Nightcap Hour 1: Giants ROOKIE DUO Jaxson Dart & Cam Skattebo TAKE DOWN Eagles + Athlos Founder ALEXIS OHANIAN launches TRACK & FIELD event in NYC

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1 (October 10, 2025)

Episode Overview

This dynamic episode of Club Shay Shay’s “Nightcap” dives into two big stories: the resounding victory of the New York Giants' rookie duo, Jaxson Dart and Cam Skattebo, over the Philadelphia Eagles, and an in-depth conversation with Alexis Ohanian (co-founder of Reddit and founder of Athlos) about building a premier women’s track & field event in New York City. Hall of Famer Shannon Sharpe and NFL legend Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson bring their signature energy, sharp insights, playful banter, and veteran perspective to both sports commentary and their special guest interview.

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Giants vs. Eagles: Rookie Takeover and Eagles’ Stumbles

Key Discussion Points

• Dominant Giants Performance

  • The rookie backfield duo, Jaxson Dart (QB) and Cam “Scat Pack” Skattebo (RB), lead the Giants to a decisive win over the defending Super Bowl champs, the Philadelphia Eagles (00:56–12:53).
  • Dart’s stats: 17/25, 195 yards, 1 TD; 13 carries, 58 yards, 1 rushing TD. Skattebo: 19 carries, 98 yards, 3 TDs.
  • Strong chemistry and improvisation between the rookies impressed both hosts:
    • “[Jackson Dart's] making the throws, he's reading, he's improvising, he's escaping… the combination of him and Skattebo together, it's like two little kids out there on the playground just enjoying the game of football at the highest level. And it's refreshing.” (Chad, 05:21)
  • The Giants’ offensive line, formerly considered a major weakness, offered solid protection this game.

• Eagles’ Struggles & Predictability

  • The Eagles’ offense looked stale and overly reliant on specific plays and short routes.
  • Questions persisted about A.J. Brown’s route usage and overall offensive creativity:
    • “Is that the only route y'all believe A.J. Brown can run? …I don’t see no imagination in the routes… Give me a dig, give me a comeback. Give me a deep over. Give me something.” (Shannon, 10:39)
  • Jalen Hurts’ performance was steady but hampered by overthrows and lack of dynamic play design. A costly late pass nearly resulted in a turnover.

• Defensive Analyses

  • Giants’ defense did enough, but both hosts note the need for more consistency in the pass rush.
  • Eagles’ toughness diminished; the new season reveals vulnerabilities exposed by opponents no longer awed by their championship pedigree.
    • “You have to really turn your mind off to, like, maybe we won the Super Bowl. That was last year… now teams base how good they are on whether or not they beat them.” (Shannon, 14:12)

• Giants’ Fans and Future

  • Excitement for Giants supporters is running high, while the hosts caution both teams have work to do before the season’s end.
    • “If we could protect the ball, I think we might got something.” (Shannon, 08:07)

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Eagles’ Internal Issues and Player Unrest

Key Discussion Points

• Locker Room and Play Calling Drama

  • Discussion on offensive coordinator Brian Petullo’s role, whether head coach Nick Sirianni should take over play-calling, and the implications of such a move (“it sends [him] into panic mode,” Chad, 26:30).
  • Suggestions to incorporate players like A.J. Brown more by soliciting their favorite routes and input.

• Player Frustration & Media Leaks

  • Wide receiver frustration (especially A.J. Brown and DeVonta Smith) over touches and scheme.
    • “Stats get me paid, not wins.” (Shannon, 31:16)
  • The need to keep grievances internal: “When you keep it in house, don't nobody know…what’s actually being said, you know, what. And how to fix it. But then once it gets out…now everybody has their own interpretation.” (Shannon, 32:10)
  • Social media’s increasing impact on real-time locker room emotions and league narratives.

• Tush Push Debate

  • Micah Parsons’ criticism of the Eagles’ “tush push” play (quarterback sneak):
    • “If you can’t stop it, don’t knock it. …Find a way to stop it.” (Chad, 37:13)
    • “The Eagles do the tush push better than any other football team does anything else.” (Shannon, 38:06)

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Alexis Ohanian: Championing Women's Track & Field (39:20–59:32)

Alexis’ Vision for Women’s Athletic Visibility

• Athlos Track Event Launch

  • Ohanian, inspired by his marriage to Serena Williams and women’s tennis as a model, launches Athlos—a premier, women-only track & field event in NYC, aiming to spotlight elite athletes far more than the Olympics’ once-every-four-years rhythm.
    • “If there are eyeballs, there are dollars. …Every four years, these ladies are superstars. We tune in during the Olympics …then they disappear. And I'm just a businessman. All I want to do is see greatness continue to get celebrated.” (Alexis, 41:02)

• Addressing Lack of Year-Round Attention

  • Draws a parallel to tennis’ success—with regular visibility and equal pay for women fostering the rise of Serena and Venus Williams.
  • Track athletes like Melissa Jefferson, Anna Hall, Tara Davis-Woodhall, and others mentioned as role models and trailblazers now given a stage.

• Innovative Team-Based League

  • Plans for a team-based women’s track league, likened to Formula 1—with apparel or brand-based rosters (e.g., “Nike team,” “New Balance team”).
    • “It’ll be a team-based track and field league… instead of just one meet, we're gonna have multiple meets in major cities. Think of it like the Formula One of track and field.” (Alexis, 47:25)
    • Envisions buying jerseys and athlete-branded apparel, building loyalty and visibility akin to traditional sports.

• Athlete Pay & Recognition

  • Ohanian stresses that “None of this is about charity,” but reflects an under-leveraged market:
    • “Millions and millions of people [watch the Olympics]…We had 3 million people on broadcast [for Athlos] last year…we want to see these women compete regularly, not just every four years.” (Alexis, 45:28)

Personal Moments

• Serena & Alexis: A Power Couple

  • Alexis shares the story of meeting Serena, navigating public and family reaction, and the challenges of being from different professional worlds.
    • “We're incredibly competitive in very different ways. …I see, I mean, the role model she is for our daughters. You couldn't ask for a better, better mother for your children.” (Alexis, 52:12, 53:34)

• Reflections on Celebrity & Family

  • Emphasis on valuing simple joys over fame and public recognition, even at the heights of global stardom.

• Serena to Present Athlos Prizes

  • Announcement that Serena Williams will present the winner’s Tiffany crown at this year’s Athlos meet, adding extra star power and visibility (59:18).

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “Jackson Dart is the real deal and he's very exciting. The combination of him and Skattebo together—it's like two kids out there on the playground just enjoying the game.” — Chad (05:21)
• “Is that the only route y'all believe A.J. Brown can run? … Give me a dig, give me a comeback. Give me a deep over. Give me something!” — Shannon (10:39)
• “Stats get me paid, not wins.” — Shannon (31:16)
• “If you can't stop it, don't knock it.” — Chad, on the tush push (37:13)
• “If there are eyeballs, there are dollars. …All I want to do is see greatness continue to get celebrated.” — Alexis Ohanian (41:02)
• “Track and field is one of the most viewed sports during the Summer Olympics… We want to see these women compete regularly, not just every four years.” — Alexis (45:28)
• “Think of it like the Formula One of track and field.” — Alexis (47:25)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:56–12:53 — Giants' rookies’ breakout performances, Eagles' struggles, analysis of game flow, and player performances
• 12:55–19:44 — Eagles’ offense, coaching decisions, and the importance of creative play-calling
• 24:11–32:10 — Locker room dynamics, player frustrations, and media leaks
• 37:01–38:44 — The “tush push” controversy and debates on strategic football plays
• 39:20–59:32 — Alexis Ohanian interview: Athlos, women’s track and field vision, personal stories, and growth of women’s sports

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Episode Summary

This Club Shay Shay Nightcap delivers a blend of expert football analysis and cultural sports conversation: the emergence of the Giants’ rookie backfield as a force, the exposed flaws of the Eagles’ repeat ambitions, and a forward-thinking blueprint for amplifying women’s sports in America. Alexis Ohanian’s guest spot bridges sports innovation and personal storytelling, making this an episode that celebrates breakthrough performances—on the field and off.

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[A]

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[B]

Both sides of the ball too at that. Both sides of the ball at that. For one, I want to talk about Jackson Dart. I want to talk about good Jackson Dart looks as a, as a rookie. Obviously Russell Wilson started the season for the Giants, but when Jackson Dart got his opportunity, he came in and closed the door right behind him. Yep, he's making the throws, he's reading, he's improvising, he's escaping, he's eluding, he's using his legs, he's using his arm. His best weapon went down with knee injury. But you wouldn't know that his best weapon offensively outside of Scatterbo was hurt. Jackson Dart is a real deal and he's very exciting. The combination of him and Skettable together, it's like two little kids it's like two little kids out there on the playground just enjoying the game of football at the highest level. And it's refreshing. It's refreshing for the Giants fans as you can see and you can hear. You know, you watched, you watch, you watch the game with the sound off but just, just watching the reaction and the sound of the Giants.

[A]

Oh, they go. I can see the fans when they panning and the fans going, they, they. I'm sure they're saying Boscatable Scat pack was doing his thing. Jackson Dart. I'm sure they're howling dark look, this was look. And we'll get to this Ocho because the Eagles didn't play well and they got some issues and we tried to tell them about the issues that they have. But you know what Ocho? But you can't tell Giants fan anything because if you, if I critique Jalen hurts. You don't like black people. You don't say this about white quarterback. If I critique the team, I'm jealous. I'm envious. Okay, fine. I should have your undivided attention cuz I couldn't get your attention at first because you was winning. You see that when you winning you can't get nobody's attention. Now I should have your undivided attention cuz you lost twice. Yes, the Giants, they got the makings of a good team. The only thing that concerns me oo is pressure. There were times back there that Jalen.

[B]

Hurst would just sitting there patting the.

[A]

Ball and Two of the three and two of the four pass rushes was on the ground. They've got to generate pressure because they don't have elite on the back end. And so you should be able. When you got D. Lawrence, when you got Thibodeau, when you got Abdul Carter, that should be more than enough to create pressure, to create havoc. And not nearly. And I forgot Brian Burns. Brian Burns, yeah, that should be enough. More than enough to create havoc. Not enough havoc was created tonight. You won the game. But in order for you to keep building on this, you got 10 week, you got 10 days off, you get an opportunity to soak in this. I'm sure the Giants fans are going crazy, somewhat crazy, because the Yankees lost last night. But if you're a Giant fan, you look at Jackson Dar, you're like, man, he won his first game. He. He was playing really well against the Saints, and then he started turning the ball over. If we could protect the ball, I think we might got something. Scat Pack was doing what Scat Pack does. He runs hard. He's looking to run through, as Marshawn lynch would say, run through a mofo face. And he runs with authority. He's looking to deliver a blow. When he blocked, he's blocking all out. When he's running, he's running all out. He missed a couple of cuts early, but hey, all is forgiven. He's a rookie. He'll get better as time progresses. But I thought the Giants offensive line, Ocho, remember we talked about that thing was a sieve that, hey, people just coming to a. You gonna block him? But they did a great. I thought they did a better job tonight of protecting Jackson Dart. He did a great job of avoiding the rush. When he needed to run, he got rid of got. He got out of the pocket. When he needed to throw the ball away, he threw it away. I like what I saw from the New York Football Giants. Wandell Robinson had himself a game, a little John Humphrey. I thought he made some plays tonight, Ojo. But I mean, what can we say? The Giants, I mean, I don't think anybody really had picked the Giants to win this game, but it just goes to show you, hey, you take care of the football. And it's a, It's a division game, Mojo. It's a rival game. You know, you throw workers out the window when you play in a rival now.

[B]

Yeah, definitely. Most definitely. But listen, if you, you, you also understand, if you're a bet man, if you're a bet man, you definitely picking the Eagles.

[A]

Yes. Well, I Wonder what the line was. What was the bet? You know what the line was.

[B]

Oh, no, I.

[A]

It had to be. Had to be at. I'm thinking at at least four, four and a half.

[B]

Listen, you. You're going against a rookie quarterback, defending super bowl champs, everybody named. I'mma probably pick the Eagles to actually win this game. But when you have a quarterback like Jackson Dart, who has been as exciting as he is, who has been unpredictable as he's been since he's gotten the starting job, I mean, for those who actually know and understand the game of football, and based on the small sample size of Jackson Dart that we've been able to see, you throw caution to win when you come to betting against the Giants, especially after tonight's performance. So going forward, you know, I think things are going to change a little bit when it comes to watching, not only watching the Giants, but putting whatever money you want to on them to win a certain game or Pacific game.

[A]

That it seems like the line was seven, seven and a half. Depend on where you was batting, who you was betting. You know where you. You know, who, what line you took. I'm. I'm confused. Ocho, talk to me.

[B]

Wait, hold on.

[A]

Wait.

[B]

Before you say anything, let me get comfortable.

[A]

I'm confused as to what they're doing with A.J. brown. I watched a man run two unders in a row. I'm like, is that the only route y' all believe A.J. brown can run? He run under. He run. Look, he. They try to run him on like a little. A little. A little six, seven yard out. But I don't see no imagination in the routes. I don't see no magic, no. No creativity in the calls. Aunt man, look, you. They running smash concepts. They run. They run this. They run the sale. And then they run. They run the spot, what we call a spot route. Or they'll run. They're running. They'll run to out and then they'll run to under. Or devonte would try starting the slot and he'll run fade, run to fade. Or he'll run the smash route. I mean, he and. And Brown would run the. I'm like, damn. Yeah. If I'm Jay Hur said, man, I'm tired of running these damn under routes. Give me a dig, give me a comeback. Give me a deep over. Give me something. Hey, run a bang. Yeah, we ain't got no bangs.

[B]

Yeah. I will say they made. They made a conscious effort to give him the ball. They made a conscious effort to give him the ball in. In the first Half and there were some plays that broken down where he was able to scramble out the pocket and get, get the ball to AJ it wasn't many of them, but he had, he had a better, better stat line this, this week. You know, this game.

[A]

Second best most yards he's had. You know, he had that 100 yard game against the Rams where they were down by a lot of half and then they came out, made a conscious effort like we gotta throw the ball because we can't run ourselves back in the ball game. And it's like, okay, A.J. so he had 6 for 80, Dallas Goddard had 6, 9 for 110. Smitty would have been over 100 had Jaylen not overthrew him. He put a little bit too much gas up under Devonte, ran a really good route, had him. I mean he could have walked backwards and got into the end zone because it looked like his defender had fallen down. Oo yeah. When you, when, when you look at the Eagles, what's going on? Clearly, clearly that meeting didn't help. Yeah, I don't know what they discussed. I don't care to know. 34:17. It's been a while since the Eagles lost the game by that and this game wasn't, this game wasn't. I mean this thing got on the head quick.

[B]

Yeah, it did.

[A]

It did.

[B]

And I would think some, obviously I think we'll start up front with some of the pieces to that offensive line being missing small holes that you, that you, you try to cover up, you know, weak links that you try to cover up, but you just can't. There's a reason why Saquon Barkley isn't being as successful in the running game as he was last year.

[A]

Because he wasn't. Ocho. You, you knew they would Ocho. You thought they gonna let that man come back and rush for another 2,000.

[B]

Hey, you, you do understand the Eagles do have the best offensive line in the league.

[A]

Yes, but. Right. What did I tell you? If you're going to beat me, you're going to beat me with Jalen Hurst throwing the football.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

Because I like my chances better beating you with him throwing the football than Saquon Barkley running for 125 a game.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It's really that simple. And that's not a knock. I'm not going to let, but I'm not going to let you have a two way go of it. Not say Quan's running it. Now you play action and throw the ball over the top of my head. Nah, nah. Nah. If he gonna throw the ball with pinpoint accuracy, and guess what I'm gonna do. Oo I'm gonna leave. I'm not gonna bring. I'm not gonna drop eight in the box. I'm not gonna throw one on one. I'm gonna make you throw through zones. I'm gonna make you throw the coverage. Now, you do that consistently, okay, I tilt my hat to you.

[B]

I can live with that.

[A]

But I am not going to let Saquan do what he did last year and then be at your mercy. Now, you throw when you want to. You run when you want to. You got me begging, man. Throw the ball, man. Run the ball. Nah. Hell no. You gonna beg for something different? Look, it's early in the season, but clearly something is. Something is amiss with the Eagles. It's hard to pick right up where you left off. Oo Someone had been in that situation. You have to. You have to really. You have to really turn your mind off to, like, maybe won the Super Bowl. Yeah, you did that last year. You think these teams don't roll over just because you won the Super Bowl. You're their super bowl this year.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

The teams that didn't win the super bowl, guess what? When they see your ass on the schedule, now, that gives us, you know what Brian D. Ball said? That's the defending super bowl champs, and we just hung 34 on them. You see, when we play, we can beat anybody in this league. That's what they're saying, because that's the Eagles. That's the defending super bowl champ. So now teams base their. Their. They based how good they are on whether or not they beat them.

[B]

And. And now you see why now. Now this gives you a better reason why. Why Jalen hurts when they ask him about the super bowl and how it feels to be champs, why he throws it out the door. That was last year.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Because he understood how difficult it would be to not only repeat, but to have the same success going into this same way. Now. Now we're seeing the struggles that they are having, being that they're not at full strength, especially at the offensive line. Some of the defensive pieces are a little different than they were last year, and things are different. New offensive coordinator, he had. Things have to evolve offensively, you know, you can't be too predictable. Last year, because the running game was so efficient, you could damn near do what you want to do.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

And you can throw it when you want to. You got to pick your poison, what you want to do. Now things are a little different. And now you're going to get to see the better part of the Eagles.

[A]

You have to dig down, Ocho. We gotta dig. Yeah.

[B]

They can do one or two things. You can come together and fix it, or things are going to continue to splinter.

[A]

Yeah. And we're not going to make no excuses. Oh, the Eagles beat themselves, it looked like to me. The Giants had 34 and the Eagles had 17. It didn't say Eagles one had 34 and Eagles two had 17. Right, right. Ain't no. Ain't no. Beat yourself because, see, that's the excuses you make. Last week they had a man. They should have called pass interference. That was a pass interference. You see what happens, Ocho, if you. If you lose by a little, I can go back and point the thing. Well, if he had done this, we had done that. But see, when I beat hell out you, what you gonna say? So what? Pass interference, that would have made up 17 points. What holding call, man, they were. Hell, they was holding. So what holding call would have made up 17 points? What did I miss? What offsides? What penalty that they didn't call that would have made up for 17 points. PO. I feel. I feel bad for my guy, Gilly.

[B]

You know, I know we're gonna. The only reason I'm saying he gonna be all right. Only reason I'm saying the Eagles are going to be okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because it's so early in the season. It's so early in the season. Now, if we. Now we were on the back of the season, I. I give you one. If it was after Thanksgiving, things were looking the way they look now, I'd be worried. I'd be worried.

[A]

But let me tell you, when you show vulnerability early, yes, teams like they can be had. That's the thing. Now, because you already gonna get everybody's best shot, Ocho, because you the reigning super bowl champs. Absolutely, you're gonna get everybody's best. But now they're like, hey, they vulnerable. They can be had the ferocity that. That. That defense is not nearly as vicious, as suffocating as it was. That's a rookie, Ocho. I don't give a damn who back there. That is a rookie quarterback in only his third start. And he did that. He did that. And he didn't seem bothered by what you were doing on the back end. He didn't seem flustered. He didn't seem off kilter. He didn't seem like, man, what. What are they doing? I'm seeing ghost out there. He didn't seem that way to me. Now, maybe somebody else saw something that I didn't see, but he looked perfectly fine to me.

[B]

Hey, I tell you.

[A]

I see. I can see why AJ Getting frustrated because I get tired. I get tired of running under routes, too. Yeah, I would. I get tired of running short crosses. They run, man, stop, man, give me something down the field. I get. It'll be very interesting, Ocho, if we were to watch a cut up, we see all 22 and see how many times he run further than 10 yards down the field.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Because I see. I see a lot of people. I see a lot of. I see a lot of routes. Short cross, over the ball, under route, slant route, five yard out. Man, let that man run a deep over. Let the man run a comeback. Let the man run a dig. Damn.

[B]

Yeah. And. And more than one.

[A]

Everybody goes oo. Now they know he not going deep. I'm squatting on everything. Ooh. I ain't getting on no damn backpedal. Cause he ain't run no go ball.

[B]

Especially. Especially the better corners. Especially the better corners that know and understand down the distance. We understand tendencies, we understand split. We understand schemes. We understand the route concepts.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Oh, he.

[C]

He's.

[B]

He on top of the numbers. Oh, he ain't going nowhere.

[A]

You ain't run no damn go rock from those top of the numbers.

[B]

Oh, absolutely not. Oh, he inside the numbers.

[A]

Okay, well, you try to run a shallow. You try to run a shallow.

[B]

Either run the shallow or you coming outside. One or the other. I could just sit like. I don't know. I think maybe. Maybe the. The casual fan doesn't understand how. How difficult the game of football is if it's not complicated, but how easy it is for those who. Who study the game, who watch film and are used to seeing things over and over and over. And. Yeah, so now the onus is on the offensive coordinator to be a little bit more creative, to throw off those that you're playing week to week, because now there's film on you. There's a year's worth of film on you, and you got to change things up, because if you don't change things up, you get what you see tonight. You get players that are frustrated because the blueprint is out there, the ingredients are out there, and the ingredients are out there. Hey, we know what this tastes like. You got to change it up.

[A]

You do, Ocho. And the thing is, just like a pass rusher, you can't give that offensive lineman the same pass rush move. He'll eat that up after A while. He'll build up an immunity to it. So you got to give him. Hey, you gotta. Sometimes you gotta turn speed to power. Sometimes you just got a good dip. Sometimes you gotta wax on, wax off. Sometimes you got a bull, sometimes you gotta hump. You got to change it up. The same thing with the offensive lineman. Hey, sometimes they quick set you or jumps at you. Sometimes they stab left and then they come back. Hey, sometimes they. Sometimes they catch some it. You've got to change it up. These guys are good, very good. And they break everything down. They what? Watch him. Watch his feet. Watch when he does this. What you does, what he does with his hands. Now watch when. Watch when he's in this stance. Look how wide his base is. Defense off, defensive lineman, look at his stance. They pay attention. They break everything down to the umpteenth because the margin of error. These guys are really good. And the margin of the margin of victory is so small, very small. It's not. I'm telling you, it's not. It's not a mountain. It is small. It's the minute. It's the. It's the details. The devil is in the details, man.

[B]

It's what, one, one or three plays make the difference? That's it.

[A]

That's it.

[C]

That's it.

[A]

Two turnovers did not help. Look like they were. The Eagles were going in, got a turn up and Jaylen threw. It was late. And inside. You, you, you, you inside. If that DB can catch, he's going the other way with it. And then it seemed like they were driving again and AJ Dillon got the ball punched out. That's two turnovers right there where you look like you were about to make something positive happen and it ends up going the other way. But the. It gonna be interesting to see how the Eagles bounce back or how they respond in general. Ocho, you do realize they didn't score a point in the second half.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The 17 was off in the first.

[A]

Hey, and on the. On the tush push that first one, the great guard jumped the count again. Yeah, see, he all Ocho. He almost has to jump the count because he has to keep the guy off the center because if the center gets stand up, because remember, Jalen Hurst is coming right behind him. So if he gets stood up, so the guard, one of those guards, have to knock somebody off him, let him get some push. Now we can get Jalen Hurst to get a little push. So get some leg drive. If Jalen hurt, if the center gets stood up, where is Jalen Going, yeah.

[B]

The play doesn't work.

[A]

I mean, the play doesn't work. It's gonna. Look, I'm sure Nick Sarion's like, you know, he like, look, I know it's a tough one. It was a short week. But, hey, it was a short week for the Giants. Everybody's gonna. Everybody's gonna have at least one short week. The Cowboys pro. Yeah, the Cowboys will probably have two because they got the Thanksgiving game, and then they near likely plays the following Thursday after that.

[C]

Right.

[A]

But give the. I. I think this. Tonight, we can talk about the Eagles till we're blue in the face, but I think tonight was more about what the Giants did, positive and good, as opposed to Eagles. The Eagles have their issues, but here's the thing. If I got issues and you don't take advantage of them, what good is that? Mistake. When you make a mistake, can I make you pay for it?

[C]

Right?

[A]

You leave the door open, I walk in your house, you leave something out at the table. I eat off your table. Every mistake the jets, the Eagles, made, Giants made them pay for it. The question is, look, Sharioni Sirianni cut his teeth and call him plays. And I know it's a bad. Because here's the thing. Anytime you do something that's abnormal, people think you're panicking. If I take over the play calling, Ocho, what am I saying?

[B]

They.

[A]

The guy that had to play caller, he's not doing a good job. Be an offensive or defensive. If I reassign people. Hey, you was in class, Ocho. Shannon, Chad, get your book. Move over here. That means you were being a disruption. You were doing something you had no business. I got that all the time. Shannon, can you move up here by me? Why? You know why. So that's the way that's. People gonna look at that from the outside and say, well, oh, okay. I thought, what? Nothing going on. If nothing's going on, why are you making these changes? Why are you making these moves? But at the end of the day, I've got to do what's in the best interest of this team. And if I have to take over the play calling, I don't want to. I don't want to take over the play calling, but I will if I have to. And the question is, do you think Cerioni should or will take over the play calling?

[B]

Ooh, that's tough.

[A]

That's asking an awful lot of a head coach. I mean, look, Kyle Shanahan does it. Andy Reid does it. There are the whole Sean McVeigh does it. It's not a whole lot of guys. Ben Johnson does it now, but for the most part, you know, hey, I got lieutenants. I let lieutenants do their job. I oversee everything. I hear everything. If there's something, hey, nah, we gonna run it on this one now. Hey, hey, you got that specialty play do that. I try to oversee everything. So what do you think? What. What do you think will happen or what do you think should happen?

[B]

I think more so a conversation. I think more so a conversation was had. Is had between Petula and. And Sirianna. Sirianni. Because Sirianni has enough. Enough as a head coach. Huh? He has enough. He has enough going on that he has to deal with. He has enough on his plate as is. You already have. You already have coaches appointed to certain positions, and they have their jobs. And now if you. If you want a coach to do his job a little better or find ways to make things work, is here now talking from an offensive perspective. You had that conversation with him and what needs to change and what he would like to see as a head coach. But taking over the play calls this early, it. To me, it sends him in panic mode. And I don't think that's something that they really need is not to panic, but find a way, figure out what solutions we can take, what creative effort, you know, can Petullo do. And in creating a little bit of creativity offensively and moving some things around, just throwing a few wrinkles in there, not. Not going too far away from the game plan and schematically on the things that do work and that you like to do, but just throwing some wrinkles in there that give you a little bit more success that aren't predictable when you're out there playing O.J.

[A]

You know how coaches always ask the quarterback and the quarterback goes to the coach and say, these are the plays I like?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Go to A.J. brown. Say, A.J. what you like, what you want to run? Give me. Give me a hint. How can. How can I help you? What do you like? Yeah, ask him. I mean, Mike would ask me, hey, 84, what you. What you like here?

[B]

Same. Especially in that first 15.

[A]

Yeah, you can't go wrong with basic cross. You can't go wrong with Y choice. You cannot go wrong with those. You give me one of those. You give me one of those. I'm good. I'm. I'll make it. I'll make it work. I don't give a damn if he's playing outside leverage. I don't care if he's playing head up. I don't care if he's playing inside leverage. He cannot stop me from going where I want to go. He's going to ask me what I like. Hey, you like the Zaro here? Yeah, I like Zaro. Yeah, I like Zaro. I like Zarro. I like it. I like it. You know, I'm really trying to get a touchdown, so I kind of like it. Oh, yo, I like it. The tea going in. I ain't really trying to get no first diet. Cause they only gonna bite one time, Ocho. It's like a fish. You catch a fish and you. You hook him and he get off, he ain't biting again. Not that one. Now, somebody else might get his ass another day in time, but he not gonna bite. So that's the way I look at it. Like, if I beat him on this Zorro this time and I get a first down, he ain't biting again. So I'm like. I'm like, no, I kind of like. I kind of like, like in the 10 for the Zaro route. But anything else, Mike? Hey, you do right choice. You do basic. Hey, you do a. A basic cross, Anything like that. I'm good. I'm Gucci. Hey, run, tiger. Far cross. Hey, any. Anything. Just go to AJ and say, AJ what you like. Tell me, tell me, tell me. What if I said, aj Give me your five favorite routes that you like to run. Yeah, and let me see how I can incorporate it in what we're doing. Because all they do, Ocho, is that you got your plays and you watch the film and you see what the other teams did to their ass last week. And then you put that in and call it your stuff.

[B]

Bingo. Is it. It's a copycat.

[A]

That's all you do.

[B]

There's a copycat league, and they do it every week. Whatever they saw, whatever they saw that worked on film, and you happen to be playing that team, they gonna do the exact same thing. Formation might be a little different.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

What Gonna be exactly the same.

[A]

You think AJ Asked for a trade?

[B]

No.

[A]

Hell.

[B]

Oh, shoot. You know what? I'm not in AJ Shoes. I'm not. I'm not in the shoes. I don't know. I. I'm not sure. And. And being. Being how he is, his mannerisms, his beliefs, and. And the way he moves and thinks, much, much more completely different than that of what they think he is.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm not sure he's the type to ask for a trade, but. But he's frustrated. Devonte Smith is frustrated. They both voiced their frustrations. I think it was maybe last week or week before last publicly. So I'm not sure.

[A]

I think, because. Because I understand. I. I really do. I really do. Because I don't want people to think I understand AJ's situation. AJ say they don't pay me to win. They pay me for stats. The only problem that I have, stats get me paid. Not wins. Not wins. I told her.

[B]

Yeah, remember I said that?

[C]

I said that.

[A]

Oh, the only problem is that aj, keep that with Sirianni, keep that with Petula, keep that with what you call them. I say, because when you voice it outside, people go look at you as being selfish and say you care about your stats than you do about winning, even though that's how you gonna get paid. I get it. Yeah. But you're not going to be able to elicit sympathy from that fan base because we winning, Ocho, just like, oh, you winning. You like, man, but y' all don't want seven games in a row. How you go. How you go publicly and talk about, man, I need to get the ball right, right. People gonna look at you as being selfish. Although I understand what it's based on. I just wish, like I said, I wish, cuz like a family, football team, as a family, I guarantee you spend more time with the. With the football team than you do your real family.

[B]

Especially during this time.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

From.

[A]

From basically from July when you go to training camp until your season ends, you spend more time with them. You do, you do. And you do everything you can to keep everything in house. Yeah. When it gets out. When it gets out. Now everybody has their own interpretation to what's going on.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

When you keep it in house, don't nobody. Don't nobody know, you know, what the actual. What's actually being said, you know, what. And how to fix it. But then once it gets out. Yeah, hey, like I said, that meeting, I'm trying to figure out who. How many people knew about that meeting. Ocho.

[B]

Somebody probably upstairs. I guarantee you that somebody knows. He's some reporter, you know, a player talking to a reporter that they probably confide in and thought it wouldn't get out or they wouldn't tell anybody. And all of a sudden the rest of the world knows everything's getting out now.

[A]

Uk, hey, trust nothing. Trust absolutely nothing. But now what I knew to be true all along. Kellen Moore is a damn good offensive coordinator. Absolutely a damn good one. He was good at Dallas. He was really good at Dallas. He was great. He won A Super bowl with the Eagles. Normally it's a little low. Normally, Detroit don't seem to be having that problem that Ben Jonathan left. They don't be seem to have that problem that Ag left. On the defensive side of the football, Detroit is playing extremely well.

[B]

Remember what. Remember what I said? Huh? Remember what I said when Ben Johnson left?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

When Aaron Glenn left, I said, uncle, even though the coaches left, the pieces of that puzzle are still there. So you take coaches out and the pieces of the puzzle still there, you can still put it together, Right? You still put together because you still got the same pieces. So it doesn't matter who called the play. That's why sometimes when I hear coaches, when I hear fans say, oh, they want to. They want coaches fired when things aren't going well. Well, hell. Well, hey, if he had the goddamn players to execute, it wouldn't be no damn problem. Well, Bill Belichick was great at New England because he had the pieces, including Tom, and now they want him. You know, I heard he might get fired sometime this week in North Carolina. Hit Bill. Well, what the hell you want to.

[A]

Do what you want to do? Well, people look at it, if you don't got Jerry Rice, Randy Moss and Larry Fitzgerald, you don't have good receivers. But Larry Fitzgerald and Jerry Rice and Randy Moss ain't. I mean, it takes a special type of person to fit that system. And Randy fit the system for a couple of years, and then all of a sudden he wanted more. And Bill said, no, everybody's not going to be able to go. Ocho weeks. I count two passes this week. I caught four passes. Last week, I caught this. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Those guys are number one receivers for a reason.

[B]

A reason? Yeah.

[A]

New England built their game of plan to win. Other teams build a game plan around great players.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Right. That's the difference. So it's going to be very, very interesting to see how this thing plays up. I think getting away. Hey, serious, look, I don't want to see you guys till Monday. I'll see you guys Monday. Don't worry about this tape. I'll see you guys Monday. Come in and we'll have a quick meeting. Get a lift in, get a run in, run some of this out. I'll see you guys Monday. Got Tuesday off. Let's be ready to come back to work Wednesday and fix whatever, whatever we got going on. It's good to clear our heads, get an opportunity to get away from this. Hey, you don't need to watch television. You don't need to read the paper. Get. Stay off the Internet and be ready when we come back in here on Wednesday. Yeah, let's be ready to work and get this thing done.

[B]

Get it right. They're gonna have. They're gonna have to fix it. And don't let anything else come out the locker room. Don't say nothing crazy after the media. Anything. I'm not sure who might have talked to the media after the game. I hope they took time to allow themselves to defuse from whatever anger, whatever emotions you may be having. Take a shower first. Take a shower first. Cool off, then talk to the media. Don't give them no ammunition.

[A]

You know what I'm surprised of Ocho? I'm surprised how many people, when they go to the locker room, the first thing they do is check their phone.

[B]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Okay. Because I'm one of them.

[A]

I'm shocked by that.

[B]

Yeah. I'm one of them.

[A]

Yeah. See you. I played in that era. You played in the era that they did have social media, so I'm. I'm glad. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't play in that era. I'm glad.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It just started. It just started. So I caught social media.

[A]

The guys. Do they. You think they check their phone at halftime, too?

[B]

No, I don't know about. I don't know about that one. I don't know about that one. Yeah. My last year, I checked. Right. Okay. I'm out here cutting the food. Let me see what they see. What they talking about?

[A]

What they talk about? On ignorance. Oh, what do you think about the tush push? Four times. Michael Parsons says, this is not football with two trash emojis.

[B]

Hey, if you can't stop it, don't knock it. If you can't stop it. If the packers were able to do it, that wouldn't be a problem. So. So, I mean, tush push is not football. So let. Let's talk about some of the plays that other teams run that nobody can stop that aren't highlighted.

[C]

True.

[B]

We're gonna start eliminating plays from certain team that do one thing specifically. Well.

[A]

Just because somebody can do something better than anybody can do one thing.

[B]

Yeah. Hey. Find a way to stop it. I know how to stop it. I can't. I can't give the formula on how to stop it.

[A]

Yeah. You know, my brother tell us all the time. He says, my. My goal was to do my job, do this one thing better than anybody else did. Anything. I'm fine.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It seems to me that the Tush push. The Eagles do this better than any other football team does anything else.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Whether it's rush to quarterback, whether it's throw the ball, whether it's run the ball, whatever the case is, the Eagles do the tush push better than any other football team do any other thing. So I agree with you. Is it. Is it aesthetically pleasing? No.

[B]

No. But it was.

[A]

I don't believe you should throw it out just because somebody can't stop it.

[C]

Right.

[A]

So if Michael. Michael. Micah says it's trash, he got the. The two trash can with the. The guy dumping the trash in there. What you think, Ocho?

[B]

Nah, my guy and being the competitor he is, it shouldn't matter where anybody else run. Well, you want you one of the best in the league, you top three in the league, it shouldn't matter. You got to stop it.

[A]

Tampa is getting what you call them, getting big dads ready as they dead.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Don't let them move you at all.

[B]

Clog it up the best way you can.

[A]

Yeah. Hey, we got a very special guest joining us, good friend of the show, co founder of Reddit, founder of Athlos. Here he is, Alexis Ohanan. Lex, what's going on?

[C]

Pleasure, absolute pleasure to be here. Thank you so much for having me, guys.

[A]

Thanks for coming on. We know you're one of the biggest advocate of women's issues. What went into the thought process of creating this, this women's only track, Meet certain events and say, you know what? I want to do something special to highlight these great women athletes.

[C]

You know what? Look, I'm obviously married to the goat. We can get that out of the way.

[A]

Yes, you are.

[C]

Serena Williams is. You think about it, though, right? Like, you know, it's funny, I grew up in a household. NFL was the only thing that mattered. Football was the sport I. I played and I loved. I didn't think about any other sport. Didn't watch tennis. I didn't know anything about it. Now, I got smart. Now I'm, I'm a big fan, obviously, but, you know, at no point did I ever think that women's tennis was less than men's. And if you talk to any sports fan today, they. They'd sound crazy if they thought or if they said that women's tennis was less than men's in America, frankly, women's tennis is as popular, if not more popular than men's tennis. Look at how much money these ladies get paid more. And, and obviously Serena and Venus, they were the ones who, you know, brought that to the world. But, you know, tennis is the perfect example where with investment and Billie Jean King made sure those ladies got paid. That made it possible for two little girls in Compton to say, I'm going to change my life by playing this sport, because I know I can be excellent and get compensated for it. And then with the generational talent, you blew up the sport, made it bigger than ever, and look where we are today. And so it happened in tennis. And. And I just realized, here is another sport, track and field. I know y' all are fans of it. Biggest, most, most played, most active, most engaged sports. We have a legacy of greatness, especially in the American women, historical and present. So you had Melissa, Melissa Jefferson, we had Anna Hall. Tremendous talents, all of them. And, you know, every four years, these ladies are superstars. We tune in during the Olympics, we cheer for them. It's one of the most watched sports. And then they disappear. And I'm just a businessman. All I want to do is see greatness continue to get celebrated, because if there are eyeballs, there are dollars.

[A]

Correct.

[C]

Every four years. And it's not about charity. It's about supporting these amazing athletes. And I saw you all during Paris offering bounties. Yeah.

[A]

$37,000 for winning a gold medal. Come on, man.

[C]

Love that. Love that. And so, you know, this is. This is. I think, you know, post Reddit, I've been really blessed to do some things in women's sports, starting Angel City, this women's soccer team, five years ago, and now I think Athlos is going to be a huge part of my legacy, and I'm just grateful to be able to talk about it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This year you added the long jump. It's in Times Square. Will you be looking to add more events in the coming. In the coming years? You know, obviously, it's only a handful of events, and I get that, but that's a start. But in the. In the. In the long term, your goal is to have how many events you think.

[C]

Oh, you know, look, every time we've added an event, it's been with an anchor star, because, again, for me, social media tells the story. Obviously. Zareta guy, I look at follower counts, and, you know, I was. I was totally naive when I got into the sport, so obviously, I knew the sprinters. I had a bias for the sprinters, because that's a quick story.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, you don't have to. You ask a fan to pay attention. They don't have to watch for very long, and they're getting an amazing show. And you Know, the longest race we've got right now is the mile, which. Which still keeps a pretty short attention span, obviously. Kip Ye Gong with the world record.

[A]

Yeah. Going. You got the goat running. So you good special.

[C]

And Batar, Davis Woodhall, or I'm repping here. You know, I invited her. She's got millions of followers on social media. She's a long jumper gold medalist for the United States.

[A]

Yeah, and the world champion.

[C]

And a world champion. Exactly. And. And I said, why don't you come to the show? Come to Athos. And she said, I won't come unless I'm competing. Okay, challenge accepted. So we put her on actually tonight in Times Square. So I'm still coming off the high. I got. Can't be too loud here because my babies are asleep in the hotel suite and, you know, the room. But we had an amazing night in Times Square. Look at the clips. I mean, we had the best long jumpers in the world. We shut down Times Square and. And these ladies were running. The top three are going to now compete tomorrow. There's the photos. The top three are going to compete tomorrow at Icon, to which you all are both invited. Please come trackside suite. I'm waiting for you. We got Ciara performing DJ Trauma spinning in between the races. We're gonna have, you know, the fastest ladies in the world. It's gonna be a lot of fun.

[A]

You got Faith Kip yegon in the 1500 Meers. You got Keely Hodgkins, the 800 meter Olympic gold medalist. You got Messiah Russell, the 100 meter Olympic gold medal in the hurdles. You got Marilini Paulino, the gold medalist in the 400 meters. And you got Alexis Holm, who's a 4x4 world champion and mixed relay world champion. Much of the complaint from the track community, Alexis, has been the lack of visibility, because like you said, the big events only happen. The big event only happens once every four years. So it's like they go, dorm. It's like we hibernate. So we get excited. 20, 20, 2024. Yay.

[B]

Yay.

[A]

Yay. And then I gotta wait all the way to 2028 to do it again. And we want to get behind you. You know, we. We like. Like, we like baseball and football and basketball players, because guess what? We see them every year.

[C]

We get to root for.

[A]

I get to. I've been able to root for LeBron for 23 years. I got to root for Kobe for 20 years. I got to root for these guys. But I gotta wait once every four years to See my, my favorite athlete compete.

[C]

No, it's, it's, it's ridiculous. And you look at the numbers again, none of this, don't ever get this twisted. None of this is about charity. You look at the numbers. Track and field is one of the most viewed sports during the Summer Olympics. Millions and millions of people. And so, you know, we were, we were quite happy last year. We had 3 million people on broadcast. Tune in. We're expecting more this year. And then our plan for next year, we've announced it. So it'll be a team based track and field league. So instead of just one meet, we're gonna have multiple meets in major cities. Think of it like the Formula one of track and field. Okay, so companies like Mercedes and Ferrari, they have F1 cars, they spend tons of money basically for marketing, right? So you could think of some great apparel brands I wouldn't, you know, point to. A few might think of that want to be associated with speed and excellence. So imagine those as teams and then imagine now you have a way to see the very best to do it in this team format similar to like ncaa. And so you can imagine you've got, I mean if we just say there's a hypothetical Nike team, you know, you've got Sha', Carri, you've got Tara Davis Woodhall, you've got so many of these champs that now get to share a team not just around the Olympics, around a nation, but around a brand. And it starts to change the economics now because if I'm one of these shoe companies, I'm one of these apparel companies. Just like Mercedes wants to be associated with speed and excellence and hold trophy, the Constructors cup, the end of Formula one. You're also going to be able to test new technology on the track with the fastest athletes. And you're also going to start telling a story which is, look, if we're spending this kind of money on a team, you know, Lewis Hamilton knows what he's worth because he knows what it means to Ferrari to have the best to do it. I think this starts to have a very positive impact in the way that we value these athletes. And as soon as they're valued that way, they're going to get marketed more. Their stories are going to get told. And I want to buy a jersey. I want to buy a Tara Davis Woodhall T shirt with her name and her number and her team on it, right? I can buy an Ocho Cinco jersey. I can buy a Shannon Sharpe jersey. I can't buy a jersey for any track and field athletes. Because it doesn't exist. Not yet.

[A]

So let me get, let me, let me make sure I'm hearing you correctly. So you have teams. And so these teams will be made up from men or women from all across the world. So you might have Keely Hodgkins being a teammate of Melissa Jefferson and sure. Who might be a teammate of Faith Kip Yagon. So it. Would it be something like the unrivaled league? You see how unrivaled. Like they got teammates on one team, like in the wnba, but they're on different teams around, you know, when they play an unrivaled. So you're talking about something like that. Those kind of teams for sure.

[C]

In that, you know, and we love the unrivaled folks fee and everyone. They've done a great job. The difference would be our teams would be more than likely built around a brand.

[A]

Oh, okay. Okay. So Adidas, Nike.

[C]

Announcing anything. But imagine that scenario. Exactly. And so now if I'm sitting here now, obviously Nike's got a great roster, but you can't sleep on New Balance with Sid and Gabby. There's lots of talents. All right.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

And so now imagine if you were any of these other brands or any of the brands really, you want to win because just like you're, if you're Ferrari, you want to make sure you're holding up that trophy at the end of the season. And so it'll mean, let's say we added a couple other sports, maybe even throw in a thrower. You start now seeing a broader team composition and, and these brands are incentivized now to build out that roster and to support those athletes in marketing as well as in, you know, physios and sport, all this other stuff. And I think really level up the way we think about what these brands can do. And now you better believe, just like if I watch, I don't know, watch Mercedes win a Formula one race, it incentivizes me to want to buy a Mercedes sedan. So imagine if I'm a sneaker company, how much it would mean to me to have, you know, the top, to see these team and, and what that means to move sneakers to everybody else, whether you're, you know, whether you're running your 100th marathon or you're doing your first 5k like you want to feel like the best to do it. And so why wait four years? I think you're absolutely right. We shouldn't. There's still great athletes even outside the Olympics.

[A]

Let me ask you something off Topic, please. You and Serena competitive?

[C]

Extremely. Thankfully, though, thankfully, though not in tennis. I've never picked up a racket. Yeah, no. And you know, thankfully, both of our daughters inherited most of my wife's athletic genes. Although, you know, big fella, I still, I'd like to say I contributed some height to the girls, but they're gonna.

[A]

Be tall like pop. Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

But, you know, I, I, I, it's, it's really interesting. We're, we're incredibly competitive in very different ways. And, and it's a blessing because I think, you know, in tech in particular, we delude ourselves into thinking we're the hardest working folks in the room. You know, the industry. Look, tech's done amazing stuff, certainly for my career, and the industry thinks a lot of itself. I always recommend friends of mine, other CEOs in the industry. I say just, just if, if you're single. Right. Date a professional athlete, spend time with professional athletes and, and what you see, and I'm preaching to the choir here, the, the amount of fortitude, determination, the willpower of a professional athlete. And I, I have to say, the solo athletes, too, are next level.

[A]

Yeah, it's all on them.

[C]

You, you know, those solo athletes are built different. There is a, another level of intensity and determination and work ethic and an incredible, incredible competitiveness. And so I knew, I knew I met my match because I really thought it was the hardest work in the room and the most competitive. But yeah, yeah, no, yeah, because it's.

[A]

A different perspective because when you're in the tech industry or if you're married, you're asking your significant aunt other to understand your work hours and what's necessary as an athlete. They're asking their spouse or their significant other to understand the sacrifice. So now they get an opportunity to see what each other have asked the other party to do. So now you like. I am so sorry, babe. I am so. I did not realize that I had put this kind of pressure and ask you to do so much more out of your.

[C]

I never had that fight. We, we have never had that fight about me putting in too many hours because she understood someone who knows, she knows, she knows what it takes. And you know, I'm not, I'm not breaking the barriers. She's breaking in order to be great, but still, she knows what it takes. And, and, and that, that work ethic shines, man. And so it's, it's fun. We're competitive, but in really good ways.

[B]

And that's, and too, that's, that's a dope thing. When you always think about people throwing around the word power couple all the time, they throw the word power couple around based on aesthetics, based on. Not the intangibles that. That. That you don't get to see or you get. You don't get to hear. So it is really dope to hear the. The dynamic in which you two share coming from two different. Totally different fields, tech and sports combining.

[C]

Be honest. The obvious. The elephant in the room here. Yeah. Serena.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Comics fan. Oh, wait, not. That's not. That's not the elephant in the room, was it? Oh, yeah. We're obviously from very different worlds. Even though she is a DC fan, I don't get it. I'm a Marvel guy. It's obviously better, but. Yeah, no, I know, but it's like I said, you. You find the commonality and. And it's. It's definitely been a hell of a ride.

[A]

You know, we got to find y', all, you know, because, you know, you had Ben and. And, you know, we had, you know.

[C]

You know, we gotta get you.

[A]

You got. You gotta get. You gotta get a name.

[C]

I tried. I. I really tried so hard to avoid that side of celebrity. No, no.

[A]

And here's the thing, like.

[C]

And that's. That's, you know, to my wife's credit, and she. And Venus is the exact same way. Both those girls had to be so famous so early, and. And, you know, you've already got the pressure of, you know, you know, having to carry so much responsibility going into that sport the way they were total outsiders and dealing with all the. They had to deal with, and. And they became famous very young. And, you know, I don't need to tell you how many stories of people to whom that happens, or it just goes off the rails. Right? And they have always been remarkably grounded credit to. To, you know, Mr. Williams and.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And Ms. Orsine, like, they did a really good job grounding them in that. And. And it's funny because, like, even to this day, it's never been about the celebrity part. It's like the funniest thing people don't realize is, you know, some of the best days that I know she has and we have are some of the most boring suburban parent days. Right? It's. It's taking a daughter to ballet. It's. It's a lot of things, frankly, that I think a lot of folks probably take for granted because they imagine, oh, well, geez, I'd want to be on the carpet. I'd want to be holding up The US Open trophy. I'd want to be doing all this stuff, which is great stuff. Don't. Don't get me wrong. But it's funny when. When you see someone who's been at the top of the mountain, who's had everything, it's interesting. The things that they value most are some of the things that most of us spend all our lives, you know, trying to sort of set aside while we're trying to do the other thing. And it's those. Those simple joys, man.

[A]

I want to. You know, Alex, when you told. When you told your boys, man, guess who your boy dating? You never go, guess who your boy going out with?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Were they surprised?

[A]

You know, they probably started rolling off thing, man. Not even close. She bigger than them. Bigger than that, bro. No, not. Give your boy some credit. So when you told. When you told your homie, the guy that you're very close to.

[C]

Yeah, these are. These are my guys. I've known them since. Yeah, since I was five. That's how. Okay, since kindergarten, first grade.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

And you know what? Honestly, they weren't that surprised. And really, what that says, I mean, okay, okay, let's just be good. I wasn't out here, you know, just casually dating the greatest of all time across. But. But, you know, I. I don't know. I think these guys got used to me doing really exceptional crazy stuff and. And even, you know, starting a company right out of college. All this stuff. I mean, look, I think it was. It was actually really sweet. My. My pops, my dad, and he was the guy who, whenever. Whenever tennis would come on tv, he'd change the channel, like, right? Because we were a football household. Everything else was like a country. It was a country club hobby. It wasn't a real sport.

[B]

And.

[C]

And I remember telling my dad, and he kind of paused, and he was just like, wait, one more time. He. Because he thought I was punking him. He thought I was kidding.

[A]

And.

[C]

And he's like, you. You're on. You're dating who? And I was like, Serena Williams. And he's like, okay, come on, come on, come on.

[A]

You don't even. You don't even know her. Stop.

[C]

There's no way.

[A]

You're not even.

[C]

What do you. What do you know? You don't know anything about tennis. How did you meet her? That's just crazy. And. But, you know, my boys, to their credit, they didn't. They didn't bust my chops too much. And I don't know. I think, look, it's on its Service. It's pretty surprising. And I will say the, probably one of the most satisfying parts about it was at the time I had just come back to Reddit and we had met folks and we met randomly to breakfast at a hotel in Rome, of all places. And I was going to try to escape the job. I had been there for six months, seven days a week. Like I wasn't. My head of comms was like, you got to get, you got to go on a trip. Like, get out of here. You're just redlining. And she sent me to Rome to do the speaking gig. I didn't want to go do it, but I did. And I just pulled up at breakfast one morning and basically Serena and her team tried to get me to move. I didn't move. And she was like, my team was planning on sitting there, and I was like, that's fine, they can come join me. And, you know, we started a conversation and she pretended like she knew what Reddit was and this was 2015. She was trying to be really polite, but, but she really had no, no clue. And I mean, to be honest with, it wasn't that big back then anyway, but, but thankfully, thankfully we kept the conversation going and, and she was curious enough about the tech industry that, yeah, the rest is history.

[A]

You know, Alex, I'm gonna get you out of here on this one. A guy once told me, he said, he asked me a question. He said, shannon, you know why movie star stars marry other movie stars? And I'm like, they like each other. I mean, he said no, he said, because the other know what it's like to live in that world. You know what it's like to devote time to be great. She knows what it's like to devote time to be great. So you guys know what it's like to live in the other's world.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And you bring these worlds together.

[C]

That's not bad.

[A]

You know what?

[C]

And I, and I'll tell you, I, I, I will. It is obvious how much, like you said, have having someone who is just so motivated on so many levels. And I see, I mean, the role model she is for our daughters. You couldn't ask for a better, better mother your children. She also taught me that there's more seasoning than just salt and pepper. You could use seasoning other than just salt and pepper. So I've learned a lot. But no, I, I really, I feel, I feel so fortunate. It's, it, like I said, it's been out of a journey. And then as a fun surprise, she's actually going to be handing out the Tiffany crowns at Athlos tomorrow night.

[A]

Wow, that's amazing.

[C]

And she was feeling left out last year, and so she was like, hey, I want to. I want to be a part of this. And so, yeah, it's gonna be a lot of fun for the ladies. So on top of the cash prize record breaking, they're getting those Tiffany crowns we did from the goat.

[A]

Well, we missed it. We missed it this year, but I promise you, we'll be there next year.

[C]

You got to. We're gonna have multiple meets, so New York be there.

[A]

That's our thing, you know. Hey, we've talked to a lot of them during the Olympics. We talked to them during the world championships, and we. Hey, we want to help any way we possibly can to grow the sport of track and field. Obviously, we're. We're very women friendly. We want them to be the best. Alexis, thanks for joining tonight. Tell Serena hello and talk to you again soon.

[C]

Shannon, Chad, y' all are amazing. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

[A]

Appreciate you, bro.

[C]

Thank you, guys.

[A]

Tickets are on. Tickets for the Athalos New York City are also on sale [e-mail]. make sure you go get those tickets, see your favorite track and field athletes compete. Hey, Messiah already said she got her cash app ready, so she ready to get. Hey, just punch it in. Good to go.

[B]

Hey, matter of fact, I think I should. I should compete, huh? No.

[A]

Next year. Okay. Okay. Let them. Let. Let them have their. Let them have their moments. Thanks, Alex. Appreciate you, man. Best of luck on everything. We'll see you down the road.

[C]

Thank you, guys.

[B]

Yeah.