Nightcap Hour 1: George Pickens BIG PAYDAY is COMING + Unc & Ocho BAFFLED by Ja’Marr Chase APPEALING SUSPENSION + Shedeur Sanders Likely TO START

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1: George Pickens BIG PAYDAY is COMING + Unc & Ocho BAFFLED by Ja’Marr Chase APPEALING SUSPENSION + Shedeur Sanders Likely TO START
Date: November 18, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe
Co-Host: Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson

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Main Theme

This episode dives into the latest NFL talking points: George Pickens’ rise with the Dallas Cowboys and his impending mega-contract, the surprising discipline of two star Cowboys receivers, Ja’Marr Chase’s contested suspension and appeal, the ongoing woes of the Las Vegas Raiders, and Shedeur Sanders being named starting QB for the Browns. Throughout, Shannon (“Unc”) and Ocho deliver insightful analysis, playful banter, and sharp commentary on team management, player legacies, discipline, and the realities of football stardom.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Cowboys vs. Raiders Recap (03:00–09:39)

• Cowboys beat the Raiders 33-16:

  • Shannon: “Dak was sensational tonight. 25 of 33, 268, four touchdowns, zero interceptions...”
  • Ocho: “Man, they look good, huh?”

• Star Receivers Benched (Pickens & CeeDee Lamb):

  • Both sat out the opening series for violating team rules, sparking a discussion on discipline and professionalism.

• George Pickens’ Breakout Performance:

  • “George Pickens led the charge, nine carries for a buck 44 and a touchdown. … He’s been everything the Cowboys could have hoped for and more.” (20:26)

• Las Vegas Raiders’ Deep Issues:

  • Both hosts agree the Raiders are missing core pieces across the field.
  • Shannon: “If I’m Max Crosby, I want to get out. … The Raiders are so bad. They need so many things. They need an offensive line, they need a defensive line.”

Notable Analysis

• Pickens’ talent can’t overcome a team in disrepair; he’s not "transformational" like Adrian Peterson or Barry Sanders.
• Ocho: “He’s good… he’s just not them, and he’s not good enough to overcome how bad the Raiders are.” (08:16)

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2. George Pickens’ Big Payday: Legacy vs. Money (21:31–37:59)

• Contract Year and Branding:

  • Ocho: “Pickens is behind the eight ball when it comes to getting paid. … All his counterparts have gotten paid already.” (30:30)
  • Shannon: “His legacy is what he leaves for his family, not what he did in Dallas.” (32:16)

• On the Value of “Legacy”:

  • Shannon: “My kids can’t eat that [NFL legacy]. They can’t go to private school on what I did in the NFL. My legacy is what I’ve done for the name on the back.” (32:26)
  • Ocho: “It ain’t even Sunday, but you preaching. … You spitting that hot fire!” (33:00)

• Pay vs. Staying with Cowboys:

  • Ocho: “If there’s a team that’s going to give him true value … it should be superior, top, number one money. I just don’t think he can get that at the Dallas Cowboys.” (37:18)
  • Shannon: “If the numbers are close … I would stay with Dallas because I’m gonna save it in state tax.” (37:18)

Quotes

• “Be on your best behavior. Don’t give him any money back. Get all the money you can, because … everybody ain’t gonna be Tom Brady or Tony Romo. The money you make in that period … that’s what’s going to have to sustain you.” – Shannon (34:07)

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3. Team Discipline & Changing Culture (26:37–29:37)

• Star Receivers Benched:

  • Shannon: “I don't really think it’s asking too much at your job, right, to be on time. … Maybe I’m just old school and I'm asking a bit too much of the players to be pros.” (27:17)

• Modern NFL discipline is more public & less tolerated; coaches now enforcing consequences for lateness or other infractions.

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4. Cowboys Upcoming Schedule & Playoff Picture (38:22–45:44)

• Next Five Games:

  • Eagles, Chiefs, Lions, Vikings, Chargers—most at home, but “now the Cowboys look good today ... but they weren’t playing a competent team.” (39:38)
  • Ocho warns that the real test starts now.

• NFC Playoff Picture:

  • Currently, Eagles top seed; Cowboys just outside looking in.
  • Shannon: “Now you play your way into the playoffs.” (45:44)

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5. Ja’Marr Chase Suspension & Appeal (45:46–50:49)

• The Incident:

  • Suspended 1 game (losing ~$500K) for allegedly spitting on Jalen Ramsey’s jersey; Chase claims he would have spit in Ramsey’s face if it was intentional.
  • Shannon: “C’mon, Chase… you said you didn’t spit… but you did spit on the man, and it’s gonna cost you.” (46:43)

• Character Reflection:

  • Both hosts are shocked, given Chase’s typically laid-back, no-drama persona.
  • Ocho: “When you think of a hypothetical … it wouldn’t come from him… the problem he causes is on the field, that’s it.” (49:01)
  • Shannon notes the importance of “changed behavior” and believes this won’t define Chase.

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6. Shedeur Sanders Named Browns Starting QB (58:40–65:57)

• The Opportunity:

  • Sanders will be the 42nd starting Browns QB since 1999 due to Dylan Gabriel’s concussion.
  • Ocho: “The only way to develop is to get the reps … That’s how you make sure you’re ready just in case something happens to your number one quarterback.” (59:50)

• Backup QB Preparation Debate:

  • Shannon and Ocho stress the importance of backups getting real reps, not just scout team; otherwise, “you’re just not ready.”
  • Shannon: “Tom Moore said Peyton Manning took all the reps. Ain’t nobody get no reps when Peyton Manning got hurt … [then] everybody got fired.” (62:35)

• Fan Reaction to QBs:

  • Ocho: “Fans in Cleveland have had to deal with quarterback woes for who knows how long … they don’t care that it makes you uncomfortable.” (77:32)

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7. Player Homes Burglarized During Games (65:57–69:09)

• Shedeur Sanders’ house was burglarized while he was playing.

  • Opens up on how athletes' security is violated and possessions with sentimental value can be lost.
  • Shannon: “It’s an ultimate violation… the freedom and the independence you thought you had… it’s never gonna be the same.” (68:52)

• Ocho’s Approach:

  • Ocho: “What have I always preached… Ain’t nothing I’m wearing …real. So what you coming to my house for?” (68:03)

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8. Off-Field Banter, Watches, & Legacy (69:09–76:23)

• Engaging segment where Shannon and Ocho reminisce about watches, gifts, and lending money.

• “You keep pressing me about this money … I was trying to make it a Christmas gift!” – Ocho (72:38)

• Shannon: “The only thing is, Ocho, is that He wake me up every day. He gives me life. I got breath in my lungs.” (74:25)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Team Building:

  • “When you need multiple things... they needed too much to spend that pick on [a running back].” – Shannon (08:41)

• On Athletics and Preparation:

  • “The only way to develop is to get the reps … You need to develop in just-in-case scenarios with those you’re going to play with on Sundays.” – Ocho (59:50)

• On NFL Legacies and Money:

  • “My kids can’t eat that [NFL legacy]. … My legacy is what I’ve done for the name on the back.” – Shannon (32:26)

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Important Timestamps

• 03:00–09:39 – Cowboys/Raiders recap & team analysis
• 14:10–17:45 – Pickens’ impact, Raiders’ defensive woes
• 21:31–37:59 – Pickens’ contract and legacy debate
• 26:37–29:37 – Discussion on team discipline
• 38:22–45:44 – Cowboys’ playoff outlook
• 45:46–50:49 – Ja’Marr Chase suspension segment
• 58:40–65:57 – Shedeur Sanders & backup QB debate
• 65:57–69:09 – Athlete’s homes & personal security
• 72:38–76:23 – Playful banter on gifts and money

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Tone & Style

As always, Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson keep the mood lively, candid, and insightful. Their analysis merges veteran football wisdom with real talk about life, money, and legacy, all spiked with humor and camaraderie. For anyone interested in football culture—on and off the field—this episode is both informative and highly entertaining.

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[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Ashton Genti was, Is a good player.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But he's not the sixth pick in the draft because you got too many more. You, you take that guy, right? You got everything you need. But if you got everything you need, guess what, Ocho, you're not picking six in the draft, Right? He's not Ladanian Tomlinson. He's not Adrian Peterson.

[A]

Yes, sir.

[B]

But you rewarded him as if he was one of those transformational running backs. He's not.

[A]

I mean, I mean, when you watch him play, when you watch him play in college, obviously what he was able to do at Boise.

[B]

Boise State.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. At, at Boise State. It was, it was phenomenal. He had a phenomenal season. But then you take into account, you.

[B]

Know, when he stepped up in competition. Yep.

[A]

Yeah, I hate saying that. I hate saying that. But you have to take that into account and, and what he was able to do against them, I think he played. He played against Penn State, and he, you know, he did fairly well, but it's much different. As opposed to coming into the NFL and using that as an assessment and him being able to have success at this level, especially when you go to a team that is. That is as bad as the Raiders are, you have to be that much more special as a running back. You have to be one of those. One of those generational talents.

[B]

You need to be Barry Sanders.

[A]

There you go. To be able to. To be able to overshadow how bad they are.

[B]

He's not Barry Sanders. He's not Ladanian. He's not a. He's not a Peterson. He's not that. He's not Saquan. He's not one of those transformational backs. OO Go ahead. O. Go ahead.

[A]

He's good.

[B]

Yeah, he's good.

[A]

Good. He's not. He's just not. He's just not them, and he's not good enough to overcome how bad the Raiders are. Let's. Thank you.

[B]

And when you need multiple things, you. Hey, hey, Ocho. I got a house, you know, and the house ain't that 50. I don't need to spend 35, 000 on the couch, right? I ain't got no refrigerator. I ain't got no microwave. I ain't got no stove. I ain't got no bedroom furniture, ain't got no living room furniture. I just got a 35, 000 couch, ain't got no TVs.

[A]

I.

[B]

They needed too much, right, to spend that pick on that guy. You needed a quarterback, to be honest with you.

[A]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. No, hey, listen. They got a quarterback, they just ain't got nothing. They ain't got much to work with. You hear me?

[B]

Who got a quarterback?

[A]

Who? The Raiders, man.

[B]

Stop it, Ocho.

[A]

Okay, Anyway, listen, another thing. For better context, for better context for those that are watching, I want to think about Adrian Peterson. Once you think about Adrian Peterson when he was with the Minnesota Vikings.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

They didn't have much.

[B]

No, but he ain't Peterson, though.

[A]

I know. I'm just giving people context.

[B]

Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I see what you're saying. Yeah, okay. I see what you're saying.

[A]

To be able to affect the Raiders and. And have them going in a positive light despite them having so many missing pieces, to be able to make a difference, you would have to be like Adrian Peterson. Yes, but. But he just. Not that very, very good player. No disrespect to Young Bull, but he just. It's just.

[B]

Let me ask you a question. You think the Raiders are going to go in the draft this year and get a quarterback?

[A]

Yeah. I mean. What you think? I'm not sure.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely.

[A]

Okay.

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[B]

But like, but they probably would have screwed him up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But the Raiders need, they need a lot of the. The defense with the exception of Crosby.

[A]

Yes sir.

[B]

Ocho, you need, you need corners, you need safety, you need linebackers. You, you need a lot of stuff. 36 was playing scared. Oh, you see him up there? Like oh, oh, oh man. This is George Pickens. Damn. What am I going to do if you catch this ball? How in the hell am I going to get him on the ground? Oh goodness. Lord have mercy. Hey, why did y' all call this coverage. That's going to make me cover George Pickens.

[A]

Well, you play for the Raiders. You play for the Raiders.

[B]

Unk.

[A]

A blind man knows when you play for the Raiders. What coverage are you playing?

[B]

You playing man coverage. You playing man coverage. For sure.

[A]

Playing man. You understand and know that going into the game, boy, this is the bright lights. This is the bright lights. This is the game you want to get up for. You want to be playing against the Cowboys. You want the world watching. You want everybody watching. When you, as a. A defensive back, I get to play against CD Lamb and George Pickens. You got to be chomping at the bits for a battle like that. Not to want that as a competitor, as a player.

[B]

But the Raiders are so. Ocho, the Raiders are. They're so bad. They need so many things. They need an offensive line, they need a defensive line. They need something to go. If I'm Max Crosby, I want to get out. Y' all need Max Crosby. You see. You see Miles Garrett, and we're going to talk about. This is having a historic. A historic season. He has no impact on them winning.

[A]

No.

[B]

And it's unfortunate because he has 15 sacks with seven games to play. There's a great chance he's going to break that record, that he's going to end up with 23, 24 sacks and it's going to be for nothing. They'll probably finish with 4 and 13.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Max Crosby is unbelievable. He can play the run now. He's a hard guy to block because you never know, because he's like a junior, say, I rest his soul. You never know where he's going to be. He's supposed to be outside. And then he crosses your face. You expect him to cross your face. And now he bulls you back into the backfield. So he's a really hard guy to block or to line up. And you can line him up on the line, but he's not going to be. He's. He's never. He's not going to win there because there's so many pieces away from field. Oh, I can't tell you. Like, the receivers. I know Lockett. I was like, oh, that's Lockett. That's the one that used to be at Seattle. Went to Tennessee, asked for his release because he wasn't getting it to catch it. Ocho. They ran a down. Down in the. In the red zone.

[A]

Hold on.

[B]

What's the guy. Let me see. Tucker. They run it like a Tampa, too.

[A]

Yes, sir.

[B]

Me and my quarterback would say look, probably in this area. If we run this play, I'm not going to get over the top of him. Put it on my back shoulder.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Cause he running to a point. Oh, Joe, I can't get over the top of my run out of the end zone. Hell, I'd be in Henderson.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Hey, but hold on. You talk about in. In the first half, right?

[B]

Yes, yes.

[A]

See that, you know what that comes with chemistry. That comes with rhythm. Could you see where Geno Smith threw it?

[B]

Because, you know, Gino was thinking, yes, back shoulder.

[A]

Yes. Right. I'm throwing it on your back shoulder. And he just kept running. So, I mean, if he threw the ball the right way, it would hit the line back in the back of the head.

[B]

But see the Ocho, that's like. Okay, that's. Man, what you. What Ocho thinking? I don't know because Ocho didn't tell me what he was thinking. Okay. Gino need to relay that to him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It'll do no good for Gino to throw it on his back shoulder because the guy is running it like they drew it up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He's not veteran enough to understand if I can't get over the top, he's gonna fit this ball on my back shoulder.

[A]

Yes, sir.

[B]

So now all I do, I'm a Hall buddy. Like, I'm trying to get over the top. And guess what? I'm gonna open my hips and I'll catch the ball right here, and it's gonna be a touchdown.

[A]

And all it comes down to, especially as a receiver. And we. We saw something similar to this, the type of throw you, You. I go. I go back to. I go back to the jets game. Yeah, jets game with. With. With A.D. mitchell. You know, when they. When they ran that, it was somewhere.

[B]

Oh, yeah, the insert. He went outside and they crossed. Yeah.

[A]

And everybody's saying every. And Obviously the. The DB's in trail, so it's not a perfect ball over top. What's the best place to put it with the DB trailing right behind him? Put it on his back shoulder, away from the DB that's on the end on his inside hip trying to catch up. It's a perfect throw. Same thing here. You know, if Tucker could have. Could have understood and had.

[B]

Yes, yes, yes.

[A]

Had more control of his body, it would have been an easy, relaxing catch and pitch and catching.

[B]

You got the problem with A.D. mitchell was Ocho, the way he had his hands. Have a ball this high off the ground and you try to catch it like this, your hands up on it like this.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Now you got to make your hands like they're a bucket. You can't catch the ball. Cuz guess what? Even if you do catch it, when you hit the ground, poop, it's gonna.

[A]

Pop out, come right out. And the funny thing, those are small nuances. Huh? Those are small nuances. When. When it comes to younger players and veterans that you already know.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

No, but I mean, it's unfortunate.

[B]

The.

[A]

Hey, the Raiders, they need a lot.

[B]

Hey, they do.

[A]

They're bad. And it's gonna be. And it's gonna be a long time because you understand how long it takes to build a team. Yes, very long time to build a competitive team where you can compete, especially that goddamn conference they in.

[B]

Oh, you mean the division with Mahomes, Bo Nicks and Justin Herbert? I know what you meant. AFC West Division.

[A]

Yeah, sure.

[B]

Now, the thing that I. Look, the best thing to happen was pick George Pickens was to get out of Pittsburgh. He had gone comfortable. He wasn't going to. He needed some. He needed to be somewhere where they could get him to football and he'd be happy. That can get him to football. He's happy. He's playing happy. He's playing hard. He's tried. He tried. He reminds me. Now, he ain't the same Bill, but he reminds me the way he plays like to every time to caught the ball, to trying to get to hit his head on the goal post.

[A]

Every time. Bye. Bye.

[B]

Every time George Pickens, you catch hell getting him on the ground. Because if you think he's just going to go down. Oh, yeah, I got it. He going to go down. No, he's not. He's not going down.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he's tough to deal with because he has that mindset that. Oh, I know. Oh, you're scared. I can tell you scared. Look at you back at all. You scared. Hey, give me a smoke, Rock. Give me. Give me something quick. Let me get my hands on it.

[A]

And now I take care of the rest.

[B]

I do the rest.

[A]

I take it.

[B]

I'll do the rest. He.

[E]

He.

[B]

He's been. He's been everything that the Cowboys could have hoped for and more and more. Yes, and more. Now, look, the record is what the record is, but he's played exceptionally well.

[A]

Phenomenal.

[B]

He's played really, really well. That threw the ball well. And, and you know, dad can have these games.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If you don't pressure that now he gonna pick your part because he got the weapons to pick you apart. I mean, it's shooting Fish in the barrel. He got pick. He got C.D. he got Ferguson. Jake Ferguson. I like Jake Ferguson. He's not a guy that. That got great speed, but that trust him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Where he's supposed to be. He make good cat. He make good catches. He's a solid tight end. Is he McBride? No.

[A]

No.

[B]

Is he Laporta? No. Is he Loveland in Chicago? No. Is he Warren and at the Colts? No, but he's a very good tight end for what they need because they run everything outside in a lot of those teams, run things inside out. With that being said, Ocho, what'd you like about what you saw from the Cowboys?

[A]

Man, they look good, huh? And then the first. The first thing I wanted to talk about, I couldn't wait to actually get on the show. And I said, after that conversation with. With number three, after that conversation, what I had with three, and I told you he wouldn't have no more problems. I told you he wouldn't have no more problems.

[B]

Especially you said, I'm talking about on.

[A]

The field or no on the field stuff. Now, off the field stuff you have to be able to control because I got him to understand. I say, young boy, you got to remember. And I use examples of other players that were stellar. I use examples of other receivers that have been elite, you know? Hell, I even used myself at one point to kind of get it through his head and get it through his head early. You know, when you have a team giving up on you within a special talent like yourself, all right, that door starting to close. Now, it might not have closed all the way, but it kind of alerts other teams, like, listen, if we can't deal with them, man, y' all could take them as good as you are. You know what that means? You know what that means? Now, you're not gonna get too many chances. You're not gonna get that much grace because there's always somebody else they're willing to deal with that's not going to bring that kind of problem despite. Despite how good you are. So he's been. This is what he's always been, huh?

[B]

Oh, for sure.

[A]

This is what he's always been. So I'm just glad he can flourish, he can shine. He's playing, he's smiling. He's still. He's still nfa, NFL young boy. He's. He's still that, you know, he didn't lose that.

[B]

That's who he is.

[A]

Oh, and I love it, huh? He didn't. I think he didn't lose what makes him special.

[B]

I think the worst thing, the worst thing that happened to him is that he went to Pittsburgh, who has a history of receivers behaving in this manner. Go back and look at it. We don't have to call any names, but you go back and look at the Steelers history at wide receiver position. There's a reason why most of them don't get second contracts.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If you really look at. If you really think about it, Ocho, only one has really gotten a second contract. That's Hines Ward. AB Got a second contract. And then. Yeah, but they let plaques go. San Antonio Holmes. They let Mike. What's the fast dude. Mike Wallace, Mike Wallace, Emmanuel Sanders. And. And. And Emmanuel was a pitcher, but, you know, they just had too many. They had too many guys. They had to make a decision.

[A]

Number game, numbers game, number game.

[B]

Some guys. But I was like, damn, what is it in Pittsburgh that y' all back? But he figured it out. I'm glad you had a conversation with him. I'm glad he realized, like, bro, you can sit your grandkids, grandkids up for the rest of their life, and then you good and you straight and that's.

[A]

Hey, this is exactly what it's going to be, too. Now. I can't wait to the off season.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

I can't wait to the off season. Now, I know Cowboys fans, I know Cowboys fans are loving pick. I know they're loving what he's doing, what he's doing there. But when I think about it, I would love for him to. To go to. To. To go to another team, no disrespect to Cowboys fan. To go to another team, to get as much as he possibly can, as much as he's possibly can to a quarterback, to a team that is efficient offensively, that can also give him the ball where he can be at the number one and be on his own team where he can get 10, 11 targets a game. They can put him in positions to make.

[B]

He getting that now. He got 11 tonight.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

But it's hard. Look, Ojo, let's. We. We got to be fair. Pick. Pick is what he is. He's a phenomenal talent, but the Raiders are trash. Hey, you better go out there. You better go out there, get five for 40, Ocho.

[A]

Hey, five for 40.

[B]

Five for 40.

[A]

Listen, hey, let's stay with me real quick. You throw me five. You throw me five NFL balls on right now with the way I'm in shape, and if they put me. If you put me in positions to be able to manipulate a defense. Now I'm, I might have by 1 160.

[B]

Ocho, they gonna put. You gonna catch one pass and your hamstrings gonna give out.

[A]

Me?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

You think so? Yeah, I'm in shape. I. Robbie. Running, huh?

[B]

You'll run like that when last time you had a football in your hand and ran full speed? Yeah, exactly.

[A]

I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you said that. I haven't had a football in my hands, but I do have to run sport full speed when I play soccer on the weekends, you know. You know I play soccer with the Jamaican.

[B]

Yeah, I know you play soccer the weekend.

[E]

Hold on.

[A]

Hey. Oh, this ain't no lift field. This was Jamaicans. Have you ever seen Jamaican play soccer? They don't play. They don't play. It's like being, it's like playing football with no pads and everybody got damn fast.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And hey, anything about it? I don't mean to be off topic. I don't know you, I'm sure you had Jamaican friends. The Jamaicans I play with, it's an entire league. Everybody's Jamaican. The whole stadium. Everybody. I can't understand the word they saying. It's as if they just got here to the States.

[B]

They speak in patois.

[C]

What?

[A]

And within the way they talk. They talk so angry and so loud. It seems as if they arguing, but it's just a regular conversation. They be telling me stuff on the field. I just smile and say, okay, I don't understand nothing you're saying. But anyway.

[B]

Oh, Joe. CD Lamb and George Pickens spit the open series on the bench. Coach's decision reportedly for violating team rules. I just don't get these guys. I don't, I don't. And like I said, it's this new way now, I guess, I guess coaches and things, you're just going to have to accept. Players are going to be late. Players are going to blow our things. We're going to talk about Abdul Carter sleeping through a walkthrough. I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm just at a loss though, Joe. I'm just at a loss. I really am, Ocho. I, I really am. I don't really think it's asking too much at your job, right, to be on time. Hey, I mean, your boss, you supposed to clock in at 8:00'. Clock. 8, 8:00'. Clock, 8:30, 9:00'.

[A]

Clock.

[B]

You're like, Nah, I think I come at 10 today, right? Or, oh, you know, we supposed to have a Big meet, and I just sleep through. I. I'm just. Like I said, maybe it's just me. Maybe I'm just old school and I'm asking a bit too much of the players to be pros, not only in your occupation, but how you go about your business.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Maybe it's just. I'm just old school. Maybe I'm. I'm wrong. I'm wrong.

[A]

You know, I'm not sure. I'm not sure what it is because obviously, with. With the. With the nflp, as for the cba, they don't practice as much. I think they get more rest. I mean, so there really is no excuse. So we would. We would have to actually ask the players, what's the issue? What's the problem? Yeah, there have been many, obviously, in the last two weeks. There have been many situations. There have been many incidents with players being late. And most of the time, some of this stuff is swept under the rug. It swept under the rug, and they discipline them behind closed doors and still allow them to play. But now coaches are standing firm, you know, on the decisions, and stuff that is supposed to be in house is being leaked out.

[B]

Well, when you saw your two starting receivers in the first series, they're not on the field and they're healthy. Now, if they're street clothes, that's one thing. You standing on the sideline, ojo, with shoulder pads on, and neither want to end the game. You know, something's up.

[A]

Yeah. Listen, it could. It could have been part of the game plan. Could have been.

[B]

Exactly. So. So I. I was like, okay. And everybody's like, well, it. It's crazy that you're two star receivers, bro. There's a disciplinary problem, because if they were not healthy enough, they wouldn't even be in uniform.

[A]

Hey, what you think? What you think they did? Probably late to a meeting.

[B]

Late to a meeting or something.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Flight, something. Yeah, I just. Like I said, I. I don't. That's just me. I. I just think the thing is that I got one job. It's not like I have a whole bunch of jobs going on and things like that. All I got to do. Hold on. Y' all gonna pay me millions. I mean, we didn't make what they making now, Ocho, clearly. Right. But still, that was good money.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I just to be. I. I'm just. I've just always been a stickler. Even now, when, you know, we gotta shoot to do for club. Shay. Shay. The guests say they're gonna be there. I'm going to be there like 15 minutes earlier and 15 minutes early and to make sure I don't got made up and everything like that. I just, I just. My grandma's like, boy, don't be the cowtail. That's just. That's. That's just me. That's just.

[A]

Wait, don't be the what?

[B]

Don't be the cowtail. Don't be the last one, you know, the cowtail. The last day to come in.

[A]

I like that.

[B]

Come into the barn. So I just. That, that's just the way I am. During the game, Dance tweeted George Pickett. I want you to understand that whenever it's time to negotiate your new contract, your legacy will be more worth more than being the highest paid receiver if you stayed in Dallas. There's a lot more to the thought process, but think about it.

[A]

Hey, Dance, I love you, but you know how Jerry is when it comes to paying a player his true value. George Pickett has one time to maximize. He has one time to maximize everything he can get. It's not going to come from Jerry. Cowboys fans, I love you to death. I know you're excited about George Pickens and what he can do for you and your team. Not just now what he's doing, but for the foreseeable future. But Pickens is behind the eight ball when it comes to getting paid. All his counterparts have gotten paid already.

[B]

Then I got a new contract.

[A]

All his counterparts.

[B]

Didn't he come. Hold on. Didn't he come in with Chase?

[A]

If I'm not mistaken? I'm like, I don't, don't.

[B]

I think he came in with Chase. It's got to be his fourth year, isn't it? 2, 23, 24.

[A]

Is it right? It is or no? Is this fourth?

[B]

Okay. No. He came in a year after. This is his fourth season.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's time. It's time.

[B]

But here, Ocho, it's time. And yeah, I'm not gonna say I'm gonna. I, I can't see. Because two things. I'm a firm believer. Two things can be true.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I just remember when Dan got his contract, Dance was the highest paid player. He didn't take.

[A]

He didn't.

[B]

He wasn't worried about his legacy. He didn't. That's what the high pay. Go look it up. Chat. Y' all know what I'm talking about. I. It's gonna be interesting to see. Cause two things can be true. Dad's like, okay, his legacy. But is Pick gonna be one of these guys that we Talk about, like we do Randy Moss, like we do Jerry Rice, like we do Fitzgerald, like we do Calvin Johnson.

[A]

And listen, the way he's playing right now, he possibly could. He probably. He possibly could. Okay, I know one thing. Forget the conversation pieces. Those are cute. The legacy. Yeah, that's cute, too. But you can't eat with that. I pay no bills with that. It's. It's great when you're in the barber shop and we talk about, you know, we talking football with the fellas. Yeah, it's fine and dandy. It's a good thing. It's a great conversation piece.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But that legacy, having, making sure, you know, my.

[B]

What's your legacy? Is Ocho your last name? What?

[A]

Johnson.

[B]

You also. Your last name Johnson?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You got seven others last name Johnson. Your legacy is what the hell you do for them and how you leave them situated after you long gone.

[A]

Come on.

[B]

NFL legacy. My kids can't eat that. They can't go to private school on that. They can't go to college on what I do, what I did in the NFL.

[A]

Come on. Come on.

[B]

My legacy is what I've done for the name on the back. Shannon Sharp. Yes. I played my ass off for the Broncos because they compensated me handsomely. I played my ass off for the Ravens. They compensated me handsomely. But my last name. I got people that's depending on me, and I need to put them in a better situation than what my parents and grandparents could put me in. That is my legacy.

[A]

Hey, Uncle. It ain't even Sunday, boy, but you preaching. You hear me? Well, you. And you spitting that hot fire. Hey, hey, give me. Give me one. Give me one more verse now.

[B]

And the legacy. That's what I want my legacy to be.

[A]

Yes, sir.

[B]

I want my legacy to be. How did Shannon. What did Shannon Sharp do for his family? How did he leave them situated? Shannon Sharp has been gone 25 years. 40 years, man. In 35 years, ain't nobody gonna be talking about who. Man. Man, you remember three for the Cowboys. Nah, they gonna remember George Pickett's kid. Grandkids and great grandkids like they do the Rockefellers, like they do the Kennedys now.

[A]

Now.

[B]

That's their legacy.

[A]

That's a legacy. Yeah, I like that. I like that. Huh? That's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. The fact. The fact of the vision and leaving the legacy and it all being situated and. And surrounded by the Dallas Cowboys.

[B]

Nah, look, I want. I want the man to do. I Want everybody to get. That's why I try to tell the players, look, be on your best behavior. Don't give him any money back. Get all the money you can, because there's a likelihood everybody ain't gonna be like Tom Brady can make just as much money in retirement as they did when they were playing. Yeah. Tom's making 30. Everybody ain't gonna be Tony Romo making 19. Everybody gonna be Troy Aikman. So the money that you make in that period, that finite period of time, that's what's going to have to sustain you for the rest of perpetuity. For the rest of your life. The rest of your kid's life. Your kids kids life. That's my legacy. That's what I want my legacy to be. Fine, if everybody hey. Because a lot of people like, man, hey, Shannon Sharp, you talk about the guy that podcast, he played football. Damn.

[A]

Club Shay Shake.

[B]

Club Shay. Shannon Shark. Oh, I got grandkids and gonna have great grandkids. My legacy is that I left them in a position better than I was left in.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So at some point in time, Ocho, we. We did what we did so we could stop. I didn't want my kids to grow up how I grew up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm sure my mom didn't want me to grow up like she grew up. Got some of it, not all of it, but I got somebody have to pick cotton. That's my legacy. Dance. I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I just remember when you got your money, you got all of it.

[A]

Yeah. And.

[B]

And 14 million. You was the highest paid. You didn't say, you know what, Jerry. Hey, Jerry, break me a. You know what? If I'm not mistaken, it was five years. It was four years. Five years, 70 mil, 30 something guaranteed there. I don't mean to count your pockets, but I'm saying. You didn't say, you know what? I. I want to stay in Dallas really, really bad. Because my legacy means more in Dallas than it would somewhere else. You say, jerry, give me every dime that I've earned. Not that I deserve. That I've earned.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

See, people like, no, you don't get what you earn. You don't get what you deserve. You get what you earn. Yeah, he and Dance earned that contract. Y' all remember Dance was Scott dance. 16 touchdown. Dan was housing it. Dan was taking shallow crosses, piecing folks out. 50, 50. Ball was 90, 10 dead every time.

[A]

The real. The real. The real deal. Hey, and listen, don't let him hit the End zone up. Because you know he. You know what he gonna hit you with.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah. Real deal. But, but listen, it's just based on Jerry Jones, based on the way he's handled other players that were at. That were elite at their position, especially when it came to time to pay him, drawing things out, waiting to the very last minute, having issues, making it a circus, not taking care of the player, not putting the player first, but having his own agenda and way of doing things. I just don't. I me personally, I don't want that for Pickens. He's done enough. He showed his true value. Now there's a team that's not going to play games, that's not going to make a circus, that's not going to make him make a miss training camper or make him hold out. That's going to give him the true value and what he can do on the field. And it should. It should be superior. Top number one money. And I just don't think he can get that at the Dallas Cowboys. Even.

[B]

I like oo if. If the numbers are close. Let's just say the Cowboys say we got 32 million for you and another team got 34 million. I would stay with Dallas because guess what? I'm gonna save it in state tax. There ain't no state tax.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Going somewhere else? Let's just say you have to go. Now if the other team, I go to Las Vegas Raiders. Now the question is Ocho the question. And we see this with Miles Garrett, got paid, having an unbelievable season, but he losing. How well can you do? Because you see, we see a lot of guys that's losing. Ocho making a lot of money. They ain't happy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Boy, it sucks going out there in the cold.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Hey, like. Oh, and getting your eyes beating. Yeah, the checks are nice when they hit direct deposit, but as a competitor, you do what you do in order to give yourself a chance to win.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it sucks knowing that I go out there. You know what, man? I ain't really got no chance to leave.

[A]

Hey, you know, I don't. I know it was a hypothetical. I don't even like them numbers you called out as an example.

[B]

No, I'm, I'm just, I'm just saying.

[A]

I just.

[B]

I just threw out a number. Yeah. I mean, look, the way, the way it is now. A little too low. It's going to be. It's going to be. It's probably going to be north of 35 million because.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Who was it? Jetta signed that deal? Two, two years ago. So we're gonna be three years coming in. No, we can't look and I get it. I don't want to hear what this is an outlier contract. Because they did this for the longest time with defensive players. When Dominican sue signed his number. Yeah, his big contract. They talking about this was an outlier. I don't know about no outlier. I don't know about no PF Flyers. I don't know about no outlier. I know you a damn liar if you think I will take this bull job contract. That's what I would tell them. So. So Ocho, here's the Cowboys remaining schedule. They got the Eagles on Sunday, they got the Chiefs on Thanksgiving. Then they're at the Lions. They got the Vikings at home, Chargers at home, on the road at the Commanders on the road against the Giants. So the next four, the next game, Eagles, Chiefs, Lions, Vikings, Chargers, that's the next five. And the best part about it, Ocho.

[A]

Yes, sir.

[B]

For the fiver at home.

[A]

Hey, that. That's a great thing. But the bad thing about it is now the Cowboys look good today, huh? But they weren't. They weren't playing a competent team. They weren't playing a common team that's good on offense or a competitive team that's good on defense.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Most of the teams on that schedule on one side of the ball, they're really, really, really good. They're really good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So they gonna have. They, they gonna. Listen, they gonna have it. They gonna have it. They gonna have some fits. They gonna have some fits.

[B]

Now offensive, this game, this game Sunday is going to tell us a lot. Hey, gonna tell us a lot because you know, the Eagles, the Eagle a. Now that they got Jalen Phillips and you got other people on the. Off that defensive line to worry about. You got. You got Davis and you got Carter and you got. I think hunt. I think 97. What's 97 for the Eagles? What's his name? They got him on the other side. Oh, they got people you got to worry about.

[A]

It's gonna be hell.

[B]

So it's because probably what's going to happen. Mitchell would take pick De Jean. Cause what you call them lines up mainly in the slot. Cd. He'll probably deal with cd. That's probably. That's how they kind of played it last time, right. Or Joe Mo. That's 97 for the Eagles. They got another dude that was. Is it 96. That was batting down passes last night. Okay. But that they. Hey, they gonna get some work and the lions. Now here's the thing. You get the lions in that building to get them on turf. You get them in the closed environment, a controlled environment. Ocho, the temperature is 72 degrees. Oh yeah, the footing is solid.

[A]

And then listen, there's a good chance they won't look the way they did against some goddamn eagles.

[B]

No. No. Absolutely not.

[A]

Good chance.

[B]

I do not expect them to look like they did against the eagles.

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[B]

So right now, the National Football Conference. Here are the seven teams. If the playoffs were to end today, that would be in the playoffs. The Eagles would be the number one overall seed, followed by the Rams, the Bears, the Bucks, the Seahawks, The packers, the 49ers, Detroit, Carolina, Cowboys and Minnesota would be on the outside looking in. But there's seven games left to play. Yeah, and guess what? Now you play your way into the playoffs. This is where you play your way into the playoffs.

[A]

I'm excited, Ocho.

[B]

Jamar Chase. We had this conversation last night. Jamar chase was suspended one game. The one game suspension will cost him over half a million dollars. $448,333 in a game check and 58,824 in an active roster bonus. Chase plans to appeal and argue this one game suspension, claiming that if it was going to spit on Jalen Ramsey, he would have spit in his face and not on the man's jersey. The ground. Ocho. Ocho, that's not. Come on, Ram. I mean, come on Chase.

[A]

He didn't even talk to the media, huh?

[B]

Hello. That's what in Rappaport said, is that. He said if he was going to spit on Jalen Ramsey, he would have spinning his face and not on the jersey, the ground.

[A]

Yeah, I don't think he said that because he declined to talk to media. He declined to talk to everybody today, obviously you know, once you get out of watching film on Mondays. He declined to talk.

[B]

What. I guess his team put that out. But anyway, I don't know how. I don't know. But first of all, you said you didn't spit. So whether you spitting on the ground or you would have did X, Y, and Z, you said you didn't spit. That's what you said. You said that after the game. Yeah. Now the, the. All that, Ocho, you know, they shoot everything, man. You know, they shoot everything in 4K and you could actually see it. Yeah, yeah, you could. You could see pimples on an ant booty from the moon. That's how good the cameras are, Ocho.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Absolutely, Chase. Absolutely appeal it. But I mean, I just think you should, you know, call Rams and say, bro, I'm sorry, my emotions got the best of me, and leave. And because this one incident, this is not you. I don't believe this is you. I'm surprised that we actually have Ocho and I'm having this conversation and you're the topic of the conversation because you're ensnared in this. I wouldn't have believed it if you, you would have been the very last person they said a receiver. I probably. There are some other names I might have. Would have went to, but I wouldn't have been. I, I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have put that. I wouldn't have put that on you. No. So I hope, I hope that's what Report Ian Rappaport said. He said, his team said or he said. I don't believe it. I'm gonna say. Let's just say. But for the sake of. But you did spit on him. Whether you would have, what you would have done, you spit on the man, and it's gonna cost you, but you'll learn from it. I don't believe this is the type of person that you are. We've all done things that we're, we're not the. It's not our finest moment.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And don't. I, I don't think this moment should define Jamar Chase. They're gonna be, they're gonna be a lot of other moments that we can look back and define Jamar. Jamar Chase with. This is not going to be your defining moment, but the, the best. The best apology, Ocho, is change behavior. Don't let something like this happen again, and we gonna be good, bro.

[A]

The funny thing about it, when we talk about Jane, when we talk about changed behavior to players, I'M not just speaking on Jamar Chase in general, the change behavior most of the time, you know, he gonna make you forget about it on the field.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Gonna make you forget about it on the field. And we never had problems out of Chase off the field anyway.

[B]

No, you don't ever have problems from.

[A]

So when you, when you think of a hypothetical, if this scenario or this situation never happened and you just thought of some players that that would come from. It wouldn't come from him because he's one who causes no problems. The problem he calls is on the field. Correct as hell. That's it.

[B]

That's why. That's why I struggle. That's why you struggle. Yeah. Because you know him better than I do. And there was never any indication. He's so laid back. He's so much. If you watch him when he does an interview, he's sitting back.

[A]

He chill.

[B]

He's sitting back like this here all the time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So he. And a little bit that. I've been around him. I've been around him a couple of times doing the autograph signing. I saw him at the Super Bowl. He's a chill guy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He's not one of these high strung guys that, you know, best liable to go off. He's really mild mannered.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So that's why it's so surprising. But. You know, look, like I said, you know, this season was supposed to be different. They missed the playoff last year. He had the Triple Crown. He's the first Triple Crown, my brother to win that and not make the playoffs. My brother won the triple crown in 92. They didn't make the playoffs. Yeah, he won the triple crown in 24. They didn't. So almost 30. Almost well over 30 years. Yeah. So it doesn't happen often because there's not a whole lot of people that win the Triple Crown. It's hard. So you got to have. You got to have the most catches, yards and touchdowns versus everybody, not just the nfc, but the AFC as well. Sometimes you can have yards, sometimes you could have catches something and then somebody nips you with touchdown. He. He had both. It's kind of like winning the Triple Crown in baseball.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. You could have a.380 batting average, but you got 40 home runs and somebody got 50 or somebody drives in 135. That's why it doesn't happen that often. Mickey Cabrera was the last one. Then you got to go all the way back to Yaz.

[A]

Wait, who call you?

[B]

Scrimsky.

[A]

Okay. Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they Say who? Okay.

[B]

Yeah, so. Or the same thing in horse racing, you know, hey, you might win that first two, but that mile and a half at the Belmonts.

[A]

That'S it. That's hell, boy.

[B]

Yeah. If you notice now, a lot of horses just like, hey, forget it. They just. Hey, they like. I don't even worry about it. Hey, we win the Kentucky Derby, we'll skip the Preakness. We'll see you at the Belmont.

[A]

Right?

[B]

I mean, it was such a long time. And then, I mean, because everybody thought it was easy, you get Secretary in 73, and then you get Seattle Saloon Affirm back to back year, 77, 78. And then it's like. Well, it's. Man, it's too hard. It's too hard. It's too hard. And then you get American Pharaoh. Do it. And then you come back with a justified Bob Baffert. Two horses. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard. You probably had more Triple Crown winners in baseball than you had in horse racing, but.

[A]

And it's difficult.

[B]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[A]

You've been to the Kentucky Derby before.

[B]

I be in Ocho, we got a. It's all about Ocho. It's all about the hat.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

For a man and a woman is all about. I've seen women come with some hats and be barefooted. Be bare barefooted.

[A]

Yeah, Yeah.

[B]

I don't know. For some reason, it normally rains.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But, Ocho, these ladies have these hats. I mean, one lady had a hat. This hat was way out here like this here. You know, your boy. We had to have a young.

[A]

You was out there sharp, huh? You were sharp.

[B]

If a fly lit on. If a fly would have landed on my chart to cut his throat. You see you messing me up. You messing up the ensemble. Yeah, I was clean, Ocho.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't know. I'd have been there a few times. Obviously, when I was in Cincinnati, it's right. It's right down the street, right from.

[B]

Right. As a matter of fact, hell, I flew into Cincinnati and drove over.

[A]

Drove down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right down the street, man. It's a great event. I only did it one time. You know, I'm. I'm not in that kind of.

[B]

That's. That's why I met. I met. I met Bob Baffert.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Him and his son at the time I met. Rest his soul, I think D. Wayne Lucas. I met a couple of them.

[A]

It's a great. It's great. It's awesome sport.

[B]

It's unbelievable, Ocho, because it Was. It was on my bucket list. You know, I've been to a world series, obviously. I've been to a Super bowl, the Kentucky derby. I want to do Daytona 500. I went to. I want to do Wimbledon.

[A]

Huh? Listen, do me. Do me. Do me a favor. Do. To give yourself some justice so you can understand the experience. When you go to the Daytona 500, do not let them put you in a suite. You need to sit in the stand.

[B]

So you can get the field of feeling. Go around that track.

[C]

Yes, yes.

[A]

You got to be able to experience it. You got to feel those cars coming around, you know, the energy, the aura, the stands. You got the. Oh, man, it's on.

[B]

It's crazy, man. It's. It's crazy. I mean, it's. It's something about when you feel. When you feel 800 horsepower and it's 42 of those cars and they're going 180, 190 miles an hour. And they're this close. They're this close.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And those cars are damn near upside down.

[A]

Unbelievable.

[B]

Hey, boy. Hey, hey, hey, would they be. Hey, they bump draft. That's a. A rescue soul to Terminator. Dale Earnhardt slingshot down in the back. Oh, man, I gotta see that one. I gotta see that. I want to see Wilmington because I went to see. I saw the U. S. Open. I saw Serena. She just got married to two a couple of years ago to David Lee. She the dane. The tennis player. She married David Lee the basketball player. I saw her and Serena play semi final at the US Open on a Saturday night. What's her name? Wi. Yep, she married David Lee. I think they got a couple of kids because I saw them in. I just saw them in Vegas, maybe for the super bowl. David Lee, Michael Phelps and his wife, and it was David Lee and Wozniaki, but, man. Oh, so I gotta. I gotta, huh? Yeah. You look at your boy.

[A]

Hey, boy, you clean now. I see you. Okay. You clean.

[B]

I pulled out. I was in a hurry. Was it a hurry?

[A]

All right.

[B]

Yeah. Is April. Oh, Joe, we might have to jump down there. Hey, club shay shay. I mean, a nightcap might have to go on the road at the derby.

[A]

Hey, listen, I get my hat ready right now. Don't, don't. Don't play with me. Hey, because, you know, when it. When it comes to putting them. Putting them things on, you know, I put that. I put that. I put that, you know what on now. I'm ready.

[B]

Yeah, we might. We about to go and do a little something.

[A]

Speaking of Horses in Kentucky Derby. My daughter. My daughter Cha Cha, she plays tennis. Unc. She's phenomenal. She's phenomenal. And she loves horses. Until I love. She said, I'mma blame my mama. I'mma blame my mama. We went riding horses this past weekend, a weekend before last. She asked me all about types of horses and telling me about saddles, and I'm like, man, where in the world you learn all this stuff at? I talk about. She's really into it. So I'm like, okay. Okay, cool.

[F]

Okay.

[B]

Be in your pockets, too.

[A]

Hey, listen, so as soon as we finish riding, you know, the first thing Christmas coming up. So the first thing I do, I'm talking to the lady. We on the trail, we riding, Ask the train. I say, you know what horses run? How much they cost? Okay. A thousand, fifteen hundred for something simple.

[B]

Okay. Bet. What? Please?

[A]

No, I ain't get. I ain't getting nothing. Too expensive now, you know, she, she, she, she, she young now. So I'm like, okay, what about boarding? What about feeding? Do they have places? Do they have places out here?

[B]

Yeah, that's where you spend the money.

[A]

You know, they have board. It's like, yeah, that's.

[F]

Yes.

[A]

Star Wars. There's Borden. So I asked her, I say, well, listen, I'm gonna leave my information and, you know, send it to me and the numbers and what it costs weekly, monthly, and for the year. And I'm thinking about, you know, getting my daughter. I'm thinking about get a Pasafino. I don't want none too big. I want some a little small where the ride is smooth. And a Pacifino would be perfect for her. Yeah, I'm just curious. I'm kind of excited. I'm kind of excited for her because she loved him so much. And I think that would be one of the best breast surprises for one of. One of my 85 on Christmas morning.

[B]

The thing is, Ocho, is that, yeah, you get a horse for a decent price, you probably spend 1500, maybe $5000 on a horse.

[A]

What you got to put into it completely different.

[B]

But the boarded and defeated.

[A]

Yes. Yeah, but see, and to also, you gotta understand where I live in Miami, out that way, you know, because I'm. I'm further up north in west a little bit. Ain't nothing out there but horses and stables. That's it. And when you think Miami, you think south beach, you know, all the nice stuff. But I'm out there in the, in the. I don't even know what you want to call it. You know, you, you go to Walmart, you go to Target. And when you, when you driving, it's people riding horses up and down the street like we in goddamn Texas. Yeah, I'm serious. That's how far out I am from everybody.

[B]

Ocho, Mary Kay Cabot, when she reports all things Browns, I listen.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

George Sanders is expected to start Sunday in the game against the Las Vegas Raiders with Dylan Gabriel and concussion protocol. Barring something unexpected, Sanders will make his starting debut, becoming the 42nd different quarterback to start for the Browns since 1999. Kevin Stefanski was asked today if he changed anything, how reps were divided up among quarterbacks. Let's take a listen to what he had to say.

[A]

Would you have changed anything about the approach, about how you maybe divided up.

[B]

The first team reps from training camp to now? Yeah, I understand the question, Cam. I think it's important that you do what you think is right for a football team. The development of our players is constant. It doesn't happen just in one drill or in one practice or one meeting. So we trust our guys, we trust our backup players to be ready to go. And Shador is ready to go. Obviously, I know he wants to play better, I want to coach better, all those type of things, but that just comes, that'll come through work. That's where it will come.

[A]

I like that. I like what he said. I like what he just said.

[B]

What did you say?

[A]

He contradicted himself a little bit. The key word that he just said, unc. Develop. Develop. The only way to develop is to get the reps.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Just in case you need to be, you need to develop in just in case scenarios with those you're going to play with on Sundays. That's how you develop. If you have a, if you got an offensive period, you got 707, you got 20 plays, five of those, please. Have to go for number two. Just in case if you got team, period, and you got another 20 plays or 15 plays, five of those plays, maybe that's a little bit much. If you got 15, at least three of them.

[B]

Normally, normally 10 to 12. Everywhere I've been. I'm not saying some people might have had that, but we never went more than 12 plays a period.

[A]

Yeah, some, some.

[B]

The, the last goal line was. Goal line wasn't that many. You probably had about four or five plays on goal line.

[A]

Yeah, but, but those, those situations towards the end, towards the end of the, the plays on that, on. And in that period, they need to go, you know, to your backup quarterback. You Know, that's how you develop. That's how you make sure you're ready just in case something happens to your number one quarterback. That's what they didn't do. And a lot of people, you know, making fun of, oh, Dory said he'll be ready. Oh, he said he could play. Listen, I don't care who you are. If you don't get reps with the number ones, it's not like a plug and play. And all of a sudden you go out there and you're going to change things. They already need help. They already need help as it is offensively, you know, in, in certain. So to think he's going to come in there and be all world without actually practicing with the ones. Come on, man. It's the NFL, man. Come on, stop that.

[B]

I think the thing is, look, I've heard a lot of people say, well, look, I've only been to two places.

[C]

And.

[B]

The backup got reps, especially because I was in Baltimore. Trent D. Was our backup. Trent D. Was the number four pick in the draft.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And guess what? He got reps. Backing up Tony Banks. Tony was the starter.

[A]

Hey, Tony.

[E]

Hey.

[B]

I'll give you another example my next year. Elvis Gerbach was the starter. Randall Cunningham was the backup. Randle got reps. Randall had been a starter with the Eagles, been to the Pro bowl better. Went to the Pro bowl with the, the Minnesota. He got reps. So we got two veteran guys that's taking reps, right? But this, you know, you're not gonna give this guy any reps and then you expect it. And then somebody said, Tom Moore said, Peyton Manning took all the reps. Ain't nobody getting no reps when Peyton Manning got hurt. And nobody take no reps. And ask Tom Moore what happened to the whole staff from the general manager down, got fired. You know why? Because the guys had taken no reps.

[A]

Right. It wasn't ready and it wasn't ready.

[B]

And everybody got fired.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And guess what happened?

[A]

It's the fancy. Don't have to fancy. Don't got to worry about that. Because the person who wants to do the firing came out publicly and said, this ain't my pick. This is not who I wanted.

[B]

Yeah, true. So for me, I just, like I said, I'm not saying, look, I'm not saying you get a guy, he's a backup, you got a rookie quarterback. But it's hard for me to see a scenario. Cause I always thought it was funny because they said, well, he's not. He's not even running the scout team. What's the guy? Bailey. Zappy. Right. He came from somewhere else and was getting. And got. And jumped in over Shador.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I said, so what we supposed. What. What are we supposed to deduce from that? It's just hard. I just couldn't imagine it would be hard for me to go into a game.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

In which I took no reps and I'm out there with Ed and Rod and John and TD and. It was hard enough being a young player and you getting a couple of reps.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Everything is happening so fast.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You got to remember, okay, I got this route now, but if this guy comes, I'm hot. But no, it's this protection. So instead of taking one, it's going to take two because the back's gonna stay in and take one. So if the other guy comes now, I'm hot. You got to remember all that. But I got to get in and out of this break, too, because Johnny got all day. This ain't 707 now. And they can't blow no whistle. They only gonna blow the whistle when he picking his ass up off the ground.

[A]

You know the one thing I hate, too?

[B]

What's that?

[A]

Which is very hard for a rookie. Not only are you not getting no reps in practice, forget that part. Practice is slow.

[B]

Yeah, for sure.

[A]

Practice is slow. When you get into the game and everything speeds up, everything is sped up. It. It's crazy. It's crazy. And it could be. Oh, it can almost be shocking to you when you get in there with the number ones. This ain't the goddamn preseason, huh? Against the best of the best, the best that they had to give you. And when you don't have those rep, those reps, or the officer line, like. Like one of the linemen came out and said, I wasn't. I wasn't used to his cadence. Cadence, it's different.

[B]

That's very important to an offensive lineman, though. Very.

[A]

So, I mean, listen, if I. I saw the reports, I think Shador will be starting this week. So he has a week under his belt to get himself ready, to get himself prepared. And now the offense can be predicated in the play calling. Could be predicated to his strengths and what he does. Well, knowing him with the type of player he is, I think they're going to throw the ball much more and. And lean on Brother, Brother Jenkins to, you know, to run the ball when. When they need to and when they want to.

[B]

Jenkins.

[A]

Yeah. Junkin. Junkin. I'm sorry. I'm talking about what I said, Jenkins. Yeah, my bad, Juggins.

[B]

I think the thing is, Ocho, that he will push the ball down the field.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

That's how you get. You produce points. You got to push the ball down the field.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I'm not saying just arbitrarily, just throw the ball up and just hope, but I'm saying they're, they're, they're. They normally call something to the flat something. Something mid and something deep.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, also should. Door should do. Our house was broken into last night during last night's game, according to multiple reports. It's unclear if anything was stolen during the break in and the suspects haven't been identified, but it marked the latest incident instance of athletes homes getting burglarized while they're playing or what. You know, they know when basketball players are not going to be home. They know, hey, man, that's your door house, man, he playing the game, he ain't home. I mean, it'd be tough oo having that, having the type. You know, you come in the game, you're excited, you don't play as well as you hope, and then you get home and it's the ultimate violation.

[A]

It is.

[B]

I don't know if you've ever had your house broken into, but. I had mine broken into.

[G]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You told me they, they, they stole some stuff that, that. Yeah. Watches.

[B]

It was a lot of sentiment. The thing was, it was like it had a lot of sentimental value, Ocho, because the watches that I had is that they were meticulous. I had to wait a year, I had to wait three years, had to wait four years before I was able to save up and get the watch.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So it meant a little bit more to me than the watches I was able to get to replace them. Right. But my 84 chain that my brother gave me.

[A]

Yes, sir.

[B]

I had a medallion with all my kids name on it, a dog tag. So it was one big K. And then all the kids name, they got that. My cuff links. So it's a, it's a. It's an ultimate. It's you. You feel betrayed. You like that's one of the, that's one of the reasons when I wanted to move also. Right. Because I was like, man, I can. Because they'd never happened. It never happened. I remember the times I would, you know, I would walk the dogs and I would leave the door unlocked.

[E]

Mm.

[B]

And just this one time I was gone for about an hour and come back and hour. That's it. I Was going for about an hour.

[A]

God damn.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

You see? And, you know, I. You know what? You know, I think nobody has ever, ever robbed me. Can I tell you why?

[B]

Why?

[A]

What have I always preached about since I've been in the leagues in 2001? Ain't nothing. And nothing I'm wearing. What?

[B]

Yo.

[A]

Earrings, chains. Why? Nothing. Ain't none. That real. So what you coming to my house for? Mad as hell. You know, that's something I've always preached, always preach, you know, over and over and over, you know, Now. Now it's a little different. Now it's a little different because, you know, I was able to. To set aside enough to. Now I can treat myself, I can enjoy myself and. And, you know, and, you know, get a little. Get a little bit out of character when it comes to the fruits of my labor and enjoying it a little bit more. But I never had any issues like that. Huh.

[B]

Yeah, it was. I mean, I've heard of people like, it happened. You know, I was like, man, they say, Shannon, you just feel so violated.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The. The. The freedom and. And the independence that you felt that you thought you had. It's. It's never gonna be the same. And it's not, you know, you become very, very, very skeptical and, you know, you just don't want to trust.

[A]

God damn. I'm still thinking about that. Well, you were gone for an hour.

[B]

I was gone for an hour. Yeah.

[A]

And it had to be somebody, you know, man. God, Lee, man.

[B]

Yeah. Well, I think the thing is, baby, they would. They look, they were just. I don't know. But that was. That was the hardest part, man. It's just like the stuff that they stole, man. I had worked so hard. I mean, from 90, from. I think my brother gave me my first Rolex when I graduated college, so I started getting Rolexes. The one that old boy gave back to me when I went back in and say pot. Let me get that right there. I had to trade that in on something else.

[A]

Yeah, okay, okay.

[B]

Let me get that right there.

[A]

Wait, you had a Rolex in college?

[B]

Once I graduated.

[A]

God damn.

[B]

Once I graduated college, my brother bought me. Got me a Rolex. I never forget. Oyster flex band, two tone, stainless steel and gold. I'm proud of you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Rick, bro, Stern.

[A]

That's live. Too bad.

[B]

It's.

[A]

You ever had one of these?

[B]

What's that?

[A]

What is. The Casio, 1983.

[B]

No. Oh, yeah. I had. They used to have.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Digital. You remember? You. What do you. Were you old enough to wear a watch. When they had the digital watch craze.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You squeeze it and it light up.

[A]

Yes. Yes. Would you dare her?

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

It's so funny. It's so funny. I got. I still got my old gold. My gold. My gold Casio. I got the calculator watch. I got this. This 1983 Casio.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What else? I got one more Casio watch that's all black. I'm talking about classic back in the days, you know, when you. When you go to school and you have math class and.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Test. You'd be able to.

[E]

You.

[A]

You be able to use it to cheat on you.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. I know exactly what you're talking about. They got that. I had a. An AP of LeBron. They did a. LeBron, did a. An AP with a leather strap. It was gray. 600. I'll never forget. Walked in. I mean, I. I had to go through. Jump through hula hoops. I feel like. To get that watch from the ap because I didn't have a. I didn't have a purchasing history. You know, Everybody wants you to have a purchasing history.

[A]

Yeah, I hate. I hate that. Matter of fact, I hate that with Richard Millie, Richard Miller, you got to.

[B]

Have a Patek, and you gotta have Odomars baguette. I'm like, Vacheron AP Jorn.

[A]

Hey. I'm like, sir.

[B]

FP Jordan. Excuse me.

[A]

Yeah, Sir. Come on, man.

[B]

Same thing with Hermes. You ain't gonna just walking off the street and get no bag.

[A]

I think, see, the thing with Hermes, I already had a purchase history, so. Yeah, with them, I get. I'm able to skip.

[B]

Oh, you gotta hit. Really? You don't say, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I got a personal history with AM Ray's Hermes way back from, like, in 11 years ago. You. You know what I'm talking about, Chad.

[B]

Y' all don't find that. Y' all don't find that odd? Huh? This man got a person in history with. With Patek and L.P. jordan and Otomas P. G. And Richard Mille.

[A]

The only. Only Richard.

[B]

Vacheron. Ulysses. Naughty. And I can't get my bread, Chad. Y' all don't find that a little bit. Y' all don't find that a little bit.

[A]

Wait a minute, Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I said I got your money.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I need you to put it in my pocket so I can have my money.

[A]

I said, that's not. You know what? You keep. You keep pressing me about this Money. And the funny thing about it, I was trying to make it a Christmas gift for you.

[B]

How you gonna make my money a Christmas gift? Ain't no damn gift. You got my money, give me my gift. You give me chat. How that chat? Y' all need to make that make sense. This man go give me my money and say it's a Christmas gift. Yeah.

[A]

I wanted to feel like a gift because, listen, Christmas is all about giving. So that it's the perfect time to give you your money back on Christmas. Chat.

[B]

Y' all ever had that happen? Chat, somebody gave you something that's yours as a gift.

[A]

Hey, let me. You know what my grandma always said? Anytime you lend money out or you bet money, you should. You should. You should. You should be able to have enough to be able to withstand.

[B]

I ain't got it. I did, but there was a. Some extenuating circumstances that took place. I ain't got it no more. I ain't got it like I was had it. So I need that 5,500 to come in handy. It'll do something to do something for me. Ocho.

[A]

Hey, let me tell you something. Even. Even though. Listen, we. We've all had our trials and tribulations. We all have. We had our downs, we've all had the peaks. We've been to the valleys through the highs and the lows. One thing about God. That God is a good God, Huh?

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Hey, listen. And what they take it, he can replenish, and it's tenfold. And the funny thing about it, it's gonna happen when you least expect it. You can be like, man, what the hell it did. I'm telling you. Let me tell you how the man work. I know how.

[B]

I believe it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Because I'm. I'm a living. I'm a. I'm a living witness.

[B]

Hey, the only thing is, Ocho, is that he wake me up every day. He give me life. I got breath in my lungs.

[A]

You good?

[B]

My grandfather used to always tell my brother and I, he said, if I take you somewhere, I expect you to go, I expect you to be able to get back here. I take that same approach. If I made it once, I can make it again.

[A]

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

[B]

Oh, Joe. Now, they say with interest that 5,900 is 67.

[A]

67 what?

[B]

$6,700 interest? Yeah. Air America USD.

[A]

Well, hold on. What kind of. What you. Why you acting like. You acting like Trump with the terrors.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. And guess who paid for the tariffs? Who? We do.

[A]

I ain't Got it. I ain't got it. 6700. But, yeah, they're going into child support, man. French fry ain't gonna be able to have no Christmas.

[B]

Me, I mean, you know, my kids. I mean, grandkids, they won't, you know, want cars and iPads. And I was like, well, if I.

[A]

Pay you 6700, how my kids gonna have a Christmas?

[B]

Hey, hold on.

[A]

Forget that. How I'm gonna have Thanksgiving?

[B]

Hey, I mean, you got me. I'm gonna have to go down to the shelter. I heard they have a good meal down at the shelter. Nobody knows the trouble.

[A]

I got. Listen, I gotta get my kids Christmas gifts. I gotta get my woman. I gotta get her, you know, her gifts and what she won't, you know, like, I got you, though.

[B]

Hey, I told him, I say this year, leap year, December 20th, 5th. Yeah, yeah, we skipping over it. We going to. I'll see you next year. Hey, you know, it's supposed to happen. If it's supposed to be February 29th, it's December 25th. We gonna be right on over. Yeah, I get you next year.

[A]

Hey, that's funny.

[B]

Oh, Joe, before we move on, let's take a listen to the classic response your door had for the Browns fan booing Dylan Gabriel last night. Take a listen.

[G]

I'm extremely thankful. Well, first, let me say this. When Dylan out there playing and all that, I appreciate the fans. I appreciate everybody, but they don't. It don't really. I'm a good person overall, so I don't really like him not feeling comfortable, confident, you know, when he get out there. So, you know, it puts. It puts everything in a tough spot, you know, and it's not helping the team, you know, so that could be taken as okay. I'm being a distraction, even though I ain't doing that, you know, I'm not doing them. But I'm thankful for the supporters, thankful for the fans, thankful for everybody out there, you know, that believes. And yeah, when I got out there, I definitely felt them. And, you know, I'm truly thankful for it. And, yeah, I'm just thankful that I'm out here know. I'm thankful for the opportunity, thankful. Seeing all them 12 jerseys out there and feels a great feeling.

[A]

Yeah, that's. That's something you can't control.

[B]

I'm sorry, Shador.

[A]

Yeah. By the way, listen, no matter what you say, that's something that you can't control. Those fans in Cleveland have had to deal with quarterback woes for who knows how long. I'm not sure how many years it's been. And when things aren't going well, they f in the boo. It doesn't matter who you are. They don't care that it makes you uncomfortable. It doesn't. They don't care that it, that, that if you're playing bad, they do not care. They've been going through it for a very long time. They've been going through it longer than you've been alive, you know.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

You need to understand that. So when a quarterback does come in there, they're expecting. They were expecting something different than what they've always seen year after year after year after year. And that. That's just how it's going to be. They've been dealing with it for a long time. So you got to understand that and why they're booing. You know, they're not born just for what's going on right now. They born for all the years ain't been. Right too.

[B]

Yep. You write about that and look, a lot of it and I'm sure, you know, obviously you, you boo players, but a lot of this has to do with his dad. A lot of it has to do with the dislike that they have for his dad. And they couldn't boo his dad because his dad was so great. So the vitriol that we had towards his dad that we couldn't give to his dad, we're gonna take it out on his kid and. But I thought he handled that situation and like you, you know, he, like you said, he can't control what the fans do. Yeah, he appreciate this love and support that they've given him, but I can't control what, you know, grown women, grown men and women and children booing and, and carrying on saying so. It's tough. It's, it's really, it's, it's. It's a tough position to be in.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't image. I don't. I don't envy the young man. I don't.

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