Nightcap Hour 1: Claressa Shields STANDS ON BUSINESS with Unc + Dolphins RELEASE Tua + Super Bowl MVP Kenneth Walker SIGNS with CHEIFS

Summary

Club Shay Shay — Nightcap Hour 1: Claressa Shields STANDS ON BUSINESS with Unc + Dolphins RELEASE Tua + Super Bowl MVP Kenneth Walker SIGNS with CHIEFS

Date: March 10, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe, Chad (Ochocinco) Johnson
Notable Guest: Claressa Shields

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Episode Overview

This episode of Club Shay Shay’s Nightcap dives deep into a viral debate in the boxing world, with iconic guest Claressa Shields—“the greatest woman’s boxer of all time”—joining Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson. The crew tackles Shields' claim that she could outbox male world champion Rolly Romero, addresses gender in sports, and the mentality behind greatness. Later, the hosts break down major NFL news including Tua Tagovailoa's shocking release by the Dolphins and Kenneth Walker III’s high-profile move to the Chiefs.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Claressa Shields vs. Rolly Romero—Viral Debate & Gender in Boxing

[08:09 - 41:25]

• The Viral Clip & Shields’ Stance

  • Shields addresses her now-viral statement that she could "outbox" Rolly Romero, citing her years of sparring with men and superior skill set.
  • Shields: "I've been sparring against boys and men for 20 years. ...I said I can outbox him, I didn't say I could overpower him." [11:16]
  • She emphasizes the difference between sparring and fighting, but maintains belief in her abilities regardless of gender.

• Challenging Gender Norms in Sports

  • Shields stresses "sport has no gender" and shares personal anecdotes of outperforming male boxers through effort and skill, not brute strength.
  • Memorable: "If the boy slack and the girl works harder...the girl's gonna be a better fighter." [13:58]

• Sharpe’s Skepticism (Skill vs. Physicality)

  • Shannon Sharpe challenges Shields, focusing on the risk posed by male world champions’ physical power, citing differences in strength and physiology.
  • Sharpe: "It’s hard for me to believe that you could beat a three-division world champ. ...I believe Rolly would stop you." [26:14]
  • Shields pushes back: "You are nuts, but I love that for you. ...When you don't know boxing, you just don't know boxing that well." [26:22]

• Boxing as a Mental Game

  • Ochocinco (Chad Johnson) emphasizes the importance of Shields’ unbreakable mentality: "The fact that you even believe it, whether we think you can win or not, is why you are the best at what you do." [31:18]

• Respect, Disrespect, and Athletes’ Perspectives

  • Shields clarifies that boxing is deeply personal; opinions are felt intensely by athletes, especially when coming from influential platforms.
  • Shields: "Boxing, I do take personally because that is my job. That's my livelihood, and that's all that I do." [35:04]
  • Discussion delves into how athlete criticism can affect public perception, pay-per-view buys, and locker room motivation.

• Humor & Banter

  • Shields and the hosts joke about sparring each other, with Ocho humorously suggesting he could take on Shakur Stevenson and Andre Ward. Shields responds: "I would love to see what he think about me inside the ring...I'm fast as lightning, baby." [41:06]

• Feud with Cris Cyborg

  • Shields dismisses Cris Cyborg, calling her a “clout chaser” and sharing the story of a failed proposed fight. Shields claims to have dominated Cyborg in sparring: "She came out box to save her life...I tore Cris Cyborg ass up." [44:15]

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2. Dolphins Release Tua Tagovailoa - NFL Fallout

[62:28 - 72:37]

• Breaking News: Dolphins Cut Tua

  • Miami Dolphins release QB Tua Tagovailoa, eating $99M in dead money—the largest such cap hit in NFL history.
  • Sharpe: "Miami would rather pay $99 million...than have Tua on the team." [62:28]

• Franchise Direction & Quarterback Market

  • Ocho analyzes the risky business move and franchise implications: "They will eat that regardless of what the cap number is—once they are willing to move on from you, even at the quarterback position." [63:57]
  • Both hosts agree the relationship was over, likening it to a breakup where it’s best not to hang on.

• Tua’s Tenure and Legacy

  • Discussion of Tua’s offensive struggles, injuries, and the front office’s attempts to support his career with surrounding talent.
  • Sharpe: "I would’ve been real hesitant...to invest that kind of money in him. He’s not a big guy and his injury history…" [67:39]

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3. Chiefs Sign Super Bowl MVP Kenneth Walker III

[72:49 - 77:58]

• Running Back Market & Chiefs’ Needs

  • Kansas City Chiefs sign RB Kenneth Walker III (Super Bowl MVP) to a three-year, $45M deal with $28.7M guaranteed, addressing a critical offensive gap.
  • Sharpe: "Sometimes in free agency, it’s about being free...It’s all about timing." [76:38]
  • Ocho loves the move, noting KC needed a premier running back to ease pressure on Patrick Mahomes: "They still need help, but Walker changes the dynamics." [74:06]

• Wider NFL Implications

  • Discussion on teams undervaluing running backs and only handing out big contracts to the position’s absolute elite.
  • Reference to Seahawks’ plans to replace Walker internally and broader thoughts on the evolving RB market.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Shields on belief in herself:
  "The way how I believe in myself, it’s not to intimidate you, but that’s what greats have to do. ...Proper preparation prevents poor performance." [31:28]

• Sharpe’s classic analogy:
  "It’s like saying I only have one pair of khakis...if they get dirty, I can’t come to work tomorrow because if I buy another, it increases my bill." (On Ocho’s technical troubles) [07:40]

• Ocho’s perspective on mentality:
  "At times you have to be delusional. ...Me being delusional at times is one of the reasons why I was great at what I did." [61:08]

• Shields on Cyborg:
  "She says my name because she’s not relevant no more. ...But now she want to be a hater." [44:18]

• Sharpe on Mahomes’ intangibles:
  "Patrick Mahomes is the greatest makeup. ...You don’t realize how much makeup helps until the lights come on and you wake up in the morning." [79:56]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [08:09] — Claressa Shields joins, addresses Rolly debate
• [11:16] — Shields explains years of sparring men, skill-over-strength
• [13:58] — Shields on gender and effort in sport
• [26:14] — Sharpe: “Rolly would stop you.”
• [31:28] — Shields on greatness and preparation
• [35:04] — Shields: "Boxing...I take personally."
• [41:06] — Banter: Shields agrees to spar Ocho
• [44:15] — Shields details failed Cyborg negotiations
• [62:28] — Dolphins release Tua: NFL discussion
• [72:49] — Chiefs sign Kenneth Walker III

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Episode Tone and Flow

Lively, competitive, and candid, the episode is marked by friendly banter, sharp disagreement, and deep respect among all parties. Shields brings fighter’s confidence and raw honesty; Sharpe probes and challenges from a football mindset; Ochocinco brings humor, support, and a player’s empathy. The conversation moves seamlessly from viral social media debates to financial and tactical realities in the NFL.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

You’ll come away with:

• An insider’s look at how Claressa Shields navigates criticism and maintains her champion’s mentality
• A nuanced view of masculinity/femininity debates in sports from top athletes
• Exclusive insights on roster moves shaking up the NFL offseason
• Plenty of memorable banter, humility, and unfiltered takes

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Bottom Line:
This Nightcap delivers an unfiltered, in-depth conversation at the intersection of sports culture, gender, and high stakes business—anchored by authentic voices at the top of their games.

Transcript

[Clarissa Shields]

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[Brianna Stewart]

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[Miles Turner]

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[Brianna Stewart]

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[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I'm excited. I'm excited. Hey, hey. There are a few teams like you did say that, that, that have gotten good. I wouldn't say anybody's gotten bad yet. We still have a few days ago. We have the draft coming up and I'm sure more offseason acquisitions are going to happen before the show even starts. I just want to say I'm very pleased with day one from the Raiders and the Bengals, I'll get into that and add a little more depth into it. I'm really excited. What I'm really excited for is for Michelle to be on tonight. I'm excited for to be on tonight, especially to hear her side, to hear the way she thinks, the way she operates. And again, I think the mentality and the belief that she feels she can be the individual is why she's regarded as the greatest of all time. So I'm excited to hear what she has to say. Me both, you and I, we're in the same position, you know, on her beating, the guy is not happy, regardless of how bad he is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's going to be interesting because I, I'm sure she has her, her, you know, her stance and you know, you know, I, I think on some levels it got a little personal today. But look, we're here to clear it up. The thing is that when we say something on this show, if you agree or disagree with it, it's never personal with OO and I, for me, I'm, I'm giving you my opinion. It doesn't make me right, it doesn't make me a wrong. But I'm not talking about you as a, as an individual. I'm not talking about anything you, that you have done outside of your sport. That's neither here nor there. We're judging you on, based on what you've done, be it on the football field, the basketball court, the diamond, the track, whatever the case may be, whatever your sport is and whatever arena you play in. I'm basing that, I'm basing my opinion. This is my opinion that on that, that's it. And so I'm interested to see, I'm, I'm really anxious to see what she has to say. There's been a lot that's been, it's been talked about ad nauseam. And, and after tonight, Ocho, I'm going to be done with this subject. I'm going to be done with this topic because it's a never ending topic. I mean, your mic, your mic on.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You can't hear me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think you might be going. Are you coming through the computer? Your actual mic? You see us away from you, the mic that you normally have. Yeah, hold on.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, hey, hold on.

[Clarissa Shields]

I'm.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I'm scared. I'm scared. I'm. Make sure my computer got enough juice for me to unplug because that's what, that's what happened the first time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Just leave it plugged up. Ain't nobody there using the computer. The computer plugged up so it won't be drained.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Oh, no, I. I know what I'm saying. But I was sleeping all this time and I came down. You notice I popped on. When I popped on, it turned off.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Leave the computer plugged up.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I. I know, but I need. I need a slot. I need a slot on the side to put this back in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And what I'm saying. So why can't you leave the computer plugged up overnight or during the day?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Explain that it was plugged into the light.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What light? You don't use the light. You're not down there.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

The light is on right now. Look, hold on. Look.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you only. So you only got one thing. Control the light, control the computer, Control the microphone.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, because listen, if I have multiple. If I have multiple things plugged in the outlets, that increases my electricity.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you understand that this is for your job. It's like saying I only have one pair of khakis and this got dirty. And so I'm not gonna be able to come to work tomorrow because if I buy more than one pair of khakis, that means that increase my bill.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Now I'm gonna just wear the dirty one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, but just. How about. How about just getting a couple of more cords so we can have this and we won't run into this problem.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

We had one. Come on, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's okay. Ojo, this is. I mean, you do realize this is for your job,

[Clarissa Shields]

huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Lord have mercy. All right, here are very special guests. A two time Olympic gold medalist, a three time undisputed champ, the undisputed heavyweight champion. A five division world champion with a perfect record of 18,03 KOs. And here she is, the greatest woman's boxer of all time, Ms. Clarissa Shields. Clarissa, how you doing this afternoon? Well, tonight I'm doing good.

[Clarissa Shields]

How you?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm doing great. I'm doing great. Okay, this all started, I think you did a. You did a podcast with Justin Leboy. We want to play the clip. We go sit.

[Clarissa Shields]

Months, months ago. Go ahead.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So he just. So y. Okay. He just released it. You taped it earlier.

[Clarissa Shields]

It's there. It's been. It's been released too. I don't know why it's viral right now, but go ahead.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We're going to play the clip that everybody is talking about. Can we. Can we roll that clip? Hold on.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

That you believe you.

[Clarissa Shields]

Can I be Rolly? He's a world champion. Rolly Ramirez. Listen, it's not about. I think Rollie is very Unorthodox. He's very strong. Right? But I'm way taller than him, way longer than him, and got better boxing skills.

[Brianna Stewart]

So.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How about one of his punches though?

[Clarissa Shields]

Did you not hear what I said? It's hard for somebody smaller to hurt somebody that's bigger. I walk around at 185, he fights at 140. Or is it 47? It's 140.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

He said 140. 147.

[Clarissa Shields]

But I'm just saying though, like when you. And then like with his skill set, he can't be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So that's, that's where it came from. You said that you could beat a three division world champion. Lightweight, super lightweight and welterweight. Take it away.

[Clarissa Shields]

He just became what to wait, who did he fight against for that 47 belt? I can't remember who he beat for that 47 belt. Was it Ryan Garcia?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on, I, I just. Let me see.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

He recognized if it wasn't Ryan. It was the old. It was the older guy. It was the older guy, but it

[Clarissa Shields]

was the stoppage, the Mexican that really beat him. But they gave him the.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, they stopped. They stopped the fight too fast.

[Clarissa Shields]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That guy was beating him. I know the older guy, he's like 40 something years old, 46, somewhere in there. So this is my thing and this is why I'm so happy that. So I want you to know something. I've been sparring against boys and men for 20 years. That's two decades of boxing. I didn't say I'm gonna go in there and knock Rolly out. I didn't say I can overpower him. I said I can outbox him. I've outboxed plenty of of men who are professional boxers inside the ring. Yes, sparring is not a real fight of sparring, but boxing is not MMA sparring. MMA sparring is 60% 70. Most of the time up in sparring, especially sparring against a guy and he got his girlfriend in the gym, his wife in the gym, his kids in the gym. He not going to let no woman get off on him. I get off on men and piece them up and spawn Re. Re respectfully with their women and with their kids there. Because I'm a very serious boxer. You cannot speak doubt into my skills and what I. And what I can do. Shannon, you know what I'm saying? Like you can't do that because you got to really be in the gym. I have. I sparred over a hundred rounds for this fight against franchise. Watched her. I sparred all men. I had two different sparring partners. 10 rounds twice a week. That's 20. That's 20 rounds. Two different men.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Foot.

[Clarissa Shields]

I don't know, eight, 10 weeks straight. I spar over 100 rounds. These guys are pros. The, the spawn partner I had was 170 pounds. One was 173 pounds. I'm sparring against these guys to get ready for my world championship fight against Franchise, who's a decorated amateur, decorated pro, so you cannot tell. First of all, I know I can beat up Rolly. He knows that. He knows that. And it's not a thing of like, like I'm not. If we just compare and skill. Just because somebody is stronger don't mean that they can win a no fight. That's not how it works. I promise you it's not. But it's not how it works. That's not how boxing works.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, you do understand he is a three division champions. Three quarters of his fight has ended by ko. So he has dynamite. You're not. You've never. And it's hard for me to believe that if you spar Shakur and Keyshawn Davis and some of the people, they're going in there inspiring you as if they were getting ready to fight a Tank Davis or a Ryan Garcia. It's hard for me to believe that. I'm not saying that that's not true, but it's just hard for me to believe. And you do realize once you challenge a man rent manhood like you challenge Rolly, he's going to look to destroy you. He's going to look to hurt you. Clarissa. I'm just being honest.

[Clarissa Shields]

This is what, this is what happens in sporing the same thing. I, I, I, I. Listen, let me show you something. Because I, I, I've been, I've been waiting. I've been waiting for y' all to call today. People thought I was gonna be mad about what you said. Like, that's your opinion. Nothing is actually true until it's done. You know what I'm saying? Until it actually happens. Let me find this. Why is it not. Hold on, give me a second. I just had up here. I'm on the page.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, just, I mean. But see, the thing is, Carissa, I think the thing is, is that our opinion I might do. Look, there might be an actor that's phenomenal, but I might not like him in movies. There might be an actress that's phenomenal. She's won Academy Awards, but I might not like her in movie. That doesn't mean she's not a great actor or actress. I think you took what I said.

[Clarissa Shields]

I want you to. No, I want you to understand that I, I don't. I don't take that, what you saying as like a diss to me, because I know I'm the greatest woman of all time, the best female fighter right now. Like, I understand that. But what I'm trying to tell you is this is not. This is a sport. And sport has no gender. You understand? Well, I mean, sport is equal, man. If, if. Listen, you can have a twin brother and a twin sister, right? They go in the gym and they work out every single day together. They got the same coach. I can guarantee you if. If the boy slack and the girl works harder, the boys play around. I can guarantee. I can guarantee you the girl's gonna be. Is gonna be a better fighter. And I can say that because I've. I've lived through that. I've been in the gym with guys who were in the gym since they were six. I started when I was 11. Within six months, I was sparring against a guy that was there four years already practicing and sparring two months in the gym. He want to slack off and play around. I kicked his ass. And I was the best in my gym till I was probably about like 15. I didn't get my ass whooped in the gym by a man TILL I was 16 years old. And that's like, where I'm like, dang, this guy really got off on me like every day. Not going to be a good day in the gym. But when I was in the gym sparring against. I sparring against grown men since I was 15, 14 years old. Grown men who 26, 28, 30 years old. And you have to remember, like you said, oh, you challenge a man's manhood, you gotta know when I'm back then nobody. We in the gym, we all working hard, we all sweating. And when it comes to sparring, you hit somebody in their face, you buckle them, you hurt they. You hit them in the stomach, they are going to hit you back. Being born in Flint, Michigan. You born in Flint, Michigan. Did you watch the biopic, the Fire Inside? I just gotta know. Did you watch? So you know that I've literally lived this. I've sparred men my entire career. And I just wanna everybody like to cut they sparring in half and show you certain stuff. This is back in 2023. This is just a full round. I don't even show this stuff. I don't even show this stuff. As you can See, I'm the one in the white and black. Can you see that? I don't know if it's good enough for y'.

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[Clarissa Shields]

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[Brianna Stewart]

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[Clarissa Shields]

This dude is punching this dude 175 pounds, punching with all type. I think it's like round, round three or two. He came out there firing, as you can see, I can stand my ground. He throwing punches. I got great defense, great jab. He trying to come. I hit him with some shots. He tried to come back, moving my head. I'm gonna let you watch the whole round. Just enjoy the. Just enjoy the two minutes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, Carissa, you do understand amateurs is different than pros. There have been guys that. There's some guys that the amateur, they're not. They weren't very good. But in the pros of the different level, because in the amateur of the point system and the others and the pros to try to get you up out of there, those are amateurs. Rolly is a world champion, a three division world champ.

[Clarissa Shields]

This is a pro. This is a professional fighter. My last guys I sparred or professional fighters, I've been inside the ring and spar with Shakur. I'll spar. Kean Davis, I spar. Anthony Darrell, Andre Dell. I sparred. Who is this? One of the guys that fought against Charlo. This what I'm telling you, when it comes to getting good work, I'm. I'm not. I'm trying to get good work. I wouldn't even get inside the ring with a man who's like, oh, I'm not going to hear her because she's a girl. Well, get the out of here then, because I am here to work. And I feel like if somebody not supposed to be in the ring with you, you get them out of there. I've never gotten a ring with a man and he was like, I. I got in there and she didn't deserve to be in the ring with me because I was just that much better than her. It has never happened. It's never happened. I'm sorry.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We have rolling. We have Rolly response to you. Did you see what Rolly said? We got the sound.

[Clarissa Shields]

Rolly love me. He said he not going to hit me back or something like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We gonna play the sound, okay? We. We play him better boxing skills than him, and I'm bigger than him.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I'm just.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Just your thoughts. When you, you saw that clip, what did you think when you saw that?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I believe her. I believe she can beat me. You know, she'll knock me out. I'm there for. I don't hit women.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's true. I just stayed that way.

[Clarissa Shields]

So with that answer being, listen, I'm not afraid to get inside the ring and spar against a man. I never have been. And I think people love to bring up this clip where I got dropped in 20. Was it 18 by this guy? I didn't get knocked out. I got dropped.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Clarissa Shields]

And plenty of guys get dropped.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is that the guy that Rollie dropped, then knocked out?

[Clarissa Shields]

That's the guy who Rollie knocked out, absolutely. Rolly knocked him out around 2019. But this is what you have to understand. That guy is a cheat. He didn't have no padding in his gloves. And if it's. And if it's not true, why him and him and the coach haven't sued me yet? That dude, I had whooped him the week before. He was mad. He didn't like it. I'm a black African American female. They don't value women in his country, and they definitely don't value no damn black woman. His coach gave him some worn gloves that he said he got from Roberto Durant as a gift. This is what the man said. Derek Santos, the coach. The gloves had zero to no padding in them. And he caught me with that hook when we. When we sparred because he wanted revenge on the week before when I tapped his ass. Now this is the thing, right? He sparred me and another guy the same day. Anytime I go to the gym and I'm sparring rounds, getting ready for a world championship fight, I sparred two different men. I always done that. I have. I'm always the one standing in the ring, standing, staying, staying fresh. He sparred that same guy, and I was standing there confused. It's my first time ever getting dropped. Been boxing for. Since I was 11 years old. I've never been dropped before. So I'm curious on how this dude dropped me, right? So I'm watching him and his dude named Harold, Harold Kadarin, spar right after me and him got done. I'm watching them spar, and Harold said, you weren't hitting like that last week. And I looked and I said, what the you meant by that? When he got done, when I got done sparring, I walked to him and said, hey, man, good work. I hit his glove, and I can tell you it was no padding in there. My coach, coach John David Jackson was there. Derrick Santos was there. Derek Santos, he grabbed the gloves off of the dude hands and stuck them in a Ziploc book bag and walked off. I literally ran to my car, and everybody know what I did. Everybody know when I ran, what I ran to my car to go do. But I learned the valuable lesson when you Sparring against anybody, check their gloves. I. I never was aware of that before, but that was back in 20. 2018. We was in 2026. And they can't bring up nothing else. That's flawed in my career. But that knockdown and then the knockdown with Hannah Gabriels came a couple days after that when I fought her in the first round. I still won that fight unanimously. But I've never been dropped before that and never have been dropped after that after those moments.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, I have a question. Yeah, I have a question. Right. You, obviously, I. I talked about it last night, about your skill in. In the ring, obviously, being more of a pure boxer, being a little bit more polished, you know, than Rolly is. Whether it's fighting on the inside, whether it's fighting at mid range or whether it's fighting that distance, I understand what you're gonna do. I understand your defensive.

[Clarissa Shields]

You understand boxing. Uncle. Uncle. Uncle Shannon don't understand boxing. For real?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

But. But what I. What I did. What I did say is, is I'm thinking of if. Just hypothetically speaking, if you did fight Rollie, understanding that he can crack, understanding that his boxing skills and his pedigree is. Is not what yours is. Understanding that. But in a fight, you obviously have to be cautious. If he was to catch you because he can crack, I mean, do you think he would knock you out if he was to catch you?

[Clarissa Shields]

Nah. But can I ask you something?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Talk to me.

[Clarissa Shields]

Since when have one punch? Who is it that box right now? Cause you box. Who is it right now? That's a man that. If he hit you one time with a good shot, clean shot, you going to sleep. Who is it, Shakur?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is it.

[Clarissa Shields]

Is it Keyshawn? Is it. Is it Terrence? Who can catch you with one shot? Ocho and you. And it's night night for you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think round one. Me personally, round one. Ocho, to answer her question, I think any guy that has a championship have a championship belt, if he catch. If he catches you on your chin, you going to sleep.

[Clarissa Shields]

Uncle, Uncle. Shannon, we know why you saying this. You are macho. Macho football. Football strength and strength.

[Brianna Stewart]

But.

[Clarissa Shields]

But that's. That's not going. That's not going to happen because I've been hit on my chin. I've been hit in my stomach. I've been hit by professional. We sparring.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

When.

[Clarissa Shields]

When have I ever gotten a ring?

[Shannon Sharpe]

In the original thing, you didn't say sparring. You said you can beat Rolly. It wasn't until later that you Said sparring. So the question is not.

[Clarissa Shields]

Well, that's the only way that we can fight, is it? If it's a sparring. When have you seen a woman versus a man? I. I haven't seen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So what do we talk? You said you could beat Rollie in a fight. Not sparring. Sparring came along later. We played the clip. Do we need to replay the clip?

[Clarissa Shields]

So you talking about up in a real fight?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You said you walked around at 185. He fights at 140.

[Brianna Stewart]

Huh.

[Clarissa Shields]

So you saying that if it's money and belt on the line and. And I got me a two or three month camp, you telling me that Rollie gonna knock me out up in what round?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Rollie gonna beat you? Yes. Yes. Rollie would stop you? Yes. Rollie would stop you. Yes, I believe Rollie would stop you.

[Clarissa Shields]

You are nuts. But I. But I love that for you. Because when you don't know boxing, you just don't know boxing that well. And you don't know me that well. But I will say this. I've never went inside the ring with anybody in. Ben.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Can I ask you a question?

[Clarissa Shields]

Theresa, my chin hit me right? Come on now. Did you not see the defense and the offense in my last fight?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Can I ask you a question, Clarissa?

[Clarissa Shields]

Can you answer?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Clarissa Shields]

Did you not see the offense and

[Shannon Sharpe]

defense that was against Franchon. This is Rollie, a three division champ.

[Clarissa Shields]

Listen, guys that really know how to box, I would tell you that they can do what they can do. That they better boxers or skilled or powerful, whatever they mean you. Rollie is not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Clarissa. Even at 1. Even around at 180. And he walks around. Let's just say for the sake of argument, if he's making weight at 147, I'm saying he's probably walking around at 160, 165. I'm gonna be generous and say he's gripping 14 between 15 and 20 pounds off. Even at 1:55, 165. His body still produces more testosterone as yours his.

[Clarissa Shields]

Nobody. Nobody ever said I was stronger than Rolly. I never said that. You said that. I am telling you off of your boxing. Look, Deontay Wilder have 41 knockouts. He getting there with a. With a pure boxer like Tyson Fury and lose. This is men to men. But I am telling you, skill to skill. Skill to skill. You not. You are not looking at skill to skill, man. You're. You're just not. Because you can't. Because you. Because you too macho.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

But you looking at Rollie, you looking at Rollie like he's not skilled. You looking at Rollies like he's not skilled.

[Clarissa Shields]

I am telling you that Rolly is skilled. He not better skilled than me. And Ocho even just told you that. Oh, just told you that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I'm asking that. So he's not as skilled as Clarissa. Do you believe Clarissa can beat him in a fight? In a sanctioned fight, a 12 round fight with 10 ounce gloves, do you believe Clarissa could beat him?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

That's why. That's what I explained in my first. When I first said it. Are you going to be, are you going to be able to protect yourself in a 10 round fight and not get, not get caught?

[Clarissa Shields]

In exchange you is tuck your chin and keep your hands up. What are we talking? I'm gonna go in there. Oh, I'm gonna go power for power with Rolly. I'm. Man, come on. You've seen the jab in the fight. You've seen the head movement. You've seen the body work. And any. Anybody I know we. You fight against somebody that strong, you hit him where the body. I'm going to Roll's body early.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Where you think he's gonna hit you? Let me ask you a question. Where do you think he's gonna hit you?

[Clarissa Shields]

Everybody gets hit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But have you. But you've never been hit by a man without headgear.

[Clarissa Shields]

Why would I have to hit with a man with. Without headgear?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's gonna be a fight. You said, you said if you got two to three months to fight, you could take Rolly out in the fight.

[Clarissa Shields]

I'll tell you what can happen with or without headgear versus a man. And because I never did that with the men, I've only sparred with it. Just like a man can tell you he's never been hit by a woman without headgear. Because they don't spar us without head gear either.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Normally men don't. First of all, I, it's hard for me to believe that Keshan Davis are getting ready or these elite fighters are getting ready for another elite fighter. They're going to bring a woman into spar. It's just, I'm not saying that it doesn't happen or it hasn't happened. It's just hard for me to believe that Manny Pacquiao is getting ready to spark, getting ready for these great fighters and he's sparring a woman. It's just hard for me to believe.

[Clarissa Shields]

No, listen, it's hard for you to believe because it's only one Clarissa Shields. A lot of these women cannot spar against men and get ready for no fights. They sparring against other women. I cannot do that. I watch every woman who I spar. Every woman who I work out with, I watch them. I am advanced. I've been doing this for 20 years and I grew up in a gym with nothing but boys and men sparring. Them listening. The, the truth hurts. And I, and, and, and what I think that hurts for, for you is to know that I'm a pure boxer and I know how to box very well. It's not. I don't fight like a girl. I know how to box. Jenny. I know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How about you don't. But I don't understand why I would be upset. I want you to win. I've spoken in glowing terms and saying you the best. But I just don't believe that you're gonna be. You're gonna be a three division champ. That's 147 in a fight. I just don't. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

And you know, you know what also,

[Clarissa Shields]

you can have that belief and, and that's okay. It's not another wrong.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

This is also what I also want to say. And I, I kept saying it last night and I've regurgitated it over and over and over. When it comes to you being the greatest at what you do, it's really the mentality you have right now, the belief that, that I can do it. Whether we believe you can or not. For me, you getting in there with, with the, with the actual fighter weight division champ and me understanding him not being a pure boxer and all that, I just understand the dangers behind it. I understand the danger behind it. Especially in a 10 round fight and there's no goddamn headgear.

[Clarissa Shields]

Yeah. You gotta watch your ass too.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah. You got to be goddamn cautious. But I think the fact that you even believe it, whether we think you can win or fucking not, this is why you are the best at what you do.

[Clarissa Shields]

But that's what I now. And now that we're speaking on that, I think I tweeted and I said the way how I believe in myself. It is not to intimidate you, but that is what greats have to do. And I am a great. I've been great for a long time. And I, and I know what I can and what I cannot do. And what I will tell you is proper preparation prevents poor performance. If I go and I watch film on Rollie and I go and I die and I go and I really dissect them and see what you do good and what you do bad. I'm telling you, I know that my skill can be the most. If I really did my homework and. And really had to sit there with it and prepare, I'm going to go and spar against Keshan Davis. I'm. I'm have to call up tfimo. I'm have to call Shakur. Hey, y', all, come, come help me get ready. I have to call Terence Crawford. Hey, y', all help me get ready. And I guarantee you, if I. If I done that, which I would, because that's how professionals and that's how fighters and champions think with them helping me prepare and then me having a Uncle. Uncle Shannon said a shank. A sanctioned fight with Roelly. I'm sorry, you guys, but the truth is in the pudding and that I will win.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But. Well, help me understand this. What does my hips have to do with anything? Because. Because if I ask you, could you run a go route? Could you run a square in? Could you brock a seven technique and overfront? Would you know what to do? If they brought two off your side and you in the slot, what would you do? I talked about football. If they brought two off your slide and you the slot, what would you do?

[Clarissa Shields]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't even know what I'm talking about, but now. But see, you took a shot at me. Talking about I couldn't throw a punch. I'm not a boxer.

[Clarissa Shields]

You told me a dude can knock me out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That is my opinion. You took me. But, see, you took a personal shot because I gave. I didn't take a personal shot at you.

[Clarissa Shields]

See, See, this where y' all get it wrong at. This where y' all get it wrong at? Boxing, I do take personally because that is my job. That's my livelihood, and that's all that I do boxing. Anything you say about me up in boxing, I take personally because that is my life. I don't have another life out outside of boxing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you a question. So you are above reproach. Nobody can have an opinion about you.

[Clarissa Shields]

No, you can have an opinion.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why you get upset if I got an opinion?

[Clarissa Shields]

I didn't get upset. I still came on here and talked to you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you took a personal shot in your tweet, Shakur took a personal shot. He took a personal shot because after the Teofimo fight, Ocho. And I said, ocho. I said, he fabulous. He was sensational tonight. I had him taken all the rounds,

[Clarissa Shields]

but he didn't get the knockout.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I said, but his fights don't excite me, and I wouldn't spend no money.

[Clarissa Shields]

Oh, yeah, but see, there again, see, this is what I want you guys to realize, and I've spoken this to the guys who I'm cool with and even, like, some of the commentators. Y' all say stuff like that and other people. And then it could affect other people. Like, you saying that can make other people be like, I'm not gonna spend my money to go and teach the core fight. He can take that very offensive because you do have a big platform, and people do love Uncle Shannon. You know what I'm saying? So he can take that per. He can take that personally. But it's like, I think you should have said it don't. It don't excite me. But then when you like, oh, it don't excite me, and I ain't gonna spend my money to go. It's like, you know that the money that people pay for the fight goes into his pocket.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Carissa, if somebody says, you know, look, I think Shannon's a phenomenal tight end, but he just don't block it. Just don't do it for me. I can't take that personal. That is someone's opinion. I offered an opinion. That's it. I said he was crazy.

[Clarissa Shields]

I think that your. I think that sometime with y' all opinions, y' all just like, go sometimes with, like, the podcast and stuff. Sometimes y' all say stuff and it's. And it's triggering. And I can apologize about saying what I said about your hip. You had triggered me. So my job is to trigger you back. That's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you say you didn't take it personal.

[Clarissa Shields]

I. No, no, no. I told you I took it personal. I said I take anything you say for me in boxing personal. I told you that. I said that. You talking about boxing? Oh, Clarissa can't do this boxing this, boxing that. Oh, he talks shit about me because boxing is all that I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you overlook all the other stuff I said that you the greatest, that you were sensational, that you were two time Olympic champions. So all the good stuff that I said, you set that to the side and just focus on the one thing that I said that you couldn't beat rolling. So all the 15 great say I couldn't be rolling.

[Clarissa Shields]

You said Rolly gonna knock.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I didn't say rolling was gonna knock you out. I said Rolly would beat you. Yes. I believe he would stop you. Yes. In a 10, in a 12 round fight? Yes, I believe Rolly would stop you.

[Clarissa Shields]

Did so. So did you say that or no?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I said he would beat you, but I do believe he would stop you from.

[Clarissa Shields]

I stop you was a knockout, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Tko, ko, whatever you want. Hey, you. Hey. They throw the towel in whatever you want you. Term you want to use.

[Clarissa Shields]

No, no, no, and no. No, that's not it. But y' all know that I got mad love for y'. All. Y' all know that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The fact that you own let us know that. So we. We appreciate that. I got mad love for y'.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

All.

[Clarissa Shields]

You know what I'm saying?

[Shannon Sharpe]

We're the only show after your last fight. We talked about your last fight, but you didn't give. You didn't tweet nothing about that.

[Clarissa Shields]

Y' all have put up congress or Something. But did y'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All.

[Clarissa Shields]

No. Yeah, I think I did retweet it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no. Hey, y' all go for watch. Nightcap. Uncle Nocho, they were talking about your girl. Good. You didn't say that.

[Clarissa Shields]

Listen, y' all know I rock with y', all, but I was. I'm still trending.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now, why youssa think about what we said?

[Clarissa Shields]

I didn't even. I think I seen it, but I had thought I had retweeted it or said something, but no. Look, I love beeping in with y'.

[Brianna Stewart]

All.

[Clarissa Shields]

I love talking, you know, talking boxing with y'. All. Just know that when like, come to me, I'm more of a. It's all in the opinion until it's fact. And when I hear y' all talk about things like it's facts, it be pissing me off, because it's like one. You never know until it. Until it happens. You never know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When we came on, we said, a two time gold medalist, a three time undisputed champion, undisputed heavyweight champion, a five division world champion with a perfect record with three KOs. The greatest woman of all time. So you bypass that and say. Well, he said, roly gonna beat me.

[Clarissa Shields]

That's a fighter's mentality. I'm like, wait a minute now.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah. Matter of fact. Hey, hey, Clarissa, you like to knock

[Clarissa Shields]

me out or stop me part? I was really pissed in. You really tripping me, then.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go ahead, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Clarissa.

[Clarissa Shields]

Yeah?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, tell Unc. Tell Uncle I. Whoop Shakur, please.

[Clarissa Shields]

Oh, show. You gotta stop.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Come on, come on.

[Clarissa Shields]

Wait a minute. You say you can beat up Andre Ward, now you can beat up Shakur. Is it like the light skinned guys for you or something?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Clarissa, can you spar? Ocho?

[Clarissa Shields]

Yeah, I promise you, I. I will spar. Osho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I'm talking about. See, that's. That's a match I can get. That's something I can get behind. No, I got you. I got you. I changed. I got you. God damn, I got you on that one.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hold on, you got. Hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You got Rolly, but you don't have me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm sorry, Ocho. See?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

See? You see how you see how you doing?

[Clarissa Shields]

Me?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Okay, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

She said she gonna study y' all about the same size you about 185. She said she walks around at 185. I got Clarissa.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, the weight. The weight. The weight don't matter when it comes to skill, you hear me? Oh, the weight don't matter.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You heard what he Said he said he got better skills than you, Clarissa. That's what he said. And you see how you say, what are we doing?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Why are you putting words in my mouth?

[Clarissa Shields]

But you know what, though? I have seen Ocho spar and I've seen them work out. And like I said, I would love to see what he think about me inside the ring. And I can guarantee him like, man, Unc, we better watch what you say about that damn girl. Because that girl be swinging. She be landing. And I'm. And I'm fast as lightning, baby. I'm fast as lightning. Did you see the fight?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Clarissa Shields]

Did you see the fight? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. Listen, I mean to my own horn, but I ain't beat a bitch up like that in a long time. Like, I mean, talk about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did you save any of that for Ocho in the sparring session?

[Clarissa Shields]

I tell Osho, give me about. Give me about mid. Give me April, me, him spark.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I want to be right there. We're gonna have nightcap. We're gonna have nightcap. A nightcap from Clarissa training camp. Ocho go spar. Yeah, a couple rounds.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, hold on, hold on, hold on. Matter of fact, do me a favor, right? Hey, Clarissa, I wanna. I want a running clock, right?

[Clarissa Shields]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I want. I want to run a clock. I don't want no three minutes. I don't want no 30 second rest. I want to run a clock. I want four. I want four rounds.

[Clarissa Shields]

Huh? You think you Floyd Mayweather, huh?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

No, I mean, that's just the way I train. That's the way when I train with booze.

[Clarissa Shields]

You want a four minute round?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, four minute. No, no, I just want to run a clock.

[Clarissa Shields]

What does that mean? Like, just let the clock run.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you get to beat him up as long as you want to, Clarissa.

[Audible Sponsor]

He won't.

[Clarissa Shields]

He want doghouse rules.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah. Dog house. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I need. I need. Hold on. I need some different. I need four different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh?

[Clarissa Shields]

How old you is?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Don't matter. The age don't matter when it comes. Question.

[Clarissa Shields]

How old are you?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Age don't matter when it comes. 47, 58.

[Clarissa Shields]

47, 58. Hey, hey.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You know, you know, you know what they call me in the gym? What they call me Hella hands. What?

[Clarissa Shields]

You fast. Oh, what you got quick hands?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

No, it feel like you fighting two people. So are you sure you want to get in the ring with me?

[Clarissa Shields]

I know. If you sure you want to get in the ring with me.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Oh, set it up, set it up. Set it Up, Set it up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I'm ready.

[Clarissa Shields]

He's dropping the hook already.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I'm ready. Hey, I'm good. When it's coming, the elbow gonna be up. Don't worry about it. The elbow be up when it's coming.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's came.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

It's coming.

[Clarissa Shields]

See? Oh. Think he got good head movement because his head little, but my head little too. See that? Here, here.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, hey, we gotta do that.

[Clarissa Shields]

She said yeah, yeah, come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like she'll be ready to go like mid, mid to late. April.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

April. Okay. Hey, April. Hey, April. We gonna be

[Shannon Sharpe]

training out of.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Oh, you down the street.

[Clarissa Shields]

I'm in Atlanta.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I know where you live, but I'm saying where are you gonna be training out of?

[Clarissa Shields]

I'm fighting again probably in July, August. I supposed to piece a piece of Shadesha, but she's fighting against the girl that I beat already. So I guess we got to put her on the back burner for right now. So I think I'm fighting again in July, August. If we can lock in this fight

[Shannon Sharpe]

with another girl, there's some people. Hey, hold on. What's going on with you and Chris cyberg? Because she been. She been. She been commenting on a lot of the polls.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, why she. She wanted. Why she would she want to fight? She want to fight. I mean, what do you think about that?

[Clarissa Shields]

She's a bum.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Lord have mercy.

[Clarissa Shields]

I don't even know. No, I'm like, I'm so serious. She came out box to save her

[Shannon Sharpe]

life when she said she wants. She won't. She won't smoke now.

[Clarissa Shields]

She's a clout. She's a clout chaser. Tell her to fight it. She want me to come all the way down to 147 and lose my ass and a little bit of chance that I got to fight against her. No, ma'. Am. If she really want to fight, she can meet me up at 165. I would. I would knock her ass out. Easy. Chris Cyborg cannot box and she know that. She says my name because she's not relevant no more. She's a loser. She's a loser. She's not relevant no more. So she's got to say my name. But she. Man, I got pictures where Chris Iber done walked out with my belts. Them been there, she's a fan. But now she's want to be a hater because let me. Let me tell you how soft these girls is. Let me tell you something. The guy who throw Floyd fights, right, he came to me and said Clarissa, we want to do a fight with you. We want to have you on the undercard of Floyd Mayweather, but we got to find you a good opponent. I said, okay, who you thinking about? He got name people off. Name people off. And he like, oh, well, she not. She not that good. She not that good. We want you to have a good fight. I said, well, they had just did Francis Ngannou versus Anthony Joshua. I said, what about Chris Cyborg? It's back when she was my friend. He said, okay, he was gonna pay me 3 million. It was gonna pay Chris 2, 3. 3 million for me, 2 for her at 154 pounds. This was like, a couple years ago. I called him my good girl, Chris. Hey, girl, I got some money for us. I got some money for us. Me and you fight exhibition, whatever rounds, blah, blah. She was all cool, right then. I was like, we gonna fight at 154. She said, 154. She agreed all this stuff. She talked to the guy. She gonna tell him. I put him in contact. She like, oh, no, she gotta fight me at 147.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

What? Nah, she messed up the money.

[Clarissa Shields]

First of all, I could have said, fight me at 160. I ain't gotta lose nothing. You then. This was a couple years ago. She's talking about some. No, I come to 47 and then start saying she had knocked me out and then started this whole rumor that I'm scared of her. Like, I don't have to be scared of a girl that. That I sparred one time, four rounds, when we supposed to do six. In the four rounds, after I kicked her ass in front of her boxing coach, Jason, she was damn near about to die and cry inside the ring, literally. And I boxed her in some damn Jordans. I didn't even have my boxing shoes. I had no mouthpiece, and I wore her gloves and her. Her. Her gloves and her headgear, and I tore Chris Cyborg ass up. And she know that we never sparred again. Never sparred again. Just that one time. And that's when you know you got somebody. They won't even call you back for sparring no more.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I tell you what.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, matter of fact, I got. I got one more thing. Larissa, you know what? This past weekend, right, I married a very good friend of mine, so now I'm. I can officiate weddings. So I'm asking you ahead of time when you and Papoose decide to. To jump the broom, Allow me to officiate your wedding. If you don't if you don't know, you can go to my Instagrams and you can see where I marry Gary Owens and his. And his wife, Brianna Johnson Owens.

[Clarissa Shields]

I seen that before I got on here. I just seen.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah.

[Clarissa Shields]

Congratulations.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, I appreciate that. So right now, I'm a man. I'm a man of the cloth. I'm the Honorable Bishop Ocho. So at any point you guys cross the room, please allow me to officiate your wedding. I ain't gonna charge much. I ain't gonna charge much.

[Clarissa Shields]

You know what? And I mean this, like, so humbly. We have such a long line with that. Everybody wants to officiate our wedding. I don't know how everybody know we're going to get married one day, but everybody just say it, and they see it, and they say it all the time. And I would say that.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

No, no, no, no. Okay, you know what? Let me fight everybody that want to officiate your wedding. And whoever come out, win. Whoever come out that goddamn don't win that. That's how we gonna do it.

[Clarissa Shields]

You gonna be fighting against church people? Ocho, you. You crazy. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, baby, listen. Sometimes the Lord say, you got a backslide. You gotta.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gotta.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You gotta take it. What you want.

[Clarissa Shields]

Hey, the Lord said that it's a. It's a time for peace in a time for war.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Then I'm going to war by.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tell you what, Clarissa, I know you're going to talk to it. I know you're going to talk to Jakur. But ask Shakur if he wants to come on and explain. What? What did I say? My opinion. Why did I upset him so much?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Stop, Duck.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes,

[Clarissa Shields]

I'll ask him. But I want to also ask you, too. What did you mean by you and Shakur can compare accolades at the end of y' all careers? I know. And you a Hall of Famer, correct? In football, right? So how would y' all compare his

[Shannon Sharpe]

career when he retired? We'll look and see what he's done and if he's recognized as one of the greats, if he's recognized with Leonard and. And Pacquiao and Roberto Duran and Tommy Hearns and. And Floyd Mayweather.

[Clarissa Shields]

But, you know he will be, though, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let's see. We said this. We.

[Clarissa Shields]

No, but I'm saying, like, sometimes you just.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We said the same thing about Jermaine Taylor, didn't we, when he stopped, Remember when he beat Bernard Hopkins, we said the same thing. He was on that trajectory, right? So let's see how it plays out. You got. You got to Let a career, career, you can't get halfway through it because we've seen guys start out great and things happen. And I pray nothing happens to Shakur. But we have to let the career, career before we do that.

[Clarissa Shields]

This is long, this is a longevity thing. Like the court Olympic silver medalist to turn pro. I, I believe he's three division world champion, am I correct?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Probably so, yeah.

[Clarissa Shields]

I think he's probably three or four. I don't even know which one. I hope he don't crucify me for that. I, I need to learn my, like my brother stuff. But I will, I will say this. You really. Shakur is already a Hall of Famer right now with what he's accomplished right now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So let me ask you a question. Is he one of the best five lightweights to ever fight? So is he better than Duran? He better than Sugar Shane, he's better than Sugar Ray Leonard, he better than Floyd Mayweather? Sugar Shane mostly at that division. Pacquiao at that division.

[Clarissa Shields]

I think Shakur is a better. Now, see, I like Pacquiao. Very aquifier and all that stuff. Shakur, boxing skills.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No skills is what. Here's the thing now if, right now, if he were to retire right now, is he better than Shane Mosley, is he better than Floyd? Is he better than those guys at the lightweight division?

[Clarissa Shields]

No, not right now. No, at the lightweight. Not right now. See, we talking about, you talking about these guys full careers versus his career, which is right in the middle.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So now do you understand why I said when his career is over, let's have a discussion.

[Clarissa Shields]

Well, I'm, I'm telling you, Shakur is going to be considered like the Floyd Mayweather in just a year or two. You know that, right? Because he gonna, he gonna fight the guys who y' all said that he can't beat and if he can get the fights because.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But he won't. Weight clauses, he want rehydration clauses and all that.

[Clarissa Shields]

Which is smart. What you mean it's smart? Listen, these motherfuckers gaining 30 and 40 pounds after they weigh in, this is crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They always did that. They always rehydrated and refueled up. I didn't know anything about a rehydration clause until Tank and Ryan fought. I don't remember Sugar Ray and Duran and all those guys having rehydration clause.

[Clarissa Shields]

So how do you feel about Tank having one on Ryan? You think if he didn't have it on Ryan that Ryan would have won?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that's what I'm saying. But didn't they fight at a catch weight? Listen, if I walk around at 180, I make 147. Why you could. I made the weight. The weight said 147. So now you want me to walk around. I walk around at 180, I make 147. Now you got a problem if I go up. So now I gotta stay at 150.

[Clarissa Shields]

Well, I don't. Well, that's £3.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Map Dorotine. So what they have. I think Ryan could only go up, what, five, six pounds.

[Clarissa Shields]

Which. Which is. Which is dumb because a gallon of water is eight pounds. That's not even safe for a fighter. But I will say this. You see, Terrence went up and fought against Canelo, right. Come the smaller man going up three different weight classes. And we never heard Terrence say rehydration cloth.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Correct.

[Clarissa Shields]

And the only reason that we did it, we. Now, we didn't hear that. Is because Terence Crawford is a big guy himself. Naturally, Shakur is not naturally. So Shakur is not big like that. Like, Shakur has been small.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Floyd has been small. Floyd ain't never had a rehydration claw. Floyd probably walks around at 150. That's why it was so easy for him to be great. I mean, he's a great. His skill level, don't get me wrong. But Floyd probably walks around at 150, 152. So making 147 was nothing to him.

[Clarissa Shields]

But Floyd is way bigger than Shakur. Like, Shakur is actually a little guy. I think he's fought the Olympics at. Was it 126 that. I mean, that's. Yeah, you're talking about 126 pounds. And now he's at. A couple years later. Now, he don't only fought as big as 140. That's £14.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But as you get, you know, as you get older, Clarissa, you know, the body is just something. The body just naturally put. Yeah.

[Clarissa Shields]

It feels out more.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It'll fill out.

[Clarissa Shields]

It feels out more. But I feel like. I feel like with Shakur, him being, I think, 27, 28, that he hasn't. Like, he hasn't seen how strong he really is yet and seen, you know, his power, like, his power in everything. Like, I'm turning 31 next week, and I feel like my last fight was the strongest I've ever been in my entire life.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So what did you fight in the Olympics? Where did you fight at, Clarissa, what was your weight in the Olympics?

[Clarissa Shields]

165, 75 kilos.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you fought. So. So you. You've been fighting at your natural weight the whole damn time.

[Clarissa Shields]

Well, I went down to 54 and became undisputed. And then I fought at 60.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but, you know, like, most guys, most guys when they fight, they like, they fight, okay, like. Like Roy Jones. Roy was a junior welterweight, and then he went to middle, then he went to super middle. Then he, you know, he fought, then he went to light, and then he took the belt from Ruiz.

[Clarissa Shields]

Anyway.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, so normally you see, you look at Sugar Ray, lightweight, super move on up 47, and then he fought Haglett, middleweight at 160. But for you, I don't know if I've heard this before, is that you 165 and you've been basically fighting at. So you in your wheelhouse, you in your sweet spot. Ain't nobody gonna beat you at that weight.

[Clarissa Shields]

Well, well, that's the thing. So I started my professional career at 168. Then. Then I went down to 60, and then I went down to 54. I would went down to 47 to fight against Celia Brackets, but she wouldn't fight me. That was who was number one at the time at that weight class. So I said that 54. I went back to 60, then I went. Then I was no girls to fight at 68. Now I'm at 75. I'm just jumping around and see.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did you come back down to 54? If you could find a fight at 54, would you go back down to 54?

[Clarissa Shields]

The lowest I can go, I believe, is 60 now. But it's because I put on so much, so much muscle and strength to fight at 75.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Right.

[Clarissa Shields]

These girls at 75, I'm telling you, on these girls is huge.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm telling you. Well, if they fight, if they get in the making 75, they might be walking around at 95. 200. Then.

[Clarissa Shields]

Clarissa, I know I fought against a girl. I ain't gonna say her name because I don't want to give her business out, but she walk around at 215 and me and her fought at 175.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

If she walk around at what, 215.

[Clarissa Shields]

I have never been 200. Nothing. Well, in my life.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I agree with you. I think the thing is, once you get to that weight and you get comfortable, because I think that's what hurt Roy. Roy went from, you know, Roy put on that weight to be the heavyweight

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

champ, and he went to heavyweight all the way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Muscle. And he was never the same after that.

[Clarissa Shields]

Yeah, I think that because. Because I Do plan on going back down to. To have some more big. Some have some more big. Some more big fights to 60.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Clarissa Shields]

And I will say that it's about how you lose weight. Everybody want to spend only two weeks in. Well, two months, three months.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Be 16 to 20 weeks, right?

[Clarissa Shields]

But I'm saying, like, they want to spend three months and two months and just spend all that time losing weight and getting ready for the fight. You understand what I'm saying? And it's like you need to lose weight the correct way to where your body is not shocked when you get back down there. So I have a very strong nutrition team who I've been with since 2018, the same team that Terence. That. That have. And they've been telling me for years. I'm talking about years ago. They was like, clarissa, you can get the 147. And I told them they are smoking something. Well, but they are.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you might have to get on that zippy if you want to get to 47. Clarissa, you about to get on that zippic or that major note. Tri Zepatile.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, a matter of fact, you know, you. You could put me on. Can I be the head of your nutrition team?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Clarissa Shields]

Oh, so you looking for another job? You trying to stop working with Uncle Shannon? He getting on your nerves?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Oh, I got. I got. I got about 50, 11 jobs since I'm. I'm trying to be.

[Clarissa Shields]

You know what I. Listen, I heard. This is what I learned. They said in order to be a millionaire, you got to have at least seven incomes. You looking around having some income, ain't you?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I got way more than that, sis.

[Clarissa Shields]

Hold on now. I. I know you got the millions, but you're trying to get to the tens and the twins and the 30 millions, ain't you?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

No, I. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just trying to have my hand in. In a little bit of everything. That. That's all. That's all. That's all. It ain't about the money because I ain't spending nothing no way.

[Clarissa Shields]

I heard, I heard you don't. You don't spend money on your jewelry.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Oh, I don't play well, now, I dabbling. I dabble and I dip and dabble

[Clarissa Shields]

a little bit now right here, buddy.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Well, let me see. Let me see what that is, what that is.

[Clarissa Shields]

Sis, this is a. This is a book. Is this a Bulgari? It's only two of them. Made in the world.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You got my. You got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Well, I ain't. I ain't I ain't got no. I ain't got no jewelry on tonight,

[Clarissa Shields]

but I only wore this one today, and I got, like, a little Gucci ring. This ain't nothing. A little 2000.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, can you do me one favor, too? Because I got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I got two people that have been ducking. They've been ducking me for a while.

[Clarissa Shields]

Okay, you said Shakur, ducky and who else?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Oh, yeah, you know, he don't want the hand. Tell Andre Ward stop running for me. Right?

[Clarissa Shields]

Okay, so there's two people. Who else.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Tell Bud I said, I'm here, man,

[Clarissa Shields]

if you don't leave Twin alone.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But Bud really. Bud really like that? Clarissa, he don't really understand. Bud really, really like that?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I didn't been in the ring with Bud. I know, I know. I know what he do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just. Bud do anything. You want to wrestle Bud around?

[Clarissa Shields]

Y' all better stay away from them rings, bro. Did y' all see what Keyshawn did? The blue face?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I saw that.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You saw that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I did.

[Clarissa Shields]

God damn. Listen, I will say that that's one thing that Blueface is doing right. He going and getting the actual work. I can respect that. But golly, he must have Hickey Sean with a shot. And Keyshawn went crazy on him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, straight body shot, head. Hey, he was everything. Pull, counter. I said, damn.

[Clarissa Shields]

Yeah, he. It was like a professional fight. I thought he was fighting Jermaine Ortiz again.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

And the funny thing too about it, when you. When you go against the pros at that level and you think you can fight, and once they decide to turn up.

[Clarissa Shields]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

It becomes overwhelming. And it's not. It's nothing you can do.

[Clarissa Shields]

Nope.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Thanks for joining us. We really appreciate that. That's. Y' all know who two time Olympic gold medal, a three time three division champ, five division world champ, undisputed heavyweight champ, 18 to no record with three Kosher, Clarissa Shields. Thank, Clarissa. Thanks.

[Clarissa Shields]

Hi, y'. All. Thank y' all for having me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Appreciate that.

[Clarissa Shields]

Yeah,

[Shannon Sharpe]

we really hope you guys enjoyed that conversation.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Look, hey, they. They. They had to enjoy that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

She stood on. I stood on what I stood on. We. We agreed to disagree. I hope that fight doesn't happen. I don't think anybody benefits from that because, you know, like I said, listen at him talk. If you see that, his demeanor, he's like, I don't hit women. Yeah, you're right. She knocked me out. He would go in there with intentions to hurt her. And I don't. We don't. We don't need that. Ocho.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Like hypothetically, you know, the, the dialogue, the discourse is really good. It was entertaining. And everyone obviously 98 of the people agree that you know that, that Rollie would win. And I said you with 10 ounce gloves with no headgear, you, your ass would have to be goddamn cautious no matter how good your defense is. For someone that can crack the way he can, it just takes one. It just takes one. And he, and it takes, he. He has a punching chance. So I, I enjoyed it. I hope that people enjoyed it. But I also hope that people understand despite what they may feel, despite them might saying she's delusional. I hope they understand that the mentality that she has even having the belief that she can win is the main reason why she is great at what she does. At times you have to be delusional. Hell, uncle, I come on here with you all the time and I'm delusional since we've been going for the last two years. But me being delusional at times is one of the reasons why I was great at what I did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think the thing was that the

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

greatest of all time. No, but it's a piece of what made me great.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that's how she said, you know, you like I'm just going, you know, I tuck your chin and move your head. Well, you can't throw punches with your team your chin tucked and moving your head because you know when you throw a punch you open yourself up.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, you got to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's just so what? No matter what punch you throw, there's a counter to it because while you throwing that punch decide that you're throwing the punch from that side of the face is open. I get it. You know, you keep your hands up. But what about the side that you throw in the punch Ocho? What about the side that you throw it? You throw in the overhand. What about the side you threaten to throw the hook you vulnerable.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

And the funny thing too, you know, at that level you got to be careful too because it's, you know, people, people you taught the. You told the punch between punches. So you got, you got the exchange. There's something coming back in hurry.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, let's get to the NFL. The Dolphins are releasing tour with a post June 1st designation Miami take on an NFL record 99 million dollar dead money split over two years. Miami would rather pay $99 million ocho than have tour on the team two players to sign a one year deal with the Atlanta Falcons. So now the Falcons would have two left handed quarterbacks Michael Pennings Jr. Jr. And Tua heading into 2026. The playoff wins for the class of 2022 is 0 and 11 game. Justin Herbert is 0 and 33 games. Jordan Love 1 and 34 games. Jordan Joe Burrow 5 and 27 games. And Jalen Hurst is 6 and 4 and 10 games. Ocho and they owe him a little attention to 55 million. So he gets 55 million guaranteed. So for the extra year they basically played to about $125 million to get his services for an extra year. And this is the problem that you run into Ocho is that when you sign these guys then that third year and you don't let them get to that fourth year and pick up that fifth year option if it Kyler, we saw this and we're going to talk about Kyle in a minute. This is the problem that you run into because you sign it for an extra year and you like he ain't it but you stuck like Chuck. But the Dolphin says we gonna move on. We're gonna cut our losses. It's a loss. Ocho, we're gonna cut it and move on. Ocho, this is talk to us.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, it's my team. I mean it happens all the time. It happens all the time. But Obviously when Mike McDaniel left, when things didn't go right, the stuff with two of some of the things that Tua said last year, obviously them not playing well offensively, the frustration with Tyreek Hill actually leaving, leaving the field the, the previous season, the injury this season, Tua not playing very well this season, being benched, you know, at, at some point in, in this season as well, things weren't going right. And I think from that, for that, from that moment on they were looking forward to moving on from him. And a lot of people say, well, what about the, the dead cat hit there? It'd be impossible to let someone go with a dead cat dead cap hit that big. And, and I don't think people understand how business works. They will eat that, they will eat that regardless of what the cap number is once they are willing to move on from you, even at the quarterback position. Because at that position, that's the one that matters most. That's the individual that touches the ball most. For us to go anywhere, we have to have consistency and structure at said position. And when it's not playing well, you understand it's not going anywhere. No matter how much you paid them. We have no choice but to move on. Not only move on, they, they Scrap the whole goddamn thing. And, and starting over.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oo, it's like a relationship. And we've seen this. You know it's over. They know it's over. But what you do. Oo, you hang on for another year or two and all you've done is wasted another year. Two years of your time, another year or two of her time. The Dolphin says, we know this is over.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Nothing going to change.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You keep the ring.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Nothing going to change.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know we paid $100 million for this ring. You keep it. You keep it. We're moving on. And I, I can't blame him. I can't say that I blame him. If you don't believe the guy can get it done, why are we holding on? I got. You know what, Ocho, we're gonna pay you 55. Me? We don't believe you. The guy. We're gonna pay you 55 million to go play elsewhere. I sure wish somebody make a mistake like that on me when I was playing.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah. Hey, listen. It's the nature of the business, especially quarterback. The time, listen, also not only is the nature of the business, but the timing of when it happened.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

The timing. There was no, there was nowhere else to go. There was no other answer. So if you. Let's say you didn't want to play tour. Let's say Miami Dolphins fans didn't want him to be the quarterback of the future for the next decade or whatever it may be. There was nowhere else to turn. You can't just pick quarterbacks off the goddamn tree. Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

How about play, make him play that fourth year and pick up his fifth year option. That's always a first round pick. That's always an option.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Right. But hold on. We talk about tour. He's been a good model citizen. He's coming off two phenomenal seasons back to back. Obviously with when their offense was going crazy. I forgot what year that was. When they put up 70 on. Goddamn. Yeah. That season in general, obviously still a first round exit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. They lost Kansas City.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yes, yes. And I, I, it's just that they, I think he had done enough for them, for them to say, you know what? For your services and what you've done to date, we're going to bless you because you've done everything as a model citizen. Model citizen in the community, as a quarterback, as our franchise players. And we want to reward you like every other teams for the person that they believe in. And I think that's why they did was short lived. I wish my USO the best down there in Atlanta. I'm not sure what's going to go on with their quarterback situation. It's kind of, it's kind of funny. Is this the first time, is it the first time I could be wrong that there have been two left handed quarterbacks?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can't think anything off the top of my head. Ocho.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But here's the thing.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I mean it's cool.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's gotten two coaches fired. Brian Flores and McDaniels. He's got two coaches fired. Now we can look at it any kind of way you want to. And they, they brought.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yes sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They drafted Jalen Waddle. They traded for, they traded, they gave up a king's ransom to get reek. They brought Raheem Mosted in there. They drew out the Devon A Chan wide receivers. They, they, they brought in Darren Waller. I would have been really, really leery based on his injury history at college. Based on his injury history in the NFL. I'd have been real hesitant Ocho. To invest that kind of money in him. I really, I really would have. And, and the fact he's not, he's not a big guy. He's not a big guy. And, and, and, and I just think the thing is right now is that it was the best decision for them to with the 25th in QBR over the past two seasons since signing a $112 million extension in 2024. But the Falcons are hoping to revert back to his pre extension performance when he had the fifth highest QBR in 22:23 hours after announcing tools released the Dolphins agreed to a contract with Malik Willis three years.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What we talking about? 67.5 million. That presumably makes him the team starting quarterback at least in the 2026 season. Oo are you excited about this signing?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You goddamn right I'm excited. You. I'm got. You goddamn right I'm excited. Because listen Malik Willis, he got a bad, he got a bad rap. He got a bad rap. He's supposed to be the quarterback of the Tennessee Titans but obviously things didn't work out. Things didn't work out. They went and drafted goddamn Will Levis. No disrespect to young Bull obviously beam. Okay, fast forward to now. Jordan Love gets hurt with the Green Bay packers last year. Malik, Malik Willis steps in and looks phenomenal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He did.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

He looks phenomenal. I'm not, I'm not sure if anybody in the chat that that's watching you can understand. You can hear through the, the enthusiasm in which I speak and speak of him. You know and, and how good he looked when he replaced Jordan Love with the Packers. The only problem that worries me, this is what worries me with him coming to Miami. Right. We have Jayden Waddle. I want you to look at the supporting cast in which he had to work with, with the Green Bay Packers. You had Hicks, Watson, Reed, Romeo Dobbs. Do you, you see where I'm going with that? You see where I'm going with all, all these, all these catches of the ball? So now you're coming here to Miami. Now I think part of the reason why you had that short term success when Jordan Love was out was because of the goddamn weaponry that's surrounding you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Now, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the, with the, with the Dolphins receivers right now, but I still need them to either raise their level of play equivalent to that of what they have in Green Bay because they, they're not just guys. They're not, they're not just guys. They, they, they can, they can get it done and they make a difference. And it's by committee because when it comes to the packers on game day, you never know whose day it's gonna be. You never know who in Dan's gonna get. So is that, is that's what we need here? We need another weapon, huh? We, we need another weapon to go with Jalen Waddle. Obviously we do have some very, very good complimentary pieces that do what they do well at the receiver position, but we need another guy. Yeah, we need another guy. And I think we'll be fine offensively. Hell, we got mother brother Hn back there doing his thing. So we get, if we can get another guy to add, maybe to, to add a little speed to take the top off a defense or, or someone that's really great at running out the cat. I mean, whatever it may be, there, there are a lot of options out there right now in free agency. So I'm sure the Dolphins are going to do their due diligence, do their homework, and I'm glad we got Malik Willis based off the small sample size of him starting on a team where they're structured offensively like to the top, to the, to the top T from top to bottom. I'm hoping we get that same production from here, here in Miami, you know, in the 7, 16, 17 game season. I'm happy, I'm excited.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I thought the Dolphins Ocho. I thought the Dolphins or the, the, the Cardinals were the best fit. I thought he'd get a little bit more money. I thought he Would get something like a Baker Mayfield or Sam Darnold deals, you know, something around the 28 to 30 million dollars. He got about 22 and a half a year, which is good money. Which is good money for a guy that hadn't started in a couple of years and just only bought played, I think four games. Started a couple of games last year. Yeah, but I agree with everything that you said. You, you got to put weapons around him. He didn't really have those weapons. And I don't know how well he was coached. I don't know how conducive the system that he was in was for him. But if you look at him, he looked like a total. A totally different quarterback in Green Bay. Yes. Than he did when he was with Tennessee. Now, a lot of that has to do with expectations, you know what I'm saying? Ojo, you the backup guy. Ain't a whole lot expected of you. As long as you don't wet the baby, they're going to love you. Now you going into a situation, you're back to the Tennessee, there's expectations.

[Clarissa Shields]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Their expectations now. And I wish the young man the best because, you know, like I said, I knew he would get a. Based on the way he played last year. I said he gonna play himself into a contract. He's gonna be a starter for somebody.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You said it. You said it. I forgot what game it was. I think it might have been his. His first time starting.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He played well against Chicago. He played really well. Baltimore. Remember Bald. The Baltimore game?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah. Oh yeah, the Baltimore game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep. Ocho. The Kansas City Chiefs are signing former Super Bowl MVP, the Seahawks running back Kenneth Walker III.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To upgrade their backfield. The deal three years worth up to 45 million with 28.7 fully guaranteed. Walker coming off Artemis best season, earning MVP arms in the super bowl, leading the Seahawks past the Patriots last month. He also led the NFL in postseason rushes. 65 rush yards, 313 rushing touchdowns, four in three games in January and February. Walker will become the first Super Bowl MVP to sign with a new team the following season since Dexter Jackson did it for the Buccaneers. He left to go to the Cardinals in 2003. The Chiefs wanted to upgrade their rushing attack. They ranked 25th in rush yards per game, 106.6 and 20th in yards per carry at 4, 2, 1. This especially struggled down the stretch, failing to surpass the 100 rush yard mark in each of their final four games. Ocho, do you like this?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, I ab. I absolutely do like it. I was. I was upset that the Chiefs and do their due diligence and do what they needed to do to bring a running back in last season at the trade deadline, I was hoping it would have been Bree Paul, Bree hall getting somebody that can take the like. Yeah, yeah. You see how they doing it. You saw his tweet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But they weren't willing to give up a second round pick and the Dolphins had a. Stood firm. You lost your mind.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah. You know, you know what your team needs. Obviously you, when you look at somebody like the Chiefs, you understand. You know what? Okay. You don't want to give us. You don't, you don't value that position the way you think you should because you have a quarterback that's so, that's so good at what he does where you really haven't had a centerpiece or a running back like that. But now I think it's very important for them to get a player like brother Walker and what he can do. You have, you have a, you have a player that is, that is really good. He looked tremendous last year with the Seahawks when he actually got a chance to actually start and play a bit. Play a bit, bit more at the sh. Am I saying it? Right after Charbonne went down and, and got injured, he played himself into a contract. He played himself in, in into an opportunity to play for the Chiefs. So I'm, I'm excited. I'm excited for them. But they still need help as well.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

In other positions now that, I mean, you, you said it last year. You said it last year that they need to get a running back. You said it last year because what they, what they had, you know, getting 1 and 2 yards and 3 yards of carry just ain't gonna cut it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I, I thought, I think the thing is, Ocho is like when you have a great quarterback, you like, well, we could take maybe average or below average at certain positions and because our quarterback is so great, he could overcome that. Well, finally it caught up.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Bingo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And Mahomes couldn't overcome it because the running back, the lack of running back, the lack of big plays at the wide receiver position and the inconsistency of the offensive line, it finally, even Patrick Mahomes, it was too great for him to overcome. And then once he got that injury, you know, their season was over and so they just kind of. They played, they continue to play, but they weren't winning anything. I like this. I don't really know where else. Where they was going to go. I mean, you look at what ATN he went to the Saints. He got a big, got a big payday. Look, I, I, I, I don't know if this mean, does this mean they're probably out of the market for the brother from Love? I, I think what's the brother from another name?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Jordan. Jordan Love.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jeremiah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Look, Jeremiah Love I'm talking about, I

[Shannon Sharpe]

don't know if that's, they're out of the running and maybe there's like, well, where we're picking, we're probably not going to get there to get him. And so we got to upgrade this. Look, if you just look at it oo me personally, I'm not so sure that he's a top 10 running back, but sometimes in free agency it's about being free.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's about you, you look at some of the salaries that the guys are getting. They have to be free.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's, it's all about timing. Location, location, location, restaurant or business. Timing, timing, timing. When it comes to these contracts, it's, it's everything. And so like I said, I don't know. He probably, he, he hit it. Right. He hit it when he needed to have a great postseason super bowl mvp. Somebody's gonna play him now. I knew I like there's a 95 chance he's gonna go elsewhere. They just, they're just not running backs unless you 17, 1800 yards unless you know.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A couple of times like a Derek Henry or Saquon even, even Quan Saquon really couldn't get a second long term contract from the Giants. Remember they franchised him. He had to leave.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Henry at least got a second contract. And then they was like, well, he don't have any juice. No. No juice left. And then he goes and still play it well. Jonathan Taylor, but for the most part, Ocho, they're not really giving running backs second big time contracts. And so I was, I'm not surprised that he's not in Seattle anymore based on, on the production that they got out of him. Charbonnet will be back. I believe he'll be back. And, and you, you probably can go get a running back to feel, to feel the, the boy that he leaves

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

vacated and that, that's exactly how they view it. That's exactly how they view it. If you're not special, if you're not special. They think we can play. It's plug and play. We can find another you. We can find another you that can do exactly what you were doing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're right. But I think, I think but the Kansas City, Ocho, they still. I feel, I still think they need some offense, obviously offensive line, I. I definitely think they need some receiver. They lost a. Look, they lost both corners. Both corners goes to the Rams. And we talked about this last. I said, man, the Rams secondary is terrible. And what did they do? They wouldn't upgrade it. They got both of the. Both of those guys from Kansas City. Now you'll see how they look outside of a. What's the guys out. Out of what.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

What spags.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How they look outside of his system.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But with verse and, and. And the offense with the. The D line, I think the D. We. We're going to see how that. How it is. But Kansas City, they lost Brian Cook, they lost both corners. They. I think they're going to probably lose some other players. So it's going to be. Look, Kansas City got their work cut out for them because you let it. You let it. The house, you. Look, you could have repaired the roof and you didn't. And so now your plumbing is also messed up. So now you gotta. So basically, Ocho, you got a lot of holes to feel.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because you had. Funny thing about it that masked a lot of things. And when he could no longer mask, you realize it's kind of like makeup, Ocho. Sometimes you don't realize how much make. How much makeup helps until the lights come on and you wake up in the morning. Like God told my nose. That's what, that's what Patrick Mahomes is. He's the greatest makeup. The great quarterbacks, they're makeups. They're the best. I'll do just before your time. It used to be a makeup called Prince Machabelli and Maybelline.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Oh, yeah, I remember that. Maybelline.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know what the makeup. I don't even know Mary Kay.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Don't forget about Mary Kay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Pete car. They drive around.

[Clarissa Shields]

Yeah, yeah, but I guess.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But yes, sir, those really great quarterbacks, they are great makeup and they can hide imperfections. And it's not until you're not able to apply that makeup that you see all these imperfections and all these blemishes and you realize like, damn, we not as pretty as I thought we were. And the Kansas City realized that because all of a sudden Patrick Mahomes could not cover up those blemishes and they realized just how imperfect they were. This is the biggest night in podcasting.

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