Nightcap Hour 1: ESPN DRAMA with Lebron & Jeanie + Giannis LEAVING the Bucks + Bills owner SCAPEGOATS Sean McDermott

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1: ESPN Drama with LeBron & Jeanie, Giannis Leaving the Bucks, Bills Owner Scapegoats McDermott

Date: January 22, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, Joe "Iso Joe" Johnson
Special Guest: Michaela Camara, Indiana Hoosiers, Defensive End

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into unfolding NBA and NFL controversies, focusing on ESPN’s report about tension between LeBron James and Lakers owner Jeanie Buss, speculation about Giannis Antetokounmpo’s future with the Milwaukee Bucks, and sharp criticism from the Buffalo Bills owner about his team’s recent draft decisions. The discussion features signature unfiltered perspectives from Shannon Sharpe, Ochocinco, and Joe Johnson, blending insider knowledge, player mentality debates, and lively storytelling.

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Key Topics, Insights, and Discussion Points

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1. ESPN Drama: LeBron James & Jeanie Buss

[05:40–36:16]

• Background: ESPN reports surfaced that Lakers owner Jeanie Buss felt LeBron James owed more gratitude after the Lakers drafted his son, Bronny. She reportedly considered trading LeBron and was unhappy about his perceived ego and accountability, especially after the Russell Westbrook trade.
• Jeanie Buss’s Response: She denies unappreciation claims but does not explicitly call the report a lie.
• Panel’s Reaction:
  • Joe: Suggests power dynamics among executives often bubble up, and internal feelings get public under scrutiny. "This is how you really feel. Sometimes you don't like the way certain people act, you know, I mean, and it's okay… I just don't understand why they change their tune when the public sees how they really feel." [08:27]
  • Ochocinco: Not surprised by reports of egos, stresses LeBron’s impact: "He's done a lot for the Lakers, bro. Like, he is iconic." [09:07]
  • Shannon Sharpe: Unpacks Lakers’ family drama (firings after Jeanie took control), business realities, and the inevitability of superstar egos.
    “The greater the person, the bigger the ego. I don’t give a damn what line of work you in.” [11:12]
  • On LeBron’s Role: Shannon methodically details the Lakers’ poor performance before LeBron, crediting him for transformative success, including attracting Anthony Davis and boosting franchise appeal.
    “Not only did you get LeBron in 2019 without having to do any work... you also got Anthony Davis and got a championship.” [13:45]
  • On Power Play: Shannon shifts to Genie’s family politics, the uniqueness of the Lakers brand, and business lessons about succession planning.
  • Icon Debate: A brief, lively digression into the MJ vs. LeBron "GOAT" debate, reflecting fan culture and legacy talk.

Memorable Quotes:

• "People got to understand behind closed doors, if you don't know them personally, you never know. Everybody of some type of status has ego." – Ochocinco [12:05]
• "You see what happens? Drunks, kid and angry people will tell you the truth. These people were mad that Jeanie removed them." – Shannon [10:28]
• "The Lakers wasn't winning, Jack. The Lakers wasn't on TV once Kobe left!" – Shannon [15:48]

Family Business Analogy:
Shannon uses family business metaphors to explain the Lakers' situation, pointing out why allocating control and planning is critical for any franchise or successful entity. [15:48–17:12]

Player Gratitude/Legacy:
Sharpe draws parallels with his TV career and transitions, emphasizing personal gratitude even amid sour endings and transitions. [22:41–24:06]

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2. Giannis Antetokounmpo: Bucks Divorce Looms

[39:40–47:50]

• News Context: NBA insider Brian Windhorst reports that league sources expect Giannis and the Bucks to “divorce,” with uncertainty about exact timing.
• Initial Reaction:
  • Joe: Asserts this was always coming: "Hell, I could have told you that... that's my homeboy." [40:18]
  • Ochocinco: Speculates that if Giannis isn’t traded by the deadline, it’ll happen this summer due to his high value: "Giannis probably could win another couple championships. You put him on the right team." [40:49]
  • Shannon: Outlines how massive trade demands for an MVP like Giannis would gut acquiring teams, referencing past blockbuster trades and their demands for multiple key pieces and picks.
    “The problem is who has…the problem is when you get one of these guys, you take so much away from the team…” [41:05]
• Potential Destinations: Discussion focuses on the Knicks as a big market suitor, and what it would mean for Giannis’s brand if he won a title there.
• Superstar Leverage:
  • Acknowledgment that stars like Giannis, LeBron, Jokic command their destinies in today’s NBA—even when speaking publicly with caution, their agents act on their true wishes.
  • Ochocinco: On player-driven era: "It's such a superstar-driven league... ultimately, those, the big guys, the big guns, Braun, Giannis, those, they can kind of get what they want." [45:04]
  • Legacy Reflection: Winning in a classic franchise city (NYC, L.A., Boston, Chicago) would immortalize a player—"You're mythical." [46:06]

Notable Exchange:

• Debate on whether a pairing of Giannis and LeBron in New York is realistic, but all agree that stacking stars comes at a cost—teams get stripped bare (see Carmelo/Knick trade reference) [43:23–44:13].

Superstar Mindset:
Sharpe compares LeBron and KD’s willingness to face blowback for their moves, emphasizing doing “what makes me happy” over fan approval. [46:52]

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3. Buffalo Bills Owner Criticizes McDermott and Scapegoats Draft Decisions

[50:00–59:54]

• Situation Recap:
  Bills owner Terry Pegula defended GM Brandon Beane while publicly shifting blame for the selection of underperforming WR Keon Coleman onto fired coach Sean McDermott and his staff.
• Critique of Front Office: Sharpe highlights Bean’s low hit rate (just 2 Pro Bowlers out of 56 picks since Josh Allen), suggesting larger problems.
• Panel Reaction:
  • Joe: Highly critical of owners “airing dirty laundry," especially about young players:
    "I don't think I've ever heard an owner... Ever do your young players like that.” [52:24]
  • Ochocinco & Joe: Suggest this public scapegoating may backfire, motivating Keon Coleman if channelled right:
    “If I'm Keon and I'm hearing that, I'm like, come on, man.” – Ocho [54:28] “Maybe that might be the chip he might need, huh?” – Joe [54:24]
• Mentorship and Player Mindset:
  The trio reflects on player discipline vs. natural talent, emphasizing loving the game for itself rather than just its rewards.
  • “Do you love the game or do you love what the game can provide?” – Shannon [59:25]
  • Joe notes how his offseason camps for young receivers focus on building professionalism and self-motivation, not just technical skills. [65:03–67:02]
• On Player Development:
  Both Ochocinco and Joe recount living in gyms or stadiums, underscoring the relentless work ethic necessary for greatness. “I slept in the gym…” – Chad [57:45]

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• LeBron & Jeanie Buss Report Discussion:
  [05:40] – Topic introduced
  [08:27] – Joe’s take on executive dynamics
  [11:12] – Egos & greatness in sports
  [13:45] – Shannon on Lakers’ turnaround with LeBron
  [15:48] – Laker business/family succession lessons
  [22:41] – Gratitude & legacy
  [29:21] – MJ vs. LeBron GOAT debate
• Giannis Bucks Divorce & Superstar Era:
  [39:40] – Windhorst report
  [41:05] – Importance & cost of trading for a superstar
  [44:48] – Superstars controlling their careers
  [46:06] – Winning in legacy franchises
  [46:52] – KD/LeBron approach to criticism
• Bills Owner Scapegoats McDermott & Draft:
  [50:00] – Pegula’s comments
  [52:24] – Joe’s critique
  [54:24] – Using criticism as motivation
  [57:45] – On what it takes to be a pro
  [59:25] – Loving the game vs. loving what it provides

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Notable Quotes

• On Ego & Greatness:
  "The greater the person, the bigger the ego. I don't give a damn what line of work you in."
  – Shannon Sharpe [11:12]

• On Player Mentality:
  "Do you love the game or do you love what the game can provide? If you love the game, everything... it will [give in] abundance."
  – Shannon Sharpe [59:25]

• On Leadership & Succession:
  "If you don't have a succession plan, this is what you're gonna get."
  – Shannon Sharpe [16:42]

• On Lakers Before LeBron:
  "The Lakers wasn't winning, Jack. The Lakers wasn't on TV once Kobe left!"
  – Shannon Sharpe [15:48]

• On Public Criticism by Owners:
  "I don't think I've ever heard an owner... Ever do your young players like that."
  – Joe [52:24]

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Tone, Language, and Style

• The episode is conversational, candid, and often humorous, with plenty of banter and personal anecdotes.
• Basketball and football analysis is rooted in real-life examples both on and off the field.
• The hosts share an insider’s view while keeping the language casual and direct—often referring to each other with nicknames and telling stories from personal experience.

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For Listeners

Those who missed the episode will get a vibrant, insightful window into NBA and NFL power moves, the mindset of superstars, and why both talent and organizational structures dictate league fortunes. The hosts' mix of storytelling, analysis, and mentorship cements that greatness in sports—and life—is not just about what you achieve but how you approach both success and adversity.

Transcript

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ESPN feature dropped the legend that Jeannie Buss was not happy with LeBron's attitude and believed he should be more grateful than the franchise drafted Bronny James, ESPN reporter Baxter Holmes says. And when the Lakers drafted LeBron James son Bronnie with the 55th pick in the 2024 draft, Jeannie privately remarked that LeBron should be grateful for such a gesture. But she felt that he wasn't, people close to this team told ESPN. The report also claimed that Jeannie considered trading LeBron. I don't know how that was going to happen. Considered LeBron was one of the two players that had a no trade clause, he and Bradley Beal, but that we'll get to that in a second two to the Clippers and felt she she felt LeBron had out, had an outsized ego and didn't like the perception that LeBron saved the Lakers by signing there. Despite the struggles the Lakers went through after Kobe Bryant's retirement. He did. Holmes also reported that things got worse after the infamous Russell Westbrook trade. Bus bristled about LeBron's lack of accountability for his role in bringing the former All Star point guard to Los Angeles. We also have an update. Jeannie has now responded to the allegations. It's really not right. Given all the great things LeBron have done for the Lakers and that he has pulled into my family drama, to say it was he wasn't appreciated is just not true and completely unfair to him. Joe. Jeannie said he was appreciated, but she never report that it was a lie. She could have said that. You know what, Joe? This ain't true. Everything that's my family drama, she could have said that is a lie. She did not say that, Ocho. Joe, she said he's appreciated. Joe, take it away.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe, before you even go on, before. Joe, go on, I got a question. Most of the time, when executives, when people are power, in position of power and they run, they run team, they run clubs, this is how they really feel. This is how they really feel behind the scenes. It, it say things like this all the time, and they say it because they think it's not going to get out. And when it does get out, obviously not in this case. She doesn't apologize to say, I didn't say that. But this is, this is how you really feel. Sometimes you don't like the way certain people act, you know, I mean, and it's okay, it's okay to feel that way. I, I just don't understand why they do it or why they always, what's the word? What's the word I'm looking for? Change their tune when the public sees how they really feel about certain individuals and the way they carry themselves. But go ahead, Joe.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

I mean, uncan Ocho, really, this doesn't surprise me. You know, I, I, I can imagine, you know, Braun having a, you know, pretty, pretty big ego, you know, out there in LA and due to whatever, you know, disagreements they are having with, with him and Jeannie. I don't know, man, but it's just a lot of fishy stuff going on that I really can't, you know, I really can't understand right now. You know what I mean? It's like, you know, he's done, he's done a lot for the Lakers, bro. Like, he is iconic, you know what I mean? So I don't really know what's the pushback or what's the disagreements that he has with the Lakers or even if any of this is even true. You know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What happened is that there were some people that didn't like the way Genie handled things in that family.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because what happened was all Janie. Jesse, the other one, got fired.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

She gets to stay on for another five years.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How is that fair? Oo Me, you and Joe, brothers. Yeah. Okay. The hierarchy. Joe gets left in charge, me and you. OO get fired. But Joe get to keep his job for another five years. But the team gets sold.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on. Why didn't we all get to keep our job? So, Joe, why you get to stay on for five years? OO and I get fired? Why we couldn't keep our job title for another five years? Why only you?

[Joe]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see what happens? Drunks, kid and angry people will tell you the truth. These people were mad that Jeannie removed them. Yeah. Janie also said the other brother. The other brothers didn't comment, but Janie said her father would not be pleased with the way this situation happened. Remember we talked about it the other day, Ocho and Joe, that Steve Bachata said he's selling the team before it ever gets to this point. He said, because it'll rip a family apart.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'll be damn if it's not playing out before you. Now, does LeBron have an ego? And I tell people this all the time, the greater the person, the bigger the ego. I don't give a damn what line of work you in. Right. Since we're talking about athletes, let's go to Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O', Neal, LeBron James, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Luka Dante, it does not matter. You talk about baseball player, talk about Barry Bonds, take about. Talk about Shohei, talk about Aaron Judge, it does not matter. Talk about it doesn't matter. Talk about Oprah, you talk about Tyler Perry, it does not matter. The greater the person, the bigger the ego.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Absolutely.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Joe]

Hold on, hold on. And that's. That's not a bad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no. That's what got them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

My point exactly. There's a reason why they are as successful as they are. I mean, you get to a certain point, you got to have a little ego.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Or Joe.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You got to have a little something. You got to have some. Something that makes you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How you think they got to where they are.

[Joe]

Why you successful?

[Shannon Sharpe]

How you think they got to where they are. A belief that I'm superior, that I'm the baddest MO walking.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hello.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And the more you accomplish you like, the more you feel invincible. Yeah.

[Joe]

Bingo.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And people like, oh, and you know what has.

[Joe]

Hey, you know, before you go and Joe, you know, it has a lot of people food with all the names that unk just rung off or just, just, just rotted off. Right. I think when we see them in the image that they portray, we view them as people that don't have ego because the way they carry themselves, the way they talk in front of the camera, you know, some of the stuff, all. Some of the, the philanthropy work that they do, but they. People got to understand behind closed doors, if you don't know them personally, you never know. Everybody of some type of status has ego.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We see everybody what they want us to see.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Right.

[Joe]

Come on now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So that's why you see those guys, they go up there to the press conference and they stand behind that dossier and they talk. That is what they want you to see. Now when they get home, it's a different light. I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that. We're just gonna deal with this situation. Did LeBron have anything to do with Russ coming there? Absolutely. But Russ. But LeBron also wanted to. Martin Rosen, but DeMar DeRozan wanted a three year deal. Rob Pelinka was unwilling to go past two. Let, let's backtrack, backtrack, backtrack. She said she was upset because people think LeBron say, Jeannie, do you remember the last three years of Kobe and do you remember the years Kobe, LeBron got there in 2019? Do you remember from like 15, 16, 17, 18? Do you remember what that was like? LeBron, LeBron packed this back. He was like the Beverly Hills Billies, but. But a little wealthier. He hit in Tennessee, they that black goal and they moved to Beverly Hills. He was in Cleveland, had it all. He said, you know what? You ain't even got to recruit me. Magic Johnson showed up, had the contract. Hey, I'm coming, Magic. Jeannie, not only did you get LeBron in 2019 without having to do any work, Remember all the free agents that had bypassed your ass? Not only did you get LeBron to come in 2020, you also got Anthony Davis and got a championship. And in the process of getting Anthony Davis, you was able to trade him and parlay in that Deluka Doncic Without LeBron James, you get none of this. Now, I'm not saying LeBron does not have an ego. I believe Tiger woods name a great athlete that you don't believe have an athlete, an ego. Now I know some. I'm not gonna call no name, but I know a lot of them.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The way they talk when they. In the privacy with people that they trust is not what they portray on television. And that's okay. I don't have a problem with that.

[Joe]

Yeah. None of them, none of them, none of them, none of them. What you see is not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no. I show you what I want you to see.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Absolutely.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's the magician you see right here. Ocho.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got something in this hand, but look at that. Oh, look at that. Look at this. I need you to see this. Don't you? Look at this other hand.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Right, right, right, right, right, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My grandma used to say, boy, there's a little truth even in a lie. Hello.

[Joe]

Come on, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

With that being said to be Sunday, Genie, you own the team. I bet that. Ocho, you gonna allow somebody to come in your house and tell you. Oho, turn the air up. Oo, turn the tv. Hey, Joe, can you all get me something out the fridge? How the hell you gonna tell me what to do in my own damn house? That's your team. If you give up control, that's on you. But you know why you really gave him that control? Because you knew it was good for business without him. The Lakers is a brand. But the Lakers wasn't winning, Jack. The Lakers wasn't on. T was Kobe left. What?

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who was looking for the Lakers. I know it rubs a lot of people the wrong way because there are many in many Circles believe that LeBron is better than Kobe. And anytime someone comes to a team that your favorite player was on and people say he's better than your favorite player, you're going to feel some type of way. Just. We gonna set that aside and just deal with this. This was a play. Look, when you have a business, Ocho, and that's why you have to be careful, because you need to really set parameters. That's why, you know, I've. I've already put stuff in place. You get this, you get this, you get this. Anybody that can test gets nothing. Because if you don't. If you don't have. If you don't have a succession plan, this is what you're gonna get. He knew it. Steve Bushade told y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He says, I'm set. He said. Cause I know what to do. Mark Cuban says, you know what he said? I don't even want to put my family in this situation.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So they got a profit. Okay, Genie. Genie is. Was. She.

[Rob Gronkowski / Julian Edelman]

She.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Russell, control away from her brother. That means the other members, board members, had to vote Genie in charge. Little did they know I helped get you elected. Now you lock me up.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

That is cold.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho. I cannot in good faith have my sister. We got a bunch of. My sister, my brother, all we just using us for the sake of argument, right? Joe's in charge. But now all of a sudden, Joe work out of her joker. We gonna sell the team. We got to sell the team because so forth, it's on. But Joe, like, hey, check this out. I'm gonna sell the team now. But I' ma write in writing. It ain't no word of mouth. It's in writing that he.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Gets to keep control. Stay in her title for another five years. I think it's five years. But everybody else was terminated and they got paid. They were terminated immediately. Damn. You don't even give me the chance to finish out the year immediately. We gonna pay you to the end of the year, but you getting your ass up out of here today.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

It's not personal. It's just business.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How about this here? In 2013, 2014, the Lakers was 27 and 55. In 2014-15, there was 21 and 61. In 15, 16, there was 17 and 65. In 16 17, there was 26 and 56 and 17, 18, that was 35 and 47. In 18 19, which is LeBron first year there, they were 37, 45. Now you tell me what LeBron did for that team.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

He done a lot, man.

[Joe]

You understand that when someone like that, of that magnitude, that can change the, the trajectory of a franchise, he come, he come to your team. He gonna, he gonna turn it around. He gonna turn it around. But I'm not sure where it comes from where she felt. Obviously every player has an ego.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Joe]

You had Kobe in your building for years. Kobe ain't had no. You think Shaq ain't had no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey. That's why they broke him up.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, but I think that that Lakers brand do help. You know when you mess them, when you mesh them too. Like when Shaq came to the Lakers, how it made him even bigger when Bron came to the Lakers. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's intertwined. It's helped, it's helped both, both parties. You know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think LeBron has helped the Lakers more than Lakers helped Braun. For the simple fact, Joe, he was a three time. You see Kobe, Kobe came there as a young man, a boy, 17 and grew. Yeah, he could have been that great. But I don't know. If he'd have been great in Charlotte, would he still be the Kobe Bryant that we know today is that Laker brand? LeBron was LeBron. You know what I'm saying? He was the chosen one.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Kobe didn't have no mamba that came later. LeBron was anointed before he set foot. People talk about this man was running in Jordan's campus. 16, 17. Tim Hardaway Senior said he was dominating Metal World Peace. Ron Artest said he was dominating. 16. Playing with grown men, playing at a level that was unseen.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

At the time. Yeah. I'm proposing. Appreciative. I can be upset at somebody, Joe, and still appreciate what they've done.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I. Absolutely. That's. That's me now. Everybody ain't like me, Ocho. And I don't. And I don't handle everything. So I don't want to. I don't want to stand up here and seem like I'm holier than thou. Right. But I will tell you this. Anybody that's ever helped Shannon Sharp, I'm forever grateful. Forever. Sean McManus and Tony Batitti gave me an opportunity at CBS. Tony Batiti is the Big Ten commissioner right now. He knows every time I. Every time I see him. Thank you. Sean McManus, he retired. Thank you, Skip. That opportunity that he gave me.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It didn't end well. But, bro, I'm not here. I'm not undisputed. I don't get an opportunity to go to ESPN if it's not for Skip. Right. I'm forever grateful. We just needed to go our separate ways at that time. I ain't got no. I ain't got no problem with Skip. If I were to see Skip, I hug him, say, man, I appreciate it. Miss you, Stephen. A. The same thing. I. I just. I just don't get what Gina was going with this with LeBron. Like, she said, that is yours. And I. I'm not saying that she said any of this, but I'm just saying I would have come out and said, you know what? That's not even true. I appreciate everything LeBron has done for this, but that's a lie. Yeah, I'm very grateful. I'm very appreciative to what he done and what he's done for this organization. Yeah.

[Joe]

You know, she can't come out and say she didn't say that. Where will you get all that dialogue from? You think somebody just can't pull that out the goddamn sky? No, they didn't just pull that out the goddamn sky.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's been surmised.

[Joe]

Those are her words. Those are her words. And they. They. She probably told someone that she trusted and it got out. It's okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Joe]

Stand on business. That's how you felt. You might. Maybe you was angry. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause I'm mad. Maybe that's why I got out. Well, I'm mad, so I told on your ass. This is how she felt about LeBron. This is how she feel about Rich, Paul and Clutch. All I know, Magic Johnson's like a brother to you. Yeah, and Magic Johnson left like a thief in the night. So what, you. You gonna be here next year? Magic. Magic, like.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. That's crazy because you know what? He really. He really went out there and recruited LeBron to come to LA. Uncle Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

LeBron without Magic, LeBron ain't coming.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

That's what I'm trying to tell you. And it's funny how he just got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Up out of there. How about this? I'm gonna give you one more. How. How many big time free age did the Lakers sign? Think about it. Lamarcus Aldridge, he didn't go. You signed Dwight Howard. He's Dwight Howard. Come, he signed and go to Houston. Without LeBron, you don't get Anthony Davis. Without Anthony Davis, you don't get Luca. So the domino effect is who. That one big domino made all that happen. Now you got a superstar for. For the next decade. They ain't looking thanks to one guy.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

They ain't looking at it like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because I'm trying to think who you got on your roster. So without Anthony Davis being a piece that came to play with LeBron because he's at clutch, what piece could the Lakers have traded? Chat to get? Luka Doncic. Name me a piece. You'd had to give him 10, 20% of the Lakers, which the NBA won't allow.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

It ain't one. It ain't one. There's no way it happens. There's no way it happened.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You didn't get Gasol. You traded for Gasol. You see, you traded for him. He didn't come. Be a free agency. Now, if we go talk, we're gonna talk factual. Yeah. If I'm not mistaken, you traded for Lamar Odin. You traded for Motor Metal World Peace. So what? So what all. So what? What all NBA. What?

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

It ain't one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I forgot. You did get Marc Gasol, but Marcus all knees was back. Worse than mine, huh? Yeah, and that's. Yeah, that's hard. You want to see me going, hey, going up the steps is fine. You ought to see me coming down the steps.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

You had to turn sideways.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look, hey, man. Cause I already know if I hit the floor, I'm gonna shadow like ice. You know, you in the kitchen, you drop ice on the floor, everywhere. That's me. But I I don't know what Genie hoped to. Because here, Ocho, me and you tell me and you talking. See, the thing is, you got to be careful, because if you say, hey, don't tell nobody. You tell one person. That one person could tell 10 people.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So now 12 people know when only two was supposed to know.

[Joe]

And by the time it gets to the 12th person, the story is completely different than the original.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Of course.

[Joe]

Completely different. You know, they're gonna add on a little bit exaggerated.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You remember we used to play the game in elementary. Ocho, you tell the first. The first person, the first desk. You, the teacher come tell you something.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

By the time it got to the back, it was nothing. What that teacher told the first person. How the hell y' all F that up? Yeah, y' all done added. Done took some stuff out. I. I look, I'm still. Look, everybody, it ain't no secret to me. LeBron leave. I'm leaving Luca still. L. I'm not going to watch him like I do now with LeBron and Luca, my guy. I like Luca. I like Luca from the first time. When it first. Skip and I used to go back and forth, and Skip said, he's not. I say, skip. That dude's special. After what I watched him do to Kawhi, pg, Pat, Bev, everybody, they threw at him, and he's still getting them numbers. I said, nah, he can play. He. He for real.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, Br. The type to go to New York.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

What about him going to New York? If Br. Le you go, he go to New York. You gonna be a Knicks fan.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm a LeBron fan, so I will follow him. At first, I was a Kobe fan. Kobe could do no wrong. Still couldn't do any wrong in my eyes, right? But I had to make a decision. I could have Kobe and LeBron or I could have Kobe and Kevin Durant. Cause Burns is from the dmv. He knew about Kevin Durant. I didn't. He said, I'll give you. I'll give you LeBron. Because I had Mello at first. Because Mello is in Denver. Yeah, I'm in Denver. I'll give you LeBron if you let me take KD.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Done.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I get LeBron and Kobe. Yes. Yes. I jumped on that with both feet, guys. How could. Hopped on it. How could I not? I get Kobe and LeBron. What? Look, I think there's a truth, and I don't say everything is. It's 100%, but there's some truth in. In a lot of this. What this, what this person. And Baxter, he writes great articles. He does a lot of fact checking. All, all Gina had to say is, I didn't say that. Now, we got a lot of family going on, right? You could appreciate somebody and still say what you said. I mean, two things can be true, Ocho.

[Joe]

Yeah, you're right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

People make it seem like, well, if, if she appreciated that means she didn't say it. No, two things can be true. She could appe I and I believe she appreciates LeBron, but she also could have said what she. What they're alleging. She.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

I mean, I hope this thing don't get too, too messy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look, LeBron don't have. LeBron don't have a. He's basically. He's on an expiring contract. He's on expiring contract. He's not going anywhere. Now, you have to do something with Austin Reeves. Austin Reed's Gonna probably want 2,250 million dollars.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

So do you pay him that? Do you pay him that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you can't pay him that and bring LeBron back because LeBron ain't giving up no discounts. He took that. He done said it. He said, I took this discount when I went to Miami for those four years. I'll never play for anything less than the max. Now, I don't know what a max player gonna be for a guy going into year 24, Joe, you could better speak to that. Maybe it's 30, 40, 50 million, I don't know. Hey, look, and the guy still averaging 22, 7 and 8.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

AR, I already talked to AR. My Arkansas homeboy, he ain't giving no discounts neither.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Should he now get your money?

[Joe]

Okay, yeah, he probably gonna get it, you know. You know what? I think he probably gonna get it. It probably won't be in la, you know, I, I, I, I, I think obviously it'd be another big market team. LA is one, you know, he's not coming back to Miami. I mean. Yeah, yeah. So I told y', all, well, go away.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

He gonna go to the Knicks.

[Joe]

Yeah, I mean, that's the only one that makes sense.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

I don't know where it is, but you hear it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, go, go to the Knicks. Yeah, I mean, at this point, that's the only, that's the only place, really. That's, you know, I mean, that's a marquee team. That's a big ass market.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Well, what that man don't been across the globe, he go over there and win one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, wow.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

He might get close to being My go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh? But we've never seen them. Hold on.

[Joe]

What you mean close?

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm mj. I'm Michael Jordan. Mj.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Joe Jordan.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Okay, okay, okay. Hey, that's a. That's a. That's a. That's. That's a debate, man. That's forever going.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen, they're gonna never stop.

[Joe]

Hey, depending on who you ask, boy. Joey, it can go on and on and on because they bring up all type of, you know, stats and numbers and this and that. It just. Everything to support the person that you actually. That you actually think to go there, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

But listen, okay, Ocho. Can you imagine just even being in that conversation, Them two just being Brian, you know, because I'm sure he grew up, you know, idolized MJ.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He wearing 23.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

23. Just to be in that conversation, bro, is like, ill to me.

[Joe]

Like, damn, that's crazy.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's like, when. Go ahead, Y' all finish.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Nah, I'm just saying, just to be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

If I'm Brian, like, just even be in that conversation is, like, sick. Like, you know, you didn't pass him in scoring. You're gonna have all the records when you done. But, man, MJ was mj. I don't know if it was the times for me growing up watching mj, like I say.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

I watched all the Bulls games, Uncle Ocho, on wgn. They came all. Came on wgn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

I watched every game. I didn't miss a game, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So for me, I watched him from his freshman year.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In 82, when he hit the shot against Georgetown when they swung it.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Him, Brad Daugherty, Sam Perkins, Kenny. I don't think. Was Kenny on that team? No, Kenny came the next year. Oh, big game. James Worthy.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did you say James Worthy was the mop? But you do realize that year, Ralph Sampson was the ACC Player of the year.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Was it. Sam Perkins played on that team?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, Sam Perkins on the National Championship team. Work. Sam Perkins, James Worthy, Michael Jordan, Matt Daugherty.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

So, you know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But the ACC Player of the Year was Ralph Sampson at Virginia.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

I want to do them dudes ever.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Really?

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Did they see this in him when he was in college? Like, his.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you call him, said he was the most. Everybody that said he was the most competitive. James Worthy said. James Worthy said I was the best player on campus for about two weeks. Right. Jordan is competitive.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A lot of people never gonna get an opportunity to be around him. But if you're around him, he will challenge you in anything, bro. Cards, shooting pool. There is nothing. He is ultra, ultra, ultra, ultra. I'm talking about bid you. Yeah, Big L, big T, big R, big A, ultra competitive. I'm talking about he. And he ain't bet no like he betting money.

[Joe]

Yeah, you got the hat.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I bet you a hundred thousand I can beat you in pool. Let's go play cards right now. No, I'm not losing my house to you. The hell?

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, cuz, it ain't nothing to him. That's some ch.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, hell no.

[Joe]

Hey, well, that's funny, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Flip a coin. You know, we used to play flip a coin, get like me. So we both flip a coin, get like me. Whatever yours is, I'mma say mine is, too. We play a dime, we might play a quarter. That man try to play $1,000. Get out of here, man. Test your ass out of here. Right? But I'm sure by now Jeannie has had a conversation with LeBron and Rich Paul, right?

[Joe]

That's. Man, that's all. That's all smoke and mirrors. It's out now. It's out the window. I know it ain't. Ain't nothing to talk about now. All you're gonna do is gonna be the same. Oh, Oh, I. You know what? When I got out, let me apologize. It's. It's fake now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's fake now.

[Joe]

You already know what the play is now, Joe. What's the point of apologizing now?

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

She gonna make a video. She gonna make a video, man.

[Joe]

Make no sense. You know, people tell you how to feel, and all of a sudden it get out now you embarrassed now you got to put everything in reverse, man. Come on now. It's how you feel. It's okay. Everybody's not going to like everybody. No, no. The owners are not going to like all their players. And you just so happen to feel a certain way about individual that came in and helped the Lakers in a way, and maybe you do appreciate it, but in hindsight, you actually don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We shouldn't be surprised. I don't. I don't think Mr. Reinsdorf was the fondest of Jordan, because if he was, he'd have never let Jerry Krause break that team up. We can blame Jerry Krause, and people put that on Jerry Krause, but Jerry Reinsdorf owns the team. And just like we're gonna talk about this a minute. Buffalo. Oh, oh. Being. Yeah. And he bears some culpability, but the Pagolas, they own the team.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Teams reportedly expect there will be a divorce between the Milwaukee Bucks and Giannis, per Brian Windhorse. It's almost like a couple that everybody in the league thinks is going to get divorced. They don't know if they're going to get divorced by Easter or if it's going to get divorced by July 4th. But in the league, teams do believe this is going to be a divorce? A divorce? I know what Giannis is on record is saying. I know what DOC is on record as saying. The Bucks, to my knowledge, are still not taking phone calls on Giannis. They're only making outgoing calls. Having said that, I can just tell you that teams are poised, thinking this could end up being a separation at some point.

[Joe]

Well, hell, I could have told you that. Hey, Joe, I said that long time ago. No, Giannis, Giannis. That's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's.

[Joe]

That's my homeboy. You know, Joe, I ain't really come on too savage with my knowledge of the game of basketball.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

No, go ahead, go ahead.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oo, you gotta chill, man.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, he. You gotta chill. Oh, for real.

[Joe]

Now, you know. Hey, Joe, Joe, you know, I know everybody.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Come on. Hey, look, man, we done hung. I had a good time. Don't act like that. Like. Come on now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on, come on, come on.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, listen, listen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If, If.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Check this out. If he don't get traded at deadline for sure this summer, Uncle Nocho, because his value is so high right now and shit, Giannis probably could win another couple championships. You put him on the right team.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The problem is who has who. Because the problem is when you get one of these guys, Joe, you take so much away from the team that he's going to be. Going to. So let's just say the Knicks are in place. I'm gonna need Carl Anthony Towns, I'm gonna need Anna Nobi, I'm gonna need Bridges, and I'm gonna need some draft picks.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

You might get two of them. You might get two of them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You want Giannis? Huh?

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hold on.

[Joe]

You see?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You want Giannis?

[Joe]

You see?

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, I want Yannis.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay? I need Cat. I need OG and I need Bridges, and I need draft picks.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Whoa, whoa, slow down, Turbo. Slow down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen. Okay, well, I just keep him over here. Good luck with your team.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Listen, I can give you two. I can give you two of them, plus some draft picks, but I can't. You can't. You want to, you got to keep one of them wings. You're going to have to probably give up two of them, but you have to keep one of them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

10 straight. 10 straight all star games. All NBA. Like seven, eight times defensive player of the year, finals MVP. Two time league MVP. Now, I know. I want Cat. I want OG, I want Bridges and draft picks.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. Whoa, whoa. How about we throw in a little cash on that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

We.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

A couple trades. Couple draft picks. I throw a couple meal in on, you know?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Some cash. And your cash no good here. Oh, I want Carl Anthony Towns, I want Mikhail Bridges, I want OG Anunoby and I want a couple of. I want a first. I want two first round picks and I want two pick swaps. Desmond Bain went for four first rounders and two and players. Look at what Mikhail Bridges went for. And you tell me I can't get this for an mvp. A finals mvp, A defensive player of the year, an eight time all NBA selection.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Times, times have changed. Times change, man.

[Joe]

Yeah, they have.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Guess what ain't changed. Giannis is on the contract with the books.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

I know. For another, I think two years to be sure, Leo. Yeah, yeah, but listen, you know, you, you know, you don't want that bad juju over there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I want that bad juju.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Nah, you don't want that bad juju. Go get him out. Get him off your hands. Let y' all start fresh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, he gonna be mad. Tell him scratch his ass and get glad. Go get. Go get the $60 million.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe. Hey, hold on. I'm saying let me get a little scenario, though. You said LeBron to the Knicks, so is that, Is there a chance we can see LeBron and Giannis on the same team?

[Shannon Sharpe]

See, now look at you. Now look at Joe J.

[Rob Gronkowski / Julian Edelman]

The head.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now Giannis, Bronson. Giannis, Bronson, somebody. LeBron.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Somebody gotta take a little pay cut. Somebody had to take a little pay cut. I'll go over there asking for my. He asking.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't gonna have nothing left, man. Leave me butt naked over here. You know, that's what happens. You know, that's what happens when you trade for. What happened to. What happened to the, the Knicks when they traded for Mellow? They had nothing left.

[Joe]

They had nobody over there. No, no, nothing.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

We gonna figure this thing out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, You know, look, I, and I agree with Brian. I know what Giannis is saying publicly. Giannis says I, I will. Hey, y' all hear what I'm saying? But whatever my agent do, that ain't got nothing to do with me. Since when does an agent not work at the behest of the player? Ocho, you had an agent, Joe, you've had an agent. I had an agent. They do what we. Hey, this is what they got. No, I want a little bit more.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Right, right.

[Joe]

You know, NBA players. Hey, Joke. Hey, NBA players ain't in a position to talk and say what they really want to say. They in a position. They got.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Well, it's. It's a. It's such a superstar driven league. Yeah, Ocho, you know what I mean? Like, ultimately, those.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

The big guys, the big guns, Braun, Giannis, those. They can kind of get what they want. For real?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They, they. Yes, they. Jokic, they drive. You look at a guy like Jokic, Yic, whatever he want. Y said he. Wait. Watch what y get this summer.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, my God.

[Joe]

Yana said he don't want to be there, so they might well just get the ball rolling now. Ain't no. Ain't no point wasting no time. And then if you don't.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

If you don't, that'll take his brand to a whole nother level.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boy, going to New York, oh, my goodness, can you. And think about it. You win a championship in one of. One of these. One of these cornerstone franchises, the Celtics, the Knicks, the Lakers, hey, they had it.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

They have him standing right next to the Statue of Liberty.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. You win one, can you imagine? There are certain places if. If you win a championship. Yeah, you're. You're. You're mythical.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

You ain't wanting New York.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You look at. Look at how Boston looks at big Poppy. Look at how New York looks at Jeter. Look at how the Lakers look at Kobe. Look at Bird and Celtics. Magic with the Celtics. There's Joe. Chicago. You win a championship in Chicago, man, come on, man. People still talking about. People still talking about Jim McMahon. Bring a championship, bro. You forever at these franchises, and they had one in 50 years.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What? Damn.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Well, you, man. Yeah. Be his.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The thing. A lot of things. But here's the. The difference between LeBron, what I like about LeBron and Kevin Durant. They don't care nothing about no pushback or what the fans want. I'm gonna do what I want. Katie said, I'm going to Golden State. F you. I'm going to Brooklyn. F you. I want to leave Brooklyn. I'm going to Phoenix. F you. I'm leaving Houston. He knows that blowback is going to come. JD Said, I don't care. I'm gonna do what makes me happy. Far too long. I've done what made everybody else happy. Now it's about my happiness. LeBron knew he was gonna get criticism for leaving Cleveland and going to Miami. He knew going back to Cleveland. He knew going to the Lakers. Yeah, Said effort. Everybody ain't built to take that criticism. That's why LeBron, that's why Giannis is saying, you know, you heard what I said, but whatever my agent decide, that ain't got nothing to do with me. Like that agent gonna do something without your blessing.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Terry Pakula appeared on Sean McDermott as a skate appeared to use Sean McDermott as a scapegoat, publicly shifting blame while standing firmly behind Brandon Bean, especially defending the controversial decision to draft Keon Colburn. Coleman was selected by Buffalo with the 33rd overall pick in the 2024 draft, but has underperformed thus far in his two season. Let's take a listen to what Mr. Bagula had to say on Keon Coleman.

[Rob Gronkowski / Julian Edelman]

Yeah, can I interrupt?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'll address the Keon situation. The coaching staff pushed to draft Keon. I'm not saying Brandon wouldn't have drafted him, but he wasn't his next choice. That was Brandon being a team player and taking advice of his coaching staff who felt strongly about the player. And you know, he. He's taken, for some reason heat over it and not saying a word about it. But I'm here to tell you the true story. Ocho, before you go now, if you go back and look at the NFL Network cut up, Brandon Bean is saying, I'm glad he ran 4, 5, 7. That means he'll be there when we select. Now, that's what he said. If it's a lie, he told it. But you see now there Vic Karrueche and I know Vic. Vic said there was a meeting about a month ago. Mr. Brandon Bean, Sean McDermott, he. Yeah, they asked Sean McDermott. Now, this is what's being reported. I don't know. I wasn't there. What's being reported is that he. Sean McDermott says, I don't think we have enough right now to win a championship. And in the process of saying that, because I'm trying to now. Since he drafted Josh Allen, Brandon bean has selected two Pro bowl players. 2. Dion Dawkins, James Cook, Dawson Knox. Oh, James Cook, Dawson Knox. He selected 56 players. That's not a good ratio.

[Joe]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, I don't think I've ever heard an owner.

[Joe]

Ever, ever, Joe. Ever. You know, you don't, you don't do. You don't, you don't do your young players like that. You don't come out and say some of the things you just said like that. Now, I understand the onus also in being responsible, being on time, knowing your routes, be not missing meetings, whatever it may be, whatever reason they had to make you a healthy scratch you can control.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely.

[Joe]

Because if you were doing your end not only in meetings, not only at practice, then we wouldn't be getting to a part where your owner comes out saying stuff like this because they see you as a valuable asset to that team. So when they don't see you as a valuable asset, they. This is the kind of. You got, Abely, which rarely happens. Conversations like that, Joe, like what we heard today or what, what un just played. That's the stuff that goes on behind closed Doors. Those are the things that are said behind closed doors. You never hear about it. The public never gets to hear it. I think we saw a small example of it with Jerry Jones this year. Obviously, with the Michael Parson stuff, you saw a little bit of it creep out a little bit, actually. An owner actually saying how they truly feel. But now owners are getting a little. Not. Not a little brazen, you know, and. And letting people know how they feel about certain players.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You like that, don't Jojo?

[Joe]

I love it. I told you that. I told you we need to have more people like Jenny Buss. You need to come on that. Yeah, you know what? I said it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That.

[Joe]

That's how I felt at the time. I was angry. I was upset. You know what? Is there anything I could do about it? Can I take it back? No, I can't. Mr. Bean, Mr. Bagula, that's how you feel about Keon? Okay, bet. Say less. Either you gonna keep him or you're not. But I tell you one thing. I tell you one thing. You let him go, you're gonna regret it. Maybe that's the chip.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

That's what I'm saying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Maybe that might be the chip he might need, huh? Yeah, Joe, sometimes it's a wake up call.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Because if I'm hearing that. If I'm hearing that, if I'm Keon and I'm hearing that, I'm like, come on, man.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe. Good thing they binge. Hey, hey, Joe. They binge. Bryce Young last came back strong, but when he came. When he came back from that benches.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Boy, what he looked like stepping on stuff. Stepping on it.

[Joe]

Come on, now.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Stepping on it. Stop playing, big boy.

[Joe]

Man, listen. Another. A small example. Some people might not believe it. Some people might not believe it. They bench. They bench to her. I just have a feeling and just a gut feeling inside of me. Hell, he gonna go somewhere else.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

He gonna ball, lady and he go.

[Joe]

He gonna ball in. The situation might be predicated for him perfectly. I just think it might happen. Keon Coleman, him come on down here in the off season and holla at your boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, hey, go see. Go see.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Ocho, y', all, you got to get your hands.

[Joe]

Oh, man, listen. Hey, he didn't know I'm already in his hip pocket.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He didn't.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, I'll come down there. I come down there and run some routes with y', all, man. You gotta get him right? Okay. Let him.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, that guy from.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Where you from?

[Joe]

I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Where Keon from?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He went to Michigan State. So he might be from Michigan somewhere. Up in Michigan. Oh, yeah, cuz he went to Michigan State. He was at Michigan State at first. He's from Louisiana. Yeah, he from the boot.

[Joe]

Okay, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, he from the boot.

[Joe]

I mean, he already got. He already got.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

They breed him like that.

[Joe]

Yeah, okay.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

You gotta teach. Hey, you gotta teach him how to be a pro. Ocho.

[Joe]

I got him, I got him, I got. I got him, I got him. Two different things.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A professional occupation. Pro is how you go about your business. Yeah. Now that. Telling that joke. They was laughing on your. Remember you got them coaches from Marshall and H M. You know, I play a little golf. All I do is play football. Go home, play golf. I'm tired of. Wish you could not Tiger Woods. Okay, that's fine and good. Now you telling all them jokes and everybody. Kiki, get your ass on the field. You better ball out.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Right?

[Joe]

Yeah, that's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know. I know a guy that was funny that joke all the time.

[Rob Gronkowski / Julian Edelman]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

He was a class clown with a.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Seventh round draft pick. Joe.

[Joe]

I could tell you another one that was funny too. And he was entertaining, Joe. Hey, he ain't take the game serious and he ain't follow their NFL rule. He marched by the beat of his own.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who was it? Who?

[Joe]

Boy, you looking at him? What?

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Huh?

[Joe]

Hey, hey, boy, listen. The NFL was my playground, and I'm gonna play it the way I want to. I don't care what you say. But when it came time to do things right, the things that require you being approached. Yes. Being on time, showing up for meetings, practicing her. Hey, Joe, I ain't miss you.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

First one now.

[Joe]

Oh, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who? What?

[Joe]

Joe, I lived in the stadium.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The first in the way in the weight room, man.

[Joe]

That's the kind. That's the kind of. Hey, Joe. That's the kind of locked in.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

I was.

[Joe]

I was. I was a little bit crazy. I was a little crazy, though. They called me can't get right Joe. That's what I was, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Real talk.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

When I was in college, Uncle Ocho, I literally. I slept in the gym.

[Shannon Sharpe]

For real.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

We had a lounge and it had like. That's when you had the big flow. Models, flat screen tv. The big.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, man.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

I used to. Hey, I had my video game hooked up on that joint. I slept in the lounge.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, bro.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

And didn't just go out and shot. Just basically taking naps and just waking up, going out there, you know, working on my game. When I was in College. I lived in the gym, bro.

[Joe]

Yeah. Hey, hey, Joe. Keon gotta love this game. He gotta love the game. When you love the game, Joe. When you love the game, Joe. And you pour into that, Joe, it gave you all. It all come back to you on Sundays. It all come back to the results show up. I'm talking about what nobody's looking, Joe. You got to pour into your craft, Joe. And Unc Ocho when you point into your craft, not when they tell you you gotta go out and train. When you're not even supposed to be doing it, when nobody's watching, when nobody's looking and you just. Normal day and you honing it and you sharpening it. The results show up on Sundays. And before you even get to Sunday, I want Keon Coleman to get to a point in the off season where he gets into a building, whether it's in Buffalo or whether somebody else we get in the building, and he makes everyone else's job easy. Well, God damn, who is this?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, well, who is this?

[Joe]

Now everything flips. You're now more valuable to them as opposed to the opposite way. They can't talk about you because now you on your. All your eyes are crossed. I mean, all your eyes are dotted and all your T's is crossed. Now you got to do and go out there and play football.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

That discipline, bro. You gotta have that discipline, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I always. I used to ask guys when I would talk to guys. I don't get an opportunity to talk to very many guys. Now, I said, I want to know one thing. Do you love the game or do you love what the game can provide? Oh, man, that's all I need to know. Because if you love the game, everything that you think the game can provide, it will and plentiful, hello, in abundance. But if the only thing that you love is what the game could provide, it won't be long, right? It won't be long.

[Joe]

You get. You get exposed, huh? You get exposed real quick.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

You forget. You forget what got you there. You forget what got you there. The hard work, dedication, the them late dark nights. Because, see, once you come into it, once you come into being a professional and you get. You start to make all this money, man, you start to do things that probably you normally wouldn't do. But, yeah, as a youngster, we know you're gonna make mistakes, but we got to try to minimize those mistakes. But you got to have a love and passion to naturally want to get better, bro. That's the only way you're going to improve. If I gotta always tell you or Keon, if I always gotta tell her. Hey, man, come on, man, let's go work out. Let's go. If I gotta always do this, I'm.

[Joe]

Gonna go so far, brother, you got to be there. I can't. I can't want it for nobody. I can't want it more than you do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I can't.

[Joe]

It. It'll never work. It'll never work. And I. And listen, un. I didn't. I didn't send a DM to all the young ones now. I didn't send a DM to all the young. You what? Young you laughing? Keon already talked to him. Xavier legged already talked to him. Roma dun, man. Luther Burden, I'm talking about. I done went through all 32 teams here. Everybody that's in year two and three, man. Come on, man.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm gonna come out there, give me some of them ladder drills with y', all, man.

[Joe]

Let's. Let's. Let's work, man. Let's politic. Let's talk. How do we get you going back to your team? Completely different. Completely different, where you're now more valuable to them. God. You mean we. Hey, hey, hey. What do you mean? We don't have to put him in motion.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, wait.

[Joe]

We don't have to condense the split. Not. I mean, just all around. Your game can evolve so fast and just. Oh, just two, three months. That's all I need. Yeah, two, three months. How you seeing the game different?

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, hey, it's got to be, you know, you got to look at maybe who the people he hanging around, too. Ocho, you never know, bro. You know, it could be deeper than just a game, bro. Just keeping it 100, you know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's why I take my hat off to the greats. Because if you look at anybody that's been great. Tom Brady played the game like he was still that six round draft pick, and he was broke. Peyton Manning with the number one draft pick, highly sought after. But he played the game like he was broke. Jordan played the game like he was broke. Kobe, LeBron, all these guys played the game like they were broke. They put the time in, year after year, in order to be great. Some people are born great. Some people have greatness thrust upon them. It does not matter. It only matters what you do with that greatness. Theodore Roosevelt. Some people are born great. Some people have greatness thrust upon them. What are you going to do, Ocho?

[Joe]

They gonna be all right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They say, Ocho, your famous quote says insanity Is doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different result. I did the same thing over and over, hoping for the same result to be successful. That's why I trained the way I trained. That's the way I ate. The way I ate. That's why I did what I did, because I wanted the same result all pro Pro Bowl, Super Bowls. Why deviate? I'm not saying be you. Because at the end of the day, I'm me. One time, he's like, 84. Why you. Why you not calm like TD? Cause I ain't TD. This me.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The greatest compliment that I probably was that I got from my teammates. And a lot of the coaches, they said 84. When you was gone. We were miserable. All of a sudden, it became a job. It wasn't fun anymore because I kept. And you heard John say it say, you kept the locker room. You got them going. I kept some bull job going. That was.

[Joe]

That was me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But when they need a training camp, a practice, cool would come to me. A coup would send BP with my position coach. The boss want you to get them going. Okay, Now I got to start banging on the joke. I'm gonna strike the band up. Oh, I'm going up everything. Joe. Strike the band up. You, You. Oh, y' all about to get it today. Nah. Oh, no. The man say, hey, we need that.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Keon, you can do both. You can still be you. But you can only be you if you. You on the field.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All that dancing. All that dancing and all. Hey. All that. All that. Do that in the end zone.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, what.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What that dance they be doing. I don't know what to call.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

You got to be the hardest worker.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. You got to be all that in the end zone.

[Joe]

Yeah. All right, we go. We. We gonna. We don't. We'll get him right. I'm gonna get him right. Hey, hey, hey, Joe. I'm looking for a reason to put him in Strap my goddamn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Keep you in some shape, huh? That's what I'll be talking about, man.

[Joe]

You know. You know, I got my wide receiver workshop now in the off season. Well, remember all the fellas came out Miami, man. What? Man? Hey, I'm somebody in my old high school. Judy Chase, T. Higgins. Jordan Reed, Cortlandt Sutton. Man, all them JSN was here like all them dog.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They.

[Joe]

I said, well, they. Hey, Joe, I ain't expect them. I didn't expect all them boys to show up like that because, you know, it was short notice, and I'd Be scared to bother people because, you know, I look at them like, oh, my God, like a little kid. Like, I never played in the NFL. So if I was. If I was to ask personally and they tell me, no, Joe, I'll be hurt. Hey, Joe, I swear for God, my right hand of God, man, like, I can't take here and know from those that I look up to now that I'm not playing the game no more.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't.

[Joe]

I. The way they view me and how they look at that, how they say, man, should we look at you? Nah, you don't understand. Like, I. I can be humble and be a fan of y', all, dog. When they showed up, Joe, I tried to. I tried to thank them boy for showing up, Joe, I started crying, man. Yeah, hey, Joe. But, hey, it felt good. It felt good because I was. I was scared to reach out to him because these are the big boys. These. The boys making 30, 40 million a year. I think they gonna come work out with me. And they. And they looked at me and said, man, it's you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You damn right.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, you ain't know how much weight you carry.

[Joe]

Nah, not. I mean, you know, I don't look at it like that, Joe. I don't look at it like. But, dog. But the boy had me feeling good. So now I'm seeing all the issues with all the young dudes this year. I'm like, nah, I' ma fix that.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

You got to keep them on track, man. You gotta keep them receivers on track, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn.

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, I'm gonna come get some of.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That, though, if this doesn't wake him up. Because I. Like I said, I've never heard an owner talk about. Now if he wasn't on the team. I can see it. This man's still currently on your roster and you talking reckless like this. He's saying, Brandon. Brandon. That wasn't. That wasn't Brandon choice. I'm not saying Brandon wouldn't selected him, right?

[Ochocinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

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