Nightcap Hour 1: Ernest Jones LETS LOOSE at Seahawks Super Bowl PARADE + Joey Porter Jr. RIPS Ben Rothlisberger + Shams RELEASES SUSPENSIONS for Pistons & Hornets + Warriors PETTY RELATIONSHIP with Kuminga

Summary

Club Shay Shay “Nightcap Hour 1” (Feb 12, 2026)

Host: Shannon Sharpe
Co-hosts: Chad Johnson (Ochocinco), ISO Joe Johnson
Main Theme:
A lively, unfiltered recap of the latest sports headlines and drama—centered on the Seahawks’ Super Bowl parade, outspoken locker room confessions in Pittsburgh, NBA brawls and suspensions, and a candid look at team/organizational dynamics in the NBA. The tone is classic “Nightcap”: celebratory, sharp, and loaded with personal stories, insider perspective, and plenty of jokes.

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Seahawks Super Bowl Parade: Ernest Jones IV Steals the Show

Segment Begins: [05:34]

• Clip plays of Seahawks’ Ernest Jones IV firing up the crowd at the victory parade.
  • “I’m gonna keep it a buck. I’m probably the last person they should have gave the mic to, but we finna turn up, man!” — Ernest Jones IV [05:34]
• Jones thanks squad, staff, ownership, and shouts out the Seahawks’ defense and the city, capping it off with:
  • “If you got anything to say about my quarterback, you got anything to say about my defense, you got anything to say about online, and you got anything to say by the city of Seattle, I got two words for you.” [06:06]
• Shannon & Co. react:
  • Shannon: “He told you as soon as he got the mic, he’s probably the last person you should have given the mic. And he did not disappoint.” [06:26]
  • Joe Johnson: “I absolutely love it. You know, all the hard work they put in... you have a chance to celebrate and talk a little trash behind it because now you have that ring, you have that trophy, so why not?” [07:02]
• Discussion:
  • Consensus: It's the players’ moment to talk big, especially after being doubted.
  • Shannon lauds the “complete” team win: offense, defense, and especially special teams.
  • Analysis of Sam Darnold’s redemption arc: from NFL afterthought to Super Bowl champion.
• Notable Insight:
  • Shannon on Sam Darnold’s turnaround—“He was basically a reclamation project…Jets got rid of him…Carolina got rid of him…He goes to San Fran for a year…And here he is at the top of the mountain.”

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The Quarterback Tier Debate: Where Does a Super Bowl Put You?

Segment Begins: [09:40]

• Comparing Sam Darnold’s legacy to others: cautioning against overreacting.
  • Shannon: “Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl, and they never said he was a top 10 quarterback…We got to be careful” [11:14]
• Joe: “The fact that his name is in the conversations because he’s won a Super Bowl…But if you’re starting a team, you’re not picking him over Burrow, Mahomes…” [11:51]
• Ocho: “It’s like we’re prisoners of the moment…we all can have one great year, you know what I mean? Two. Two pretty good years. But let’s see if he can sustain…” [13:04]
• Extended chat about contract incentives and how winning typically leads to a raise—if you’re a quarterback.
• Deep-dive into why fit and timing matter so much in pro sports (“Sometimes it’s about being in the right situation at the right time”). [14:56]

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Locker Room Business—Steelers Edition: Joey Porter Jr. Rips Big Ben

Segment Begins: [24:25]

• Clip of Joey Porter Sr. (on Cam Heyward’s podcast) unloading on Ben Roethlisberger:
  • “If we’re talking Steeler business, his ass is foul of all foul…he’s not a good teammate…But we protected him because I only won one Super Bowl and that was my quarterback…Is he a good person? No.” [25:22]
• The crew reacts, breaking down the “brotherhood code” and the challenge of public vs. private criticism of teammates.
• Shannon: “There are some things that were going on [with Big Ben] that didn’t get reported…we know them better than any reporter, better than their own family…” [28:04]
• Joe: “He wasn’t a good person or a good teammate.” [28:04]
• Ocho’s locker room anecdote: His own “halftime meltdown” as a player, including pulling an IV and causing a scene about not getting the ball in a playoff game [30:04].
  • “I lost it. I snatched the IV out my hand…I came out and I’m fussing, and I’m not screaming at anybody directly…I lost it, Joe.” [30:41]
• Discussion on how much is really hidden by teammates/media, how good reputations are maintained or protected, and the double life many stars lead “camouflaged” from fans.

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NBA Drama: Pistons/Hornets Brawl & Suspensions

Segment Begins: [45:25]

• News update: NBA suspended Isaiah Stewart (7 games), Miles Bridges (4), others less.
• Ocho: “They was very generous with Stewart because he’s a repeat offender…he’s known for, you know, having violent acts on the court…” [45:51]
• Shannon: “This is not a good look for the league. This is why they got away from all that in the 80s and 90s. David Stern wasn’t playing this…” [47:24]
• All agree: The league is softer now by necessity and culture, and wild brawls are bad for business, not to mention players’ checks (Stewart’s suspension: $724K lost).
• Shannon: “You want to fight? Join the military. They looking for a few good men and women…But you’re not going to do that here.” [47:04]
• Ocho: “Too many times, you know, he didn’t let his emotions get the best of him.” [48:53]
• Joe points out how rare actual player fights are in the NBA now: “Most of the time, the most we get is we see shoving. Outside of shoving, you never see it come to blows…” [50:44]

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Sideline: The Petty Dynamics of Team Relationships (Warriors & Jonathan Kuminga)

Segment Begins: [67:58]

• Discussion on Jonathan Kuminga’s issues with the Warriors, including alleged family/friends taking too much food from the family room.
  • Joe: “I think it’s petty. I mean, and it’s a family room. You’re not. Now you’re trying to chastise and tell my family how much food they could take.” [71:51]
• Shannon responds: “First of all, you’re not Steph Curry. Steph Curry can take whatever he want. You’re not him…there’s a pecking order. It’s called production intolerance. When your production is high, tolerance level for BS is even higher.” [72:14]
• The guys banter about locker room etiquette, how stars vs. role players are treated, and how family/friends must be managed.
• Ocho: “You gotta understand, some family members don’t understand the etiquette…you have to put them in a place like, hey don’t be up here, eating up everything in sight…” [77:15]

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NBA Structural Issues: Rest Rules, Tanking, and Star Sitting

Segment Begins: [61:32]

• Bill Simmons quote: “It’s the first time I’ve really wondered like, do we have the right guy running this league?...your schedule is too long. You have to fix this…Anthony Edwards can only miss 7 games. Kawhi, 4. Victor Wembanyama, 4. Steph Curry, 2…” [61:32]
• Ocho: “I knew this was going to be a problem when they implemented this, this into the NBA season…65 games, you can see it put a lot of the stars out of, out of contention.” [61:57]
• They discuss tanking for the upcoming high-profile draft class:
  • The mention of young stars like Cameron Boozer, Debonza, and Cooper Flag as reasons for teams to lose on purpose.
• Side note: How fans suffer with load management—“Stars sell the league. That’s why you want it. That’s why you put up with a lot of that BS Ocho. And you give them the keys to the car because you need that.” — Shannon [63:42]

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Notable Quotes & Off-the-Cuff Moments

• “The man that hesitate is beat in the NFL.” — Shannon [20:01]
• “If the D on my hip, Joe, I’m open. Yeah. If he’s right here and I’m here, I’m open. This scott free. And you five, six. No. Unless it’s a busted coverage, that ain’t happening.” — Shannon [21:04]
• “Everyone’s not going for any of those guys [over Mahomes, etc.].” — ISO Joe [12:19]
• On dealing with locker room frustration:
  • “I just snatched [the IV] out. I’m like, no, we are not letting these people come in our house and dictate what we do offensively.” — ISO Joe, quoting Ocho [32:25]
• On star privilege:
  • “My homeboys were on the sideline…There are a few other guys, but everybody’s not like that. You gotta understand your position in the organization…” — Shannon [72:14]

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Closing Section: Basketball Prospects & Star Power

Segment Begins: [64:15–end]

• Discussion turns to NCAA prospects, future NBA stars, and the reality checks rookies get upon entering the league.
• Anecdotes about veteran all-stars like Richard Jefferson, Sean Marion, and how perception vs. reality hits young pros.
  • “You can be great your whole life, on every team you’ve played on, you started, you’ve been the guy…Then you get around some real pros…” — Ocho [80:49]

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Summary Takeaways

• Seattle Seahawks’ parade is a moment of unfiltered joy and trash talk, with Ernest Jones IV as the hype man, and Sam Darnold emerging as the latest example of a career turned around by opportunity.
• Reminder from all: Championships are won by teams—not just quarterbacks. Don’t overreact to single seasons.
• Steelers’ “family business” hits public airwaves—locker room codes, personal vs. professional, and protecting reputations.
• NBA brawls are increasingly rare but punished harshly; the modern league won’t tolerate 1980s/90s-style violence for business reasons.
• Warriors’ internal drama with Kuminga underscores how quickly organizational relationships sour—and how petty (or not) these issues can be perceived, especially for non-stars.
• NBA structural reforms—rest rules, minimum games for awards—are having unintended consequences, sidelining stars and affecting league excitement.
• It’s a league—and a show—where star power, drama, and knowing your place in the hierarchy still mean everything.

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Useful For New Listeners:
This episode delivers everything “Nightcap” fans crave—bold opinions, real insider stories, lively debate, and plenty of personality from its hosts. It swings from celebration to critique, from league business to personal anecdotes, always with an edge and an ear for what sports fans are really talking about.

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What's up, gang?

[Shannon Sharp]

Good. We good. We miss you out there in the bay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I see, man, look like y' all had a hell of a time.

[Shannon Sharp]

Was had. The time was half.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe.

[Shannon Sharp]

You missed it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Joey. Had a good old time.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I see, I see.

[Shannon Sharp]

Ocho. Okay.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, I was out there dibbling and dabbling.

[Shannon Sharp]

Can you imagine if the super bowl was in Houston? Oh, we.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, how about can you imagine the super bowl was in Houston, Miami or Atlanta?

[Shannon Sharp]

No, it was in Atlanta in 20. 19. 20. 19. 2020. I happen to be here.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I've been in the lady.

[Shannon Sharp]

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[Ernest Jones IV]

I'm gonna keep it a buck. I'm probably the last person they should have gave the mic to, but we finna turn up, man. First off, I want to say shout out to Jody Allen, shout out to John Snyder for making this all possible, man. Shout out to coach Mike McDonald for helping us get to this point, man. But also shout out to these badass who play this game the right way.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey.

[Ernest Jones IV]

Not only do we have the best defense in the world, we got the best team in the world. And quite frankly, if you got anything to say about my quarterback, you got anything to say about my defense, you got anything to say about online, and you got anything to say by the city of Seattle, I got two words for you.

[Shannon Sharp]

You damn. Well, he told you as soon as he got the mic, he's probably the last person you should have given the mic. And he did not disappoint. The adulation, the excitement. I mean, you know, they brought a world championship and they did it in dominating fashion. That defense was sensational throughout the playoffs. Yeah, they bend a little bit against the, the Rams guys. You know, Matthew Stafford had a night of nights, but Matthew Stafford won the MVP for a reason. So we can expect them to have those type of nights. But in the super bowl, that defense was dominating. Ocho, do you like, do you like what Ernest Jones the fourth had to say?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I mean, hey, listen, I absolutely love it. You know, all the hard work they put in, obviously, reaching the super bowl, all the talk about Sam Donald and the stuff that, you know, they had to say. Any, any of the naysayers that, that doubted the Seattle Seahawks. It's okay. You won a Super Bowl. It's one opportunity. You have a chance to celebrate and talk a little trash behind it because now you have that ring, you have that trophy, so why not? It doesn't happen often and there's no, there's no guarantee that you get back there. So I'm, I'm all for it. I'm all for it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm with Ocho. You know, you, you, you reached the top. I mean we played this game obviously to compete, but you know, we also want to win championships as well. He got his opportunity to shine. Hey, let him get it off his chest, man. Let him know how you feel, baby.

[Shannon Sharp]

John Snyder. It might be like maybe, maybe a little less, but I get it. But like I said, Ocho is so much excitement and he's been through this before. He won it with the Rams. And so, you know, here, here he is. He changed teams in the division, got traded to Tennessee, Tennessee trades him to the, to the Seahawks. And yeah, he's one of those guys that led, spearheaded that defense, was. But this was a total team effort. You look at the special teams, look at the kicker. 5 field, 17 points, 5 field goals, 2 PS look at the punter, how many times he kept him pinned down, pinned back. Rashid Shahid did not have a big return game, but guess what he didn't do OO put the ball on the dirt. So when they say total team victory, that's what it was. They ran the ball well, they threw the ball effectively. Sam Darnold didn't put the ball in harm's way that that first or third down play. I thought Jones got a great jump, but he wrong handed. Probably should have did this instead of that because you get more extension like this than you can like.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharp]

But all that being said, I thought as a team aspect, special team defense and offense, I thought they played a complete game. Obviously the offense wasn't as dominating as it was against San Francisco, but man, that's, that's an unbelievable feeling. And for a lot of those guys, look at the shirt he got Sam Donald with a cigar cigarette in his mouth, flipping people off. But that's what you have. You wanna, and we're going to talk about this.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

You see what, how guys support you when you are a good teammate. Man, you heard what he said when they lost to the Ram and he said, look, if y' all don't mess Rob with a quarterback. He said the Reason why we in damn near every game is because of the quarterback. And now he has a mishap. He doesn't play as well as we're used to seeing. Now y' all want to beat him up? F y'.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All.

[Shannon Sharp]

He said that way back when. Now Sam Darnold's like, okay, now look at me. I'm at the top of the mountain. I'm at the top of the mountain. I'm sitting pretty. A lot of teams gave up on me, but I. He said something. Sam Darnold said something very interesting. He said, I appreciate you guys believing in me because, oh, you remember the last game of the season and then the, and then the playoffs. He didn't look good. And maybe that scared Minnesota off. That didn't scare us, that didn't scare Seattle off because John Snyder and McDonald felt like, you know, what with the, what we have assembled here. Yeah, we get a quarterback, we can win, we can go far. We can go really, really far. Go ahead, Ocho.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, I was going to say what Minnesota saw, it shouldn't have scared them off. It shouldn't have scared them off. I mean, it's ridiculous because now look where they are again. I'll say it again. Minnesota is in quarterback purgatory because you don' Know what you. Where you're going to go or what you're going to do from now on. Okay, maybe Jay Z. McCarthy comes back. Any, any, any somewhat. Half of what Sam Donald was before he left Minnesota. But as of right now, everything is up in the air. Maybe Kirk Cousin come back and save you if JJ McCarthy doesn't play up the par and that offense stalls at, at the way it is. But Sam Donald, un. In certain conversations now because he's won a Super bowl trophy, he going to go into the conversations with, with some of the quarterbacks that we talk about all the time that haven't won one year. Some of the greats. I'm not, I'm not saying he's one of the best in the game, but he has that ring. So therefore that catapults him in the conversation of the Lamar Jackson, the Joe Burrows, the Josh Allens and the Patrick Mahomes.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah. But it also goes to show you situations sometime, being in the right situation at the right time. I'm not one of those guys. Oh. And I've never been one of those guys. And Joe, let me know what you think, because a lot of times what people try to do, you win a Super bowl and then they say, well, you better than that guy Brad Johnson won a Super bowl, and they never said he was a top 10 quarterback. Trent Dilford won a Super bowl, and they never said he was a top 10 quarterback. Guys win championships, and they never say they're top 10 NBA players. So we got to be careful. Let's look at a total body of work over an extended period of time before we start arbitrarily, just trying to put somebody in that bracket because they want to sue. But go ahead, take off. Okay.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And one thing, Joe, one thing I do want to say. I want to clarify that, too. Now, if. If you. If you take a. Let's say you take. You talk about the quarterbacks, right? I'm not saying Sam Donald is better than those. Those top three of those top four, top five. I'm just saying the fact that his name is in the conversations because he's won a Super Bowl. But if you're picking it, if you're taking a choice and you're starting a team, you had Sam Donald, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes.

[Shannon Sharp]

I'm sure everyone's not going for any of those guys.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Exactly. So I'm not saying that. I'm just saying his name needs to come and come up in the conversations going into next year when we talk about some of the better quarterbacks in the NFL.

[Shannon Sharp]

And I think it will. I think it will. Joe, what do you think about that? Because we've seen that in the NBA, guys win a championship, and the first thing they say, well, he's better than this guy that's never won a championship. No, that is a team victory. We can say for a moment he had an unbelievable. But I'm not one of these guys because you won a championship. Now all of a sudden I'm thinking you are Pantheon Great.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, it's like we're prisoners of the moment, Ojo. You know, it's what's going on right now. Right now in time is what we stuck on. So Seahawks won the Super Bowl, Sam Donald got a ring, and now that's all everybody's talking about. You know what I mean?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But, yeah, I'm with you, Unk. It's like, you know, you got to give it an extended period of time, and then you can really gauge on how great a person is. You know what I mean? We all can have one great year, you know what I mean? Two. Two pretty good years. But let's see if he can sustain and put together, you know, a few. A few great years like that. That's what, you know, enhances your greatness.

[Shannon Sharp]

And I think the thing is, is quarterback is the only position we do that with. Because a DB wins a Super bowl, ain't nobody saying, well, he's better than this or he's better than that. A defensive lineman win the Super Bowl, a linebacker wins the Super Bowl. That's not what we do. Now if they're, if they're already on the cusp now, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, now they were to win a Super bowl. Now we're going to really have a, have to have a really, a real, real, real discussion because now you're talking about Lamar, that's one of the mvp, two of them. Josh Allen, that's one of the mvp. And now you talk about we're going to attach a Super bowl to it. And a whole lot of guys that can say that. So with that being said, I just like to be patient when we start throwing things around. And Sam Donald had an unbelievable season. We are not trying to take that away. But we need to be careful because I'm not, I'm sure nobody is saying, give me Brad Johnson over Dan Marino, give me Trent Dear for over Dan Marino. Give me some of these other quarterbacks that's won a Super bowl over Dan Marino. So let's, let's just be careful. He should enjoy this. They should redo his contract. They should redo his contract. What he signed for, he signed three years, like 100, 105 million. But he made four. $4 million incentives. A million dollars for the Super Bowl, 500,000 AFC championship, NFC championship, 500,000 for the divisional, 500,000 for, you know, making the Pro Bowl. So he made $4 million just in incentives.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, so listen, when, when, when you're not playing up the part of your contract and they want to restructure it, then so can you, can you come in and renegotiate when you just won a Super Bowl? You like, hold on, this ain't good enough.

[Shannon Sharp]

Normally they do that for the quarterbacks. There are back positions that they're willing to do that for, but the quarterback is the one position that they're normally willing to do that for. We see that a lot with Patrick Mahone because seem like every year oo they tear his contract up, give him more because. But he's taking less money because Patrick Mahomes, when he signed that 10 year, what was OO, $450 million deal, 500 million. It was at a discount. But he knows within the, basically like the day after the season they've got to Guarantee the contract for next year. So he like, cool. And plus he understands like the Tom Brady. Tom's like, look, yeah, I could be the highest paid, but at what expense? Because I'm trying to collect rings. And the best way to collect that is to have money. So I can keep a Travis Kelce, I can keep a Chris Jones, I can keep a Trey Smith, I can keep some of these guys in order to build out my roster. And so we're not so top heavy. We're paying a handful of guys and we're not able to build a complete roster. But what Sam Donald has been able to do, the train, the turnaround that he's enjoying, I don't know. In my time of really following the NFL, basically since about 76, 76, 77. I've never seen a story like this. I've never seen a guy. I mean, he was basically a reclamation project. Ocho, he's on the trash heap. The jets got rid of him after three years. Carolina got rid of him. And he goes to. He goes to San Fran for a year. And think about what he said, right? He said, I learned a lot in San Francisco. I learned a lot in San Francisco. Then he goes to Minnesota parlays. That goes 14 and three. That's what I tell guys, Joe. I tell you guys, Ojo, you know, I've said this. The team that you're playing for, they're not the only one that pay players. You auditioning for the other 31 teams? Yeah. And I need guys to understand that you think, well, oh, man. So it's just like if you're a young lady or a young guy, your girlfriend ain't the only one that got eyes. Your guy ain't the only one that got eyes. And just because they might not want to be with you or what might want to be in this relationship long term, that doesn't mean somebody else won't.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, right.

[Shannon Sharp]

And so I just need more guys to think about that because sometimes they get caught up in the thing. It's the end all be all where I'm at. And it's not all 32 teams pay. All 32 teams have a scouting department. And they watch tape. And that tape don't lie, man. When you put that tape in, that tape don't know what position you play. It don't know how much money you make. And it doesn't know where you came from. All it does is record what it sees, Ocho. So what you put on tape, that's your resume. That's who you Are. Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You know, to me, obviously, I'm not sure what down where Sam Donald ranks as far as pay goes. But after winning Super Bowl, I would love for them to be weighed down. Pay raise, but not. Yeah, not. Not a pay raise where it depletes being able to sign other players. I think Tyreek willing is up. I think there are some other.

[Shannon Sharp]

I don't think he comes back. Ocho. He's gonna get too much money. And you got Spoon. What you gonna do with Spoon? What you gonna do with jsn? You know, JSN's in third year. Ocho. He just finished his third year.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

So they. They want. They want to do it now, this off season.

[Shannon Sharp]

You know, Spoon is a month, if I'm not mistaken. I think Spoon and JSN came in together, didn't he? Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Devin Witherspoon might be. Might be up, so you have to take care of them. Tyreek Woolen, you finna hit him? Hit him across the head on the market. He's gonna hit him across the head on the open market outside. I mean, just give him. I understand. Just looking at Sam Donald and understanding the situation that he's in and the fact that he has competent, a competent organization around him, a competent gm, they're going to continue to build and put pieces around him. His ceiling is extremely high.

[Shannon Sharp]

And he's young.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Very. Yeah, yeah, he's young. He's very, very fairly young. So I'm excited for him. I'm excited for the Seahawks. They found their quarterback of the future. All they have to do now is continue to put pieces around him as long as he stays injury free. Damn Seahawks are always going to be competing coming out the nfc.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, but y' all know. Y' all know the more you win now, the more money you got to spend it is.

[Shannon Sharp]

And the more people. And the more people they come. Think about it. You already lost your offensive coordinator. He gone just like that, Ocho.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

No, when you win, everybody wants winners, so they come raise your hand house to get your. Your chicken that's laying golden eggs. Yeah, that's how it works. So you start to lose a lot of players. The more you win, the more they rob you now. Yeah, well, and I will say this. He gets lazy. Sometime he got beat for a touchdown because he got lazy. He got lined up late, didn't he, Ocho? And then he bull driving and he realized that Mac Hollis was already buying.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

You cannot have a letter. The man that hesitate. I had a coach tell me this. He said, the man that hesitate is beat in the NFL. And Joe, you notice in basketball if you hesitate, don't you? You beat. Cause the margin is so small, so small in order to win. Go ahead, I'm gonna tell you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe. And there's a reason why in football they call it. It's a game of inches. But that's all it takes, Joe. One, One mishap, one false step, one. One hesitation and you beat. And you think about them, think about the NFL. I'm speaking from a receiver standpoint and a DB standpoint like Joe, wide open is this. This is wide open. Yeah, Joe, I swear for God, this is wide open. So most of the time quarterbacks have to throw players open, you know, and sometimes you see busted coverage or stuff like that. But understanding when people say it's a game of vengeance, it's simply that. And most of the time it comes down to three, maybe four plays at a. At. At. At a. 70 plays and four quarters. Yeah, that makes a difference if you.

[Shannon Sharp]

Between the man and the ball. That's open.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Y. Basically.

[Shannon Sharp]

So if the D on my hip, Joe, I'm open. Yeah. If he's right here and I'm here, I'm open. This scott free. And you five, six. No. Unless it's a busted coverage, that ain't happening.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's about only time.

[Shannon Sharp]

That ain't happening.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that's about the only time. There's a few receiving, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, there's a few.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And I'm talking about a handful, maybe two or three that can create that kind of separation where it's like, well, God damn, he wide open now. It ain't too. Ain't too many. I'm talking about off the muscle, Joe. You know how you call for ISO?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I don't want no help.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And every time you finna give him that joke.

[Shannon Sharp]

I want the 1 4. Give me that 1 4. Now go get. Get out of here.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, I don't need the officer coordinator help. Hey, I don't need you to put me in motion. I don't need you to condense my split. Line me up to yours outside the numbers. I'm finna go to work.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You finna get money, man, get money.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It's only about three of them, Joe. That's it.

[Shannon Sharp]

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharp]

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharp]

Joy Porter senior had a lot to say about Big Ben Roethlisberger on Cam Hayward's podcast. Let's take a listen Oo and Joe what he had to say yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He.

[Shannon Sharp]

Broke the brotherhood then seven definitely broke the brotherhood because like that's the one I don't understand that seven do that did that we don't talk about I know is crazy like like out of anybody should talk he should never grab a microphone and really talk. Steal a business yeah because if we Talking Steeler business. His ass is foul of all foul. Like the shit that he's did is foul of all foul. He's not a good teammate won the Super Bowl, Woody. But the person. He's just not a good teammate. Like he knows that. Anybody in the Steeler building knows that. But we protected him because I've only won one super bowl and that was my quarterback. So do I love my quarterback? Yeah. But is he a good person?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Unc, what's going on over there? They need to have a. They need to call a meeting or something. Something Coming. Coming to God moment. This. This is the first. Listen, obviously we heard Debo and his frustrations when the Steelers weren't playing well and he voiced his frustration with Mike Tomlin. We've heard other players. We heard Ben Roethlisberger be. Be he chastised Mike Tomlin as well. And now Joy Porter senior coming to the defense of Mike Thomas saying, well, hell, Ben wasn't a great, great teammate. And there are things that happened. There were skeletons in the closet and we didn't let anybody know. And it's getting ugly over there, Joe.

[Shannon Sharp]

No, they didn't not. They didn't let anybody know. They didn't talk about it because Ocho, it's going to be tough for being to get in on the first ballot. There's a lot I'm telling you every. Oh, yeah, everybody. I remember some of the things that were going on that didn't get reported me, I'm not an inside. I ain't looking to put nobody personal business. Hold on.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You knew.

[Shannon Sharp]

What the hell happened?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Shannon Sharp]

So I. I just think the thing is it's like, look, I've only had a small interaction with being I met him in his rookie season.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He.

[Shannon Sharp]

My brother and I had an appearance on Amelia Island. If I'm not mistaken, the super bowl was in Jacksonville that year. With that being said, I'm not surprised. And if you go back and look, one of the first guys that commented on the what. What he said was Mason Rudolph. And then he had a big bullseye. There it is right there for yo Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What's going. What's going on?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, Rudolph.

[Shannon Sharp]

Go off Joe. Hey, Mason Rudolph said go off Joe. Reporter 55 Bullseye. I'm a Mike Mitchell Peasy talking that talk. Mike Adams a n hold them boys accountable. Being talking ish about anybody is comical.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Well, hold on. Wait. Wait a minute. All the Steelers players know what's going on. Is it. Is it that bad? I listen, I'm not. Don't put. I'm not asking, you know, to put his business out there, but is it that bad? Scale of 1 to 10. Remember halftime, we played the series and had. And nobody knows about what happened with me. So, scale of 10, you understand how bad that was, right? Scale of 10, is it worse than that?

[Shannon Sharp]

I think the thing is, Ocho, is that there is a culmination, and he. Look, I've been. And I think we've all. Joe, I think you could attest to this. We've been with guys that were great teammates but not good people. Yes, we've been with guys that were not good people but were great teammates. What Joy is saying he is a combination. He wasn't a good person or a good teammate.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Well, God damn.

[Shannon Sharp]

If that's what I, that's what I deduce from what he was saying. And, and, and, and, and, and for your look, and most of the time publicly, even if you, if you're the worst of the worst, your teammates will come to your defense because that's what you're supposed to do. And you see for the time they did that until he broke the code by coming after Mike Tomlin, and Peasy was like, hold on, bro. You should be the last one to talk about anybody right in Pittsburgh. Don't talk about Pittsburgh business unless you want to talk about your business. And so that, that, that is the problem that you run into. And this is what I tell guys from the outside. You guys know this. We're with these people eight, nine hours a day, six months out of the year. We know them better than any reporter. We know them damn near better than their own family. So when they be saying all that other stuff and this and that, and fans be talking about, oh, you don't know. No, you don't know. We know what the hell we talking about because we see them in work in ways and through a lens. You don't. So when fans keep talking about, you don't know what you're talking about. You don't know. You don't know. All you do is see their representative that they want you to see and how they conduct themselves. Go ahead, Ocho.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, see, hey, Joe, you see how everyone is somewhat camouflaged and they're representative. They, they. They. They perceive to be someone else in front of the camera. Yeah, that's why I was one way all the time. There's really nothing you can say, Joe. What you get on the show right now, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's the same thing you got on the field Hell, you know, you. You had to deal with me, talk about me from time to time, and what you see, the same fun loving, entertaining, same way I was in the locker room. Now, I know I was late. I had an incident, Joe. I could tell you, Joe. I mean, it's long gone. We're playing the Steelers one game, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Carson got hurt towards a.

[Shannon Sharp]

Towards a playoff game. I had that information, but I let it slide on Joe. I had that information.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah, you let it slide.

[Shannon Sharp]

You.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You let it slide, Joe. He let it slide, right? This is my only asshole coming. Coming to asshole moment.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It's halftime, Joe. I'm getting the iv. Joe. We come in, I'm hot because Carson goes down. Why are we not including me in the offense? Why are we allowing the Steelers to dictate what we doing in a playoff game, a game of this importance?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I lost it, Joe. I snatched the ivy out my hand. I come out the room, blood flying everywhere.

[Shannon Sharp]

Joe, what?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Joe, I. Joe, I lost it. I swear for God. I swear to God, I lost it. And I came out and I'm fussing, and I'm not screaming at anybody directly. I'm just snapping in general. Man, get me the ball. Give me the ball. It's not that hard. I. I can do it. I can do whatever you want me to do. Just give me the ball. Marvin, shut up. Hugh Jackson came over. Nigga, you. Hey, you done choked me out.

[Shannon Sharp]

You was asleep.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You done choked me out.

[Shannon Sharp]

This. This is how Ocho was. When Ocho got upset. Shoe was. Shoe was the guy that got all the venom. That was. He was. He was the pin cushion that Ocho put.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

Because Hugh knew how to. He knew how to relate. He knew how to deal with Ocho. Yeah. So Ocho, all of us. Ocho's frustration, even though he was talking, it was you that could get Ocho off the cliff. But we. I had that information. I say, you know what? And I'm sure they would love. Love for me to. But, no, not. We good. That ain't my job. Now, if somebody else did it, we were gonna have to talk about it. But I was like, nah, I ain't talking about that. And. And especially with something of that magnitude, when they tried to make somebody like us look bad, I ain't gonna do it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

I ain't gonna even hold you. But there are a lot of stuff when you. When you in the line of business that we were. That I was in, working with cbs, working with Undisputed, people would call and Tell me. Hey, check this out. You ain't hear from me. Put it in your words. I was like, man, if I were to say this, they gonna know exactly that this came. This came, came, came from inside the locker room. How else would somebody know that? And I ain't trying to put nobody out there like that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. Hey, Joe. I would hurry, Joe. I mean, I had the needle in my arm, Joe. I ain't even care. I just. I just snatched it out. I'm like, no, we are not letting these people come in our house and dictate what we do offensively. Are we even trying to win? Like, I'm like, come on, man. Okay, Carson is down, Jon Kitner comes in the game. That shouldn't stop anything we trying to do offensively. And it's like, I mean, what are we. What are we doing? And I was hurt, Joe. I was hurt because I understood how difficult it was for us to even get to this point.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And competing, competing. Boy, they bring it out of you, man. Bring that fire to you. Can't look, you be like me when we was in New York. You see red and you just go off.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You know what I'm saying?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, you went off before.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, I'm saying. I know what you mean. You know, you want that ball? You want.

[Shannon Sharp]

Hey, hey, man. Yeah, bring that ball over here.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And stop playing.

[Shannon Sharp]

Tough. Because they shielded Bam with a lot of things and a lot of stuff that was going on, they knew. And some. A lot of. Look, if you got a great rapport with a reporter, they'll catch and kill a lot of stuff. That won't make it a lot of stuff. If. If you ingratiate yourself in the city, you ain't gonna get no trouble. The cops will drive you home.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

Want to get in your car, drive your car home. You get in the police car, they drive you to where you going, park your car and get back and get going.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Shannon Sharp]

If you ingratiate yourself in the city, if you like, if you're not a dick or you know what? That's how they treat you. I'm not telling what somebody told you. I'm telling you what I know.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

So when I talk to you, chat, when I talk to y', all, when y' all hear Ocho and I. And I know y' all think Ocho joke a lot, but when I talk to you, I'm not telling what somebody told me. I'm telling you what I know with first hand knowledge.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

I just don't do it. I don't like to say, well, where I. Yeah, I'm not going to tell you where I got it from, but a lot of people still call me. I'm still him. Yeah. Yeah. I feel on some hard.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay, pop it, pop it.

[Shannon Sharp]

Let them know.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All right.

[Shannon Sharp]

Hey, I'm telling you, I still have great relationships with teams. A lot of my coaches and a lot of people that was in front office have bounced around. So you do realize, like a tree, like Sean McVeigh. So if I had a relationship with Sean McVeigh and all these other guys that bounced around, therefore, guess what? You got a relationship with all those other guys they're going to trust. Yes. Kyle Shanahan the same way. So if there's anything that I wanted to know, y' all don't really think I could find out, right?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn, man. Joe, you ever snapped before, Joe?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I probably had some heated moments.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

See y'. All. Let see y' all.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Joe couple, because in. In them playoff moments, bro, it's like you out there fighting, trying to do whatever you can just to get a win. And you know, in basketball, it's a seven game series.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It ain't like, yeah, we could be better than them for a game or two, but seven games, bro, the best team normally gonna win. So you definitely gonna have some frustrating moments, bro. Cause look, at some point, Uncle Ocho, y' all know this. In basketball, we know all your plays you gonna run. We know what you trying to do and how you trying to do it. Right now, it's your will against. Against my will. You know what I mean? So it's a little different.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah, it's.

[Ad-Libs/Announcer]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharp]

It's tough. It's tough. But I don't. I don't get it though, Joe. I don't. And I know there. There are times that. Look, I've always. Joe. And you know this, Ocho, they're bringing guys in, though. I don't care how many Pro Bowls they're going to bring receivers in. They're constantly looking to replace you. That's just the nature of the beast. But I know he can't beat me for this job right now. If you go ahead and move me on out the way, well, you ain't got to worry. He ain't got to worry about nothing but just beat me. Says, okay, this job is up for grab. Made the best man win. Well, I guess I was the best man because I'm a win. It's really that simple. But I've always. Because I looked at it like this, guys. If I got hurt. I was a horrible teammate. I was a horrible leader. If I had not prepared that guy to go out there and help this team win, I was selfish. I'm withholding information from him that can help him get better. That would indeed. And then. And turn around and help the team. So that's why I always put my arms around a guy. And the guys will tell you, hey, man, man, help. But they call me Sharp or they call me Shay. And so that means. That means a lot to me. That means a lot. Because I wasn't concerned about somebody, man. You know, they brought him in to replace. Okay, hell, I replace somebody. It's a circle. Yeah, that's what happens. But I've always. I've always. I've always really guys tried to be a good teammate. I've always. Was I was I selfish early in my career, probably when I was in. I was even a good team. I was a good teammate in high school and college. But I wanted to win so bad, and I thought that it was all about me. And as I got older and I realized what it took in order to win that they needed. There were some other guys. There were some other me guys that was just as good as Shannon Sharp and that could help this team win also. But I'm telling the guys, hey, you come in the huddle. You, you with me. You're a tight end. Hey, I'm the receivers. You know what you got. You the hot now. Hey, they bring. Hey, they bring two. We got it picked up if they bring one, but if they bring two, you're hot. You good? Yeah, I'm good. You know what you got? You got to dig. Oh, if it's cover two, get up the rail because I'm getting down the hole. I'm. I'm constantly telling guys what they got. I just. That's just the way I am, man. I just. I wanted to win. I wanted to help the guys win. I'm holding information. I know he don't know what to do. It ain't my fault. Hey, did he go out there and blow the assignment? We throw a pick. Who did that? Hell, we go. We lose. We losing as a team. It ain't. Oh, he lost. Yeah, no, we lost. That's just the way I am. But I've always tried to be a good teammate. I tried to be a good person, and sometimes the two things can be true. You could be a good teammate and a crappy person. You could be a crappy person and a good teammate. Hopefully, more times than not, you'd like to see guys a little bit. Both.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

B O F L both. But it is what it is.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's rattle, you know, to have to have the leader of your team be both.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, you. You probably get one. But when you got your teammates coming out saying stuff about you, bro, I mean, it says, it says a lot about, you know, the love, respect, and admiration that they have for Mike Tomlin as well, though.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharp]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So I, I can appreciate that, bro. You know, they ain't gonna just let you just say anything, though.

[Shannon Sharp]

And I got a part of me get. Because I think the thing is that kind of like Debo is that the last year that he and Mike didn't see eye to eye and they ended up releasing him and things of that nature. Even though the Broncos didn't resign me, I never said anything bad about Mike.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharp]

I didn't. Okay. You feel, you know, you ain't got no use for a seven time Pro Bowler, five time All Pro. You ain't got no use for him. Okay. Gotta help you win two Super Bowls, you ain't got no use for him. You believe the guy that you got on the roster that you could draft somebody that's better. Okay, fine. I appreciate the opportunity. I appreciate you coming in, coming in. And this offense is very, very tight end friendly. I appreciate that. But it meant a lot for me that when I came back, he and I had a conversation and even say I was wrong. Because a lot of times, Ocho, they just base everything on what they see on the field. They don't see the practices, they don't see the bus rides, they don't see the locker room, and they don't see what you did in those spaces that caused you to be successful on the field.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, that's the fun right there.

[Shannon Sharp]

So now all of a sudden, you find yourself, people in your office every day. Stuff that you never had to worry about when they four was in the locker room. Oh, that. That's what it. That's what it means a lot. And my teammates, they vouch for me.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah. They make jokes talking about Lazarus. They say ain't nobody raising from the dead more than you, but Lazarus. That's what the offensive line used to call me. Lazarus, Ocho.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Lazarus.

[Shannon Sharp]

Cause I would. Got me. Look, Addy D. Wobbly ankles, man. You know, back then, Ocho, people hip drop you down near every play.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

No penalty for the hip drop and cowboy collar. All that stuff.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You gotta learn. You gotta learn to roll with it.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yes. Yes. But I, I don't know. In a situation like this, I don't know if I'm being, I'm not responding. Just let it go. It'll die down.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Being a quarterback, I don't, I don't think it's been, that's not in Ben's character, probably to be confrontational, especially publicly. It says a lot about Mike Tomlin for, for some of the players like Joey Porter Senior to be coming to his defense and, and what former players are saying, like y' all got y' all nerve, y' all got your nerve to say anything about Mike Tomlin when he's part of the reason for your success when you were there. So sometimes as players, you forget about that because it's, it's in the past. If you got all that a coach has done for you while you were.

[Shannon Sharp]

There and a part of this. I don't know Bob, Ben would ever say anything negative about Coach Tomlin because it was Coach Tomlin that really harmed his own tenure in Pittsburgh by not getting a damn replacement because he didn't want to take you off.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Funny how that works.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yes. So.

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[Shannon Sharp]

There's a lot we could be talking about this story but we going to move it on. Hey, I think we, we've got enough out of this. Oh, Joe, Joe, this is right up your alley. Sean's released the suspension for the Pistons Hornets fights. Isaiah Stewart, seven games. Mile Bridges, four game. Diabate, four games. Jalen Durden, two games. Joe, I'm gonna let you go first, but I am shocked that Isaiah Stewart only got seven games. Go ahead, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, they was, they was very generous with Stewart because he's a repeat offender. Uncle Oo. He's known, he's known for, you know, having violent acts on the court, bro, this ain't what we trying to endorse, you know what I mean? Plus he came off the bench so I expected him to get the, I expected him to get the most, but I expected him to. I thought he was gonna get more than seven games. Me, myself and it just kind of escalated. I thought I knew Miles Bridges was gonna get a, get a nice, you know, a few games. What's the young kid name right here?

[Shannon Sharp]

Masa.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, Masa. I feel like, you know, honestly, honestly, Uncle Ocho, I wouldn't have been mad if Duran didn't get no game suspended because, you know, he wasn't, he clawed the man face.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yo, he put the man into the Baron by Rasky.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's.

[Shannon Sharp]

Hey, that man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He. In my personal space. He done headbutting me.

[Shannon Sharp]

We didn't touch forehead to forehead.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, that's too much.

[Shannon Sharp]

I'm gonna give you a little. Yeah, let's go mush the man. What are you supposed to do? Put that Bobo Brazil on it?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, you something. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You subject to get head butted out there playing, so you gotta always protect yourself. But I thought Stu was gonna get.

[Shannon Sharp]

I thought he'd get my. I thought. Given his history, I thought he'd probably get somewhere between 10 and 15.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, I said at least 10. That's what I was thinking. At least 10.

[Shannon Sharp]

At least. You know what I was disappointed in? I was disappointed in hearing some of the people that cover the NBA talk about they didn't have a problem with this. Until you get a situation like Malice in the Palace. Well, you know, But. Well, that. It wasn't gonna be that. You don't know. You didn't think the Malice in the palace was gonna be that. You didn't think Kermit Washington situation was going to be that. Guys, this is not a good look for the league. This is why they got away from all that in the 80s and 90s. David Stern wasn't playing this. He said, okay, you want to fight? Okay, don't worry about it. Now, if you really want to fight, join the military. Because they're looking for a few good men and women. Yeah, but you're not gonna do that here.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, it's a bad look on the game.

[Shannon Sharp]

And to say, I don't have a problem with this and this. No, no, no, no. And Stu, be. That's not what they brought you to Detroit for. I understand. I understand. Look, the Bad Boy Pistons and y' all want to relive what, Isaiah and John Sally and Mahorn and Lamb Bear and all those. Rodman. But that's a different time. That was.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

David Stern cleaned that up. He said, nah. In order for us to get to where we need to be. Cause all that fighting, Joe, you weren't going to be getting no 40 and 50 and 60 million dollars a year contracts. Not with all that. What?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nah, nah, nah. I'm with you. I'm with you. You know, Stu, Big Stuart, he the muscle over there. So I felt, you know, he probably felt he had to come today. Defense. But, man, you gotta have a. You gotta control your emotions. You gotta have control rage.

[Shannon Sharp]

You know what I mean?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And Too many times, you know, he didn't let his emotions get the best of him, so.

[Shannon Sharp]

I knew that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I mean, right? For real. Honestly, Uncle Ocho, just really like a little slap on the wrist, if you ask me. Seven games ain't nothing, man.

[Shannon Sharp]

Look, I, I, I, I.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Honestly, I think the Pistons will rally around this because I still think they gonna be. They gonna be right there to come out the east, man. I got. Hey, but they gonna rally around this, I think.

[Shannon Sharp]

I think Stewart was an overreaction and Duncan Robinson was an underreaction, because I'm gonna have a conversation with him. I said, bro, look, here, you just grab somebody, even if. Even if you fake. Fake. Hey, hey, bro, hey, hey, come on, man. Come on. Hey, come on, Ocho, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Come on, man.

[Shannon Sharp]

Right, but for you to just walk away and we. And we tussling.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

Don't make. Don't make me in the locker room now, you guys.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, you got to make up your mind. No, no, but then. Then you say you don't want them fight.

[Shannon Sharp]

I didn't say fight.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He could be peacemaker.

[Shannon Sharp]

He said he gonna be peacemaker. Ocho, man, we ain't trying to do that over here. We. How many times we don't been on the field, and we've done that. How many times? And, and, and, and. And scrimmages, especially when you scrimmage other teams and, you know, emotions are high. Ain't no. Really basically just the camera. Ain't no fans, and just the fans lining the thing. You. Hey, come on. Hey, man, come on, Joe, man, what's wrong with you?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharp]

Man, it's too hot out here. Be exerting all this energy. Yeah, yeah, I know. I ain't saying swing on somebody, but I'm just saying, like I said, hey, bro, come on, man. You know, goodwill, right?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And I mean, I. I feel you. I feel you. I mean, I. I think obviously the suspensions were a slap on the wrist. Understanding that emotions are high, especially when you're competing, you know, at the highest level. And I mean, it. It. It. It happens.

[Shannon Sharp]

It.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It happens the time, and it doesn't happen often in the NBA. Most of the time, the most we get is we see shoving. Outside of shoving, you never see it come to blows like it did did that day. And I mean.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, man, listen.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe. I got a question. Joe.

[Shannon Sharp]

What's up?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

NBA viewership. It was down a little bit, wasn't it?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I think. I don't know what happened.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It probably has been NBA viewership. Was it down a little Bit.

[Shannon Sharp]

Well, I think the thing is that might have something to do with. Hell, you don't know where to find it. It might be on Peacock. It might be on NBC, right? It might be on. It might be on Amazon. It's kind of hard centralized, like it once was. I tell you what, you gotta have to make money. Go ahead, Ocho.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I'll tell you what, Uncle Joe, you get a few more goddamn scuffles like this, I'm telling you, boy, you get a whole bunch of people tuning in now.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah, we'll get a whole lot of spots jumping off, though, right?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, look, but this is why you see it everywhere, too, though. Like, they don't condone it, but, you know, they gonna put it out there and bring eyes to it. You know what I mean?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah. You know, people love drama.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It makes it exciting. It makes it say, I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm still trying to understand the unwritten rule when it comes to hockey, you know? I mean, it's an unwritten rule. I mean, you. You got to know, they give each other a sign. And listen, they. You know, hockey has his enforcers. NBA has his enforcers. Most of the time, they conduct themselves on the paint, on the hardwood, and it just. Hey, listen, the boy got to control their emotion, man. That's all it is.

[Shannon Sharp]

I mean, and like I said, man, look, hey, in basketball, that's that real. That's real money. I mean, you talk about seven games. I don't know what Stewart's making, but.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, it's gonna probably be like. Probably be almost a million, if not more.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah, I ain't got time, man. It's hot out there. I mean, I see them guys be tussling. And training camp, Ocho, it's hot. And the first thing Mike said, yeah, I guess I ain't practicing y' all hard enough. Come on, man. Damn. Now, you, me and you about to tussle. We already been out here. This hot ass, 100 degrees. We already been out here, Joe and Ocho, you know, an hour. And he told my. Guess I ain't pressing y' all hard enough. Okay.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, you know. Hey, you know what? Hey, Joe, you notice? And the people. And people watching the chat, y' all can attest to this. Cool, too, because I'm sure y' all see it. Every joint practice during. During training camp, there's always a fight. You never notice that, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, because, look, every.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Every training camp is always the fight in the joint practice, and it's Always the goddamn lineman.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

The line, they. They always going at it every time.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, you got all them dudes out there with that heat beating up on you, too. Yeah, it's gonna be a few fights.

[Shannon Sharp]

Because what happens, Ocho, you get. Cause ain't no official. Remember, There ain't a whole lot of fishes, and they ain't throwing no flag. Yeah. They are there. Yeah. Okay. You get a drink. He got his. He got his hand in the guy's face, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He got all the funny.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah, you got the office alive. Got him jacked up. You don't got. What? Somebody doesn't hail somebody, and the first thing they do, they turn around. Oh, man. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Because you know in practice, they gonna let. A lot of practice.

[Shannon Sharp]

Absolutely. Yeah. Abs. Absolutely. And so. Yeah. And that's the thing, you know, guys used to, like, you tried to break practice up, you get into it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

But they was like, nope. All we gonna do is just stay out here longer. Oh, my goodness. Come on. God damn. And like you say. Oo. It's always the lineman.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Always. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

Offensive defensive line and just somebody coming over the top with a boom. Hey, Neil Smith. And I think it was Neil Smith and Kevin Gogan got into it at the Pro bowl.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And the Pro.

[Shannon Sharp]

What about. I told. I think I talked to Neil about two years ago. Neil said, if I see it right now sharp, I'll fire on him. I said, come on, man, you. Damn.

[Commercial Announcer]

You're 60.

[Shannon Sharp]

He probably 62.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

When they were arguing about it.

[Shannon Sharp]

The program.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's the time for. That's a joyous occasion.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, it ain't.

[Shannon Sharp]

Hey, go back. Go back and look at. Man, Neil hit that. Hit that man so hard in the back of his head. I mean, Neil jumped, too. Bye. Oh, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

It's.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's some place you'll never forget.

[Shannon Sharp]

Oh, when. When. When he say he made it, too. He was like, oh, yeah. If I see it right now, I'll fire on him. I said, come on, Neil, man. Bro, you 60.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh.

[Shannon Sharp]

You ain't got no business filing on nobody. We need to say that. Energy to get around, bro. But it might be on the Internet. YouTube. Look up Neil Smith and Kevin Gogan at the Pro bowl, man. Oh, yo, Neil jumped so high. Hit that man in the back of his damn head.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And it's in the middle of the game.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah, it was like a. Yeah, yeah, Chad. Y' all pull it up. I know y' all can pull it up.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, he might. He must. He must have been good. He must have been going too Hard, then he must have been.

[Shannon Sharp]

Suspension will cost him 724, 138 miles. Bridges suspension will cost him 689, 665. And Jalen Duran suspension will cost him 89,423. And Masa will cost him 60 2006. 41.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That. That Mikaela mean the big money boys, huh?

[Shannon Sharp]

Ocho? This is what Draymond had to say. Draymond called NBA fans for complaining about the league itself, while also wanting players to get suspended for fighting. Pick a side, guy, man. We can't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You can't.

[Shannon Sharp]

We.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It ain't even nowhere in basketball you can have that.

[Shannon Sharp]

No, not that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Like you. You know, some. Some of these dudes acts out here, man, like, for real, they gotta really control their emotions, bro. You can't be out here. I mean, I can understand in the midst of competition, you know, things get a little heated. It may even be some pushing back and forth or you may bump into a guy. But come on now. Come on.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I look, hey, those days are over.

[Shannon Sharp]

The last thing I want to do, I I oo if I swing somebody, I'm hitting him. He got a helmet on. I break my hand on his face mask. I break my hand on his helmet, then what? I tear a ligament in my hand, then what? So who. Who about help?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nobody. That's a good thing. That's a good thing. No, man, I ain't gonna talk about when I was gonna whoop. Never mind, never mind. So with I. I was able to.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Control my emotion with that being said. Hey, look, but I don't I that neither, uncle. Oo. Especially in football, because guys be punching dudes in the hill and I'm like, what that?

[Shannon Sharp]

What? Why you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, Joe, you got to go open hand sometime.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, you got to go like to the neck area.

[Shannon Sharp]

What you try to do is grab the face mask lift and come up under.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, hey, Ch.

[Shannon Sharp]

But these ch straps they got now, oo you got these ones that they slide. They ain't like the snap on like what we had.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, they ain't gonna Come on. Yeah. Hey, Joe. That's how I was f to do the ray. Joe.

[Shannon Sharp]

What? I remember you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah. You finna get down. I remember you telling me that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Joe. Hey, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You waiting by the bus and everything.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Joe. I was waiting on him at the locker room. Boy, Joe. He got. He was gonna have to see me. He gonna have to prove to me. Oh, he had to show me. Joe. Joe. We prayed before the game, Joe. We went over the Scripture prayed he didn't. We went over the scripture.

[Shannon Sharp]

That's what he was praying for.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And he had the nerve to hit me like that in the game. So we need to have a conversation because I know the Lord ain't tell you to do that. Yeah, you got to see me, Joe. Yeah, listen, when my helmet went flying, my helmet went flying by 15 yards, Joe. I ran up on him and I had to think, wait a minute, this ain't the place for that. This ain't the place for that. So I, I looked at him, I said, I'm gonna see you after the game.

[Shannon Sharp]

Hey.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Cause, hey, look.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe, I waited at the locker, I waited at the bus. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He probably would have got out of you on that field. Cause you ain't had no helmet on. You probably would have swung on. He's swung back on you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right, right, right, right, right, right. The grace of God saved Ray that day, boy. Huh?

[Shannon Sharp]

Did you see what Miles Garrett did to Mesa Rudolph?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, yeah. Hey, you know what? Hey, you know who Lucky? You know who Lucky too. I ain't seeing San Francisco Miles. Lucky. I ain't see him on Radio Road, man.

[Shannon Sharp]

He and he in Italy with his girlfriend.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, he went to support his girl. Hey, Joe, Miles, this sapsuckle didn't give me that goddamn jersey, that 23 sack jersey.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, I'll tell you that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But he said he was gonna get to me.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, he lied.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. He gonna, he gonna. Miles Garrett. I know. I hope you see this. You're gonna find out where. They call me Hella Hands. Okay? And yeah, Joe, you know, they called me they Joe. They call me Hella Hand Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, they like that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, Joe, it feel like you're fighting two people. Boy, I tell you, no lie.

[Shannon Sharp]

I'm trying to think, was that 84? When the Raiders in. In Kansas City got into it, the whole team, man, Sean Jones took that helmet off and was swinging it. Pull it up, Chat. I think it was. I think it was 84. It might have been 84. It might have been a little later he connects.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

The whole team are just two people.

[Shannon Sharp]

A bunch of people. But the Raiders in Kansas City, look, Raiders, Kansas City and the Broncos, we don't like each other. Chargers, they just happen to be in the division. Seahawks, just happen to be in the division. But those three, because those were the original three.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, man.

[Shannon Sharp]

You had to be careful oo Joe. Back then because they really try to put you out the game. They would.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They trying to hurt.

[Sponsor Voice]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

For real? Yeah, for real. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

And so once I knew that, so I. You don't care about me feeding my family. I get less than a damn about you feeding yours. So we both will be able to effed up knees, but I ain't gonna be the only one. But it was, it was, it was, it was vicious back then, but they clean, they cleaned it up. Bill Simmons spoke to the state of the NBA and Adam Silver's leadership. Simmons says is the first time I've really wondered like, do we have the right guy running this league? Because he doesn't seem interested in fixing real problems that everybody can see. And it's like, it's not about like, look at the NBA Cup. Your schedule is too long. You have to fix this. How many more games can players miss before they're disqualified from postseason award? Anthony Edwards can only miss seven games. Kawhi can only miss four. Victor Wimanyama can only miss four. Steph Curry can only miss two. Nicola Jokic. Nicola Jokic can only miss one. Giannis. And LeBron has already been eliminated.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Man, listen, okay, Ocho. I knew this was going to be a problem when they implemented this, this into the NBA season where you had to play.

[Shannon Sharp]

What you had to play.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

How many games you had? 65. 65 games.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah, man, it's.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's not. I know it's an 82 game season. That don't seem like a lot, but yeah, you can see it put a lot of people, it put a lot of the stars out of, out of contention. You know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharp]

Especially. You get an injury, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, you get an injury, it's a wrap.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Do you think they'll change it? They're going to change it back.

[Shannon Sharp]

When is when, Joe. That's collectively bargain. So when, when, when is the new bark. When the agreement up? You can't, you can't do anything now.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, you, I mean, you can.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, not like. Nah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, wow.

[Shannon Sharp]

It's just, it's just, it's got to be collective bargain. It's just like the, the, the league can't go to 18 games as much as they want to. That'll be something you'd have to put to the union. So if you want to change it and say, okay, instead of 65, we'll make it 72. So you can only miss 10 games. But the thing is that if a guy gets hurt, he gonna be out of it anyway. Jokic got hurt. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And still got these crazy numbers. Yeah, but they put, they put this, they put this in play because they want. Guys they want. They want to stop the tank. And I would think, I think. And they wanted guys to. To have to play versus all this sitting out these national televised games. Guys sitting out. They tried to put it in all they did.

[Shannon Sharp]

And what, what rest. What did they call it, Ocho? I mean, Joe, when San Antonio, what did they call that? National Saturday night games, they were low managing ESPN games, they were low managing TNT game. And I said, Nah, bro. People paying 15, 20 thousand dollars to sit court side. They paying, they bring their family. And the stars are not out. I mean, just imagine if you went to the Lakers game last night. No Luca, no LeBron, no. No AR.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn. You got to be a true fan.

[Shannon Sharp]

No stars sell the league. That's why everybody wants one. That's why you want it. That's why you put up with a lot of that BS Ocho. And you give them the keys to the car because you need that, right?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And okay, Ocho, this is why all these teams, they talking about these teams out here tanking, they tanking because this draft class is going to be one of them ones. Yeah. They know they can get you a superstar that can put you ahead the next 15, 20 years.

[Shannon Sharp]

You got Cameron Boozer, you got Debonza, you got the kid from, from Darian Peters. Yeah, I don't know about him. I see a lot of red flags. I see a lot of red flags, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Because of the injury history?

[Shannon Sharp]

No, because it's maybe some other maybe, maybe that's injury, but he done miss some time, suspension, things like that. The kid from North Carolina.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying because. I'm saying because, like, you know, he's, he's been out due to like little minute injuries. So, you know, if you, you know, he been great when he's played, but yeah, he may play. He may have 22 points in one half and don't play the next. And I think on the professional level, you thinking, man, you're gonna be playing 82 games a season right now in college, you only playing what, 30, 35 games a season.

[Shannon Sharp]

That's if you go all the way. You can't make you all go all the way through, Joe. Yeah, yeah, you can't make it through this.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Which one is Young Bull? That's from byu.

[Shannon Sharp]

That's really aj.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

AJ the bouncer. Yeah, yeah, he nice. He ready. I think Uncle Ocho, you can put him in the lead right now. Like if he was on that Mavericks team and he took Cooper Flag spot. He'd be averaging about. About 22, 23 a game.

[Shannon Sharp]

He good.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

Carlos Boozer son. He a dog, too.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He a monster. A walking double. Double. Yeah. He balling Cameron Booth. I like Caleb Wilson, too, from Carolina. North Carolina. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

Hey, I don't know if you notice, but Gil's son, Elijah, game winner. You know, he wrong ranges, can handle the ball. Can score a three different levels, the mid range and get all the way to the rim. He can shoot the three. He good. He really good.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, he ain't got no weaknesses. He just got. He just gotta stay healthy, keep. Continue to get strong. Wait on Gil.

[Shannon Sharp]

Get that man in the weight room.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. Hey, but look, Gil don't care. Hey, you know, he just had, like, 29 in the game. Winning.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah, I guess. Penn State. Yeah, I watched it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he out there getting money. He like a little late blooming to the party, but, hey, look, y' all can't overlook my Razorbacks now, you know, led by them two freshmen, Darius Acuff and Malik Thomas. Yeah, we got some boys over there getting money, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharp]

You hear me?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, okay. Yeah, we got some boys out there getting money, man. These young freshmen getting to it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, we on basketball time now, so, you know, I gotta lock in. I'm ready to talk basketball. Hey, Joe, I thought. I thought. Hey, Joe, I thought we was going to a Hawks game.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All you gotta do is tell me when you coming down.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I mean, listen. I mean, pick a game.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You wanna pick a game? Pick a game, man. I'll make sure we get.

[Shannon Sharp]

Get.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Put your foot on the wood. Get you right, O.J.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

We gonna sit courtside.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, man, get you right. I just like the. Oh, you gonna come down, huh?

[Shannon Sharp]

You know, you get a haircut, Joe. Ocho at the Hawks game.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Ooh, ooh, they cut him.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah, they done got bougie in there now, Ocho.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, Joe. But for real, we gonna be courtside, though.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Come on, man. Come on. I'm gonna get us right? I'm right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe, you got. Hey, you got money, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, you gotta chill. You gotta. Hey, Joe, you gotta chill.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I can't wait. Hey, hey. Win the next good game, though.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

We got. We gotta look at the schedule.

[Shannon Sharp]

Hold on. Oh, Joe, did this man not just say he a true fan when I say people play to see superstars, and now he's saying, win the next good game? You see that? You see that, Joe?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hold on. But, but you have to understand, I'm. I'm Not. I'm not a basketball enthusiast. I'm still getting into the game, so I. I don't know anyone. I know Trey Young. I know Trey Young, but he go.

[Shannon Sharp]

To see Steph Curran. LeBron Giannis, they go to see the stars. Yeah, that's. That's why it's a star driven league. You won't. You need that. That's why, B. I mean, I. I don't know if we're gonna talk about. I think we're gonna talk about what's his name, the one they just traded to Atlanta from. From the Warriors. He got his people that. The reports is that his people was taking food, all the food, taking food home.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What's wrong with that?

[Shannon Sharp]

You can take food home. Not your home boys.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I mean, they're gonna throw the food away anyway.

[Shannon Sharp]

See, there you go. You see how this man. Thank you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Joe.

[Shannon Sharp]

Oh, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, Joe, you can't. Okay, if we allow you to bring your homeboys in here, what's next when it's time to eat after pray? You can't be having them in there fixing plates and all that. Come on now.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn. What kind of. I thought this ain't no faith. This ain't no family involved.

[Shannon Sharp]

Well, we have family day, have this type of setup so y' all can take Ish home anyway for pizza.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on. We had that. We cater. We. We don't.

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

We cater to the players and the family members. Mike Brown feed everybody.

[Shannon Sharp]

Oh, boy. Please, you do realize, like, I know Marvin, right? And Marvin. And Marvin had to talk to Marvin, Mike Brown, just to get y' all decent food. Don't do that, Ocho.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I don't know what kind of food we had because, you know, Uncle, I leave to go eat. You know where I'm at.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah, you have no choice to leave. You didn't have nothing to eat. Y' all didn't even have. Y' all didn't even have pizza on Friday before Marvin got there.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Pizza? Don't nobody want no pizza.

[Shannon Sharp]

Everybody get pizza and wings on Friday.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nah, I don't like no Peter. I don't want no pizza. You know. You know, you can catch me at. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. I appreciate that, Joe, but we going.

[Shannon Sharp]

No, but you can't. Look, yeah, you. You got to be respectful of situation. I get homeboys. My homeboys come in town.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey.

[Shannon Sharp]

I was like, hey, right? Hey. They're like, man, I said, look, go in there, they sit down, we sit down. They get a couple slice of pizza, get some wings, we eat. It wasn't no getting no food and taking it out there, man. I had to stop a dude, right, Ocho? This dude, I was like, damn, he done showered. What are you waiting for? You know, I'm looking up like, well, damn. And he showed with 30 minutes ago. He's still sitting around here, right? This joker loading up. You know how you. Oh, you know how you put your. Your jock and all your stuff in a bag? The laundry bag. This joker done went and got him another laundry bag and take about 15, 16 Gatorade home tonight.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharp]

I said, my man. I said, my man. That is what we do. I say, is it worth you getting cut over? Because that's what's gonna happen if Mike don't find out you doing this why, right? And you're doing it every day. You do it every day. Damn. So come on, bro. You right. You right. I'm like, bro, I don't think, man. I mean, first of all, most people, most family and friends are not gonna put you in harm's way. Because when they gone, you still there, right? They gonna be looking at you sideways.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, Joe. Y' all don't think that's petty, though? Hell no. Team worried about, you know, your people taking food. We talk about food.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, you gotta. You gotta give us more context. Did he sit there and eat?

[Shannon Sharp]

No, they didn't make a big. Hold on. Somewhere around, Jonathan was reporting taking too much food from the warriors family room, per Anthony Slater. He knew management wanted to ding him for missing team, requested events and alert him that someone around him was taking too much food from the family room. The gripes between the player and the organization, as multiple sources said, had become petty in the fifth year of the relationship and many believe should have ended years before.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You heard that key word that I already said, Petty?

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I think it's petty. I mean, and it's a family room. You're not. Now you're trying to chastise and tell my family how much food they could take.

[Shannon Sharp]

First of all, what.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What is too much?

[Shannon Sharp]

First of all, you're not Steph Curry. Steph Curry can take whatever he want. You're not him. You have to understand, Ocho, there are things that you could do in Cincinnati that lesser players couldn't do. Yeah, we understand.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I can take advantage of that.

[Shannon Sharp]

There's a pecking order. It's called production intolerance. When your production is high, tolerance level for BS is even higher. So this notion, the thing he could do with Steph and what Draymond can do, bro, when I can. When look my fan. When my. My homeboys came, my homeboy got sideline passes. Guys look at me like, hey, man, you. Your homeboys on the sideline? I was like, yeah. I'm like, why don't you? Like, man, I ain't gonna even ask because I already know the answer is no. But my family was on. My homeboys was on the sideline. John had people on the sideline. TD can have people on the sideline. There are a few other guys, but everybody's not like that. You gotta understand your position in the organization now. He give you 22, 20. He give you 20, 22 a night, Joe. Five and five. Hey, bro. Hey. As a matter of fact, what you need to take, they gonna fix you up something to take home.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They gonna have you a bag to go. Bag ready. Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I understand what y' all saying. I. Obviously, you know, there's a pecking order. There's certain things you can and cannot do, but family, really, I. I just think it's kind of petty to me. I mean, I understand what you guys are saying and how you see it. Just a family room or we taking too much food. Hell, Kaminga probably had him do it on purpose to hurry up and expedite his. His way up out of there.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, it's a bad.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, bros.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The relationship gone bad. Yeah, that's basically what I'm talking about.

[Shannon Sharp]

When the man wasn't even playing, and then he played a little bit in. In the postseason last year, this relationship should have been ended. It's. It's kind of like you bring somebody to the. You bring somebody to the cookout, and then all of a sudden they taking four, five plates up out of there. You ain't gonna say it's just food. You're like, hold on, bro. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. But it. That's how they was viewing it. The reports like Steve Kerr reportedly wanted to develop Jonathan Kaminga into a Sean Marion, Aaron Gordon type. But Kaminga viewed himself as a future all Star and wanted more on ball opportunities. Kaminga career developed. Kaminga believed that he has shown enough in a supplementary role to have earned more consistent trust on ball opportunities. Neither happened to his liking, sources said, only hardening his belief that Kerr and general manager Mike Dunleavy would only ever view him as a fast run, fast jump high athlete without a requisite skill to lead, to be a lead option.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, look, I'm out here. I got Uncle Ocho. I'm looking for Kaminga.

[Shannon Sharp]

Where?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, I'm Watching the halls game, I'm like, damn, when he gonna play? Cause I'm looking for him.

[Shannon Sharp]

So what? He didn't start line up with the Hawks.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I ain't seen him play. Nah, he ain't played. I don't think he played the game yet.

[Shannon Sharp]

Is he hurt?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He probably, probably, he probably hurt.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I don't know, they, I don't know. They probably giving him some time to give, to get ready or whatever, but yeah, to get acclimated. But the, the faster they can incorporate him, the better off they'll be, man. I think him and Jalen Johnson can really make some noise. But Uncle Ocho with him and the warriors, well, Kamiga and the warriors, that was just a bad relationship, bro. They let it, but they couldn't, they couldn't let him walk away for nothing. So they had to get some compensation for him, you know what I mean? So that's why they resigned him. And I guess they just pretty much used him for bait. And like, at the worst case, we just gonna sit him down right here until we can trade him, you know what I mean? That's in basketball, man. That's how they'll do you, bro.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah, I, I, I, I, I'm just. But did he realize like, Sean Marion was an all star? Yeah, Sean Marion turned himself into an all star and was a major contributor on a championship winning team.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Man, listen, you ain't had to run no plays. You didn't have to run not one play. And he was gonna have 20 and 10 every night.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

For real.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Every night. You look into stat sheet, dude got 22 points, 12 rebounds. 20 and play great defense. And he had the fastest second jump I've ever seen in a, in a basketball player. Like, he, it's like he would shoot the miss on purpose.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, he had the funniest shot released too.

[Shannon Sharp]

Oh yeah, he did. He did.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, he had a little funny shot. But hey, it was cash though. You in that corner in that one.

[Shannon Sharp]

Oh yeah, three. Oh, that three ball in them short porches.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, he would cash money.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah, but I, I mean, bro, come on. First of all, Ocho, you taking stuff home is different than a family member or friends taking stuff home. You know how that goes. That's just like you, you can go, you can go back to the training room, you can wear stuff up out of there, but you can't, your family friend like, hey, hey, just grab stuff. You can't do that. I mean, that is so unprofessional. I don't even know why he would even want if like to put the. I don't even know why family and friends would free. They say friends, but I don't even know why they would put him in that situation, Joe. I don't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So, hey, you gotta understand, some family members don't. Don't understand the etiquette. You got to come with Uncle Ocho. Especially some that ain't never really been to a professional game. I'm just speaking from experience.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yes, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Like, you know, you. You have to. You have to put them in a place like, hey, look, look. Don't be up in here, man. In here eating up all. Everything up in. In sight.

[Shannon Sharp]

Don't be asking. Don't be asking for no autographs. Don't be. Hey, man, can I get the gloves, man? Don't be sighting my foot. But, man, don't do it here. Don't do that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, that's. That's me right there.

[Shannon Sharp]

Don't do that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's me.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, Joe. I go. I go to games where I get to ask him. I'm talking about NFL player. Joe. Joe. I act like, hey. I act. I got. I never played in the NFL before. What I'd be excited to see people. I'd be excited to meet new players. I'd be asking for pictures, and I'm like. And they looking at me crazy like, you want a picture with me? I say, yeah, man, I want a picture, man. Come on, man.

[Shannon Sharp]

That's how we behave, bro. Cause when you leave, that's a reflection on me. People looking at me sideways, man. You know, sharp, homeboy, man. They know how to act.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I think he probably told me to do that on purpose, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But you got. Hey, look, you hook them up. You hook them up with a little care package, though. You make sure they get a little something.

[Shannon Sharp]

Hey, yeah, I've had already done told. A flip. A flip. I got some homeboys coming. Can they get a pair of shorts? Can they get it? Can they get, you know, a couple T shirts, a couple hats? Hey, Sharpie, no problem. I have it sitting in your locker. Cause everybody ain't gonna get that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right, right, right.

[Shannon Sharp]

Stood. But you also understood, like I said, people. That's never been in that situation. Y' all don't get it. Y' all talking about a billion dollar organization, okay? You work for Microsoft. You work for Amazon. Take your. Let your homeboys go up in there and do whatever the F they want. They work way more than NFL teams and see what happened. Y' all don't. I just wish people just got it and just stop thinking so reckless. You're professional. This ain't no. This ain't no. Somebody. I'm going. I'm going to. Down. Down the street to Miss Lucia house.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, Unc, it's. I mean, I understand you junk. Oh, Joe. I understand both of y'. All. But at the end of the day, man, we talk about food. We talk about food.

[Shannon Sharp]

Who they're preparing the food for.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

The family is in the family area.

[Shannon Sharp]

This for the team.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It said family.

[Shannon Sharp]

Ocho, if. Remember I told you the story about how the coach said, we went to the buffet, it's all you can eat. Not all you can eat and take out. That. That's the difference. It's all you can eat. Not all you can eat and take out.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharp]

And how does that. How. Ocho, how does that look? How does that look? Joe. Joe, there. Joe, got four homeboys, and each of them got two plates leaving the facility.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, they ain't having that, Ojo.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All right, I. I got. I got y'. All. I understand. Hey, but I. I think I. I bet he said, man, y' all get what y' all want, man. I don't care. I don't want to be here. I don't want to be here.

[Shannon Sharp]

No.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Goddamn everybody.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, it probably wasn't. It probably was some pettiness, for sure.

[Shannon Sharp]

Every Turner responded to the situation, tweeting. I remember one time my coach said he viewed me as Richard Jefferson. And that was the first time I truly understood latrell spree. Well, P.S. i trade the career I had for Richard Jefferson. So it ain't no shade. I just thought I was Kobe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, listen, but that's the reality. It is that you get when you come into the NBA, Uncle Ocho, I'm telling you. And you can great your whole life on every team you've played on, you started, you've been the guy, Then you get around some real pros dude who been in the league 8, 12, 15 years, then you kind of see the big difference. Like, I'm talented, but I ain't that damn talented. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, it's an eye opener, bro, especially for guys who've really been held on that pedestal but since they were 13, 14 years old, right?

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah. And how many. And Richard Jefferson played, what, 17, 18 years?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, he played 18 years, won a.

[Shannon Sharp]

Title with the Cavs, went to two. Didn't he go to with the Nets? He went twice with the Nets back.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

To back, right to the Finals.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah, but they lost. New Jersey lost to the spurs and I think they lost to the, they lose to the Lakers or Lakers.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. So that was my draft class. He won. Richard Jefferson went 12, I went 10 in that draft. Oh one.

[Shannon Sharp]

See, I mean that's the thing. Oh look, sometimes we are our biggest, our biggest enemy because everybody views themselves, Ocho. Everybody views themselves as Jerry Rice or, or, or, or, or Lawrence Taylor or Reggie White. Yeah, man. Just let me, just let me. Bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Only time gonna tell.

[Shannon Sharp]

That's it. That's it. But guys don't have patience no more. Now, Joe. Joe. Guys. Hey, now I want what I want right now, Joe. Yeah, I want it right now, Ocho. Let me get that. And if I can't get it, I'm gonna make stuff uncomfortable and then you go somewhere else and guess what? Never to be heard from or seen again. Right?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Absolutely right.

[Shannon Sharp]

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

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