first half. It's the second half. You can flex. I think you kind of like. You kind of locked in.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. Okay, that's. That's a good one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I don't think. I don't think CB I think that's a CBS game. I don't. I don't think CBS gonna go. Look, they only get. They only get the Cowboys maybe once, twice a year. If I say Thanksgiving Day game and CBS have the app, the late game, you know, the 4:30 game. Yeah. So they ain't really trying to give the Cowboys up. Now. Fox. Fox, like, hey, we could all. We all. We normally get them at 4 o', clock, right? A 420 game. We. We normally get them 7, 8, 9 times a year. So you take one. Okay. We cool. CBS like. Ah, no, no, no, but I. Look, Minnesota. I agree with you, Ocho, but here's the thing. And, and. And we were taught. Ash and I were talking about what the 49ers did. See, it was easy for the 49ers because they put the competition up in Brock Purdy beat out Trey lance.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

J.J. mcCarthy was going to be the starter. He got hurt so We a top 10 pick and we got a guy. So are we. So, so what are we going to do? We. It's going to take at least $30 million to sign Sam Darnold and we still got a top 10 pick that we really believe in Minnesota. If you ask them, they're saying, considering the way Sam Darnold is played, way played last year and where he played way. The way he's playing now.

[Chad Johnson]

Now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they say we want him. We would take him over Sam Darnold. We'd take him over Carson Wentz and J.J. mcCarthy.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But unfortunately, you got to make a decision. You got to make a decision. Are you really. Are you really trying to bring Sam Darnold back on a three year, $100 million deal and you've got a guy that you took it with a top 10 pick on your bench? Because you.

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on. I mean, I'd rather not guess I'd rather go. What I know I'm getting. As opposed to. I'm unsure. But we picked him at a certain slot and we basically starting over. So it's a toss up because you never know. I really think. I. I mean, honestly, I don't know what type of injury it may be, but I think he's healthy and they just don't want to go back to him. They want Carson Wentz. They want him to sit there and learn for another year on the sideline.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, if that's the case, you should have signed. You should have signed. You should have signed Sam Darnold. I mean, but here's the thing, Ocho. Okay, let's just say for the sake of argument, what you're saying is correct. He sits two years. He plays his third year. You're going to have to do like Jordan Love. You're going to have to make a $50 million investment. Oh, yeah. Are you going to be comfortable making that decision? Because Jordan Love really put the pressure on him considering the way he played in that third year. Yes. So J.J. mcCarthy would have had to put the pressure on him. I mean, that's hindsight. That's a magnificent science now, but that's a tough. That's tough. When you select a quarterback so high, you get a guy and he's playing really well and you don't want to take him out. Now, it was easy for Sam Darnold to keep playing because J.J. mcCarthy was done for the year. Right. It would have been interesting to see had he not gotten hurt. I believe. I believe JJ McCarthy was going to start. I think they had Sam. Donna, as an insurance. As a backup. As an insurance policy. If something, you know, if he struggled, Ocho, we ain't got no problem. We got a veteran guy. We bring him in. But he got hurt so early.

[Chad Johnson]

I honestly tell you the truth, with the way Sam Donald played last year, with the way he playing this year, I'm not sure JJ McCarthy would have beat him out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I agree. I agree. I agree.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, listen, I don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They saw something we didn't see because he mainly ran the football. They were mainly a running team, but under Harbaugh. So for him. For them to be. So that. Okay, he can throw the football. And look, I saw what he did against the Bears open tonight. He played well. He came out in the second half, and he played extremely well. But I agree with you. I think they really wanted Carson Wentz to play well and keep the job, but unfortunately, his offensive line is not doing very well. He makes his mind up, man. He tried to. They tried to throw a wheel route to Jones. The shadow cross came Scott ass free. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Scott free. Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because you see what happens when that happens and you miss throws like that. Ocho, you've made your mind up when you broke the huddle. I'm throwing this wheel around no matter what. And what you should have done. If that. If I catch that Mike backer who has to run with the wheel, if I catch him napping, I'm gonna throw the reel. Otherwise, I'm gonna go through the progression. I don't know who it was. I don't know if it was Addison, but I think they ended up getting a touchdown. Anyway. He ran the shallow. He was wide ass open. Yeah. He was basically streaking. I mean, they don't do that anymore like they used to in the 70s and 80s. It was a big thing, you know, streaking at sporting events. Yeah, but I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't get it. I don't. I don't get. I thought Minnesota kind of revamped the offensive line. Khalil Mack took the left tackle one time and just slid him in Wentz's lap. They were just like. I mean, every time I turn around, like, oh, they was pressuring him. He was running. You know, he gets flustered, and then his head is down and he's not looking down the field.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, he was frustrated. I mean, he let it. He let his emotion get the best of mommy. Obviously, you're showing. You're showing passion. You're frustrated, you're getting hit, you're hurting your elbow messed up and you're getting sacked me five times. So he allowed his frustration to show on the sideline. And listen, they go, they're gonna be all right. You know, Brian Flores and that defense, obviously they didn't look the par tonight, but they're not gonna look like this every game. They're not going to look like it's every game. They, they back to the drawing board. And we know what a Brian Flores defense can do. Just tonight wasn't their night. Hell, listen, the Chargers get paid too well.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We got to get some help. Oo can, can the offense. Can you stay on the field?

[Chad Johnson]

That. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because if you go after they score, if you kick the ball off and you go three and out and put us right back on the field, what the hell do you expect to happen?

[Chad Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

We need you to take a look, give us a break. Hey, hey, offense, hold on to the ball a little bit. Let us get some water. Hey, soon as I off defense. You up? Yeah, up. We just came out got over here.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So we, we'll see what, see where it's going. Because that, that, that. You got Detroit in that division and you got Green Bay and Chicago don't look like no slouch and Chicago is already beating you.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, they balling now, Bears balling.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So when you look at it, Ocho and you look at what, what they did last year, what they were 14 and three and right now they're three and four. So they're not winning. They're not winning, you know, nine straight games. 10 straight games. They're not winning 10 games and going 13 and four. So I'm sure Minnesota fans like, man, we should have just, we should have just went ahead and kept Sam Darnold and plus Ocho, 33 year, 100 million dollar deal. That's manageable.

[Chad Johnson]

That, that's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I have to give him 40 or 50.

[Chad Johnson]

But that's, that's a, that's a, a family discount. What you talking about?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, it is. So it's gonna, I mean, Vikings, Vikings beat the Bears. The Bears were winning. The Bears were winning in the first half and then J.J. mcCarthy had that outstanding second half. But the Bear, the Bears are a different team than when the Vikings face them opening day. I think we got, I think we could all agree to that. Look, that's a division game, NFC North, Green Bay, Detroit, Chicago and Minnesota, they play each other, they're very familiar with each other, but Chicago is a different team now. That's not the team that y' all played open tonight, and we know what Detroit is. Detroit is Detroit. And once they start getting their guys back healthy, it's only gonna get. It's only gonna look offensive. They're healthy is when they start getting those defensive guys back, right? The Kirby Joseph, the. The Arnold. When they start the. Brian Branch. He'll be back. He had a suspension. Once they start getting those guys back, Green Bay is Green Bay. If. If y' all couldn't keep. If y' all couldn't keep the charges off your ass, good luck keeping Micah and.

[Chad Johnson]

And.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And. And. And Rashawn. Gary. Gary, those guys off you. Good luck with that.

[Chad Johnson]

That's gonna be good luck. That's gonna be a good one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, the biggest story. I know it's football, but the biggest story that we've had in a very.

[Colin Coward]

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[Diplo]

Well, I kind of briefly met Bailey, I think, at Morgan's show, one of them. And I think he's just the guy in Nashville. He's cool as hell, and I had a new kind of sound I wanted to do, and I think he's the one guy that could carry it. And I came to his house. I had a show. I pulled up real quick. He was about to leave on tour. You're about to jump in your tour bus. And we had, like, three hours play the record for him. We kind of, like, got a scratch, and then he handled on his own on the road.

[Bailey Zimmerman]

Yeah, it was really cool. He really just, like, randomly showed up to my house and like, oh, hey, Diplo, what are you doing? He's like, I have a song that I want to show you. And I was like, okay. And then now we're here playing it live.

[Bobby Bones]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Terms Apply a very long time. Portland Trailblazers head coach Chauncey Billups, Miami Heat guard Terry Rozier were arrested by the FBI in separate gambling pros this morning. Phillips arrest is related to an illegal poker games tied to the Mafia. According to ABC News.

[Chad Johnson]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Tied to the who?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Mafia. If red collect the Bonanno, the Genovese, the Columbia, the Columbia Colombo and the Lucchesis.

[Chad Johnson]

Ooh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But anyway. Assistant coach Thiago Splitter would take over for Billups as Portland new interim coach. Rozier is accused of being part of a gambling ring that used inside information to make illegal wages. According to abc, Rozier and Billups are just two of the names arrested in a wide ranging probe called Operation Royal Flush. They need to stop. That started four years ago. Two indictments have 34 defendants listed. The indictment alleges that Rozier told associates and he was going to take himself out of games during the first quarter on March 23rd of 2023 against the Pelicans so others could bet the under prop bets. This information was sold to others so they could also profit. There was a 259,000 that was wagered on Rozier by a group of people with inside information. According to the indictment, Rozier played under 10 minutes in the game. Billups took part in a rigged poker game in Manhattan according to the FBI. How did do you do, how do you rig a poker game? Well, Ocho according they had X ray machines built in the tables. So when you lay the cars face down I can see what your whole cards are. So now, now I can play contact lenses through glass that read mark cards. So you know, oh, that's the ace. That's this, that's secret cameras in card trades. Billups is also alleged to have provided insider information on the trailblazer injury while team was tanking at the end of 2023 season. Former NBA player Damon Jones was also arrested. Jones sold information on the Lakers game so other could bet on it. According to the indictment, Jones is a close friend of LeBron James who did not play in the game in question. The Lakers were named in the investigation during the press conference. Each defendant in the NBA gambling case has been charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and conspiracy to commit money laundering.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey man, listen man. Boy, this is big. This is huge.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is ginormous.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, this is like an episode of Law and Order, you hear me? Okay, I understand the gambling part.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

What grabs me, what grabs my attention is the fact that the mafia is still prevalent in today's society. Now what do you think they win? Wait, hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's New York.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, listen. I know they never went nowhere, right? But they're never visible their presence. As opposed to the 70s, 80s.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what the real mob does. They're not flashy.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But they have. They have reputable businesses.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They have trucking and they have cement companies and they have delivery services. So they have legitimate. Legitimate businesses to hide behind the other things, see? And people ask why do you. This is why the NFL and the NBA puts out all injury reports. Okay? So therefore, because if they didn't put it out and guess what? People know I can get parts that information. And it would have looked like that. What happened in the Damon Jones situation? He gave them the information before it came out. So they bet before Everybody else knew LeBron James was a scratch. They had already got the money. So now the line is gonna come down. But they already got in on the other. It's just. Ocho, let me tell you a story.

[Chad Johnson]

Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. Wait, wait, wait. Let me get comfortable now. Cause your stories be good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, go ahead.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is why I stopped going to going. We used to have the same thing. We had play craps. Yeah, go Every Monday night. We would go. At first it was just guys on the team.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Former player. That was that. Everybody knew. I knew him a long time.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And so we would go over there, we would roll dice. Everybody mug's friend, you know, we led somebody money. The thing was, I wouldn't lend you money. So you can bet against me. What I look like giving you $1,000. And then you gonna fade me.

[Chad Johnson]

Right, right, right, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gonna fade me with my own money? No, that's not gonna happen. But anyway, okay. They started letting other people come in.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, stranger.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Other people come. Came in. Cause we didn't care. Hey, break. At first, we used to have like 10 packs of. 10 packs of dice. And sometimes, hey, you get hot on the dice. You keep the dice for like five, 10 minutes and you put the dice in your pocket. So, hey, man, these my special dice. I don't want nobody else to touch these.

[Chad Johnson]

Right, right, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, lo and behold, we. They let other people. They start letting other people coming out like. But who is you, man? I know such and such. Oh, Lord. Move out for this.

[Chad Johnson]

Don't tell me they came in there with some damn trick dice, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, they came in there with them crooks, which are loaded dice. And the thing was, Ocho, the hardest. The hardest points on the Dice to hit is 10 and 4. Because there's only two ways you can make it.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can make it five, five. Or you can make it six. Four. Yeah, the same thing with four. You get three. One. You get two. Two. You get flowers. Or you get Little Joe Kokomo. So that's it, man. That joker throw them dice. It rolled 10. So you know. Hey. So you know, hey, everybody go jump on that 10. You ain't gonna hit that 10, right? Hey, let me tell you something. I don't know, Chad, if y' all ever gamble before, but if you want to break up a dice game, hit 10 or four. I don't saw cars don't exchange hands. I don't saw a lot of ish happen with that 10 or 4.

[Chad Johnson]

Come on, now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But anyway, he came out, he hit 10. So, you know, everybody jump on it. Hey, you know, jump on it with both feet, too. You ain't fitting to hit that, right? So he took a cool two. 200. 200 off me, you know?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn. I said, let me come back. Let me come back. He rolled a 4 back to back. He rolled a 10. He kicked the 10. The 3 KO, the end was hitting it out the door. So I say, what the. So I. I only go over there with, like, 2,000, 2,500.

[Chad Johnson]

Right, right, right, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We broke the dice game up, hit for about 30.

[Chad Johnson]

What? 30. What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

30. 30, baby. You gotta realize it's like 15, 20 of us in there. We all NFL players. So we all got bread. Or guys would go to the ATM and get money and come back.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, hey, hey. Y' all should know something was up, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho didn't know. So I told my homeboy Burns he had gone out of town because at the time, Michelle was in Virginia. So bye week, you know, Not a bye week, but he would go home. So he would leave that Monday, go home, stay Monday night, come back Tuesday. Because a lot of times we didn't have. Pray we win. We didn't have. We didn't have no meeting. We didn't have anything. Just get back Wednesday.

[Chad Johnson]

Right, right, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

As a matter of fact, he was catching the red. I get home early Monday morning. But anyway, I told him. I said, man, Burns, you ain't gonna believe this. I said, dude broke the game up. He said what? He said what? He was hitting. I say, dude, we had a dude named Reggie, Reggie Hayward, he broke the game up. He had the dice for like an hour. I ain't never seen nobody get that hot, but it was Legit. He had the dice for an hour. Every point on the dice he hit. He was seven out the door. You hit. Hey, luch a that four, five. Hey, he was talking about born in 54, died in 63. What's my point?

[Chad Johnson]

Nine.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What? Jesse James carry 45. Hey, hey. He rolled four. Emmy Smith wallow out the door, stayed on the dice for an hour. I see Burns, old boy, ten or four had the dice just like that. Yeah. The next week, the guy house that he was at was at. He was rolling the dice, had two grand out there. Everybody had it. He crapped out. He picked the dice up and threw them. They split open.

[Chad Johnson]

Uh. Oh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now you could see where the weight was. So I. I go, I don't hear about this till the next. So this little Monday. Yeah. They start calling me, man Sharp. You ain't gonna believe this. I say, what, man? Man, bro had crooks. I said, he had some. He had to weigh the dice. Like, yeah, man, what you think we should do? I said, I don't know what y' all gonna do. I ain't gonna do nothing. Cause I'm gonna go to jail. So I said, look, I'm done. From that point on. I said, I'm done. I told birds, if you want to go. He's like, you ain't going. I ain't going.

[Chad Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But anyway. And I started. I. Look, boy, look here. I started to get the dude that vouched for him. I knew him, but he. We've been cool. You vouch for him. You vouch for him. You got to cover. But anyway, dude, I bought a brand new. Brought a brand new maximum, kitted it out, a new gear. That's what stopped me from doing. That's what stopped me from doing the house game.

[Chad Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got. First of all, it's got to be like, us.

[Chad Johnson]

It got to be us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's all. I ain't talking about no. Horrible. I'm sorry. No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Ocho, your homeboy. Your homeboy can't play, right? Everybody. Me, you, xyz, we NFL player. Boo. I believe we're gonna be on the up and up. But somebody come to the game, they know it. They know it's in it. Money gonna be there. Yeah. We'll come in and cheat.

[Diplo]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Car game, the same thing. That's what happened with the online poker. Yeah. Guys. So had had the online poker. He had. He had the. You know, it's a. What they call it, But Anyway, he's.

[Colin Coward]

He.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He. They could see your cards, right? So he.

[Chad Johnson]

Crazy technology so advanced. Listen, the part that scared me young. I understand Chauncey in trouble. I understand Damon Jones in trouble. I understand Terry, Roger, for one. I'm not risking it. I'm not risking the position that I'm in. I'm in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you don't believe you risking it, huh? Think about it. A lot of this stuff happened in 23. It's 25. Ocho. You Ocho. What criminal, you know make a score and said, I'm done. I quit.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, you. You can't. But you understand when the FBI get a hold of you now, the FBI, they watch it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They don't let it run. They gotta wait till they get you. Oh, yo, I can't get you with one charge. Cause you might. You a first timer. You gonna get off. I got to get you deep. I got to make sure the hook is set.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you got to build up. They got to build up this. This is scary.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, the fish, right? You gotta set the hook. Because if you don't sit it right, a big one. Gonna get away.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. But this. This the part that scared me though, right? Like understanding. Understanding. Okay, understand the gambling part. It's the part about being part of the Mafia, being entangled into it, man, listen, that's a no no for me right there off back. I done seen the Sopranos. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

I done seen Goodfellas. I know it's a depiction of. Of. Of a fictional story maybe, but that's real life. Yeah, I'm thinking about extortment. I'm thinking about once you tied into them, man, that's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now you got a point. Shave now. You got to feed them. Information is what I hate most. Look, and I know. Listen, I know Chauncey Billup since he was in high school. He went to G Dub in Denver, Colorado, which was about a mile from where I was staying. I used to stay in the Breakers. Anybody from Denver know exactly where the breakers are on Mississippi and where. And. And where G Dub is? There's a car wash. Used to be a Sterling car Wash right across the street. Chauncey Billings went to G Dub. He was sensational, sensational. Three time Mr. Basketball all state all year. So we get that. And so I feel bad for Chauncey and I hope. I hope this is what they suggest. But my thing is. And I hope this is just. But Damon Jones, do you. Everybody knows what LeBron goes through to try to make sure he has no stain. Because what did they put in the paper? They put LeBron James. This man is doing everything he possibly could to keep his nose clean to make sure he doesn't have the people. Look, Maverick, he grew up with Rich, he met at a very young age. Randy, he grew up with. So he insulated himself. LeBron don't have a whole lot of close friends. You see him, you're going to always see Randy. Randy's a sheep of staff. Rich is his agent. Obviously. Maverick handles all the other business inquiries. You, you put this man on the spot because it's a legend that you sold information that LeBron is not going to play before it became public knowledge. And they say they have a text message or something between the two. I just, I, I just hate, I just, I just hate.

[Chad Johnson]

And obviously the funny thing about that, LeBron doesn't know. I mean them, them exchanging message, him letting them know, that's like me texting you, hey, look, we finna play the Raiders, but I'm not playing like that's, that's no harm, no foul on LeBron part because he had no idea what's going on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Exactly.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. So, but, but the one thing, and what I was talking about, about them being dealing, dealing with the mafia, understanding these people, These people have no regard for life. No, once you in business with them, that mean you got the always.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Once they got them hooks in you.

[Chad Johnson]

I need all the answers. I need who's playing, who's coming out, what's the score line gonna be? And what happened when you get it wrong? What happened when you mess up? What happened when, when you, you, you, you place a bet, you give them certain information and it doesn't come out the way it should and they lose money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, all of a sudden you say he's not gonna play. Then all of a sudden he, he plays, he'll game time and he end up playing.

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on, what about this? Once you end, once you end with them like that, what about. You know what? I don't want to do this no more. I don't want, I don't want to know why.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't want to do it no more. And it's reported that like he got $2,500. So on a $50,000 bet, I think it was a $50,000 bet. Wasn't it a $50,000? It was over a hundred thousand. They gave you 2500. Now what, what? Hold on, they ain't even give you 10. They gave you 2%. What the hell I'm gonna do with that? 2, 2 hey, Ocho. Yeah? If it's 2 billion, I'll take 10. I'll take 2%, but not no damn 100,000. Nah.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just. Oh, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely not. Hey, hey, I'm, Listen, I, I understand the gambling part, right? And the gambling part to me, because I, I, I've been in that lifestyle. I don't gamble. Y' all know my cheap ass.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Chad Johnson]

Gamble. I'm saying, I've just been in that world for so long and seen so many people gamble.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Past 30 years. The part that is, that has me stunned and is amazed is, boy, you dealing with the, the, the, the Mafia like, I, I think, I think people just like letting it go. And hell no. They read Damon Jones, Chauncey, Chauncey, and goddamn Terry Rogier is the only ones that's on the goddamn news. Well, where's everybody else? What other 30?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No names. I gotta get big name. Oho. Let me ask you a question. When the last time you see somebody post a fish that was this big? They post the trophy fish? Yeah, they're the trophies.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. So now you, you lose, you lose your job, you lose your career, but, you know they still gonna be making any money, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, they ain't gonna, but, you.

[Chad Johnson]

Know, you know, you know it's not gonna stop. No, absolutely not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I. Bro, look here. And I, I used to gamble. I did. I mean, I used to come to Vegas and gamble. I gamble on the plane. We played, you know, we used to play tonk, and we used to play in between.

[Diplo]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Pots get up to 5, 10. 20,000.

[Chad Johnson]

$30,000American money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Boy, y', all, man, y' all tripping, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, I. Look, I, I took a call for Guy. I felt bad for him because I know if he had to go home, he gonna get a divorce. He had, he had a rest, though. A Chevelle 454, right? Black, beautiful.

[Chad Johnson]

You took the pink slip.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I said, man, give me three grand. Call it a day.

[Chad Johnson]

Y' all were. Betting card, pink slips.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, he got up, he got in the hole, and that's what happens, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, he was in the hole.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There was a story out here about a dude named, I think his name was Jeffrey Watanabe. Lost $204 million, lost his family fortune. Read it. Go read about it. Oh, 200. Go read about it.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, Chat.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, his name was Terry. I think his name was Terrence Watanabe.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, Chad, Somebody sent that to my, my Instagrams on my Twitter. Please, I got, I got to read that. How do you lose? Did you see the movie the Gambler?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Like I didn't know people had issues like that where they're addicted to gambling.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Gambling?

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Alcohol, drugs. Yes, it's an addiction. It's endorphins. It's a high, it's a rush.

[Chad Johnson]

How do you, you lose 250,000, you go to the Shark and ask for more money?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Two. Oh, hold on. Read that.

[Chad Johnson]

A lot.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Say what it was ash. 240.

[Chad Johnson]

240 million?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

@ what point do you say stop? At what point do you say no, I lose $20, I'm gonna lose my mind.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he was up. But see, here's the thing, Ocho, same thing. There was a guy named Arnie at the Binions. He was up, he was up 50 million, lost it all back. He had every $5,000 chip that was in the hotel. The che, the hotel used to have the casino. Used to have to come to his room and get the chips because he had them all. He lost it all.

[Chad Johnson]

You know what? I, I, I don't understand. I, I just, I, I couldn't, I can't grasp the concept. I understand gambling. Listen, I really can't talk now because I just started, I just started playing a little blackjack myself every time I go to Vegas. I don't go to Vegas often, but I go to the blackjack table. You know how much I spend? I take 200, 200 out at ATM. I paid a 25 hands. Yeah, when that, when that 200 gone, man, I'm hurting. I'm. And it's only 200. And now you, you saying these extraordinary numbers. How the hell you lose 240 million?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because when you get down, you try to get it back. Because let me tell you how it happens, okay? I lose 50. Hey, I lose 50, I'm gonna bet 100 to try to get it back. Now I'm down 150. So guess what I got to do, Ocho? I'm gonna bet 200 because I'm gonna get all three. I'm gonna get the two hands that I lost and I'm gonna be plus 50. And before you know it, now you betting 25, 50. A hundred thousand a hand. So how long will it take you? Because if you go on a rush, you go on a run, you could bet. Hey, go back and look. I think it was the mgm, Carrie, Pat with it. What was his daddy name? Packard. He was an Australian billionaire. Go read about what he, what he did to the MGM and how he wrecked their quarterly reports.

[Chad Johnson]

He wrecked it. Yes, well, he won. He went on a run.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He won, yes, big time.

[Chad Johnson]

But in order.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The lady that was serving him, she was bringing him, you know, his, you know, smoothies or water, whatever it was, right? Go get your mortgage. I'm gonna pay it off for you.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, he was talking spicy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He did it. Carrie Packard. Is this. Yeah. Yes. Dmgm. Read about it. I know all the stories.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, listen, Gambling. Gambling is an addiction, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely, it is.

[Chad Johnson]

And listen, a lot of people say, oh, stop acting naive. See, there's certain things that I don't know about. There's certain things that I don't know about because it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It.

[Chad Johnson]

It was never. It never sparked my interest. That's not something that. That. That I. It ain't like soccer. I could take about. I could talk about boxing. I talk about tennis, But. But gambling, hell, I just start. I just started playing blackjack this year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. Oh, he. He was a whale. Those are what they call whales. What? The guy used to be a penthouse. What was the guy on Penthouse? He was in the wheelchair.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, damn, I forgot his name. I met him one time. He own Hustler.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Damn, I forgot his name. I met him in la.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He passed away. He was a whale. Larry Flint.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, Mr. Flint. That's right. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, Ocho, the thing is, is that, look, I. I played a couple of hands and, you know, hey, you know, I. Hey.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. How much you. How much you were betting on? I don't mean to be in your.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Business, but let me tell you a story, Ocho. We was at the. The Rio. We was at the Rio, okay? And it was me. 7, 30, 53 and Crock Pot. It was us.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So we playing. So I had, like 25, 000 on me. John. John was playing. John would. So I had, you know, I've won. And he was playing. So he get a car. He split. So he got. So he. He split him. Then it was another of the same cars he split that we had about. He had about six cards that were split, and. And then he ended up doubling down. We had like 40,000 on the table. And the dealer bus, he took all mine. Because if. If, if, if, if, if the dealer would have hit all my little 25, 000 was gone. He was like, give me your money. I'm like, whoa, whoa, hold on. You might. Give you my money. What kind of bull job is this? But we won. But it's a O. Ain't nothing like it. It's nothing like sitting There you play 5,000 or $10,000 a hand, and then you get blackjacked. Oh, you get. Because what gets scary, Ocho. What gets scary, Ocho, is that when you get a double down hand and you got 5,000 or you got 10,000 on the wood. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Now when you got a double, Dan, when you got a double down hand, you got 10,000 on the wood. What that mean? You double your money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You double it. So you got to put 10,000, 10 more with it. Nah, double it or you split it. You gotta put 10. Guess what happens, Ocho? You get a double down hand. Yeah, you get a split. You get a split hand. So let you get. Say you get a pair of eights or a pair of nines against a seven or below. Yeah, you gonna split them. Now you get a three, a two or three. Now you doubling that. So now that's 20,000. Now you get this head. You get a split, you get a double. Now you double that. 20, 20, 30, 40. That's 40,000 on the wood.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, it ain't worth it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You hear me?

[Chad Johnson]

It ain't worth it because I'm thinking about the loss. I'm thinking about the loss.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you can't think like that. So you can't go to the table because you can't look at the chips as money. You look at them as objects. The moment you look at them as money get up from the table, hey, for one.

[Chad Johnson]

For one. Unless you make the kind of revenue and. And you have disposable income. Yeah. Shouldn't be gambling. No way. Yeah, unless you have disposable income. I don't care. NFL players, I don't care how much.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't care if you got a.

[Chad Johnson]

50, $80 million contract. Your ass shouldn't be at no goddamn crap table or playing blackjack or. No, no rotisserie or none of that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, what's the.

[Chad Johnson]

What's the one going in the circle again? What it's called.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's roulette.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm talking about rotisserie.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm talking about. That's a. That's a league. That's a. A gambling league. But anyway, I know what you meant. And plus, the new thing now is baccarat. Read the Phil Ivey story.

[Chad Johnson]

Phil Ivy, Famous. I know that name.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know. Hey, he a poker player? I know his name, but they went. They went. They went overseas. Him and a Chinese lady.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Read about that story.

[Chad Johnson]

It's good or bad?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's bad. Well, he won't. But they fought because the lady could count cards. Oh, you can see the imperfections. But Ocho, that gambling man is a dick. Ocho, why you think people be watching these games? You think they really be liking these teams? Some people do. I got fantasy and I got real money. You messing up my parlay. That's why they call you the N word. That's why they. Because of you suck. That's why they say you worse than Hitler. Bro, you lost me my money. What the.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, if you can't stand to lose your money, you don't bet. You don't. You don't bet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you suck, man. I'm telling you.

[Chad Johnson]

Oo, yeah, hey, but hey, that's. Hey, that's. That's fascinating. It's fascinating hearing the stories now. Yeah, it's fascinating. But I can't put myself in position to put my money where I have no control over whether I win or lose. I don't want it. The house don't let you in. I done heard enough horror stories to stay away from it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got to be able to see the thing, the reason why the house wins so much. They can weather the storm. Because guess what, Ocho, if you start winning too much, they'll ask you to leave. Okay, that's enough. That's enough, Mr. Johnson. No. What? What no you think. We think you have. You've done enough for tonight. The question is, when you win, can you get up on your own? Right? Because they don't usher you to. When you losing, they don't ask you to leave. Can you ask yourself to leave when you lose? When you start. Can you leave when you start to lose?

[Chad Johnson]

Man, listen, this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, this is what happened. Excuse me. This is what happens in. In the gaming space. Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. I mean, hey, can you imagine? How do you even. I'm still stuck on the mafia part because I understand how that can end. You put. You're not just putting your life in jeopardy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everybody get close to you. They play for keys now.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, man, I ain't got man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who. What.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, there's a certain. Excuse me. We speaking of gambling now. Excuse my. My lack of knowledge. I might be wrong. The greatest player. The greatest basketball player of all time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

If I'm not mistaken.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Second greatest. But okay. Yeah, he'll be gamble. Yes. Yes. He like to play black. Yes. Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Now if. Now you. You see where I'm going. I'm trying not to say it without saying it because you lost someone very close to him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But everybody know. But. But the thing is, there are a lot of people that Lost because they sit next to him and feel they got the gamble as much as him. He the logo. He ain't got to play no more basketball and he's still gonna get, he gonna get, you know, 300, 400 million and he ain't drip one last time. Michael Jordan dribble the basketball.

[Chad Johnson]

No, but see, you not understand what I'm saying. Didn't he lose somebody closest to him?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, based on.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, so you, you get where I'm going with it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Okay, see, that's what, that's what the reports believe that had, it had something to do with that.

[Chad Johnson]

Exactly, which is why I don't understand how Ch. Damon and Terry would even. Yo, you what you part of who Gambino?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who?

[Chad Johnson]

No, I'm good, I'm good, good. I'm good with none of that information because the minute it don't go right and you can't get to me, you're going to the next closest thing to me. I don't, I don't, I don't want that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So that's, you know, I, and, and, and reportedly the NBA investigated Terry Rozier and cleared him. That's the problem that you got. Yeah, they investigated him last year, Ocho. We briefly touched on this, and they cleared him. Now you see why the NFL, See, that's, see, that's why you can't do it, Ocho, because guess what? These gaming companies, they want to be able to bet with the NFL and mlb. So they're going to turn you in?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They're going to turn you in because hold on, wait a minute. He's just a guy and why are we getting all these problems back coming in on him and he just. Oh no, they'll pull it off the board, man. Please.

[Chad Johnson]

God damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I, I, I, look, in situations like this, Ultra, you got to just take your medicine and, and, and, and, and, and I, I just, I hope it's not true. I, I, look, I don't really know, I don't really know anybody but Johnson.

[Chad Johnson]

The FBI does not come and get you until they have enough evidence to convict you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can hope on your damn, you.

[Chad Johnson]

Know, hope the people in, the people in hell hope they can get some goddamn ice water. Is it coming? Absolutely not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I, I'm hoping.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, you know what I'm gonna hope with you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I, I just, I, I just, you know, Ocho, I'm just saying in a situation like this, you don't think, you, you don't think. Ocho, you know how we're wired. We think we're invincible. Because think about ocho, this was 20, 23 when this was going on. It's 25. Oh, you didn't forgot about that.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, no, they don't forget about nothing now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. You know, Ocho, you remember your grandma, Your mama said, well, my grandma used to. Boy, I'm tear your tail up when you get home. About two, three hours go by. Oh, she'd have forgot about that.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The next day, you know, she's shutting down on you so bad. I just. Boy, this is. This is. Boy, they about to get. They about to get real, real, real.

[Chad Johnson]

What? Straight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that, but that. No, but that's. That's the problem. That's why you see these fans when. When their team, man, what the first thing they say, man, you messed up my parlay. You messed up my fantasy.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, my.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, man, I'm not thinking about your fantasy. I think about I lost us the game.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, they were damn fantasy. They worry about that money. Yeah, that's it. That's messed up, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then they. They don't pull Gill into this. They talk about guild and dying people out. I think it was Rachel Nichols that put it out there. Like I like what Damn, Rachel, I hope you got some concrete solid evidence.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I think. I think Gil addressed it earlier. Earlier today.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, for illegal, illegal poker, illegal gambling. I think the thing is Ocho. And see, this is what lead what people to believe. See, I told you the NBA was rigged. I told you this was rigged. See?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, but see, hey, listen, you can't say the NBA or the NFL is rigged when a small. I'm talking about a very small percentage, very small percentage of people get in trouble like this. Very, very small.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on. You remember that show Hay Otani story, his interpreter. 20 million. Oh, and some of that was funneled through resorts world.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, but I'm. Hey, that's a. That's a different lip. 20 minute.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mm.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, but I tell you, man, I'll tell you one thing my grandma always said. My grandma always told me, boy, a fool and his money soon part. Shall soon part ways. And that there, I mean, excuse me. I don't mean to curse. It is stuck with me through a lifetime where I understand I can have a little fun. But I know where to draw the line. I understand there are addictions in the world, whether it be alcohol, whether it be drugs, whether it be gambling. I mean, whether. Whether it be horizontal activity. You know, gambling is one thing I've never done. Now I'm enjoying and having some fun. With it, with a 200 limit, only blackjack, because it's just me and the dealer and the people that sit down with me, they can help me understand the game and whether to hit or to stay. That's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Once I lose that, you need to learn how to play yourself. Because they're like, oh, would you like to play? I say, well, I ain't gonna play with my money. If you want to give me some of this house money and let me learn how to play, I'm not learning how to play nothing with my money. I'm gonna know when I sit my black ass down, I'm gonna know how to play. And especially if you at the blackjack table and you playing third base, boy, you mess up everybody hand. I'm definitely not letting you play third base.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, oh, you know, look, we gamble by everything because, see, in the. In the league, it's really. It's really not about the money. We bet obscure things. Like I say, I'm gonna bet you. I'm Gonna bet you $5,000 in pennies. I don't want your money. I want your pride. Everybody got money in the league. Yeah, some might not have as much as other, but I want you to go to the bank. I want you to go up to the cashier. Hey, hey. Take your debit card if you got one. And when that lady asks, you say, what are you going to do with $10,000 in dimes? Or what do you need $12,000 in Susan B. Anthony dollars for? You tell them I lost a bet to Shannon Sharp. That's what I want. I want you to blurt that out right. It ain't about the twitch. I can eat that. I don't care about no $5,000. I want you to take your ass to the bank and tell that cashier that you got to get $10,000 in dimes. Yeah, and y' all don't know if y' all notice, but y'.

[Chad Johnson]

All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all don't know how heavy coins are when you're getting that amount of money. Yeah, man, come on. Shut my head. I don't want it. The bet was 200 in quarters. It wasn't no 200 in bills. So take your ass to the bank. So I ain't taking it. I said I don't know what that is. I the money out my locker. I don't want that.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, man. God porters, hell.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Susan B. Anthony. I want Susan B. Anthony. I want them sack of your wheels. Hey, you know what? I tell you what. Give me A thousand dollar sack of your wheel. Them gold. Them gold dollar coins. That what I want, man. Kemp sharp, man. You know, I can't find. I don't know what you can find. Go on a scavenger hunt. Marco Polo. So that's the bad. This. This is. This is dominated. And Gus Ocho is not going to quiet down anytime soon. No, this not gonna quiet down.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely not. It's not. Because you have to understand, as the headlines already hit today, right, they're going to give you pieces of the story bit by bit, and then this is all. Honestly, more people are going to come out for sure. More people are going to come out. This is just. This is the cornerstone. This is the top piece. This is just to grab your attention. Now we're going to give you a little bit, little by little. Damn basketball season just started. Well, they decide to wait on what opening night.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When you gonna get the most attention? Ocho open at night. Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

Then they think they slick. All this is very strategic on their part as well. Yeah, I can't believe in the mob. I'm still. Hey, I'm still fascinated by that, man. One mistake. I done lost a million dollars because you told me so and so was playing. He ain't play. He ain't play. Well, you need to give me my money back, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I had a. A good friend of mine, we used to come out here. I used to come down to the Fremont, which is the old strip. Yeah, everything's on the new strip now, but everything used to be Binions and the Golden Nuggets, all that's downtown on Fremont. Yeah. And to hear those stories talk, I think his. I think it was his Uncle Jack. One of them got killed. He had had hordes of silver and gold and cash buried in the desert. And I may or may not have something. I' ma move on.

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[Diplo]

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[Bailey Zimmerman]

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