Nightcap Hour 1: Chris Paul PACKED UP and SENT HOME by Clippers + Giannis gets BLASTED for UNFOLLOWING Bucks instead of asking for TRADE

Summary

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Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1 (Dec 4, 2025)

Episode Overview

In this episode of Club Shay Shay’s “Nightcap,” Shannon Sharpe is joined by Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and NBA All-Star Joe Johnson. The episode dives into two major NBA storylines: the Los Angeles Clippers abruptly ending Chris Paul’s return stint, and the growing drama between Giannis Antetokounmpo and the Milwaukee Bucks. The trio unpacks locker room dynamics, athlete leadership, NBA front office decisions, and the evolution of player empowerment, all while infusing the discussion with the trademark humor and candidness of “Unc” Shannon and his co-hosts.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Chris Paul Sent Home by the Clippers (04:50–39:00)

What Happened?

• Chris Paul was sent home by the Clippers during a road trip, effectively ending his second stint with the team.
• Clippers’ official statement praised Paul’s historic role but referenced underperformance and leadership style “clashes.”
• Reports suggest Chris Paul and coach Ty Lue were not communicating; Paul felt labeled as a negative presence.

Player Leadership, Age, and Respect in Locker Rooms

• Joe Johnson: Empathizes with Paul as a veteran, calls the situation “unfortunate.”
  • “Losing exposes a lot, man... and you have to put the blame on someone.” (10:08)
• Shannon Sharpe: Draws a parallel to the NFL, discusses shifting player influence based on production.
  • “As you start to slip, your voice is not as loud... the 53rd man can’t get a meeting with the head coach. The 1, 2, 3 guy can.” (11:21)
  • “Losing doesn't build character. It reveals character.” (11:10)

Was This About More Than Paul?

• Sharpe and Johnson argue the root problem for the Clippers started with giving up major assets for Paul George and Kawhi Leonard.
  • “They made the biggest mistake since AOP gave his kingdom away for a horse.” (12:23)

On SGA (Shai Gilgeous-Alexander) Trade Regrets

• Johnson and Ochocinco lament the Clippers trading away SGA – now a league MVP and championship centerpiece for OKC.
  • “We had a goose that was laying golden eggs, and we gave him away.” (12:23)
  • Ochocinco: “You can already see the promise and potential... how the hell did they let Shay get out the goddamn building?” (23:05)

Declining Respect for Aging Stars

• Ochocinco notes it's often not what a veteran says, but how they say it that falls flat when their on-court value declines.
• Sharpe compares Chris Paul’s diminishing influence to Tom Brady’s ever-present cachet because of continued elite play.
  • “Chris Paul wasn't producing at that level to have... that megaphone voice.” (29:37)

Clippers’ Ongoing Woes

• The group sees the Clippers as farther from a title than before the Kawhi era began.
  • “I think that window has slammed shut... Kawhi is never going to give you enough games.” (35:05)
• Issues compounded by questionable trades, injuries (Kawhi, Paul George, Bradley Beal), and failed chemistry.

Aging in the NBA

• Discussion shifts to physical aging and preparation, with advice from Pat Riley and lived experience from all.
  • “The older you get, the lighter you have to be to play this game.” – Pat Riley (37:29)
  • “As we age, to gear up for a game, you gotta stretch, warm up... you gotta make sure that body right.” (38:12)

2. Giannis Antetokounmpo Unfollows Bucks, Seeks Trade (43:29–59:46)

The Situation

• Giannis unfollowed the Bucks and wiped their references from social media.
• Reports claim he requested a trade to the New York Knicks in the off-season; agent is negotiating his future.

Hypocrisy, Player Movement, & Changing NBA Norms

• Sharpe calls out Giannis for previously criticizing superteams, now reportedly seeking a move.
  • “Be careful, boy… you'll become the very thing you despise most in a person.” (45:24)
• Ochocinco: “It's easy to say all the right things when you're winning.” (46:55)
• All note the “era” has changed—player movement is standard, not taboo.

Fake Injury Speculation

• Johnson speculates Giannis' recent “non-contact injury” could be about protecting trade value, not real injury.
  • “Man, I don't want to risk injuring myself and lessening my trade value, so I'm gonna go down and pretend...” (51:22)

What a Knicks Trade Would Cost

• If Giannis moves to the Knicks, Milwaukee would demand major pieces – Karl-Anthony Towns, Mikal Bridges, OG Anunoby, picks.
  • “You try to find a way to keep Brunson and Cat [KAT],” but likelihood is slim. (53:57)
• Sharpe: “I want him out the East. Why would I want to see him four times a year!” (56:10)
• Names Orlando and Detroit as rising threats in the revamped Eastern Conference.

Broader Shifts in Player Empowerment

• Sharpe analogizes NBA trades to changing times in society: “It’s a new day. Social media, the landscape of professional sports is different now.” (59:38)
• The group laughs about posting significant others on IG, drawing parallels to players scrubbing team references.

3. The Discipline of Winning – Sports & Military Parallels (61:21–67:10)

• Discussion drifts into the necessity for structure and discipline in sports and life.

• Sharpe compares military discipline to the “Patriot Way” and the Miami Heat’s culture, sharing personal and family anecdotes.

  • “In the military… one mistake, there is no coming back. This ain't Call of Duty.” (66:25)

• Joe Johnson on Miami’s Heat Culture: “They got pre-practice before practice… that's the Heat way.” (65:08)

• Ochocinco on changing teams/roles: “When I got to New England, I knew I wasn't there to be Ocho… I understood the Patriot Way.” (61:47)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Shannon Sharpe on Declining Power:
  “Chris Paul is CP3 in name only, not in play. So if you can't produce the same way, you can't expect to have the same kind of leeway.” (13:07)

• Joe Johnson on SGA Trade:
  “They miss. They miss big time. I'm not sure I can think of another word... to definitively describe what the Clippers did when they let Shay go.” (23:06)

• Chad Johnson on Age and Conditioning:
  “The older you get, man, the lighter you have to be to play this game. It's a young man's game.” (37:29)

• Sharpe on Hypocrisy:
  “Be careful, boy… you'll become the very thing you despise most in a person.” (45:24)

• Joe Johnson speculates about Giannis:
  “I don't want to risk injuring myself and lessening my trade value, so I'm gonna go down and pretend...” (51:22)

• Shannon Sharpe on Modern NBA:
  “It is a new day. It is a new era... We've got to stop this notion our former great players wouldn't do this.” (58:48)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [04:13] - Hosts introduce themselves and discuss Nightcap’s podcast ranking.
• [07:50] - Joe Johnson reflects on joining Nightcap and his return to the show.
• [09:40] - Clippers send Chris Paul home, panel analyzes the decision.
• [12:23] - Clippers' front office mistakes and SGA trade lamented.
• [29:37] - Aging stars and shifting locker room power, Tom Brady vs. Chris Paul.
• [37:29] - The physical realities of being an older pro athlete.
• [43:29] - Giannis/Bucks trade drama introduced.
• [45:24] - Sharpe calls out player hypocrisy regarding free agency moves.
• [51:22] - Is Giannis faking injury for trade purposes?
• [53:57] - What would a Knicks trade for Giannis look like?
• [58:48] - Changing norms: player empowerment and NBA culture.
• [61:21] - Athlete discipline: sports vs military, lessons from the Patriots and Miami Heat.

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Tone & Speaking Style

The conversation is candid, humorous, and peppered with personal anecdotes, locker room analogies, and relatable pop culture references. The chemistry among Shannon Sharpe, Chad Johnson, and Joe Johnson keeps the discussion lively, insightful, and honest—neither shying away from criticism nor missing opportunities for comedy.

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Hello ladies and gentlemen and thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. I am your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharp, and my Partner & Co as normal joins me every time we do Nightcap. He's Liberty City's own Bingo's ring of fame honoree, a former pro Bowler and an all pro. He's Chad Ochocinko Johnson and the third member of the Big three that joins us on Wednesday. Hopefully we can get him a little bit more once basketball season kicks off. Little Rock, Arkansas native, University of Arkansas alum, seven time All Star. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Ice. Oh, Joe Johnson. Joe, how you doing tonight.

[Chad Johnson]

Bro? Come on, man. Come on. Hey, I woke up this morning, I can't complain.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Baby. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, well, ain't nothing to complain about after that then. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed. Wherever you get your podcast from. We would like to thank each and every one of you for your support and your continued support, because thanks to you, this is what we've become. And only because of you, we will, we shall continue to rise. All the awards, all the adulation and praise that Nightcap receives is only because of you. And none of this is possible without you. So thank you again for your support and your continued support. Now, for those just trying to get a bottle of Shade by La Portier, if it's not in a state or city near you, you can order it online or just head over to laportiercognac.com to grab your bottle. This Friday, December 5th, we'll be at the Total Wines and More on 6885 Las Vegas Boulevard at 6pm Come over, say hello to your favorite, get your ball of shade, get it signed. Let's have some conversation. We greatly appreciate you stopping by. It is the best tasting premium BSOP cognac on the market compared against other Bsop cognacs. And I'm sure once you taste it, you'll see the smoothness, the taste. Hey, we're second to none. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Please go follow my media company page on all of its platforms. That's Shay Shay Media and my clothing company. That link is pinned into the chat. We have Alicia Bumgarner joining us a little bit later. But first we start with basketball. But before we get into that, we want to thank each and every one of you. Today we find out in the YouTube rankings, we're the number 13 podcast, not just of sports, but of all things, all the. There are over 500 different podcasts. That's on YouTube. We're number 13. 5,005. Okay, 5,000. There are 5,000. There are thousands of podcasts on.

[Joe Johnson]

YouTube. Wait a minute, wait a.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Minute. Number 13. We're the number one sports podcast of all the people that do sports. Yeah, we're number one on YouTube. Of all the people that do sports. We don't need to call no name. We don't need to hype ourselves up, but try to talk down to someone else. But. But I'm just saying this is only because of you, because none of this is possible without you. All the things that I've been through and Ocho stood by me and Joe came back and joined us. All of this is because of you. And I personally can't thank you enough. What you want to say? Okay, wait a.

[Joe Johnson]

Minute. I'm listening to the numbers. The numbers is astonishing. We barely entered in our second year. Now we talk about thousands and thousands and thousands of other podcasts many that have started before us and the fact that we're 13, that's tremendous. That is an amazing accomplishment. And obviously our success is all because of you that continue to watch and support us. Y' all are the meat and potatoes to why this thing is going the way it is. And I want to thank you, you know, from the goodness and the graciousness of my heart and what we just started. And we gonna get to that number one spot. We gonna get.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There. That's our goal.

You know, Joe came on with us last year and to do basketball and he came back with us again this year. So we want to than being a part of this. And a lot of people were trying to get Joe, but Joe, he was looking for the right situation, somewhere he could be himself, be comfortable and talk about not only basketball, but he wanted to talk about other topics as well. So we think Joe is the perfect fit for Nightcap to be a Big three. That's on Wednesday night. And as I said, as we move into the new year, hopefully Joe would want to come on for an extra night. But we'll see how that pans out. Oh yeah. To all you guys. That's watching, that's listening, that spread us, that spread Nightcap through word of mouth. Ocho and I and Joe want to personally thank you for your support and your continued support. But first we got to start with some basketball. Joe, Chris Paul time with the Los Angeles Clippers. I guess they say the second time is not better than the first time. Paul was sent home by the franchise late last night in the middle of a 5 game road trip. CP3 wrote on IG just found out I'm being sent home. The Clippers then are now saying that they had released Paul, saying Chris is a legendary Clipper and had a historic career. But I want to make one thing very clear. No one is blaming Chris Paul for our underperformance. I accept responsibility for the record we have right now and there are a lot of reasons why we've struggled. We're grateful for the impact Chris has made on this franchise. According to Shams, Chris leadership style clash with the team and he had not spoken to Ty Lue for several weeks. Per Chris Haynes, Chris Paul requested a meeting with Lou to discuss perception he was a negative presence on the team and who refused to meet. Joe, having played 17 years in the NBA had been one of the the leaders at a lot of different places. What do you deduce what is hap, what happened and how did it. What seemed promising the second time Around. How did it go so bad so.

[Chad Johnson]

Quickly? Well, Uncan Ocho sounds like to me, I played with. Obviously I played with Taron Lu. He was a point guard here in Atlanta. I had a chance to play with Chris Paul in the USA in 2006, and I played with him in Houston. That one year with James Harden was just unbelievable. And we lost to the warriors game. What was that? Seven could have went to the finals. So I know both of these guys pretty well.

Chris. Chris Paul is a point guard, is very bullheaded. You know, he is a natural leader. So if he sees something that he doesn't like or he don't think that's. That's helping the team, man, he's obviously gonna voice that, he's gonna say something. You know, he's just one of those guys who can't help it. But, Uncle Ocho, y' all know, losing exposes a lot, man. It exposes a lot. And when you getting your butt kicked night in and night out, you know, I feel like you have to put the blame on someone. And unfortunately, you know, it seems, though, even though they came out with a statement and said, chris, is this. This has nothing to do with it. You know, his. Our record is why we excusing him from the team. But it's just a bad look, man, on a guy who's already. Who is a Hall of Fame point guard, who's already said that this is his last year playing. You know what I mean? So it's like, what. What was so bad or egregious that he couldn't stick it out this full year? That's. That's yet to be determined. Obviously, it'll take one of those guys to kind of speak on it, but it just seems like an unfortunate situation.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man. Losing doesn't build character. It reveals character. And what transpired. What transpired? Let me tell you. Let me. Let me tell you from a football perspective, and let me know what you think.

[Chad Johnson]

Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. You see, Chris Paul has always been one of the two or three best guys on the team. Yeah, he's an all NBA selection. He's an all NBA defensive selection. He's one of the top two or three point guards year in and year out. You see Ocho and Joe, as you start to slip, your voice is not as loud, and it can't be as.

[Chad Johnson]

Loud.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. So things that you would normally say when you was all NBA, you was all defensive. You could go to the coach, demand the meeting, and no problem. You see, Ocho, you know, this. The 53rd man can't get a meeting with the head coach. The 1, 2, 3, 4 guy can get a meeting with the head.

[Chad Johnson]

Coach.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And you see what transpired. Yeah. He's saying what's going on. But nobody wants to hear that, Chris, because you're not the player. You can't help us get out of what's going on. This is what I take from. This is what I take. I think happened. This thing went awry when they gave up all those picks for Paul George, and they moved heaven and earth to get Kawhi Leonard. Kawhi had. They won one championship. You see, Toronto gave up a lot to get Kawhi. It was well worth it because. What, Joe? They won a.

[Chad Johnson]

Championship.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah. You see, now the Clippers are further away from winning a championship than when they were before they even got Kawhi. Yes. So now we've given up all these picks. Y' all see what Shea doing on a nightly basis, not only did it win a championship, he's Finals mvp. He's a league mvp. And we had him, Joe. We had him. We had a goose that was laying golden eggs, and we gave him away. We made the biggest mistake since AOP gave his kingdom away for a horse.

That's what happens as you get old and it happens to all of us. We all are not going to have the same ability to go speak or to go knock on the boss's door and have a conversation with him. Right. It will happen to us.

[Chad Johnson]

All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And that is what happened to Chris Paul. Chris thought he was from outside looking in chat. I haven't talked to anybody. I have not talked to anybody. So I'm just saying, from my standpoint, yes, Chris is looking at himself. He's Chris Paul and CP3 in name only, not in play. So if you can't produce the same way, you can't expect to have the same kind of leeway. You can't be that critical.

Because you could be critical when he was that guy, when he was in New Orleans or all these other places, when he was at Houston and he was OKC, you could have that. Yeah. When you play eight, 10 minutes a night, guys, you don't get that kind of. You don't get that kind of leeway. You don't have that kind of luxury. That's what I deduce from what happened in this situation.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey. Hey, Joe. And I'm curious, obviously, with Chris Ball, with Chris Paul playing, as long as he's playing, being a seasoned veteran in the game, understanding what it takes to win. The Clippers have had mishaps obviously with the trade which with, with Shay and other things not going right with the, with the Kawhi trade. Why not? Why not he not be able to express himself and say this is what you, what we need to do if you want to see things go in the right direction. Why would they not listen to him? Why would they not take heed to what he's saying? Does management or do the people in positions of power have that much of ego? Are they that prideful to let someone that is put the kind of work that Chris Paul has done in the league itself and being successful, a Hall of Fame at that. They won't even not just.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen. Ocho. It sounds more like of, of how the message is being delivered to me. If you ask me, like there's a way you can still lead. Although he's coming off the bench, he's trying to be that spark plug that lead off the bench. You know, he, he can't help, you know, to get a little emotional probably, you know, throughout this course of the season, man, it's been a rough patch for the Clippers early, you know what I mean? I've watched him play numerous times so I know the frustration has set in like, like on say, when emotions is high, logic is low, you know what I mean? So they said and had a meeting. He, he released us. He released the IG post at three in the morning, said they were sending him home. From my understanding they was meeting up to that point. That's how long it took for them to kind of get an understanding. So.

Ain'T just clear cut and dry that they just let him go like it was more to the situation that obviously that'll probably never get out to the public.

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Everybody doesn't. Bill Davis. Bill Davis, my college coach told me one time, he told the team one time, he said, I'm gonna treat y' all all fair, but I'm not gonna treat you the same.

Do with that chat. Do with that what you want. You know, on the job, the boss might treat y' all off air, but some of y' all say, well, he got favorite X, Y and Z, but they don't treat you all the same. Kawhi get privileges. I remember Paul Jordan had a conversation. That's what rub. Pat bailed them the wrong way. Those guys come in late. We got a whole. We can't start practice. We can't take off on the bus. We can't take off on the plane. Yeah, well, that's what happens when you're one of the two star players. You get listened to when you're not the star player and you're not even playing 15, 20 minutes a night, it's hard. First of all, the guys are not going to listen to you. The same audit.

[Chad Johnson]

Joe. No, I did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not. That guy Ocho. How many times the special team guys. Come on, Ocho, let's go. You looking at him like, if you don't sit your ass down and get out my face.

I ain't telling what somebody told me. I'm telling you what I.

[Chad Johnson]

Know. Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, hey. At the same time, you know, I know C.P. he understands like, okay, I got a great relationship with James Harden. I got a good relationship with Kawhi Leonard. He.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain'T. If.

[Chad Johnson]

It'S. If it's really something that wrong or, you know, something that's really messing with him, I'm sure he'll go to them and Be like, hey, look, man, we got to go talk to coach. We got to go talk to T. Lou. He'll go to James Harden. He'll go to Kawhi. We need to go talk to T. Lou about this situation, man. Hey, we got to be better here. We got to be better there. I just can't see him over. Going over James Harden and Kawhi and then just going straight to the source, being like, hey, man, we got a xyz. You know what I mean? Like, I think he. I think he has. I know he has more sense than that. And obviously his value and his say so into this through those dudes, obviously it will be heard, you know, a lot better as. As though it's just coming from him. So I really. I'm not sure what really got him to this point, but like I said, man, I watched him play a few times, and it hasn't been.

[Joe Johnson]

Pretty.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Dang. The man getting DMPs, healthy scratches. It's only a matter of time. That is a prideful man. That man has played 20. What? 20. 20. 21 NBA seasons, Joe. Like I said, he's a top 75 player all.

[Chad Johnson]

Time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. That sink in for just a second chat. He's getting healthy DMPs, DMP, healthy scratch. DNP healthy scratch. Not an injury, not coach's decision. Healthy.

[Chad Johnson]

Scratch.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. So now it is telling you now, I don't. Like I said, I don't know. Maybe, you know, hey, y' all need to do this. Y' all need to do that, man. It's kind of hard to tell somebody something when you not doing it or you can't help us do it. Yeah, yeah. But this situation is bigger than Chris Paul because the Clippers right now chat. And y' all know this, and everybody that's listening to us know this. The Clippers are farther away from winning a championship right now than when they were before. They got Kawhi. Kawhi. Injuries has harmed this team, giving up all those draft picks. Do you know.

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. That OKC Thunder still get the Clippers number one draft pick in 26. Think about that. All those picks they got, they built this roster. They build a team that set for the next.

[Joe Johnson]

Decade.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Thanks to the Clippers. Thanks to the.

[Matt Rogers]

Clippers.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. They. They miss. They miss big time. This. This is more than a miss. I'm not sure I can think of another word, you know, to. To definitively describe what the Clippers did when they let Shay go. And I. I asked. I mean, Joe, I asked Unc this earlier. Most of the time. If you. If you can see, you know, scouts and GMs, there. There's a. There's a visual where you can tell a player special. Because certain players, look, even if they're young and they just come into your team, you can already see the promise and the potential in them. So I asked, well, how the hell they even let Shay get out the goddamn building anyway when he's as special as he is? You're not going to tell me, oh, he's with the Clippers and he's like, ah, you know what? I think we can. We can do without this individual. And then all of a sudden he goes to Oklahoma and looks like he does now. One of the best in the league.

Maybe one, depending on who you goddamn ass. Based on preference on the position and play you actually like. What the hell was the Clippers looking.

[Chad Johnson]

At? They ain't. They. They ain't. They didn't see this, bro. They.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They. Nobody saw.

[Chad Johnson]

This. They see. They knew he was gonna be special. They knew Shay was gonna be special. But Ocho, I promise you, they ain't see this, bro. They didn't say. I'm be honest with you. I ain't see this. I thought he was a hell of a player, right? But the mega stardom that he's jumped himself into, the consistency that he plays with and being reliable night in and night out with 30 plus points a night, obviously the 1A championship, looking like they going to repeat, man. They didn't. They.

[Joe Johnson]

Ain'T.

Man. Them boys 21 and 1.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man. Yes, 21 and 1. He couldn't be this. You know why he couldn't be this? Because he wasn't going to be number one with Kawhi. You see, he's the unquestioned leader in okc. Yeah. So now if you bring Kawhi in, Kawhi gotta get the.

[Chad Johnson]

Ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

No. And Kawhi made it be. Let it be known, if you don't make this deal to get Paul George, I'm going to sign with the Lakers and Anthony Davis and LeBron James. And if you're the Clippers, you cannot allow that to happen because they already had LeBron. Now they got another superstar and Anthony Davis to pair with him. And you want them to get a third.

[Chad Johnson]

One. Hey, and not only that, Uncle Ocho, Kawhi and Paul George are two LA kids, they from California. So, yeah, I'm sure they want to do anything they could to make that possible, because I'm sure they thought they was going to win a title. Now I think with Shea, with him being traded, it put a little more off in him to be a better player, to be a better leader, you know what I mean? Like, okay, they traded me. I bet I' ma show them. So I think a lot of that is kind of oozing him as well. And from getting traded, bro, you learn a lot about a lot of people, and not only that yourself. I think that helped catapult him into a start, but he's like, all right, every year, I'm continue to get better and better and better. Next thing you know, now the mvp. Now we didn't want the championship. Now we're working on our second one. You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Just. You.

[Chad Johnson]

Don'T. You never know how things play out if he stay in la, you know, if he's complacent, if you know what I mean? It's just so many different variables that come in, that come into play. It's like, bro, ain't no way y' all could have seen this man was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Finished. No, he couldn't. He wouldn't have been what he is because he wouldn't have had the ball like he does. He has the ball. So you mean to tell me you're going to bring Kawhi and give him all of that, make all those concessions, and you think you're going to turn that ball over to somebody else? It's not going to happen. No, it's not. Nah. And so now he was able to play free. Ocho, look at. Everybody knows who's the number one guy on okc.

Okay, J Dub. Okay, Chad. Everybody else fall in the line, right? But there's only one you can. You gotta have. You gotta have a pecking order, you know? That was kind of what happened in okc, wasn't it.

[Chad Johnson]

Joe?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. When Kevin Durant in Ross, you.

[Chad Johnson]

See and James, what.

[Joe Johnson]

Happened.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Now you have no issue. Ocho said, no. I was like, look here. It's like your girl said, look, you know. You know, there's a possibility. She said, but if you don't do what I ask, I'mma move him in. I'm moving in with him. And we right next door to.

[Joe Johnson]

You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right? That's what. The Clippers was under the gun, Ocho. What choice did they have? You got LeBron James. You got the biggest name in the NBA with the biggest franchise in the NBA. And they just got Anthony Davis. Yeah. Yeah. So now you have no choice to give him everything that he's asking for. I want this. I want that. I want this. Okay. Okay. And if you Don't. He told him flat out. It's being reported that he told him flat out. If you don't get Paul George, I'm going to go with the.

[Chad Johnson]

Lakers. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Right. That's, that's crazy. So.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Crazy. Now he got hurt. They got to the. Getting to the championship game. He get hurt. You remember that, the game Ocho. What? What? No, I mean, Joe, they, they beat.

[Chad Johnson]

Utah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. If they got, if they got. And then I think.

[Chad Johnson]

They. Yeah, they.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Have. Remember that first game against Phoenix? Kawhi goes.

[Chad Johnson]

Haywire.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. He get hurt in that.

[Chad Johnson]

Series. Yeah. That's the only reason why they lost that series. I think if he wouldn't have got hurt in that Phoenix. Because Phoenix went on to the finals that.

[Matt Rogers]

Year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. If they ended up, they ended up losing to Milwaukee, but they had a 20 lead and then lost four.

[Chad Johnson]

Straight. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So. But I just, I just think the thing is for me looking at it from the outside, looking from outside in, I'm not inside looking out. Being a player and an older player.

I give you a prime example what's going on in Pittsburgh. Go show Aaron Rodgers quarterback, say, guys ain't coming to meeting that he.

[Joe Johnson]

Called.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

I'm just saying. He's saying, hey, you know, we asked guys to come by. Let's be critical of ourselves.

[Joe Johnson]

Right.

Hey, that's, that, that's, that's crazy. I mean, just, just, just thinking about it, what Chris Paul has.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Accomplished.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Being a 70, being a part of that 75. How you say.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It? 75, 75th anniversary team, five greatest players to ever.

[Joe Johnson]

Play. One of the 75 greatest players of all time, a definite hall of Famer, still doesn't have.

The weight despite not being as valuable as he once was. Where his word means nothing at this point. And that, that's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Crazy. I can get another example. Look at Tom Brady. Tom Brady was the oldest player in the locker room. But what was he doing, Ocho? Producing at extremely high level. You see, Chris Paul wasn't producing at that level to have that kind of bull, that megaphone, that megaphone.

[Chad Johnson]

Voice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. You see, I'm just telling you how it.

[Joe Johnson]

Goes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And people say, well, what they didn't know, but I was still producing at a high level. I was still right there. I was one or two on the team lead in yards and catches. So I was still producing at a high level. Chris Paul, a 12 time all star, 6 time steel champ, all rookie defensive, 9 time all defensive, 75th anniversary team, 5 time assist champ, 11 time all being NBA 2005, 6. A rookie of the year 2012, 13 all star game MVP. So the resume. But you got to update that resume. Ocho. Yeah. When was the last time you saw. When last time we saw him in All Star Game.

[Chad Johnson]

Joe. It's been. It's been a while, but. Okay. He like, he likes what he likes. Second or third in the history of the game. And assists.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

I think he third. I think he third behind Stockton and.

[Joe Johnson]

Kid. Okay.

That'S. That's crazy. It is fun. It's funny. It's funny. This happens all the time, just not in sports, in life in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

General. Okay. He passed J. Kid. Yeah, he's second now.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. That's.

[Chad Johnson]

Crazy. That's a hell of a feat there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boy. Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

Oh, that's crazy, boy. So hold on, hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe. You know, look, you was what you had accomplished at Atlanta. That's.

[Chad Johnson]

Atlanta.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. When you go into a different situation, you move very, very differently. Every different situation you went into until you found out the landscape of the land, you just can't be that same.

[Chad Johnson]

Person. Yeah, you're.

[Joe Johnson]

Right. Unless you, unless.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You. That guy.

LeBron James go to. Go to Miami. He tried to take a backseat. Dwayne said, bro, in order for us to do what we need to.

[Joe Johnson]

Do, you got to be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You. You got to be.

[Joe Johnson]

Him. You got to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Be. He goes back to Cleveland, it's a no brainer. He takes over. Maybe that rubs some of the guys the wrong way. He goes to la. Well, he's the best player on the team. The best player on the team coming in. It's understood. What's understood doesn't need to be explained. But when you what? Not the first, not the second, not the third, not the fourth, not the fifth best. And another mistake they made. They keep making mistake after mistake and they keep compounding it. You gave up a Norman Powell, who really should have been an all star last year for Bradley Beal. Bradley be done for the rest of the.

[Chad Johnson]

Year. That boy averaging.

[Joe Johnson]

About. Oh, what? Hey, wait a minute. The season just.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Started. It ended for him. It's.

[Chad Johnson]

Over. It's over. He heard him. I think he hurt his knee or something, but he.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Done. Yeah, I think it's his.

[Chad Johnson]

Hip. Yeah. Hey, hey. Norman Po that every about 24, 25 a game in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My. Absolutely.

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. You see, when you make a mistake. OO and you compound.

[Joe Johnson]

It.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. You brought. I'm trying to figure. I just. Joe, help me understand this. Joe. They saw him in that situation in Phoenix. In Phoenix. Book and kd. He couldn't be third.

[Chad Johnson]

Fiddle.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. You know what? He'll be a better third fiddle here behind Kawhi and James.

[Chad Johnson]

Harden. I think what the Clippers were thinking, Uncle Ocho, okay, we bring Bradley Bill over. He still got some youth in him. He's a little younger than Harden and Kawhi. Kawhi gonna miss a lot of games. We know that. We gonna need a guy who can step in and maybe score.

[Joe Johnson]

Huh? I say a guy that can step in and.

[Chad Johnson]

Score. Yeah, we're gonna need a guy who step in to give us 18 to 25 a night. I think that's what the Clippers were banking on. And obviously due to injuries, man, he, you know, he just ain't been able to. Bradley Beal was never able to deliver that for the Clippers, so it put him in a tough bind. Harden has been playing great all year, but it's been hard because outside of Zubock, you know, when Kawhi does play, you know, he does give him great minutes, but they don't have no chemistry continuity. You can kind of see it when they play. You know what I mean? So. And it's just. It just. It just hasn't worked this year for him.

[Joe Johnson]

Man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn. It.

[Chad Johnson]

Hasn'T.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It. It hasn't. But, Joe, I'm trying to figure out how do they expect somebody to get healthier as they get older? Look at Bradley Beal's history. The last couple of years, he's been.

[Chad Johnson]

Hurt. I know they tried. They. They was optimistic. They tried to give him a try. They. It's like, hey, listen, okay.

We understand that he ain't perform well in Phoenix, but we gonna give him another chance. Look, this chance we giving him, it ain't gonna really cost us nothing. On top of that, we try to bring in CP Cause if not, then you gotta pay Norman Powell max dollars to stay close to max dollars to stay. So I think they were trying to avoid that, too. So, yeah, they were trying to cut.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Corners.

And Powell has gotten better and better. And now you see him. When Tyler Hero was out, he was cooking.

I mean, hey, he can take you off the dribble. He can spot up. He can shoot the three off the jump. I mean, and now he got. They got Tyler Hero back. It's just. It's just been one thing after another for the Clippers. And unfortunately, it. I. I think that window has slammed shut with Kawhi. Because Kawhi is never going to give you enough games.

[Joe Johnson]

Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. To amount to anything. And then when you least, he can't Play back to backs. And. And in the playoff, you're playing every. You play it every other.

[Chad Johnson]

Day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. After you get past game three, it's.

[Chad Johnson]

Time. It's time to blow it up. Get. Get some. Get some. Some draft.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Capitals. I don't know. You got how many more years? Because.

How many more years they got on Kawhi? Because they just gave Kawhi a new.

[Matt Rogers]

Deal.

[Chad Johnson]

Man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They. You gave Kawhi a new deal. You walked away from Paul George, which looks like a good thing now because they wanted to do a three year deal. Paul wanted that extra fourth year. Philly's gonna be kicking their own self in the ass. But Philly's gonna be kicking themselves in the ass with Joel Embiid also, because he got damn near 200 million in the next three years coming. But look, go.

[Chad Johnson]

Ahead. Philly. Philly. Philly ain't got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A.

[Chad Johnson]

They.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They. They got a.

I blow it up. I'm building around Maxi and.

[Chad Johnson]

Edgecombe. They got a decent problem because they got some young boys on their team in Philly who can go get it when MB and. And Paul George ain't playing. They got some boys out there who will go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep. I enjoy watching them. Edge Cone. What's the guy that come up come off the bench?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Maxi. Yo, yo. Quinn Grimes. Yes. Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah. They got some promises. They got some promise over there. The club's gonna have to do something, man. I don't know what they gotta do. They gotta do.

[Joe Johnson]

Something. Hey, what's. What's the issue? I. I know Joel Embiid is. His knee. His knee is bothering.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Him.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. With Paul George. Paul George knee.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Too.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep. Yeah. I think he had a procedure and I think he had a procedure right before the season started, too. Ocho. Which kind of set him out some.

[Joe Johnson]

More.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. You got. You got two more years at damn near. I think he signed a four year, $212.

[Joe Johnson]

Million.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. So you. You. You. You see what you. You see what you're looking at, right? Oh, you're looking at about $50 million a.

[Chad Johnson]

Year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Joel Embiid got three years. Almost 200 million a guy. He's out. Can't play back to back. They already said Joel Embiid is not playing back to back. Guess what? He's getting older. He's getting heavier. I. Like I said, I've never seen somebody get healthier as they got.

[Chad Johnson]

Older. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. And Kawhi. Kawhi needs bad, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh? But what bad? Worse than mine.

[Chad Johnson]

Man. Hey, look.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look. The only reason, the only difference is. I'm 57. He's not even.

[Chad Johnson]

37. Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why?

[Chad Johnson]

Hey. A wise man once told me, the older you get, man, the lighter you got to be to play this game. This is a young.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely. This was Pat Riley when I played in Miami. Ocho. For a couple months, me and him sat out. He was like, joe, the older you get, the lighter you have to be to play this game, man. It's a young man's game, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho? Remember I told you, as I started to get older in the league, I got lighter and lighter, lighter and lighter. All of a sudden it was 232, then it was 231, then it was 2 29, then it was 28, then it was 26. You.

[Chad Johnson]

See? Yes, sir, Uncle Ocho, I always tell people, man, the older that we get, the harder it is to play the games that we love, because we have to work a lot harder than somebody who's younger. You know what I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mean?

[Chad Johnson]

Yes. Like, as we age, and you get in your 40s, your 50s, just to gear up for a basketball game. Hey, man, you can't be out there playing. You got to. You got to stretch, warm up. You got to make sure that body right before you put on that freeway. So I get.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It. You got it. Joe, I. You gotta. Two things need to happen. One or the other, and sometimes both. You gotta work out harder and eat less. Sometimes you gotta do both of them. Now you gotta work out harder and eat.

[Chad Johnson]

Less.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah. You gotta have. Can I do one or the other? Do I gotta do both? Or B, O, F, F.

[Chad Johnson]

Both. Now, listen, ain't no way around it. You got to do both. You have. Yeah. Eat. You have to eat less and work out harder. That's the way it goes. Like your training has. I tell my son this all the time. I know he a lot younger, but I tell. I said, man, your training has to be far harder than the game itself. You know what I mean? So when you do play, you can make it look easy, you know what I mean? If you training hard and going hard, sweating, you got your heart rate, like that's what you want. Because when you touch the floor, the court or the field, man, you want to look easy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bro. Yeah, Joe, y' all did him bad tonight, you know? They're in Atlanta. Hawks fan erupted. Where's Chris.

[Chad Johnson]

Paul? Oh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man. Where's Chris.

[Chad Johnson]

Paul? Oh, he from right up the street, North Carolina. I bet there's a lot of people that I see him play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tonight.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Damn. Bonus tonight, too. Didn't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It?

[Chad Johnson]

Huh? I think they did a number on the Hawks tonight. The Clippers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did? I don't know. I.

[Chad Johnson]

Know. Yeah, man, they got US 115 and.

[Shannon Sharpe]

92. Damn. Damn, man. Jalen Johnson been playing out his damn.

[Chad Johnson]

Mind. He didn't play tonight. That.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Was.

[Chad Johnson]

That. That was the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Problem. Oh, okay, now it makes sense.

[Chad Johnson]

Then. Yeah, that boy been. Hey, he been balling. He gonna be offside and.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Too. Yeah, he played like an all star. Oh, man, them young guys are really doing a number.

[Chad Johnson]

Man. They are. They are. They got some guys out there that's playing hard. But I don't want people to lose sight of Trey not being out there, man. He's definitely gonna be needed because he, to me, Uncle Ocho, he's the it factor. He's the guy who can win you a series, who can get you to the next round. Like, yeah, it looks great now, you know, throughout the regular season, we winning games, but, man, look, when it. When he get nut cutting time, you know, we gonna. We need a guy who done been there and know what it takes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right? Like, man, Jamal Murray had a monster game, Joe. He had 52 points. He was 19 of 25 from the floor, 10 of 11 from the.

[Joe Johnson]

Three. Hold on. 19 for.

[Chad Johnson]

25. Yeah, man.

[Joe Johnson]

52. Hey, boy, he was efficient.

[Chad Johnson]

Tonight. Hey, when. When, Uncle Ocho, when Jamal Murray playing like that, it's gonna be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hard. Oh, they. They hard. You can't. You can't beat.

[Chad Johnson]

Them. You can't beat him because, look, Yoke is still at 24 points, 8 rebound, 13 assists. So he's still gonna give you his triple double. Now, you get somebody to chip in, that's gonna give you 40, 50.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Aaron. Think about it. Aaron Gordon's out. Aaron Gordon. Go look back and look at Aaron Gordon. Since he got there and they won the championship, he's been better shooting the ball from outside, playing outstanding defense. He's that third option. And had he not got it, have been very interesting to see, Joe, what would have happened, what could have happened had he not gotten injured that Game seven against.

[Chad Johnson]

Okc? Yeah, you're.

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Reportedly have begun discussion with Milwaukee regarding his future. A resolution is expected within the next few weeks. Joe, can I. Let me talk to Joe. I ain't got no problem. Yeah, Guys wanting to leave, but what I got a problem with guys doing is taking shots at guys when they leave. You know, I remember when Yannis said, I don't want to go somewhere else and team up with somebody else. I want them to come to.

[Chad Johnson]

Milwaukee.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Because, see, everybody was taking shots at LeBron when he went to Miami. Everybody. I ain't calling no name, but everybody has something to.

[Joe Johnson]

Say.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And I be damn if everybody that has something to say. Look at. Be careful. You'll become the very thing you. Despite. My grandpa used to always say this. Joe, be careful, boy. You'll become the very thing you despise most in a.

[Chad Johnson]

Person. Yeah. Yeah.

Cause you. Hey. Because you know he.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Won'T. You hate a lie, you'll become one. You hate a thief, you'll become one. You hate a cheat, you will become one. Be careful, boy. You'll become the very thing you despise the most in a person. Now look at him.

[Joe Johnson]

Now. But. But he.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Frustrated. He first LeBron was.

But everybody has something to say.

[Chad Johnson]

Right?

[Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. Joe Ocho. I ain't got no problem with guys wanting to go. None.

[Joe Johnson]

Whatsoever.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right? But guess what LeBron did. Guess what KD did. Now they traded KD. I don't know if KD wanted to go. LeBron played every last contract out. He done with Cleveland. His contract had ended. He went to Miami. He gave Miami four years. He went back to Cleveland for four years. He's been in LA now seven, eight years. Played out every last contract, but everybody took their shots. I don't go. I don't want to team up with somebody else. I want to be right here. Okay? Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Wait.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen. Now he want to go to the book. Now he want to go to Knicks. What the next guy? Jalen Brunson, Carl Anthony Towns, Mikhail Bridges, OG Ananoby, Mitchell Robinson. Now, obviously, you'll have to get some of those guys.

[Joe Johnson]

Up.

Hey, the funny thing about it is it's easy to say all the right things when you're winning. It's Easy to say all the right things when you're happy. That's the easy part.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. I mean, it's easy to smile and look at other people that you see bouncing around and doing things that. God damn it. Doing things that you wouldn't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do. Come on.

[Joe Johnson]

Elgato. Doing things that you wouldn't do. Because I'm gonna just go to my laptop camera, man, I'm sick of turning this thing off and.

[Shannon Sharpe]

On. I know. KD was not traded to the Warriors. KD was trade. KD traded to the. Was traded to Phoenix and was traded to the Rockets. So he was traded twice.

[Chad Johnson]

Chat.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

Go ahead. Go ahead.

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho. No, no, I was finished. I'm just saying. I mean, every. Everyone. Everyone. When things are convenient, you know, when the opportunity you're in at that moment, you're happy. Well, God. Yeah. You're gonna say everything under the sun. When you see someone else doing something that you probably wouldn't do. The minute things go sour for you look bad and inside your house starting to stink. What's the first thing you want to do? Oh, man, I got. I got to get up out of here. And you forget about everything you said about somebody else that was doing the exact same thing. You ready to do? You ready? This house. Cause it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Smells. Send that to.

[Chad Johnson]

Joe. What's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That? Send that to Joe. Ask me to send you this. This thing with Giannis.

Injured his. Did you see when y' all just.

[Joe Johnson]

Injured? Yeah, he just went. Yeah, he just went down. Ain't nothing wrong with him. Ain't nothing wrong with.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Him. He ain't.

[Chad Johnson]

Playing. I'm trouble. They won. But he didn't play but like three, four.

[Joe Johnson]

Minutes. Oh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. But I want you to see this, Joe. Tell me what you're.

[Joe Johnson]

Thinking. Okay, it was a non contact. A non.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Contact. Hold.

[Chad Johnson]

On. What you trying to say.

[Joe Johnson]

Huh? No, he just went down. He went.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Down. I just want you to look at it, Joe. That's all I'm saying. I want you to look at.

[Joe Johnson]

It. Ain't nothing wrong with.

[Chad Johnson]

Him.

Hey, listen, but what happens. What happens when that girl on Instagram start taking them pictures down and hun her.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boyfriend? That's all. It's.

[Joe Johnson]

Over. It's a.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Rap. It's.

[Joe Johnson]

Over. It's a.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Rap.

Ass that. She sent it to you on.

[Chad Johnson]

Ig.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay? It's over. You know, and that. And that's the thing. That's why you. Hey, look, y' all need to be. First of all, you need to be really, really locked in to start posting. Y' all date somebody. Y' all go out on one date, and you already got him up. My heart, my rib, my backbone. God gave me everything I asked for. And a week later, I guess God took it.

[Chad Johnson]

Back. Damn. Why it ain't showing up? I can't. What's this on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

X? You see it on.

[Joe Johnson]

Twitter?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

Yeah, she sent you a Twitter link on.

[Chad Johnson]

Instagram. Damn. It ain't showing.

[Joe Johnson]

Up. Joe. Young Joe don't know how to work technology.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh? Oh, he works to me. Oh.

[Chad Johnson]

Joe.

Hey, look, I am about as bad as long, though, for.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Real.

I'm trying to figure out. I'm trying to figure out whether these guys be coming up with these injuries now. Everybody getting calf strains, Ocho, in the NFL, the NBA, mlb. I'm like.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn. Yeah, but don't know about. Listen, you know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What? I made a paper.

[Joe Johnson]

Machete. Listen, I ain't even gonna say nothing, man. I ain't even say her. Every time I say something, everybody tell me, be.

[Chad Johnson]

Quiet. Okay, hold on, hold on.

Hey, hey, hey. Hold on. Because that's a non contact injury. And it's just like. Ain't nobody touching. He just.

[Matt Rogers]

Went.

[Joe Johnson]

You. You know. You know what it is? I know it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is. Hey, man, first of all, when you start hearing rumblings, when you start hearing rumblings about somebody in a relationship, Ocho, it's just a matter of time because somebody done said something to somebody and somebody don't put that information.

[Joe Johnson]

Out. Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Sir. Hey, hey. This might be a little more serious than what we think, though, okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho. What? That injury? Hey, that ain't no injury. Oh, you talk about on the.

[Chad Johnson]

Inside. No, I'm saying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like. But here's the thing, Joe, let me ask you this. You go down like that and the training staff don't come over, your teammates come help you.

[Joe Johnson]

Up. Come on, Joe, you know what that is? I can. I could tell you what. I could tell you what that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is.

All I'm saying, Joe, when you went down, did that. Did the trainer staff come or did your teammates come get.

[Joe Johnson]

You? Yeah, yeah. Can I. Can I tell you what that was? Hey, Joe. Can I tell you what that was.

[Chad Johnson]

Joe? What's that.

[Joe Johnson]

Man? I don't want to risk injuring myself and lessening my trade value, so I'm gonna go down and pretend I have a non contact injury until they get this trade in.

[Chad Johnson]

Place. Nah, that. I'm sorry, man. I. I don't see. I don't think Giannis move. He don't take me for that type of guy. Now, allow me the right to be.

[Joe Johnson]

Wrong. Well, Joe, I just told you, inside the house, it smell right now. No, I don't want to be inside the house while it.

[Chad Johnson]

Smell. That man worked too hard.

[Joe Johnson]

Bro.

[Chad Johnson]

He. I don't see that man just giving up on that team like that. I think he. I think this injury is far more serious than what we can anticipate right.

[Joe Johnson]

Now. Joe, you. Joe, you don't want to bet none? Joe, I'm telling you, Joe, you gotta understand, most of the time. Most of the time, when you see an individual like that, of course you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wouldn'T. They said it's his calf, obviously. Oh, they're gonna do an Mr. They're gonna do an mri. They're gonna do a full battery test. They said it was his calf. They said. I guess they. I guess they said the tendon. The tendon is.

[Chad Johnson]

Intact.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah, they said it was a calf string, Ocho. So that's what we got to go by. You know, a lot of people like it, you know, sometimes when guys want to get out of a situation. But, like, I agree with you, Joe. I don't. Yanis doesn't take me for that type of a guy, but he doesn't take me for a guy that wanted to be moved during the season. Exactly. Exactly what Sean's. And what a Wendy. Brian Windhorse is saying, that he asked to be moved before the.

[Chad Johnson]

Season.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. So if. If what they're saying, if what they're reporting is true, that he asked out during the season because they got him Dame in that situation at work. They bought Dame.

[Chad Johnson]

Out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Now, here's the thing. Miles Turner, he signed with Milwaukee to be with Giannis. He there two months, and Giannis won out, and now he's stuck. He could have stayed in.

[Chad Johnson]

Indy. Well, listen, if he already told you before the season. Look, man, I want y' all to trade me. Y' all didn't do it. We went with it. I'm not gonna give up on y', all, but I still want y' all to know, look, I don't wipe my Instagram clean with y', all.

[Joe Johnson]

Y'.

[Chad Johnson]

All. So that's. That's one sign. That's one sign, Uncle Ocho. That's one side. Now, next time gonna be I'm just gonna have to go and come public and tell y', all, hey, look, no, he won't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Die. Now, he definitely don't strike me as that type of.

[Chad Johnson]

Guy. Yeah. I'm saying, listen, if he really want to get out of there, that's how he gonna be able to get out. He gonna have to, he gonna have to voice it. He going to have to say.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It. Let me ask you a question, though. Let's just say he wanted to go to the Knicks. You're gonna have to give up Karl Anthony Towns. You're gonna have to give up Mikhail Bridges. You're gonna have to give up OG Ananoby. You're gonna have to give up draft picks is him and Jalen Brunson. Jalen needs the ball. Giannis needs the ball. Is that.

[Chad Johnson]

Enough? I think if you, New York, you try to find a way to keep Brunson and.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cat. Oh, ain't no.

[Chad Johnson]

Way. I say you want to try to find a way to keep them two, because if you can keep them two and add him.

Just kind of stay out there on the three, he know he want to shoot threes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Anyway.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. You know, you got you a great rim roller, live thrower, downhill guy, but you're gonna probably have to give up Mikhail and, and, and OG like you. You're gonna have to probably give.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Up both of them if you're giving up Cat. Because I need a superstar. And I'm not saying I think Cat's a star, I don't think he's a superstar, but you're gonna have to give up Cat, man. Oh, I think Mikhail Bridges is fine. I think OG but they ain't really selling no tickets like that. Yeah, Camp was the number one overall draft pick I got, I got to have him because, and, and, and, and, and, and with, with Bronson, and based on the Eastern Conference this year, that might be enough. Now, Orlando gonna have something to say about that. Orlando's gonna have something to say about that when they get Von Carroll back.

Wagner's playing the way Suggs is playing, the way Black is playing. They got Wendell Carter. Oh, no, no, no, no. They're gonna have something to say.

[Chad Johnson]

Now. Yeah, Detroit gonna have something to say.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Too. Detroit's gonna have something to say. Cleveland. I, I, I got to see Cleveland because Cleveland do this to me every year. Donovan Mitchell do this to me every year. He get me so damn hype, and then he let me.

[Chad Johnson]

Down. It's, it's, it's the In Cleveland. It's more of Darius Garland for me if he can stay healthy and be that guy next to Donovan. Yeah, but if he can't stay healthy, it's like he'd be out there fighting against four, five different dudes by himself. It's just, it's too much. It's too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Much. I, I just, I just Think Cat's gonna be a part of any trade now. You got Josh Hart, but I think I. I think Cat, Mikhail Bridges and. And og I think they're getting those.

[Chad Johnson]

Guys. That's it. If you. Milwaukee. Yes. You won't. Cat. If you're the Knicks, you want to try to keep Brunson and Cat, and I don't know how you do that and bring in Giannis, but you want. You want to try to keep them two to. To have with him because just.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Him and bro, I want him out the East. I'm sending him to the West. Okay, who got something for me in the West?

I don't want him in the East.

Why would I do that?

And I got to see this man at least four times a year. Joe, he brought.

[Chad Johnson]

You. He didn't brought you a.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Championship. And we played him.

[Chad Johnson]

Handsomely. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what else y' all want from me because.

[Joe Johnson]

He.

[Chad Johnson]

He. They not go. They. They not a championship inspiring team right now. So I don't really know what you want from him. I mean, at some point, you know, at some point, all good things got to come to an end.

[Joe Johnson]

Right? Yeah, that's true. And listen. Yeah. He asked for a trade at the beginning of the season. And the fact that. Hey, listen, the fact that obviously we. We all known people who. Who you would think would never do certain things, and they do something out of character, something that's very uncharacteristic of who they present themselves as.

[Chad Johnson]

Publicly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay. When this come, when this comes out, and I tell y' all this is his way out, that there's nothing wrong with him, he's going to make sure that he doesn't lose trade value by injuring himself right now. I guarantee you. And I want those.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Apologies. Oh, what about this? Oh, Joe. What about to the Mavericks, Anthony Davis and another.

[Chad Johnson]

Player.

Anthony.

Anthony.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Davis.

Anthony Davis. Clay Thompson in a first round.

[Chad Johnson]

Pick. Milwaukee ain't taking that.

Milwaukee ain't taking that. Okay. Nah. If I'm Milwaukee, I ain't taking that. I'm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sorry. Well, you will. Hey, Joe Ocho, you hear what he said? But he wanted the Knicks to give up Bridges and OG and keep Cat. So, Cat, Giannis and. And Brunson, you.

[Chad Johnson]

Gonna. You gonna have to give up OG Robinson, Mikhail Bridges, some draft.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Picks. They gonna want Cat. I'm gonna tell you. They're gonna want.

[Joe Johnson]

Cat.

Yeah, I'm. I'm curious. I'm curious to see how this is gonna play out. This.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is. They don't Want.

[Joe Johnson]

Cat. This is.

[Chad Johnson]

Interesting. They probably do want him on, but if I'm the Knicks, I'm. I'm trying, like, you know what? Not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To.

It's tough. It's. And I think the thing is, Joe and Ocho is that we've got to get out of this notion.

Man. Bird would have never requested a trade. Magic would have never. Jordan this one. It is a new day. It is a new.

[Chad Johnson]

Era.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I never would have thought eggs would cost $8 an effing dozen, man. I never thought cigarettes would be 10, $12 a pack. It is a different time. You got to think differently. You can't use that same. He would have never done. Yes. My grandmother and people's grandmother stayed through no matter what. It was no divorce.

Now, hey, at the slightest, I'm out of.

[Chad Johnson]

Here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Deuces. So we've got. We've got to stop this.

[Joe Johnson]

Notion.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Our. Our former great players wouldn't do.

[Joe Johnson]

This.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Because it's a new day. Social media, the. The. The landscape of professional.

[Chad Johnson]

Sports.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. Is different now. It really. It really is. And so, hey, y' all got involved with the.

[Chad Johnson]

Times. Giannis in New York would be crazy. Oh, my.

[Joe Johnson]

God. Yeah, that. That'd be nasty. That'd be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nasty.

What? Giannis and Wimby with Castle, see, they got some dealing. Yeah, they do.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. San Antonio got some assets. They got some guys over there who Milwaukee wouldn't mind taking. They got a few of them over.

[Joe Johnson]

There. Hey, man. Come on.

[Commercial Announcer]

Man. Come on.

[Chad Johnson]

Man. Come.

[Joe Johnson]

On. That's not fair.

[Chad Johnson]

Now. What's.

[Joe Johnson]

Not? How you gonna have Giannis and Wimby on the same goddamn team?

Come on.

[Chad Johnson]

Now. Hey, man, they got. They got some guys to give up Ocho, who can come over to Milwaukee and make some things.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Happen. Yeah, they.

[Chad Johnson]

Do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I. I.

[Chad Johnson]

Think.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look. I think they're gonna be some guys. Would I be shocked if John got traded? No. If I. Would I be shocked if Zion got traded?

[Chad Johnson]

No. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I'm not gonna be shocked either one of those guys get.

[Chad Johnson]

Moved. Oh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I think both places are kind of like. Yeah. I. I've seen enough. Josh stays hurt, and he ain't learned his lesson. Yeah. Hey, listen.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey. Hey.

[Chad Johnson]

Joe. What's.

[Joe Johnson]

Up? I know. I know. Where you gonna learn his lesson.

[Chad Johnson]

At?

[Joe Johnson]

Where? It ain't nothing like coming on down here to the. To this military base down here.

You want some structure and discipline, come on down here. This military base, it's just like. Just like the Marines. We gonna get you.

[Chad Johnson]

Right. Hey, hey. I don't mind the shake up, Uncle Ocho. You know, I. I don't mind seeing guys on the move, you know, especially some of these big names who I think need a fresh.

[Joe Johnson]

Start.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

Job playing in.

[Joe Johnson]

Miami.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. And that's a different animal.

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, I'm. Make sure you stay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Focused. No, Joe, I'll tell you what. You.

You went to someone that was somewhere that was really structured. How different was it for you where you couldn't be yourself?

How was different was that for you playing in New England as opposed to Cincinnati, where you got to be OO Cinco? And when you went to Newton, you had to be Chad.

[Joe Johnson]

Johnson? I mean, it was. It was cool. It was cool. It was. It was cool. And listen, it's that. That experience for me, honestly, being in. I understood my role once I got there. I wasn't there to be Ocho. You hear me.

[Chad Johnson]

Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. I wasn't there to be that Chad of old where I had the shoulder, the brunt of everything on my shoulders when it came to us from an offensive perspective. When I got there, boy, they was loaded. So in my mind, I'm like, well, what the hell y' all brought me here for? There's only one receiver that I know that went to New England who can play on the outside and was able to dominate. I'm talking about go crazy. And he's one of the best all time, and I don't compare nowhere close to that individual. So I. In this, in a way, I was there. I was at peace. Well, what you want me to do? Okay. And I definitely want finna complain, you know, because I understood. I understood. I understood that Patriot way. I understood that. So I went in there. Hell, you got. You got grown like Joe. Look who they got.

[Chad Johnson]

Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. They got.

[Chad Johnson]

Gronk.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. They got Aaron Hernandez. They got Wes Welker. They got Julian Edelman, Dion Branch. It was. It was one more. It was. It's somebody else. I'm like, well.

[Chad Johnson]

God. Well, y' all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Loaded.

[Joe Johnson]

What? Man, what the hell? They traded me here, and they got all these goddamn. They got.

[Chad Johnson]

Everything.

But Ocho, you want to leave your imprint, though? You want to leave your imprint.

[Joe Johnson]

Though.

[Chad Johnson]

You. You want to contribute. You want to be a factor on the squad, you know what I.

[Joe Johnson]

Mean?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. It wasn't like you was there, like, oh, I'm just chilling.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay. No, no, no, no, no.

[Chad Johnson]

No. I.

[Joe Johnson]

Mean.

Yeah, I'm a competitor, Joe, but. But, Joe, you know, it wasn't going how I wanted to go, and, boy, I wasn't finna say not a goddamn word, bro. Hey, not. Not over there, huh? Hey, Joe, I remember. I remember Randy said something in the media, I think, about, you know, contractually. Right, right. It was like contractually about.

[Chad Johnson]

Money.

[Joe Johnson]

Yep. Boy, Joe, he was going in 24 hours.

Oh, hell. Hell.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. If I'm not mistaken, I think they traded him back to. They traded him back to Minnesota, and then Minnesota traded him to.

[Joe Johnson]

Tennessee. Tennessee. Hey, Joe, he coming off a 23. A 23 touchdown season. Boy.

23 touchdown season.

I would love to be compensated a little bit more, if I'm not.

[Chad Johnson]

Mistaken. Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. That was after the. That might have been. He was trading before you got the ocho, so. Because 2007, 2008, I think he got traded in 2009 back to.

[Joe Johnson]

Minnesota.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Because remember, Ocho, he sought out and then he ended up going to San Francisco. Yeah. San Francisco. Went to the super bowl and played the.

[Matt Rogers]

Raven.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

Yeah. This is. But hey, Joe, one thing about it, it was a wonderful experience. It was a wonderful experience. And I think honestly for Ja, being in that structured environment where it's a little bit more tight knit, you know, having someone like Pat Riley, who. Who rules with the iron fist, it can be a good thing for him. And adding that structure that he doesn't. And that discipline he doesn't have right now or that. That many may think he doesn't have right.

[Chad Johnson]

Now. Ojo that Miami culture that he. Culture. Let me tell you something, man. They got pre practice before.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Practice.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

And. And if Practice is at 11, pre practice is at about 9, 30, 10.

[Joe Johnson]

O'.

[Chad Johnson]

Clock. Yeah, that ain't. That ain't walking in at night that's ready to go on the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Floor.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. You got D. Wade ud. All these dudes are in pre practice, so everybody's in pre practice. It's just kind of. It's kind of the heat wave. It's how it is, man. It's like them dudes work, man. They put the work in, bro. So they ain't looking for nobody who coming in. And you too swagged out to get in here two, three hours before practice, man, he trying to accomplish.

[Joe Johnson]

Something. Nah, he like that. Like, he owned that. He owned that. You know, that change of scenery, you know, that's what he want, you know, Young Bull. Young bull want to be.

[Chad Johnson]

Great.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay. And he know he can't. He can't do what he want to do out there in Memphis. Memphis is a great place now, man. It's a great.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Place. Hard going to an unstructured being. Coming from an unstructured environment, going.

[Chad Johnson]

Structured.

It's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hard. Yeah, it's hard, Ocho. That's why the military, you can't. You can't be in there without discipline. They get you up out of there, they're gonna break you.

All the people that go ahead.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm gonna say the military, Joe, the army, the Marines, the Navy, you have no choice but to have discipline. Because one mistake, there is no coming back. This ain't call of duty. This ain't call of duty.

[Chad Johnson]

Joe. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. One mistake out there when it. When it matters most, when it actually counts, you don't get you once you get hit, that's you done. And then you're responsible for everybody else. Life as well. So you have no choice but to be structured and disciplined. You can't make.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mistakes. Like Colonel Jefferson asked Kathy, have you ever put your life in someone else's hand. Man's hand, and ask him to put his life in your hands? We follow rules or men.

[Chad Johnson]

Die.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

Hey, I don't. I don't even like the sound of that. That's too much pressure. I don't even like those expectations in the way it sound.

[Chad Johnson]

Joe. Like, me neither.

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho. I don't like the way it sounds. I don't want to be responsible for your life sometimes, Joe, you know, And I'm. I'm talking about on a smaller scale where it's not life or.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Death. Like in life, football and basketball, where you ask the man that's playing next to you to put his trust in you, that you're going to do what you're supposed to do. Okay. You ask that man that's on the court next to you, Joe, to put his trust in you. Yeah, you put your trust in him. You're right. It's not to the magnitude of life or death, but wins and losses, and it feels like life and.

[Chad Johnson]

Death.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Because a lot of times when you losing is worse than death because you got to wake up the next.

[Joe Johnson]

Day. Come on.

[Chad Johnson]

Now. Yeah, some of us process them losses a lot harder than others.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bro. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely. Most.

[Chad Johnson]

Definitely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

The more you put into it, the harder it.

[Chad Johnson]

Is. Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. We understand their casualties, you know. Hey, but.

I just. I could have been to the military because I grew up very disciplined, very structured, so it'd be nothing for.

[Joe Johnson]

Me. You definitely could go.

You definitely could.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go. Because Barney player, Barney Porter would have it any other way. No other.

[Joe Johnson]

Way. Yeah. Hey. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. Now that. Now you. Not on. On the topic, obviously. Keeping everything in. In the context in perspective. Talk about going to the military. Joe, you saw Full Metal.

[Chad Johnson]

Jacket. I have, but I can't really.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Remember. Private Pile. Private.

[Joe Johnson]

Day. I would have been Private Power.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boy. You.

[Joe Johnson]

Put. You put me in the military. I'm Private.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Pow. I'm messing up. Hey, I'm seeing a few good.

[Joe Johnson]

Men. Hey. Oh, that's a.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Beautiful. When they ordered the cold.

[Joe Johnson]

Red. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Hold up.

[Joe Johnson]

Santiago. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Santiago. You remember when Santiago kept messing up and they ordered the cold red? You're damn right I.

[Joe Johnson]

Did. Hey, he got. He got to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go. Yeah. Hey, listen, he had a greater responsibility than you could possibly.

[Joe Johnson]

Fathom.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. You weep for Santiago. You curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives by existed in grotesque and incomprehensible to you. Save lives. You don't want the truth. Deep down, in places that parties, you don't talk about. You want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like honor, cold, loyalty. We use these words of a backbone, of a lifetime spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have at a time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of freedom that I provide and then question the manner in which I.

[Joe Johnson]

Provided. Come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now. Whether you said thank you, anyone on your way, or pick a weapon up at standard post, either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled.

[Chad Johnson]

To.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Did you order the cold red? I did my job. Did you order cold red? You damn right I did.

So that's what you're up.

[Chad Johnson]

Against.

Hey, hey, Ocho. When I was in high school, I don't know about y', all, but, you know, they had. They had. They had an army people that set out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Rotc.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah. They try to recruit you coming out of high school.

[Joe Johnson]

Right?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. No. Join the army so you know, you got your homeboy. They'll sign you up without even and telling you. So, look, I got people calling my house. Is this Joe Johnson? Yes, it's him. You know, trying to recruit me to come to the Army. Boy, please. I ain't going on. Hey, look, I'm my mama's only child. I'm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Staying. Right? And then you went. Hey, oh, and then, Joe, you wouldn't get drafted because you're the only son.

[Chad Johnson]

Right? That's what I'm trying to tell you. I. I made sure I told him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That. But if you got a bunch of sons. Oh, well.

Your ass.

[Chad Johnson]

Grass. You can get off my line with all.

[Joe Johnson]

This.

That's crazy. Hey, hey, I don't mean to go off topic, but. But you. You. You. You took theater. You took theater in. In the arts, like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Me. No, I just. How.

[Joe Johnson]

You. How you know that whole. That whole.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Line.

I just have a. I have an amazing ability to recall.

[Joe Johnson]

Information.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. I've always had that ability. And I think it came from my grandfather because he put a lot of pressure on us because back then we didn't have no cell.

[Joe Johnson]

Phone.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. So my grandfather would get somebody's number and he would say, tell it to them two boys. It was me and my brother. Yeah. So we would have. He would tell us the guy or the person would tell us the number, man. Spanking the number. And we'd have to recall it once we got home. Now, there are a lot of times we weren't going right home. We go to somebody's house or we go do something else. And by the time he get home, he's like, hey, boy, what was that number? Such and such told you. And we'd have to recall.

[Chad Johnson]

It.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. So ever since then, I've always been able to recall.

[Joe Johnson]

Information.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And that's why, like, plays and stuff, I could just.

[Joe Johnson]

Recall. Recall.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It. Recall it. And so I've always had that ability to have tremendous.

[Joe Johnson]

Recall. Hey, that. And that's really dope. I don't think people understand how dope that is. The fact that you can still recall that moment. One of. One of the. The better scenes from that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Movie. Oh.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Obviously the most important scene that everybody recites. The fact that you can still recite it after all this time. And that movie came out how long ago.

Tom Cruise looked like a damn teenager in that.

[Chad Johnson]

Movie.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. If I was there, you know, it's funny. And then just if I was able to do a movie right. Where it's a scene that's very impactful and. And it has a lot of meaning to it. Similar to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That.

[Joe Johnson]

It's. It's a little different. But any given.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sunday. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. When Al Pacino gave that speech, the Six Inches. Remember that Six Inches.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Speech? Yep. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Man. If I. You know what? I'm. Matter of fact, that's my homework. That's my homework is to watch that movie and see if I can recite it when we do the show.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Saturday. He actually. He followed Mike Shanahan.

[Joe Johnson]

Around. For.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Real?

[Chad Johnson]

Yep. Petrino.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did. Yep. To get ready for that. He was at practice. He came to meetings to see how Mike conducted and Stood up in front of the meeting, how he talked to us, and things like that.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep. Yeah, I like.

[Joe Johnson]

That. Hey, that's six inch of speech. Hey. Hey, Joe. I used to play that sometime. You know, obviously before games, you listen to music.

[Chad Johnson]

Sometimes. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

My. Obviously, I was more blues, classical type dude, you know, because I. I want my mind to be.

[Chad Johnson]

Calm.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. So I remember there was a few games I would listen to that six sense of speech, though. It just gets you hyped up, Joe. It gets you hyped up.

[Chad Johnson]

Man. I already.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Know.

Yeah, but I just. I just had that ability to call information and. And it's. It's a blessing and a curse. Sometime they. You remember everything because, you know, when you're in a relationship or you remember everything else, you can't remember that. You don't remember where you was. You don't remember what you did, who you was.

[Chad Johnson]

With.

Oh, yeah. Oh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. All I said is that. No, I mean, you got me under the.

[Joe Johnson]

Gun.

Yeah. See?

[Shannon Sharpe]

See? Tell me everything I need to.

[Joe Johnson]

Know. Hey, that's not a good thing. You having it. That's a gift and a curse. Now, the fact that you can recall everything because especially when it. When it comes to, you know, having a partner and she know, you know, and don't forget nothing, man.

Yeah, that's a gift and a.

[Chad Johnson]

Curse.

And now you out here playing dumb.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, look, look, look. Y' all far from crazy, but you can play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Crazy.

[Chad Johnson]

Like. Like my. Like my pops used to tell me, well, I'm far from crazy, but I can play crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Yeah. And that's what I asked. Man, he crazy. I'm like, crazy. Like, get a check crazy or play play crazy. Cause he get a check crazy, that's one thing. Play. Play crazy. I can deal with play. What are you gonna check? I don't want no part of.

[Chad Johnson]

That. Yes. Yeah.

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