Nightcap Hour 1: George Pickens WANTS to STAY in Dallas + Roger Goddell says NFL had NO IMPACT on BELICHICK Hall of Fame Vote + ONLY 1 MINORITY CANDIDATE in COACHING CYCLE

Summary

Club Shay Shay — Nightcap Hour 1:

George Pickens Wants to Stay in Dallas + Roger Goodell on Belichick’s Hall of Fame Vote + Coaching Cycle Diversity
Date: February 3, 2026

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Episode Overview

On this episode of Club Shay Shay: Nightcap, Shannon Sharpe and co-host Michael Smith dig deep into the hottest NFL topics ahead of the Super Bowl. They open with wide-ranging analysis of George Pickens’ contract situation and candid remarks about staying in Dallas, then critique the NFL Hall of Fame selection process in light of Bill Belichick’s snub, and round out the hour reflecting on the lack of diversity in NFL head coach hires despite league policies. Both hosts combine humor with unfiltered, insightful football analysis, making the discussion accessible even to those not steeped in NFL lore.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. George Pickens’ Contract Situation and Future in Dallas

[02:19–19:38]

• Pickens Wants to Stay—But at Market Value

  • George Pickens has publicly declared he'd like to remain a Cowboy—if the price is right.
  • Sharpe and Smith analyze his value and negotiation leverage, pointing out the cost “has definitely gone up” after his breakout season.
  • Notable Quote:

    “Just know that he's a playmaker now. If it’s good for both sides, he's good for it. But the bag, the price going up. Yesterday’s price is not today’s price.”
    —Shannon Sharpe (03:37)

• Business vs. Loyalty

  • Smith argues Cowboys ownership is notorious for undervaluing players in negotiations and expects Dallas to lowball Pickens.
  • Notable Quote:

    “I only say I would love [for] George Pickens to be somewhere else simply because he can get the most of what his true market value is as opposed to staying in Dallas… Based on Jerry Jones’ track record when it comes to paying players, especially when you already have a number one, you're paying a receiver already as a number one…”
    —Michael Smith (04:47)

• Franchise Tag and Market Dynamics

  • Sharpe points out that the franchise tag is often used to delay or dampen true open-market earnings.
  • Discussion about how Pickens, as a proven number one receiver, should start negotiations at higher than prior market deals.
  • Notable Quote:

    “The starting point, Ocho, is $35 million. Absolutely. …the cap has gone up… So Jeddah got a deal when the cap was probably $35–40 million less than what it is now.”
    —Shannon Sharpe (07:21)

• Receiver Hierarchies and Team Chemistry

  • Sharpe likens receiver targets to “who gets the big piece of chicken” in the house, showing who’s prioritized.
  • The challenge of paying two “number ones” (CeeDee Lamb & Pickens) is explained.

• Open Market vs. Team Discount

  • Consensus: Pickens should not give Dallas a “hometown discount” on his first big deal.
  • Notable Quote:

    “You don’t do that on your first deal.”
    —Shannon Sharpe (09:50)

• Agent Power and Negotiation Room Dynamics

  • Both highlight how teams often bring up minor behavioral negatives in negotiations as justification to offer less.

• Big Picture Takeaway:
  The panel agrees: Pickens’ best chance at maximizing earning and role is likely outside of Dallas, thanks to team precedent and the power dynamics of NFL negotiation—no matter what fans wish.

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2. Roger Goodell & the NFL’s Role in Hall of Fame Voting (Belichick Discussion)

[22:30–42:04]

• Goodell Claims League Has ‘No Influence’ Over Ballot

  • Goodell addressed speculation that votes against Bill Belichick for the Pro Football Hall of Fame were due to league pressure, specifically regarding Spygate.
  • Notable Quote:

    “We are not involved… Bill Belichick’s record goes without saying.”
    —Quoted by Shannon Sharpe (22:30)

• Shocked at the Ballot: Too Much Power, Too Many Grudges

  • Smith calls out the “ridiculous” reality that Belichick wasn’t first-ballot, chalking it up to personal grudges among the 50 voters:

    “Those 50 voters, I feel, just have too much power… it should be a unanimous decision across the board. The fact that he didn’t go in because of personal reasons… is ridiculous.”
    —Michael Smith (23:29)

• Historical Context of Coaching Hall Votes

  • Sharpe reviews the rare history of first-ballot coaches, adding: holding Spygate against Belichick was expected, but the exclusion is still disappointing. Discomfort with Belichick’s “smug, condescending” press demeanor is cited as a factor.
  • Memorable Moment: Sharpe draws a parallel to TO’s Hall both snub and the moving of goalposts/rule changes for certain candidates (26:14).

• Media, Popularity, & Legacy

  • Discussion on how off-field behaviors and contentious relationships with the media can unjustly sway votes.
  • Memorable Quote:

    “It’s not a popularity contest. It’s not about whether I like you… But that’s how they do it.”
    —Michael Smith (33:59)

• Owners’ Place in Canton

  • Sharpe questions why Robert Kraft isn’t “automatic” for Hall despite unmatched team success, contrasting with other owners who are already inducted.
  • Notable Quote:

    “Every man has a flaw… But we’re not saying how flawed the individual is. We’re basing it on his resume and what he’s added to the National Football League.”
    —Shannon Sharpe (29:58)

• Parity, Power, and Gatekeeping

  • An ongoing refrain: the system protects itself, favors those in power, and withholds transparency about who keeps legends like Belichick off their first ballot.

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3. Only One Minority Head Coach Hired: Rooney Rule Critique

[44:38–67:22]

• Goodell’s Response & the Numbers

  • Only one minority coach hired in the most recent cycle (Robert Saleh, Lebanese descent); no new Black head coaches.
  • Goodell says the NFL is “reevaluating everything” including the accelerator program and the Rooney Rule, but Smith is unimpressed:*
  • Notable Quote:

    “You can put all the rules in place that you want to… I’ma hire who I want to hire.”
    —Shannon Sharpe (45:51)

• Rules as Window Dressing

  • Smith critiques the Rooney Rule and similar efforts as little more than boxes for owners to check for appearances' sake.
  • Notable Quote:

    “We keep having to jump through hoops… They put these rules in place just to have something to abide by… Here, damn. So we can shut everybody up. If they don’t want you in those positions, why do we continuously fight?”
    —Michael Smith (45:55, 47:06)

• Systemic Barriers and the ‘Pipeline’ Argument

  • Discussion of how most jobs are filled by word of mouth and insular circles—owners, GMs, and coaches hire people who look and think like them.
  • Notable Quote:

    “I want the best person for the job. Work hard, be on time. …I don’t care what your gender is, race, orientation. I want the best people in the job.”
    —Shannon Sharpe (47:06)

• Opportunities Given Only at Bad Teams

  • Hosts note Black head coaches are often only hired by struggling teams, given short “leashes,” and replaced quickly—see Steve Wilks, David Culley.
  • Notable Quote:

    “You go into the Jets, you go into the Arizona… they don’t have a quarterback, you go in places that don't have a quarterback, and they know you cannot win long term without a quarterback.”
    —Shannon Sharpe (50:54)

• Ownership & Network Effects

  • The lack of Black owners, GMs, and team decision-makers is underscored as the root cause of persistent hiring inequality.

• Performative Diversity vs. Real Change

  • Frustration that each year’s hiring cycle yields the same debate—and the same disappointment.

• Economic Barriers to Ownership

  • The conversation ends reflecting on the massive cost of franchise ownership as the last—and still daunting—hurdle for Black participation at the highest level:

    “You’re going to have to get a lot of people… Oprah, Robert Smith, Jay Z… the price is not coming down… NFL teams print money.”
    —Shannon Sharpe (67:22)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Pickens and Player Value:

  “He’s a playmaker. He wants it to be known… if it’s good for both sides, he’s good for it. But the bag, the price going up.”
  —Shannon Sharpe (03:37)

• On Hall of Fame Voting Power:

  “It should be a unanimous decision… The fact that he didn’t go in because of personal reasons… it’s ridiculous.”
  —Michael Smith (23:29)

• On Diversity Efforts in Coaching:

  “We keep arguing, keep climbing, keep scratching, to be where they don’t want us. I don’t understand… They do us on purpose.”
  —Michael Smith (47:06, 58:32)

• On How Most NFL Jobs Are Filled:

  “85% of the jobs are never listed… It’s all a game, man.”
  —Shannon Sharpe (59:16, 60:03)

• On Ownership as the Final Barrier:

  “You’re going to have to get a lot of people… the price isn’t coming down… NFL teams print money.”
  —Shannon Sharpe (67:22)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• George Pickens’ contract discourse: 02:19–19:38
• Belichick, Hall of Fame politics & owner candidacy: 22:30–42:04
• Coaching hire diversity & Rooney Rule critique: 44:38–67:22

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The Club Shay Shay Perspective

This episode exemplifies Shannon Sharpe’s frank, no-BS approach to the NFL’s most charged issues: players as commodities, the entrenched power of ownership, and the league’s struggle with diversity. Co-host Michael Smith provides sharp counterpoints, humor, and periodic exasperation. They offer both inside-league perspective and a relatable, big-picture critique—making the show a must-listen (or, with this summary, a must-read) ahead of the NFL’s showcase weekend.

Transcript

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[Michael Smith]

Listen, I'm glad George Pickens understands his value. I hope Dallas Cowboys fans understand his true value. As well and understanding that. I know as much as Dallas Cowboys fans love George Pickens, I love him as well. Understanding how that owner operates and they're going to franchise tag them and try to reach a long term deal. But I guarantee you whatever long term deal they try to reach is going to undermine and undervalue what George Pickens bring to that organization. To me, I only say I would love George Picking to be somewhere else simply because he can get the most of what his true market value is as opposed to staying in Dallas. I, I understand that. And Dallas Cowboys fans, I'm sure most of you will be like ocho, go to hell. Shut up. He's a Cowboy. Of course you want to be a Cowboy because you've seen what he can do with Dak, with CD Lamb, with that offense. But with the great understanding of being around the NFL for a very long time, understand how negotiations work, understanding how owners truly feel about you when you're in those negotiating rooms. Understand David Mulla is going to get exactly what he deserves and not a penny less. I just feel based on Jerry Jones track record when it comes to paying players, especially one where you already have a number one, you're paying a receiver already as a number one, paying another number one who true ma market value is number one money. Un which would overlap with CD is making.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely.

[Michael Smith]

I just don't see it happening there in Dallas. So I see whatever deal they do get done, whatever deal they throw at they, David Mulla and George Pickett is going to be extremely low and extremely disrespectful. And George just needs to let Dave handle everything because I know Mr. Mulatta is not playing. He not going to play no games. So I mean listen, I Cowboys fans, you know, I've been nothing but gracious to y'.

[Rob Gronkowski]

All.

[Michael Smith]

I, I love y'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All.

[Michael Smith]

I really speak bad of your team. But. But this is the situation where I need you to to take your fandom out of it and understand what George Pickens value truly is and know that your owner is and the way he conducts himself shows no signs of actually playing. Paying George Pickens what he truly worth.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know if he's going to have a choice in order to not look. You can franchise him in in hopes to get an extension, a long term deal. Done. Oo 5 years because he doesn't have any, any money on the contract anymore. It's not like you can add years and just do it like that. So you're going to have to give him somewhere five Years. With that being said, he knows his value is, is at he. The starting point, Ocho, is $35 million. Absolutely. Which is, which is what Jeddah got. That's the starting point because Jeddah did that deal two, three years ago.

[Michael Smith]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So here we are and the cap has gone up. So Jeddah got a deal when the cap was probably 35, $40 million less than what it is now. With that being said, yes. You saw what I'm capable of doing now. I just want you to know now I love it here in Dallas. It's great. Everybody's welcomed me with open arms. Everybody on the team, Jerry, you, Steven and the family has been great to me. The fans have been amazing. But I want my money. I won't. I want what I've earned. This is what I was capable of all the time. And some. Look, I don't have a problem with him having but I knew he had to leave Pittsburgh because he was kind of setting his ways. They knew what, they knew what he could do, but they knew they were never going to get out of George Pickens. What Dallas got out of George Pickens.

[Michael Smith]

Well, they.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So with that being said, Ocho, let him go. Let it, hey, we got a draft pick, we got a third round draft pick coming. But let him maximize his God given ability. Let every, let him show the world this is what I could do all along I wasn't given the opportunities and he had. He has the propensity to drift if you don't get him the ball early, if he doesn't get engaged early. And a lot of great receivers have had that. That's why teams or coordinators go out of their way to get the number one receiver the ball early.

[Michael Smith]

Early.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because if I get him early, I'll have him late. But if I get him late, I'm not going to have him late. Yeah, go ahead, Ojo.

[Michael Smith]

No, I was going to say. I'm going to say you're truly right. But I'm hoping. Which most fans aren't able to do. They're not able to compartmentalize the business, you know, side of things and being a fan of said player that's a part of their team. Of course you want George Pickens there. Hell, I won George Pickens there. And I'm only saying I would love to see him elsewhere simply because the fact, you know, let's, let's, Cowboys fan, let's not be delusional when it comes to how Jerry Jones handle, handles and conducts business when it's time to pay Players, for one. He does it late. He always does it late. He does it on his time. And the franchise tag, most of the time they say, you know what? The franchise tag ain't gonna buy us a little bit more time to get a deal done. Okay, let's say that's cool. But again, the numbers on his true macro value, what he can get on the open market is not going to reference that if he stays in Dallas. Now, if he is, is George Pickens willing to take a goddamn hometown discount just to stay because he liked the team like Dick Dak Prescott. And you don't do that on your first deal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, absolutely not.

[Michael Smith]

No, no, no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's a, That's a second or third deal.

[Michael Smith]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Even. Even when they gave Myles Garrett his money, even when they gave Michael Parson his money is still not the money that he could have gotten had he made a total free agents.

[Michael Smith]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I'm saying he has no more years on his contract. They can't franchise him. Now, I take my services to the open market to see what I'm capable of doing.

[Michael Smith]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Green Bay, like, okay, yeah, they blew the market up, but they had to give up draft compensation. Just imagine if they didn't have to give up draft compensation.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So now I can pay him. He might have got 45, $50 million a year. We don't know. Miles Garrett definitely getting more than the 40 million, but he's like, look, I'm here, I'm here. I just have no more guaranteed money. They're going to give me guaranteed money. 110, 115, whatever they gave him. But you really don't get an opportunity to see your true value, true free agent value until you hit the open market.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And because the thing is, Ocho, it's kind of like when you in one job, they can tell you what they're going to pay you because you're already gainfully employed somewhere else.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. When you become available, that price goes up.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because I'm on the market now. Hey, you've been with Alphabet, you've been in with, with, with Meta. You bidding with, you know, with Amazon, you bit. You bidding with Microsoft, you're bidding against others. Well, when I got, I got you. Right? So, Joe, I mean, yeah, nobody can't nobody do nothing.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got the franchise tag on you.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah, that's. That's the sad part, how they weaponize that franchise tag. And for one, it works. It works in. It works in the owners and the player's favor because at times it gives owners and, and their team, you know, time to try to negotiate, try to, to, to work out a contract. But just in this case, I'm understanding he can get what his true value is going to be. That's. That's all I'm saying. They're going to lowball them, they're going to disrespect them. If he was able to, if, if, if George Pickens was able to be inside those rooms and see how ownership really feels about you, they're going to bring up every little thing to say why we, we shouldn't pay him in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Vegas and you missed a bus. You remember there's a couple of meetings that you missed. You remember there's a couple of times that you was late to practice. You remember there's a couple of times. Now, I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

[Michael Smith]

No, they're going to use all that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Negative thing that you do.

[Michael Smith]

They bring that up, up when it's time to negotiate. That's why most of the time you don't want players sitting on room because you'll be pissed at how they truly feel about you. Yeah. As matter of fact, as man, I'm not, I'm. Listen, that stuff was told to me and do just so I'm not, I'm not going to mention. I'm just saying the top player, the top. I'm not talking about just know anybody. The top players in the NFL. When it was time for the played at the receiver position, I was told verbatim what was said about them. And it shocked me because. Do you know who that is? You talk about like that. That's how you really feel.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's why. That's why. That's why what? That's why you have someone to hear their side and can tell you your side. So you don't. I don't care what anybody says when they say when, when you could be an mvp. When they say, well, we don't thank you all of that or you haven't helped us advance past this.

[Michael Smith]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That leaves a sour taste in your mouth.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It just does.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because you're human. Oh, the chat say you have this energy for Jamar and T. Come again?

[Michael Smith]

Press play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The chat says you didn't have this energy for Jamar and Chase. I mean, Jamar and T. I mean.

[Michael Smith]

Yes, I did. I did. I said the same thing. And, and this, this situation is a little different because George Pickens has had issues. George Pickens has had, had troubles. He had troubles in Pittsburgh. He was Pissed. Unc. You got on him. I, I got on him. And now he goes to Dallas and shows what he. What he truly can do. And I understood what he could do if given the opportunity to do exactly what he can, you know, And I just, I just want, I just want to see him get paid. He's not going to get paid with what he deserves in Dallas. I mean, I'm not saying it in a disrespectful way. I'm just saying in a good thing for him finally getting his payday and his due justice after all the bull drive he's been through. Let's maximize that one opportunity, that one small window. You do have to make as much as you can, you know, and it's just not going to be able to happen in Dallas. That's all. Hey, I'm, you know, I'm not here to argue tonight. I, I, I did all my arguing yesterday. You know, I'm trying to stay nice, cool, calm, and collected.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It. It depends, Ocho. Yeah, it really depends. Do I think he can, he can pole vault Chase in Dallas? No, I don't.

[Michael Smith]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do. I thought if. I do. I think if he hit open market, he could do. Yes, absolutely. Damn close to it. Hold on. Absolutely.

[Michael Smith]

No, if it's open market, he gonna pole vote no matter what. He gonna reset the market.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, that's what I believe, but I don't believe. I don't believe he can get what you think he deserves.

[Michael Smith]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What he's earned based on the production that he's done. Because you got to realize now, he came in as the number two receiver. He came in. That's. I mean, CD Lamb was top. Was top dog. Now, he proved that. We knew he was a number one given the opportunities, but CD Lamb was, Was, Was wide receiver one. And we saw that early on who was getting the target. So. Joe.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They'll tell you who number one is based on how many targets you get. They'll tell you who's head of the house. Look at his plate. When it comes feeding time. Look at his plate. Who get the big piece of chicken? Who get the most rice? Who get the most rolls? Who get the most cornbread? Yeah. Who get the biggest glass of sweet tea? That's the head of the house.

[Michael Smith]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It just deals.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And so, But I, But I think, I think those two guys handle it very well, considering. Ocho, it's not like a situation where Chase and Higgins. It's not like a situation where you and tj.

[Michael Smith]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is a situation that you Brought another guy in. Hold on, let me show Abe.

[Michael Smith]

Hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not only did you bring, let y' all know who the big dog here.

[Michael Smith]

Hey, you, you didn't just bring somebody else in. You brought a true number one in and you already have a number one. So you can't have two alphas at the same position. You can't. And, and I, I think the upside. And what, and what? CD Lamb is very, very good. We talk about a top five, we talk about a top five player. When it comes down to it, when he's healthy. Now, George Pickens is also. When he's healthy and given the opportunities to play and, and get the balls and then pause, get, get, get the football, you know, the way he can, you know what he can do. He's a top five talent as well. I just, the, the, the, the, the, the value in, in, in him reaching his, in maximizing his full potential when it comes to dollars and cents, it's just not going to happen. And if they pay it more than they then cd, then it's going to be an issue.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I believe he's going to go north of 35 million. I don't believe. I think he's going to get more than A.J. brown. A.J. is at about 32, 33. He's jumping that. He's jumping that. And I see, you know, you guys talking about 30, 32 is all he's gonna get. No, he's not. He's going, he's going to leap. Cd what are y' all talking about? Yeah, because the difference, the difference is between cd. CD had years left on his contract. So theoretically, you give up, you give up some of that OO to get security right now because theoretically they can make you pay the contract out and franchise you. As I told you, they could possibly do to Micah. Yeah. So with CD was willing to give up. You know what? I'll take a little less to get the long term security. Well, George Pickens, you can't, you can't. You. I mean, he doesn't have anything. I mean he's like, I want long term security and I want this right now. So I want maximum value while I'm here. Excuse me. So we'll see. We'll see. I, me, me personally, Ocho, this is the one time that I think Jerry's going to be anxious to get a deal done because he real, because he real. Listen, Pick is doing a great job of playing the game. Now we know the situation with Mulaguetta and Micah. We understand that, but this guy here down the field because he could do it all. He could take a hitch route and go 80 or he can take the top off and go 60 over the top. They haven't had this in a long time. They haven't had this in a long time. Ocho. A big body with a huge catch radius.

[Michael Smith]

And so because you think, because they have that, you think all of a sudden.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm gonna be optimistic about Jerry this time.

[Michael Smith]

Man child, please. Listen, I love Jerry. And for somebody in the chat that just said they don't understand and I'm not making any sense. Let me, let me clear it up for you. And in, in, in, in my terms, George Pickens can get his true value in Dallas when you already have a number one receiver. Therefore, I prefer him to be able to hit the open market and get his true value somewhere else and actually have his own team and be a, a number one elsewhere. Understanding and knowing the game that Jerry's going to play, if you understand the business and you see how that Pacific owner has always worked when it came to playing players. That's all I'm saying. It should make clear sense. I can't break it down any simpler than what I just did. He's going to play games when it comes time to paying George Pickens. He is. He was playing games with the. Nevermind, don't worry about it. But y' all understand what I mean.

[Rob Gronkowski]

This is Rob Gronkowski and Julian Edelman.

[Julian Edelman]

From Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules.

[Rob Gronkowski]

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[Julian Edelman]

Like the workout? You can't tell.

[Rob Gronkowski]

No, I mean for your chips.

[Julian Edelman]

Oh, I knew that. Yeah, of course.

[Rob Gronkowski]

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[Julian Edelman]

Daisy, like the sour cream brand?

[Rob Gronkowski]

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[Julian Edelman]

Oh, Jules the chef. I love it.

[Rob Gronkowski]

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[Julian Edelman]

I like the sound of that. Everyone knows you need a good dip for game day. Personally, I like to dip everything I can. Veggies, crackers, chips. Heck, I might even dip a buffalo wing in there.

[Rob Gronkowski]

That reminds me, they also have Daisy's ranch dip.

[Julian Edelman]

Now you're speaking my language. Sundays on the couch just got even better.

[Rob Gronkowski]

Yup, seems like a no brainer on game day. So get out there and give the French onion dip a try. You won't regret it.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said today that the league had nothing to do with the vote for the Pro Football hall of Fame and and that he believes Belichick will eventually be inducted. There was speculation that the Belichick role in the Spygate scandal in 2007 and changes to the voting process might have contributed to at least 11 of the 50 voters opting against voting for Belichick. Belichick was in a group with Robert Kraft and three senior players, Ken Anderson, Roger Craig and LC Greenwood, with voters allowed to vote for one of only three candidates with 80% needed for support. We are not involved, goodell said. Bill Belichick record goes without saying. Same with Patriots owner Robert Kraft, who also who's also a candidate. There are speculation they have contributed so much to the Game and I believe they will be hall of Famers. Ojo.

[Michael Smith]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What's your take on what Commit said? Seemed like he was very PC, very political. We don't have anything and they don't listen.

[Michael Smith]

He's always going to be PC. It's his job. It's his job to be able to. To be on the fence about all these situations, especially something like this when he knows it's asinine. He knows, you know, you know, but Dale knows it's ridiculous that he wasn't. He wasn't voted in. Again. Those 50 voters, I feel they just have too much power. They have too much, too much power where when they do make a vote, someone should be able to read, go through the vote and look at it and say, you know what? I'm not sure. I need to see all those who in favor and said nay. When it came to Bill Belichick, when his name comes across that table of those 50 voters and they said, bill Belichick for the hall of Fame, it should be a unanimous decision across the board. The fact that he didn't go in because of personal reasons which had nothing to do with his resume and accolades and what he did on the field, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's ridiculous.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho. I didn't know that Bill Walsh wasn't the first ballot hall of Famer should have been. I didn't know that.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah. I wonder why, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

George Hallis, Chuck Noel, Tom Landry.

[Michael Smith]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don Shuler.

[Michael Smith]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Vince Lombardi. Those are the five coaches in the history of coaching in the NFL that have gone in on the first ballot. I thought he would. I did. I did think he would get in, but I knew that a lot of people still hold that Spygate and Spygate was worse than they let on. It was. Now, I'm not telling you what's up. I'm telling you it was. There's a reason why they sent those people there and they destroyed the tapes. Don't bring them back. Destroy them there. It was worse. And I knew that they were going to hold that against him. I didn't know that it would keep him out. I didn't, you know, I thought, you know, hey, it wasn't going to be 100%. Tom Brady going get. Probably Peyton Manning got 100 of the votes. You know, everybody. I mean, he got 100.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mahomes going to get 100. I mean, some, some people just like, okay. And I thought that would be code. I thought Coach Belichick would probably get 90% of the votes, right? Because there. There are some. There are some people. And again, again, Ocho, all those times that Coach Belichick was cavalier, he was smug, he was condescending. You're being condescending to the people that's going to have to vote for you. We just saw a situation with Tracy Morgan. Now, this young man fell. Fall on hard fellow hard times. But when he was younger, you see. Now you see how the roles reversed.

[Michael Smith]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I believe that's what happened. And I'm just. I'm disappointed, but I'm not. I'm not as upset about Coach Belichick not getting it as I was to. Right, because they changed the rules. They didn't change no rules for Coach Belichick.

[Michael Smith]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You get through the candidates, you get to vote for one. That's it. They changed the rules to keep to out. And you say, you know what? They dead ass wrong. But if you say, you know what, Ocho, he ain't in the first ballot, you make him wait again. Just because. Yeah, just because.

[Michael Smith]

And you wonder why he held his own ceremony. And you wonder why he had his own ceremony.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'll never understand that. And I don't care. Don't. Don't do that. Don't change the. Ocho. You change the rules to keep me. I'm about to win. And you change the rules. Mid. Mid. It was. I could see if it was in the bylaws before, but now all of a sudden, when to. Now, what you did on the fee on the sidelines, right? You. Your behavior in the locker rooms. There were some players that had more egregious behavior off the field than to ever displayed in a locker room or on a sideline. Right. And it didn't inhibit them from getting in on the first ballot. Now, I'm going to go to Mr. Kraft. And Chad, don't take. Miss this the wrong way. I'm trying to. I'm trying to ask y' all New Orleans Fans, your owner, Mr. Benson is in the hall of fame. Now, you tell me what he did that's so much greater than what Mr. Kraft has done that warned him getting in before Mr. Crow. But I believe that alone.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm already. Ocho. The NFL ain't pleased with me right now, so I'm gonna leave that alone. But I know how he got in.

[Michael Smith]

They not pleased with you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They're not pleased with me right now. What you did. I ain't do nothing. I ain't do nothing. I ain't do nothing.

[Michael Smith]

Oh, well, you know, listen, anybody that. That got a problem with you, then they got a problem with me. Send them on my way. I deal with them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So that's. That's. I mean, that's. That's the issue. I mean, you look at some of these owners that's gotten in. The man brought the team, if I'm not mistaken, in 1993. They went to their first Super bowl in 1996.

[Michael Smith]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Since 1996, they've gone to 12 Super Bowls.

[Michael Smith]

That's crazy work, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No other team has gone to that many since the super bowl was instituted. If I'm not mistaken, in 1966.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They went to that many in 30 years.

[Michael Smith]

That's crazy. And hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then when you factor in how many times they lost the eight. So think about it. He's on the team for about 33 years. They've lost three AFC championship games to the. The Broncos and the Colts. So that have been 15. So they've been about one every one. In every other year. You can count on the patriots being an AFC championship game in about 1 and 2.2 years, they're in a Super Bowl.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that can't get that man in.

[Michael Smith]

The hall of Fame again. Too much power. Too much power. And then when you have that kind of power, you abuse.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It.

[Michael Smith]

Would never get him. People to satisfaction. Try, please.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So. And that's what I. I'm looking. I'm like, hold on. I look. Everybody. Every man has a flaw. Every. Every. Every individual has a flaw. Nobody's perfect. And the. Mr. Kraft has flaws. But we're basing it on. We're not saying how flawed the individual is. We're basing it on his resume and what he's done and what he's added to the. Because he's a contributor. What has he added to the National Football League?

[Michael Smith]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Based on what his teams have been able to do now. Are you holding. Are you holding Spygate and deflate gate? I can assure you he had nothing to do with it. He don't know nothing. Coach Belichick had him throw. Had him frozen out. They're diametrically opposed. They're up. They're so opposite of each other. Yeah, they're so opposite.

[Michael Smith]

Hey. Oh, you ain't got to tell me. I know that. I know that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's. Mr. Kraft is more. And. And I don't. I don't know if he's going to get in. We'll know Thursday whether or not he gets in or not. I'm hoping. I like Mr. Kraft. He's always been great to me. He's always been great to me. Every time I see him, he give you a hug. I want those shoes. I wanted the Air Force ones that he have all the. The Lombardy trophies on the tongue. I hit him up. I said, Mr. Crow got his secondary, and he had him. Had him call me back and ask what size do I wear? And he sent me. He's probably sent me two pair. I don't bother him that much because, you know, sometimes, Ocho, when you. When. When you ask people for things, they expect favor. They expect, you know, the Curry favor, and you don't say things. But at the end of the day, I got to do my job.

[Michael Smith]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And if. If somebody's right, somebody's right. If somebody's wrong, there's. Somebody's wrong. And I got in trouble with CBS because who did they play? I'm trying to think who they played. They might have played. I forget who they played. And they ended up losing. It might have been. It might have been the Colts. It might have been the Colts, right? And you know, Ocho, when you lose. When you lose, the coach always. I saw Rex Ryan do it. I saw Tony Dungey do it. I've seen so many. Tom. I've seen so many coaches, right, Stand in front of the media and say, what happened? But not Coach Belichick. He was saying, guys you ain't never heard of. I'm talking about special. I'm not talking about Matthew Slater. I'm talking about special teams guy that you're like. I'm like, nah, that ain't right. Right. I said. And I said it. I said it on air chat. Y' all can go pull it up. I say, Coach Belichick makes it real easy for you to root against the Patriots is because of this type of behavior with every other coach that's feeling the same emotions of losing that. Their dreams, that their team is not going to be able to advance, and they have to go stand outside of the locker room and face the media. Now, all of a sudden, because you got a couple of Super Bowls, you're too big for that. You're better than that. Right? I couldn't get. I couldn't get along with that. I could. I've never. I'm. I'm never. I'm never. And. But all that being said, I still think he should have been. Gotten in on the first ballot.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So there ain't gonna be no coaches getting on the first ballot. I mean, you put Andy in on the first ballot.

[Michael Smith]

You know, they've showed you. They do what they want to do. They showed you. And they don't care nothing about the backlash. They don't care. We are in power. We're in control.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Michael Smith]

We gonna pick and choose again. That's. That's part of the power dynamic that they have.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Michael Smith]

If we want Andy to go in on the first ballot, we're gonna put him on the first ballot. You know what? We don't like Belichick. We not letting him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no. But he. But Ocho, you know how some people make it real easy for you to root against them for. For you. Make it real easy for you not to like them? That's Coach Belichick now, like I said, seeing him outside of. When he's not in that mode.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Seeing him at the Pro bowl or seeing him at other functions where he's not having to keep that game face on. He doesn't have to keep that stoic look. He's unbelievable.

[Michael Smith]

Different person.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's unbelievable. Yeah.

[Michael Smith]

Different person. But that. It's not a popularity contest. It's not about whether I like you or whether I don't. That's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. It was about when they. They lost the AFC Championship game to Baltimore. Yeah, that's what happened when they lost to Baltimore that year. It was just like, I just. But, I mean, there's nothing there. There's, like I said, the end up. It's not the NFL hall of Fame. It's the Pro Football hall of Fame.

[Michael Smith]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And. And. And. But that's what happened when it's subjective. It's kind of like. See, if. If you saying both, it ain't gonna never go to the judges. But when you're doing platform diving, you're doing gymnastics.

[Michael Smith]

What.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's subjective. You got judges. You got the Romanian judge. They might think it's a 10. You got the Bulgarian or the Belarus. The Belarusian judge, Right. Think it's a 9.3. We saw two different things, right? Well, I ain't got to see nothing. I saw you saying boss to cross the line first. That's what I saw. He the winner. It's just. I. Hey, look, I. I think these things. I mean, look, I'm old enough to remember all these guys. I. I saw the. Probably the last. I remember Roger Craig. Roger Craig was a. From Nebraska. So I remember. I remember Raj. He's the first guy to catch 4000 and rush 4000 in the same season in 1985, if I'm not mistaken. I remember Ken Anderson, your Quarterback from the Cincinnati Bengals. When the MVP, he lost in the Super bowl to the. The 49ers in Detroit. When it was played, the game was played at the Silver Doll, the Pontiac Silver Dome. I don't know if you remember the Silver Dome. Yes, it's tore it down. And I remember L.C. greenwood, number 68.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He legit now. Sometimes, you know how it is when you play with other great players. Sometimes it can diminish your shine. You playing with Mean Joe Green, a two time defensive player of the year. Jack Lambert, defensive player of the year.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mel Blunt, defensive player of the year. They changed the game for Mel because Mel was so physical. Mel was 6, 3, 6, 4, 2, oh 5. He was literally jamming receivers down the field, throwing them out. The incidental contact. No, that's him. That's Mel Blunt. Right. So when you got all of those. L.C. because Joe Green. Mean Joe, you got to think that. Mean Joe.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everybody with the commercial, the co commercial here can't catch. So a lot of these guys overshadowed LC but for the longest, LC Was the. He was the leading soccer before James Harrison broke his record.

[Michael Smith]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And they had some great players on that team. Kevin Green, they had a. Jason Gildon, they had Peasy, they've had G. Lloyd, Greg.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mike Meriwether, they had. They had some really good line. The Steelers have always been known for linebackers, so they've had some really great players on that team. I mean, look at all the defensive players of the year. They had Rod, Rod Wilson was a defensive player of the year. Trail Palomalu was a defensive player of the year. James has no, I don't believe no team has had more defensive players a year than the Pittsburgh Steelers.

[Michael Smith]

They're Steelers. Yeah, they've had some good ones.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, and they were getting, I mean, look, I mean sometimes you might have a guy, but you got Joe Green winning one year, then Jack Lambert winning the next year, Mel Blunt winning the next year, then Joe Green wins it again. You're like, come on, man, how. But that's how good they were. Yeah, but the guy that would lead them in sacks was LC but look, like, like, like Roger said, commish, they'll get in. But it's something, it's something about, you know, everybody wants that first ballot because there are so few that actually get in on the first ballot. So me, Ocho. Hey, was I disappointed? Yes. Because I think I had done enough when I left. No tight end could say they had all the records, most yards, most catches, most touchdowns.

[Michael Smith]

Most.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Most Super Bowls, all Pros, Pro Bowls. Okay, then get in. Didn't get in like at that point in time. Now. Okay, ain't nothing I can do on you. I can't go back out there and get no more yards.

[Michael Smith]

Right, King?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I don't. I mean, if I. If I could tell coach anything, say, coach, hey, ain't nothing you could do. You did everything that you. You did what you were supposed to do, which was win. Hey, now it's up to somebody else to do what they're supposed to do, which is put you in.

[Michael Smith]

Listen, knowing Bill.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, it bothers him because his confidant says, what do I have? So. So six Super Bowls isn't enough. So he knows Ocho because that is. It's a thing. Because there's so few think of Ocho when it came to coaches. He was one of the hundred. He's one of the. Remember they had the. That with that 100th anniversary team?

[Michael Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who was the coach?

[Michael Smith]

Yeah, I understand what you mean.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Probably if you think about it, Ocho, I don't think Marvin got it. Did Marvin Harrison get in on the first ballot? Most of the guy. John Randall, I think was all player, and he didn't get on the first ballot. But you looking at Joe Green and you looking at some of these guys that Marvin got in the third year. I don't think Blunt was a first ballot. Was Mel Blunt the first ballot? I don't think Mel was the first ballot. Four Super Bowls, they had to change the rules for Mojo. Yeah, he was first ballot. So it is what it is now, Ocho. Ain't nothing we can do. Ain't nothing we can do. There ain't gonna be another vote. And everybody. Now, see, not everybody. It should be known who voted against Coach Belichick. Y' all didn't want make that concession for. To let us see who voted against to. If that's what we doing. Is that what we doing, Ocho?

[Michael Smith]

Whatever they want to do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just checking because they want to make it seem like it's so egregious and like to just like. I mean, there are a few guys. I mean, I had a platform at the time I was on. I was on Undisputed, so I had a platform that I can voice it. And I know Skip. That was something Skip wanted to talk about. I wanted to talk about it as well. I knew where he. And just because he was on that side of the fence, that doesn't mean that we talked about it because he was over here. And I was over there. I just, I. I'm smack dab. I'm old enough to to came. I was already in the league. I was already established and seeing what he was able to do. They moved on for Jerry for TO. Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah, they moved on from the greatest receiver ever for TO Yeah, that's how great he was. I don't think people realize because, you know, you look at how he was going at it back and forth on the sideline with the offensive coordinators or the quarterback coach or maybe some of the things that he said about Jeff Garcia and he was saying about Donovan. But I don't think y' all have any idea how great TO was.

[Michael Smith]

Oh, I know. So I got to see him for 11 years straight. Ain't got a year to play with him. So I already know y' all have.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No idea how great this man was. Great. Great. He's still only one of three men that would have 150 plus touchdown catches with a threat anywhere on the field. Smoke route, slant route, could get deep, could run the over route and split the seam and hit his head on the goal post. And he was more than a willing participant in the run game. Block his ass off. And I never question man to slack. Nope. You know what you got with to he gonna give it to you every single Sunday.

[Michael Smith]

Oh yeah.

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Okay what ocho one day after the NFL coaching carousel stopped with 10 head coaching jobs, Phil but only one minority candidate, commissioner Roger Goodell said the league would take a closer look at the Rooney Rule. Thor in the Trash I think we've become more diverse league across every platform including coaching, but we still have more work to do. There are a lot they got to be more steps. We're reevaluating everything we're doing, including the accelerator program, including every aspect of our policies in our program to meet the challenges of today and tomorrow rather than yesterday. We need to be looking at and why do we have these results this year? Goodell said that every team was Rooney Rule compliant in the head coaching cycle and that he believes every team with a head coach opening exceeded the Rooney Rule this year by interviewing more than the requisite two minority candidates. Robert Sala, whose Lebanese descent was the only minority candidate to land a top job with no other black head coaches hired. It was the fifth time since the Rooney Rule was instituted that there Were no black head coaches were hired during an off season training cycle. You can put all the rules in place that you want to.

[Michael Smith]

It don't matter.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm a hire who I want to hire.

[Michael Smith]

My point exactly. I don't know why we keep going through. We keep having to jump through hoops. We keep having to jump through hoops. And they keep showing you what we don't want you. They put these rules in place just to have something to abide by here. Here goes some rules just to make you happy whether you qualify for the job or not. They don't want you in those positions. And being leader of men, they just don't. And the positions that they do give you is teams that are not that good. And your lease is going to be too goddamn short and you're going to get fired. They just like here. Damn. So we can shut everybody up. If they don't want you in those positions, why do we continuously fight and argument, claw and scratch to be where they don't want us? I don't understand. We gripe about the same thing every hiring cycle. Oh, no. Black people hired. Oh my God. Yet again, oh, we're surprised. Everything we fuss about the same goddamn thing every goddamn cycle. They don't want us in those positions. Why we continue to try to knock down the door where we're not welcome? My goodness.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho. More times than not, when you're dealing, you hire people that look like you, talk like you, hang around in circles like you. Word of mouth, such and such is really, really good. That's why they go to the, the Senior bowl and meet and mingle me in my hiring. I don't really do a whole lot. Actually, this is my recommendation. I think this is the best part. I don't care if you're a woman. I, I'll. If, if, if necessary, I'll hire 10, 12 women, black, white. I want the best person for the job. Work hard, be on time. That's my only thing. Ain't got a whole lot of rules. I mean, you ain't got no rules. That'd be the only people that I see is Jordan, Ash. Everybody else, they live where they live. But when it's time with a. When it's time to do what we need to do, we got to get it done. So I don't care, I don't care what your gender is. I don't care what your race is. I don't care what your orientation is. I don't give a damn about any of that. I want the best People in the job.

[Michael Smith]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's it. That's all I want, Ocho. That's it.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, hey, Ash. They go. They. Hey, you explain to them what's expected. What? You heard him. What the hell? She told me I'm the only white person on the team. You had them the hell? Yeah. Hey, they might. Hey, they might. They might try to close me down, so. But I got too much dei. I'm the only white person. You hired everybody But Jordan. Yeah. 16 person staff. You the only white person? Yes, yes. We have how many women we got two. Well, you hired them. Well, theoretically. Real is our staff, too. Oh, we count real. So we got three. But now we. We got to keep fighting. Ocho. It's kind of. Ocho. You remember Ocho. You remember how it was with in. In the six? You weren't born in the 60s, but I was there.

[Michael Smith]

I was there. I did my homework. I went. I went to history class. I know. I know what it was like. Come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I. I think the thing is, is that, is that even though we only got one, if you. If you considering Robert Sala, who's of Lebanese descent as a minority, and he is. But just because we didn't. Because think about how many times we got turned away in the 60s with the Jim Crow and got. And Dr. King and so many others that kept fighting, kept scratching just to get a hope. Because I remember it so vividly. My grandfather say, son, you can be anything that you want to, but you're never going to be able to be president because they ain't never letting a white. A black man in that white House. Okay. I believed it, too. Well, considering in 250 years we've only had one.

[Michael Smith]

Da.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Da.

[Michael Smith]

Again. Again. That's one of. That's one of those moments. God damn. Here. So we can shut y' all up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Because that's.

[Michael Smith]

Come on, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you think about Ocho, they always go back that you had a black president two terms. Well, we've had 45 white presidents.

[Michael Smith]

Listen, if someone continuously shows me continuously, over and over and over and over, we don't want you in these positions. And when they do, when they do give you the op. The opportunity to be in those said positions, it's always on the team.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You go into the jets, you go into the Arizona, they don't have a quarterback. You go in places that don't have a quarterback, and they know you cannot win long term without a quarterback. Look at Steve Wilkes. Listen, look at David Cully. David Cully got the Job for six months at Houston, Texas. Now, now they have since d' Amico and d' Amico's done an unbelievable job. D' Amico has a quarterback. Look at Steve Wilkes. Terrible quarterback, fired after one year. Now they bring in Cliff Kingsbury, he gets Kyler Murray. He's able to stay two, three, four years, whatever the case may be. So without a quarterback, you're not winning. I don't give a damn. Black, white, yellow, purple, Lebanese, Haitian, don't matter.

[Michael Smith]

It doesn't matter. And listen, I love fighting a good fight. I always have. I love fighting a good fight because I've had to fight it as well. But I was able to march to the beat of my own drum, you know, And I, I understand the power dynamic when those who do the hiring is none of us. It's none of us in there, right? They're not like minded like us. They don't see what we see. They view it and are more comfortable going with those that look like them. It has always been like that and it will always be like that. And I just don't like the fact that we, we cry and we holler every time a hiring cycle comes around and say, oh, none of us got hired. Well, no fucking shit they don't want us in those positions.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, we're not in a position. We're not. First of all, there are not a lot of us in the position of hiring the head coach.

[Michael Smith]

Can I ask you a question?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Michael Smith]

How many of us are owners? None. How many of us are in position to do the hiring in general?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, I'm trying to fake. Maybe the guy Detroit, maybe the guy Ryan Poles in Chicago. I'm trying to, I'm trying to think of black GMS Holmes. I think Holmes is the guy in Detroit poses the guy in, in Chicago. Off the top of my head, Ocho, I can't think of any others. Mensa got relieved of his duties. So I. Off the top of my head, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't. But we ain't giving up, Ocho.

[Michael Smith]

No, no, no. You know, I mean, hey, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Listen, you don't have to give up because they gonna. Listen, every blue moon they're gonna be. They're gonna give you. Well, damn, here you go. Every blue moon just to shut everybody up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's what they got.

[Michael Smith]

That's what they continuously do. Damn, here y' all go. Shut up. That's what they do every time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And we fall in Cleveland. Who? Andrew Barry in Cleveland.

[Michael Smith]

Ah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look, I, I get it. It's just tough when you talk about a league that's 70%. I think the NBA. The NBA. You see a lot of black coaches. It's always been that way.

[Michael Smith]

Oh, that. Oh, that's a different ball game over there. That's a completely different ball game over there in the NBA. Do you think it would ever look like the NBA will ever look like the inner. Absolutely not. Because those who are in position to do the hiring are, Are hiring those like them. In matter of fact, what happens is when their coaches get fired, you're always going to have a job somewhere else. Always. Once you come from that tree, if the branch breaks, you good. I got you. Look at it. Look, it's been going on the same exact way. Coaches that have had no success at other places get a job like this right away. They do right away. They do right away. And the black coaches that, that have had constant success, look at the team that they had at their disposal. Mike Tomlin, 18, 19 years.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He probably could have some more years if he, if he would have, if he could have parlayed like. Okay, Roethlisberger. Roethlisberger is getting old. Not caring about upsetting Roth and having.

[Michael Smith]

A quarterback in place at.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think Green Bay gave you the perfect example. You can't be afraid to piss off because, okay, if I don't piss off Brett Favre and I don't draft Aaron Rodgers, I'm in purgatory. Yeah. No, I ain't in purgatory. I'm in hell. Purgatory is in between heaven and hell. You're in hell. Yeah. But guess what? You piss off Brett Favre and you draft Aaron Rodgers, and now you got a Bridge for 18 years.

[Michael Smith]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, you piss off Aaron Rodgers and you draft Jordan Love. Now you got a bridge. They didn't do that in Pittsburgh. Yeah, and then they tried to piece. They tried to piece it with, with, with, with Mason Rudolph and, and, and Cody Pickett and, and, and, and, And Justin Fields. It's just not gonna work, man.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah, I mean, listen, it's hard. I, I love, I love the good fight that we talk about. I love that we want us in positions of power. I love that we want us being leaders of men and being head coaches of football teams. But the situations that they give us, the opportunities that they give us are not ideal. They're not ideal. And most of the time your lease is short. Maybe two, maybe three years at most, at best. And after that, eh, that's it, that's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I agree, I agree. You're not going to get anything for me. But Ocho, we can't give up.

[Michael Smith]

Oh no, I didn't say, I didn't say give up. I'm just telling you the they doing and they doing it right in our face. Yeah, they got all these, they listen, they got all these rules in place and all this, all this performative bull jive that make it seem like they really come on man. They playing right in our face. Ah, well, we have rules set in place. Well we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we interviewed them. You know, he just wasn't qualified for us to get the most of the time we over qualified for the job and they still gonna hide a friend anyway.

[Shannon Sharpe]

True.

[Michael Smith]

Somebody at that point it's all on who you know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. And but, but that's the thing like for the Cowboys. I ain't even going there. Jerry ain't putting no black man no head coach, so I ain't even going there. He tried to have Marvin Lewis coming there. He know that. I mean just, just to, to meet the Rooney rule. He ain't gonna hire no Marvin Lewis. He hired no black guy.

[Michael Smith]

Not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I ain't even interviewing for that one. Unless you want a free trip. You want a free trip on the private jet and you go to see Dallas. You got some relatives in Dallas. Hey, I'm coming in. I'm interview for the cowboy job. Hey, I'm gonna, let's, let's go to dinner, so forth so on. But other than that, I'm not interviewing no Dallas.

[Michael Smith]

Oh, I, I really can't say what I want to say. And I love topics like this. I really do. And most of the time you think, you know, I play around a lot. I entertain, I have jokes, I make. I make fun of a lot of stuff. But it, you can tell by my voice and my tone is I, I hate the game that they play and the fact that people can't see the game that they play. Instead of peeling back all the layers on how they do us purpose. No you don't, don't worry about it. I want to piss off the wrong people.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey.

[Michael Smith]

It'S all a game. Huh? It's all a game. And I'm not sure how we can't see it. We continue arguing. Then you say, oh Ocho, you are the problem. No, I'm not the problem because I'm not in position to be doing the goddamn hiring. Because that was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I ain't. No, no, we might be. We are the problem because we keep bringing it up. We're just not in a position to be the solution. And y' all keep talking about, oh, qualified, qualified, qualified. I don't know if y' all noticed, but there's a lot of people that's important positions today that's running a lot of stuff that ain't qualified, ain't nearly qualified.

[Michael Smith]

And let me ask you a question. And how are they getting those jobs? Come on, man. Come on now. Yeah, come on now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The people that I knew. Yes. It's easy as a Did I think Ash could do the job? Yes. Would this job ever open to anybody else? No. No, it wasn't. I ain't finished it. Inside to you cj, My producer at Club Shay Shay. I knew cj. I worked with CJ and Fox. Was that job open to anyone else? No. That's how it works. 85% of the jobs are never listed. Hey, Ocho, man, they got a job opening over here. You know somebody looking for a job? Yeah, now that you mentioned, yeah. Yeah, okay. Have them to give me a call.

[Michael Smith]

Hey, what it. So all the game, man?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it's all the game and some.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Joe, we had a situation last year and you and I, we both felt bad for Gerard Mayo. But I said given the choice, Gerard Mayo or Mike Vrabel. You're hiring Mike Vrabel? You just are. I mean, look, now he's gonna get paid. I mean, I don't know. I think he signed a five year deal. So he gonna get his money for the next five years. If I'm here, man, I'm done coaching all my staff. Hey, y' all can find your job if you want to, but I ain't. I'm gonna raise these kids.

[Michael Smith]

Philip.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like I said, I mean, Philip Rivers never caught Philip Rivers got an interview with the Buffalo Bills. With the Buffalo Bills.

[Michael Smith]

Didn't Byron left his co coach super bowl team call the plays? Didn't Byron Leftwich coach a Super bowl winning team?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He did.

[Michael Smith]

But Philip Rivers got off the couch from coaching the high school team, came in, played a few games, hurt himself and when the season ended, he still got an interview. With who?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Buffalo Bills, man.

[Michael Smith]

It's a game, man. I mean how can are y' all are. Y' all are we pay. Let me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me get and what did a year. It was a year after he had called plays for the super bowl winning team. He was. He wasn't even offensive coordinator no more. He was out of the league. If I'm not Mistaken. He's on time staff at cu.

[Michael Smith]

It's right there in your face. Is right there in your face. They keep playing the game and we keep falling for it with the same rhetoric every time a hiring cycle comes along. Oh, they didn't hire none. Let me grab a Red Bull, please.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Y' all keep feeling. I just want to know, do y' all think that a guy that's never called plays, that's never coached, that looks like Ocho and I will get an opportunity for a head coaching interview in the NFL?

[Michael Smith]

Oh, keep fighting, keep fighting, keep fighting, keep fighting.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I want to chat. I want y'.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

I want y' all to tell me, do y' all think someone that looks like Ocho and I, that's never called plays in the NFL, never called at the collegiate level. We're coaching high school football. Would get an opportunity to go interview for a head coaching job in NFL.

[Michael Smith]

Playing the game right in your face.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just asking. This is simple yes or simple no.

[Michael Smith]

Like, come on, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And. And. And Philip Rivers might be qualified, but somebody might be qualified, but if you don't give them an opportunity, you won't ever know. That's what we're saying. I remember, you know, the league do it wouldn't let people like OO and I in. They couldn't think and they couldn't do this. You, first of all, you couldn't play the center position. You could play a running back. You could be a wide receiver, you could be a db, but you couldn't play center because you had to make the line call. You couldn't play quarterback. That was forgiven. Think about how many guys quarterbacks in college and they had to tra. They had to move to wide receiver, running back, or db. Wasn't until. It wasn't until Doug Williams won the super. Like, hold on. You mean to tell me they can win the Super Bowl? Well, she. I better go get me one. That's. That's. That's how it's copycat league, Ocho. And then you start seeing it happen with greater regularity.

[Michael Smith]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Russ win and my homeboy win two or three. Jalen hurts winning like. Well, damn. Okay, we might be on to something now. We have more black starting quarterbacks in the NFL than at any point in time in. In the history of the NFL. All because why someone gave one an opportunity.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm not saying you got to make special provisions.

[Michael Smith]

No, no, no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Give me a chance.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah. And the game itself has evolved and more suited to those that are a little Bit more athletic that. To those that. A little bit more that are dual threats, you know. So again, that's another reason why more opportunities are being suited in case for those that look like us.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But they told my own something, man. You're gonna have to like. I don't know who. Well, you would have. I mean, I mean the, the, the, the, the Seahawks are probably going to sell for seven, seven and a half billion dollars, maybe even eight. So you're gonna have to, you're gonna have to. Look, you're gonna have to get a lot of people. Oprah, Robert Smith, Jay Z. You're gonna have to get some people to a. What y', all, what y' all trying to do? Because the price is not coming down, Ocho. I mean seven and a half. I mean the Washington Commanders just sold for six billion. That was two years ago. Now the price is about to be seven, seven and a half, maybe even eight in two years.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah, it's a different game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Steven Ross says someone offered him 15 billion for the Dolphins.

[Michael Smith]

You said no bueno.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, no bueno. Because NFL teams print money. They print money.

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