Nightcap - Hour 1: Curry cooks, Pat Surtain, Hunter’s built different

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Nightcap - Hour 1: Curry Cooks, Pat Surtain, Hunter’s Built Different Release Date: February 28, 2025

Hosted by Shannon Sharpe alongside Chad Ochocinco Johnson, this episode delves into standout performances in the NBA, celebrates the achievements of NFL Defensive Player of the Year Pat Surtain II, and explores the intricacies of defensive strategies and team dynamics.

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1. Stephen Curry’s Stellar Performance

Shannon Sharpe opens the discussion by highlighting Stephen Curry’s exceptional performance in a recent NBA game. Emphasizing Curry's shooting prowess, Sharpe provides impressive statistics:

• Transaction Breakdown:
  • Made Threes: 5 out of 6 attempts
  • Free Throws: 16 out of 25
  • Third Quarter: Outscored Orlando by himself with 22 points
  • Career Milestone: 14th 50-point game

Notable Quote:

"Steph Curry has nine game nine [sic] made threes in the NBA. He has 45 games in which he's made at least nine threes in a game."
— Shannon Sharpe [11:37]

Chad Ochocinco Johnson echoes Sharpe’s admiration, questioning if Curry is "even human at times" due to his consistent high-level performances.

Notable Quote:

"You have. You have experience. You have the conditioning. To do this throughout the entirety of the game is unbelievable."
— Chad Ochocinco Johnson [10:11]

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2. Celebrating Pat Surtain II: Defensive Player of the Year

The spotlight shifts to Pat Surtain II, a three-time Pro Bowler and two-time All-Pro who recently clinched the Defensive Player of the Year award. Sharpe lauds Surtain's dedication, professionalism, and technical skills.

Notable Quote:

"You're more than deserving of that model citizen. Doesn't get any trouble, you don't have to worry about him hearing his name off the field."
— Shannon Sharpe [11:37]

Pat Surtain II discusses his mindset when facing elite receivers, emphasizing preparation and adaptability. He reflects on his transition from aspiring running back to defensive back, crediting his father's influence and Coach Saban's rigorous training.

Notable Quote:

"I just haven't reached my ceiling at the end of the day, so I feel like there's more work to be done."
— Pat Surtain II [40:24]

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3. Defensive Strategies and Mindset

Sharpe and Ochocinco delve into the technical aspects of defensive play, particularly focusing on cornerback responsibilities and the importance of versatility. They analyze Surtain's ability to adapt his playstyle based on his opponents' characteristics, highlighting his range, speed, and tactical intelligence.

Notable Quote:

"Once he gets that separation and the next thing you know he's launching one."
— Shannon Sharpe [16:03]

Surtain elaborates on balancing technical skills with physicality, adjusting his approach when facing different types of receivers, from power players like DK Metcalf to swift, agile receivers.

Notable Quote:

"As a DB gotta have quick feet, you know, I mean, you gotta, yes, you gotta be sudden as well too."
— Pat Surtain II [31:05]

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4. Team Dynamics and Player Evaluation

The conversation transitions into evaluating team strategies, particularly focusing on defensive cohesion and the role of key players like Miles Garrett and potential trades. Sharpe and Ochocinco discuss the challenges teams face in retaining top defensive talent and the implications of trading for high-caliber players to strengthen defenses.

Notable Quote:

"You don't make it to that level by accident. You have to have confidence to be great."
— Shannon Sharpe [51:08]

They debate the feasibility of acquiring players like Garrett, considering factors such as team rebuilding stages, player motivation, and the financial implications of high-value trades.

Notable Quote:

"You're going to have to give up your pick because they're keeping theirs. You have to give up this first-year pick and next year's first-round pick."
— Shannon Sharpe [69:17]

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5. Draft Prospects and Team Strategies

Sharpe and Ochocinco analyze upcoming draft prospects, debating the potential impact of players like Abdul Carter and Brian Thomas Jr. They weigh the benefits of selecting versatile defensive backs versus focusing on specialized positions to enhance team performance.

Notable Quote:

"Me personally, I think he's better at DB than receiver because I think he's a little rough around the edges at the receiver."
— Shannon Sharpe [54:17]

The discussion also touches on the evolving nature of team practices, addressing the decline of spring training due to concerns over player exposure and strategic secrecy.

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6. Future Expectations and Season Outlook

Concluding the episode, Surtain shares his aspirations for sustaining and building upon his current success, expressing enthusiasm for the team's future prospects. Sharpe and Ochocinco reinforce the importance of maintaining high standards and the relentless pursuit of excellence within the league.

Notable Quote:

"We got a great young core, I mean, and we also got some veterans as well, too. So, you know, I'm looking forward to it, man."
— Pat Surtain II [42:50]

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Conclusion

This episode of Club Shay Shay masterfully blends in-depth analysis of top-tier athletic performances with personal interviews that shed light on the mindset and strategies of elite athletes. From Curry's unparalleled shooting to Surtain's defensive mastery, listeners gain valuable insights into the dedication and adaptability required to excel at the highest levels of sports.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Shannon Sharpe [11:37]: "Steph Curry has nine game nine [sic] made threes in the NBA. He has 45 games in which he's made at least nine threes in a game."

• Chad Ochocinco Johnson [10:11]: "You have. You have experience. You have the conditioning. To do this throughout the entirety of the game is unbelievable."

• Shannon Sharpe [16:03]: "Once he gets that separation and the next thing you know he's launching one."

• Pat Surtain II [40:24]: "I just haven't reached my ceiling at the end of the day, so I feel like there's more work to be done."

• Shannon Sharpe [51:08]: "You don't make it to that level by accident. You have to have confidence to be great."

• Shannon Sharpe [54:17]: "Me personally, I think he's better at DB than receiver because I think he's a little rough around the edges at the receiver."

• Pat Surtain II [42:50]: "We got a great young core, I mean, and we also got some veterans as well, too. So, you know, I'm looking forward to it, man."

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This summary aims to provide a comprehensive overview of the episode's key discussions and insights, ensuring that even those who haven't listened can grasp the depth and excitement of the conversations.

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, I didn't have a chance to look at this game. Obviously I was asleep, you know, when this game was going on. I'm just waking up from a nap so I could have the energy I needed tonight. But when you look at when I Look at the stat line. I look at how efficient Steph was, you know, from three and his numbers at the free throw line, it just comes back to like, I mean, is this something we're not used to? You know, is Steph even, even, even human at times? Because we've seen him put up these type of performances, you know, throughout his career, you know, and like you said, when he gets hot, he gets hot. So it's like, okay, yeah. Oh, he, Steph dropped 56. I mean, it's like, okay, nothing new. We're used to this. We've seen, you know, you know what I mean? In a sense, we've seen this before. So I mean, yeah, I mean, it's Steph.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Steph has 45, Dame has 14, Klay Thompson has 12, James Harden has nine, Anthony Simons has five, CJ McCullough has three. So if you take those, well, JR Smith has five. So if you take those next, if you take Dane Clay, James Harden, Anthony Simons and J.R. they have the same number. If you throw in Anthony, CJ McCollum, now you got six guys and they have three more nine made threes in a game than Steph Curry, man, that's crazy. He is the greatest shooter that we've ever seen. The way he can shoot, there isn't a bad shot, you know, once upon a time, man, that's a terrible shot. There is no terrible shot for Steph Curry.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Not for him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean. And what's most impressive, yeah, shooting the basketball is impressive, but it's Ocho, it's the continuation of running. Do you understand what type of conditioning this man has to be in? Because you know, when you get tired with anything, hell, you get tired of running around Ocho, you're like, woo. Hands get lazy, head, eyes get lazy, head get lazy coming around all that stuff. And for him to put that kind of running in because, hey, he's coming off screens continuously, he's one side, he'll hey long rebound, he'll reset, goes back up with it again. For him to be able to do this throughout the entirety of the game is unbelievable. I'm glad I've got an opportunity. I'm glad I'm old enough and I'm wise enough to understand what I'm witnessing because there have been some great shooters, but they've been nothing like this young man. He is phenomenal at shooting the basketball and every accolade or superlative that you want to bestow upon him, he's more than deserving of that model citizen. Doesn't get any trouble, you don't have to worry about him hearing his name off the field. Wife, four lovely kids. And he's what you want your franchise, you say, okay, he's a franchise player. That's what you want your franchise player to look like. That's what you want your franchise player to be. He's been a great ambassador for the NBA. He's been a great ambassador for the Curry family. There's nothing that his mom and dad should ever, ever. Nobody in his family should ever be ashamed of anything. Cause the way he speaks, the way he conducts himself on and off the court. Take a bow, Steph. Boy, you was on one tonight. Whatever you ate today, Steph probably go, hey, he gonna send them, hey, go get that again. We gonna take that on the plane. We go wherever we go next. I don't know if they play in Miami or they head down to Atlanta because they're probably on the east coast trip. Ocho. Hey, whatever you ate before the game, whatever you did before this game, same routine.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah, same routine.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know if he's superstitious or not, Ocho, but if I'm him to have a game like this, Think about it, Ocho. I'm sure when you had those big games, those what? A couple of 200 yard games, you're like, man, what did I do today?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey. And you know, and you know what's funny? Most of the time you have those big games like that, you get to drink, you get to drug test the following morning because the NFL thinks something wrong with you and you go back and try to remember exactly, exactly what you did, right? Uncle, you can't even remember. Because sometimes at times it don't be nothing special. It just one of those days where everything just seems to go right, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I don't know why Steph Curry get drug tested. Because if he taking drugs, they backfired, they ain't working. So whatever, whatever he taking, he needed to take more of it or leave it alone. But like I said, there've been some great shooters. Larry Bird was a great shooter. Reggie Miller was a great shooter. Obviously, Clay Dame$, arguably the Ray Allen. James Harden could let the ball go. Yeah, we've never seen anything like Steph Curry. I'm not so sure we're going to see it again now. Thereby eventually somebody down the line might make more threes. But I think, I think we can definitively say even if they make more threes, they weren't a better shooter than Steph. They just got hurt Because Steph was what created this, brought this wave in to take him that many threes. Because it was Golden State that was shooting 30 threes a game. Now you get some guys, they shooting 50, team shooting 50 a game. So guys coming in shooting more threes. But as far as just flat out shooting a basketball.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, nothing better than him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We got an opportunity to see it on full display at the Olympics. You remember holding you in that last.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Game against France in crunch time when.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We actually needed it, they had him double. He passed it to kd. KD swung it back to him. Hey, as my good friend Mark Jackson say, can I have this dance?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, between the leg, behind the back, crossover, step back 28ft, splash.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Have you want it? He can come here. Listen, like you said, not only is he the best shooter, he can create his own space. Oh yeah. Hey, listen, he coming off picks, running plays, creating his own space. All he needs a little bit now. Cause his release is so quick, huh? Yeah, his release is so quick. It's like, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because the thing is now what he's done before, what he didn't do earlier in the career, he'll put the ball on the floor and go by you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So if you hug up on him, he got the kind of handles that can put the ball on the floor. And he got a nice float game he can finish now he's gonna finish above the rim like a Russ or like a D. Rose could. But he can finish. Nice float game. And you know, he's. You file him. He's the greatest free throw shooter a percentage wise in NBA history. So he's really hard to defend because you want to get aggressive and not let him because he's looking to get separation and all he needs is an inch. He gets that separation and the next thing you know he's launching one. And so yeah, he. But it was unbelievable to watch him getting that zone and to see guys getting the zone. Guys didn't usually get in the zone like this from distance. We've seen guys get hot Ocho and they'll lay the ball up and they got the mid range game. But he's shooting from distance. Yeah, I mean 20, 25, 28.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hell, hell, 25.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The logo. He got that kind of. He got that kind of range, he has that kind of handles. He's unbelievable to watch. And I don't know, I might have to reassess what I think about the Golden State warriors because I didn't think they was going to do that. They still got an uphill climb because they were, I think 10th when Stephen and I had this conversation on Tuesday. And so they got some digging because they're still in the play in currently. I'm not sure how much ground they can make up to get out of that play in. I think you got to get to at least the sixth seed to get out of the play in. We'll see. But Steph Curry carried him tonight. Jimmy. Nobody did anything other than him. But when you got a guy like that, all you're doing is sitting picks and getting him to basketball. I ain't trying to interfere with that. I ain't trying to get no shots.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So if he, if he hot, let him cook.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell yeah, let Shell burn. Let him burn it down. Hey, burn this mofo down. Yeah, but he was, he was on one tonight. And like I said, when he gets going like that, it's just like, oh, Joe. You see, like it is. A guy catches a bunch of passes once he gets it going. Chase, you see Chase and Jetta and you see these guys get going, right? You at their mercy. You had their once a lineman get going. You let a Miles Garrett or you let TJ Watt and they get a couple of sacks early. You got your hands full the rest of the game. Now you better double him, you better chip him. Now you better not. Hey, nah, that's a. That's all pro over there. Left tackle. That's an all pro. I don't care.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Y'all don't need nothing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not when the guy's getting it going like that. You kind of at their mercy. And when Steph gets it going and these guys, I mean, you talk about anybody? Dane, Clay. We saw Clay the other night get it cooking and he was. He was something special going on.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Joining us, three time Pro Bowler, two time All Pro Defensive Player of the Year. He's one of six now. He's one of seven DBs to have won that award. Mel Blunt won it first. Lester Hayes, Rod Wilson, Deion Sanders, Charles Woodson, Stephon Gilmore. And now representing Bronco Country, Pat Sir Tan ii.

[Pat Surtain II]

PS dude, what it do, yo, what's good? What's happening, bro?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm proud, man. You represent Bronco country extremely well, man. You're the first defensive player of the year since Randy Gratashaw and I think 77 or 78. So it's been damn near 50 years since we've had a defensive player of the year. But I can't think of someone that's more worthy with the work that you put in, the way you prepare, you know, Hey, I get the. I get. I get intel. The way the professionalism that, what you display, how you go about your business, how you try to get better and better every day, the attention to detail that you put in, man, I want to take my hat off and say congratulations, and I'm proud you're a Bronco bro.

[Pat Surtain II]

Yeah, Appreciate it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. You know. You know, I've been watching you since high school, boy. Man, obviously having, you know, having the battles with you with your pops, man, we was in the league and now watching you dominate at the position and. And being the number one defensive back in the league, I. I want to know my first. What's your mindset, man, when you line up against some of the best receivers in the league with a great understanding, as technically sound as you are and as savvy as you are, how important is you to be able to keep your composure in most situations with dbs? Panic. Which makes you probably the best in the league on that trait alone, outside of ball skills and other stuff.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Pat Surtain II]

Nah. This WI Fi tripping, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Pete, where you at? You at the crib?

[Pat Surtain II]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what's wrong with the WI fi. No.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, I'm not going to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But what Ocho was asking you is that what's your mindset when you go into a game and you know you're going to have to take. You're going to have to travel, you got a lot of frequent flyers miles because you go left, right? Sometimes you jump in the slot, but mainly you're outside, but you're taking the opposing team's best receiver. What is your mindset? How do you get locked in on a given Sunday?

[Pat Surtain II]

Yeah, I think it all starts with preparation. Knowing your opponent, knowing who you're going up against, you know? Cause the NFL, each and every week, you know, you're going up against a top, top line receiver each and every week. So, you know, you gotta have that mindset going in, like you're gonna win every rep at the end of the day. So, you know, every time I go and play every Sunday, I look at it as a blessing. Cause, you know, I get to go up against the best, you know, and perform at a high level. So.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, growing up. Listen, did you always know you wanted. Did you always know you wanted to follow in your father's footsteps as a cornerback? Or was it another position you wanted to play? Or was it always defensive back?

[Pat Surtain II]

Nah, I wasn't always D.B. you know, I've always wanted to be a running back growing up.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

For real?

[Pat Surtain II]

Yeah, I mean, you know, you know, I played at ppo.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ppo?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bengals.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. When you was at ppo.

[Pat Surtain II]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, y'all be cheating out there, man.

[Pat Surtain II]

Yeah, I was. I was showing up running back, man. I always wanted to be okay. But then, like, you know, I played offense, you know, and then it. When I went to db, it sort of translated naturally, and I sort of got the feel for, you know, the instincts. You know, I had the press game already, so I was like, I'm just gonna carry it over to db and, you know, the game went off from there, so.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When people describe you, the one thing they say technically sound always on balance to a team. Doesn't. He doesn't get lazy. He doesn't get lazy with his footwork. He doesn't get lazy with his hand placement. He doesn't get lazy with his head. Head. What are you thinking, like, when you go up there and you like, okay, I got xy. I got. Whoever the receiver is when you lock in, you like, I got this guy. What are you thinking? Psych.

[Pat Surtain II]

Shoot. First thing, I'm thinking of being sound. Okay. You know, like you said, technically sound like it. Start with my eyes, you know, making sure my eyes at the right spot, you know, not guessing, you know. You know, being sound with that, you know, and putting. Making sure my. My feet match. Receiver's feet at the end of the day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Pat Surtain II]

You know, the receivers. You know, Chad, y'all get in and.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Out of break standing.

[Pat Surtain II]

You know, y'all yes, sir. Y'all so quick. So we gotta react, and that's the main making sure I'm able to react, you know, a couple seconds, you know, later with the receiver's timing at the end of the day. So, you know, I make sure I'm with that and hand placements, right? You know, when I'm pressing, you know, feet align with my eyes at the end of the day. So, you know, that's the main thing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

One more thing. Let me ask this, let me get this.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Go ahead, go ahead. I got a good one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Are you a pattern read guy or you a down and distance guy? Because me, I'm looking at guys, how guys play. Me, I'm looking at down and distance, how they play. I'm looking at when we're in a certain formation, how they play. So are you a pattern read guy or you a down and distance guy?

[Pat Surtain II]

I think that's a good question. I think it ties in both ways. When you realize down the distance, right? You realize what pattern's about to come. It was third and short. You know, you, you four by one, backside, you, you, you expecting, you know, you know, I mean, so like, when you, when you, when you tie in those little things, you know, you understand the game. Like I, I read like two by two sets and be like, okay, two out to the flat, number one got windbreaker. You know what I mean? It's just like route concepts have different levels to it. You know, when you're a DB and you look at it firsthand, but, you know, it comes with experience, you know, I mean.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Pat Surtain II]

I want to say, necessarily say, when I was a rookie, I knew that, you know, so the more and more time I had in the league and understanding offenses and how they process it slowed the game down for me for sure. So I think when you go on each and every week and, you know, you got the right film preparation, I think all that ties in together.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, this is, this is what I wanted to ask you too, because I had a lot of freedom to be able to do what I want to do as long as I stay within the timing of the offense. And I'm curious on the defensive side of the ball, being that you're so good, how much freedom do you have in reign to be able to do what you want to do within the defensive scheme based on the, based on the receiver that you're playing each week now, each week you playing teams, number one, you traveling with them, and every receiver is different, do you change your game a little bit and your approach to that specific player each week, being that they're different and do, do they allow you the freedom to do that in the secondary? I'm not sure how strict your coach is. I'm just curious.

[Pat Surtain II]

Yeah, I mean, there's definitely some freedom. You know, it depends on the call. You know, we had different variations of calls, you know, allowed you to be free, like man to man, like you can switch it up your leverage and stuff here, right? Like when I'm, when I'm playing in the defensive scheme, I'm. I'm sort of like if I'm in zone, I'm trying. I'm more solely focused on the quarterback sometimes, you know, I'm trying to receive, like trying to bait the quarterback or give the quarterback this looks and thinking of something else at the same time. But yeah, you know, you get a lot of leeway out there, you know, but it's all about, you know, playing confident. You know, it's all starts with your confidence and your ability at the end of the day. So I think with our defensive scheme, you know, Vance Joseph, he allows us to, you know, excel in our skill set, you know what I mean? Play free.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm looking at you and like you play a DK Metcalf or Mike Evans, those are more big body receivers that want to get physical. You play a smaller receiver, that's quick. Now, I don't know if people know this. You're a rangy guy. I mean, you got, you got long arms. You're long. I mean, you're six two. You're a legit six two and a half. I ain't no well with shoes on. You're a legit six two and a half. So when you go up against say a DK Metcalf on one play and now you got Jackson, Smith and Jigba, or you got Lockett on the next play, how different, how difficult is it for you to get it out? Like, okay, this guy's more physical. Okay, I know I gotta be, I gotta be able to be strong at my initial point versus a guy that got fast twitch that's looking to get up out of there in a hurry.

[Pat Surtain II]

Yeah, that's the thing, man. Like, you know, people, people have this like notion on tallity bees saying, you know, they can't get in and out of breaks, you know, I mean, I mean, obviously they know taller DBs may be physical, but that's the thing, like as DB gotta have quick feet, you know, I mean, you gotta, yes, you gotta be sudden as well too. So when I Go against bigger receivers, I'm like, okay, we match up pretty well. Like, that's my game, being physical, but, like, them quicker, smaller receivers, that shifty and quick, it's like, okay, now I gotta tie into my game a little bit more now. And now it's not physicality, you know, it's all about the feet being aware, being sudden. But, you know, that just goes in, you know, towards the working off season, like, making sure my short area, quickness up to par, you know what I mean? All that ties in together because, you know, them receivers stop on a dime, then boom. I gotta translate that. Getting out the break and finishing on the play. So I think every week has its own challenge because, you know, sometimes I go against a new receiver. I don't know any experience against them, but a guy can be quick, you know, you gotta just read and react at the end of the day.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So, yeah, listen, for me, my tougher challenges, you know, during my tenure, during my career, obviously, you know, playing within the division, having to deal with the Ike Taylors, the Lee Bodens, obviously Darrell Reavers being the best DB I've ever gone against during my tenure in the league. Who would your top three receivers be that you feel are the most difficult to cover or you. Or would give you issues? You know, I'm trying to find a way where you can. You can. You can give them, you know, their flowers without saying that they. They can beat you, you know, but there's always somebody.

[Pat Surtain II]

Yeah, you know, there's. It's crazy because the receivers, it seemed like every year, like, another receiver pops up, like.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right.

[Pat Surtain II]

Like people had under the radar. So it's like, I didn't go through the lineage of receivers that I could see pop up, like, year in and year out, because I look at consistency as well, too, so.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right, right.

[Pat Surtain II]

You know, so like, Ozzy, Jamal, he up there, he had a great year. You know, I work against him. You know, it was a good matchup between me and him. A good battle. Then we have, like, Devontae Adams.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Pat Surtain II]

I mean, we have good battles. Like, I look at dudes that I battle against. You know what I mean? And, you know, we have all good matchups. And let me see, I say Tyreek Hill, and he's been like, he was that dude. For sure. He's that dude. So some good matchups.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Pat, your dad, senior, All Pro. How much time did he spend with you once you decided that you're going to play db? How much time did he spend with you? Did you guys watch Film. Did he say, okay, look for this? Did he work with you on certain things? So what. What's been some of the lessons that your dad. Having a dad playing the NFL play at a high level, what's some of the things that he's taught you?

[Pat Surtain II]

Yeah, I think it's an honor, you know, being able to, you know, sort of, you know, have that, you know, person in your life that played at a high level. You know, I mean, you know, just learning from him, learning what he's seeing from the game, I'm just. I just, you know, I'm just a sponge, you know, I'm soaking in everything he taught me, you know, from day one. So, you know, being able to translate that to the game now, it's honestly a blessing. But, you know, I learned a lot. I mean, he. He just knows the game, the ins and outs of the game. You know what I mean? He's played in the league for, you know, a long time, so being able to have that on my side with his experience, it helps a lot. You know, just from when I was in the backyard just doing drills with him now, just watching film and stuff whenever he had the chance to. I think it's honestly a privilege for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you this. At Alabama, coach Saban spent a lot of time with the dbs. He was very, very hands on. Coaching eyes. Eyes this, feet, this, this and this. Tell me about coach Saban and his approach to coaching DBs and some of the lessons that he taught you. Cause it seemed like coach Saban was hard. I told you to do it like this.

[Pat Surtain II]

Yeah, yeah, that's him, man. Like, he. The thing is about Saban, like, obviously he's very hands on, but it's with a purpose. Like, it's with a result that comes with it. At the end of the day, like, you know, the things he teach you, you just can't hear one ear, not the other. You got to really lock in and understand it because he'll come back with you and challenge you with the same question each and every day. And then if you don't lock in, that's when you're like, man, I can't trust you. You know what I mean? I can't put you on that field, you know, So I think a lot of things he says was very, you know, prevalent, you know, to what he teaches. And, you know, it was a pleasure. Cause, you know, every once in a while you needed that. You know what I mean? You needed somebody to get on your ass and here and there. So I Mean, I think. I think it was definitely a learning experience for me, but it was well worth it, you know, being coached by the greatest college football coach to ever do it, you know, at the end of the day. So, you know, my times there, spending with him, I learned a lot, you know, and just when I take some of the lessons that he taught me, I sort of translate to league now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So what were those practices like? You got Henry Ruggs, you got Devonta Smith, you got Judy, you got. I mean, you.

[Pat Surtain II]

You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got Waddle. You got those guys. It's not like you're like, okay, man, let me go on over here. I'm gonna take Junior. Hold on. He was the Belitnikov Award winner, man. I got Devontae Smith. He called the game winning chest down at the national championship game as a true freshman. He's the Heisman Trophy winner. He's the Belindikov. Every award that he did that he's like, nah, let me go on and jump on Waddle. You got a guy that's running 4, 2, boom. By you. You got a guy rugs running 4, 2 by you. I mean, what was practices like? Cause I know there had to be.

[Pat Surtain II]

Some in talking, going on, packaging, for sure. It was. It was competitive. It was like, through my college career, I was even like, the games was the games, like, the games were so easy because, you know, you went up. I was so much worried about how I'm performing practice right in the game. You know what I mean? Cause like I say, you got Jewel, then you got Waddle, then you got Smitty and Rugs. It's like those were right there, like, you see in the game, live in action, and you're like, man, any one of these boys could go for like, 203 tubs easy, you know, if they want to. Then you got two at quarterback. Mack Jones, Bryce Young, Jalen Hurts. And you back there like, man, like, yeah, these some dudes, these some dogs. Yeah, it was a lot of shit talking, though. Like, we had competitive periods and like, boom. Like, the defense will win, and offense would get mad and get frustrated. And Sabian, you know, he a defensive coach, so, you know, we ain't practiced on a good note. You know, good speech, good practice. But, boy, the offense come back the.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Next day light, y'all.

[Pat Surtain II]

We have a tough day. Through them competitive periods and saving, he'd be like, break it down. Then, boom, we'll just run gases. It's because the defense did bad, man. You hate to see the defense lose. But, like, yeah, but Them practices, man. Like, I could vividly remember, like, ushers, like, getting better, like, each and every day, like, you know, hot summer days through them grueling days, like, it was well worth it because in the game, it was like, piece of cake. Boom. I know I need to line up like, he do a release. Boom. It's easy, like, I'm on the hill, but in practice, it's like I need to lock in, get my agent going. You know what I mean? So, yeah, it was definitely memorable, for sure.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's dope. You had some incredible plays, bro. You know, obviously, I've watched the highlights numerous times, being that I. I am. I'm a huge, huge advocate for excellent DB play. You've had some incredible plays in your early career, earlier in your early career, in the early stage of your career. What's been your favorite moment, you know, in the NFL so far, outside of getting drafted? I know getting drafted is that you can't replicate or replace that moment, but outside of that, what's been your favorite moment so far?

[Pat Surtain II]

Shoot. I think. I think it just happened. Winning that deep point, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah, that's pretty.

[Pat Surtain II]

That's a pretty surreal feeling. Yes, sir. I just think, you know, that just ties in all the work I put in the off season, you know, and just setting my goals aside, you know, and put into fruition. I think that was my favorite moment so far. But I say another thing is that's very underrated is, you know, building relationships, you know, across the league. You know what I mean?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Pat Surtain II]

You know, building. Building bonds that, you know, around the league that, you know, you would. You would cherish for a lifetime. And that's one of the things that, you know, I've been able to get exposed to, you know, meaning great vets, you know, I mean, being around great locker rooms, great presence like that, I think that's very cool. That's part of the NFL brotherhood. But, yeah, man, I know I got a lot more years to go, so I know things will keep rolling. The experience is going to keep coming. So now I'm very excited, you know, I'm enjoying it so far.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How does a young man stay hungry? You had such great accomplishments early in your career. You've been lost. You've been an All Pro. You've gone to the Pro Bowl. You just won defensive player of the Year in your third year. What does Pat Satan do to stay hungry? Because a lot of times when people achieve an accomplishment, you climb a mountain you like. Yes. But the really great one. Find another summit to scale what does Pat Surtan do for an encore?

[Pat Surtain II]

Man, I just realized at this point, man, you know, you've done everything, you know, at some point, but there's always room to get better. Like, sometimes I'd be like. Like, on this play, like, man, I could have did something different here. Be like, boom. Like, what's that next step in order for me to get there, you know what I mean? Like, I'm still a work in progress, you know what I mean? I still haven't reached my ceiling at the end of the day, so I feel like there's more work to be done. And I feel like right now, you know, I mean, people get into that, you know, I'm getting to that point where, you know, you know, people gonna bring a game, you know, each and every. You know, I mean, they gonna try, you know, have their best game against me, you know, have their best number against me. So I know, like, you know what I mean? I still. I'm still hungry, you know what I mean? I'm still working. I'm still the same dude each and every week, preparing the right way, fundamentally, and, you know, making sure I keep on sharpening my toolbox. So, you know, this off season, I'll put the work in and get better at the end of the day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you guys have a great season.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Speaking of off season, you know, I got McLeese with me, too. Now.

[Pat Surtain II]

Line them up. Just letting you know, you know, we can line them up. I'm being az.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, you way in Arizona.

[Pat Surtain II]

Yeah, I'm being az, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, Pat, man, you ain't seen last year. Ocho tried to get off a dude, man. Dude shoved him under the sideline. He put both hands in his chest. Not what he didn't stab left or right. Right. Left. That joker. Yes. Breastplate. Hey, listen, man did this right here to him. He squeezed it. I said, oh, man, get out of here.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, listen. What you got? You Pat. You Pat. You got to understand now, I hadn't done like that man in 12 years.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The man asked you, did that happen?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, that ain't happen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This man, you said he lying. Yes.

[Pat Surtain II]

You don't have a chance, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Come again. Come again in press play.

[Pat Surtain II]

Say that one more time, you won't have a chance.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Stand up. That's what we do. Hey, we're gonna get you here on this one. You guys made the playoff your first couple years. Didn't have a whole lot of success this year. You seem to find the quarterback in Bo Nicks, who was a rookie, played extremely well. What are the expectations moving forward next year and beyond?

[Pat Surtain II]

Yeah, we got great expectations. I think this was just the start, you know what I mean, of a long journey ahead. I mean, like you said, Bo, you know, we got a great young core, you know, I mean, and we also got some veterans as well, too. So, you know, I'm looking forward to it, man. I feel like we ended the season on a good note, but not the note that we wanted to because obviously we was, you know, going into that playoff run looking for more, but, you know, it comes with it. But now, since we know how to get there, it's all about sustaining, you know, and finishing the right way and getting to that next step. So I think that's the main goal, man, is just, you know, building the right pieces together. You know what I mean? I think with our team right now, I think we're going to bring everybody back together as we split. So I'm looking forward to it. I think we're going to even be more hungry just because, you know, we. We went to the playoffs. But not only that, we got a lot more left in the tank. So, yeah, it's going to be. I'm excited.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're not satisfied. You can Pat. Pat has merch. You can copy his merch at off-fieldshop.com off-fieldshop.com to cop Sultan II merchandise. Check it out. What do you have? Beanies, hats, hoodies. What you got going on over there, Pat?

[Pat Surtain II]

Shirts, hoodies, beanies, everything you need. Limited edition.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There it is.

[Pat Surtain II]

Your poor limited edition.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Raining defensive player of the year. Bronco Country. Number two. Pants, Sir Ted ii. Congratulations. Tell your pops I said, what's up? All well with the family? Continued success, bro. And you rep. You repping Bronco country quite well, bro. My high salute.

[Pat Surtain II]

Y'all stay, all right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm gonna let you, bro.

[Pat Surtain II]

Yeah. All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that well, you feel? We got Ocho, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Got that thing look before he was a Bronco Boy. He's from the crib, man. I ain't trying to hear all that. He's probably from the crib.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho.

[T-Mobile Advertiser]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is how dominant he was against Seattle with those three headed monster. Dk, Metcalf, Jackson, Smith and Jigba. And lock it. He gave up 39 yards. He gave up 16 yards to the Steelers, 8 yards to the Bucks, 22 yards to the Jets, 24 yards against the Raiders, not a single yard against the Chargers. He was out. The next week, he gave up five yards to the Panthers, 15 to the Ravens, 18 to the Chiefs. Zero yards against the Falcons, 35 yards against the Raiders, 25 yards against the Browns. They were on a bye week. Four yards to the Colts, 23 yards against the Chargers, 45 yards against Higgins and Chase, and then 27 yards to fight last game. So, you know, 16 games. Ocho, he gave up a little more than 200 yards.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. The funny thing about it is people will look at that and really not understanding how great that is. We not talking about a cornerback that stays on one side of the field. We're talking about a quarterback that travels. You know, there have been very few that actually travel prime. Darrell Revis, I think Champ Bailey during his time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Rod Wilson did it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. I don't think people understand how difficult that is, being able to play a team's number one receiver each and every week. Having to change your style of play based on who you're playing as well, you know, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And Ocho. Ocho on. You have to change according to what side of the field you're on.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Everything changes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

People don't understand that. It's the same thing. Just like, hey, an upfield stance. You on the left, you're on the right as a receiver. Hey, hey, the ball. Hey, it's funny, man. You got a dominant eye. Yeah, you got a dominant eye. But he had an unbelievable season. Ojo. He had an unbelievable season. Travis Kelsey plans to play next season. Kelsey, text Pat McAfee. I'm coming back for sure. Going to try to get back to the best shape I've ever been this offseason and get back to the mountaintop. Got a real bad taste in my mouth with how I played in the last game and how I got got. How I got the guys ready for battle, and I can't go out like that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I told y'all. I said it wouldn't happen. He was coming back simply for the fact the way it ended. No one is ending their career like that, you know, especially a great one like Trap. Who's considered, who most consider, including yourself, you know, the greatest tight end of all time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

If I'm gonna finish it, I want to finish it the right way.

[Rocket Mortgage Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm not finishing it with that taste in my mouth. That's not happening.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. For me, if it's hearing Gronk and, you know, people. Some people say Gronk, some people gonna say Kelsey. But if you look at the consistency and the longevity in which he's played with. And with the exception of the last game, that's really the only game that you can Say, well, Trav didn't have it. Trav didn't come to play. He had the sec. He had the most catches in playoff history. He has the second most yards, the second most touchdowns, and the consistency year in and year out, the thousand yard receiving, leading this team in receptions. Yeah, for me. That's it for me. But hey, if you say Gronk, you got a very compelling argument as well. Ocho. Earlier today, Travis Hunter spoke about playing both positions in the NFL. Let's take a listen to what Trav had to say.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They say everybody, nobody has ever done.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It for real the way I do it, but. But I tell them I'm just different.

[Pat Surtain II]

I'm a different person.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I like it. I love the confidence, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You know, you and I play, we, we have experience. You and I played at the highest level. We've done it at the highest level consistently, year in and year out, you know, despite the accolades, you know, the resume, the hall of Fame, the rings, the All Pros, all that. And the one thing that, you know, you need when you play the game of football, confidence to be great is you need confidence. You need to be able to believe in yourself. Now, whether we feel it's possible to do the fact that he believes he can do it, that alone can be enough. Will it be enough? Now you understand how much playing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He ain't playing no 100 snaps a game for 17 games. That ain't happening.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay? Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't think he realized how many 100 snaps is in the NFL. College people don't realize there's a difference between college. I mean, that receiver, the Stanford receiver, that went 200 on him, I don't even know if that guy's in the league. And if he is, he ain't playing a whole lot. Now, you got Jenna. One week you got Chase. One week you got Cortland Sutton, one week, you got AJ Devonte, you got CD Tyreek Waddle. Now you got them week after week after week after week. Now you going up against, you got PS2, you got Denzel Ward, you got Stingley, you got Jalen Ramsey. Really, really. Aren't you?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Listen, as crazy as may, as crazy as it may sound, the one thing you need to have not only confidence, but the belief that you can do something that's never been done before. Hell, he might shock the world. He might shock you, he might shock me. But if, if it's. If it's. If there's one person, if there's one person that might be able to do it based on his conditioning, you know, his small. His. His small experience and being playing both sides of the ball. I mean, there might be a wake up call once he gets to the NFL and realize, okay, maybe I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Maybe I.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

More than I could chew.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

We gonna see, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because the thing is, I think he. Me personally, I think he's better at DB than receiver because I think he's a little rough around the edges at the receiver. And I think a lot of what he does is athleticism. And you know this. If a boy, they hunt on that defensive side, they look for any weakness.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You tip any route, they on your ass. Ocho know, hey, if you lean the slightest.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They ain't gonna say nothing. You're like, damn, how you know I was running this? You tipping them off. Oh, they watch it. Hey, why you think them guys be making play? You're like, damn, that's great film study. Yeah, it is great film study.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But also, if the slightest. The slightest hint you about to come break, slightest hint you about to stop, man, they all on that. Yeah, them guys feet so good, they feel great. And you get the best of the best.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Every.

[Pat Surtain II]

Every week.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because you know what, Ocho? If you the number, you. You the number one. You the first of all, you're gonna be a high draft pick.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what receivers want to do to the high draft pick? Okay. You on the offensive side of the football. What you think them DBs looking to do? Cause they know if they lock you up and get a pick or they press you, they gonna get on Sports Center.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm gonna make a name for myself against you. What did Pat say? Hey, I know guys gonna come try to get catches on me. I know they're gonna try to do to me. What you think they're gonna try to do to a rookie db, Wide receiver, Right. They try to have him in jail. Hey, you gotta be on. You have to be on your best behavior every single game. Because what I tell people, Ocho, and you know this. You look at a guy, you say, oh, man, he ain't all pro. He don't go to no Pro Bowl. Everybody in that league has the ability to make everybody else in that league look foolish. Every time you just say, oh, only J.J. t.J. Watt can get a sack on me. Or only Miles Garrett. Boy, they got a guy out there you ain't never heard of scene before that joker behind you before you know it. And you thought, oh, man, that ain't nobody, man. And the dude got you over there with the water cooler. You cannot underestimate anybody right at that level, because at some point in time, Ocho, in their career, they was an all conference, they was an all this. They were all. All state. They were all something.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't make it to that level by accident.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You don't. Not at all. Not at all. I mean, you know. You know what's funny is sometimes we look at. We look at the product, you know, even though I'm. You know, I ain't gonna talk about nobody. Cause you look at the product that was out there. Super Bowl Sunday.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Make you think twice about what you just said sometime. Especially that old line boy, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now, a lot of mock drafts have him going to the Jags. Now, Brian Thomas junior's one. Could he slide in? Be two, three.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ooh, I like that boy. I like that. And honestly, he wouldn't. That'd be two ones, honestly, if you think about it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I hate those ones. Brian Thomas Jr. Brian Thomas Jr. Saying, I'm not so sure Brian Thomas Jr. In the top 10 receiver right now, next year. I ain't gonna wait till next year.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Top 10 right now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I'm saying.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, of course. I agree with that. I'm saying. I'm saying Hunter, just from an athletic standpoint and what he can do with the ball in his hands, I don't think he would be a one. You said a one and a two. I'm thinking them two ones. That's what I meant.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now I'm gonna have to pay. I'm have. I gotta see it at that level.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay, okay, okay, okay. I got you.

[Pat Surtain II]

I got you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got you. We've seen a lot of ones in college. Ain't gonna be no. Ain't no ones when they get to the NFL. And I've seen Brian. It's kind of like what you see, guys. Now, Ocho, a lot of teams say they shied away from taking college kids. Everybody looking to grab somebody out of the portal.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because that's why Ocho, I've seen him do it at the college level. I don't have to speculate on what he can do. I already seen him do it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And a lot of teams, Ocho, they're doing away with spring ball because they don't want nobody else to see them guys are taking a clip. Send them out. Hey, what y'all got for your boy? So teams are doing not having spring practice is Ocho. Because they're so worried about other team pillaging their players? Yeah. Hey, man, I got 500,000 for you. All right, Deuces, we out. Oregon State. You don't did that thing in that heck of Oregon. Say, ocho, we got 650, 000 for you. Grandma. Grandma. Hey, ain't no more potty meat. Ain't no more buying the sausage, mama.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, right. Right away, 650. Listen, that mean that. That tell you there. I wouldn't have had to do what I was doing back then, you know? And you know, man, but that's a whole nother story, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it's like I said, I'm anxious to see. Like I said, and I've said this from day one, I feel he's a better corner than a wide receiver because I think he's a little unpolished in that area. And it's hard to get polished in one area when you're working on something else. Cause normally, guys that get good at something, what do they do? That's something you good at something you know, a guy. Orthopedics, they're good at. Dr. Neil Ellatron, Dr. James Andrews. They're good at what they do. They're not trying to do neurosurgery. They're not trying to do anesthesiology. They're not trying to, you know, kid a trauma surgeon.

[Pat Surtain II]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The orthopedics, you get good at doing something. It's boring, but it's a lot of repetition, right? How do you get good at being a great wide receiver and a great DB at that level? Now, he was sensational in college, but we're talking about to the next. We're talking about the creme de la creme. That's. That's my thing. How did he put. How did he put that kind of time in?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

To really. To really get to really hone and focus the skill sets. Okay, I'm gonna be taught this, and I'm gonna be taught that. Do I believe had Dion not play DB and says, I'm gonna devote all my time to playing wide receiver. I believe time could have been made to the hall of fame as a wide receiver. He had that accountability. Yeah, he had that accountability. Like I said, people don't realize just how good he was. I mean, people, you know, look at. Look at the brashness, and they look at all the chains and the flashy stuff, but you had to see it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You got to see it in person. I ain't talking about no goddamn YouTube either.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gotta be on the field. Yeah, I saw him in his absolute prime. I saw defensive player of the year.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

I saw prime. Cowboy prime.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Atlanta prime.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I saw 49er prime.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, yes. We played him when he wasn't defensive player of the year when he had, when he first went to the 49ers. Yeah, he saw him. Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely. He was that. He absolutely was. So I'm rooting for Trav. I think he's one of the top two or three players in all the draft. Now, whether or not that equates to him going number one overall. You keep hearing about the kid out of. I keep saying kid, but the young man out of Penn State. Abdul Carter.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Abdul Carter.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But he has a stress fracture in his foot. Doctors I read today doctors are advising him not to have the surgery.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

There's no need. Did you see the season you just had? Did you see the season he just had with the stress fracture that they say is in his foot? Man. Come on now.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

They said. Doctors have advised Abdul Carter against foot surgery, according to his agent, Drew Rosenhaus. Carter, a potential first overall draft pick in the NFL, has a stress reaction in his right foot and was facing the possibility of surgery after test revealed the injury on Wednesday. But after undergoing further scans on his foot, Carter will work out Penn State Pro Day on March 28. Rosenhaus says he now considers the stress reaction a non factor to Carter's draft status. Ocho, remember you see what happens. He goes to the doc, he goes somewhere and what did they do? They give him the test and you got a boom boom. Remember we was having this conversation about the guy from the Hornets? He goes to other doctors.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But as good as Abdul Carter is, guess what's going to happen? He's still going to be in that top three?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh yeah, for sure.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Still going to be in that top. Top four.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know Elcho, if you got a quarterback, I need to go. I need to have somebody going to go get the quarterback. I need somebody to hunt his ass down.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So I need somebody to disrupt everything going on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. David's famous quote, quarterback must go down and he must go down hard and it needs to happen. It need to happen in the first couple of possessions. Hey, go back and look at the way the Raiders used to play back in the 70s and the 80s when it was really, it was no holds barred. You can't play like that now. Oo, but the quarterback, he must go down hard, right? Cause he's the head of the snake. Whatever I say kill the head ass, die later.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Everything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He controls everything. So you got to. You got to. And if the quarterback is the most important position. Ocho. I got to have somebody go track it back. I need that bounty hunter.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, what was that movie with Tommy Lee Jones? He was tracking people down. Wesley sniper types. What was that movie?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Tommy Lee.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, Tommy Lee Jones. What's Marshall? U. S. Marshall. U. S. Marshall. Remember that? You got to have a bounty hunter.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's what Miles gary. That's what T.J. watt. That's what an Abdul Carter. That's what a Michael Parsons. That's what a sweat. That's what those guys. Nolan Smith iii. That's what those guys are. I got to go get you. I got to go get you. I can't leave. I can't let you have a clean pocket. I need to create chaos in your life.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Young.

[Pat Surtain II]

Young boy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nice, though. Young boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Real nice. Yeah. And he was giving him hell. He was giving all the damn hell with one shoulder. He had one move, and they could barely stop that one move. I can imagine when he get. If he's healthy now. Oh, lord.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And he. He had. He had a nice little package to. To, you know, to his game. He gonna be nice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You look at how he's built. He's really angular, so that lets me know he can transfer speed, the power. He got a rip. He can overarm. He can just straight up bull you. He can get around the edge and dip. That's what all the rushes. You got to be able to bend the corner. Can you beat.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, he's not that big. He's a little undersized. He's probably gonna.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Probably weigh 235. I joke.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So show you a little underside. He's more like a Von Miller. Michael Parsons.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, yes, yes. Now, I think Michael probably like 2, 250 now. Yeah, probably 250, but earlier, but earlier. Oh, yeah, yeah. Those guys, the. The dts, the guys that be able to bend, I mean, they could be parallel to the ground. Ground turning that corner and guys trying to punch and they under the.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, that's special. He's special now. Oh, yeah, for sure. Listen, it's the reason he wore that 11 at Penn State now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. Well, that. That. That number was made famous by Michael Ward and What's the other guy name? Lavar. Lavar Erickson.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, Lamar, Remember Lavar's famous play where he jumped over the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jumped over the line. Yes. Yeah. The Superman play. And because, you know, bar was two. Courtney Brown was one. Courtney Brown went to Cleveland. LeBron went to the Washington. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So Courtney Brown.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh. The Eagles are reportedly a real threat to go after Miles Garrett. They expect Josh Wet to move on. Josh Wet is not the only one that's be moving on. I think it's Michael. Michael Williams. Williams, the other D tackle, he gonna be gone too. He'll be gone too.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, listen, I saw the reports today. The Browns are willing to negotiate with Miles Garrett.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't want that. Guess what, my new team gonna negotiate too.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, and he said no. He said no. And I'm sure they're probably going to stand firm unless they get an offer that they can't refuse. And I think that's what the Eagles will have to do in order to get Miles Garrett over there. Listen, with Howie, With Howie and, and.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I don't put a passer, I.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Don'T put nothing past him. Based on the way things have been going, you might, you, you miss a few pieces. But you add someone like Miles Garrett to that defense, man, you already got Jalen Carter.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Commander's. Commander's gonna be in play too, man. Miles Garrett is unwilling to negotiate a contract extension with the organization as his agents have apparently slammed the door shut on any discussion per Mary Kay Cabot. Listen when Mary Kay Cabot speaks about the Browns. Listen when Diana Rossini when she speaks about the jets, when Jane Slater speaks about the Cowboys. I hope you listening.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I hope you're listening when those women speak about an issue about said teams, they're plugged in. Yeah, I'm, I'm talking about plugged in like a hot comb. You know what I'm saying?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah, most definitely. Most definitely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Garrett remains firm. He no longer wants to be in Cleveland. Look, 29 year old defensive player of the year, 29 year old guys that have four consecutive 14 sack seasons, those guys don't grow on trees. And let me ask you this. Do you think there's a guy in the draft that can give you that kind of production over the next five years? Okay, so it doesn't matter where you are. I trade him. Now, if I'm, if I'm, a defense, you know, if I need something, something to shore up my defense. Phillis said we good offensively, we can get better defensively. And if that means, you know, we trade a couple of first round draft picks, you're probably going to have to throw in a talent, a young player. Ocho, you're probably going to have to do that, the commander, you're probably going to have to do that. But at that point in time. Look, look, I don't care nothing about them picks because I believe, Ocho, we're going to be picking 30th, 31st to 32nd anyway, because we're going to be in the championship game or the Super Bowl. That's what I believe. I know for certain I'm not getting a Miles Garrett with the 30th, the 31st and the 32nd pick. Now, I could, I could, but the likelihood isn't that good. Normally those guys, your Derek Thomases, your Bruce Smith and so forth and so on like that. Those guys, every once in a while you'll find a Johnny Randle that was an undrafted free agent. Oh, yeah, but that doesn't happen often, right? You'll find a diamond in the rough. You'll find a Terrell Davis or Shannon Sharp or Tom Brady in the later rounds. But more. Listen, don't you stake your career on trying to find diamonds in the rough.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, no, that ain't work.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You go belly up. You go belly up. But look, it all depends on Cleveland. What's your asking price? We know this Ocho. It's going to take two ones. Now, you're going to. If it's this draft, you're going to have to pick swap. So you have to. Hey, you're going to have to give up your pick because they keeping theirs. You have to give up this first year pick and next year's first round pick. Probably a second and a fourth, right? Or second and a third and probably a player.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Mm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Phil ain't got no problem feeling. Say, look, we picking 32nd. Guess what? We hope to be picking 32nd next year. And y'all can have it. Y'all can have them picked.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, most definitely. Long as we getting the results.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Long as we get Miles Garrett.

[Pat Surtain II]

That's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, what game hurts? A year six, you got Devontae. In year five, you got AJ man. Bro, I'm not worried about that. We gonna be good. Yeah, I'm not even. I'm not even. I'm not even concerned about those draft picks. Knowing where we are, what we have, who we are. Take them. Take them. You can't. You can't have Jalen Carter. You can't have Mikel Quinya. Mikael, you can't have him. Mitchell. Excuse me. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Kenya Mitchell.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't have him. Everything else.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ocho is in play is on the table, huh?

[Pat Surtain II]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

For Miles Garrett.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You just said Put Miles Garrett with.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Jaylon Carter and Jordan Davis. Boy, man, slap me. Slap me and slap me and call me silly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And. And you got Nolan Smith Jr. Yeah. Hey, young fella. Only 2:30, but he a.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He can go now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I heard. I saw him dropping offensive linemen at 2:30. He hitting 3:30 guys. 3:30. I know they talking about. It felt like trees falling on the head. Oh, so I'm talking about he in the grill. I'm talking about, hey, he putting his helmet under they chin. I'm fucking at 2:30, so. Oh, yeah, but Miles for an opportunity to get Miles Garrett. Guys like this Ocho don't become available at the age of 29. Normally, they have issues off the field. Issues. They're coming off multiple injuries.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Injuries?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he's uninjured. He's clean off the field.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's the kind of guy that you're willing. That's the guy that's not. No rolling the dice, but that's the guy that you says, okay, we'll give up two first rounds, we'll give up a second, we'll give up a third. And a young, talented player to get a guy like that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, absolutely. Let me grab water. Let me grab water, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go ahead. But Cleveland's gonna try everything. Chat to try to keep Miles Garrett. They think it's about money. Miles Garrett's like, bro, y'all just gave me a 125. I'm straight on the money issue. The problem is here, it's not the money. It's the winning. I got money. I'm getting money, but I'm miserable. Week five, we out of playoff contention. We got no hope, we got no quarterback, and I don't really want to waste another one. A year or two to try to build this thing back up. He's made it abundantly clear he don't want to be a part of a rebuilding process. He wants to go somewhere that gives him a legitimate chance in order to win a championship, because that's what it's about. He's been an All Pro. He's been defensive player of the year. Now he's like, man, let me go play meaningful ball games. There's nothing like playing meaningful ball games in December and January with a chance to play in February. So it's not the money. I mean, yeah, they gonna. They would be willing to make him the highest paid, but he gonna be miserable because they're not gonna win.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yep. And you. You would. You would think for all he's done so far, In Cleveland, he's done everything he can. They know the team knows, the organization knows it's in the rebuilding stage. Why would you keep a player like that? Why would you keep a player like that knowing that he can do you no justice and competing for a championship? Allow him to go while you rebuild and do your thing. Get some assets and picks for him and start over.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I agree. We say that now because we don't. Hey, if we. The gym in Cleveland, we ain't trying to let him go either.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah, you right.

[Pat Surtain II]

You're right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Me and you. Me and you said that. That. That's not. I. That's not the biggest piece of the puzzle that we got that we can trade. Right? And hey, come on, Mouth. Hey, bro, we're gonna make you the highest paid. We got 35 million per year. We're willing to give you five years, $175 million, because that's what we feel you're worth. And we're willing to get. We willing to fully guarantee a hundred million of that? Nah, I think I'm gonna have to go and mosey on out the door. Cause guess what? Somebody else will give me that too. And we got a chance to win.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yep. Which is much better because I didn't got enough money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you can't ever have enough money.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah, I know what you mean. Is that no such thing as enough, but I'm doing pretty well for myself.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You like to be doing better. I mean, if Elon Musk is worth 450 billion and he trying to. Still trying to get contracts. Federal government contract. Yeah, me and you, we ain't got no billions. So we definitely. We definitely tried to make ends meet.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Me, you're right by that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But yeah, Miles, I understand once you can only stomach so much and, you know. But money, money, money, money. Okay, When I got money, and then here I am, I'm going out there. What I put my body through to get ready to make sure I go.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What you looking at?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I'm looking at this. This chat we're trying to get. Trying to get Tank plugged in. Are we good to go ass yet? Okay, it's easy to say oo, money, money, money. But when you competitive and you see everybody else getting an opportunity to play meaningful football, you see everybody else playing in AFC and NFC championship games. They're playing in super bowl. And here I am, I'm one of the premier players years. I don't know what else he can do. And we don't have no chance. We got no chance whatsoever of playing meaningful games in December. We're not playing anything meaningful in January. Damn near week 10. I'm already thinking about what I'm gonna do in the offseason.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ocho season over.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So with that being said, I understand Miles's frustration. He's had it up to here, wherever here is, or his 64657. He just wants to move on and have an opportunity to play meaningful football in December and January, and I'm not so sure Cleveland can provide that over the next two years. And he says, I want to be somewhere where I can compete for a championship, and I don't believe that's in Cleveland.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, let the man go on about his business, baby. We still wait he come on right there down he come on down the street Know the Cincinnati if you want to the volume.

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