Nightcap Hour 1: Dan Quinn TO BLAME for Jayden Daniels’ INJURY? + Ocho’s BENGALS let him down AGAIN + Bills Mafia NEEDS to CALM DOWN

Summary

Club Shay Shay — Nightcap Hour 1: Dan Quinn to Blame for Jayden Daniels’ Injury? + Ocho’s Bengals Let Him Down AGAIN + Bills Mafia Needs to CALM DOWN

Date: November 3, 2025
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe ("Unc", 3x Super Bowl Champion), Chad "Ocho" Johnson (Former NFL Player, "Ocho")

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Overview

This lively Nightcap episode dives into key NFL storylines of the week with Shannon Sharpe and Ocho Johnson. The hosts tackle everything from the questionable decision to keep Commanders’ rookie QB Jayden Daniels in a blowout loss (and his resulting injury), to the Cincinnati Bengals’ painful defensive collapses and Ocho’s candid frustrations as a former player. The show closes with a breakdown of the Bills’ statement win over the Chiefs — and whether Buffalo can shake their big-game stigma. Expect lots of rapid-fire analysis, real talk on locker room dynamics, and the hosts’ trademark trash talk and banter.

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1. Seahawks Dominate, but Why Was Jayden Daniels Left In?

(08:56 – 13:48, 19:26 – 25:45)

• Seahawks roll over Commanders 38–14

  • Sam Darnold nearly flawless: 21/24, 330 yards, 4 TDs, 1 INT, zero sacks.
  • WR Jaxon Smith-Njigba (“JSN”) explodes for 8/129/1 TD, and is compared to top receivers in the NFL.
  • Seattle’s passing attack was unstoppable; defense “got out there.”

• Shannon questions Dan Quinn’s decision-making

  • “Dan Quinn, why in the hell was Jaden Daniels in the game? You’re down 38 to 7, right? This is why you remove your starter...” — [09:30, Shannon]
  • Daniels has been “nicked all year.”
  • Risk of more injury in a blowout (“You really think you’re gonna score 31 points in eight and a half minutes?” — [10:10, Ocho])

• On the injury itself: Not a ‘hip drop’ tackle

  • Sharpe and Ocho analyze the play: Daniels tried to brace his fall, leading to elbow injury.
  • “Just because someone gets injured, that doesn’t mean the play was illegal, right?” — [10:11, Shannon]
  • Sharpe shares personal injury experience and quick return: “I do believe he’ll come back. He can come back and play this week...it’s a non-throwing arm.” — [22:35, Shannon]

• Lesson for QBs: Learn to fall

  • Ocho’s advice: “Players have to learn to be able to fall... Just let your body go limp. There’s somewhat of an art to it.” — [23:00, Ocho]
  • Fluidity, not muscle bulk, is key for QBs when absorbing hits.

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2. Bengals Heartbreak & Ocho’s Pain: “I’m Numb”

(05:11 – 07:40, 31:01 – 43:10, 43:34 – 48:55, 49:00 – 58:31)

• Bengals’ wild loss, again

  • 2 consecutive games: Bengals score 38+ points... and lose both.
  • “Bengals are the first team since 1960 to score 38 points in back-to-back games and lose.” — [31:53, Ocho]
  • Flacco, “170 years old”, torches defense for 470 yards.

• Ocho’s defense rant:

  • “Our defense let us down again...which has always been our Achilles heel over and over and over again, year after year.” — [31:51, Ocho]
  • “All your money is tied up on offense,” Sharpe chides; Ocho agrees, citing team identity but points to lack of defensive competitiveness.

• Locker room dynamics:

  • “I’m numb to it. Like, you know how you go through something so much in life...at this point, I don’t even care no more. I care to an extent...” — [34:58, Ocho]
  • On defense: “Players only defensive meeting this week — what did they do? Talk about the Halloween party?” — [36:21, Shannon]

• Stats & breakdown:

  • Bengals offense: 500+ yards, 42 points, 2 receivers over 100 yards, special teams TD, multiple turnovers but still in position to win.
  • Defense: “Gave up 300 yards rushing and 300 yards passing” — [45:44, Shannon]

• Locker room cracks & public statements:

  • After the loss, defensive players (Jordan Battle, Shemar Stewart...) refused interviews.
  • Ocho prefers saying nothing over spilling emotions publicly: “Rather them not say anything at all...I don’t see that as showing cracks.” — [64:32, Ocho]
  • Sharpe: “When you win, everybody talking.”

• Ocho’s pain as a lifelong Bengal:

  • “I bleed orange and black. I’m numb, man. I’m numb.” — [59:04, Ocho]
  • “You think about this...you can only put a person through so much before what you do don’t bother them no more, huh?... I become numb.” — [57:53, Ocho]
  • Supportive, but “checked out.” — [56:03, Ocho]

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3. The “Soft” NFL?

(14:32 – 19:46)

• Debate: Are rules making defense too soft?

  • Ocho: “The rules have handicapped the defensive players. They scared to actually play football, to hit people. Everything is a flag.” — [14:32, Ocho]
  • Receivers no longer fear crossing the middle; “no threat” like there was in previous eras.
  • Sharpe: Without consequences, “there are no lessons to be learned.” — [19:26, Shannon]

• Implication:

  • Big offensive numbers are made easier by rules, but mistakes and lack of fundamental defense (failed tackles, poor eye discipline) also to blame for dramatic collapses like the Bengals’.

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4. Bills Mafia on a High — And Need for Calm

(66:05 – 74:28)

• Bills outduel Chiefs, but it’s only the regular season

  • Buffalo 28 – Kansas City 21: Chiefs lose 4th one-score game of season.
  • Patrick Mahomes finally held under 45% completions for first time ever (record snapped).
  • Sharpe: “That’s why you go get Joey Bosa. They couldn’t block him.” [66:42, Shannon]
  • Buffalo “did a great job” of exploiting Chiefs weaknesses, especially by matching tight ends on KC’s run-stuffing linebackers.

• Josh Allen’s efficiency

  • “Josh with a goddamn 23 for 26 for 273, a TD... Only three incompletions in a game? That’s crazy.” — [67:42, Ocho & 70:10, Shannon]

• But can the Bills do it in the postseason?

  • Ocho: “In the regular season, Josh Allen is 5 and 1 against Patrick Mahomes...but that is not where it matters. Can you get over the hump then?” — [68:01, Ocho]
  • “Bills Mafia needs to calm down — let’s see them in January.”

• Bills’ run game breaks Chiefs’ streak

  • KC gives up their first 100-yard rusher in 20+ games (James Cook: 27 carries, 114 yards).

• Player discussions: Keon Coleman “can’t beat man coverage”

  • “If you can’t beat man coverage in the NFL...there are two jobs available: car salesman and coaching.” — [71:16, Shannon]
  • Allen/Bills praised for creativity vs. KC defensive matchups.

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5. NFL Team Building, Quarterbacks, and Regrets

(72:24 – 75:52)

• Value of the Quarterback: Debating past NFL Drafts

  • Denver passing on Josh Allen for Bradley Chubb
  • Sharpe: “When you get an opportunity to get a quarterback — that’s a 15-year guy, you plug him in.” — [75:12, Shannon]
  • No matter how elite the defense, you “need a quarterback.” Using Rams/Aaron Donald as example: “It took a quarterback. Without him, you’re not doing it.” — [75:21, Shannon]

• Changing eras: Can’t win ‘the old way’ any more

  • Defense-only formula not viable in the “offensive” NFL, per rule changes and league trends.

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Notable & Memorable Quotes

• “Dan Quinn, why in the hell was Jaden Daniels in the game? You’re down 38 to 7, right?” — [09:30, Shannon]
• “Our defense let us down again...which has always been our Achilles heel over and over and over again, year after year.” — [31:51, Ocho]
• “I’m numb to it. Like, you know how you go through something so much in life...at this point, I don’t even care no more.” — [34:58, Ocho]
• “If you can’t beat man coverage in the NFL...there are two jobs available: car salesman and coaching.” — [71:16, Shannon]
• “You can only put a person through so much before what you do don’t bother them no more, huh?... I become numb.” — [57:53, Ocho]
• “Bills Mafia needs to calm down — let’s see them in January.” — Paraphrasing Ocho/Shannon’s shared skepticism

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Other Fun Moments

• Trash talk throughout: Ocho: “I’m like a chick in a relationship that checked out, man. I’m mentally checked out.” — [55:50]
• Charity hat giveaway: Shannon signs a special hat for listeners: “Nobody want no Bengals merch!” [53:16]
• Ocho’s undying Bengals devotion: “I bleed orange and black...I never loved nothing like them Bengals.” — [59:04, 60:14]
• Locker room shade: Shannon on the Bengals’ defense: “They was talking about the Halloween party? Man, what you going as?” — [36:21]
• Gallows humor: Ocho on Cincinnati fandom: “Number one selling thing right now? Brown paper bags — fans don’t even want folks to know they’re Bengal fans!” — [53:54]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [08:56] Seahawks–Commanders recap & Jayden Daniels injury debate
• [09:30] Shannon rips Dan Quinn for leaving Daniels in the blowout
• [13:03] JSN and Seattle WRs praise
• [14:32] Debate: Are NFL rules making defense too “soft”?
• [19:26] Defense/receiver safety changes, Bengals post-mortem
• [31:01] Bengals collapse & Ocho’s heartbreak
• [36:21] Bengals defensive meeting/Halloween party
• [43:34] Bengals defensive stats & pain escalates
• [49:00] Ocho checks out, “I become numb”
• [57:53] Emotional low point for Ocho, “You can only put a person through so much... I become numb.”
• [66:05] Bills-Chiefs breakdown; Mahomes struggles, Bills’ win
• [68:01] Ocho calls for playoff perspective: “Let’s see in January.”
• [70:10] Josh Allen’s historic accuracy
• [71:16] Shannon: “If you can’t beat man coverage — car salesman, coaching.”
• [72:24] Discussion on value of QBs, draft regrets
• [74:28] End of football content/transition to new segment

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Conclusion

This Nightcap episode encapsulated the essence of Club Shay Shay: passionate, unfiltered, and football-savvy. Sharpe and Ocho pulled no punches—be it calling out coaching mistakes, mourning defensive disasters, or tempering fan hysteria. If you missed it, you missed candid analysis, real locker room perspective, and the soul of a Bengals fan paying the emotional price of loyalty. As always, stay tuned for the next Nightcap, and remember: hope, heartbreak, and hilarity are never far apart in football.

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[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

You feeling good? You feeling good? Huh?

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Don't y' all love it? With a plan come together. 42 points, Ocho. 42.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Wait a minute. I told you that was a problem. I mean, I explained that.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

The problem is. The problem is you played for the Bengals. That's the problem. The Only problem we have here. You played for the Bengals.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hold on, wait a minute. Like, calm down, calm down. Listen, We. When I played, we had a decent defense. We had a middle of the pack defense, so we didn't have these issues. And when we scored, the middle of.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

The pack offense, too.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

No, no, I off. No, no, no, don't do that. That 2005. That 2005 season, we was ranked number two, number three in the NFL. Don't do that.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Oh, Joe. You played 11 years. Did you pick out one year?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah. That's all that matter. You. You play. You played 14 years. You only want you.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

I did okay.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

You had me. You had maybe as a team, y' all had maybe three good years. That was it.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Huh?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Huh?

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

That's it.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah, that's it. So that's it.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Let's see. 91, 93, 96, 97, 98, 02. Then I went two years. I went to play out about seven, eight times.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Okay, okay, listen, listen. You know what? The dealer gave you a good deck. Wait, let me. Let me finish. The dealer gave you a good hand. You did the most with the deck. You were there. I did the most with the deck. I was there and I played my hand real well. I can't. I can't by myself. Being that I play a team game, I play a team sport. I can only do so much. Hey, it's all good. It's all good. I know. I know how you feel. It's all good. Hey, listen. Hey, get. You get. Get your laughs off now. Get your laughs off now, because when we bounce back, I don't want to hear nothing.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

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[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah, okay.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

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[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

It's all good. It's all good. Hey, look, un, at this point. At this point, I become numb to it. Un. I.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

You should.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

I become numb to.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

You should. I'm so sorry, sir.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hey, yeah, hey, get. Hey, listen. Get your laughs off now. Hey, we gonna see who let we gonna see who last laughed, though. We gonna see who last laugh who laugh last.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

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[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah, okay.

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[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Absolutely. With the way he's, with the way he's performing this season up, he's definitely in that conversation. Can I tell you something? I just want to throw a little tidbit out there. You know, you notice all the players, all the players that came on down to the wide receiver workshop, you know, in July. You notice they having one hell of a season. They got damn JSN cut up today. He ate for 129, six consecutive games with 100 yards receiving.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

I think he might be the next receiver to go get 300. He can get 300. The game. If this game would have been close.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Oh he gonna get. He'd had two in this game. Oh, absolutely. If the game's close, absolutely. The the Seahawks moved to 6 and 2. Washington falls to 3 and 6 and we're going to get into the ball game. But I got one question that I want to ask DQ Dan Quinn, why in the hell was was Jaden Daniels in the game? You're down 38 to 7, right? This is why you remove your starter especially you can't remove all of them.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Right.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Some of your offensive linemen and some of the guys are going to have to play. But you get Jaden Daniels ass out of there. He's been nicked all year. Why was he in the game? So you actually think you're going to score 31 points in eight and a half minutes?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Absolutely not.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

That was not a. That Was not a hip drop tackle. He was getting spun down and he tried to brace himself. And that's normally what happened. You see a lot of that happen when a guy, if you go back and remember the Heat Celtics game, Rondo tried to brace himself and he dislocated his elbow. That, that happens a lot. Just because someone gets injured, that doesn't mean the play was illegal, right? That was not a hip drop tackle. But I just got one question. I just need to know. Why in the hell was he in the game? Down 31 with 8 minutes to go in the ball game. That's all I need to know. But the Seahawks look damn good. That's going to be a very tough division. The Rams look good. The Rams look good damn near every week. The 49ers look good today on the road with Mac Jones filling in again for Brock Purdy. And Seattle, with the way that defense got out there and Sam Darnold is dealing right now, man, that's the Cardinals notwithstanding. But as a division, I'm like, man, they look good. That division is tough. Whoever comes out of that division, right, they will be battle tested and you don't want to play them in the playoffs. But go ahead. Watching this game. What we'll talk about Washington after we talk about Seattle. What did you like about what you saw from the Seahawks?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hey, listen, the Seahawks look good. Huh?

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

They look good.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

They, they've done everything they can and there's a reason they paid s. Sam Darnold the way they paid him. I didn't know. Honestly, I didn't know. I, I, I was, I was, I was kind of skeptical. I know what Sam Donald did when he was Minnesota last year, but also hit what he had, the weapons he had with, with Addison, you know, goddamn Justin Jefferson. I say, where was easy. You put anybody, anybody back there and they would look like that. But that goddamn JSN Unc, he surprised me this year. He surprised me this year. Sam Darling is goddamn dealing. And again, I've said it time and time again. I'm like, I'm curious. I'm thinking to myself, I'm scratching my head. I'm like, well, God damn, what the hell is going on? Seattle, they unloaded off everybody. They let Geno Smith go. They let Tyler Lock it go. They let DK Metcalf go. A player of his caliber, a player of his talent that I see as, as a number one top 10 in the NFL at that. Well, okay, well, then I'm confused. Well, who do they got to lean on? Who do they have to lean on and Lord have mercy. JSN been cutting up since week one. I'm talking about cutting up since week one. If we were to talk about the top five receivers in the NFL today, JSN's name is probably the first one you mentioned. The first one you mentioned.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

He's playing unbelievable, crazy work, man. He's so quick. I mean, he's sudden.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yes.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

I mean, you see him catch that, you catch that. He called what we call a basic cross, man. You see him explode out of there. I mean, he's about to get up out of there, Ocho.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Oh, and the one Sam Darling hit the tight. Oh, when he shook him at the line, and heck, I was like, oh, my goodness.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah, he nice with it. And the funny thing about it. And the funny thing about jsn, Unc, he's not the fastest in the world. He's not. He's not a Tyreek fast. He's not. Not like a. A jamar Chase get the ball in his hands and he got that breakaway speed. But he can. He is so good.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

He worked quick than fast.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

He's more quick than fast. And he's so good at the line of scrimmage and being able to manipulate, you know, the route running and give the illusion he's doing one thing as opposed to the other. And he knows how to set everything up. He understands leverage, he understands coverage. And anytime they got one on one, anytime they got one and you get your lady, you get your silly ass up there, you play bump and run, you're gonna lose every time. And he showed it. That's why Sam Donald trust him so much. And anytime they got one on one, he checks up out of that. He going straight to JSN every time.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Oh, yeah, he. JSN is real deal. Now. They didn't run the ball as well as they would have liked tonight, Right. But they got everything they wanted in the passing game. Sam Darnold was not under duress. They couldn't pressure him. They. So they got everything that they wanted. You saw Horton. His first two catches were for touchdowns. You saw jsn, he got a touchdown. Arroyo. I'm just trying to figure. Guys, are y' all going to tackle anybody? What's up? What's up with all this? This shoulder thumping. Yeah, man, put somebody on the damn ground.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Everybody trying to get a big hit, and what ends up happening is that when you hit him, you carry, you make him go off. Somebody else happened in your game?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Oh, all you got the tight end.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

In the middle of the field.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Yes. Just tackle him.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hold on. You know what? Then this is the problem. Let me tell you why everybody's scared to hit. Let me tell you why. Because the goddamn rules. The rules have handicapped the defensive players. They scared to actually play football, like to play. They scared to hit people. Everything, everything is a. Everything is a flag. You can't hit him. You can't hit that. Oh, this is target. I mean, it's like it's wrap him up. Oh, I. I feel you. I understand you. But sometimes we don't wrap up. If you hit him hard enough without wrapping up, you know what they do most of the time? Either they cough the ball up or they hit the goddamn ground.

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[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

I turned off news altogether.

[Colin Cowherd]

I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything.

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[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

It feels like it's trying to divide people. We got clear facts. Maybe we could calm down a little.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

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[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Now you got, now you got receivers, you got tight ends. They feel so comfortable catching the ball across the middle because there's no threat and there's nothing to worry about anymore. There's nothing to worry about. You got receivers across the middle. Unk, hands on the hip, one hand in the air because you can't hit them. There's nothing to think about. When we played, you have to think about what's to come. Once you catch the ball in the middle, you already brace the board. You ready for it now? Oh man.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

I mean, think about how many think about how many times you seen Bijan Robinson catch a one hand pass. Drake London had about three of them today in the Patriots game. Why? Because there are no consequences of repercussions at all when there were consequences and repercussions. See, that's the only way you can, or the only way you can learn a lesson is there has to be consequences from your actions.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Absolutely. Absolutely.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Because without consequences, there There, there are no lessons to be learned, right? That being said, Washington 3 and 6, they got off to a shaky start. Jayden Daniels, 16, 22, 153. No touchdowns, one interceptions. They had 36 rush attempts, 157 yards. But you can't, you can't spot a team. You can't spot a team. 28, 21.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

28, 21. I don't know if you. See, you don't play Madden, huh? You don't play Madden. Once you score 21, 21 points, the game is over. The game is over. Even in NFL we have a good defense like the Seattle Seahawks. That game was over once they went up 21 zip. It was a wrap. I knew at some point they were going to take their foot off the gas because it happens all the time. Coaches have some kind of goddamn pack where you're not going to run the goddamn score up. Hell, you had 28. It was 28 at the half, right, If I'm not mistaken. Right? Yeah, 20 at the half. And they ended the game with 38. Yeah, man, listen, they came off the pedal, they started running the ball a little more and I mean they could, they could have put a 50 ball on if they wanted to. Hey, Mr. McDonald could have put a 50 ball on him if you wanted to.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

It, what happens is, is that you get ahead and then the points come so easy. Yeah. I mean, they fumble the ball in the next play, you're in the end zone.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

In the end zone. Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

And then, you know, you get a pick and the next thing you know, the guy goes 60 yards for a touchdown. So it's so easy, right? It's like, well, damn. And then they just, and, and, and, and Washington really could, they were shooting themselves in the foot. Illegal formation procedure. They were just doing a lot of silly dumb stuff. And it, it, and when a team is rolling like Sam Donald and the Eagles off and excuse me, and the Seahawks offense was rolling, the last thing that you want to do as the opposing offense is put your defense right back on the field. Ocho. I mean, they score a touchdown, they kick off, they pull it out. Your defense right back on the field. Now, mind you, your defense just gave it up. Just gave it up. And you don't want them right back out there, right. Turn the ball over on special teams, you turn the ball over on offense. But I, look, this game was, I, I, this game was a blowout from the jump. The only thing. Now I just gotta ask dq, and I'm sure that the reporters are asking him Damn. Why was Jayden Daniels in the game at that point in the game?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Right?

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

The game, for all intents and purposes, was over. I know. Look, don't give me that it's not over to the whistle blows until you saw what Tom Brady. The score was 283 at the half. The score was not 38 to 7 with 8 minutes to go.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Right.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Jaden Daniel should not have been in that game. There is nothing to be gained. What you try to do, get him some cheap stats? Nah. Hey, Mario, you're up. That's what should have happened, right? The guy, he. Hold on. He missed a couple of weeks. Didn't he miss last. Hold on. Didn't he miss last week's game? Jaden? Yeah, he missed last week's game. He just got back.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah. Hey. What, what, what's. What, what's. What do you think happened to him?

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

It looked like he dislocated his elbow because he's ocho. He's going down and he's trying to brace himself. So all that weight and plus being slung down and you see, I dislocated mine.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

And, and how it bent like this. It bent back up the other. This is not. It's. It's really, really painful. It's really, really painful. I do believe he'll come back. He can come back and play this week.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

It's normally a two to four week injury. I was four, had to play with a brace. This is non throwing, so he should be fine. The question is how much pain can he endure and can he protect himself?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Right. And, and also, also when you get tackled like that. I know when the hip tackle, I mean, players have to learn to be able to fall. Learn how to fall with the pressure. You go with it, you don't fight against it. You know, there's no need to brace in that instance. Just let, let your body go limp. Just let your body go and just be free. When you, when you, when you're in a relaxed state and you're not tensed up, you will be fine. It's, it's, it's. There's somewhat of an art to it. It's somewhat of an art to it. It's hard for me to explain, but as someone who played very recklessly despite, despite my, my, my small frame and small stature, I never got hurt. I understood how to fall and how to, how to flow with tackles. Understanding, you know, the size difference in goddamn physics, you know, for that matter. And I was like gumby, I got hit, I got thrown around. I lost every Battle, you know, I know trying to challenge people, but I never got injured because I understood how to fall and how to protect myself.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

The thing is, Ocho, he didn't want to get thrown on his shoulder because you got to realize they ain't got no shoulder strength. They don't really do nothing. Upper body because they want fluidity.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

They're throwing motion. So they can't be tight up here. So they. You look at quarterbacks. Quarterbacks got narrow shoulders. That's why they good at golf.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Because they don't have tight. We. I have to work. Most people work out their shoulder because they want some up there. But that's not what a quarterback does. A quarterbacks won't. He want fluidity.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah, you're right.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

So you can't be all. Can't all be all tight up here. That's why a quarterback. Oh, he. No, no, no, no. I would give me. Give me. Somebody got that shaped like a pair of. That's what I want. I don't. I don't want. I don't want no shape. Like if you're a quarterback shaped like a what a pair. Look at quarter. Look at quarterback and pitchers. Now you see who golf. When they go to celebrity golf tournaments, right. You see who win. Pitchers and quarterbacks.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Right.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

A guy like a Steph Curry. Basketball players, they don't really be lifting all this stuff up here.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Right.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Cause they want fluidity. But most. I'm shocked that they left Jaden Daniels in the game, down 31 points with eight minutes to go. What do you hope the game. Well, you know, he missed last week. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, hold on. Bro, you better get him some reps in practice. Because you got to realize you can't control the game.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Right.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

They still trying to tear his damn head.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Head off. Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

In a game, in a practice, you could control it. They get close, you blow the whistle. And he got a red jersey or black jersey on, meaning he's off limits to be touched.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Right.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

But in a actual game, they still going full speed, don't y'?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

All?

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

And most coaches. Most coaches in that situation would have removed Jaden Daniels from the game.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Ab.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

He should have been removed from the game. There was nothing. There was absolutely nothing. Nothing to gain except what? You got nothing to gain to be gained. An injury. That's what could be gained, and that's what you got. Damn. But Seattle look good, man. That's gonna be a Seattle with Seattle and the Rams. Them quarterback. The way their quarterback playing. Hey, they did that Puka back. Now Puka got ding too. He got, he got slammed on his shoulder. Yeah, you see, he left. I don't know if he came back in, but he and Devonte was dealing. Devonte had I think another two touchdown game today.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

See that, that's, that's back to back.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

That can play a Matthew Stafford's playing as good, if not better than what he played in that super bowl year. Ocho, Ocho, Ocho's. Hurry, hurry, hurry. Step right up.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah. Hey, take your time now. I know, I know you feeling good. I know you're feeling good.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

I feel Tony the Tiger.

[Colin Cowherd]

Great.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Now where were we? Now I, I mean, I know y' all gonna put that on the defense.

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[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

I turned off news altogether.

[Colin Cowherd]

I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything.

[LEGO Star Wars Sponsor]

It's the rage bait.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Colin Cowherd]

We got clear facts. Maybe we could calm down a little.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the Facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News reporting for America.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Whoa, whoa.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Who you are?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. You stop right here. Who you gonna put it on? Please explain who you're gonna put it on.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Did y' all have any turnovers?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Okay, yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

How many turnovers did you have?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Two. Oh, it was three. Okay, okay.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Let me ask you a question. Okay. We had those turnovers help or hinder your ability to win this game? Did they help or hinder it?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

It hindered. It hindered.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

So let's just say for the sake of argument, talk to me, instead of having three turnovers, you have one and you score a field goal or you score a touchdown. Could this have been different?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah, we won the game. But you know, it's a game of football, Lunk. There were three turnovers. We still put ourselves in position to win the game. We were in position to win the game. And you know what happened? You know what happened? Our defense let us down again. Our defense let us down again.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Even.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Even with those turnovers, we were in position to win the game. The Bengals are the first team since 1960 to score 38 points in back to back games and lose. God Damn. Joe Flacco, 170 years old and threw for 470 yards and we still lost the game. Defense again, which has always been our Achilles heel over and over and over again, time and time and time again and year after year after year. I understand that the offense is our identity. It's always been our identity, even back to when I was playing. We have always been an offensive team, an offensive unit. But at some point you gotta, you gotta compete, you gotta play, you gotta want. You gotta want to.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

All your money is tied up on offense. It doesn't matter where you have to win the game.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hello. Hello. Hello.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Let me ask you a question.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

We scold 38.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

How many. Let me ask you a question. How many 20 million dollar defensive players do you guys have? One, you got three $30 million, you got two $30 million that play the same position just opposite of each other and you got a 50 million dollar quarterback. So where is all your money? Tied up.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

On offense. I mean that. Oh, hold on, wait a minute, Unc. That's our identity though. I mean every, every team is like that. There's no team that's. That. That's damn near even like that. Look at the Cleveland Browns. Where's all their money? Tied up on the defensive end? Yes, Cincinnati.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

So guess what you're gonna have to do. So guess where you have to win the games at?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Offense. He's going 38. This is the NFL.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

We scored 38, you gotta score 48.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Huh?

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

You scored 42 with three turnovers. If you don't turn the ball over, how many you score?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Ocho shoot about a 50 ball and some change.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Exactly. 50 ball wins you the ball game.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

But listen, check. Check this out, right? Listen to this. Hey, Chat, y' all stop laughing too. I know y' all probably laughing too. I'm. There ain't no laughing matter. Because I'm pissed off today. Hey, listen, we kicked off, we had A kickoff return for a td. We had a block field goal on site, kick recovery. We had 500 yards of offense, two wide receivers, 100 plus yards, 15 points. We score 15 points in less than a goddamn minute. 40. 42 total points scored, 42 point. If you were to. If you was to read off what I just said to somebody who didn't watch the Bengals game, the first thing to say, oh, well, God damn all that. I know Y' all won 42 points and we still lost. Yes, despite the turnovers. Despite the turnover. But this is the game of football. You want to minimize the errors as much as possible. That's why we practice. We practice to minimize the errors as much as possible. But they happen, huh? They happen. It's football. As much as you practice, you want to be as perfect as possible. But happens. And it happened today.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Matter of fact, been that close anyway, because. Oh, boy, Edmonds picked that ball off. Y' all got it, touched that man down. That should have been a touchdown to the house.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hey, honestly, I'm numb to it. I'm numb to it. Hey, I'm so numb to it. I'm numb to it. Like, like, like, like, like. You know how you go through something so much in life and. And it happens to you so much often it's like, you know what? At this point, I don't even care no more. Like, I. I don't even. I don't even care no more. Like, I, I care. I care to an extent. But I mean, this is back to back the Jets. The jets last week. And then on top of that, and then on top of that, the Bears, like, Come on, man. And listen, the Bears ain't no joke because. Hey, yes, Talk to me real quick. Before the season started, who are the two teams I said everybody needs to watch out for this year?

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Bears and the Panthers.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Okay, so again, I'm not talking trash about the Bears because I already said I knew what they were going to look like. I knew what they were probably going to do with addition to Ben Johnson as offensive coordinator and head coach, calling those plays with Caleb Williams and the talent that he has. But come on, man. Two weeks in a row, scored over 38 points and lost both games. And. Oh, come on. My deep, my defense. Listen, they just said they just had a defensive meeting. They just had a players only defensive meeting this past. Who did they was doing? The Bengals. They was.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Oh, they was talking about what costume. They talking about the outfits that they go to the game. They ain't discussed no game plan.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Man, listen, man, at some point they.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Talk about the Halloween party. Man, what you going ass. Yeah.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hey, when it comes to tackling, sometimes it's just about want to, it's about want to, it's about want to. It's about wanting to get the individual putting the hat on a pad. You're wearing pads for a reason. Put your goddamn pads on. Somebody wrap up. If you ain't gonna wrap up. Make sure it's clean. Keep your eyes open before you make contact. Everybody close your eyes. Do. Do your best Mike Singletary job is possible. Open your eyes wide open. Make the tackle ensure it. God damn.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

The Bingo score two touchdowns in a span of 49 seconds to erase a fifth a 14 point lead the Bears. But the Bears pulled their fifth win of the season when Williams delivered a 58 yard touchdown to rookie tight end Colston Loveland with 17 seconds remaining. The Bingoes are the first team in the Super bowl era to allow 500 plus yards and 38 plus points and have zero takeaways in consecutive games. Oo, let's take a listen to what Chase Brown had to say after this game. We just got to play complimentary football. Like we put the ball in the end zone and go up a point at the end. Finish the game. Like just end it like that's it. Like that's, that's like that's what we need to do. Just end the game. Like make them, make them get us the ball back. Let us go to 22 victory and let's end the game. That's how, that's like, that's how I feel if he said that. Because let me tell you how, how we are.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Go ahead.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

As an athlete, when you're frustrated, what you say publicly.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Is not nearly as bad as what you say behind closed doors.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Absolutely not.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

It's not nearly as bad. It's when you in the shower or when you walk in the locker room, you a. You saw Chase walking out the field in the tunnel saying one effing stop. But he said, I can't say too much because I don't want to.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah, yeah. Don't do it, don't do it, don't do it, don't do it.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

But I. Look, you talking to a guy that can speak from experience.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yes, sir.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Because I was on that 2000 Ravens team. We went five weeks and didn't score a touchdown. Let that sink in for a second chat. We went five weeks five 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. We didn't score a touchdown.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

And it could have splitted the team. But at the time, myself, Rod and Ray, we did everything together. And I told man, I said, ray, y' all have been outstanding. But the thing that I love about football, they don't take units to the super bowl. They take teams. So now what you can do is be supportive publicly. Yes, we gonna get our things fixed. We're not gonna be. We're not gonna be the Minnesota Vikings of 1980, 98. We're not gonna score 35. That's not what we are. But we can do a better job of taking care of the football. Give y' all week a, y' all will have to make 14 or 17 stick. Cause we not gonna be putting up no 30s. I'm just gonna tell you right now. So if you looking for a 30 something, right, that ish ain't happening. So get your mind and says, hey, they gonna give us a 10 point lead and we might have to make 10 stick.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

But complaining and publicly State. Stick together. Yeah, stick together. I know it's frustrating. Hell, I'm frustrated because we coming out the field and the fans booing, but they don't know I'm booing too. They're like, man, you hear them booing? Yeah, I hear him booing. I'm booing right along with him.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah. I mean, listen, we suck, you know, because we did. Yeah. I mean, honestly, I mean, with offensive players have to understand, you got to be careful what you say. Especially, you know, as an officer player. You got to be careful what you say because listen, it's going to come games. We still got along, we got ahead. We got a long season ago.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

He's gonna be games, Ocho.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hey, we got a long season to go and you don't want to be making mistakes. And you have defensive players calling out the offense as well. So it, it can get. It can get real petty.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Doesn't it always work out like that when guys complain about the ball? Yeah, they throw it to him. What happens, Ocho?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

They drop it, you drop it.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Yep.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

I mean, think, hey, think he get real petty in that locker room. They don't need to splinter. I think Chase Brown and you know, Jamar, you got to be careful with some of the things you say. Be supportive of your defense even though you are losing. Some of the things you really want to say, don't say it. You know, keep it in your head. Just be supportive as much as possible because things are going to turn around. Maybe not for the better, but they're going to be games where the defense plays well and then the offense Is shit. It's going to be.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

You remember when y' all went to the Super Bowl? Joe Burrow got sacked nine times at Tennessee.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Defense took the ball away. Look at what they did in Kansas City. Took the ball away.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Look, now, the way you guys are set up.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Up.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

You guys are set up. You base. And it's hard to play like that. I told you this last year, I say, I, I. Joe knows that if I leave anything on my plate, they're gonna eat it.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

So I. I've got Ocho. I got to clean the plate.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah, you got.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Which means every possession, he got a damn near score. He got a damn near score because his. His defense, they can't. They don't take the ball away. They don't generate pressure. I mean, I'm looking at this game, I'm like, y' all are just. Y' all just bad. I mean, they're just bad.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Now this. Oh. Oh, shoot. My bad. I'm tripping. This dude. Flacco was 31 for 47 faux TDs and 470 yards. 470 yards at 40 something years old, T. Higgins has seven for 121 in the TD. I don't. I don't even. I don't even know what chasing two TDs. I don't even know what chase numbers was earlier.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

6, 4, 1, 11.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

6 4, man.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Brown had 8 for 75. ISO had 5 for 66. Hudson had 2 for 42. Noah Fan had 2. 28 on the tub and Tinsley had 1 for 27.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hey, they got. Hey, man, that Flacco was dealing, boy. Like, it's like, I mean, for us to play, the way. For us to play as well as we are offensively, despite the woes, despite the turnovers, you want to do everything you can to minimize those because you understand that our defense is not that good. We're not that good on any level, whether it be the back end, hell, the second level, hell, the front level, for that matter, you know. No, no disrespecting the boys, but I mean, it just is what it is. Offense.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Go ahead.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

I'm not. I'm gonna say office. They got they as well as they played today. You just can't turn the ball over because we came. You can't make up for it, knowing.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

What, you know, how. How poor your defense is.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

What's the last thing that you want to do? Turn the ball on. Put this our ass back out there. Because think about it, Ocho. If they're driving the field if they're driving 75, 80 yards, right, what's going to happen if you give them a short field? If you can't stop it from going 75, 80, what makes you gonna stop making. What makes you think you can stop it from going 30?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah, you're not. You're not.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

I mean, they run it, man. They run it. They run. Hey, it's the first time. How long. I forgot how long they said it's been. A quarterback called two passes in a game. That's what they doing to y'. All. Yeah, they throwing passes to the quarterback. Not one, two.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

I would understand. You know, that's that. That's that Ben Johnson creativity.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

That's what I do for y' all because I know y' all can't stop nothing we do.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Well.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Nothing. Who would.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

He.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Who would even subject their quarterback to possibly getting. Hello. Remember RG3 tried to catch a pass against the Steelers. RG3 laid him out on the side.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

When he got hit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

That's what you do. They said they ran a street Ocho. I get it on the goal line. You lose sight. I mean, they. They hand it to the guy and he talks it to DJ Moore. Yeah, DJ More. Throw a touchdown. Yeah, they ran a screen with a quarterback.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

You, You. You understand, the point of that play is to confuse the defense. You get him going one way and you get him going another way, and whoop. The quarterback always sneaks out the back end because eyes. Eye discipline. Eye discipline. You put your eyes in the wrong place, all of a sudden you lose the man you're supposed to have. Most of the time when you see reverse and they go one way and then the ball coming back the other, you lose the quarterback. You lose the quarterback and where he is. That's why he was wide open like that. That's why it's called a trick play. I think it might have worked. It might have worked on any team, especially down there at that time.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Let me ask you a question. Somebody's already responsible for the quarterback. When you run the bootleg, it's the defensive end. Or if somebody has the quarterback.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Oh, he got. He got sucked in. Well, he done crashed down on the goddamn sweet.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

That ain't his responsibility. You see what you see? You see what happens if you try? If. Look here, if I do my job and something goes awry? I did my job right, because the last thing I want to do is do somebody else job. And then all of a sudden my job go attended unattended. Who they gonna blame? Ocho Exactly.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yep.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

That's not your responsibility.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Damn.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Do your responsibility, Ocho. Today y' all gave up. Y'.

[Commercial Announcer]

All.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Y' all gave up damn near 300 yards rushing and 300 yards passing.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hey, that wasn't necessary. We know that part. You didn't have to bring that up. We know that.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

We 37 for 283. Did y' all pinch him? Did y' all trip somebody? I tripped somebody.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

I. I know. I know, and I'm. I'm upset, too.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Stop all that running in the hall. They got hard. They only get no hall pass. You didn't have a hall pass. You know you have to get a pass to be in the hall. Y' all didn't. They in your house, and they ain't got no hall pass.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

You're right.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

They just running. Y' all ain't triple. Y' all didn't pinch them. Y' all ain't do nothing.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

We gonna be all right, though. We're gonna be all right now. Hey.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

No, you're not.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

You know, I kept.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

I told you this. I say by the time Joe Burrow is healthy enough to come back, y' all might as well leave him. Yeah, you might as well leave him where he is.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hey, you know, we on the bad week, huh?

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Y' all probably give up 40 on that one. I bet y' all give up 40 points in the back.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hey, hey. But. Hey, that hurt, boy. Hey, boy, watching that game today. Well, that hurt to be able to be able to come back like that. The score. Amount of points. The score. The amount of points we did in a short time span. Down 14. Come back. Oh, you know what? We got this one sealed up. And here we go. Three people. Three people surrounding the rookie titan. And nobody brings them down.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Cause everybody tried to go for the big hit. Get him on the ground. Hey, the. The. The rule of thumb is, Ocho, live to see another day. Yeah, that's all.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

See another day.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hey, but that's. That's. I don't even know what to say.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

I mean, Tyler best yet. He completed the pass. DJ Moore completed the pass. I mean, even Cole Quebec tried to throw one. I mean, how many people that. I mean, think about that chat for just a second. They allow four people to attempt to pass in an NFL game. Not Pop Warner, not college. Not. Not hide. Not intramural in college. In a NFL game.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

With the NFL logo, they allow tight ends and receivers to throw a pass against the Bengals. It's embarrassing.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Listen. It's embarrassing. It is. It is.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

It is.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

That there's not much I can do it. I've done all I can to try.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

You can't do nothing.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

I know. And I've done all I can to try to defend it. I can't even defend it at this point. Like, it's. It's trash. It's trash. What, what we're. This playing, what we putting out there is the players aren't playing well. And it makes Zach Taylor look bad. It makes the defensive coaches look bad, because there's no way in hell. Well, did you practice all week? What did you do? Anything defensively, offensive? They showing up every goddamn week.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

I mean, cj, Gardner, Johnson, get off his couch and come get a sack. The man, he, he, he got. He came in and just off the couch say, damn.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah, it's. I'm numb to it at this point, man. Last year.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Don't be numb.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hey, listen, last year, around this time, last year, around this time, two back to back losses like this, I would have been on the show in tears, man. I can't even cry no more.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

I'm should be.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hey, listen, I'm. I'm all cried out. I can't. I can't cry. I can't even cry no more. I can't even.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

And Cold Jam all cried out.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah, I am. I am. What you know about that? What you cried. Hey, what you know about Lisa? Lisa and Cold Jam? What you know about that?

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

That's my era.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

What I know, that's that, that's that Jam.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Now, I mean, Ocho, the fact of the matter is, and I know, look, defensively you had the situation, but you know, your defense is porous. You can't turn the ball over. You still turn the ball over three times. How many points did they score on those turnovers?

[Commercial Announcer]

See.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

They were eight or 15 on third down, there was two or two on fourth down, they had six. They had 576 total yards and 11 drives. Y' all had three turnovers, two interceptions. Y' all had a special teams touchdown. How many? Three. They only scored three points. So your defense did do something. They only held them to three points after the turnovers.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah, mysterious. I mean, hey.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Turn. Oh, yeah, yeah, that, that. We don't count that. That pick, that pick. So they had two turnovers. So we ain't going to. We ain't. We going. We ain't going to even count that last interception. Okay.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Okay.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

All right.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Appreciate that. So we, we had to. But still, you. You don't. You don't want them. You. You can't. You Can't.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, who?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Huh?

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

In the red zone, they were four or six. You was two for four.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Two for four? Yeah. Damn.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Kicking field goals in the red zone. Get your beat, get your ass kicked. Scoring touchdowns in the red zone. You kick somebody else's ass.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah. Damn.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Don't cuss. Call Gus. I feel good. I feel good.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

I know you do. I know you do. I know. I know you feel good. Listen, there's not much I can do. Yeah. They're not so good.

[Colin Cowherd]

So good.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

I got you. Yeah.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hey. It is what it is.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

It is Broncos world. And it wouldn't be nothing if the Bengals didn't suck.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

It's all good.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

It's all good.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Our offense is better than Ys.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Ocho. Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's what we doing now? Yeah.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

I'm just saying.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

What's our record? Hold up. Our record is 7 and 2. What's your record?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

We 3 and 6 now, huh? 3 and 6.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Wow.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

It's all good.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

It ain't looking good for y'.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

All. I know. I know. I know it's not. I know.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

You know. Good.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

It's all good. It's all good. We'll be ready next year.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah. I told you, I'm going.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

I'm preparing for next year.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

I told you. I say the Bing. I say y' all gonna lose to the jets and y' all gonna lose to the Bears.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah. Are you able.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

I just wanted to tell me. Hey, Chad. Do y' all know what happened to Brother Browning? You know Brother Browning? Yeah. What happened to him?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

He. He right there on the bench.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

You see. You see Flacco dealing each week, though?

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

I don't. Hey, I don't care about that. I don't care about the most stats.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hey, it is.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Y' all like my hat? This is a, I think Hispanic Heritage Month for the NFL. I'll be giving this hat away. See, I signed it 84 HOF 3 time Super bowl champ.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

I thought nobody want that.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Whoa. What? I guarantee you don't nobody want no Bingles. Merch.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah. Hey, if my name on it, they do.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

They don't want this.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

It's the thing. Hold on. Stay with me real quick. As bad as we plan, right?

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

As bad as we plan defensively, however it is, whatever it may be, like that. That A5. That A5. Any memorabilia, hats, jerseys, is still a great representation of that organization, whether they winning or whether they losing the number.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

You know what the number one selling thing is in Cincinnati right now?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Ocho?

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Brown paper bags. Cause don't nobody want to know that they're a bingo fan. They put bags over the head. That's the number one selling thing in Cincinnati.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Wait. Wait a minute. No, no, no, no. Not with. No, no, not. It's not. Not with the offense playing as well as it is you losing.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

You. Hey, Chat, you hear? You see how he separate? You see the difference?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

I don't have. I don't have a choice but to separate it. I ain't got no choice.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

So what did you do? So let me ask you a question. Y' all scored 42 points. Y' all was two or four in the red zone. So what happened on those other two possessions?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

And every. Every time we come on here, we talk about the Bangles, I say, what's. What's the problem that we always have? What has always been our Achilles heel? It's been our defense. If we score 50, the other team score 55. If we score 60, the other. Keep the other teams.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

How did you get that 50, though? So let me ask you a question. When you's in the red zone, you score 50. If you score the two more. If you score two touchdowns on that, now you got six.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. The other team gets paid, too. Every time you get to the goddamn.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

You should have scored in the red zone. I mean, field goal, kicking, field. And remember Chicago, Mr. Field go bad.

[Commercial Announcer]

Bad.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

You didn't hear me, though. Every time you get to the red zone, you know it. Because it's that much more difficult to score. Once you get down there, there's not much.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Why would it be so difficult? When y'. All. Wait a minute, Higgins.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Wait a minute.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Y' all got no fan. Y' all got Chase Brown. Y' all got Flacco wheeling and dealing. Why would it be so difficult?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

I'm g. Tell you why. I'm g. Tell you. We wheel and deal in the open field. When you get down in the red zone, there's not that much room, and there's only so much you can do. It becomes that much more difficult to score in the red zone. You know that once you go inside the 20, oh, it gets tough. You understand that?

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, I don't want to hear nothing about no labor pains, okay?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

It's cool.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

The. Deliver me a healthy baby. I'm gonna rub your head, baby, and tell you everything's gonna be okay. You're doing amazing. I gotta. I got this. I got this Range Rover lined up for you. You got a Birkin bag coming. Just bring me a healthy Shannon. That's all.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Okay?

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

I Don't want to hear nothing about what you're talking about.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

It's all good. It's all. Listen, I'm. Hey, I'm like a chick in a relationship that checked out, man. I'm. I'm mentally checked out. You.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

But you already do. I do. I knew that when you checked in. I know you were. You came for no good reason.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah, I'm. I'm checked out. Hey, it's still my team. It's still my team. It's just like. It's just.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Well, just. Just what? It's never just.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

No, my heart.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

It's never just. There's always a reason.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Is it My heart.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Get in your car and just sit there. Or do you get in your car to go to the gym, or you get in your car to go to the airport, or you get in your car to go take your lady out to eat? So it's never just. There's always a reason. So what is the reason? You giving up on your team?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

We. We playing bad. It's hurting me. It's hurting me. Yeah. You know, sometimes. Sometimes you got to learn to let go. Sometimes you got to learn to disconnect. Like WI fi. Like Bluetooth. You got.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

No, don't let go. Don't let go.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

No, I'm saying.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

I'm saying let.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Letting go to the point where the. The losing. It doesn't affect you personally. See, because it was in you.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Listen, I just want to know, is the bingo. Is it on you or is it in you? Because if it's on you, you can brush it off, but if it's in you. It hurts.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah. Yeah, it does. It hurt.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

It hurt like shot. They say it hurt like brand new shoes. Yeah. Yeah. You know how brand new shoes hurt?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

You couldn't wait to get somewhere you could take up. Take your shoes.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Most definitely. Most definitely. Most definitely. Yeah. But listen, once you become number one.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Now, you ain't numb. You ain't got no Novocaine, you ain't got no Xylocaine. You ain't got no Marcane. You got no. No, none of that. I need you to feel this.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

I can't. I can't feel it no more. Huh? Huh? I can't. I can't. Hey, Young. I can't. I can't feel now I pinch myself. I can't even feel that. I can't feel pain right now.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

You love your bangles?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

I do. I do.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

See, love is the only thing that's worse than death. Because you Alive. To feel that hurt.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

To feel that pain.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Let me tell you something.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

That suffering.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Let me tell you something. You think about this. You can only put a person through so much before what you do. Don't bother them no more, huh? We didn't all been there before. I don't need to explain this in depth. We didn't been there before. You done did this. You done got away with it. You done apologized, and you keep doing it over and over and over and over. And that at one point, that individual. But mentally, they not even there, you know? So I'm at that point now. Well, God damn, I'm getting the same results every week. I get hyped up. I'm hyped. Okay, one o', clock, we playing so and so. And at the end of the day, it's the same result. I become numb.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

I become. No, I can't know why.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hey, I. I can't. I ain't got no tears that. I ain't got no tears tonight. That's how you know it's something wrong with me.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

You got. You got 25 years invested. See, when you got that kind of time.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Even though you say you checked out, it still hurt because you like, I just spent 25 years of my life with this person, and it's coming to an end.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Well, you know what? If you know me, you.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

If I cut you right now, you blue. You. You bleed orange.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

I bleed. I bleed orange and black. Oh, excuse me. Bless me. Bless me.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, excuse your. Excuse you. I don't know what. Hey. I don't know what he got, but I want him to keep it chat.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

I ain't got nothing. I ain't got nothing. It's all good.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

But that being said, your bangles, all the bangles, gonna do so much. You get on here every year and pontificate. You blow me ate about how your bangles.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

And every year. Yeah. Disappointment.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

See and see. You see what I'm saying? Disappointment. Expectations. Expectations make a fool of us all. I learned that real well. But listen, there's something that. If you know me real well, right? There's something that I'm really good at doing. You hear me? Stay with me real quick. If you know me, I can love like no other. But on the other hand, when it's time to disconnect, but I unplug that so fast and be gone.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

But that's one thing about you, Ocho, I don't show. I ain't so sure you love the woman like you love them bangles. I'm so I'm not sure.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

No, no.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

I could be. I'm just sitting over here.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hey, listen.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

A thousand miles away.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hey. I never love. I never love nothing like them bangles. You hear me? Hey. Because. Because. Hey, hold on. You got to understand what them bangles did for me.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

I know what he did.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hold on. From. From four years old, I had a dream. Huh? I had a dream as an adolescent. I wanted to be an NFL player. I wanted to make it to the top, to the pinnacle of my childhood dream. I didn't care about the money, but making the millions was pretty cool. That was pretty cool. Made me feel good about myself, you know? It gave me. It gave me a little power, gave me a little control to be able to take care of those that sacrificed for me when I really couldn't do nothing for them. So that is where that love comes from. I'm numb, man. I'm numb.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Don't be numb.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah. Yeah, man. It's like. Ah, damn, man.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

I gave you some medicine so you could feel all that pain. I don't want you to be numb. I don't want you to be desensitized.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Well, let me tell you. Let me tell you something. How about. Let's. Let's talk about my goddamn Panthers. Let's do that.

[Commercial Announcer]

Whoa.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

You ain't never been to Carolina. Oh. Let alone your Panthers.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hold on. Wait a minute.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

You got the Guppies. You got the Guppies.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Time out. That's what. That's what we're not gonna do, because I was the only one. I've been standing. I've been standing on the table. I've been pounding on the drum. I've been pounding on the drum about the Panthers before the season even started, when everybody else was counting them out because they weren't that good last year. And I said. I said, wait a minute. I see how they drafted. I see what they did in the off season. I saw the vision. I understood what they could do. Okay? And again, they proved. They prove me right yet again. I'll wait till we get to that, but go ahead.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, but you also said, oh, we got t. Mofo Higgins back. Oh, you know what that mean? Up Super Bowl. Oh, the guppy. Oh, Tour Cheetah Waddle a chan.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

But we got. We had. We had injuries. Tyreek got hurt.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Ain't no way. So now I just want to make sure I'm hearing you correctly. There are no other team in the NFL that's dealing with injuries. Just. Just the Guppies.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

No, I mean, I Mean, obviously, the quarterback hasn't been playing well. He's been inconsistent, you know, week to week.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

So let me ask you a question. Based on what, you know, the last five years, dealing with the Dolphins, dealing with the Bengals, what do you know to happen? What do you know to be 100 for certain? Quarterback play for the Guppies have been inconsistent. He gets hurt.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

The quarterback play in Cincinnati. What happens in three of the six years that he's been in the NFL? Tell the people at home what's happening.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Ocho, you got. He got hurt. Got hurt. It's all good, though, huh? See, now. Now you understand why it's so easy to disconnect when you can take. When you continuously get hurt over and over and over. And the problem is sometimes we don't know when to disconnect. That's the problem in life. Something, anything that continuously lets you down all the time, no matter how much you love it, you got to learn when to let go. It's not. It's not good for you. And I've been able to do that. I'm able to compartmentalize, y'.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

All. You hear me? Yeah.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

I mean, I'm able to. God damn it.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

There was a tweet went out. The locker room is showing its cracks. The ones to laugh or decline saying, catch you on Monday were Jordan battle, Shemar Stewart, T.J. slayton. Also declining with Chris Jenkins Jr. And Miles Murphy. Got another. You got another? Anything else up there? No. Wait.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

What'd that say? What that say?

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

The locker room is showing its cracks. The defense guys on the defensive side of football refused to talk or had, you know, sly laugh. Catch on Monday. Jordan battle, Shemar Stewart, T.J. slayton, Chris Jenkins Jr. And Miles Merkel.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Oh, well, they. They didn't want to talk for a reason, obviously. I mean. I mean, that I wouldn't call.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

They should have plenty. They should have plenty. They ain't do issue on defense.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

So what you tired for? What you ain't want to talk about?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah, listen, hey, that I. I rather them not say anything at all. I don't. I don't see that they're showing cracks.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

With frustrated in play.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hey, yeah. Yeah. I mean, what is that to say? Shoot the report.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

You gave up damn near 600 yards and 50 points.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hey, hey, the reporters watched the game. They saw the game. What's there to say? Man, don't put no camera in my face after that.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Oh, but let me ask you a question. If you. If you got six sacks and six turnovers, you talking yes or no? Oh, yeah, I see how this thing works. Okay, yeah, no more. It's all good, it's all good. Front runner?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Nah, no, ain't no front runner. But I just understand you put you, you put that camera in some of the young bull, them young bull's face right now, they gonna say the wrong thing.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Let me ask you a question. They're gonna say if I put that camera in front of Shamar Stewart's face and he got three sacks and a force fumble. He talking yes or no?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Jordan Battle, if he gets a pig. Slayton Miles Murphy, if they do anything defensively, they had a lot to talk about. Hold on. Who did they beat? Did they beat the Steelers? Did y' all beat the Steelers? Who y' all beat?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah, we did. Steelers.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

I just want to know, did anybody on the defense talk when they beat the Steelers, yes or no?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah, I'm sure they did.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Why are they talking? That was just one game. That put you at two and what? That puts you at two and three or whatever.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Now you don't want to talk, don't worry about. It's all good. It's all good. It's all good. Yeah, I see, I see how y' all do it.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hey, that's messed up, man.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

The Bills beat the Chiefs by the score 28:21, the fourth time this season the Chiefs have lost a one score game. Remember last year they were winning a lot of these one score games when Pressure Mahomes was 3 of 16 for just 61 yards and an interception. Overall, he completed 15 or 34 passes. This is the first time in his nine year career that he was held under 450% passing. A streak of 142 games, including the playoffs, which was an NFL record to start a career. They got after. Yeah, that's why you go get a Joey Bosa. They couldn't block him.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

No at all. He called, he caused havoc. He was disruptive or he was disruptive all night. He for he forced my homes, made him uncomfortable, get him off the spot. Had him having to throw on the run, use his legs a lot and.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Hit, you know, spared Juwan Johnson. I already know. He gonna get, he gonna get, he gonna get, he gonna get. Illegal formation because he gonna line his ass up in the backfield. He gonna get a holding call. I already know that going into the game. Andy Reid is already counting that like, okay, he's gonna get, he gonna get two, this guy's gonna get two, is gonna get two. Penalties.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Absolutely. Absolutely.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

So now let me, let me call plays according knowing that he's gonna get those two penalties. But they, they, they harassed him all night. They did a great job of, of pressuring him, making him making it very, very uncomfortable. Where's the score? But look at that. What, what did you like about what you saw from Buffalo?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hell, Josh goddamn Allen on, man. Got Josh with a goddamn 23 for 20, 23 for 26 for 273A TD. James Cook out there cooking 27, 27 carriers, but 114, Kincaid has 6 for 101. Obviously Joey Bosa, we saw what he did defensively, but the goddamn Chiefs really couldn't, really couldn't get nothing going. Kareem Hunt had 49. Rice. I almost said Rasheed Rice. It is Rashid Rice. Yeah. I mean you only have four for 80. So they, the, the Bills defense kind of kept, kept the Chiefs in check. Mahomes was what, 15 for 34, 250, had an interception and listen. Goddamn. And it's the regular season. It's a good win for Buffalo. It's a good win, but it's the regular season. In the regular season, Josh Allen is 5 and 1 against Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs. But that is not where it matters. It's not where it matters. What are we going to do when they get to the AFC championship? Can you get over the hump then? And they gonna see each other again. And that's probably, that's probably gonna be the two teams to come out of the afc. Unless for some, some crazy reason the Ravens have a resurgence and Lamar is a magician and just bring, and just brings him back from, I mean, what's what the Ravens? What, two and two and what?

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

No, they like, I think they were like three, three games.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Oh yeah, three. Yeah. That mean they might be three and six too.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

I thought Buffalo did a great job. First of all, the Chiefs really didn't stand a chance because the Chiefs like to stop the run run.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Oh yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

This is the first time they've given up 100 yard rusher in what, 20 something games, which was the longest current active streak.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Right?

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Okay, now we can't stop the run. Buffalo did a great job of doing what? Getting tranquil to cover tight ends and slot receivers.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Right.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

That's not what he is. He's a run stuffer. He's not covered. He's not a cover backer. So he didn't. You see Dawson Knox, you see King K, you see they get secure, maxed up on him because they motion and they know it's man coverage. If you can, if, if Kansas City can't stop the run, they can't win.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Because now you're at the mercy because they're gonna play action. You and guys gonna dip, dunk the ball. And they got two tight ends, they got two tight ends that can, can really can, can make a difference in the ball game.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Right? Knox and Kincaid, boy, it's nice. Boy.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

And like you said, Josh Allen did a great job. He was 23. Think about it. 23 of, of 26.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Six. That's, that's dead.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

You know how hard it is to go to have three incompletions in an NFL game?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

The whole game. Only, only three. That, that's, that's crazy. I, I, I, I, what I, what I do want is. I want. I don't know what's going on, but I, I would love for the resurgence of my young bull, Keon Coleman to be a little bit, a little bit more.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Can't separate Ocho, huh? He's a big body guy that needs to elevate. It's hard. It, I mean, look at him.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

He doesn't do, he doesn't win, he doesn't win against press coverage.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

And the thing is, if he can't use his athleticism. Yeah, you keep saying the same thing. Keep saying the same thing. Go. If you go back and study him at Florida State, look at what he did. He's leaping over people, making catches.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Right.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

You can't be. If you can't beat man coverage in the NFL.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

And you're not Uber. Uber. I'm talking about like, like elite or the elite of the elite.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Right.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

If you can't beat man coverage, there are two jobs that's available for you, Car salesman and coaching.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

We gonna get him right. We gonna get him right. I, I just, he, he has too much talent now. He has too much talent not to be, not to be being used.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

He got to be. Well, you gotta, you gotta work on his quit stitch because he got to be a big, to get, get off man coverage.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Can't separate.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah. We, we, we gonna get him right. We gonna get him right. We gonna get him right.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah. But I, I saw early on to what they were trying, what they were doing. Yeah. Is that they were getting those tight ends matched up on tranquil. Getting the linebackers matched up on the linebackers.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Right.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Those are, those are run stuff in linebackers. And Josh Allen is a guy, I mean, they got him down three times, but he's so tough, man, because at 66255, he gonna break contain.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

It's a rap.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

And even when you, you think you got him, he gonna do something. He, you know, he's a magician with the ball. He's. He's. Man, I, I rude. The days that he was supposed to be in Denver and we took, we took Bradley Chubb over Josh Allen.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Well, he could have been in Denver, huh?

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Yep.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Dan, that's crazy. I mean, I think, I think if you can go back and do the draft, there are a lot of teams that regret. Some of the players they take, they've taken.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

But my thing is, Ocho, we needed a quarterback. Why would you. You don't never. I, I get it. You wanted to pair bandage up with Von Miller. I'm not. You need a quarterback.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Wait, hold on.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Without him, I don't give a damn who you pair with. Von Miller. You compare Pat Sartan with Von Miller. Without a quarterback, you're not going nowhere.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Who was the quarterback that year where they chose Bradley Chubb instead of going to get a quarterback?

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Oh, man, please.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Who was. Must have been somebody.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Was it the guy from Northwestern?

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

And you know what? Also, when that, when that draft happened, you know, GMs and Scouts, they. They didn't really think Josh Allen would be who Josh Allen is now.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

He was a project. He was listed as a project.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

If they, if they knew, he would have turned out to be what he is now. Oh, they wouldn't have hesitated, man. They wouldn't hesitated, but they, they. You just didn't know.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Case Keenum. We had Case Kingdom.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Okay.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Journeyman Case Kingdom been with the Texans. He had been with the Vikings.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

He'd been with like, several teams. And you Pat. You pat. You thought Case Kingdom, huh? You thought Case Kingdom.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Hold on. But you, you know, remember we talk about. You talk about identity, right?

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Yes.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Your identity was on defense back then during the time you speaking of. Yeah. Didn't. He was defense. So your office wasn't gonna carry it because it wasn't no quarterback. You can gonna get that was. It wasn't.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

No.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

It wasn't no Peyton Manning out there.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

No. But you gotta have a quarterback. I don't care how good your defense is. You don't got no quarterback, it ain't happening.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Y' all had a great defense in Baltimore.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Yes.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

You just need a quarterback that can't turn the ball over.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Ocho, they don't allow you to play like that. That was 20 years ago. You're not winning a Super bowl playing that style of Football. First of all, the rules prohibited, right. The incidental contact, the roughing, the passer, the defenseless receiver. Ain't none of that. Yeah, I. I understand they, they deter that now.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

But I'm saying a defense that good. The Broncos defense. Yes, that. That year, the. No, no fly zone.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

No fly zone Broncos, they were gone. Then. There was no. There was no more DeMarcus. Where. There was no more. All those, those guys were gone.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Okay, my bad.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

No, you had. And you get an opportunity to get a quarterback.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

You take him, you got you. That's a 15 year guy. You plug him in.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Oh yeah. You don't know he's a 15 year guy though.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

Let me ask you a question. Let's just say for the sake of argument, even as great, as great as Aaron Donald was. Yes. He didn't win no championship until they got Matthew Stafford. Three time defensive player of the year. Eight, nine time first team all pro. One of the greatest defensive players ever.

[Ocho (Former NFL Player)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Sports Analyst)]

It took a quarterback without him. You're not doing it.

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