Nightcap Hour 1: Fernando Mendoza LEADS INDIANA to NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP vs MIAMI + John Harbaugh's DEMANDS for next CONTRACT + Kevin Stefanski INTERVIEWS for RAVENS HC + Vikings are REGRETTING letting Sam Darnold WALK

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1

Date: January 10, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ocho” Johnson
Episode Theme:
This episode offers a blend of lively banter and sharp football analysis centered around Indiana's commanding win over Oregon to secure a spot in the national championship game against Miami. The discussion pivots to hot coaching rumors in the NFL—most notably John Harbaugh’s contract demands and Kevin Stefanski’s potential fit with the Ravens. The hosts also examine the Minnesota Vikings’ regret in letting Sam Darnold walk, and the Seahawks’ response to playoff ticket resale.

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Main Topics & Detailed Breakdown

1. Fernando Mendoza Leads Indiana to the National Championship

• Recap of Indiana vs Oregon (56–22)

  • Indiana's dominant playoff performance: outscoring playoff opponents 94–25.
  • Early turning points: D’Angelo Pons’s interception set the tone.
  • Oregon tried to fight back but Indiana went on a 35-point run (12:21).

  Shannon:

  “Indiana Hoosier blow out the Oregon Ducks by the score of 56 to 22... blowout started early in the game. D’Angelo Pons, who came on the show earlier this year, picked off Devonte Moore... and returned it 25 yards.” (12:21)

• Praise for Fernando Mendoza

  • 17/20 passing, 177 yards, 5 touchdowns, few incompletions.
  • Chad marvels at Mendoza's trajectory from Miami’s Columbus High School.
  • “Joe Burrow” comparisons for clutch play in big games.
  • Both note Indiana’s turnaround as “historically bad to national contender.”

  Chad:

  “His ball placement all game long was phenomenal... Every out route he threw, whether it was on the short side or the wide side, the ball placement was perfect.” (15:07)

  Shannon:

  “This might be... we might need to do a story because we've never seen a turnaround happen this quick. Not with a team that's been this historically bad.” (17:03)

• Coaching & Team Analysis

  • Indiana: “basketball school” now shocking everyone in football.
  • Coach Signet's stoic demeanor—“Stone cold killer face.”
  • Miami’s challenge: Turnovers and execution will be key; pressure on both QBs in the upcoming championship.

2. NFL Head Coach Rumor Mill

A. John Harbaugh’s Contract Demands

• 20 million/year salary, $10M staff budget, full roster control, wants to pick own GM (28:44).

• Discussion on feasibility and value with teams like Cleveland and the NY Giants.

• Comparison to Jerry Jones’ grip on the Cowboys—why Dallas is off-limits for top coaches.

  Chad:

  “He wants control... He didn’t say some input—he said total authority over the final 53.” (29:25)

  Ocho:

  “If I’m going to Cleveland, I know what I need... to be able to succeed in this room, to compete in the AFC North.” (29:25)

• Coaching voice “running stale”—sometimes players just need a new voice, referencing Belichick in New England.

B. Kevin Stefanski Interviews for Ravens Head Coach

• Ocho is skeptical of Stefanski’s fit with Baltimore.

• Notes Stefanski’s reputation as an offensive mind but doubts defensive improvement in Baltimore under him.

• Chad says the key isn’t the offensive mind, but building a better defense and play-calling to optimize Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry.

  Chad:

  “They got to get somebody that knows how to coach an offense that Lamar can succeed in, that he got Derrick Henry behind him.” (43:54)

  Ocho:

  “I still just don’t see... even if Stefanski is the head coach, when the issues on defense haven’t exactly [been addressed].” (40:25)

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3. Minnesota Vikings’ Regrets Over Sam Darnold

• Sam Darnold’s career year: 14–3 with Minnesota, then repeats 14–3 record with Seattle.

• Statistical comparison: Over 4,000 yards, 25+ TDs in both seasons.

• Chad is critical that the Vikings moved on to rookie J.J. McCarthy, who struggled with injuries and inconsistent play.

• Both hosts emphasize the importance of organization stability and coaching, naming all-time greats and referencing how situations impact player performances.

  Chad:

  “You let a guy that won 14 games, threw 35 touchdowns, 4,300 yards, and you let him walk out the door, and you don’t get nothing for it.” (52:53)

  Ocho:

  “Situations matter. Coaching matters. Organization matters.” (54:58)

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4. NFL Playoff Ticket Controversy

• Seahawks’ warning to season ticket holders about playoff ticket resale potentially affecting renewal eligibility.

• Discussion about team motivations (wanting true fans in the building) and the real economics for ticket holders.

• Both agree the warning seems more like a scare tactic than a policy likely to be enforced.

  Ocho:

  “They thinking just like owners... how can I maximize my earning potential with these tickets?” (57:28)

  Chad:

  “They’re trying to scare them. They don’t want to do that.” (58:15)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Mendoza’s Performance:
  Chad (15:07):

  “If you look at some of the throws he was able to make... he’s throwing a comeback route off the left hash to the wide side of the field. On the money. The ball placement all game long was phenomenal.”

• On Indiana’s Program Turnaround:
  Shannon (17:03):

  “We’ve never seen a turnaround happen this quick—not with a team that’s been this historically bad.”

• Stone-Faced Coach:
  Ocho (16:40):

  “The camera panned to him after a touchdown. He showed nothing. The sideline going crazy behind him. Stone cold killer face. That’s it.”

• On NFL Coaching Demands in Cleveland:
  Chad (29:25):

  “He wants control over the... final 53. This is why Jerry’s never going to get a coach [like this] to coach in Dallas.”

• On Sam Darnold’s Journey:
  Chad (52:53):

  “You let a guy that won 14 games, threw 35 touchdowns, and 4,300 yards, and you let him walk out the door, and you don’t get nothing for it.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [12:21] Indiana’s blowout win, D’Angelo Pons interception recap
• [15:07] Chad on Mendoza’s pro-level throws
• [17:03] Indiana's historic turnaround & program analysis
• [28:44] John Harbaugh’s contract demands
• [40:25] Stefanski’s Ravens interview – Ocho’s skepticism about fit
• [43:54] Chad on what the Ravens need: “somebody that knows how to coach an offense for Lamar”
• [52:28] Darnold vs. McCarthy, Vikings’ QB mistake
• [57:03] Seahawks playoff ticket resale warning, economics of ticket-holding

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Tone, Style, and Dynamic

The episode features the trademark blend of sharp, insightful NFL analysis with banter and playful ribbing unique to Shannon and Ocho. Personal stories, quick-witted joking around debts owed, and casual references to family and friends keep things lively and spontaneous.

Example:
Shannon:

“Sometimes you just gotta stand up on principle... It’s not that $5,900 is a lot of money, it’s the fact that this man doing a Broadway play in my face.” (07:14)

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Summary

This “Nightcap” covers Indiana football’s miracle season, NFL coaching rumors, Sam Darnold’s rare QB journey, and the business of playoff tickets, all through the lens of candid, well-informed NFL vets who don’t mind mixing in some laughs and inside jokes alongside deep football analysis. Well worth a listen for fans who want to go beyond the box scores.

Transcript

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[Chad Johnson]

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[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

So now Shiest Shay gotta show up. Chad, I just want you to know I did not want to revert back to the. The way I was. I had tried to get out of these mean streets of Glenville, right? But every time I try to get out, somebody pulled me back in. And it just so happens to be he pulled me back in. So I don't have no choice. So y' all. Forgive me, Father, forgive me, for I'm about to sin. Just know it didn't have to come to this, right? This could have been prevented months ago, weeks ago, years ago, this man refused to pay Unc his money, so Unc sent me to deal with it.

[Ocho]

Okay. Okay. So this. This is like. This is like the alter ego. Like, this is the alter ego.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't know. No.

[Ocho]

Hey, Shiesty, shake a shisty.

[Chad Johnson]

Shay, this shisty shape.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I like that. Hey, that's. Hey, that's dope right there. But listen, you don't understand. And what I was saying, obviously, it's still my birthday today. You know, I thank God for allowing me to see 58. And outside of thanking God for not only allowing me to see 58, I had to thank you. The opportunity in which you gave me the platform to be able to. Be able to treat myself. The Nightcap family, obviously we have a lot of fans, a lot of supporters, but I won't talk about Ash and everyone else behind the scenes who I don't get to thank enough for allowing me to be able to get this purchase. That's what I was trying to say. So it was more of a thank you to you in the Nightcap family, because if it wasn't for you, these blessings would not be bestowed upon me. Hey, think about. Think about what? Think. Just think. What would God do in this situation?

[Chad Johnson]

Chad will be making an appearance, a special appearance on the first 48 next week. Make sure y' all tune into the episode. The clock doesn't start starting until the first 48. I can't believe this chat that un had to go get Shiesky. Shay, pull him out, because this man, he. He bought this life. He bought his life, man. You don't understand, bro. Hey, y' all don't understand. My paper means something, and y' all know I'm short of paper as it is, so I got to do it now. You, I got good. Hey, sometimes you just gotta stand up on principle. Right?

[Ocho]

The principle. Hey, hey, the principal. What you mean, principal?

[Chad Johnson]

Like in high school, it's the principal. It's not the fact that 5,900 is a lot of money. It's the fact that this man doing a Broadway play in my face. This man got a controller. I sent, I had. My homeboy sent him a picture of a controller, and he texted my homeboy back and said, what's this? He said, you playing with money.

[Ocho]

That. So I, I, I, I, I wasn't playing. I'm just, you know, God is blessing me to be able to do some things I've never been able to do before. And I would just, you know, being thankful, not just to you and, And. And the Nightcap family, but me and SP to slide.

[Chad Johnson]

That's all. It is what it is. The money don't even matter now.

[Ocho]

You good? We good? We good, huh? We good? Hey, hey, one thing about it. My grandma always say, boy, as long as somebody owe you, baby, you'll never be broke.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, I'm gonna let you tell the man that.

[Ocho]

Which man?

[Chad Johnson]

The man that you go. Go meet. Make sure you got his ties with you.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. I got you. I, I hate. I hate that it had to come, you know, I got you if you need. If. If you need me, I got you.

[Chad Johnson]

It had to come to this, too. Man, I mean, yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, you know. You know, I supported La Portier yesterday, too. I was drinking. I. I bought that bottle from abc. ABC looker down here in Miami now.

[Chad Johnson]

Didn't slide earlier. He let you celebrate his birthday? He ain't have to do that. He could have pulled up on you, cuz. I know some of the spots that you be at. You feel me?

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I, I. But I didn't want to roll up on you. You in Cambodia. I thought that was gangster.

[Ocho]

Yeah, okay, okay. Hey, you know, she keep that thing on her.

[Chad Johnson]

So what I'm saying is, stop playing with me. You feel me?

[Ocho]

I got you.

[Chad Johnson]

Stop playing with me. So when my name come up, put some spec on it, right? Put some spec on my name.

[Ocho]

Okay? Wait, Spec or respect?

[Chad Johnson]

Put some spec on my name.

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

We finished and we done.

[Ocho]

I like the way you left. I got you. My bad. My bad. My bad. I got you, though. Like. Like, real, real, real. I'm gonna tighten you up. But, oh, hey, when you come down to Miami, I can show you. Give you a drive, though. I'm just saying, I know you like, like sports cars.

[Chad Johnson]

Man. I'm gonna have to roll up on old boy, bro. You know what I'm saying? Cause I know spots that he be hanging out at. I started to pull up on you, I thought I'd say that's gangster. Don't do him like daddy with his old. He with Cambodia on his birthday.

[Ocho]

Yeah. I'm saying she got. She got. She got a license to carry, so you got to be careful when you do that, huh? Yeah, I'm with you. When you're right, though, I'm gonna get you right. I'm gonna square. I'm gonna square you up.

[Chad Johnson]

Y' all feel me?

[Ocho]

I'm gonna square you up, though. Real talk. Real talk. Because I didn't. I done did everything I wanted to do. The pool, the pool done. I did the inside. You know, I got. I got my dream. Not really a dream car, you know, but I. I got some that I felt I worked extremely hard for so I can enjoy myself and. And, you know, ain't nothing else I got to buy, so I'm gonna slide that to you quick in a hurry, because I don't want no problem. It's 20, 26.

[Chad Johnson]

The year just started late for that. Man, I didn't turn that slip in. I didn't turn that slip in. You know, John Wick, once they put that. Once they cash that. Hey, once they turn that chip in, ain't no Turning back, right?

[Ocho]

No.

[Chad Johnson]

Ain't nothing we could do. Shay coming. Oh, Shisty, Shisty coming. Because they wasn't supposed to get to this.

[Ocho]

You right?

[Chad Johnson]

Said he tried to handle this thing amicable behind closed door. Hey, just go ahead and break it off. You could do two, a couple installments, but you refused to do that, so he had to put that.

[Ocho]

Yeah, but hold on. I, I many times and I'm sure the people that watch the show, they have seen me many times ask you for PayPal, Apple Pay, Zell, I mean, all these different, all these different apps which would allow me to transfer that money to you expeditiously.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey.

[Ocho]

And you chose not to.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, bro. When 57 Savage come. It is what it is.

[Ocho]

57 who?

[Chad Johnson]

Savage. Hey, 57 savage roll up on you. It is what it is. Feel me?

[Ocho]

Hey, 57. Hey. I like that one. Boy, that's a good one right there. Boy, that's a good one right there. 57 Savage. Okay, I like that. Oh, Shiesty shave, right? Yeah, that's a good one, bro.

[Chad Johnson]

Indiana Hoosier blow out the Oregon Ducks by the score of 56 to 22. The Hoosier will face. Now there's only two. Indiana Hoosier will face the Miami Hurricanes for the national championship on January 19. Indiana has beaten his two playoff opponents by the combined score of 94 to 25. The blowout started early in the game. D' Angelo Pons, who came on the show earlier this year, picked off devonte Moore on the first offensive series of the game, returned at 25 yards. Oregon tied the game up. Moore showed me something because he threw a pick and then he came back and answered and then I. You went on a 35 unanswered run point run. And that was really the ball game. Just too many turnovers. Indiana's just far too good. They're very well coached. Team, offensive line, defensive line, took the ball game over. And those receivers, they don't have big names, but they catch everything. They hype everything. This was a really coach, a really, a really, really well coached football team. They're really disciplined and I know everybody's talking about the used back, but do you got the hands full, Ocho?

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Not only do they have a handful, University of Miami, what we saw from them when they played last night is they had turned, they had turnovers. And this is exact, the exact same thing I felt when it came to this game. It would come down to not only the quarterback playing Dante Moore and brother Mendoza, but it would also come down to the turnovers. And lo and behold, the first. Get the first play of the game. The goddamn outright quick out route. Mind you, he already in here in the gun. So the goddamn DB is not moving. Oh, Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

You can't hold it back.

[Ocho]

And it throws the be. He throws the latent, throws it behind.

[Chad Johnson]

You see him rotate safety. Safety shoes back. They rock. Go down to the other side. That's man free. He's off. He's clueing. He don't even get out.

[Ocho]

His back panel didn't even. He didn't even budge.

[Chad Johnson]

But get him. Did they put him in motion? What?

[Ocho]

No. Was he a slot?

[Chad Johnson]

Because if you think about. Because he. He tried to run a speed. Yeah, he tried to run a speed out.

[Ocho]

Speed out.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. The DB pawns were just. He took one step and drove. You ran out and up you had. But you ran the out and he.

[Ocho]

Yeah, it's. It's unfortunate. Carson Beck gonna have to play not. Not. Not saying play perfect.

[Chad Johnson]

He gonna have to play damn near perfect.

[Ocho]

Damn near perfect. You can't. You can't turn the ball.

[Chad Johnson]

They put so much pressure on you on both sides of the ball. Ocho, they got a front. They dominate both lines of scrimmage. And that's what. That's what the U tries to do. So it's gonna be irremovable object, irresistible force. Something's got to give.

[Ocho]

Yeah, absolutely. Hey. Hey, Unc. I remember watching Mendoza down here in Miami. God damn it. I. I remember watching Mendoza down here in Miami. Un. At Columbus High School. I didn't know Mendoza would be what he is today. I had no idea he would be this good. If you look at some of the throws he was able to make, some of the throws that. That attribute to some of the quarterbacks that let you know they're going to be good. He's throwing a goddamn comeback route off the left half to the wide side of the field. On the money. His ball placement all game long was phenomenal. On those same plays with Dante Moore threw an interception at the beginning of the game, every out route he threw, whether it was on the short side of the wide side of the field, the ball placement was perfect. Throwing receivers open even if they were covered.

[Chad Johnson]

The ball placement back, shoulders, high point. But the receivers, Ocho, you see how they high point the ball.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, but it's only where his guy can catch it. It's going to be a completion or it's going to be incomplete. He's not going to be picked. And no ball even Came close to getting picked.

[Ocho]

Hey, he was.

[Chad Johnson]

He was sensational all night long, man. I'm looking at Coach Signet on the sideline. If he. If he's like this and they're winning the ball game, I hate to see him when he gets upset.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, he don't. He don't show no kind of emotion.

[Chad Johnson]

He got his hands on his heels up with that. I'm like, are you happy?

[Ocho]

The camera pan to. Hey. The camera panned to him after a touchdown. He showed nothing. The sideline going crazy behind him. Stone cold killer face. That's it.

[Chad Johnson]

But Mendoza was very.

[Ocho]

Job is not. The job is not finished.

[Chad Johnson]

Go ahead. What you saying?

[Ocho]

No, I was, I was just saying the job is not finished. That's, that's, that's the mentality and the mindset in his body language. That's what it showed. The job's not finished. There's no reason for me to be celebrating.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah, you could, you could. You can celebrate that. I mean, you can't get to the job if you didn't finish this job. I mean, you got all that. All that means you have another task. It's kind of like when you're growing up, if you grow up in this on the farm, there's always something for you to do. You can move the animals from one pen to another. You can grind, feed. There's always something for you to do. But you must finish said task first before you move on to another task. So, right. Win the Big Ten. Okay. Get to the Big Ten championship. He won that. He won the first. You know, get a buy and then they win the next game. So now you advance to. To the Chick Fil A Peach bowl now. The ultimate. You get to play for the national championship. Something you've never won. You've never been that situation. And yeah, they're good team. He's an unbelievable. This might be. I mean, they might need to do a story because we've never seen a turnaround happen this quick. Not with a team that's been this historically bad. I mean, they've been historically bad. I'm talking about historically. Historically. I'm talking about like bad News Bears bad.

[Ocho]

Hold on. The funny thing about it, Indiana is a basketball school.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, it is.

[Ocho]

This is the basketball school. When is the last time we've seen a basketball school dominate like this? The entirety of a season.

[Chad Johnson]

No, we haven't.

[Ocho]

The entirety of a season. And beat everyone. I'm not sure if a lot of people, if they, if they were Gammas, if they were Betters. And they bet on college football. How many people had Indiana to be in this position throughout the season? How many to be able to make it, to be undefeated, to be playing in a national championship in Miami?

[Chad Johnson]

Before Peyton Manning got to Indy, they were known for basketball in the Indy 500, right? Then Peyton Manning come, and then all of a sudden they got excited about football. And he gave them a reason to be excited. Yes, but this story, IU football and to be in this position one win away from winning a national championship and had to go through the gauntlet because it's a little bit more difficult now because now you have 12 teams, you have to win multiple games in order to get to a national championship. Once you win, you know, you win your division, you go to the. Your championship and said division, you win that. And normally, up until a few years ago, you played for the national championship. You ranked one or two, you play for the national championship. It's not like that anymore. Get a buy. So you have to win three games to win a national championship. After you go through your regular season, after you get to your conference championship. Now you got to win three games in order to be. So we'll know the real it. Ain't no. Ain't no more, man. Such and such should have been in there. And if they'd have been in there, they'd have done this. Now you win three games, you the champ. Oh, yeah, you. You got.

[Ocho]

You got ample opportunity. You got ample time. You get, man, this. I'm sick of this damn camera. You got. You got ample opportunity to be able to prove yourself and your worth if you make it to the playoffs and you make it to the national championship. Hey, the fact that Mendoza gets to come back home and play in front of his home crowd, in front of the place where he's from, you know, I mean, it's going to be dope. But listen, Mendoza going to have his hands full, and the Hurricane gonna have your hands full. I know the pressure's on Carson Bain.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah, I know.

[Ocho]

I know the pressure. The pressure's on him. And all those interceptions and for one, the turnover, you can't turn the ball over. And they have to capitalize if those opportunities present themselves defensively. You got to catch some intercepts in this game.

[Chad Johnson]

Now, you can't.

[Ocho]

You. You gonna have to.

[Chad Johnson]

We saw what happened, Ocho. Mendoza put the ball on the ground twice, and they didn't get neither one of them.

[Ocho]

Neither one.

[Chad Johnson]

And they end up going, getting points out of both of them. I didn't Understand? Oregon, okay, you already backed up. You take a delay a game penalty to get backed up even further. And now they got. You let the guy come in. They only rush two guys and you let one of the guy block the punt. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what I'm saying. Hold on. You already backed up. Why would you take a delay again? This game, basically, once it was seven. Seven. That was the last time this game was interesting.

[Ocho]

I thought it was gonna be, I thought it was gonna go back and forth, huh? Especially after the interception in Oregon. And I mean, Oregon got the ball and they went right down the field, right down the field at will. I'm like, oh, okay, you know what? This is gonna be a long night and it's gonna be a scoring fest. Excuse me. Back and forth. Yeah, I was fooled. I was led, I was led astray.

[Chad Johnson]

Oregon could get any pressure on, Mendoza couldn't. He was pinpoint accurate. Surat, Becker, those guys. Cooper Jr. I mean, he was just spreading it around. You get a, hey, you get a catch, you get a catch. Hell, they bought Ponds in. Let him catch a pass. It's, hey, boy, you know, these are the both quarterbacks in this game. Mendoza is projected to be number one. More is projected to be number two.

[Ocho]

I mean, I, I can see why. Yeah, I, I, I can see why. And obviously I, I wasn't that high on Mendoza, obviously, because you, you watch, you watch Indiana play. But I didn't know he was this good. Now that the spotlight is on him, it's a pressure situation, and you have to show up when it matters most. And Unki played phenomenal. He played phenomenal. So obviously if he's going to the Raiders, based on some of the throws I saw him make tonight. Well, you put some pieces around the quarterback. I saw tonight at the next level. He gonna be all right.

[Chad Johnson]

You better put some offensive lines around.

[Ocho]

Yeah, right. Yeah, that, that, that, that's, that's part of the pieces too. The most important, the most important at that. You got to get him a receiver. Just one, just one to go with Brock Bowers. He gonna be all right.

[Chad Johnson]

So. I agree, I agree with you. Yeah. This guy. We were hoping for, what we got last night, a very interesting ball game. Excuse me. It was interesting for about seven minutes.

[Ocho]

That's about it.

[Chad Johnson]

Seven minutes. And that was it. Ocho. And it was a blowout from there. I mean, once it got to the half.

[Ocho]

It was 34, it was 35. Seven and a half. Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, Chat. I mean, it was 35, 70 half. At that point, I tweeted, you know, is it. Is it okay for me to take a nap or will Oregon have opportunity to come back? And obviously, it's college football and anything can happen. You know, momentum shifts, the pendulum shifts at some point and another team catches fire. And, you know, at no point did Oregon threat or even have a chance to actually come back in this game. And, ah, you know, it sucks. I thought it would have been similar to the situation of the game. Last night was very exciting, but hell, you didn't want to blink, you didn't want to leave your seat, even go to the bathroom because you might miss something. That's what I thought this game would be after the way it started out. Even with the interception at the beginning of the game and seeing Oregon respond and go right down the field and score, it just didn't happen. It just didn't happen. Indiana looked very good. Most of these games, especially games this magnitude, when it comes to when teams are of equal value and quality and skill, you know, the games are one in the trenches, the games are one up front. And that's exactly where Indiana dominated on both sides of the ball up front. And so it's going to be a good one. It's going to be a good challenge for the Hurricane. It's going to be a good challenge for Indiana, you know, because I think the winner of this game is going to be whoever wins the. The battle of the trenches, and also whichever quarterback makes the least amount of mistakes and that's who wins the game. I would love for. For the University of Miami to win. But I'm also cheering for, you know, Fernando Mendoza in Indiana because, you know, he is here. He's a. He's a hometown Florida kid. So I'm excited. I'm excited for the game.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I mean, watching Mendoza, probably, I've watched him a lot more down the stretch. Excuse me. As Indiana, you got closer and closer, and it looked like they were going to be on a collision course with Ohio State in the Big Ten championship. You knew they were going to get into the playoffs whether they won the Big Ten championship or not, because they had been ranked number two for such a long period of time. Excuse me. I'm sorry, Chad. I got hiccups. But with that being said, watching him, I'm like, okay, yeah, I. But watching him against Ohio State when he really needed to make throws, watching him hadn't just blitzed Alabama. How they just blitzed Oregon.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

The Canes better be on their best behavior. Ocho yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh, this kid, this kid is on.

[Chad Johnson]

A Joe Burrow type run. You remember what Joe Burrow did now?

[Ocho]

I like, I like the comparison. I, I, I like the comparison. Obviously that 2019 Joe Burrow was elite based on the numbers he put up that season. Going to the natty, winning the natty. But the numbers he put up was unbelievable. So you understood when it, it's certain times you can look at a quarterback in college young and you can tell if what he does in college you're going to be able to translate to the NFL. And you knew watching Joe Burrow, no matter where he went, as bad as the Bengals might have been, he gonna have success wherever he goes.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, you look at what he got. And they got one of his receivers that he had in college. They got Chase to join it. Yes. You look at chase had like 20 touchdowns. Jefferson had like 17 touchdowns. They had Marshall, they had Thaddeus Moss, they had Clyde. That was hilarious. Had the best offensive line in football. They had a defense with Queen and Stingley Jr. And all those guys. From a talent standpoint, IU doesn't have that now.

[Ocho]

No.

[Chad Johnson]

Do I think IU is if maybe have the coaching advantage? Yeah, yeah. I like Ed Oregon orgion. I like him. But Signet is upper level. You can make a case that he and Kirby Smart. Kirby Smart and he are the best two coaches in, in college football. Ryan Day is in that. But to do that, what he's done with that team, I mean, look, going to Ohio State and taking over that. Come on, you're gonna get luch up guys going over to Georgia, taking over that you're gonna get guys go take over Alabama or something. You go, bro, that's Indian. That's iu.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Is it safe to say coaching Yeti's done, he's done more with less?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, for sure.

[Ocho]

In a sense. Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

I think they going there.

[Ocho]

That's dope.

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[Chad Johnson]

Ocho John Harbaugh contract demand for the next team this is.

[Ocho]

Well, wait, wait, wait, wait. That, that's news to me. A coach can have demands.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean a lot of times they do have demands. A lot, A lot of times they don't become public, but they have demands. Oh shit. According to ESPN's Cleveland Tony Grassi, the full list of demands are 20 mil per year, a 10 million staff budget, total authority over the roster, and would like to select his own gm.

[Ocho]

That's not a bad thing, especially for somebody like Harbaugh that knows what he's going to need. If I'm going to Cleveland, I know what I need in this room to be able to succeed. I know what I need in this room to be able to compete in the AFC north, let alone compete week in and week out in the NFL.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't.

[Ocho]

I'm a Super bowl winning coach and these are the things I need to have a competent team and also get me a quarterback to be able to compete. Something you guys have not been able to do for umpteen years.

[Chad Johnson]

I think if I'm not mistaken, only andy Reid makes 20 million a year, right? What? Six Super bowl appearances, three wins, six. Seven straight AFC championship games. We understand why he's making that kind of money. We'll see teams that are desperate. He has a proven commodity. He's done a great job. But like I said, you see, you see what he wants. He wants control over the, the. This is why Jerry's never going to get a coach. I mean, I think Shoddy is doing a great job. Now if they can build that defense, Cuz shot can call plays. Dak loves him. Offense loves him. Very friendly. But you're not getting a coach like this to coach in Dallas because you got no say. All you do is have that title. I'm the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Jerry's going to put who he wants on that team. Jerry's going to draft who he wants. You're not going to have any say. So he says, I want total. He said, he didn't say some like to have some input. He says total authority over the final 53.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I think they're gonna give it to him because it's almost in a situation where the Cleveland Browns are not only desperate for a head coach that wants to turn the culture around in general, but it takes you back to the situation with deshaun Watson, where they were desperate to have a quarterback who had done what he had done previously with the Houston Texans. Oh, you mean to tell me we get to get this in our building? Well, you know what we're going to do? We're going to throw everything in the kitchen sink at him and hoping we get just that. Now we know things didn't pan out, things didn't work out the way, you know, we thought they would have. I'm sure the Browns would have liked to. I'm sure DeSean Watson would have liked it to work out, too. That same way. Now you have opportunity with John Harbaugh to get a winning coach, one that needs full control because he understands what he needs as a team to be able to play.

[Chad Johnson]

So it's going to be. I think the Giants is the best situation because they have the most stable quarterback situation. They have a defense. You know, you got a Brian Burns, you got a Dexter Lawrence, you just took Abdul Carter with the third pick in the draft. You probably need, you know, some corners. You definitely, you know, build that offensive lineup. But I don't think they're going to stand patted receiver either. Ocha. I thought Rondell Robinson had a great, great year.

[Ocho]

Hey, he did. He showed he can play.

[Chad Johnson]

But I think they're going to probably go get, try to get, try to beef up that position. Look, I agree with you. I think somebody's going to give him back. I think it's going to be the Giants. Yeah, because you want, first of all, it ain't that much. I mean, because the, what you call them, the Ravens on the hook for like 13, 14 of it. So you just gotta add six to the pot.

[Ocho]

That's it. You good, you good to go.

[Chad Johnson]

You just gotta, just gotta add six to the pot. How was this contract extension that he signed this March? Because he had just signed an extension on you, I think a three year extension. Right. So. But I've said it once, I'll say it again, and hopefully it's the last time I have to say it. On the hook for 34 million, Ocho. So that may say he making 17. You ain't got to pitch in with three.

[Ocho]

Yeah, that's not. That's a nice little chunk of change.

[Chad Johnson]

Right. He gonna want a five year deal. 20, 63, 66 million. Because the three. Because y', all, y' all doing it three. The first two years, and then I'm gonna need that 20. The next three. 10 million dollar staff budget. Cause you're gonna have to pay an offense and defensive coordinator. Real, you know, a million. Million five.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Depending on who you get as a coordinator, you might have to go all the way up to 2. But as I was saying, I think John Harbaugh is a very good coach. I just think that the players need to hear another voice in that locker room. I think his message need to be conveyed to another group of ears in a locker room. Right. It happens sometimes. It happens.

[Ocho]

Yeah, bro.

[Chad Johnson]

Think about the Patriots moved on from Coach belichick.

[Ocho]

Yeah. After 20.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Nobody in the history of the game has had a stretch of success like the patriots had from 2001 until 2019. Nobody. Yeah, nobody. If Mr. Kraft don't win another game, he should be able to say, you know what? Hey, I don't even. I don't care nothing about winning no more. I'm good. Because he bought the team. They went to the Super bowl in 2000. In 96, they lost to the packers, but they went like 2. A couple of years after he purchased the team. How many divisions? Consecutive times they won the division. Like 13, 14, 15 times they won the division. Multiple nine times they gone to the end of the. Going to the super bowl, man. Sometimes it just. You just need a. You just need a different voice. I need a new voice. Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I.

[Chad Johnson]

Now, all of a sudden, what? Mike Preston, everybody. Well, we don't believe. We don't like Mike Preston. He don't have no credibility. Now all of a sudden, that thing look very prophetic.

[Ocho]

Yeah, absolutely. But people have.

[Chad Johnson]

They don't understand.

[Ocho]

They have to. They have to put their fandom aside. They have to put their fandom aside and say, you know what? We don't like this individual that writes for this specific news outlet because X, Y, and Z was said in the past or X. Anytime something that is written by reporters that are not inside that building is coming from inside the building, people need to. Need to understand that.

[Chad Johnson]

Always.

[Ocho]

It always happens like this. So anytime you see things written like this and the first thing you say, oh, who is he? He's not credible. Yes, he is. That stuff is purposely leaked, and it's always the start of small. A small fire. And that's that small fire. At some point, it turned into, if.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't like you, oo you could give me the winning numbers to the lottery, and I wouldn't do it. If I love you, you tell me if you go outside, you're gonna get hit by back truck. I'm going outside. We see that today with the man at the very top in this democracy.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't know how much longer it's gonna be a democracy, but it is currently. You see, it doesn't matter what he says. It doesn't matter what he does. They love him.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

It doesn't matter. You.

[Ocho]

I.

[Chad Johnson]

So because they didn't like Mike Preston, they automatically disregarded it. I be damn.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Todd monkey said he and Lamar didn't have the best relationship, if I'm not mistaken. Didn't Mike speak to that?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

What normally happens is that the offensive coordinator is the buffer between the player and the head coach. It's not normally the other way with a head coach is the buffer between player and offensive coordinator. It was a situation. I lived it in Denver. Mike shanahan was the offensive coordinator. Coach reeds was the head coach. John Elway was the quarterback. Well, he say he don't like that. He said, well, this is what we want to do. Well, he said he don't want to run. That don't. See, you got to have a goal between.

[Ocho]

Yeah, that ain't gonna work.

[Chad Johnson]

Huh? Not. Not for long.

[Ocho]

That a.

[Chad Johnson]

Because you're gonna have to remove one.

[Ocho]

Of them, and it definitely ain't gonna be a player. Not a player that magnitude.

[Chad Johnson]

No, they was. They. They thought about trading. They thought about trading John. They were gonna trade him to Washington. Yeah. That's when. That's when Mr. B's like, I'm done with this.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

Put a stop of that. But I think harms would be great in Washington. Look, I mean, excuse me. In. In New York. Now, New York, that's not to stop other teams. But he knows in order to win, you've got to have a quarterback. You're not going to win a super bowl like you did before, where you get flacco. He gets hot down the stretch, and he played great for four or five games, and then you have an outstanding defense to back him up. That's over. You're not winning like that. You need that guy.

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[Chad Johnson]

The Raven announced today that they have completed an interview with Kevin Stefanski for the head coach position. Ocho, could you see Stefanski and Lamar being a good fit?

[Ocho]

Mm. I mean, obviously what happened was Stefanski in Cleveland. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but I'm able to, to, to compartmentalize in a sense and seeing him over there, you know, in, in, in Baltimore with Lamar and, and knowing that Stefan is, is, he's an offensive mind. Right. If I'm not mistaken, he's, listen, he's offensive mind. So I'm not sure how that, that, that process would work. I know some of the games they was able to play with with Shador and in that environment, he won't be able to play those same games. With Lamar over, over in Baltimore, I think he could have some success again doing, doing what he does in Baltimore. I still just don't see, I think more so, I think Lamar in that offense will be okay and will be fine. Once Lamar is back healthy, I think there still will be issues even if Stefanski is the head coach, when the issues on the defense haven't exactly. Yeah, the issues on the defense aren't, aren't addressed. It's still going to be the same thing. I look everything.

[Chad Johnson]

First of all, for me, if I'm Brian Flores, that's a lateral move. Why would I go be the defensive coordinator somewhere else? Go to Dallas, go to Baltimore. I'm still a defensive coordinator. I want to be a head coach. I'm not interested in doing anything lateral. I'm trying to go up. I ain't trying to go like this, Ocho. So they probably going to interview Brian Flores, but you got to get, look, you got Lamar Jackson, you've got, you can hire a defensive minded coach as long as you have a great play caller. You see Seattle McDonald and then he has Clint Kubiak. Yes, you can be that. Everybody. Look, first of all, everybody ain't gonna be Sean McVeigh. Everybody gonna be Kyle Shanahan. Everybody can't be Andy Reid. That's a lot, right, to be the head coach. I, I oversee everything and I call plays.

[Ocho]

Call the plays.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you know, shoddy Brian Schottenheimer, he does that. But most of the time, you know, hey, I delegate it. Hey, you see Nick Ceriani, you see Dan Quinn, you see a lot of these coaches. Hey, I'm a delegate. Hey, you do your, you do that and make sure everything's okay. But to delegate and to be able to call play, that's a huge, huge responsibility. A responsibility. Look, they gonna look at now if I'm. Then I'm looking at a Cliff Kingsbury, But Cliff doesn't run a run to football enough. I think that's what him and Dan Quinn's. But, but it heads about.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

You can't, hey, you can't keep exposing your quarterback like that.

[Ocho]

Like that. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You got Derrick Henry.

[Ocho]

He called. He, yeah, he calls him. He calls him to get him.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. And I think that, and also, you know, when. Now everybody will have this kind of, this luxury. But coach. But John Harbaugh had been there so long, he didn't have no intermediary. He only talked directly to Steve Machadi.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

So everybody don't have that. Andy, Andy probably got it like that. Sean probably got it like that.

[Ocho]

Yeah, those, those coaches.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Have it like that.

[Chad Johnson]

But the thing is with it don't matter who you get to call defensive play. They got to get better players on the Ravens defense. That defensive line got to get better. They got to get better Ocho linebackers, the corner. We went through the stats. They didn't generate pressure. The back end can no longer hold up like they once could. And it's, it's shooting fish in a barrel. I get it. Because a lot of times, and we've seen this before, is that when you have a guy like Lamar, you forget you got Derrick Henry behind him. Okay. Lamar's okay. Lamar just wants to win.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And in a given game, Derrick Henry presents the best opportunity for us to win. Y' all think Lamar gonna be upset about his stats?

[Ocho]

Absolutely not.

[Chad Johnson]

Go back and look at the first football that we won. Look at John stats. Maybe 150 yards in a pick. You win that one game, it changed the way people perceive you whether you play good, bad or indifferent. Go back and look at Tom Brady's first game in the Super Bowl.

[Ocho]

Well, that was all defense, huh? That was all defense.

[Chad Johnson]

I think the thing I, I, I look, they've got to get somebody that knows how to coach an offense that Lamar can succeed in, that he got Derek Henry behind him. Right. I thought Todd Monkey did a great job of coordinating this thing. I mean, think about it. Derek Henry gets there his first year. He goes over 1900 yards, almost what, 17, 18 touchdowns. Followed it up with another, almost 1600 yards, another 14, 16 touchdowns. Lamar goes MVP, 41 and four gets nicked this year. I think that had a lot to do with It. And when he came back, he wasn't himself. And so. But their problem was they couldn't finish. They get leads. They just couldn't close the deal. Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And so, you know, Steve was like, you know what? And I know, you know, look, it's reported that the front office like, nah, Steve. But Steve like, no. And once you make up your mind, that's the direction that you want to go in. You want to move in another direction.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You don't. You don't. You don't become as wealthy as these men are with being indecisive.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You make a decision, and you live with said decision. It's of the utmost that they get better players for the defense. They got to get a right guard. They've got to get a right guard. He's just. I mean. Oh, Man, he.

[Ocho]

Listen, he had a decent. He had a decent game the last game of the season.

[Chad Johnson]

No, he didn't. Ocho, did you not see this? He thought he was a cross guard. He directed an elementary school.

[Ocho]

Oh, we. We standing there, no man's land, looking for. Like this.

[Chad Johnson]

Both of them go past like this. And it. I mean, but think about it. Oo. If. If. If the. And the. The problem that they had is when Lamar went down, they put Cooper Rush in. Cooper Rush is athletic, so he can't get out of harm's way like Huntley. He can't get out of harm's way like Lamar. And you see what happened. But they got. They got to fix this thing. Steve is. And. And. And. And Harb should have known, bro. Defense, bro, that's the foundation of the Ravens always. That's the foundation. Yeah. You can score all the points you want. As great as Tom Brady was that defense, look at his defenses that he had. Those were top 10 defenses. Keep him in the ball game. Okay? Tom win it at the end. He never let. For the most. Tom never let those defenses, never let the game get out of hand. Think about it. When they was down 28 to 3, how many points did Atlanta score in the second half? None. They had 28 at the half. And guess what they had at the end of the game? 28.

[Ocho]

That same exact 28.

[Chad Johnson]

So you look at the greatest show on turf. They scored 17 points, the Rams, that year. They was going up and down the field on everybody. Three points. It's going to be very important they get somebody that can coach Lamar. Lamar. And put him in the best situation so they succeed. That's of the utmost. But everybody's gonna come in and say, oh, yeah, I got this great scheme. Oh, Lamar is gonna be yada, yada, everybody. Oh, so, you know, I use. I'm trying to sell myself. I'm on a job interview. Yeah. Oh, I'm more than qualified. I got five degrees.

[Ocho]

Yep. Putting your best foot forward.

[Chad Johnson]

No, I don't think. I don't. I don't think Stefanski is the right fit for Baltimore. I could be wrong. I don't think he's the right fit. Obviously, he knows that division have. Having coached in that division, what, six, seven years. He knows the division, knows the personnel in Cleveland. But I don't think that's a. I don't think that's. I don't think that's a good fit. Me, personally.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

But Ocho, they got to get defense. They got to get defensive help. That's what they need, Ocho, they need.

[Ocho]

That bad big time.

[Chad Johnson]

They're gonna be some changes. They're gonna be some. Some players that's been lifelong Ravens, and I'm not so sure that they're gonna be. They're gonna be. They're gonna be there or be there at a lesser role, but they need pass rushes, Ocho. They need pass rushes in the absolute worst way.

[Ocho]

Oh, God, no.

[Chad Johnson]

No. Oh, you got me sick. I believe so.

[Ocho]

Well, you got. Yeah, okay. Oh, you got a cold?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. I think George or somebody got me sick.

[Ocho]

Oh, man.

[Chad Johnson]

But we'll see how it plays out. I mean, I. I think they're going to. Look, they got time. I mean, you know, who's in a rush to hire somebody? I mean, you just probably let the best coach that's on the market. You let him go.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

So like I said, I think they'll. They'll bring Brian Flores in. I'm trying to think who else. Who else got let go? Maybe they're bringing Cliff Kingsbury in. Cliff normally works really good with young quarterbacks. You see what he had Kyler. Kyler was rookie of the year. He had Jane Daniels. Jane Daniels, rookie of the year. I don't know how he does with a veteran quarterback, but. Hey, but you got. But he just doesn't run the ball enough. I think that's what rubbed Dan Quinn the wrong way. He put so much pressure on the quarterback, and you have a tendency to do that when you have such an elite level at that. But look at Josh Allen turn around, hand to James Cook. Look what Saquon. Saquon did for the. The Eagles last year.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And even Christian McCaffrey. They'll hand it to him, they'll throw it to him. A lot of those passes. It's not like McCaffrey's catching ball 30 yards down the field. He's catching Texas routes. He's catching flat routes, catching screens, catching. Give it to him. Let him lighten the load on the quarterback. Ocho. With the Seahawks locking up the number one seed, let's compare Sam Donald's stats year over year. In 2024, he was 14 3. In 2025, he's 14. 3 with the. The Vikings. He had 4, 319 pass yards with the Seahawks. He had 4,048 pass yards. He had 35 passing touchdowns with the bikes, 25 with the Seahawks. 12 interceptions with the bikes, 14 with the Seahawks. Had a passer rating of 102.5 with the bikes, 99.1 with the Seahawks. Clearly, how much do you think the Bikes are regretting letting him get out the building for the little bit of money? And we, we say little bit of money. It's not that 40, 50, 55, $60 million that the. The top tier. They probably could have had it for 30 plus incentives.

[Ocho]

Well, they got to be pissed, huh? They got to be pissed. And obviously, I think, you know, because they picked JJ. JJ McCarthy, he was hurt his rookie year. We. We have no choice but to test our hand on who we drafted. Let's see if he's the answer. Let's see what he has. You know, and Obviously she and JJ McCarthy, when he was at. When he was at Michigan, they ran the ball most of the time. They were a running team. They were a running team. And so now you're getting the product of what you drafted and hoping it would be better than what you already had. And you let get outside the door. Sam dawn had already proved himself what he could do with the weapons you had around him. And then not only that, he leaves, he goes to Seattle and picks right up where he left off at, and that's.

[Chad Johnson]

That.

[Ocho]

That alone tells you everything you need to know.

[Chad Johnson]

I would have. I would have read, I would have let it run because you got great. You got great reference. Green Bay.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

When they had Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, SOP for a couple of years. Green Bay. Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love sought for a couple years.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson]

I'd ran it back at least one more shoot.

[Ocho]

One shoot. I would have ran it back.

[Chad Johnson]

But I'm saying, yeah, you can do the car, but I'm just saying I run it back. I run it back at least at the bare minimum motion. You Got to bring him back after the season that he had. You let a guy that won 14 games through 35 touchdowns, 4, 300 yards, and you let him walk out the door, and you don't get nothing for it.

[Ocho]

You know what, In. In comparison to. To Sam Donald's numbers that year with the vikings, what were JJ McCarthy's numbers this year with the Vikings?

[Chad Johnson]

He was hurt most of the time.

[Ocho]

I know it was. No, not even close.

[Chad Johnson]

No. Yeah. Hell, he might not. He might not even throw for 10 touchdowns this year.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Chad Johnson]

Any and hurt. Remember, he missed his whole first year. He. And then he had a hamstring issue, then he hurt his hand. So.

[Ocho]

Yeah, it's unlucky.

[Chad Johnson]

And, and, and, and there's a good chance. I don't know how certain they are that he's the guy. Are you. Are. Are they certain that say that J.J. mcCarthy is the guy?

[Ocho]

Listen, he has three. Most of the time they give you three years.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

That third year.

[Chad Johnson]

Because you got to make a decision.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Normally that's when they come. Now that's when they come back to you. And, and when you, the guy, you look at Josh Allen, you look at my homeboy, and that's when they come into it, said, okay, well, he got one more year.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he got one more. He got one more year under his belt to prove himself. Are you the future? If not you. You know how you know the NFL? Not for long, especially for that quarterback position, because every team understands unless I have one, I have no chance.

[Chad Johnson]

And Daniel Jones, remember, they had Daniel Jones there.

[Ocho]

Oh, that's right. That's right. I forgot he had a little stint there. Hey, that. And that comes down to situations matter. The situations matter. You was in New York and you. You had flashes. You had flashes, but not the consistency we saw when you went to goddamn Indy.

[Chad Johnson]

Nope.

[Ocho]

Right turn that.

[Chad Johnson]

Damn organizations matter. Coaching matters.

[Ocho]

That. Yeah. Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

And, you know, you hear all the great players, you hear Montana, you hear Aikman, and you hear guys that. That played that level, played that position at an elite level. They talk about how coaching matters. It talks about how organization matters. Troy. Troy is still upset that Jerry got rid of Jimmy. Oh, yeah, he says. I don't know. He said we might have not won any. We might have won two or three. We might have not won none. He said, but I just know we'd won. We'd have won a bunch of games because Jimmy knows how to coach, and Jimmy knows how to put a team together. That's what Jimmy knows how to do. He can do that right. But Sam Darnold has looked, look 14 and 3. There ain't been a whole lot of guys. There's never been a guy that won 14 games with one team and then next year leaves, goes and does 14 wins with another team. That's never happened. Because normally when a guy wins 14 games, he ain't leaving.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah? Absolutely not.

[Chad Johnson]

But hey, it is what it is. The Seahawks reportedly sent out a warning to season ticket holders that selling playoff tickets may impact their ability to release renew season tickets for next season playoff tickets resale notice. Our records indicate that your seat for the upcoming divisional route of the playoffs are currently posted for resale as communicated Prior to the 2025 season. 2026. Renewal eligibility may be impacted if it is determined that sees your season tickets, including any playoff games, were used primarily for resale purposes. To avoid any impact to your renewal eligibility, we ask that you remove your resale listing and ensure your tickets are used by another 12, meaning 12th man, another Seahawk fan. We encourage you to distribute your tickets directly to friends, family members, neighbors or community groups. That will help us pack Lumen and feel with blue and green.

[Ocho]

Don't try. Don't try to make no extra buck off of us now. If you're gonna support, support all the way. Don't try to make no money because.

[Chad Johnson]

A lot of times you know what they do. I said, look, the Cowboys coming. What I sell these Cowboys tickets for, I'll be able to buy the whole season. Oh, just the playoffs. What I. I'll be able to say the whole season.

[Ocho]

Hey, listen, they. They thinking just like owners think they think. It's just like owners think that. Bottom line, how can I maximize my earning potential with these tickets? Well, hell, I ain't got to go to the game, but I can set myself up for future games next.

[Chad Johnson]

Thank you.

[Ocho]

Come on now.

[Chad Johnson]

That's what they're thinking. But you know, the fine princess we we get to determine we can at any point in time revoke that. We see you put these tickets up. That's why you're responsible for anybody that's in your seat. He, the guy, he or she misbehaved, they throw beer, they hurl racial slurs or whatever the case may be.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. You're responsible for whomever then that seat.

[Ocho]

Right. You think the Seahawks would do that though, to the. To those who are season ticket old seating ticket holders?

[Chad Johnson]

I think the thing is they're trying to scare them. They don't want to do that.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, right.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And I don't really see him enforcing that. I think scare them. Yes. Actually enforcing it. If you resell your tickets to someone else, that. That's tough.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I don't want to do it, Ocho, because I don't know if. I don't know what this. What their wait list is. Their wait list is not like Green Bay, Washington, the Broncos, teams like that, that got 30, 40 year waiting list to get on this, you know? Right. And a lot of when you're in those cities, they pass those things down to the family. Through the family. So. Right.

[Ocho]

But you know what? Right. Right now, the funny thing about it is when you're winning those waiting lists along.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Ocho]

So right now with the way they're playing in Seattle with Sam Darnold, jsn having the year he did with that defense that they have. Oh, it's people in line waiting people.

[Chad Johnson]

About how they know. You do realize they know who sits in what seats. So when they go check and they like, okay, these seats. Oh, these seats belong to such. Yeah, they know.

[Ocho]

Everything is well documented. You know, it's well documented, especially if you're a season ticket holder. All the information that you fill out, Ocho. Oh, they know who you are. They know.

[Chad Johnson]

Don't you know? They know where the seats are. Who, what season ticket holder sitting in what seats. So all they got to do. Okay, section 104, seats 3 and 4, section C. Section right. For sale. Section 104 C. 3 and 4, section C. Oh, you got the tickets for sale.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Oh, that's. That's Thomas. That's Thomas. Oh, they trying. Oh, they trying to reset.

[Chad Johnson]

Thank you.

[Ocho]

Okay. Okay. I see what. I see what type of time y'. All.

[Chad Johnson]

That's why the NFL, that's why the tickets are so high for the Super Bowl. The NFL saw how much people was willing to pay for resale super bowl tickets. They say if you're willing to pay that, we'll just go ahead and snap that be on you right now. Then, since you like, since you will pay it, we'll go ahead and hit you over the head for 5K. We'll go ahead and hit you over the head for 10k, 15k. Since you're willing to pay it on the black market.

[Ocho]

Might as well pay it up.

[Chad Johnson]

There you go. There you go. It's just like anything, Ocho. You get an apartment, you can't sublease it. No, bro.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

A lot of times you can't have other people over there without clearing it through the leasing agency.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson]

They don't want. They don't want no. They don't want no issues. So, Seahawks fans, be careful.

[Ocho]

Careful.

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