Nightcap Hour 1: CMC runs ALL OVER the Panthers + Shedeur Sanders OFFICIALLY QB1 & Unc says Kevin Stefanski HATES TO SEE IT + Was Ja’Marr Chase’s APOLOGY SINCERE?

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1: NFL Recap, Shedeur Sanders QB1, Stefanski Drama & Ja’Marr Chase’s Apology

Host: Shannon Sharpe
Co-host: Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson
Air Date: November 25, 2025
Podcast Feed: Club Shay Shay – Nightcap

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of "Nightcap Hour 1" on Club Shay Shay brings NFL legend Shannon Sharpe and charismatic co-host Chad "Ocho" Johnson together to break down the 49ers vs. Panthers matchup, celebrate Shedeur Sanders being named QB1 for the Cleveland Browns, and analyze the drama surrounding Kevin Stefanski and player handling. They also dig into Ja’Marr Chase’s recent apology and what it means for sportsmanship and locker room culture. The episode is filled with their classic humor, technical football insight, and candid takes on the week’s biggest football stories.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. 49ers Dominate Panthers & CMC’s Revenge Game

[03:20–18:30]

• Christian McCaffrey's Historic Pace & Revenge:

  • CMC had 142 total yards (89 rushing, 53 receiving), becoming one of only three players ever (with Roger Craig and Marshall Faulk) to be on pace to rush and receive for over 4,000 yards in a single season.
  • The hosts note the emotional aspect as CMC faced his former team.
  • “If McCaffrey stays on the pace that he's on, he'll do it for the second time. So something very, very special, something Bears watching.” — Shannon Sharpe [04:46]

• Critical Game Analysis:

  • Brock Purdy was criticized for three interceptions—“Purdy did not look good tonight. 23 of 32, 193, one touchdown, three interceptions. That. That. That was just awful.” — Chad Johnson (Ocho) [13:28]
  • The Panthers’ offense looked disorganized. Shannon called out Bryce Young's mental errors and receiver miscommunications.

• Receivers vs. Elite Cornerbacks:

  • Detailed breakdowns on route running, receiver techniques, and how elite DBs like J.C. Horn punish sloppy execution.
  • “All them tricks work on your average corners. But when you go against the best—the JC Horns, the Patrick Surtains, the Denzel Wards—you not pulling that off.” — Shannon Sharpe [12:35]

• Game Sloppiness:

  • Five total turnovers. Panthers could only net three points off turnovers.
  • “You gotta get something more than... let’s just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, you only going to get three out of each one. Okay, that’s nine points. But you gotta come away from three turnovers with more than three points.” — Shannon [14:41]

• Random Moment:

  • End-game altercation: Jennings and a DB scuffle leading to a likely fine, with Ocho and Shannon’s unscripted reactions providing comedic relief [17:43–18:30].

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2. Shedeur Sanders Announced as Browns Starting QB1

[22:56–33:43]

• Official Announcement:

  • Coach Kevin Stefanski named Shedeur the starter, shifting the narrative for Cleveland after an extended period of instability at QB.
  • The hosts emphasize the constant QB shuffle in Cleveland, noting the Browns have had 42 starting QBs since 1999. “They’ve had damn near as many starting quarterbacks as we had US presidents.” — Chad Johnson [24:46]

• Shedeur’s Skillset and Potential:

  • Both agree Shedeur is a traditional dropback passer—more in the mold of Tom Brady, Byron Leftwich, or Warren Moon—not a dual threat like Lamar Jackson.
  • “He doesn’t have the athleticism that a lot of these modern quarterbacks have today. He’s a prototypical drop back quarterback. He’s Byron Leftwich...” — Ocho [31:25]
  • The importance of giving Cleveland fans “hope,” even if “expectation” comes later, is highlighted.
  • “Right Now, Shedeur gives them hope. Hopefully, as he improves and gets better and better, he'll give them an expectation of winning.” — Shannon [26:06]

• Electric Browns Defense:

  • Big praise for Myles Garrett, calling for an ‘obliteration’ of the sack record: “I want him to blow it away. I want him to get 25, 26 [sacks]... break the record, put this thing to bed.” — Ocho [28:08]

• QB Room Politics:

  • The hosts speculate Stefanski’s “hands are tied” given the pressure from fans, owners, and players to see a new direction in the QB room.
  • “This is what they want. So I think Stefanski... has to make it at this point, especially with the way they're going.” — Shannon [25:19]

• Fun tangent on Alaskan darkness and personal anecdotes on adapting to extreme environments [34:13–38:55]—highlighting the natural, unfiltered chemistry between the hosts.

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3. Antonio Pierce: Raiders Wanted Shedeur, Not a 5th-Rounder

[51:03–56:14]

• AP’s Revelation:

  • Quotes Antonio Pierce’s claim that if he’d stayed as Raiders head coach, Shedeur Sanders would not have lasted to the fifth round in the draft.
  • “He was born to play football. He was one of our top choices... If I had stayed there, there’s no way he goes in the fifth round.” — Read by Ocho [51:19]

• Hosts React:

  • Shannon believes Pierce; says Shedeur fell due to behind-the-scenes NFL politics, but it "wasn’t given to him" so his success will be “earned.”
  • They point out how coaching changes and front office preferences (e.g., Pete Carroll with Geno Smith) impact QB prospects’ fates.
  • “It’s hard for me to believe Shador is a fifth round pick based on what he’s done just those two years.” — Ocho [55:00]

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4. Ja’Marr Chase’s Apology: Is It Sincere?

[56:56–65:27]

• Incident Recap:

  • Chase issued a public apology for spitting on Steelers DB Jalen Ramsey (though mistakenly referred to as Jalen "Ramp" during the segment).
  • Full text of the apology is read aloud.

• Sincerity & Locker Room Culture:

  • Shannon and Ocho debate whether Chase should have directly named Ramsey in his public apology.
  • “It’s hard, Ocho, when you do it like that. It’s hard because the person that you disrespected the most, you didn’t mention him publicly.” — Ocho [59:44]
  • Shannon claims NFL players care more about direct, private apologies: “Bro, hit my line. He apologized. We squashing it. I’ma see you when we play again. Case closed.” — Shannon [63:02]
  • Ocho: “I just think for me, an apology... I gotta at least, at least apologize to the party that I offended.” [62:51]
  • Shannon responds, “Players ain’t worried about no public apology, man.” [63:02]

• On Change and Authenticity:

  • Both agree authenticity and consistent effort matter more than the mode of apology.
  • “Change behavior is the greatest apology.” — Ocho [60:46]
  • Shannon: “Do not lose the edge that makes you you... You made a mistake. You apologize for it... But don’t lose what makes you special.” [61:04]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Browns’ revolving QB door:
  Chad Johnson: “They’ve had 42 starting quarterbacks since ‘99. So that’s crazy... damn near as many QBs as we’ve had US presidents.” [24:52]

• On route running for elite DBs:
  Shannon Sharpe: “All them tricks...work on your average corners. But when you go against the best, you — JC Horns, Patrick Surtains, Denzel Wards — you not pulling that off.” [12:35]

• On public apology etiquette:
  Ocho: “It’s hard, Ocho, when you [apologize] like that. It’s hard because the person that you disrespected the most, you didn’t mention him publicly.” [59:44]

• On hope vs. expectation at QB:
  Shannon Sharpe: “Right now, Shedeur gives them hope. Hopefully as he improves... he’ll give them an expectation of winning.” [26:06]

• Locker Room Politics:
  Shannon: “This is what they want. So I think Stefanski... has to make it at this point, especially with the way they're going.” [25:19]

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Segment Timestamps

• 49ers-Panthers Recap & McCaffrey’s Revenge: [03:20–18:30]
• Shedeur Sanders Becomes Browns QB1: [22:56–33:43]
• Antonio Pierce/Shedeur Draft Fall Drama: [51:03–56:14]
• Ja’Marr Chase’s Apology Debate: [56:56–65:27]

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Overall Tone & Style

The conversation is energetic, authentic, and playful, featuring sharp technical analysis, personal stories, and a back-and-forth that oscillates between brotherly teasing and deep football insight.

This episode delivers value whether you’re invested in NFL X’s and O’s, the culture of football, or just want to hear legends speak their truth about the issues and controversies that matter to fans right now.

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So he's on pace Ocho to do something that only he, Roger Craig and Marshall Falcons ever done rush and receive 4,000 yards in a single season. Yeah, all those guys did. They, those guys did it once. If McCaffrey stays on the pace that he's on, he'll do it for the second time. So something very, very special, something Bears watching. Oh, here's the 49ers schedule at Browns, Titans at home. At Colts, Bears, Seahawks at home. Yeah, so they got, they got a pretty nice schedule. They got what, what is that? 1222. So that's a Monday night. They got the Colts on Monday night Football and then they follow that up NBC a 520 game. So that's a, that's a Sunday night game. So. But this game, Ocho, ooh, Purdy was pretty awful.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, not only was pretty awful though, he threw interception in the first half. J.C. horn played out his goddamn mind. The defense played out the goddamn mind. And the Panthers offense, it failed us tonight. Huh? The Panthers offense failed us tonight. I'm not sure what was wrong with Bryce Young and T. McMillan and some of the receiving Jimmy Horn, but they were off their communication this far into the season. You shouldn't be having mental errors like that or, or, or mistakes, mistakes like that, especially in the passing game because he's throwing the players that are running one route and the players are going a completely different way.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah, so.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So a lot of players were miss down on the goal line. Bryce, there was no need to throw that ball, but you got, you got nothing but green grass in front of you.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

But oo, even if he throw. The thing is, you know when you roll out oo, you cut half the field off. So now they flowing. They know first of all down there, oo, you're not going to throw it all the way back pylon you rolling to your right. You've got to release that ball. You don't have to take a full roll because the further you roll, the, the field get condensed. More and more condensed. That's why the guy, the front side was able to fall off because you brought the bright side tight end to him. You got to throw that ball earlier.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, right.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

You going to run out of real estate.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He didn't, he didn't Even have to throw the ball at all.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Oh, you wanted to go ahead and run it in, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nothing but green grass in front of him. Nothing but green grass in front of him. Obviously his. His eyes were locked in on. On the receiver, you know, in the back of the end zone. Outside of that. It. This isn't. This isn't. This wasn't Panther football tonight. This is not. This is not the. This is not the Carolina Panthers that we've. We've been watching that have won the last five of. Their Last five of this last seven games. They lost one tonight, but it wasn't good. The defense did what they needed to do. Offense, offense, left, left a lot of points, a lot of plays out there on the field.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah, I. I thought. I thought Carolina got away from the running game a little bit too early. They didn't have the ball a whole lot. What? Looked like they had the ball. 42 total plays. That's not a whole lot. But when you look at it, Ocho, I. I think the thing is, is that. Let's. Let's. Let's talk to 49ers first.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Jennings, when you run. When you run that. That over route, if you gain ground, you're going to allow that cornerback to jet it or undercut you and you. And that's what he did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The dig route. The dig route, yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Ocho, you can't. You can't run that. No, if you run that route like that, if you gain ground, he gonna jump right up under you.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Especially somebody like J.C. horn.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

J.C. horn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Someone that. That. That is as sound as him. He has good eyes, good discipline, and he. He gonna play. He gonna. He gonna. He gonna stay on. He's gonna stay on your inside hip every time.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He rounded about damn near 4, 4, 5 yards.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I'm like, you gotta keep. You gotta keep. Because once I got him there, Ocho, I gotta keep him on my hip.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Because if I let him up underneath on that square. Square end. Yeah, that's what it's called. Square. It's a square. Square out square. So on that square. No, Joe, I got to keep him on my hip, because if I give him. If I give him any leeway, he's gonna undercut it, or he might grab me and slingshot himself, grab me by my waist, pull himself forward, and now he right there up underneath the throat.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you know what? Another thing that a lot of receivers need to get out of doing, too top of them routes, they doing. Doing all that wiggle. They. They do that wiggle instead of just getting it. Getting up to your point and just snapping that thing off. When you play against a good corner, I'm talking about the good ones. And when you do that wiggle, all they do is they stop their feet. So if they stopping their feet and.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

You sitting there wiggling, he gonna drive on it. Let me ask you a question, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't do that with the good dbs.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Let me ask you a question. You run a goalball like that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

So you get to the. You get the 10 yards, and now you. All of a sudden you're doing this on the go ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, Everything.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

It's gotta. It's gotta look the same every time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everything got to be. Even if you don't run full speed, give the illusion. Give the illusion that you are running full speed. Get the way you got to and snap that thing of all them tricks and all that. It works on your average corners. But when you go against the best, the better DBs, the JC horns, you know, the pass attained, the Denzel Awards.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

You not pulling that off, they're gonna jet that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Any indication you give them, they stopping their feet and driving.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yes, because that's the indicator you get. I mean, you know, you. You're taught to give an indicator to your quarterback, but you're also giving an indicator to your. To the DB also. Yeah. McMillan. There's a reason why we tell you to keep your arms tight. You see how he got his arms out? What that DB do? Ocho put tugging where he would have been, right. He hit 27 right in the chest. That's why they tell you to keep your arms tight, because they grabbing anything. Go, Joe. Yeah. Always.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Always.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

They gonna grab.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And they're not gonna call every goddamn time.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

They're not gonna call it. They're not gonna call it. But this was a really sloppy game. I was surprised how sloppy the game was. Purdy did not look good tonight. 23 of 32, 193, one touchdown, three interceptions. That. That. That was just awful. That was just awful. His defense bailed him out because they got. Bryce Young comes right back and gives it right back to him. They got. Look, Carolina really has very small margin for error.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Because they're such a young team and they're not. They don't. They don't have top five talent at any position on the offensive side of the football. Okay? So with that being said, you can't do what they did tonight. You can't turn that ball over like that on the road.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, you can't. You can't Especially now with the way the defense was playing. You can't keep putting the defense out there on the field, putting them in harm's way. Obviously, when they. They're getting. Stops you getting the ball. You had turn them. They got three points off of three turnovers. They got three points off of 3 turnovers. You got.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

You got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got to. You got to get more than that because they give you the ball back and give you the opportunity to not put the game away, but at least extend the lead enough, have a chance.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

On the back end, and they give you. And give you short fields.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Very short.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah, you got to get something. You got to get something more than. Okay, let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, you only going to get three out of each one. Okay, that's nine points. But you got to come away of three turnovers. You got to come away with more than three points. Something you. You. You got to. It'll be nice if you cash one of the. One of those guys in for tud. But three points and. And like I said, I. I just didn't. I. I thought they ran. I don't think they ran the ball enough. Yeah, I mean, you got Dowdle back there. You got Chuba Hubbard. Run the football. Yeah. And I know you're probably thinking about. Well, you know, they don't have those pass rushers. They don't have Bosa. You know, Warner's not in. There's some things that we can take advantage of. They don't have the most outstanding corners. Run the football. Yeah, run the football. That is your. That is your friend. When you're on the road, you need to run the football. But the 49ers. Look, the 49ers keep their. They got to stay attached to the Rams and the Seahawks 8 and 4 right now. So with this win, they leap. They leap over Detroit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

For the seventh seed, not Detroit falls back to the eight seed. But they haven't had their buy yet. I think Detroit's had their buy. Haven't Detroit have their buy? Because Detroit 7 and 4. So that means they had to buy already because the 49ers haven't had their. That's why they're 12. Yeah, They like. We might as well go ahead and run this thing all the way through. But. Yeah, it was. It was. It was a sloppy game, Mocho. I expected the 49ers to play a lot. Would be a lot crisper than what they were. Hell, I thought Bryce Young, considering what he had, came what he had done. I mean, what, that. Four. Four. Who's that against? The Falcons? Yeah. Four Falcons. Yeah, they were.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They were down 14 and came back.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah. So he had. He had started to play really well. I really like McMillan's game. McMillan is really good. He can really, really play Ocho, and he's only going to get better. He's doing this in his rookie season, so I can just imagine in two, three years, what he's going to be. Like, hell, he might. Who knows? He might even take a leap like JSN did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Now, I'm not saying. Look, that. That's. I'm not saying that's going to happen, but he's on pace to have over 2,000 yards on 125 catches, so he's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

He's doing. He's. And he's in that zone right now. I just wanted once. You. Because. Oh. You know, when you got a special season going.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Everything just seems to go your way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everything.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Every deep ball, a carom you catching. Everything just. Just. Is just Zen. It's just perfect.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Whatever. McCaffrey. Oh. Oh, that's why they was fighting, huh, at the end of the game. Oh, okay. Oh. Oh, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What happened?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Oh, Jennings. That's why they was fighting at the end of the game. But DB punched him in the. The foul pole.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I missed that. I missed that.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah. Yeah. That's what. That's why at the end of the game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I was. I was setting it up.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Oh, that's gonna cost him. That's gonna cost him a fine. I mean, that's gonna probably cost him like, 25, 50,000. Well, hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What kind of fight we talk about like a. Like a little shovel?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Well, he put. Jennings was blocking him, and he Bow. Okay, so at the end of the game, they got into a little tussle, but, you know, they got cameras, so they see all that. The refs might have not caught it, but them 22 cameras they got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they called it. They're gonna see it.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So don't even. Don't even. Hey, save your time. Don't. Hey, that Tuesday that you was gonna call in to appeal that. Oh, yeah, go golfing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The only waste of time.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah, yeah, go golfing. Because it ain't gonna help, but. Yeah, this was. This was a game I thought would be a little better. It wasn't clean. I mean, what you get 5 turn 5 total turnovers. Sloppy game. Sloppy game, but the 49ers win. Move to 8 and 4, Carolina 6 and 6. Carol, San Fran 20, Carolina 9 let's get to something that's a little bit more interesting. Speaking of the Niners, Ocho Shador Sanders was officially named the starter next week against the San Francisco 49er. Here's Kevin Stefanski making the announcement earlier today.

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[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Shedor will start this week. Obviously, you know, number one job of quarterback is to win. So excited to get that first win under his belt and then next thing is improvement. And that's what young players do. Certainly young quarterbacks do. You get one game better and that's just from from working at it. So that'll be our focus.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, I like. Listen, I like it. I like it. Obviously there's a lot of room for improvement. Based on his first game there, there, there were some things that he did well. There were some things that he didn't do well. But obviously the most important thing is he won. He won the game. But based on what we did see in the potential that he will and can have is is the promise. The promise that he can change the dynamic of that offense. Obviously being able to throw short and intermediate balls, being able to check check the ball down as well, but being able to have the deep ball as a weapon. Yeah, as A weapon just. Just to. Just to keep defenses honest. So I. I think that's. That's a great thing. He's going to have a full week of work with the ones, which is different for him now, and he can only improve. He can only get better from this point on going forward. So I'm excited for him. I'm excited for the Browns organization. I'm excited for the Browns fans, you know, because he. I mean, Shador gives him hope. I'm not saying Dylan Gabriel didn't. I'm not saying Joe Flacco didn't, but I think he just gives him hope, and it's something that everybody wanted to see, including the players that are inside that locker room and including the fans.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I don't think he had a choice in this situation. You got to realize, Ocho, they had lost their last 11 games on the road. They hadn't had a starter to win a winner, a start. In 17. 17 different quarterbacks, they've had 42 different quarterbacks. They've had damn near as many starting quarterbacks as we had US presidents. And you got to go back down to 250 years. Hell, we've only had 47 presidents, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you're right.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

They've had 42 starting quarterbacks since 99.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So that's crazy.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

26 years versus damn near 2 cents over two centuries. I don't really know if they had a choice. I don't know. Look, I don't know if it was Andrew Barry, if it was Jimmy and D. Haslam, I don't know if it was Stefanski, but he show sung a different tune today compared to what last night and what he's been singing all the way up until this. This is a different harmony to hear. I ain't never heard. I ain't never heard him sing like this before. I mean, this must be auto tunes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen, you got to do what you got to do. And I think, honestly, honestly, I think that locker room, I think they would arrive. I think the fans. The fans would ride because enough is enough. I think that the fans are fed up. I think the people inside the organization are fed up. I think the players inside the locker room, this is what. What they want. So I think Stefansky kind of have. Kind of have his hands maybe tied behind his back despite this, might not be wanting the decision that he wants to make, but he has no choice but to make it at this point, especially with the way they're going. So I'm hoping for the best for Stefanski. That organization And Shador.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

All I know is I. I've never seen Miles Garrett with this happy earlier in the season. Give me hope.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I think the thing is, is that, look, obviously when you got a great quarterback, you got the Brady's, the Mannings, you got the Stafford, you have a. You. You don't hope. You expect. There's an. Expect. There's a difference between hoping to win and expecting to win win. Right, Right. Now, Shador gives them hope. Hopefully as he improves and gets better and better, he'll give them an expectation of winning. Now, some quarterbacks you like? Well, look here, if the defense can hold him to under 17, if we can get a big play here or there, if we get a strip sack, if we can get a punt return touchdown, we get a scoop and score all those. Now, it's hard to consistently win when so many things have to come into play for you to win. Yeah, Shador gives them hope. That's what he gives them. I think the guys believe that they can win the game with him playing at quarterback. And it's not like he. I mean, it would be great if he. If he had to score 35, but it's going to be hard for me to see a defense of offense getting 35 on that defense. Now, it's gonna be a great matchup because Trent Williams going against Miles Garrett.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, that's. That's gonna be nice.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

That's gonna be a. Now Trent's coming off of me. He's coming off a major injury after last year. He's. And watching him, he's not his same dominant self. He's gonna have to be on his best behavior because my. Have we talked about. JSN is in that zone.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

You hear players talk about baseball players. They're in the zone and everything slows down and the ball looks so big. Basketball players, the hoop looks so big.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Miles Garrett is in the zone.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And listen, I. I don't. I don't think anything gonna stop him from getting that record. Huh? I don't think anything gonna stop him.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I want him to blow. I don't want. I don't want him to get 23. I want him to blow it away. I want him to get 25, 26. I would. I want him to break the record that we. When they think about it like, damn, this man got 26 sacks.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, that's crazy.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

In a season.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's crazy.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

That's what I want. That's what. That's what. That's what I want. See, you Say Bo didn't break the record by a little bit. He put it at 9, 5, 8.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. Hey, it's gonna be. I don't. I don't think anybody gonna ever catch.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

No, I don't think so either. Not in our lifetime.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, absolutely not.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Unless he got a hurricane blowing behind him. That's the only way somebody gonna. It's like Flojo's record.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What was flojo record in 100 again?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

1049.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that's faster than some men.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah, and she did that in 88.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's crazy.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I mean, she obliterated. Obliterated the record. I think Evelyn Ashford. Evelyn Ashford had the record at 1076. I think she. I mean, come on, right? It's like Usain. Usain took the record from a. Safa Powell from 975 to 972, and they went 972 to 969, and then he goes 9, 5, 8.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, hold on. 958 and celebrating before you even cross the goddamn.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

No, that was. No, that. That was the 969 that he did at the Beijing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I still believe. Had he ran through that. That's something that we never going to see. You have to be on the back of a thoroughbred to beat that time. But it was special. And that's what I want Miles Garrett to do. I want Miles Garrett to obliterate this record. Because, you know, Gastono. You know Gastono was complaining about it. People didn't like him. I don't really know enough about him. That was before my time. He was a part of the New York Slack exchange. It was him, Dan Cleco, Marty Lyons, and Abdul Salam, rest his soul, and. And Mark Gaston, they would call themselves the New York Sack Exchange. And then Strahan got it, and they said, well, Brett Favre gave him that sack. So everybody was being. And moaning about that. T.J. watt tied the record at 22 and a half. So Miles Garrett, come on and get you about 25, 26, and put this thing to bed. And then, hey, you can kick your heels up because, hey, get 26, because he's on. I mean, 13 sacks in the last four games.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, he's on. He's on a crazy pace right now, like you said.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah, he had a five sack again. He had a five sack, a nine.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A four, five, a three, and a three. Yeah, yeah, but.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah, look, I don't think Stefanski really had a choice. I think being going on the road and Winning for the first time and God knows how long. Playing, playing as well as he did. That didn't have 300. He didn't need 300 yards. He needed to play well. He needed to show that he could lead an offense. He needed to show that he could push the ball down the field. He need to have command and, and give those other 50 guys hope and a belief that we can win with him under center. I think he answered. I think he checked all the boxes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

If there's some things he can improve on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, of course.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

And I believe he will.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, of course.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I mean, but based on what we had seen earlier in this season, I mean, he ain't looking to just check the ball down. Yeah, check the ball down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Check the ball down.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

He's looking to push the ball down the field.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, the check down, that's your last resort. Yes, last resort. Obviously what I do like from Shador and watching him, not in, just in college, but actually watching when he gets his opportunity to play, he did in the preseason, is he will get back there and go through his progression. He will go through his progression. Obviously he's not a dual threat, so therefore he has to be better at everything else when it comes to playing the quarterback position.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yes, correct. Yeah, he's not a dual threat. He's a draw. He's a, he's a Tom. Brad, look, Ocho and I, we're not saying he's Tom Brady, but he's in that mold because he doesn't have the athleticism that a lot of these modern quarterbacks have today. He's a prototypical drop back quarterback. He's Byron Leftwich as part of the. Because normally we think we look at somebody look like us. Oh, man, that's Lamar. No, he not. Nope, nope, nope. He not Lamar.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nope.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

So that ain't what he is. He's an old school drop. He's Warren Moon.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

That's what he is. Not Randall Cunningham, not Mike Vick, not Lamar Jackson, not a Justin Fields, not Cam Newton. He's not Josh. He doesn't have that athleticism. He's a prototypical drop back quarterback. Can process information and get the ball out of his hands.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah. Would I like to see him take less sacks? Yes. Would I like to see him not bubble as much and give up ground? Yes. But that's going to come with time and I'm sure the coaches are going to pound that into his head. Son, we don't have to make every play. Sometimes we got to see the next day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Let's not move out of field goal range. Let's make. Let's make sure we stayed in third and manageable. It's hard to pick up third and 18. You might get one of those a game, but you're not going to consistently make a living picking up that kind of down and distance. But I, I expect him to play. I expect him to improve on what he did on Sunday, although he's stepping up in competition.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, absolutely. And listen, hell, I was wrong. I was wrong. Well, I was definitely wrong because I was. I was loud. I was loud yesterday because I really thought obviously once Dylan Gabriel clear concussion protocol, I definitely thought they were going back to him. You know, I was loud and wrong and I, I was only loud and wrong simply because I understood how they played game. I understood what it is they really wanted, whether it was the owner that has them, whether it was Stefanski. I. I saw the games that were being played, you know, so I thought, you know, hell, when. When, when buddy. When he click concussion protocol, ain't no way in hell they f to allow Shador to start the following game. But here they. They. They proved me wrong. Yeah, they definitely proved me wrong. So, I mean, I'm, I'm happy for him. I'm, I'm. Listen, I'm excited. I'm excited. I know one. I'm, I'm. I know one thing. I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be tuned in.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I'm be tuned in. I think everybody's gonna be tuned in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I think o. Based on the way he played yesterday and considering they hadn't won a roll game in 11. I mean, so it's been so long a starting quarterbacks first start with the Browns hadn't won 17 up, 17 down. Nothing. 42 different starting quarterbacks since 99. So you can understand that. Any ray of light. I mean, it's. I guess it's like, you know, if you live in a cold weather climate. Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

The first time sign of sun, I'm wearing shorts of the tank top.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

And then next day, you know, hey, I ain't seen it. What is that barrel? Alaska. The sun just set and it won't come out again until January 22nd of 2026.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's real.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, wait a minute.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It helped me. Help me explain. Help me understand something real quick. For anybody that lives in Alaska. Chat. Y' all can help me out now. Now, do. Do people willingly live in the area?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Where you get light six months and you get dark six months. I mean, what's. What's the gist? What's the catch? What's the catch of actually living in that?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah, some of them born there. What, you mean the kid? The same people say. Yeah, some people. Some people are born there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You dead serious?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah, for sure. I mean, some. Yeah, sometimes they have daylight for 24 hours.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey. But, hey, we might need to take a little treat.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

No, we don't need to do that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't think so?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn. 24 hours, nothing but daylight. I like that. I like that.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I'm trying to think. I went to. Was it Ottawa? I'm trying to figure out what Canada.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

For. For a Canadian football game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

You know, I was. I was, you know, I was walking out at halftime. I flipped, you know, flipped the coin, did something.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ottawa red, Blacks.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Nah, they were green. Winnipeg. That's what it was. Winnipeg.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Winnipeg ain't green. Saskatchewan green.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I would. Well, maybe I went to Saskatchewan, Chad. Where did I go? Supposed to know I went somewhere, but anyway, I don't think the sun went down today. Up to 4 o' clock in the morning, I ain't sleep because I wait for the sun to go down and I still see the sun. No joke.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Four o' clock in the morning, that's crazy work. That's crazy.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah, but it. I mean, I could. I couldn't. I mean, it's hard to say I couldn't, but it takes. Get some used to, Ocho. Cause we used to. Sun come up, sun go down, your body is on the clock. But just imagine, you get darkness for two months. Ain't no sunlight. It's. It's noon. High noon. And it's midnight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, hey, I. I don't wanna.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I. Listen, honestly, that's why I better. By the way, the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Saskatchewan, it was Saskatchewan?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah, I think so.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't understand how that's possible.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah, I think that's where I went. Yeah. I'll put my name in there and see if I went to Saskatchewan.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Uncle.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Who you know over there in Canada?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who you know over there in Canada? Saskatchewan. That's kind of.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Those that know, won't tell. Those that tell, won't know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay. I'm just. I don't mean to be in your business, but. Okay, my bad. Yeah, my bad.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

No, I. I just. I mean, I would like to go to Alaska, look around, you know, go fishing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Fishing? Boy, they got killer whales out there, man. We can go out there.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Well, I don't give a damn about no killer whale. What? I want to go fishing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't nobody trying to fish, man. I'm trying to get.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Man, don't you want to catch them big old salmon?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah, but I wanna. We could put on the wetsuit and we can get in the water with the killer whales, with the orcas.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

No, I don't like being in the water.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I don't take nothing. Showers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't. Hey, you can't swim, huh?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Oh, I can swim. Yeah, I can swim.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, you can't.

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[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can't get in that water, man. It's okay. Ain't nobody. You ain't got to be shame.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I ain't ashamed. I could go anywhere you go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, no, you can't. No. You know.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Go anywhere you go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't. I could free dive. I could be on the water damn near four, five minutes. You cannot do the things I do. I don't need no snorkel. I don't need no tank. That's what I do.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I don't. Been swimming a couple of times. There you go. There you go. See, I'm trying to tell you. I'm talking about. I've been swimming in the ocean and. And you. There you go. There he go, champ. N. I'm done. I'm done. I. I said, Lord, if you help me. If you help me get out of Glenville, Georgia, I ain't going to be in no tub no more. No bathtub, no foot tub, no wife tub. I'm done with the tubs. I ain't took. I ain't took. I ain't took. I ain't took a bath in, I don't know, 30 plus years. 40 years. Yeah. See, since I got. I put it like this here. Since I got. Since I left. Since I left my gr. Well, I got a big garden tub and it got a. It got the. The flower. The potty plant that I got is big.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

It's a morning lily. Got my. Got my. My grandmother flower in there. But I don't take no bad. Like I said, if I were to take a bath. Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Man, that tub, that ring a little like Saturn. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, see you.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't know what you're missing. You don't know.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I do know what I'm missing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, let me. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. I'm gonna give you a small example, right? I want with me chat, okay?

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, listen, hot water. You running hot water in the tub, right?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it's quiet. Get you some candles. You got some candles?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

If the bathroom light, is it dim?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it's dim. It's them. So get you. Hey, get you. Get you by four candles, right? Put your four candles in the. Folded in the four corners of the tub, okay? You light them up real quick.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get you some music.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

So that's the only light. The only light is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The only light is the candles. Get you some music. Put the OJs on. Put the oceans.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell, Melbourne in the blue notes. You know, something like that. Look, Frankie.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Had a music playing. Get you some. Get you some disc detergent. Get you some disc detergent.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

What the hell you getting disc detergent for? I ain't watching no dishes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, for the bubbles. For the bubbles, man.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Man, get bubble bath. But come on, tell the story. Come on. Come on now. Well, let me get some dawn then, because I'm need something to cut through this dirt on my black ass.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get you. Hey, get you some dawn. Have your Music playing. A long night. Think about it. We on Nightcap 2 hours and 30 minutes. You want to relax. You want to relax. You want a mental reset now? You want to take it all in, soak it all in and prepare yourself to get ready for the next day. Get you a nice book. Get you a nice book, man. Get in there getting that. Get in that water, man. Boy, you good and sit back and relax for a man about a good hour. Two hours, man, you.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

You straight, man. I thought you had something. I thought you had something else for me playing. You talking about getting the. Oh, I would do all that. Man, I wish I might get in bathtub the. With some candlelight and some dish detergent and a damn book. Oh, what the hell is this? Oh, you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You thought. Oh, well, listen, the. The lady that's. That's on you, that you. You can have her, but I don't want. You don't need nobody to disrupt your peace. This is. This is. This is a moment of peace right now. Most of the time when you allow somebody in your space, at times, it disrupts your peace. Now, if you want your peace to be disturbed, you could bring a woman with you.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Man, just joke. Will be talking about take a bath with dish detergent, man, I'll be scratching all day tomorrow. Hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't make a bubble bath with dawn. That's what I.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

No, I make a bubble bath with bubble bath.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boy, you know how much bubble bath costs when you can use the goddamn dawn Right out there.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

That's what I. Hey, I tell you what you can do. I tell you make some good old. So make some good soap. Make some good bubbles or the Ivory soap. I know you ain't tuck a bath with Ivory soap in a long time. I used to be the cheapest soap you could get. That's all we took a bath with. We ain't have no. No. No zest or no Irish Spring or any dope dub. None of that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Good old Ivory soap. It was the only soap that float.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you don't sell that.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Put in the foot tub and it'd be floating, right? Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So they still sell. They don't sell Ivory soap no more.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah, they sell Ivory soap.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, they don't, huh?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah, they do. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't never. I ain't never heard no Ivory. I heard a dove.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Chad, y' all better tell them about Ivory soap. Nobody, man. Ain't nobody have no. Ain't nobody have no money to buy no zest to buy no what's that other green soap? Dial. Dial D. Ain't nobody had no money to buy that. Irish. Irish Spring. I remember when that guy was saying whistling. Yeah, man, I was whistling cuz I hated taking a bath. My grandma used to tell me all the time, boy, I believe you got gold in you. Hell, no. Hey, hey. Oh, hey. I throw the water up in there and run up under. I'm done. That was a shower for your boy. Hey, my brother. Tell him, Granny. That boy. That boy ain't take no bath. Get your blickers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, hey. How come when you was. When you was a shorty, man, you never wanted to get in the. You never wanted to take a shower? Oh, man, I don't know what that was. And that. That's for all kids. That's for all.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Including.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Including now, even. Even with mine. Man. Come on, y'.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

All. Y' all go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all go get together, right, man, Two minutes, they come right back. Wait a minute.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

You took a shower that fast?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, you didn't. Come here. Let me see behind your ears.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Oh, bad. Look here, girl.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go get. Go get in the shower.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Please, man. Anybody want to take no bath? Cuz I scrubbed, I scrub. Hey, come and watch my back. I go one stroke, they said, no, I'm good because I struggle. You don't joke. Because if you ain't get it right. Hey, you got to take that. So you got to take that rag and go around that wrist.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Oh, yeah. Like that right there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Gotta go behind them ears.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Hey, hey. Grandma taught me about the mirrors.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Boy, get your. Get your ass back in the door.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell, no.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

There was a day, though. But, yeah, they got that after the I resolve. Hey, Chat know about the Ivory soap?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I. I ain't never heard of that.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

No, I don't took up. I don't. Took a bath with some Tide or some stuff like that. Now, tired.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You talk about washing detergent.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What the hell you get tired from?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

We had to wash clothes. We had a clothesline and everything. So we had one. Oh, look, we had one before we. Before we. You know, we got in the summer, me and my brother was working and stuff. Pulled the money together. We had that washer that was on the back, so it had the tub in the bottom, and then you pull the clothes through, right, to wring them out. See, we had a washing machine like that. And we had a clothesline.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, okay, I know about the clothesline. We had a clothesline when I used to be a Monty house and had to wash clothes. And the Scott projects. Yeah. Auntie, Auntie, auntie Peaches and Ms. Lisa, while you wash your clothes, you hang them out down the line, you go play.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah, but see, right, see, we had to put. We had to put granny underwear on the fence because she ain't want nobody to ride by and see him. So we had to put them. Man, don't laugh, Ocho. We had. We had to put granny. We had to put granny underwear on the fence.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

And you know, hey, that's another. That's another story, you know, Think about me, Spanky, Granny, Papa Libby, Gladys, Jane, Sherman. All them got clothes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

So can you imagine? Man, we had to have sticks up there to hold a clothesline because it would. Wait. The clothesline, you know, clothes on the ground.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right now, you got to wash all over again.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Gotta wash them all over again. But the old days, I remember, they have. We have to. Had to boil water and you watch them in a big old. I want to tell y', all, y', all, that was back in the 80s. Wash them in that big ass pot. If you. If you my age or older, you know exactly what I'm talking about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I. I bet you. I bet you. I bet your grandma. I'm going tell you what my grandma had me do. I bet you ain't had to do this, though.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

What? That.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My white socks.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If I get caught walking with my white socks outside, knowing I ain't supposed to be outside with them. My grandma had a little washboard, you know, the little washboard. Yeah, man, I had to. I had to get them socks, man, and rub. And rub the black out on the washboard.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Then. Yeah, but, yeah, the washboard. The wood with the, with the, with the text.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. It looked like you could peel tomatoes with it.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Ocho. You couldn't walk around it. Forget outside when you came home, you had to take your suit, you had to take your socks off. You had school clothes, you had play clothes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Play clothes.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Oh, yeah, I had the same.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

So, yeah, you came home, you got out of your school clothes. Yeah. And got in your play clothes. Well, and then I was. I was. I was a Barefoot King, man. Now, my brother, he ain't never go barefoot. Now. I don't walk around. I get up and go to the bathroom in the middle of the night. I put on Crocs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You put on shoes.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah. I can't walk around barefoot. I can't do it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm some good days, but, hell, if.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I go to the beach, I'm going have on me some crocs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The beach. No, but the beach.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

You got to go barefooted at the beach in the sand. Yeah. Oh, no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. You can't. Hey, how you going to move? How you going to walk with crocs on in the sand?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Oh, that's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's like. That's a. That's a work. That's a workout in itself.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Oh, okay. Tell me. Let me know, Ocho. Let me know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. But, man.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Antonio Pierce says had he not been fired, he and ownership were in sync and wanted to draft Shador Sanders. He said Shadow wouldn't have fallen to the fifth round. He said Shadow was born to play football. He was one of our top choices. Mark Davis was on board. We believed in what we saw. He was born for this. If I would have stayed there, there's no way he goes in the fifth round. Ocho, what is your reaction to AP saying that had he stayed there, he and Mark Davis was in lock and step to take Shador, and there's no way he goes in the fifth round?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, that's dope, obviously, coming from Antonio Pierce. That's coming from someone with credibility, Someone that's been not only played the game, but coaching the game for a very long time. So he would have inside source in knowing exactly not only what happened when it comes to the collusion of him falling to the fifth round, but understand that if he was still the coach of the Oakland Raiders, excuse me, of the Las Vegas Raiders, he would have been the pick they would have taken because he wasn't a 5th round pick based on Woody showed in college.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Correct.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I. I believe him, honestly, because he wouldn't just come out here and make up a story like that, you know? You know, pull it out his ass. So, I mean, it's dope. It's just unfortunate that wasn't the case. And he got to get it the hard way. He got to get it out the mud. It wasn't given to him. So when he does reach that status and get that respect that he deserves, it will be earned. It won't be given.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Well, I think the thing is, look, when. When, When. When Pete Carroll came in there. Pete. Pete Carroll was very familiar with who.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Geno Smith.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Geno Smith in Seattle, of course.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

So he says, okay, I want Geno. And you know, that happens a lot of time. Normally when the head coach comes, he want his guys, general manager want their guy. Yeah. So Mark Davis allowed him to get. Mark Davis didn't want to fire John Gruden. NFL didn't really Give him. No. Didn't really give him a whole lot of choice in the matter, but so now they've kind of been on the tailspin ever since. Yeah, it's. It's ap. Seems to think they're. They're. There's powers at play. That had more to do with this than.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know. You know, that. You know, I'm not here. I'm not here to speak on that, but we on there. There's certain buttons that. That are pushed. And no matter who you are. Okay, this is what it's going to be. All y' all get in line, or it's going to be a problem.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean it. That's way above our pay grade. I'm talking about way above.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That you would never. We would never allow anyone. No matter how big they may seem or may think they are, Nobody is bigger than our program. Never that. And we gonna show you we can. We still control. Never mind. You. You know what I'm talking.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah, I. I mean, I was surpr. I was surprised that given Brady. Brady had worked with Shador. Look, at the end of the day, this is a business. We understand that. Friends is friends. We can set side. We can set things aside. O. Yeah, friends is friend. Business is business. But I was surprised that given that he had worked with Shador on numerous occasions before when Shador always like, hey, when he did, you know, this is Brady time. This is the time that, you know, you go win plays and you. I mean, go make plays and you win games. I was surprised, considering that they needed a quarterback. Let's just say for the sake of argument, you get Geno. Is Gino really the guy that you. That you think you're going to keep at quarterback for 10 years? Ocho. No, he's not Gino. I was happy for Gino that he got the opportunity to revive his career in Seattle, end up going to the Pro bowl, put up some big numbers. Gino played well because it just didn't work out for him with the jets, for whatever reason. And sometimes it happens like that. Sometimes we go to the first location, we go to the first job. It doesn't work there. We go to another job, and we're happy ever after. Yeah, but for whatever reason, it didn't work out. But he got a chance to go to Seattle. Pete gets relieved of his duty. Pete goes to Las Vegas. And, you know, he wants Geno a quarterback that he's familiar with, a system that he's familiar with.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

But I was surprised that, you know, I agree with you. Based on what I saw, just my eye test. It's hard for me to believe that Shador is a fifth round pick based on what he's done just those two years. If you want to discount what he did at Jackson State.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Okay, fine. You shouldn't. But I get it. Well, that's that level of competition, X, Y and Z. I get all that. But based on just what he did in college at cu, that's probably at the latest, the third round pick. I ain't say you got to take him top five. I ain't say. Okay, you say not. There are some things that, that, that you don't see. The significant upside, the high, the bald and ceiling. Okay. But it's hard for me to see a scenario that he's not at least a third round pick based on what he had done those two years at cu. But now he gets his opportunity and we'll see what he. Well, he made the most of the situation that he had Sunday. Let's see if he can just improve on that and get better and better and then hopefully, you know, hey, this off season, he gets an opportunity to go work and he can better, better, better, better. More familiar with the system. He had a whole off season to work. I think he can do something really, really good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely. Hey, matter of fact, I just thought about another scenario.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

What happened?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boy, that, that boy over there with that star on his helmet, you know, Come on. Come on down there to Cleveland now.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Who started? Oh, oh, Pick.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, they. Listen, I'm you all you needed one. All you need is one good dog now.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Chat, what y' all think, you know, and I'm a Bengal fan, but I. I always want what's best for Pick, huh?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

For sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get exactly what he want. Yeah. All right. But anyway, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Jamar Chase apologized today for spitting at Steelers defensive back Jalen Ramp. Spitting on Steelers defensive back Jalen Ramsey on ig. He posted. To my team, fans, the Bengals organization, the Steelers organization, the NFL community, please know I'm speaking from my heart when I say I take full responsibility for my actions last Sunday's game at Pittsburgh. What I did was wrong. The circumstances don't matter. My passion for the game is no excuse. There's zero place in the sport or in life for this level of disrespect. I want to personally apologize to everyone within the Pittsburgh Steeler organization. I let my emotions in the moment get the better of me, and I can only hope and trust, you know, you know, none of it represents who I am, not as a competitor, not as a teammate or a person. I want to apologize to my coaches, teammates, and organization for not meeting my own standard as a leader of this team. This has been one tough season with some incredibly hard losses. We've all been frustrated but intent. Instead of stepping up with calm, class and leadership. I let you down. My having to sit out yesterday gave. Make my actions even more inexcusable. I won't let it happen again. Finally, I want to apologize to my fans. I do not take anyone who wears the jersey for granted. I take my position as a role model. I don't. I. I do not take my position as a role model lightly. As someone who strives to lead with character and authenticity, I should have taken immediate accountability for what happened. I am committed to earning back your respect, not with just words, but with my actions day after day, on and off the field. I promise to keep learning from this and set higher standards for myself moving forward. With respect. Jamar Chase.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like it.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I just wish. Ocho. I like it, too, but I wish he just personally said Jalen Ramsey. Yeah, I'm sorry.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Even. Even if he didn't say that, he might not have said that publicly in that letter. I like that. That was very tasteful. That was very tasteful. What happened in that situation was totally. Was totally uncharacteristic of who that individual is. Emotions got the best of them.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I guarantee you this. I guarantee you this. I already. I talked to Chase, too. Now. I talked to him one time, and I let it go. Listen, young bull.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Take your punishment. Say. Say your sorries, get your policies out the way and come back even better. Lock in and focus and do what you need to do. I guarantee you he called Jalen Ramsey. I guarantee you. I guarantee he called him personally and apologized to him, because if he didn't.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Well, that's good enough for me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Then after this came out, I guarantee you Ramsey would have said something about it. I guarantee you would. But I. I know he did. I know he. I know it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I just know he did because that's the type of.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

That's the type of duty is Ocho. But you put all of these other people in there. Why not put Ramsay in there?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because he did it on his own. Man to man, on the phone. Hey, bro, listen, man.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

It's. It's hard, Ocho, when you do it like that. It's hard because the person that you disrespected the most, you didn't mention him publicly. You talked about. You talked about Cincinnati. You talked about the fans. You talk about the Steelers organization. And the guy that you actually did that to. He doesn't get the. He. And I get it. I get what you're saying. Maybe behind the scenes. But Ocho, he put this in a letter. He put this on a post.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

And I. I commend you, Chase. I commend you. Kudos. It was a mistake. You let your emotions get the best of you. When emotions are high, logic is low. And you said some things. We saw it in real time. I don't think he thought that the cameras caught it. But Chase is hard now, bro, to do anything without it being. The revolution will always be televised, moving forward. Yeah, but that's all that's. Look, and I don't want to nitpick because I believe sincerely and genuinely, but there's a. There's an art to apologizing, Ocho, in order to get the full. In order to have the full effect of an apology. Now, change behavior is the greatest apology.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, wait.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I agree with you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait a minute.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Go on now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I heard you say change behavior. Now what. What I do want, and I hope Chase see this still be yourself. Don't change who you are in that field. Do not lose the edge that makes you. You. I understand the mistake you made. I understand.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah. Just don't go over the edge. You can have that edge.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't. Don't do that. Don't go overboard. But do not lose the edge. And what makes you special. Because now you think you have to conduct yourself like a goddamn choir boy. That's not what the. We finish. I'm sorry. That's not what we finna do. Absolutely not. You continue to remain that same dog, that same edge, that same, Same confidence that you carry wearing that goddamn one. I know you got that C on your chest, but don't, don't. Don't lose what makes you special. Continue to play with that same edge. You made a mistake. You apologize for it. I'm sure you talked to Ramsey and apologized to him.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Even though Unk and others might want it to be publicly, you know that. That apology to be public to him. But.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I say, I, I, I said this, and I. And I. And I believed it at the time. I said, he's going to apologize because he's going to see what we saw, what the world saw. Now, he could hide around and say, well, you know, because I don't think he thought nobody saw it, Ocho. He didn't yeah, and I get it. I get it. Like I said, when emotion is high, logic is low.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

But all I'm saying. Look, and I know Chad, I might be nitpicking, but I just wish he would have mentioned rambling Ram ramp Jalen. And to Jalen Ramsey and his family, I would like to personally apologize to you. And maybe you're right. Maybe he's done that off camera. And I'm cool after this. After we address this tonight, I'm done. I'm done with. I won't have anything else to say about it. But I'm just saying. I just think. I just think for me, an apology. I got at least. I gotta at least. At least apologize to the party that I offended. I understand organizations. I understand the NFL. I understand the Bengals. I understand the NFL. I understand the Steelers organization. I understand the fans. But, you know, act happened, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but dudes ain't worried about that, huh? You. I mean, you thinking as in your position. We talk. We talk about players. Players ain't worried about. Oh, you. You need to apologize to me publicly. N. Oh, excuse me. Them boys ain't worried about that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, bro. Man, listen, I'm telling. I'm telling you how they think. They ain't worried about. No. No public apology, man. Bro, hit. Bro, hit my line. He apologized. Hey, man, listen, we squashing it. I'mma see you when we play. When we. We play. All in three more weeks. Case closed.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Oh, let me ask you this. You do. Real apology is not for the individual. It's for you. You need to. You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's personal.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

It's not the apology, because the. The act is already done. You just need to. You need to apologize so you can move forward. I guarantee, like I said, I'm gonna take you at your word that he possibly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know he did. I know he did. I promise you. I'm telling you, he did. But I'm just saying. No, no, Ramsey, hold on. Not knowing. Ramsey, too, you know, you just knowing how. Knowing how them boys think, knowing how they act and they ain't worried about. Oh, he apologized to me. They don't care about that, man. Young bull, man. Hit my line. Hey, bro, listen, I don't know.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

There are certain things that I could. I could. I mean, I think there's certain things that you don't have to do, but something as disrespectful as that. And we started to see an escalation of this, not just at the professional level, but we saw it at college the other night, too. I'M like, when. Like I said, maybe it was the cat. Maybe this happened a lot when we played and the cameras weren't there to catch it. Maybe that's what happened, Ocho. Maybe that's what happened.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But they listen, they not. They built different. They ain't worried about that. You know, if there was an issue, there's a problem, and they handle their business a little different. They ain't worried about no, you know, saying it publicly and all that.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Well, then why did he apologize then if he wasn't worried about none of that? Why do you apologize?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm saying. I'm saying you speaking on it, having him not mentioning Ramsay's name when Ramsey probably worry about no goddamn letter when I'm telling you, buddy, probably hit him. Hit his line. I'm telling you.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

But I'm just saying, I mean, it's hard to have a public apology when the party that was offended doesn't get mentioned. That's all I'm saying. We can move on. We're going to need a gristic. We're going to agree to disagree on that one. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. Ocho, I'm not trying to belabor the point, but I'm saying the offended party didn't get mentioned. He mentioned the party's team that they play for. They mentioned the league that they played in. He mentioned the team. He mentioned his fans. Fans around the NFL. But the party that was offended doesn't get mentioned. That's the. That's the only thing I'm saying. And Chad, maybe I'm being. Maybe, maybe. Maybe I'm being a little extra.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, maybe I'm being a little bit. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. Hey, don't they. They. When they play again? When they play again.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

When do they play again? Two weeks. Oh, they play Thursday? Play Thanksgiving? No, they play the Ravens.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They play the Ravens.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

They play the Steelers again? They just played the Steelers, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They got one more game.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

They done.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, that's it. Okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah. Yeah. So we go. Hey, Chase, like I said, I had a few interactions with you, bro. Have the utmost respect. Motions got the best of you? Hey, just move forward. Learn from this mistake. Don't let it happen again. Keep your head up, chest out. Keep moving forward.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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By some unknown species of the future.

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Upon which they base their assumptions of our existence. Eggs, they will posit. These extinct people like to eat their.

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Eggs, and this was their primary tool for cooking them.

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Let us teleport and put this device.

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In the Milky Way exhibit.

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5 stars Zachary, find your perfect gift.

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This holiday on Amazon. You know what a girl's best friend is?

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Not diamonds.

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Her lawyers. From executive producer Ryan Murphy comes a fiery new legal drama.

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It's our own boutique women representing women.

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You can't afford to miss.

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Make it Rain Showtime, ladies. Stand up straight, then breeze into that.

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Room like a storm no one saw coming. Hulu Original Series All's Fair now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney plus for bundle subscribers. Terms apply.

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Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line. But first, There the last one. Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes.