Nightcap Hour 1: De’Aaron Fox's EXCUSE for GAME 1 STINKER + Jaron “Boots” Ennis JOINS Nightcap

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Nightcap Hour 1 — De’Aaron Fox’s Excuse for Game 1 Stinker + Jaron “Boots” Ennis Joins Nightcap

Date: June 5, 2026
Host: Shannon Sharpe (“Unc”), Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson (“Ocho”), “Uncle Joe” (Joe Johnson)
Guest: Jaron “Boots” Ennis

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap features Shannon Sharpe and co-hosts Ochocinco and Joe Johnson engaging in a spirited discussion about De’Aaron Fox’s claim that he’s “sacrificing for the team” during a subpar NBA Finals performance. The hosts debate the nature of sacrifice, efficiency, and ego at the highest level of team sports, drawing on their own experiences as pro athletes. In the second half, they welcome rising boxing phenom Jaron “Boots” Ennis for a candid conversation about legacy, training, criticism, and life as a future multi-division boxing champion.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. De’Aaron Fox’s Excuse: Sacrifice vs. Aggression

[06:45–22:53]

• The Anecdote: Fox, now on a star-laden Finals team, claims he’s “sacrificing his game for the betterment of the team,” referencing fewer shots and altered roles.
• Ocho’s Take: Strongly disagrees, urging Fox to stay aggressive and lead:

  “He has to be aggressive, you know, to take some pressure off these other guys. I mean, he’s the quickest, fastest guy on the court...” (07:28)

• Joe’s Perspective: Balance is key. Fox shouldn’t revert to Sacramento’s “30 shots a game,” but must find a rhythm that supports efficiency and team success.

  “There has to be a balance… I can be aggressive, but… you’re not in Sacramento anymore. You have to sacrifice something.” (08:03)

• Efficiency Over Volume:

  “If you’re gonna shoot 13, 14 shots, they need you to go about 7 for 13. You have to be efficient, and I think he’s a good enough player…” – Ocho (09:27)

• What Does ‘Sacrifice’ Mean? Sharpe calls out modern players for only sacrificing scoring, not defense, playmaking, or energy:

  “When people say sacrifice, what they mean is only on one end of the court…Did he sacrifice any defense? Did he sacrifice his assist? So what did he sacrifice... Shots and points.” (10:38)

• Contracts Bring Pressure:

  “They ain’t paying you 50 some million to play no damn defense. They paying you to score.” – Joe (12:20)

• Young Superteam Dynamics:
  Fox must balance his past as the “guy” with the new challenge of fitting into a talented, ambitious roster. Gunning for stats risks alienating teammates in the new NBA climate:

  “A lot of young dudes…they ain’t gonna play hard for you if you coming out here gunning. They trying to show they got game too, bro. It’s a new era, man.” – Ocho (21:08)

2. The Nature of Team Dynamics and Sports Ego

[22:53–31:38]

• Players Always Think They Could Do More:

  “A lot of guys on his teams…believe if they got the same opportunity, the same green light to put up 19 to 26 shots a game, they give you those same points.” – Joe (22:03)

• Waiting Your Turn:

  “A lot of times in professional sports…you have to wait your damn turn. Some of us are gonna have to wait two, three, four years before those opportunities present themselves.” – Ocho (26:23)

• Find Your Niche: Early career was about defense and hustle, not scoring—embrace roles that keep you on the court.
• Jalen Brunson as Example: Stepped up only when opportunity came—everyone thinks they can be him until asked to prove it. (27:50)

3. Jaron “Boots” Ennis Joins the Show

[37:05–59:15]

Legacy, Style & Preparation

• Legacy Mindset:

  “This is a legacy-defining moment for me… when they talk about the great 154s in the future, I want them to mention Boots Ennis.” (37:52)

• Family Roots in Boxing:
  Started before he could walk—father and brothers were pro boxers.

  “I couldn’t even walk and I was in the gym... I got a video of me in the jumper just hitting the bag.” (39:37)

• On Xander Zayas (opponent):

  “He a solid fighter, but it’s a lot of guys that fight like him. There’s nobody that fights like me.” (40:06)

On Sparring and Preparation

• Sparring Philosophy: Mix of bigger, smaller, faster, slicker—never prepares for just one style.

  “You gotta be prepared all around the board. That way on fight night, you ready for anything.” (41:05)

Criticism & Defense

• On “Getting Hit Too Much”:

  “Every time I come out the ring, I don’t have no cuts, no bumps…Yeah, I might get hit, it’s boxing, but I know how to move the punches. If I do get hit, I’m not gonna get hit with it again…they gotta find something [to criticize] because when you great, they gotta find something.” (49:05, 49:27)

Training & Weight Management

• Regimen:
  Multiple daily sessions: boxing, sparring, conditioning, pool work.

  “I’m on my own schedule. I get up and train whenever I want… break it up into three sessions a day. Eating right, doing everything I’m supposed to. That’s what it’s all about.” (43:36)

• Cutting Weight:

  “It’s about your lifestyle outside of camp, too… gotta eat right and stay locked in. The job not done.” (45:34)

Ambitions: Multi-Division Domination

• Plans:

  “I’m here to stand my own legacy and take over each division… be undisputed at 54, do the same at 60 and 68, retire as an undefeated legend.” (46:38, 47:04)

• On Quick Knockouts:

  “We don’t get paid for overtime. Get in, get out, in and out like a robbery.” (55:44)

Favorite Fighters and Inspirations

• Influences:
  Floyd Mayweather, Roy Jones Jr., Pernell Whitaker (“Sweet Pea”), Prince Naseem Hamed—taking pieces from each to build his unique style. (51:04–51:57)
• Active Favorite:
  Bam Rodriguez—cites him as the “complete package” in today’s boxing. (52:26–52:42)

Philly Boxing Mount Rushmore

• Boots’ Top Philly boxers:
  Joe Frazier, Bernard Hopkins (“B Hop”), Meldrick Taylor—though he says he’s probably missing a few. (52:54–53:27)

Humorous Banter

• Boots on Sparring Uncle Joe:

  “Ultra, I will put you out in 20 seconds.” (57:01) “We could do an episode of Nightcap at the gym… I’mma lump him up!” (57:49–58:01)

• On Eating After Fighting:

  “I’ll have some McDonald’s waiting for you… They gonna have to puree it and drink it!” (after beating up Uncle Joe) (58:39–58:56)

4. The Divide Between Pros & Amateurs

[63:05–68:23]

• The Reality of Athletic Levels:
  Watching a pro up close is vastly different than TV.

  “There’s levels to this, man…you think…from the stands is one thing, get field level, watch them collisions…then you’ll get an appreciation.” (64:33, 65:56)

• Physicality in Sports:
  Rule changes have softened games, but real violence and speed remain.
• Amateurs’ Delusion:
  Discussion on people believing they could beat wild animals in a fight; hosts emphasize how out-of-touch most people are with professional athleticism and raw animal power.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ocho on De’Aaron Fox:

  “You on the biggest stage, the biggest moment…enjoy while you can, lead these guys, man. I don’t want to hear nothing about that sacrificing my game.” (12:43)

• Joe on Ego and Opportunity:

  “Everybody always thinks like, if I had Ocho money, I could get them. Everybody always thinks like that…” (24:09)

• Boots Ennis on Legacy:

  “I’m going to show the world I’m the best in the world…start at June 27th, I’m gonna knock them all down one by one.” (37:52)

• Boots on Critics:

  “Come on, Joe, man, you’re acting like a casual bro….every time I come out the ring, I don’t have no cuts, no bumps, no lumps.” (49:00–49:05)

• On Overtraining:

  “Some fighters can overtrain; you don’t need all that to get ready for a fight.” (44:25–45:03)

• On Pro vs Joe:

  “When you watch a pro…and he’s going against somebody that’s not a pro…you understand why he or she is a pro. There’s levels to this, man.” (63:58–64:33)

• On Nature vs. Humans:

  “12% of men believe they can beat a gorilla; 8% believe they can beat a grizzly bear…people are delusional.” (74:52–75:14)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [06:45] Fox’s “sacrifice” comments and the hosts’ reactions
• [09:27] The need for efficiency over shot volume
• [10:38] Sharpe challenges the concept of “sacrifice” in sports
• [12:20] Big contracts bring pressure to produce offensively
• [21:08] Impact of ego and changing dynamics in modern NBA locker rooms
• [27:50] Jalen Brunson’s journey as an example of waiting your turn
• [37:05] Jaron “Boots” Ennis joins the show
• [41:05] Boots discusses sparring and camp preparation
• [43:36] Day-to-day life and strict discipline in camp
• [46:38] Ambitions for dominating three weight classes
• [49:05] Boots defends his defense from critics
• [51:04–52:42] Boots’ favorite fighters and technical inspirations
• [55:44] Quick KO > long night: “We don’t get paid for overtime”
• [64:33] “Levels to this”: The difference between pro sports and the rest

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Tone & Atmosphere

The episode is fast-paced, lively, and brimming with athlete bravado, camaraderie, and playful roasting. The hosts blend deep professional experience with locker-room humor and aren’t afraid to challenge each other, or their guest. The exchange with Jaron “Boots” Ennis is friendly but focused on greatness, legacy, and the hard truths of elite sport.

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Summary Takeaways

• De’Aaron Fox’s claim of sacrificing for the team draws skepticism; the consensus is that real “sacrifice” means becoming more efficient and finding new ways to impact winning, especially on a team full of talent.
• Young players today are less likely to accept deferential roles, and superstar team-building means navigating egos and ambition.
• Jaron “Boots” Ennis exudes confidence and a relentless commitment to both his craft and legacy, with a fighter’s discipline and a boxer’s quick mind for criticism and adaptation.
• The episode ends with a comedic yet insightful reflection on how most people vastly underestimate what it takes to compete—in sports or even in a fight with a wild animal—emphasizing the ‘levels’ between amateurs and professionals.

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[Otis Ocho]

don't think he should be sacrificing, fellas. I think he has to be aggressive, you know, to take some pressure off these other guys. I mean, he's the quickest, fastest guy on the court who can get to any spot he wants to. I'm not worried about, obviously, his shooting percentage, but he has to still be aggressive just to put pressure on the defense and make them loosen up a little bit. Hey, man, they in the finals, bro. It's, you know, he.

[Joe]

Yes, we.

[Otis Ocho]

We can't make excuses now. We just got to get the job done. I think he got to. I think he has to be aggressive. He has some big games in this series for them to win.

[Joe]

Yeah, but I think the thing is, Joe, I don't think he needs to take 30 shots because he's not playing with a player that's been. He's never played with a player that's the equivalent of Wimby. So naturally, you gonna have to. You know, obviously, maybe not. I'm not saying you need to take five shots, but I'm not saying you need to take 25 shots either. You're gonna have to find a balance. There has to be a balance somewhere in there, Ocho and Joe, that he can find a way I can be aggressive, but not be. Because, bro, you're not in Sacramento anymore. You would have never been in this situation in Sacramento. And maybe that's one of the reasons is that you, first of all, you didn't have the level of talent that you have surrounding you now. And obviously, when you're in that situation, you have to sacrifice something. If you go back and look at LeBron and all those guys when they teamed up, you go back and look at KD and Klay Thompson and Steph.

[Otis Ocho]

We.

[Joe]

When they teamed up, somebody has to be sacrificed some parts of their game, Joe, in order for this thing to be successful. I'm not saying you take five, six shots, but the thing that you need to take 25, 30 shots like you did in Sacramento. I don't think that's a good idea either. Go ahead and.

[Uncle Joe]

Joe, and correct me if I'm wrong, obviously, when you have to sacrifice, you come to a team where you're playing with better players and you're not in Sacramento, as opposed to sacrificing your shot selection and efficiency becomes that much more important. Right?

[Otis Ocho]

Man, you, You, You, You.

[Joe]

You have.

[Otis Ocho]

You have to become more efficient when you have so many guys around you who can play. Bro, I. I take y' all back to.045. When I played on that Phoenix Suns team. I'm telling you. You knew. Hey, hey, you. I knew that I wasn't gonna get no 18 to 20 shots a night playing with Sean Marion, Steve Nash, Amari startermind Quinn Richardson. But the damn shots I did get. I want to be efficient, you know what I mean? I want to be hella efficient, bro, so I can put my stamp on the game. And what Fox has to realize, yeah, you ain't gonna get 18 to 22 shots, you know, maybe. But for the most part, you gotta be efficient, bro. You, you can't go 3 for 13. If you're gonna shoot 13, 14 shots, they need you to go about 7, 7 for 7 for 13, you know what I mean? He has to be efficient, and I think he's a good enough player, bro, to where he's able to do that like there's nobody out there on the court who can stand in front of him. He has to know that. And he has to use his quickness to his advantage, bro. Getting the spot, shooting his floater, making plays, shooting with confidence, shooting his middies. He has the game. He just has to bring it out.

[Joe]

Do you know what I notice, Joe? I know that Otis Ocho, when people say sacrifice, what they mean only on one end of the court. You notice that on Joe and Joe, did he sacrifice any defense? Did he sacrifice his assist? So what did he sacrifice, Joe and Ocho? Shots and points. You see, everybody likes to judge themselves by how many points I scored, how many catches I had, how many touchdowns. Okay, when you sacrifice on one end, did you pick up something else? Because if I sacrifice one bill, Joe, your mom sacrificed one Bill in order to do something else. She didn't sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice. She sacrificed one thing. Ocho and Joe, your grandma, Joe, she sacrificed one thing to do another. My grandma sacrificed one thing to do another. If you notice, I had to sacrifice a large portion of my game. So normally I say, you know what, if I sacrifice on the offensive end, maybe I can pick it up on the defensive end and create an opportunity for me to get another shot. I, maybe if I get a steal, I get an easy layup. Maybe if I poke the ball away from behind, they pass it out, I give me easy two, four points like that. You go, hey, you notice everybody when they sacrifice. What do they sacrifice? Don't nobody say, well, I sacrificed my defense, I sacrificed my.

[Uncle Joe]

Understand?

[Joe]

Go ahead, go ahead, Joe.

[Uncle Joe]

You got to understand now what he talks about when he's saying sacrifice. He's going to bring up the Points because of what he's done when he was in Sacramento and then. And you know what else people are going to point to? Joe? Look at the money he's making. Look at. Look at the deal he signed.

[Otis Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

So the deal that.

[Joe]

He about to go into that. He about to go into that. That big extension, Joe and Ocho, where he makes, I think, 51.52 next year. 53, 58.

[Uncle Joe]

Imagine they ain't paying you 50, 50 some million to play no damn defense. They ain't playing you. 50 million to set no picks, huh? Joe, stay with me now.

[Otis Ocho]

I'm with you.

[Uncle Joe]

We paying you to score. So when you do have a night, we at three for 13. Come on, somebody talk to me now.

[Otis Ocho]

Hey, hey.

[Joe]

They. They.

[Otis Ocho]

They paying him to leave, fellas. They paying him to lead.

[Joe]

He's the veteran.

[Otis Ocho]

Listen, I. I don't know if San Antonio knew they was going to have this much talent on this team. You know what I mean? I. I don't. I. I don't think they did. And it's a good problem. To have what Fox has to do. He has to know how to utilize those guys the best of his advantage and be a key component into them winning games in this series, you know what I mean? If they want to win the title, he has to be aggressive, man. I don't want to hear nothing about that sacrificing my game, bro. You on the biggest stage, the biggest moment. Hey, man, enjoy while you can lead these guys, man. Yeah, y' all can get it done.

[Joe]

Well, the question is, Joe, I mean, you can put up Sacramento numbers and be where you were in Sacramento.

[Otis Ocho]

That's the problem playing meaningless basketball.

[Joe]

So you. You see, you. You see, there's a fine line that you have to walk between. You know what? I want to be the guy. I want to. Hey, I want to be allstar. I want to do X, Y and Z and be home in the postseason. Even if. If you make it, you going home in the first round or sacrificing, finding other ways to contribute other than scoring and being in the NBA Finals and potentially winning a championship. Because as a key contributor on an NBA or a World Series team or a championship team in football, it changes you. It changes the way people look at you. It changes the way people think of you. We look at Draymond Green in a totally different light. Draymond Green could have those same exact stats on a team that has not won championships. And we're not looking at him because everybody tries to devalue talking about yeah, you only did that because you was with Golden State. If you was with Detroit, if you was with this team and you ain't have these championships. So that is the fine line that you really have to walk as an athlete is that do I want the goddy numbers? And we look, we all. We love would all be loved to be Kobe in average 30 and still go to the NBA champ finals. We would love to be Jordan and average 30 and go. We would love to be Jokic to put up in LeBron and these guys to put up gaudy numbers, but everybody can't do that. Everybody can't be the lead dog, still get their shots. KD sacrifice, Steph sacrifice, Clay sacrifice. And all for the betterment of the team. And that's what you're going to have to do, Fox. You're going to have to sacrifice. And like Joe said, you might only get 13, 15 shots, but they need to be really, really efficient. You just can't arbitrarily heat check now because you're around better players. You've never played with a player like Wemby. And the guards, they might be younger than you, but you haven't played with guards like Castle. You haven't played with guards like Harper.

[Uncle Joe]

You think that's difficult, though?

[Joe]

What?

[Uncle Joe]

Just to a team that's better being that now you're in a situation you've never been in before. He's not having a choice to sacrifice, but you think that's more pressure on him being that. Damn, I can't. I don't have the green light to be able to shoot at will like I was in Sacramento. Now the pressure's on me and I'm missing shots. I'm not being as effective and efficient as I should be.

[Joe]

Let me ask you this. Do you think you could have still put up the same number you put up in Cincinnati if you sit getting the same opportunities in New England?

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But they were throwing me one ball a game.

[Joe]

Exactly. So now all of a sudden you. He goes from like always having the green light to getting 19, getting as many shots as he like whenever he like. To all of a sudden having to play because you got wimy, you got Harper, you got Castle, you got other guys. So. Yeah, it absolutely is.

[Uncle Joe]

Glad you said that. Now, basketball is different from football. He has the ball in his hands. What if he. What if he decide Joe no at will to just take the green light and just shoot at will?

[Joe]

It don't make the. Don't worry about.

[Otis Ocho]

They'll have and it don't make them no, it don't make them no better team with him playing like that. Unless he's scorching hot. Oo to where he on fire. Yes.

[Uncle Joe]

And they give it to him. And they give it to him.

[Otis Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's one thing. But for the most part, as the point guard, he's gonna have a ball in his hand. So I, I, I automatically think he always should be in somewhat of a rhythm. Yeah, he may not take a lot of shots, but for the most part, he can play make hell, he can defend at a high level. I just think it's so many facets of his game. It's not just scoring, man. It's not just scoring. You know, you can put your imprint on the game. Hell, by playing defense, by being solid, making the right play, getting guys involved, getting guys going. I think as a point guard, it's similar to the quarterback in football, bro. That's like the hardest position to play in basketball, especially when you got so much talent around you and you trying to maximize everybody's potential. That's the hardest thing, bro. And I think Fox has been put in a situation where it's been kind of tough for him, you know what I mean? But I think he can get out this little rut that he in.

[Joe]

I gave prime example. How many points, how many points did he score at Kentucky? Why? He scored more points in high school than he did in college. Why? Because he had more talent around him and he just couldn't arbitrarily just come down and jack the ball up. Because those guys, guess what? They're in the draft. All the people that played on this team, they was first round of two.

[Otis Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So now you have to, you have to manage that. And as Joe says, as the point guard, you have the ball. You have to like, man, this is my, this is my time to put my imprint on the game now. Hey, let me get wimy. Ah, no. Hey, take that, Castle. Hey, B. Champag. Like he did last night. You saw him dribble the ball, get to the lane, kick to the left corner. Boom. Here come champion. So that is the job of a point guard. That's why it's rare to see a point guard getting 30 and 40 points a game. That's why 30 and 40 point guards rarely, rarely get to the.

[Otis Ocho]

Absolutely, absolutely.

[Uncle Joe]

But that's because they have no supporting cast around them that can score.

[Joe]

No, you have to pick. Look, if I'm trying to think, See, with me, I don't really look at steph as a point. Because if you look at it, Draymond did more of the initiating of the offense than Steph. He listed as a point guard. Now, Shay is a little different.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

And.

[Joe]

And Luca is one of these guys. He can have Gotti. He's gonna have Gotti numbers because he's gonna go off in the first quarter. He's gonna be halfway to 30 in the first quarter.

[Otis Ocho]

Hold on.

[Joe]

Because he's gonna get up somewhere between 10 and 15 shots in the first quarter.

[Uncle Joe]

I got a question, though. Think about this. I know we're in different errors, right? And obviously team is constructed in a certain way where they don't rely on him having to shoot high volumes like he did in Sacramento. What happened?

[Joe]

Correct?

[Uncle Joe]

What happened? If you take an AI who is a volume shooter and you put him on the spurs, what did he do? Does he stop shooting ball?

[Otis Ocho]

Nah.

[Joe]

No, he won't. That's it.

[Otis Ocho]

It's gonna be hard to get those young guys to really want to play hard for him. Ocho, these young dudes, man, listen, they ain't gonna be playing with Nobody taking no damn 25, 30 damn shots. A they trying to get theirs too.

[Joe]

And that's why people killed. They kill. Joe Rich Paul said the exact same thing, and he got killed. He said, guys, y' all think these guys just want to play defense and rebound the ball while Jordan scoring 50. Why Kobe scoring this? I said, this is a different era now.

[Uncle Joe]

Everybody ain't that guy.

[Joe]

Got killed because he said, everybody ain't that guy.

[Uncle Joe]

They gotta understand you. You say it all the time, Unc. Joe, you say it too. There's a pecking order, Understand the pecking order. I mean, what are we talking about?

[Joe]

How many guys think they're not that guy, though?

[Uncle Joe]

What's the problem? What problem did Kaminga have with the Warriors? He thought he was what I think.

[Joe]

Who? That Kaminga.

[Uncle Joe]

I think I'm supposed to be on the same level with Steph. I think I'm supposed to be taking the same amount of shots as Steph, right?

[Joe]

And Jordan. And Jordan Poole. Jordan Poole got up out of there. These guys are different now, Ocho. These guys are really, really different because they're trying to get to the max, Joe. I'm not Joe, Ocho. You're not gonna pay me max dollar scoring six points a game. I'm trying to get. I'm. Listen. No, I'm trying to get a five year 240. I'm trying to get a five year 260, 290. That's what I'm trying to get me rebounding the ball while this guy scores 60. That ain't gonna get me there. That. Go get me a mid level exception that's gonna give me a bet mid catch. Hey, hey, you know, you.

[Otis Ocho]

You got a lot of these young dudes Ocho, in the league, bro. They trying to prove themselves, you know what I'm saying? And the last thing they want, bro, is to be with a guy who's a volume shooter. They doing all the dirty work while you shooting all the damn balls, trying to score all the points. Now they trying to show they got game, too, bro. You right. It's a new era, man. These young. These young dudes, bro, they ain't gonna play hard for you, man. Dang. I'm telling you, they ain't gonna play hard for you if you coming out here gunning, you know, it's all about you.

[Uncle Joe]

Shh.

[Otis Ocho]

Nah, they ain't having that.

[Uncle Joe]

You know what? What's so funny is you really got to be that guy, Joe. This is my first time ever hearing that. You're like, you really got to be that guy, you know? I mean, you got to be eons and levels above the next person to be able to take those shots and say, you know what? The hell with you. You really not that guy. Anyway, that's why I've been given the green light, to be able to take these shots. Can you imagine somebody getting mad at Shay because he's shooting 26, 23 shots a night?

[Joe]

No, but here's the thing, though, Joe. Ocho guys believe that if you gave them an opportunity to shoot as many times as Shay, they believe they can put them same. Damn, that's your problem. See you looking at Shay and say, well, Shay gets to shoot the ball X amount of times. I guarantee you there's a lot of guys on his teams, they might not ever say it publicly, but they believe if they got the same opportunity, the same green light to put up 19 to 26 shots a game, they give you those same points.

[Otis Ocho]

A lot of cats ain't just gonna defer, bro. You ain't gonna find a lot of cats like that. You know what I mean? Especially. Especially in this era. You know, everybody.

[Joe]

It's a new age. It's a new era, Joe. You're absolutely right. It's a new day.

[Otis Ocho]

Everybody think they got game. Ocho. I'm talking about. They think they serious with it.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey, Joe. It's one thing to think it, but it's one thing to do it with. Them goddamn lights on.

[Joe]

You're right.

[Uncle Joe]

And it's one thing to do it not only with the lights on, Uncle. Uncle Joe. Do it every single night consistently.

[Joe]

They say if you cut the lights on and give me 26 shots, I'll show. They say, I want to show you. Ocho, think about the number two receiver. If the number two receiver, you don't think it's like, man, Ocho catching 12, 13, getting 13, 16 attempts. I'll be targets a game. Give me that. I'm gonna go get one. Man, y' all throwing me five. Y' all throw me little five balls. Y' all throw Ocho 13. Ocho got 120 yards and two touchdowns. Hey, how was Ocho? Ocho was good, but, hell, y' all give me that. I knew that, too. Hey, but Ocho. Joe, what would they. Ocho, how many of your homeboys. When you go to Cliff, everybody, when you know, you, before you got with Cal Body, before you had a girl, you in the club, how many of your homeboys thought, man, if I had Ocho money, I had Ocho chain, I was playing in the NFL, I could get them grabbing. How many your homeboys think just like that?

[Otis Ocho]

He already know it. He already know it.

[Uncle Joe]

Every. Everybody always think like that. Everybody always think like, it's so funny. It's so funny that I. I think it just. I don't mean to go off topic. I think that is it. It comes into play, Joe. You know, based on who you are and what you. You know, what you're able to do.

[Otis Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

You know, but nine times out of 10, why everybody left me is the fact that I don't spend no money.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Joe.

[Uncle Joe]

Joe, they get sick of that joke.

[Otis Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, they get sick of that, Joe. I ain't. Well, I'm tight with it, Joe. You hear me? I'm tight like a virgin. But I ain't spending that joke at first. I'm be honest with you.

[Joe]

Huh.

[Otis Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Uncle Joe]

I ain't spending no money, man.

[Otis Ocho]

At first, they think it's cute. They roll with it. But then.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, they roll with it, and they think it's a facade. They think it's a dope.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

We two, three years in, and I. I ain't doing that. I ain't budging like, this is. This is really me. This is. Yeah, I got the discipline. Okay? I'll find you all. You know, I. You know, I get to look something here and there, you know, blah, blah, blah.

[Otis Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

But what you used to seeing all on Instagrams, and all that stuff.

[Joe]

Yeah, that's what. But social media, having a relationship. The problem that people have now in a relationship, Joe, is that they judge their relationship. Other relationships, that is the problem that they have. Well, man, she got a G wagon, she got a Porsche, she got a Lambo. He bought her a business. She got an llc, she got a condo. You're judging your relationship. And that's why you have to be careful. Because, you know, therapists can tell you what you should do, but you what. What if. What she's telling you what you should do, you try to take that to another relationship, and that ain't even interested in her, then what you doing all this? Well, my therapist said this. My therapist said if I talk to

[Otis Ocho]

you like that,

[Joe]

boy, if you don't

[Otis Ocho]

sit your ass down again, right, worry about the wrong damn thing.

[Joe]

But that's. That is. That is the problem. It would a lot of time. And it's. It's like that in sports. How many times, Ocho, you don't heard guys on the team say, man, if I was over there, bash, I killed just like that, too, Joe. Hey, man, please.

[Otis Ocho]

Hey, hey, you. A lot of times in professional sports, and y' all know this, bro. You have to wait your damn turn. Everybody. It's not gonna be able to come into the NFL, the NBA, any professional league, and just get the ball right away and be able to dominate. There's only a select few who get that opportunity. Some of us are gonna have to wait two, three, four years before those opportunities present themselves. So, look, therefore, in between, you gotta figure out how to be asset to a team, bro. You have to figure out your niche. Like I always tell y', all, they talk about all this ISO this, ISO that. Man, I was guarding, defending my ass off when I first came into the league, bro. Just. Look, I never wanted Coach to have a reason to take me off the floor. Damn, Joe, we need some defense in that here.

[Joe]

Here I am.

[Otis Ocho]

I can play some damn defense.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe, they act like you got that name your rookie year. I was six, seven years in, before they got me, gave me, you know.

[Otis Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey, bro, listen, you need a defense, you need a big shot, you need to make an assist.

[Joe]

And, man, I was willing to do

[Otis Ocho]

anything to stay on the court, bro. And I've been like that, you know, since a kid. I never wanted coach to have a reason to take me out the game. So I tell all these young cats, bro, who think they gonna come into the league and average 25, man, listen, it may take You a couple years, bro. You need to learn the system first. Learn how to be a pro. Learn how to take care of yourself. You know what I mean?

[Uncle Joe]

Yes, sir. And you know, it's funny, Joe, in the perfect example, Jalen Brunson, man, the perfect example is Jalen Brunson. Wait until he get his time, his turn. I'm not sure how many years it took for him, obviously, to get to the Knicks. And now look at him now. And then you probably got people in the NBA talk about, you know, man, shoot, if. If I was. If I was over there, you know, running the point for the Knicks, I could be in the finals, too. Everybody think they better than Jalen Brunson until it's time to be better than Jalen Brunson.

[Joe]

Yeah, Jalen Brunson was on the. Jalen Brunson was a backup until Luca got hurt. And when Luca got hurt, he. That was his opportunity. And then it was too late because he was so cost prohibitive for Dallas. They didn't have any choice. They couldn't sign him. When you had an opportunity, you just saw him as a backup. But he. Luca gets hurt, and he showed you what he could do. Now, all of a sudden, that little 55 million was gonna cut it. The Nick jumped out there with 120. 125, which was double what you were going to offer. It's too late. It's too late. And it's the same thing. Sometime in a relationship, you got this guy. He ain't doing too much, man. He ain't doing nothing. Somebody out there got a little flashier, got a little bit more. And now the guy, Bill, the guy in college, he might be a little overweight. You know, you get the lineman and d. Lineman, ain't nobody really trying to holler at them like that. They want the quarterback, wide receiver, running back, DBs. They want the flashy position.

[Otis Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Well, when that guy grow up and then he get somebody that you like, why he with her? Because she paid him attention when he didn't have.

[Otis Ocho]

Absolutely. That's how I go.

[Joe]

Women, y' all know, y' all do the same thing. The. The. The. The. The. The captain of the team, the. The big time guy, when he didn't play you no attention. Now all of a sudden, you go off and come back and you. And you find you a merlot or Bordeaux or Patus.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Yeah.

[Joe]

One of them 5, 10, $15,000 bottle of wine, he tried to get at you, and you hiding the po. Yeah. Now, he said, nah. Remember when I had the horn glasses, remember? I would. I wouldn't. I wasn't. You know, I had to. Had the. The skirt, the poke.

[Uncle Joe]

Come on now. It ain't got to be Sunday to preach.

[Otis Ocho]

Hey, that's.

[Joe]

And. And. And that's. Then. That's how it is. But these guys got to understand, and I. I'm glad I understood. And I think it happened to do. Had to do, because like you said, Joe, I had to get on the field. I wasn't gonna get on the field, and they gonna throw me five passes game. I'm gonna feel. Because I had to block and. Okay, block. I gotta block. Go block Ronnie Lot. I gotta go block. David Forcher. I gotta block Eddie Anderson. I've got to be able to block these guys. And I got to say, but, man, we got to find a way to keep sharp on the field.

[Otis Ocho]

There you go.

[Joe]

We got to keep him out there. He ain't afraid. We know he'll play special teams. Hey, we're three every five, six, seven good blocks I make. We'll throw him a pass. It might not be but a Damn. Damn. Can I get down the field?

[Otis Ocho]

Down.

[Joe]

It's behind the line.

[Otis Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey. But look, you'll take what you can get. Hey, make the most of it, bro. I'm telling you, you absolutely know the situations. And I'm talking about. When you're talking about thriving in those situations, bro, that's the best thing you can do is try and perfect whatever. Whatever situation you in. Like you say, especially in basketball, it's hard. It's hard to catch a rhythm when you only know you're gonna get four to seven shots a night. Well, hell, that's how my. That's how my career started, and I embraced that role, bro, and I enjoy playing in it. And then, you know, another two, three years on down the line, I finally get a real opportunity to be able to be a cornerstone of a team. Then it's different.

[Joe]

You know, it hit a little different.

[Otis Ocho]

You know, it hit home a lot different. And. And you embrace and enjoy those moments, bro, you know, because you think about the times here when you was only getting three, four shots a night, okay? Now, shit, now I'm getting about 12 to 15 tonight. This ain't. This ain't bad. You know what I mean? So you just gotta stay locked in.

[Joe]

That's how it was for me, Joe. I just come in on third down. Coming on third down. But you. Oh, oh, you know, when you play third down, they throw you the ball. You gotta catch it. Ain't nobody trying to hit him. Man, I need to get warmed up. I need to get this. We'll get back to Darren Fox in a second. I think we got Boots. Joining us. Welcome to the show right now is Jaron Boots. Ennis. Well, he's not here quite yet. He. He logged up. He tried. Because the dude that extension, Joe Ocho kicks in for De' Aaron Fox next year. He'll make 51 million, then he'll make 55.1, then he'll make 59.2 and then he'll make 63.3. So he's about to get. That's 120. That's 122. 5 plus 55. That's 177 plus another 51. So that's about. 228. 228. 220. 228 million over the next four years. Starting next year. Both. You got us. Yeah. Yep.

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[Uncle Joe]

7 11. Master canoe. You can hear us?

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Yeah, I can hear you.

[Uncle Joe]

What's up?

[Joe]

Okay, thank you. Hey, what's going on, O.J.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

you want to take what's going on?

[Otis Ocho]

What's that now, Uncle?

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

You lead it.

[Uncle Joe]

You lead it, Uncle. I'mma take. I'mma take off after you, baby

[Joe]

Boots. You got Xander Z, the wbo, the WBA Junior Middleweight titles on the line. You're looking to become a two a two way Unified champion.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

You this moment, you. You understand these moments are pleading. And this is how you try to make your name. You try to like, when they talk about 154s and they talk about these great fighters of years past, I want them to talk about boots in us moving forward 10, 15 years from now. Like, they talk about the 154s and the guys in the past. Is that your mindset when you're going into this fight? Because you know what's at stake?

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

No, for sure. You know, it's just a. This is a legacy, you know, defining moment for me, you know, and then this was all about. And I'm going to show the world, you know, start. Start at June 27th, Robin. The best in the world. And we're gonna start right here and knock them all down one by one.

[Otis Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Uncle Joe]

When you look at it, right, I think about us. I think about myself also. ISO as well. When we look, we watch film based on our opponents. Have you seen anything from Xander and the fight that he's had? I'm sure you've done your homework. Have you seen anything that you think you might have to worry about when you have. When you have this fight? Some things that he might. Might be good at, you know, some strengths of his and some weaknesses that you may be able to expose. Fight night.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

All I'm going to say is buckle up, put your seat belt on. Fighting. I mean, y' all gonna see it all on Friday night. Man, I can't wait. You know, I'm gonna show out and show. And I'm. I'm gonna show y'.

[Uncle Joe]

All.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna show y', all, you know, I really don't want, you know, spill too many beans, but I'm gonna show y'. All.

[Uncle Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Otis Ocho]

That's what's up. Hey, hey, Booze. What's up, bro? It's ISO.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

What's going on?

[Otis Ocho]

Hey, hey. Big fan here, bro. I love watching play. I know. Philly has a legendary boxing history deeply rooted in grid toughness.

[Joe]

What.

[Otis Ocho]

What. What really got you into boxing? And what's some of your favorite boxes out of Philly?

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

What got me into boxing is. Well, my dad was a former professional boxer, and both my brothers. Derek, Pooh, and it's a Friday quiet song, and they was former professional boxers. One was at 168 and one was at 154. And it was like a family thing, you know, And I was able to watch my brothers, you know, come up on espn Showtime. So I've been around this boxing game forever, so this is like nothing new to me. So, you know, I've been here before,

[Otis Ocho]

like, your first love. I'm saying, you started boxing when. How old.

[Joe]

But how old were you?

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

I was, I wasn't. I couldn't even walk. And I was in the. I was in the gym. I was in the. I got. They got a video of me in the jumper just hitting the bag like I couldn't even walk in that stuff.

[Joe]

But when you hear Xander say, you've never faced a fighter like him, he said, yeah, you're a great fighter. He don't want to take anything away from you, but you never faced anybody like him with the skill that he possessed, the power that he possessed. And he said, like, you're going to be in for it when, when you got.

[Otis Ocho]

When you guys face, it's.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

He a solid fighter. He a solid fighter, but it's a lot of guys that fight like him. It's not a lot of guys that. There's nobody that fight like me. I got my own style. He gonna be in for a real weakening can nobody.

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[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

He got inspired. Nobody got. And his camp can't do what I do. They don't know how I'm coming. They don't know what I'm gonna do on camp. I mean, I'm fighting on fight night, so they gotta. They got a lot more to worry about than me.

[Joe]

Boost when you go. Let me ask you this. When you're going into a fight, obviously, you know, you're fighting a guy that has the titles. When you go into sparring sessions, are you trying to get guys that resemble him as much? So what are you. Are you trying to get guys that are slick with it? You trying to get guys that got power with it? So what, what are you kind of looking for? Are you kind of getting a combination? Because I hear a lot of guys talk about, I go seven, eight rounds continuous, where I get a guy, I go three rounds with him, and then, hey, I take my minute break, and then I go two, three rounds with another guy. And then I go two or three rounds with another guy. So what are you looking for in a sparring session that's going to best prepare you to fight the guy that you're fighting on a Saturday?

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

I mean, in a sparring session, you. Well, you got to have a, you know, multiple guys, you know, okay, these guys, some of these guys, what I, What I learned coming up in this box game, you can watch tape on guys or, or people might fight this person this way or somebody might fight this person that way, but they're not gonna fight you that same way. So you got to be Prepared all around the board. And that's what we do. We got 60, 60 pounders, 68 pounders, big guys, fast guys, little. We got, we got it all in the camp. So you got to be prepared all around, you know, and, and that way you could work on all different things in camp. And I just want one certain thing because you never know, you know, a fight night, you might switch the whole game plan up. You gotta be ready all around the board, right?

[Otis Ocho]

Hey, go ahead, Ojo.

[Uncle Joe]

Now I'm gonna say, I don't want to put the eggs before the. Hey, how you say I want to put the eggs before the chicken?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. You don't want to catch a chicken. Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

But, but, but obviously. Listen, I like Xander. You know, I, I've watched him fight many of times. I've been to a few of his camps, but again, he's. He hasn't. He's never seen anyone like you before. Based on his style of fighting. You've seen fighters that fight like him before. Your style is completely different, obviously. Being able to switch, hit, fight from distance, f, fight in the pocket, fight it, fight at range, Anything you want to do. Athletically, you're probably going to be just, just being honest athletically. And when it comes to ring iq, you're probably gonna be two or three steps at two or three steps ahead of him. Obviously, I think speed is going to be a problem for him as well. Which, which there's no one he can actually get in his camp to kind of mirror what, what it's going to look like fight night, you know, on the 27th.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Right.

[Uncle Joe]

But after this fight, and which is probably going to be a great one based off what you told us when the show just started, is there someone that you have your eyes set on fighting next? Because for you, it's been a problem for you getting the fights that you want because people are actually scared to fight you. They call you for a reason. People actually fight you. Is there anyone that you would want to fight next or that right now

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

I said, we ain't looking past nobody right now. I'm locking on him and that's it. And like I said, we're going, okay, we're going to take it one fight at a time. We're going to walk, we're going to knock them all down one by one, and we're going. Like I said, I'm going to show the world I'm the best in the world. I'm taking over slowly but surely. There's one fight at a time.

[Otis Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey.

[Otis Ocho]

Hey, Boots. I see you. You're a few weeks away from fight night. What is camp like right now?

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

What you mean like the everyday regiment

[Otis Ocho]

leading up to fight? What, what your training is, like, how you eat. Like I want to know all that right now.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

I mean, I'm on my own schedule. I kind of like, I get up and train whenever I want. You know, I do three of these and from boxing, sparring, tripping, trip conditioning, running, pool workouts. So I got, I break all that, all that up and three and like three different times, you know, each day. So yeah, yeah, I got a lot going on, you know, and I rest on my Sunday and then started to go all over and do it again for the week, you know, and can't be going great though, you know, eating right, doing everything I'm supposed to be doing, having fun, you know, this, that's what it's all about, having fun while you're in camp. So fighting, that could be super, super easy.

[Otis Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Uncle Joe]

Is there ever, is there ever such a thing as over training at, at any point where you think you train too much, where, where you're not able to perform the way you want to because you've done so much throughout a what, eight, eight week camp or whatever it may be.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

I mean, it depends how many weeks you do for camp. Some guys, some guys do 10 weeks, some guys do eight weeks, some guys need 16 weeks. You know, it depends what these guys be doing, right? And I don't really, I don't do a too long of a camp, you know, and I try to because I, I'm always in the gym anyway. Y' all stay in the gym anyway. So my camp, not really all I need is eight weeks. I don't even really need that, but I just do eight weeks and eight weeks of just me locking in and doing everything I should be doing, working on everything I need to be working on, and that's about it. So I mean, some fighters do do it. Like I said, some fighters can overturn because they doing 16, 10 weeks, 12 weeks. You don't need all that to get ready for a fight.

[Joe]

Well, if you if. But see, that leads into my question I was about to ask you because I you going down to 154. What did you walk around weight? I think one of the things that aided Floyd is that Floyd fought the majority of his career, especially the latter part, at 147. Well, Floyd walks around at 152, so he don't need for two weeks of camp to go cut Weight if guys come and try to come down. For guys, the 154 and they 185 and 190. Hell yeah. You need 16 weeks to get all that.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

No, no, thanks. You're right. You know, you're right. But it's. It's about your lifestyle. How you living outside of camp, too.

[Otis Ocho]

Like, absolutely.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

You gotta. You gotta eat right. And. And still, yeah, you're gonna have your days where you gonna want to play around, cheat, and eat a little bit of, you know, junk food. Maybe McDonald's here and there.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

You know, you know how I get down. You know how I get them? McDonald's, Lee. No, but. No, just like you might have your little days where you want, hey, a little cheat days, but you got to stay locked in. You got this. The job not done. At the end of the day, you gotta keep doing what you don't. Keep pushing forward. When it's all said and done, you can look back and be like, all right, now, I could chew. I can relax. I did everything I wanted to do. I retired on top, undefeated legend. And then I've enjoyed my fruits of my labor. That's my whole mindset right now.

[Otis Ocho]

Yeah, that's what's up, bro.

[Uncle Joe]

The funny thing about it, you.

[Joe]

You moved up from. You moved up at the welderweight. You took those belts and you automatically started talking 54 and 68. So you trying to. You trying to pull a bud. I mean, Bud 47. He go, Bud was 40. 47. And then pole vault the 68 and take down a guy that they thought was beatable. Nobody other than what you call had unified to what you call the sea. He unified three divisions.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Yeah, I'm here. I'm here to. I'm here to, you know, stand my own legacy and take it. Take over each division, whatever division I met. That's what I'm taking. I'm taking it over. I'm taking every belt home with me. That's my goal. They was down there, I was at 147. He was playing around at 47. So I went to 54. Now I'm about to take over and, you know, be undisputed at 54, and then do the same thing at 60 and 68. And then I'm going to retire as undefeated legend. My food to my leave.

[Joe]

You try, you trying to do you trouble. You try to do 47, 54, 68.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

I did 47 already. I was. That was WBA.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Super WA champ in IBF and Ring magazine champion 147. And now I'm about to, you know, fight for the wb wba, about to be unified here. And then two more. I need two more belts and then I move up And I do 60. 68. Yep. I'm trying. This. This what I'm. This is. This is all about.

[Joe]

Well, let me ask you what you. Let me ask you a question, Boots.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

What's up?

[Joe]

What do you walk around at in order for you to go down to four from. To be 47 and go to 68. So it to. To so damn. What you 175 walk around naturally?

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

I don't know.

[Uncle Joe]

I don't know.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

I can't tell you. I don't know.

[Joe]

For you to move up like that,

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

man, I can move up for sure. And when I'm in, When I'm in camp, I usually. I had bigger guys, you know, in camp I'll be having 68, 60, 68 pounder, 75 pounders, sometimes Cruiser Week. So. Yeah, I can do it. I know I can do it.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, I. I was on Andre Berto podcast not long ago, and we were trying to think of some things, and we talk, Talk about your fighting style and the way you fight. And I've been trying to look at, Trying to think of flaws, just something to have a conversation about. And really the only thing, obviously watching you, you know, over the years, obviously being in camp with you, training with you, you know, for two, three months as well, I was trying to find anything negative, you know, and it was hard to find anything negative based on your fighting style. And the one thing, the only thing I could think of was, well, maybe sometimes you get hits, you know, sometime maybe too clean. And then I also thought about, well, hell, he rolls with most of the punches that he gets hit with, and obviously he's not fighting people where he respects their power, you know, and yeah, when it comes to that, for those that say you get hit too much, what do you have to say to those critics?

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Come on, come on, Joe, man, you're acting like a casual bro.

[Uncle Joe]

I just, I just, just, just, just to shut them. I already know. Yeah, I know what I'm watching.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

I get it. I mean, I don't know where they got this, they got this crazy narrative from. I don't know where it came from. Yeah, but it's the only narrative that they keep saying, like now that I get hit too much, bro, every time I come out the ring, I don't have no cuts, no bumps, no. No lumps, no. Yeah, I might get his boxing. Everybody get hit but it's a certain way you get. I know how to move the punches. I know how to.

[Otis Ocho]

Right?

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

If I do get. If I do get hit, I'm not gonna get hit with it again. There's. It's like. People gotta look at stuff like that. People gotta sit back and really watch my fights and really like. Like then he did get hit with that shot, but he didn't get hit with it again. Or he got hit with that shot that time, but this time he rolled with it. Sometimes you gotta roll with it because you. It'd be too late to bring your hand up. So you just roll it. It might look like you get hit, but you're not. But yeah. I don't know where they get this narrative from. But like, like I said before, I just take it as a. As a compliment. They gotta find something, you know, you know when you greet. So you gotta find something to talk bad about. So it is what it is.

[Uncle Joe]

The defense is phenomenal. Your defense is fine. I've seen it with my own eyes. I witnessed it. I was in there with you even though I beat you up. But I. I was still in there and witnessed it.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

I know you still heard from them body shots.

[Joe]

You ain't do. Hey, you ain't doing body shot. You ain't even touch him up top. You just.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

I was ripping his body up. I wanna. I wanted some ribs that day.

[Otis Ocho]

Hey,

[Joe]

who's some of the like obviously at 147 they've been some great. I'm talking about historically great fights. Fighters. You got Hearns and you got Sugar Ray and you got Floyd. You've got a lot of fighters at that 147. Roy. Roy started out at 54. Roy is mainly known as of 60. 68. Marley 68. And then he moved from there to light heavy and end up winning the heavyweight championship. But who are some of the fighters when you were growing up? Say, you know what? I kind of. I kind of liked him

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

growing up. I always. Besides watching my dad and my brothers, I always watch Floyd. That was my Floyd. Roy Sweet Pea.

[Joe]

Sweet Pea had defense. He didn't have the greatest power. But you talk about. Hey, you talking about Slip? Actually, yeah.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

And Prince Nassim. My four favorite fight. That's all I used to watch. Like. Yeah. And that's. I feel like coming up in the amateurs and then like eventually turning pro and all that stuff. I feel like I just messed my dad, my brothers and then what they, you know, took pieces from Floyd and Roy and Pernod. And Prince Nassim. And, like, now, I didn't start. I started watching, like, James, Tony and Survey Leonard. Like, I'm just trying, like, still all different things, you know? That's how you get better. That's how you learn better. And that's what I've been on, you know, I'm just still a little different things from different people and then just trying better myself, that's all.

[Uncle Joe]

If you had to pick one fighter today that. That you enjoy watching, and when you watch them fight, everything about their style of fighting is the definition of what the sweet science is. Who. Who would that be? Outside. Outside of yourself. You said you would pay you like old time or just come watch him fight.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Old school or not. Right now. Today.

[Uncle Joe]

Right now. Like, right now. Yeah.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Trying to think. I ain't gonna lie. Like Ben

[Uncle Joe]

Connor. Ben.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

No.

[Otis Ocho]

Bam.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Bam Rodriguez.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, Bam. Okay, okay, okay.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Yeah. I think he, like. I think he a complete package. He do it. I think he do it all, like, for today's. For, like, for today. Today.

[Otis Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

He's slick. You got inside game, he got outside game. You got pressure fight. He could box. I. I think he. Besides myself. I feel like it'll be him.

[Otis Ocho]

Okay.

[Uncle Joe]

I like it.

[Joe]

Hey, who you talk. Who you. Top five Philly fighters.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Top five Philly fighters ever.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Man, I don't know.

[Joe]

Smoking Joe gotta be in there.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Joe first for sure.

[Otis Ocho]

Smoking Joe Bhop gotta be in there.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

You got. You could throw B hop in there. I ain't really. I never really watched too much coming up, so I can't really, really say, but you can throw B hop in there. Joe Frazier, B hop. I don't know. I'm missing some Melrick Teller. I'm gonna be missing some people.

[Joe]

But he got robbed to get shot. He got robbed.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Yes, he did. He did. And so did. So did Pernell, too. That's my favorite fight. One of my favorite fights to watch. Yeah.

[Otis Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah, man. Still. Richard still was on the. On the fight. Was caught. Was the ref in the fight against Chavez? Mildred.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

And everybody was talking about, oh, he's. Oh, shave is fighting a great fight. What's called. And then he stopped the fight with, like, six, seven seconds to go in the game. Because Taylor would have won the fight.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Yep.

[Otis Ocho]

Hey, hey, Boots, you gotta. You got a birthday coming up, bro, on the 26th, you know, that's the same. That's the same day as uncle.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Who birthday? 26. Oh, man. My birthday, brother. Oh, man.

[Otis Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We got three councils on here.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Yeah, yeah. That's what's up. Yeah, that's the day I weigh in, too. That's, you know. You know, I fight the 27th.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

So it's an early birthday give to my, you know, well, late birthday gift to myself, you know. You know, after I win.

[Otis Ocho]

That's what's up.

[Joe]

So.

[Otis Ocho]

So I was asking that because I'm sure you probably don't really have much of a celebration you gonna do for real, knowing that you gotta fight the next day. Like, what?

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

No, my. Well, my celebration is gonna be me getting in the ring and putting the hands on them, you know, come back home with two new, brand new belts, you know, being a unified, you know, weight division. 2, 2, 2 division. Unified weight division champion. That's all I'm worried about right now, you know, that's my. That's my birthday. Good to myself.

[Uncle Joe]

You're known to be a gym, right after a fight, how long you gonna take off,

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

you know. You know, I get right back.

[Uncle Joe]

A week. A week.

[Joe]

All right.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

My last. Well, my last fight was only around, but I got right. I was back in the gym on Monday. But like, it depends. Like, it depends how the fight be going. You know, if I'm. If I hurt something or if I'm sore, I might wait maybe. Maybe a week.

[Otis Ocho]

A week.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Probably the longest, though. But I'm back in the gym Monday or Tuesday. Like, right. Back in the gym. Yeah.

[Otis Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. What's the thought process, though, when you train for six to eight, 10 weeks, and then you go in there and whoop a dude in a round? Like, I mean, is that kind of ideal for you? Or you like, damn, I ain't really getting no work tonight.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

I love it. We don't get people over time, get in, get out, in and out like a robbery. We don't get paid for ot.

[Joe]

Hey, if I get in this thing in the first round, I'm trying to get him up out of there.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

I mean, at the end of the day, fans want to see a little bit of boxing. Anyone see a knockout? But if you can get a knockout early, go get it. And that's what I. That's what I'll be on. Yeah, you know. You know, I love bringing home the knockouts boost.

[Joe]

We gonna get you out here on this. Obviously, A.J. brown is no longer in Philly. What are your thoughts on that, and what do you think your Eagles gonna do?

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Oh, man. I mean, A.J. brown, he was a cool, cool. It was a cool dude. He came to our gym, you know, he was, you know, Chilling with us and all that and working out and stuff like that. Cool, dude. You know, I think. I think the Eagles gonna be all right this year, though. They got. That's the guy, Lemons. I like him. He nice. You got, you got, you got Smitty. Smitty gonna go crazy this year. You know, I think. I think we're gonna be good. I think we're gonna be all right. I think. I think we're gonna go to the super bowl again.

[Uncle Joe]

I got it. I got one. I got. I got one more question. Talk to me like, you know I've been doing this about not eight years, right?

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

You know, being. Get real sharp, spend some time with you spend some time with all the top fighters stealing stuff from each other. Like, if we. If we got in there right now, right?

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Ultra. I will put you out in 20 minutes. I mean, 20 seconds.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, I'm not the same. Hey, I'm not the same. I'm. I'm not the same, you know, person I was when we sparred two, three years ago.

[Otis Ocho]

He saying he ain't either.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

And I'm bigger now.

[Joe]

Huh?

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

And I'm bigger now.

[Uncle Joe]

I'm. I'm bigger now. And. And I'm sharper.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Oo.

[Uncle Joe]

What?

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Just. Just give me. Just give me 30 seconds. 20 seconds.

[Joe]

Hey.

[Otis Ocho]

Damn. Hey, hey, hold on.

[Uncle Joe]

I guarantee. I guarantee you, we go seven rounds,

[Joe]

you go, hey, booze, you go walking.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

I'm a smarty, smart smarty.

[Joe]

I don't want ribs no more.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

I want 10 now.

[Otis Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Joe]

Hold up.

[Otis Ocho]

Hey. Boost for you. Get a hold to him. I got Taz ass up first.

[Joe]

Y.

[Otis Ocho]

And then I'll send him on. You let me touch him up first, then I'll let you get him.

[Joe]

Yeah, ya.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Come record that at the gym. Come do it at the gym. That'd be. That'd be crazy content.

[Uncle Joe]

We could do. We could do. We could do an episode of Nightcap at the Gym. Yeah, and I'mma lump him up. I'm gonna give him seven rounds. Hey. Running a running clock. Running clock.

[Joe]

That man said he want a running clock.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

On who?

[Joe]

Me? You?

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Oh, no. We gotta make sure we got the ambulance deer. We gotta make sure we got doctors on site.

[Uncle Joe]

Listen, you. You taught me too much. That's why I talk so much trash now.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Hey, you know it's real, right?

[Uncle Joe]

I know it's real. I've been in there. I didn't been through the storm.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

No.

[Uncle Joe]

I got an umbrella now.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

That ain't gonna work. This one blow rule too hard for that man.

[Otis Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

My hands register, man.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

You crazy, man. Something wrong with you, man. After I get you a 10, I'm G. Have some McDonald's waiting for you.

[Joe]

He ain't gonna be able to eat it.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

They gonna have to drink it. They g to parade it and drink it.

[Joe]

Just hope that. Hope the McDonald's ice cream machine working because that's gonna be a heat up song.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, booze, best of luck on the fight, man. Hey, when you. When you win this fight, come back and tell us how you did it.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

For sure.

[Joe]

That's Jerome.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Definitely coming back with them two. Two brand new bros. Appreciate y', all, man.

[Otis Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Yeah, already.

[Joe]

Thank you, bro.

[Otis Ocho]

Thank you very much.

[Joe]

Jaron boots and is gearing up for his 154 against.

[Otis Ocho]

Hey, where you fighting it?

[Uncle Joe]

In Philly. It's fighting Philly. Oh, in New York. I think it's in New York. If I'm not mistaken, it might be. I think it's New York.

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[Uncle Joe]

I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

[Otis Ocho]

Hey, hey. I like booze, bro. He put on the show when he out there.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey, Uncle Joe. You know, I know. I'm sitting here playing around talking about what I do, even though I've been. When I stepped in that ring with that young fool, with that young fella there,

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

he.

[Otis Ocho]

Nothing nice.

[Uncle Joe]

And it. You know, I got to the point in round two, and I'm looking in his eyes.

[Otis Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

And I want to say, are you forgetting that it's me?

[Joe]

Is that Barclays guys?

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Joe, I'm looking. I'm like, are you forgetting that it's me? Because he's. He's gone.

[Joe]

Yeah, he's really going.

[Uncle Joe]

He's not realizing, dude, this is. I'm just. I'm just training, trying to. Trying to work. He going for real. His 60. His 60 was overwhelming. And, man, he tore my ribs up right

[Joe]

when you watch a pro and that's what people don't realize. When you watch a pro and he's going against somebody that's not a pro, you look at guys that are really good at golf and when they go up against pro golfers, they make. They look like me. When you see a. When you see a basketball guy and he goes up against an average guy, he makes him look like me. Or you look at a guy, football, you look at stuff like that, you watch a pro and do you look, you're like. Now you understand why he or she are pros. There's levels to this. There's levels to this man.

[Otis Ocho]

Absolutely.

[Joe]

And I don't think people realize that when you see. Oh, man, he a really good golfer. Boy, a pro golfer. Beat him by 10 shots.

[Otis Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey, Joe, you know what? I. I'm hard headed too, Joe.

[Otis Ocho]

We all know that. Ocho.

[Uncle Joe]

No, I didn't been in there with. I didn't been in there with. With boost. I didn't got whooped. DBD four rounds. I didn't been in there with Caleb Plant. They got what. I didn't been there with both Charlo twins, then got whooped. I didn't got whooped by everybody. Just to see what it's like to see if at some point, if I can just get a little closer, just a little closer to landing something.

[Joe]

You started too late.

[Uncle Joe]

I know. Hey, Joe, I ain't landed shot about eight years.

[Joe]

You, hey, you, hey. You need to. Instead of starting eight years ago, you need to start it when you years old.

[Otis Ocho]

Yeah, right, right.

[Joe]

You got to be able to see them punches.

[Uncle Joe]

Man, I can't see shit.

[Joe]

And you ain't got the one. I too. Yeah, they tear your ass up. That's why you got to be able to see the budget, man. The punch will be coming, so. And I tell people, if you've never been to a fight, you think what you're seeing on TV is fast watching and watching it up close in real time.

[Uncle Joe]

Crazy.

[Otis Ocho]

Yeah, it's a difference. Watching it on TV is just like in the NFL or the NBA. You think them damn dudes ain't moving fast out there? You want to boy them boys moving out there, it's different.

[Joe]

That's what. And I tell, that's what I tell people, Joe. I say, you think, I say from the stands is one thing. Get field level, be on the sideline and watch them collisions. Then you'll get an appreciation. You like, damn, you take his like that every Sunday? 16, 17 times or something? No. Yeah, I mean, you catch 10 passes. Hey, all of them ain't gonna be no touchdowns. So you will get your ass busted.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

So. And you like. Yeah, hell yeah. Those licks are like that. Those guys are moving and everybody coming with bad intentions. You know, they come in with bad intentions. Now I'll look. Some of the physicality is still. Listen, when Ocho and I, we talk about. Guys, some of the Philly Cali has been removed and it has. It's been legislated out. But if you think they not still coming out, they're still not hitting. You fooling yourself now. Hey, I want to see. No, you don't want to see what it feel like because you're gonna get broken because you don't know how to take a hit and you don't know how to fall. So if the hit don't break your ass when you hit the ground, you will get broken up. You gotta understand how to fall with those. And most people don't. Don't know how to fall when they take a shot.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, it's an art. It's art to it, Joe. You know what I wish?

[Joe]

You gonna be all stiff. You're gonna end up stiff and try to brace and you'll dislocate your shoulder. You dislocate your elbow, you dislocate a finger. You don't. You don't understand that. But no, it's a whole different ball game. Pro and, and from a pro to an amateur, even from a pro to a guy that's wanting to be a pro. Until you understand that it's. It's level. It's level to this.

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

It really is.

[Uncle Joe]

I don't think they will ever understand, Joe. You know, you think about Twitter, you think about social media, you think about everyone having a voice now, especially when it comes to the respective craft that they enjoy watching and always talk about the players. Yeah, I wish I had the opportunity to. To be in that atmosphere and maybe play against those players and see how fast the game is or whether it's boxing or whether it's football or. Or whether it's basketball to see how difficult the game really is. Because everyone talks as if they're so great, you know, on social media, behind the keyboard, on what, oh, I would have done this or I would have done that.

[Joe]

I played ball.

[Uncle Joe]

Not really understanding or respecting the craft in general. On hard. On how hard it is to do at that level.

[Otis Ocho]

Hey, it. It's got a lot of challenges, man. I'm talking about if you ain't started playing when you was Young, it's hard to jump in. 16, 17 years old, talking about I'm gonna be a pro in any damn sport.

[Uncle Joe]

Man, please,

[Joe]

man, hold on, I'm trying to find this thing because there was like, I think I said it to you guys where like 25, 30 of the people believe they could beat a grizzly bear in a hand to hand combat.

[Uncle Joe]

Grizzly who?

[Otis Ocho]

Man, please.

[Uncle Joe]

Grizzly, grizzly ass.

[Joe]

Grizzly bear. No, people actually believe that they could be. We have this conversation, you know, there are people that sit at home and they watch the Olympics and when they ask them what event you think you could get a gold medal in, people be talking about swimming. People be talking about, they'd be. I'm like, bro, do you realize these people have trained a lifetime? The majority of these people have trained a lifetime and they don't get a gold medal. And somehow you think you sitting your fat lazy ass on the couch and you gonna go out there and get a gold medal just cause you said

[Otis Ocho]

it ain't no way.

[Joe]

I mean people are delusional. People believe they can be the grizzly. People believe they can be the lion. People believe they can wrestle a crocodile alligator. I'm like, boy, y' all are. Hold on.

[Uncle Joe]

What about the gorilla?

[Otis Ocho]

Man, please. Don't Folks don't. Folks don't believe that.

[Uncle Joe]

Ojo man, listen, hey, Joe, they, they need to bring back pro versus Joe's.

[Otis Ocho]

Hey, and if they think they can, and if they think they can hand to hand come back with a grizzly, grizzly gonna slap fire out of them, you hear me? Knock the taste out they mouth, do that.

[Joe]

Do they understand how tall a male grizzly bear?

[Uncle Joe]

Once they, once they go on their hind legs?

[Joe]

Yeah, they damn. They damn near 10ft tall, weigh 1200 pounds. Did you see the claws? I mean literally, he would literally slap you one time. And like they do it like and like they do in the cartoons. You like an accordion. That's literally. He would like literally split you and you being like 5, 6, 7.

[Otis Ocho]

Absolutely, absolutely.

[Joe]

They take down 8, 5, 6, 7, 800 pound animals to eat alive. What chance do the average man that's 5, 9, 185, 190. Let's give him 200. What chance you got against not even a female of most of the tax happen with females because somebody close to the cubs forget that big, that big dog papa. But my bad, maybe 1800 pounds. Maybe they weigh 1800 pounds. But people are delusional. I'll be living. I'm like, y', all, I said these Are people that's really never seen a grizzly or a lion or a tiger in person. Because if you saw one in person,

[Otis Ocho]

ain't no way you think, no, look, no way.

[Joe]

A house cat to get on your ass and make you say, get rid of it. A house cat that y' all see walking the damn street, he'll set fire to you. You're like, man, I ain't getting no cat and make you give him away. But somehow you gonna be the 400 pound lion or 7, 800 pound tiger. Man, y' all better get y' all ass out.

[Otis Ocho]

Hey, hey. You be on there watching Animal Planet like me, don't you?

[Jaron 'Boots' Ennis]

Bad.

[Otis Ocho]

Yeah, I watch it too. Hey, hey, hey. Them animals ain't no joke, boy. Hey, hey. You better respect nature.

[Uncle Joe]

You got to.

[Joe]

I do. That's why I don't stay by. Hey, I stay my ass out the woods. He. He had me in the woods for 20 years. And I. I ain't. I run into no panthers. I ain't running to no bears. I ain't running to nothing. Yeah, we kill water moccasins and rattlesnakes and stuff like that. But I'm good. I respect them because I know. I see what hogs do to our dogs. I see what halls do to people. No, no. Hey, them big old what the male wild hogs my grandmother had had just like this. You try to feed them. They ripped the whole sack. Boy, go up there and get them dogs. Me and Spanking run up there. We let Champ and Bruce out. Them jokers clear the fence. They already know what time it is. They grab the mirrors and sit down.

[Otis Ocho]

Hey, listen. What's up?

[Uncle Joe]

Have you seen the two? You've seen the clip of the grizzly bears fighting and then. I know you probably seen it.

[Otis Ocho]

Yeah, I probably have. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. By the back of the neck. A side of it was torn, like side.

[Otis Ocho]

His leg or something.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, you saw?

[Otis Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Think about how tough his hide is. And he opened him up like that. What you think he do to a human?

[Otis Ocho]

Eat your face off?

[Joe]

They talk. They take that. When they take down. They take down a. An elk. Elk weigh 5, 6, 800 pounds. But somehow y' all gonna.

[Otis Ocho]

Bro. Listen, Ocho, I lived in Utah. I lived in Park City. I lived in Park City. When I tell y', all, they used to have. Used to be mooses in our yard. Backyard, front yard. You leaving them big mooses, Ocho.

[Uncle Joe]

Huge.

[Otis Ocho]

I'm talking about if they ain't bigger than horses. You hear me?

[Joe]

Yeah. They don't. You don't realize.

[Otis Ocho]

And they don't play neither. I'm talking about.

[Joe]

No, no, no, no, no. Especially, especially if you catch the female females with them kids or you catch the males. When it's big things, when it's time, when it's time to make ocho. You catch an animal when it's time to mate. That test rostron, I mean, it's going through the roof and it's, it's not eight, ten times higher than what it normally is.

[Otis Ocho]

Hey, that's when they attack and kill you.

[Joe]

Tear your ass up.

[Otis Ocho]

I'm talking about, I'm talking about, man, I'm talking about. I was literally 3, 4ft away from a moose. I'm pulling out the driveway one day. I had to stop, grab the trash can and go put it back up, man. The big ass moose was right there in the driveway, bro. I left that trash can right there.

[Joe]

I got that.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, you know what? Speaking of animals that you could domesticate. I know, I know I probably can't because I don't have a wildlife license, but, you know, you can own, you can own a hyena.

[Otis Ocho]

You don't want that, Ojo.

[Uncle Joe]

No, I'm just, I mean, Joe, I can't, I can't do it because I'm on the road too much. But for some reason, I like hyenas.

[Otis Ocho]

What you like about hyenas?

[Uncle Joe]

They, they just funny, they laugh just like me. Yeah, I don't know, I just seen a few people that, that domesticated hyenas, but obviously they have a wildlife license and they just, they like cuddly and they like fun and stuff.

[Otis Ocho]

Oh, man.

[Joe]

12% of the men believe they can beat a gorilla. 12% of the men believe they can beat a lion. 11 of the men believe they can beat an elephant. 7 to 8% of men believe they can beat a grizzly bear. 14 of the men believe they can beat A crocodile. 23 of the men believe they can beat a king cobra.

[Otis Ocho]

With no weapon.

[Joe]

18 of the men believe they can be the wolf. 22% of the men believe they can be the chimpanzee.

[Otis Ocho]

With no.

[Joe]

With no weapon, man. No weapon. Just beating one.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, when it comes to the snakes, Uncle Joe, we don't have the reflexes to even survive.

[Joe]

We don't have reflexes. He'd have been you twice. And the next day, you know, you just like getting dizzy.

[Otis Ocho]

Yeah,

[Uncle Joe]

yeah. We do not have the reflexes for that.

[Joe]

Unless you're a cat.

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[Joe]

You notice how a cat could Be right there. And he strike that cat to move back. That cat done jump back or don't slap me. You ain't got no cat reflex.

[Uncle Joe]

I don't understand how they do that,

[Joe]

but people are people people.

[Uncle Joe]

I don't understand how cats do that. I don't want.

[Joe]

If you notice how you hold a cat, Ocho, and you drop him and he lands on his feet.

[Uncle Joe]

Yep.

[Joe]

Because he turns his back. He turns his back half one way and his front half another way. That's why he always. Every time, no matter how close you drop no hat.

[Otis Ocho]

Yeah, I don't miss him.

[Joe]

I grew up, we used to have cats all the time. My grandmother found the cat at the nursing home and brought her home. Her name was Tiger. Named the Tiger Gal. Man, Tiger Guy had so many litters. And Jesus Christ, man, we. I bet you we had. If we had 15 cats, we had.

[Otis Ocho]

Damn.

[Uncle Joe]

Damn.

[Joe]

And then every time my grandma go fishing here, y' all go. She like, hey, man, I was like, where did cats come from? They like, you see the movie. That's how the cats be coming out the damn wood to get the fish heads and fish cuts. I'm like, y' all need to leave. But when you got cash, you ain't got rats. Because if you got rats, you got snakes. It's a trade off. And I don't care who you are, if you in the country, if you got rats, you got snakes. It's really that simple.

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