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Shannon Sharpe
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Shannon Sharpe
Wow wow wow. Thank you for joining us for Another episode of Nightcap. The Indiana Pacers take a commanding 3:1 lead. 130, 121. Boy, what a night for Tyrese Halliburton, Pascal Siakam and Benedict Matburn. They carried the Pacers to a victory and they're one win away. One win away from going to the NBA Finals. Wow, what a ball game. I am your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharp, my partner and co host, Liberty City own Bengals Ring of fame honoree, Pro Bowler All Pro. That's Chad Ochocinko Johnson and as normal joining us to break down, break it all down. ISO Joe, Arkansas, Little Rock native, University of Arkansas alum. And he's here to talk to us how Indiana was able to come back and do this, giving up the big lead they had in game three. But they came back and basically led from start to finish the entire night and they get it done and they're one win away from going to the NBA Finals. Guys, please make sure you subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed. Wherever you get your podcast from, every subscriber counts. We want to thank you, each and every one at Nightcap want to thank you guys for your support, your continued support. Because without you, there is no Nightcap. And what we've been able to accomplish in just a short amount of time is thanks to your support, your eyes, your ears and your word of mouth. Thank you very much. And hopefully you continue that support. Make sure you check out Shayball. We do have it in stock now. If you cannot find it in a city or state near you, order it online and we'll ship it directly to your door. But you best believe we will be shortly in a city or a state near you. It's a very special premium VSOP cognac. Best on the market. Try it. You will not be disappointed. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Make sure you go follow my media company page on all of his platforms. Shay Shay Media and my clothing company, 84. That link is pinned in the chat. Supplies are limited and once they're gone, they're gone. So please make sure you grab yours while supplies last. Pacers beat the Knicks 130, 121 to take a 31 series lead. They head back to MSG, advance to their first NBA Finals since 2000. The first player in NBA history with a triple, double and zero turnovers in the conference finals, Tyrese Halliburton. We talked about Ocho the other night. He needed to be more aggressive. That was not aggressive. What he had the other night. Yes, sir. Tonight he had 15 in the first quarter. He had 20 in the first half. I say, now, this is the Tyrese Halliburton that I wanted to see in game three. But it doesn't matter. He showed up tonight. 32 points, 15 assists, 12 rebounds, 0 turnover. Pascal Siakam said, ain't no fun if I can't have none. Hey, let me come to the party too. 30 points, five rebounds, two assists, a steal and a block. He was 11 of 21 from the floor, three or four from the three point line, five or six from the free throw line. Hey, Miles Turner. He had 13. But Mather played his best game in a long, long time. In only 12 minutes, 5 of 8 from the floor, 10 of 11 from the free throw line, 20 big points. Ojo, we talked the other night also, Joe, you weren't on. I said, ocho, look, they only have four guys with double figures. They had five tonight. And see that team, 16, 13. But you got 32 from Halliburton, you got 30 from Siakam, and you got 20 from Mathburn. And that was enough to overcome the 31 points that Jalen. Jalen Brunson had. Cat had another big game again, 24 points, 12 rebounds. OG had 22 miles. Mikhail Bridges had 17. Josh Hart off the bench was 12 and 11. But it was not enough. The Pacers basically lead from start to finish. And they just have that ability to, like when the game get close to take off and make it double digit again.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
Joe, what did you like about what the Pacers did tonight?
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Joe Johnson
Man, Ocho, I just. It seemed like the Pacers understood the assignment, especially Haliburg Siakam, you know, them dudes came out, Nate Smith, they came out and set the tone early, you know what I mean? They got off to a pretty good start. I thought Cat getting in foul trouble early, you know, hurt the Knicks. But you get Matheran coming off the bench playing the way he's been playing, the way he played tonight. He hadn't played well this series.
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Shannon Sharpe
He had not. He has not.
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Joe Johnson
This was a great coming out party for him. He was aggressive. Hey, I'm gonna tell y' all another thing I like about Matheran. He kind of. He a little borderline dirty. He a little border.
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Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah.
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Joe Johnson
Hey, hey. But I love it though, Uncle Ocho, you know what I mean? Because for the Pacers, they got a lot of dogs over there, man. He came off that bench and he gave them everything that they needed. I thought his energy, effort carried over throughout the whole entire game. And Halliburton was unbelievable. I mean, the triple, not just a average triple double. That's a big dog. Triple double.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
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Joe Johnson
No turnovers.
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Shannon Sharpe
No turnovers. That was a 15 assist and no turnovers.
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Joe Johnson
And if he got 15 assists, that means he's helping other guys get off. He had plenty of help tonight. I thought he got off to a great start. He was, he was very aggressive today in game four versus, you know, last game, Game three.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yep.
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Joe Johnson
I'm sure he heard you guys. You know what I mean? He came out with it on his mind and ultimately he controlled the game from start to finish.
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Shannon Sharpe
He's like, hey, I got Pops back. They freed Pops. Pops was incarcerated. Hey, Ocho. He had to spend eight days in the county. And so, you know, they got him up out the county and so now you saw what he did. He was asked after the game whether having his dad back in the building helped him in game four. Hell yeah. Aaron NE Smith, remember the other night, NE Smith and, and, and Nemhard, they didn't play well. They, both of those guys were in single digits. Now you get Aaron ne Smith, he gave you 16 big points. And when you can find, because they're basically, they're killing the Knicks off the bench, you got Matheran had 20, that's 20, let's see, 8, 10, that's 30. They got 36 points off the bench tonight. When you combine the 36 points off the bench and you got a 32 point performance from Tyrese Halliburton, you got a 30 point performance from Pascal Siaka, that's 62 points right there from your big guns and you got 36 off the bench. So now if my starters give me anything, I got 16 from Nate Smith, I got 13 from, excuse me, Miles Turner. Yeah. Now you really, you really needed to have Jalen Brunson and Cat to have one of those 43 point, 36 point game to try to overcome what the Pacers do collectively. Oo the, the, the, the Knicks fought. I mean they got it down, they cut it down. They got it down to like five. But then again, the Pacers could just run away with it. What do you think happened with, with the Knicks this game? Because it seemed like they came out, tried to keep it close for as long as they could, but it just seemed like they don't have that gear that the Knicks that the Pacers have.
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Chad Ochocinco
And they, they don't have the gear and they also don't have the consistency off the bench. Jalen Brunson has to be on point. Katt, you gotta Stop with the dumb fouls. You know, I'm looking at cat, you grab. You grabbing people's arm. You down there wrestling the paint. Instead of you sitting there wrestling the paint with your arm in air. Just, just reset your arm, man. Just reset your arm. Unnecessary fouls being called the first three quarters. They did. Let's. You know what? Let's talk about the first half. Knicks did what they could to keep the game close, but towards that, the end, towards the end of each quarter, they got. Damn. They. Not only are the Knicks losing in transition towards the end of each quarter in the first half, the goddamn pace is going to goddamn run, Joe.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco
Going to run the end of the goddamn quarter. Third quarter, same thing in the third quarter. The goddamn paces they tried to keep it close pace are going to goddamn running in the goddamn quarter. And in the fourth, they did what they needed to do. But that goddamn Halliburton un. Now we just had a conversation last night, Joe. You know, we talked about superstars versus star. And my dumbass had the nerve to say he's not in the conversation with the superstars in the league based on tonight's performance, not knowing just one game, but he's been very consistent in his play throughout the whole season. Not just what we saw from the night, but I think we need to have a conversation again about Halliburton being a superstar and not just a star. I called him just a star last night and man, listen, what he was able to do tonight, man, Siakam, that goddamn Nimhard, you know, he contributed as well. Stressed the goddamn. Stressed the goddamn New York defense, making it easy for everybody else offensively for the Pacers to be able to. To shoot their shot. Cu the man.
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Shannon Sharpe
Hey, we talked. We talked about Pascal siakam in game two. He had 39 big points and then he come up a little small in Game 3, and he's like, nah, Pascal, now I'm not asking you to go get 39, but I will take 31. But he played. He was aggressive. He was aggressive tonight. And that's what the Pacers need. They need. They're the first of all. Your two best players need to carry you. It's really as simple as that. And then whatever we get from Whatever we get from the N. Smith, whatever we get from the Nemhard, the Matt Burns, the Miles Turner, but your two best players got to do the heavy lifting. When the Lakers, it was Kobe and Shaq doing a lot of the heavy lifting. Robert or chipped in Derek Fisher, chipped in Rick Fox chipped in. They had a lot of guys chipping in, but the two guns got the fire. When you talking about the heat.
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Joe Johnson
Just a second.
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Shannon Sharpe
We talk about the Heat. It was D. Wade and LeBron for the most part. And then we go get Chris Bosch going to chip in. Then we gonna get Mike Miller helping out. We'll get. Hey, you know what? Hey, Rio, give us one of them 20 point games. We need that right now. But your big guns need to fire more time than often. And again in this ball game. That's what happened. Go ahead, Ocho.
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Chad Ochocinco
You know, Joe, I got a question for you. And I got a question for you too. And those in the chat that. That understand the game of basketball. How come Pascal Siakam and Halliburton could look the way they did tonight? Understanding that we both have to play well, we both have to be aggressive. That's the top two guns. And then we watched the goddamn Wolves last night. And Julius Randall and Anthony Edwards understanding they need to have games similar to what Pascal and goddamn Halliburton had tonight. Why is it much easier, or it seems much easier for Siakam and Halliburton to do what they did tonight as opposed to Anthony Edwards and Julius Randle? Is. Are we saying. Is the. Is the Knicks that soft or that. No, dear of an opponent as opposed to the goddamn Thunder, where it seems Anthony Edwards and goddamn Julius Randall. Randall to do what they do. And I don't. I don't know. Obviously, I know everybody gets paid to play the game, but when I think about Anthony Edwards, as great as he is, he should be able to do what Halliburton did tonight.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, I agree. I think Anthony Edwards and Julius run, especially Anthony Edwards because they corralling and trapping him so much, making him give up the ball. He got to pick his spots a lot faster, Uncle Ocho, you know what I mean? Like, once you get a crease, you got to go on attack because, yes, they sitting. One thing they not going to do, they not going to let him play. So, yep, he making the right play. He getting off the ball, he getting other guys involved, but they doing what they doing what they want. As far as holding him to where he's not that effective offensively, to where he's not exploding. Okay, cool. If McDaniel's gonna beat us, we're gonna let him beat us.
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Shannon Sharpe
If.
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Joe Johnson
If these other. These other guys gonna beat us, we're gonna let them, but we not gonna let you play this series. But back to the Knicks and Pacers. I Think the, the, the pace is just, it was too, it was too fast for the Knicks to start the game four by one. They can't keep up with that pace, man. They, they look good that first half, that first quarter, second quarter, but I knew at some point it would catch up to them. And to start the third quarter, they come out here, just careless mistakes that, that, that the Pacers made them pay for. They went on 13, 0 run that quick. Next thing you know, now they're in an uphill climb. Well, they don't, they don't have that type of firepower to really fight back. I know, you know, the home team hasn't played great in this series, but I just felt like the Pacers understood, man, they were aggressive from the start and they knew what was at stake. They knew they couldn't go back to New York with no tied up series, so they played like it tonight. Hey, look, we gotta get Nate Smith a lot of credit too, man. I know we all done dealt with injuries throughout our career. And when you roll that ankle on the side of that ankle, sit on that floor like that, hey, man, that's tough to come. That's tough to be with, you know what I mean? I don't know if they shot him up, but I thought he got off to a great start. Ake Ocho to start the game.
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Shannon Sharpe
I thought his defense knocked down some big threes.
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Joe Johnson
His defense was great on Brunson. He made shots and he was still active. He was still active on both ends. Man, the Pacers look good tonight, guys. They look good. They look like a team who's prepared to, you know, kind of finish this series off. And I just, I just loved everything about it tonight.
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Shannon Sharpe
Hey, I agree.
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Chad Ochocinco
Hey, now, you think about the length and, and, and how good. Obviously, I'm assuming. Well, I'm not sure that the Knick can come back and win this series. How good and lengthy the defense is for the Thunder. Do you still think they'll be able to have the game of basketball, the game of runs, the transition, the second chance points as they had against the Knicks, against the Thunder. Being that, I think they're better suited.
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Shannon Sharpe
The Thunder match up better because the Thunder got wing defenders. You got Caruso, you got Dort, you got Jalen Williams, you got Wiggins. No, you. They match up much better.
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Chad Ochocinco
So that answered my question. That answered my question again. That's why Halliburton and goddamn Pascal Siakam look the way they do against the Knicks. Because it's, it's somewhat of a Lopsided matchup for them.
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Shannon Sharpe
Defense. Okay, well, I think that's also. Here's the thing. The, the what OKC is doing, they're not allowing Anthony Edwards to play one on one, right? If you want to play two on one, have at it. But you're not going to play one on one. But, but if you go back and look at, look at what Shea is doing. They Let him play one on one. They let him go. McDaniels, you got it. You our best defender, you take it one on one, bro. He's the MVP for a weak reason. He had the most 20, 30, 40, 50 point games this year. So you're allowing him, you're allowing the best player and the really great players all can play one on one. You better not let them play one on one and you better not let them get a rhythm early. Because if you let them get a rhythm early, I don't care what you do to them late, you can't bother them. So they've already in a group, they've already in the rhythm. Now you see there's like, they don't look at Halliburton as a superstar. So they gonna let him play one on one. They're gonna try to trap, they do a good enough job of getting the ball. They tried to trap him sometimes, but you see, you see how he getting that three? He let the three ball go. He had 12 three point attempts. Now you gotta push up on him. Now he has the ability to get. You see how he got to the rim or right by him. So you gotta give up something. And because he had those assists, guys were knocking down shots. So they were a lot more reluctant because remember the other night, ocho, they were 5 or 25 from the 3. Tonight they were 13 or 32. So that's 40% versus 20. What? 20%. 20, 20%. So you see the big difference in that because now not only is he aggressive, looking for his shot, when they bring it, he knows where they're coming from. Now he's kicking and guys getting wide open. Look, threes, he did an unbelievable job tonight of running this offense. Guys did a great job of knocking down shots. This is what you go get a Pascal Siakam for. Yeah. This is what you. And this is what you bench, you role players. You're at home, you're expected to play well. TJ McConnell. Hey, I know he gonna give you three, he gonna give you six, he gonna play hard, he gonna make the play that's presented to him. But Pascal Siakam 31 points, five rebounds, three or four from the three point line. Only Reggie Miller and Paul George have more 30.5 rebound playoff games as a Pacer. They really, really, really needed that tonight. They needed Pascal Siakam because you remember when they started making that run, it was him that came back in and hit that big three. Guys remember that big three. And it pushed the lead right back to 10.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, I wonder, you know, I was. When I'm watching, I'm like, I wonder why Pace is still selling for all these long threes. You up Almost. You up 7. Why you keep shooting?
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Shannon Sharpe
They Halliburton, they shot threes in a row.
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Joe Johnson
I'm like, man, get to the cup, man. Put, put, put the pressure on these.
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Shannon Sharpe
Boys and they in foul trouble. And I know the play you talking about. They were up 13 and Halliburton came down the court and shot a 29 footer. I'm going to break y' all back right now, right?
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Joe Johnson
Yeah. Oh yeah. He trying to, he trying to go get him out of there. But you know, Anthony was playing good, he was feeling good. He shot. I thought what was an un. Ill advised shot in the corner, you know. Cause they had to leave. All they gotta do is take their time now, you know, keep putting pressure on these dudes because they all in foul trouble and they don't want to foul. So just keep attacking.
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Shannon Sharpe
And you already in the penalty. You got them in the penalty.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
So there's really no need to shoot a three to shoot a three. Get something going to the back now. I saw a lot of times they call some ticky tack stuff and then there. Sometimes they let them play football.
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Joe Johnson
I'm like, well, damn, it's fizz. Goddamn.
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Chad Ochocinco
It seemed like the refs choose, they pick and choose based on the momentum.
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Joe Johnson
Ye.
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Chad Ochocinco
What the game is at the time, wouldn't let him play.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco
But if you think about it, you think about the game of football, hell, the goddamn refs can call the goddamn flag on every, every play.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco
Or every single play if you wanted, if you wanted to be technical.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco
So in basketball, you could tell exactly when the refs are letting them boys play, you know, on both ends of the court.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah. I think, hey, look to me, this, like this the best series by far.
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Shannon Sharpe
This is not even close.
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Joe Johnson
I mean this is so competitive, you don't know who's going to win. Because the home teams hadn't been playing great. And the Pacers came out tonight, like I said, with it on their mind, knowing that man ain't no way we can go back to New York with this series tied. 2, 2.
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Shannon Sharpe
So Obie Toppet hit a big 3. 2.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
Obie Toppet hit that 3. Cause he was laid out. Halliburton found him, he backed, he stepped back behind the three point line, let it go, shot it with confidence and hit that three. I was like, okay, now, now they.
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Joe Johnson
And they, they very active on defense too, fellas, you know what I mean? Like they getting steals. They in the passing lane. They just wreck, you know, throughout the whole game. Even when the Knicks come down and score, they still fast breaking.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, oh yeah.
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Joe Johnson
The pace is still. They beating them back down the court. I'm like, what the Knicks doing? See, it's such a frantic pace that the Knicks have a hard time keeping up. So they have to try to find a spot where they can rest. And you can't rest on offense.
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Shannon Sharpe
Cause them and passers are not gonna let you rest.
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Joe Johnson
They ain't gonna let you.
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Shannon Sharpe
Because they're looking to push the ball, Joe, make or miss. Yeah, they'll take it out the net and push it. Or they'll get it off the out the glass and push it.
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Joe Johnson
Yes.
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Shannon Sharpe
But one way or another, they're going to push the tempo. And that's what. And when you' not used to playing because look, a lot of times, you know, guy A, they want, they get that ball, they get to the head as soon as they, as soon as they possibly can. Because. And you see what, what you call him is doing, he's trying to play more guys now. He knows his guys is playing at that fanatic place and it's not conducive for playing a lot of minutes. You look at it now, he normally plays seven guys. He played, I'm not counting Princess Achua. The two minutes he played. He played nine guys tonight.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
You see the difference? You see now that pace is like. And only OG played 40 minutes normally. Mikhail Bridges playing 43 minutes. Jalen Brunson's playing 39 to 41 minutes. You see the difference in the ball. Tim knows this pace. And me grinding these guys, nine guys and trying to play 40 plus minutes is really not conducive because the Pacers play. They're going to play 8, 9, 10 guys. That's who they are. That's what they've been all year. There's no reason for them to deviate from that. But I thought tonight they came out on a mission. They did not want to go back 22 to Mortensen Square Garden because now we really, really have a effing series. And it says, you know what? Now if the mindset you gotta have. I'm trying to end it. I'm trying to end it in msg. I don't wanna come back. I know everybody well, they wanna do it in front of. Damn. My home crowd. Celebrate. Go. Go to the arena. I don't know what the arena's called. Go there. We put it up on the big jumbotron and y' all could watch it and celebrate. Yeah, no, I'm trying to. I'm trying to end this thing. What, today? Thursday. I think they play Thursday, so I'm trying to end it Thursday.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah. I don't know who the pace of strength and conditioning coach is, but he. He need an extra. He need an extra little chunk.
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Shannon Sharpe
You need a bump and pay.
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Chad Ochocinco
They need to bump his pay. Cause that they basically a four by one team. You know, the starters go in there. They the first leg, then the bench. No, the bench come in, they the second leg.
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Shannon Sharpe
All of them build alike.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
Bianca Halliburton, they all build alike. They Miles Turner, they long and angular.
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Chad Ochocinco
And they up and down.
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Shannon Sharpe
They ain't got no big. They ain't got no heavy set guys. No big body guys.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
And so, you know, I don't know who the GM is, but he does a great job. Guys that need defense, we need guys that could. And the thing is, is that you look at, look at say outcome, he can defend. Ne Smith, he's there to defend. Miles Turner can protect the paint. Nemhard can defend. Mathburn, he could defend. So they got guys and they got a high flyer, Obie Topping coming off the bench. T.J. mcConnell is a pest. He's going to give you everything that he got. And like I said, they really needed this because Matt Burn has not been playing. Remember he got kicked out of the game in Cleveland with the low blow, I think. Who was that on? Oh, it was on the guy you got. They got from Atlanta.
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Joe Johnson
Oh, yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
Hunter.
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Joe Johnson
Hunter, Hunter. Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
And so he got kicked out of the game. So he really hadn't had a rhythm. But he had 11 free throw attempts off the bench. That lets you know he's extremely. And he only played 12 minutes. That tells me he's extremely aggressive. He's looking to get to the cup. He like, man, my shot ain't falling. Yeah, let me get something easy.
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Joe Johnson
Hey, look like somebody was in his ear and told him, hey, look, man, we need you to come out here, put your head down, go to work.
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Shannon Sharpe
And he did that.
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Joe Johnson
Like I said. Hey, Ocho.
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Shannon Sharpe
He.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, hey.
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Joe Johnson
Not borderline boy. He. He dirty. He dirty. Hey, but I. He could play on my team any day. You hear me?
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Chad Ochocinco
Hey, like. Like, when you. When you say dirty, you mean dirty? Like. Like dray. Like Drayvon.
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Shannon Sharpe
He ain't trying to hurt nobody, but he's trying to help nobody up.
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Joe Johnson
He gonna slam into the floor and then help you up at the same time. You all right? Hey, he was there. He wasn't there. And them the worst dudes to play against. Cause, boy, they know going out there. You hear me?
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Yeah. He don't. He doesn't back down. He does not back down. He doesn't matter who the superstar is, who the player he's going against. He, like. He feels he belongs on the court and he's gonna play accordingly. So it doesn't matter if it's LeBron, if it's Kevin Durant or whomever he has to guard. It does not matter to him. He doesn't let your reputation dictate how he plays the game. And that's what you could appreciate about this young man. But I thought they set the tempo early. Rick Carlisle has done a great job. You see the guys 30. Halliburton played 38 minutes, and he played the most minute. But you got 18 minutes from topping Bradley. Tony Bradley gave you 10 minutes. McConnell gave you 19. Mathburn gave you 12. Even shepherd gave you 14 minutes tonight.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah.
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Joe Johnson
I think if, hey, if Mather, if Matheran plays like this off the bench, I don't know if he gonna have 20 or not. He was only five for eight. I know he shot 11 free throws. They gonna be a tough team to beat Uncle Ocho, you know, if he can, if he comes out and he competes like this from the rest of the series, man, the sky's the limit for the Pacers now. You hope your big guns, you know, continue to give you great production like they did, right? I don't know if they gonna average 30, but they can be somewhere close to it. They got so many guys who can beat you. It's just tough to play against this Pacer team because they're so gritty defensively and offensively. They move the ball, they play the right way and it's hard to key on one guy. Cause you really don't know who gonna beat you.
- [28:56]
Shannon Sharpe
You don't know. You don't know. You never know because there's so many. I mean, like tonight. Yeah. Okay, you get 32. You get 32 from Halliburton, you got 30 from Siaka. But normally it's a guy in like 23 to 25, and you got 19, 17, 18, 16, 13, 12. You normally have six guys in double figure. High guy might have 23, low guy might have 12, but you got six guys in double figures. And so when you don't know, well, who they gonna get a ball to? The open guy.
- [29:24]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
So who do we key on? You better pay attention to everybody. Because everybody is a lot. And see, it's great playing. Oh, Joe, you know, look, you and I, we were pretty much always the number one receiver, the number two receivers. But when you know that quarterback. You know what, man? I know Ocho the guy. But, you know, they double Ocho, they gonna come to me. It's something. It's something in you that tells you, like, man, I got a real chance to get this ball.
- [29:50]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
- [29:50]
Shannon Sharpe
The Pacers, every last one of the Pacers, if you're on the court, they really believe they can get the ball.
- [29:56]
Joe Johnson
You know why, though? You know why? Because that point guard, he's a pass first. Point guard, he always.
- [30:02]
Shannon Sharpe
He is.
- [30:03]
Joe Johnson
Ocho, when you watch. When you watch Helen Burke play again, Ocho. Yeah, Watch him. When he get the rebound and he get the ball, the first thing goes up is his eyes.
- [30:11]
Shannon Sharpe
Yep.
- [30:11]
Joe Johnson
Looking up the court because he's trying to see who's open. He gonna kick it ahead. He gonna make the right play every time. And then if it's not there, he gonna come down, run his pick and roll or whatever you give him, he gonna take it. He shot some deep threes tonight. Two, three feet.
- [30:24]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah.
- [30:25]
Joe Johnson
Two, three feet behind the line. Hold on. But when they go in, you're like, okay.
- [30:31]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, yeah.
- [30:32]
Shannon Sharpe
I mean, you look at it like I said, he got that Kevin Martin shot. It's not aesthetically pleasing. It's not a Steph Curry. It's not Dame. It's not all that rolled up. But hey, and you shoot it so damn high.
- [30:44]
Joe Johnson
I'm like.
- [30:44]
Shannon Sharpe
Sometimes the camera lose sight of the ball. I'm like, well, damn.
- [30:48]
Joe Johnson
Every time he shoot Arkin, Ocho, just watch his follow through. When we say follow through, leave your elbow above your eyebrow. I don't care what it look like, how he get it up there, his follow is all it's the same every time. Every time. Every time.
- [31:02]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah. Hey, hey, hey. You know what's surprising too about Halliburton? You know, we hear about what the players said, the so called players, you know, call them, you know, kind of overrated. Yeah, overrated. And then you watch what he's been able to do on his team from an individual standpoint, and you look at the game he had tonight, to be able to be as aggressive as he was for four quarters, to be efficient, to be able to facilitate, to get his teammates involved, also be able to score as well, then the motherfucker had the nerve not to turn the damn ball over like a goddamn video game.
- [31:37]
Shannon Sharpe
Yep.
- [31:37]
Chad Ochocinco
This ain't 2K. This is actually real. This is real basketball against other elite players that get paid as well. And you damn, they had not a perfect game, but shit, you damn near perfect as a video game.
- [31:49]
Shannon Sharpe
But he's not a turnover guy. If you go back, he's had a lot of 15 assists, no turnovers. He has a lot of double digit assists and no turnovers or low turnovers. He's not a heaviest, a heavy turnover guy. You know, sometimes guys might have 10 assists and have six turnovers. That's not him. He's more apt to have 10, 11 assists, one to two turnovers. If he gets three, you're like, well, damn, had it. What's going on? But go ahead, Joe.
- [32:15]
Joe Johnson
I think the most impressive thing, Ocho, is that, yeah, he didn't have no turnovers, but unc, to do that again against the Knicks, who have long ranging guys defensive, they got. Yes, you know, that's impressive. To go to play almost 40 minutes with zero assists and have them to.
- [32:31]
Shannon Sharpe
Have a big stat line, zero turnovers.
- [32:32]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, that's, that's impressive. But yes, I think Halliburg, even when he's not scoring the ball as well, he's still taking care of the rock and making sure.
- [32:40]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
- [32:41]
Joe Johnson
Facilitating for other guys. And tonight he just kind of got it going. He had everything working going to the cup. He shot a couple mid range jumpers. He shot them deep threes. Yeah, Ocho, you can't double team nobody like that because he got too many guys around him. And like I say, he's a willing passer. So that's what he want. If you double team, he gonna make the right play every time.
- [33:00]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, yeah.
- [33:01]
Shannon Sharpe
You know, he's tall enough to see over it. Yeah, yeah.
- [33:05]
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, I don't, I don't. Okay, Joe, I don't mean to jump the gun like this. Right. But as good as they are in transition, you know, especially offensively, up and down the court, and as good as the Thunder are offensively as well, the long, lengthy, especially defensively, it can be a struggle. Like, it's a struggle for Anthony and Julius. How do you see the matchup? And I hate to jump the gun and jumping ahead when this series is not over, but how do you see the series playing out against the Thunder and the Pacers?
- [33:34]
Joe Johnson
Hey, look, go ahead.
- [33:37]
Shannon Sharpe
It's. I mean, they. They look. The Thunder got six guys that are really, really, really good on the wing. You got Lou Dort, you got Jalen Williams, you got Wallace, you got Wiggins, you got Caruso, you got Isaiah Joe, you got six guys that can defend, that can slide one through three. So we've seen them what they. We've seen what they've done to Ant Man. We've seen what they've done to Drew Randall. We saw them basically play a boxing one and say, caruso, you got Jokic. This team, they're more alike than not. Now, Pacers don't have a Shay. That's the difference. Shay, you let him play one on one. They don't have a defender that can deal with it if you let him play one on one. And that's where. And that's where the Timberwolves are messing up, because they believe McDaniels can deal with him and he cannot.
- [34:40]
Joe Johnson
He.
- [34:40]
Shannon Sharpe
When a guy's in the MVP season and he's playing like he's playing right, because guess what? He's always going to stay aggressive.
- [34:47]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [34:48]
Shannon Sharpe
At this point in time, he's chunked his efficiency out the window.
- [34:51]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [34:51]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [34:52]
Joe Johnson
Got you. You got to go.
- [34:54]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm not. I'm not. I'm serious. Ocho, he's like, the hell with this efficiency.
- [34:57]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [34:58]
Shannon Sharpe
Dude shot 30. He got 40 points. He had 40 points, but it took him 30 shots. He said, I don't care.
- [35:02]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, you can't.
- [35:04]
Shannon Sharpe
He said, remember we talked about it last night, Ocho, only three things are going to happen when you aggressive. You're going to make it. You're going to miss it or you're going to get fouled. Right?
- [35:14]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [35:15]
Shannon Sharpe
Look how many times he went to the free throw line. So it would be a great matchup if it were to happen. I think it's over for the Wolves. I think their series ends tomorrow. They're not going back to middle. They're going back to Minnesota. But the Thunder will not be accompanying them.
- [35:35]
Joe Johnson
No, sir.
- [35:36]
Shannon Sharpe
They're going back. No, sir. But the Thunder's not coming with them. The Thunder's not going back to Minnesota until maybe October, November, December of next year. This year. That's the next time you'll see the Thunder. I don't know if anybody lives. I don't know if any Thunder player is from the Minneapolis or Minnesota area. But they're not coming back. This series is going to end. Pacers gotta be on their best behavior. Cause the Knicks gonna empty the tank on you. They're gonna give you everything they got because, hey, one game at a time. Hey, let's win this game and see what happens in game six.
- [36:10]
Joe Johnson
Right?
- [36:10]
Shannon Sharpe
All I'm thinking about is game five.
- [36:12]
Chad Ochocinco
Hold on, wait a minute.
- [36:13]
Shannon Sharpe
Now.
- [36:13]
Chad Ochocinco
It sounds like you, you, you, you have hope. Now. I know I picked the Knicks to win the series, but the way things are looking and I, I'm, I'm kind of jumping the gun saying this series is over. But it sounds like you think the Knicks have a chance to come back.
- [36:25]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, they got a chance. Look, all the games have been close, Ocho. It's not like, you know, it's not like the series on the other side, whether it's a 40 point win, it's a 30 point win. We've only had one game that we, that we was. That we were watching in the fourth quarter. We've had one game in which we were watching in the fourth quarter and that was last night. Other than that, Ocho, that game was over in the first half. Hey, look, all the games and the game was over midway through the third quarter. So there hasn't been any suspense, any drama.
- [36:59]
Joe Johnson
Right?
- [37:00]
Shannon Sharpe
Any, man. I don't know, man. Ooh, this game could go eat. No, that was last night. And that was like the last couple of minutes of the ball game. Yeah, because basically they kept them at bay. The Thunder kept them at bay for the entirety of the game. What you think it'll show about the. Excuse me, Joe. What you thinking about the defense for the Thunder versus this? If this were to be the matchup.
- [37:21]
Joe Johnson
Indiana and okc, man, I'm probably gonna, I'm leaning more toward the Thunder because they got a lot of guys that, you know, that offensively they can explode as well, but they're a little more polished, I think, Uncle Ocho, than the Pacers. They. Yeah, he gonna, he, he may have threw his efficiency out the window. See, the one thing about him, he probably don't shoot the three ball. Well, Ocho, but he gonna get to the midi, man. He gonna shoot his midi. All night long. You Feel me to stop that? Unless you gonna double team him. But you ain't gonna double team him. Cause he got too many guys who can score the ball as well. You know what I mean? So it's kind of hard, the Pacers.
- [38:03]
Shannon Sharpe
By who you put on him. Because you gotta realize Shay's six' seven. So if you put Niecemith on him, he's gonna be able to shoot over the top of him. You put Neem hard on him, he's gonna be able to shoot over the top of him. You're probably. You probably gonna start Siakam. You start Siakam and Miles Turner. Siakam probably will take Chet. Yeah. And Miles Turner will take Hardenstein. Yeah.
- [38:26]
Joe Johnson
And then you gonna probably start a Naismith on him. But I'm probably. I think the, the, the check homebridge and Siakam. That's going to be a tough matchup for Homegren because, you know, he's more of a perimeter player. He's kind of slippery, you know, when he plays. And I feel like that's going to give Hungry, you know, a few problems.
- [38:49]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Plus Siakam, he's not used to playing a guy that can put the ball on the floor like Siakam can.
- [38:55]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
- [38:55]
Shannon Sharpe
Not only can he shoot the ball, but he can put the ball on the floor. And, you know, Homegren is more apt. He wants to protect the paint. And so he's going to be playing a guy that's really not trying to play with a guy seven foot tall. He's not trying to play with his back to the basket. He's trying to get you out of a perimeter. He's trying to drag you to the deep.
- [39:13]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [39:13]
Shannon Sharpe
Drown you out there. So it's a very interesting matchup, but let these two guys, let these two teams finish it off and then we can have this conversation. Kendrick Perkins doesn't think Anthony Edwards can be the face of the NBA. Perk said, you gotta check the boxes when you're the face of the league. You know, we gotta have a signature shoe. You gotta do big commercials, you gotta have highlights. You gotta have a game. But you know what else you gotta have Gotta be a role model and things outside the lines. Now if you go down the list and check all the faces, you know, you look at Bird Magic, I could have swore. I know a guy that said that last year and everybody looked at me on your.
- [39:47]
Joe Johnson
They killed me when they say.
- [39:49]
Shannon Sharpe
I said this very same thing on espn and people, I said, go back and look at the. I said, how many other faces of the NBA weren't married? But anyway, let me finish on you. Go look at Larry Bird, Maggie Johnson, Michael Jordan, KOBE Bryant, Shaq, LeBron, Stephen. What did they all have in common? They were family men. They were all married with kids. But see, when I said it, because I'm a football player, what do you know? I just followed the game. I've been following the game a lot longer, playing a lot closer attention. And when you go back and study the guys that's been the face of the league, what do they have in common? Why is it so easy for quarterbacks? Look at the quarterbacks, Ocho, Go back and study the quarterbacks that have been face of the league. What do they all have in common?
- [40:37]
Chad Ochocinco
I told you. I told you.
- [40:37]
Shannon Sharpe
Go back and study the NBA players, Joe. What do they have in common? But see, when I said it and chat, y' all know I said it. Everybody, Stephen a looked at me. Molly wanted to just like, oh. I'm like, oh, my God. I'm like, bro, all I'm saying is just go study it. Go look at the guys that's been the face of the league.
- [40:58]
Joe Johnson
So I'm saying, what you think it is.
- [41:00]
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, Joe, Honestly, you know what I think it is? I think it's unwritten rule, Joe, you. You married, right, Joe?
- [41:07]
Joe Johnson
No, I ain't married.
- [41:08]
Chad Ochocinco
Listen, but still, you.
- [41:09]
Joe Johnson
You.
- [41:10]
Shannon Sharpe
He got here, he married. He just ain't got the paperwork.
- [41:14]
Joe Johnson
Hello.
- [41:14]
Chad Ochocinco
All right, but if you look. If you look at how things are going in your life, Joe.
- [41:19]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [41:19]
Chad Ochocinco
You understand God is blessing you. You know, for some reason, things are always going right. When you have stability, when you have a foundation to build on, right? Hey, when you talk about the football players, it ain't no goddamn coincidence. All the ones that are married or engaged, you notice how life is going. I'm not talking about off the field. How about off the field? Everybody in just name that's married. What Kendrick Perkins said. And you said, let me put my goddamn ring on. Shoot.
- [41:47]
Shannon Sharpe
But anyway, Ocho, before you go any farther.
- [41:50]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
- [41:51]
Shannon Sharpe
What? Quarterback just got engaged last year, about to get married. He up in Buffalo.
- [41:56]
Chad Ochocinco
Oh, Josh. Josh Allen. And what they doing?
- [41:58]
Shannon Sharpe
Patrick Mahomes. What did Patrick Mahomes do, Ocho?
- [42:01]
Chad Ochocinco
Man, it's not a coincidence, huh? But not only are they good at. Not only are they good at their.
- [42:07]
Shannon Sharpe
Craft, but what did Tom Brady go do, Ocho? What did Peyton Manning do, Ocho?
- [42:16]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
- [42:16]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, Elway Marino. Go back and study it. The only guy. The only guy that you can definitively say. And I don't know if he was ever to face a league with Joe Nama at the quarterback position.
- [42:27]
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, but Joe is a player. Joe is a player.
- [42:30]
Shannon Sharpe
Roger Staubach. Roger Staubach says, hey, I just. Hey, I'm just like. But I just like, I got one woman. Hey, listen.
- [42:37]
Joe Johnson
So, okay, I can see eliminating the distractions, you know, things of that sort. But what is it? Yeah, what is it, Joe?
- [42:46]
Shannon Sharpe
You not gonna be able to get that because the people look that. What the Tiger look at. What did Tiger do? He went and got married, didn't he?
- [42:54]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
- [42:54]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. What did Tiger do? He went and got married. And when everything came. Because he sold family, he sold security. That's what he sold. And when it didn't happen, everybody was up in arms. It wasn't that, but it's what you sold us. You sold us. It's called stability. That's what you're feeling.
- [43:16]
Joe Johnson
That's stability.
- [43:19]
Shannon Sharpe
A guy that got a wife and got kids. Now, see, you might say, well, hey, I know I saw him X, Y, and Z. But the general public might not ever see him. They see every time he does an interview, he got his door. Steph Curry. When Steph Curry started going to the playoffs and they go in the NBA, Tell him who's sitting on. Who's sitting on that dance with him. Who's right there beside him when he doing them interview. Little O'Reilly. Y' all remember that?
- [43:44]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [43:44]
Shannon Sharpe
And his wife Aisha, in the tunnel gave him a kiss.
- [43:48]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [43:48]
Shannon Sharpe
You see that?
- [43:49]
Joe Johnson
Hey, hey, Uncle Ocho, it ain't too late for aew.
- [43:53]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.
- [43:55]
Joe Johnson
But I'm saying he's at the tender age of 23, Ocho. Oh, he at the tender age. He still got some time.
- [44:05]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
- [44:06]
Chad Ochocinco
I keep forgetting. And only 23.
- [44:08]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, and look, he done took his lumps and bruises throughout, you know, the NBA seasons, the post seasons. He's been through some wars, you know.
- [44:18]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
- [44:19]
Joe Johnson
Time will come. They played great basketball, but, yeah, they still got a little growing to do.
- [44:22]
Shannon Sharpe
Who they talking about? Hold on, Ocho. Who they talking about? Being the face. Tell the people at home, Ocho. Sga. Tell them what his status is. Is he checking the single box or he checking the married box? Tell him which one he checking on.
- [44:33]
Chad Ochocinco
Cho, you married?
- [44:35]
Shannon Sharpe
Absolutely. He is.
- [44:36]
Chad Ochocinco
Yes.
- [44:37]
Shannon Sharpe
Absolutely.
- [44:38]
Chad Ochocinco
I ain't know that. I ain't know that.
- [44:41]
Shannon Sharpe
What about Nikola Jokic? Is he married?
- [44:44]
Chad Ochocinco
He married, too.
- [44:46]
Shannon Sharpe
What about Luca? Is he married?
- [44:50]
Chad Ochocinco
Everybody. Hey, I'm going. I'm well, listen, I'm going to give me some stability.
- [44:54]
Joe Johnson
Go back and look at LeBron Ojo. You ready to jump that broom, major?
- [44:58]
Chad Ochocinco
Oh, well, I ain't playing, boy. January.
- [45:00]
Joe Johnson
What?
- [45:01]
Shannon Sharpe
January.
- [45:01]
Chad Ochocinco
Matter of fact, I'm getting on my. On my birthday.
- [45:04]
Joe Johnson
When your birthday?
- [45:06]
Chad Ochocinco
January 9th, 1968.
- [45:08]
Joe Johnson
That's the same. The same birthday. My son. Bro, for real. My son 18, just graduated high school this year. Yeah, he January.
- [45:16]
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, that's my dog. Tell my birthday dog. I say, what's happening?
- [45:20]
Joe Johnson
I tell him. But I got to watch y' all, though, boy. Y' all sneaky, boy. Yeah, yeah.
- [45:25]
Chad Ochocinco
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
- [45:26]
Joe Johnson
Me would you a Capricorn?
- [45:29]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, but Capricorn, I hope. Listen, signs don't. Don't really identify everybody that's born in that month. That really. That's really.
- [45:37]
Joe Johnson
I'm saying. I'm not saying all of it pertains to you they got on that, but.
- [45:41]
Shannon Sharpe
Y' all got a lot of similarities.
- [45:42]
Joe Johnson
There we go, there we go, there we go.
- [45:44]
Chad Ochocinco
Nah, nah, nah. Because I. Listen, I don't. I don't. I'm not into signs. I don't know much about signs. You know, I. I hear from time to time and you meet people. But I get along with everybody. Everybody loves me regardless of what sign they are.
- [45:57]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [45:58]
Chad Ochocinco
I just. I don't understand. I'm. I'm nothing like what they say Capricorns are like. I'm a good dude, and I'm just looking for somebody.
- [46:06]
Joe Johnson
I'm not saying you. I ain't saying.
- [46:07]
Shannon Sharpe
We ain't saying you a bad dude.
- [46:10]
Joe Johnson
I think you're a good dud dude.
- [46:12]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah. Yeah, I'm a good. I'm a good dude. I'm a good dude.
- [46:14]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, bro, we gotta watch you.
- [46:16]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
- [46:18]
Shannon Sharpe
Like a Hulk. But I do. I know a guy said this and I. I listed all the guys. A lot of the guys that perk name. I listed those guys. Yeah, that. That's what happens when you let a football guy talk about basketball. Now there's a basketball guy. See, they are. Look, obviously it touched the nerve. I just go back and look at the face of the NBA and tell me. And tell me what they were. Take football aside, tell me what the guy. Any. Tell me the guy that's been the face of the NBA. That did not a show display stability. Tell me the guy.
- [46:54]
Joe Johnson
Hey, I'm with you when you right.
- [46:57]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah. Hey, do you think. You think Anthony Edwards could be the first one to change that.
- [47:02]
Shannon Sharpe
Boy? Hey, there's family value. There's morals. And some people Just don't. I mean, it's different. It's different. Yeah. Yeah. But they say the problem is a lot of people, they said, hey, they're trying to destroy the nuclear. The family. Nuclear.
- [47:17]
Chad Ochocinco
No, I mean, listen. Everyone operates at a different frequency.
- [47:21]
Shannon Sharpe
Everybody. Okay, you could operate that. You just can't be faced with the NBA. You could operate that. It's okay.
- [47:25]
Chad Ochocinco
Okay. Yeah, you're right. You're right.
- [47:28]
Shannon Sharpe
And I think that's a large part of why he doesn't. Because he doesn't. I don't want to do that. I still want to go to my little dive hole in the wall. Y' all don't see me. I got my shades on. I'm tucked in the cut. I don't want all that. I don't want all of that. That comes along with being. Because now you got people. Now you got people really out there trying to.
- [47:49]
Chad Ochocinco
In your business, trying to lift the.
- [47:50]
Shannon Sharpe
Covers up so they can show the world what you really doing and then let the COVID fall back down on you.
- [47:55]
Chad Ochocinco
And him only. And only being 23, you have to move.
- [47:59]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, he 23.
- [48:00]
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, hold on. You got to move. Completely different. Completely different. Once you cross that line, open the marriage into having stability. And you have to. At that age, with that kind of money, you're going to. No.
- [48:12]
Shannon Sharpe
And most. And most of the guys that we talked about.
- [48:14]
Chad Ochocinco
He live in Atlanta, too, huh?
- [48:15]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. And the pro. And the thing is, a lot of these guys. LeBron knew Savannah since they were 14. Steph knew Aisha when they were teenagers. Yeah. Magic knew Cookie. Steph met. Excuse me, not Steph. Kobe met Vanessa his first or second year in the NBA. He's 19, 18, 19. She's a senior in high school or junior in high school. Ant man is 23. You gotta realize. Kobe is 19. Ant man is 23. He meets somebody's like, okay, this is it for me. Hey, I met mine. Got it?
- [48:58]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
- [48:59]
Shannon Sharpe
How long Magic was dating Cookie in college.
- [49:02]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
- [49:04]
Shannon Sharpe
So it's a different time now, and it's getting harder and harder to date. To date. Because you don't know.
- [49:14]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, you don't.
- [49:16]
Shannon Sharpe
But for me, looking at it from a distance and studying the NBA like I have, and looking at faces of the NBA. Go back and look at the guys that was the face of the NBA and look at their home situation.
- [49:31]
Chad Ochocinco
Now. Hey, Joe, I want you to watch. Right? See, I want you to pay attention to people in the chat. I want you to pay attention to the difference in our cups. All our cups are runneth. Over right now. Everything is going good. Everything's going smooth. Now, I want you to see how life changes for your boy in 2026 when he crossed that broom. You hear me?
- [49:53]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. Yeah.
- [49:54]
Chad Ochocinco
I want you. I want you to see how life changes for me. Now what I want you to do is I want you to pay attention Now. Remember I told you this. It's May. It's May 27th.
- [50:03]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
- [50:04]
Chad Ochocinco
2025, when I jumped in that room after my birthday. I want you to see how life changes exponentially. And I want you to follow suit. Right behind me.
- [50:13]
Joe Johnson
She dumb my.
- [50:15]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, yeah, he gonna jump the boo. Matter of fact, we gonna jump at the same time.
- [50:19]
Joe Johnson
Hey, Ojo, it's time for him to put it up. He got to put it up.
- [50:22]
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause listen, we need to. Listen, we need to be. We gonna. We gonna be on the right track, right?
- [50:28]
Joe Johnson
Okay.
- [50:28]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, we gonna be on the right track. So I'm gonna go ahead and take the lead. I'm gonna start it off. It's gonna be like dodgeball. It's gonna be like that. Yeah, you got time to play way.
- [50:41]
Joe Johnson
Shit.
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Shannon Sharpe
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- [51:54]
Joe Johnson
Degree's whole thing is it turns up the sweat and odor protection when you turn up the effort. And good thing it does because Cool Rush fans really turned up the effort to bring back the original formula. One guy even started an online petition and degree listen.
- [52:10]
Shannon Sharpe
They admitted they effed up and are bringing the original Cool Rust scent back. And it's exactly how you remember it. Cool, crisp and fresh. It's back in Walmart, Target and other stores now for under $4.
- [52:21]
Joe Johnson
There's a reason why it's been the number one men's antiperspirant for the last decade.
- [52:26]
Shannon Sharpe
It's the same reason why people were.
- [52:28]
Joe Johnson
Not happy when it changed. So if you never tried it, it might be a good time to see what the fuss is about.
- [52:34]
Shannon Sharpe
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- [53:48]
Shannon Sharpe
Charles Barkley also chimed in on the face of the league hey espn, I love you guys. Don't try to make Ant man. He said Anthony Edwards. But don't. Like, don't. Don't try to make Anthony Edwards the face of the NBA. There's a face of the NBA. It's Shay Gilgis. It's Nikola Jokic, it's Giannis. You can't give it to people. They have to take it. And SGA is taking it right now.
- [54:08]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, he is, man.
- [54:10]
Shannon Sharpe
But I mean, and look, once somebody tells you so, I mean, Ant man told us that's not what I want.
- [54:15]
Joe Johnson
Right?
- [54:15]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
- [54:17]
Shannon Sharpe
And it's like the more he says he doesn't want it, the more people try to bestow it upon him.
- [54:22]
Chad Ochocinco
But you know why? You know why? It has nothing to do with, you know, forget I'm not. Obviously people can say, oh, look how he's playing out. Listen, he has this as good as.
- [54:33]
Shannon Sharpe
He has personality, he has charisma, he has charm, he has everything that you have.
- [54:37]
Chad Ochocinco
Yes. As good as XG is, he still doesn't have that it factor that an has. He just doesn't. As great as he is, Joe, he's back office.
- [54:49]
Shannon Sharpe
I just think it's hard for.
- [54:54]
Chad Ochocinco
A.
- [54:54]
Shannon Sharpe
Foreign born player to be the face of the NBA. I just do.
- [54:57]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, you think, you think, you know where you think that has anything to do with it? You think? No, a little bit smidge, It'd be the same thing.
- [55:05]
Shannon Sharpe
You think, do you think an American born player can be the face of football? European football?
- [55:11]
Chad Ochocinco
Soccer?
- [55:12]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [55:13]
Chad Ochocinco
Oh, that's impossible. You would have to be a. See, that would be damn near impossible. That mean no disrespect.
- [55:23]
Joe Johnson
Let's give my ant man. Get ant man a little time, man. Yeah, he's still at a tender age.
- [55:30]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. 23. It takes a special type of something because you got to go back and you go back and think like Magic was 20 when he came into the league. He won the championship, bird, all those other guys. But normally, you know, guys were. Guys were 22, 23 when they was getting to the league, Ocho.
- [55:50]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [55:51]
Shannon Sharpe
And so now guys are one and done. You asking an 18, ain't no 18 year old about to get married. No 19 year old.
- [55:59]
Joe Johnson
Hey, look, because you live in the American dream, this is something that you've dreamed about since you was a kid. Now that you get to this point, especially at a young, young age, 19, 20, man, you ain't trying to be tied down. You trying to go after.
- [56:15]
Chad Ochocinco
You got. You got to be mentally. You have to be mentally prepared. You got to be mentally ready for that.
- [56:21]
Joe Johnson
Oh, I think you got to come from like you got to have parents that were married. You have to have been. So I think, I think if you was raised in a household and your parents been married, I think it's a lot easier because look, uncle Ocho, all my partners I grew up with. Yeah, man, listen, they all married, but all they parents, they all been married since we were kids, bro. I'm the only one grew up in a single parent household. Right. You know what I'm saying? But my closest homeboy, my closest homeboys, they married.
- [56:55]
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, but you know, it also come down to actually finding someone actually you can marry though. There's a difference. It's not. We ain't talking about just aesthetics, you know, I'm talking about someone of substance outside of just looks. So actually finding someone to marry is. That's difficult. That's also difficult. I hear. I come from. I come from a one parent, you know, household. I didn't do things the traditional way, but I do actually value marriage and, and want that. I want that stability. Especially at my. At, at old age after being out for sure streets. Hey, you know, Joe, after being out in the streets for so long and understanding what's out there, one that I'm saying there's nothing wrong with that. Ain't nothing out there, but it's an investment where you get no return. Yeah, I don't care how much you spend and I don't care who you spend it on. Yeah, it looks good. It's aesthetically pleasing. It's good to, to be able to be someone sponsored for a while, but it gets you nothing in return.
- [57:50]
Joe Johnson
Well, you gotta understand. You gotta understand the things that you've experienced and been through. You know, you, I mean you. We. We in our 40s now. So, you know, I thought process a lot different versus 40s.
- [58:02]
Shannon Sharpe
Well, I'm head to war 60 keep talking about it.
- [58:07]
Joe Johnson
Imagine when you was 20, 21, 22. Boy, look, they probably couldn't tell you nothing at all.
- [58:16]
Chad Ochocinco
No, no disrespect at all. At all. Because it's not. I didn't view it that way. So to even tie myself down or even think about having the discipline to do it at that age. It would be. Joe. It'd be impossible, Joe. It'd be. And hell, to this point, even, even, even to date, it's still been almost a struggle. Yeah, but, but my discipline has gotten much. It gotten much, much better now that I know. Know what the f. I want.
- [58:42]
Joe Johnson
Right, Right.
- [58:44]
Chad Ochocinco
In different people, you experience people differently. And different people that you meet bring different sides of you out. And when you meet the right person, you're like, well, God damn, this is different. Yeah, damn, I ain't got to go through this no more. Well, if this is how it's supposed to be, well, boy, it's easy for me to stop doing this because this is what I have here.
- [59:07]
Joe Johnson
Absolutely.
- [59:09]
Chad Ochocinco
So it's, it's hard to get people to understand like, well, damn, I actually can do this because I got to. I, I mean, I'm speaking, I'm not speaking for me in general. I'm just speaking in general. If you have the discipline to be Great at one, at a sport, and you pour into it, then you can also have the discipline to be great in other areas in life, too, in all aspects of life. You know what I mean?
- [59:32]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, I agree.
- [59:33]
Chad Ochocinco
It's been. It's been a. A good. A good, easy journey. There have been some ups. There have been some downs. You know, I had things that I thought were good that didn't work, but it's still. Still cordial, you know, My dog and, you know, you just. You want to go on to something new, and you try to. Try to flower that. You try to flower that and hope it blooms the way it should.
- [60:01]
Shannon Sharpe
Right.
- [60:02]
Joe Johnson
I get you.
- [60:03]
Chad Ochocinco
Oh, hey, aren't we all off topic? My bad.
- [60:05]
Shannon Sharpe
What y' all was talking about?
- [60:07]
Joe Johnson
We talking about this marriage thing, Ocho.
- [60:09]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah. Well, look, every. My. My grandmother and grandfather was married. Every last one of my uncles was married. All of my aunts was married, except one brother's married. My sister and I are not. My mom was, obviously to my dad, and then they got a divorce and she got remarried. I'm trying to think. Burns is married. Bucket is married. You ever get something? Huh?
- [60:39]
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, hey, the funny thing about it. Look, listen. Everything you just said right now, right? See, the knock is at the door. All you got to do is answer. All you got to do is answer. Now, I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna take that leap of faith for you. I'm gonna start.
- [60:53]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay?
- [60:54]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
- [60:55]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm gonna let you have it then. Okay. But you know, I'm gonna play close attention to you. I'm gonna study you. I'm gonna study. I'm gonna study you. I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be. I'm gonna Let me be an apprentice.
- [61:06]
Chad Ochocinco
Right, right, right, right. I got you. I said matter of fact. I tell you what. I tell you. I'll do one better, Joe. I do one better for him, right? Chat, disappear. When you decide to follow in. In the steps of God and finding stability in a good foundation to continue to build on what you already have going on, which is phenomenal, by the way, but again, I told you, a house is not a home until a woman get a touch on it. Oh, you.
- [61:34]
Joe Johnson
That.
- [61:35]
Chad Ochocinco
I don't care what you got to go. I know things are great, but I'm Gonna pay your 5,900 when you decide to jump that broom.
- [61:42]
Joe Johnson
Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa.
- [61:43]
Shannon Sharpe
You not finna put that stipulation on me. Talking about you gonna pay me my money and I get married.
- [61:47]
Joe Johnson
Child, what kind of bullshit is that? Oh, man, that. Hey, that's cold. That's some cold work there.
- [61:53]
Shannon Sharpe
I'mma pay you your money. Once you decide, once you decide, decide to take that step, boy.
- [62:06]
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, I'm just playing. I'm just playing. I'm just playing. I'mma get it back. I'mma get it, I'mma get it to you. But what, what? Hey, what, what the day is today? 27, huh?
- [62:17]
Shannon Sharpe
47Th. It's Tuesday.
- [62:19]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, yeah. You know, my month, my month of June. I ain't really got nothing to do. I ain't really got no. I took care of my overhead, you know, I paid May and June and got it out the way. So I don't really need nothing, so I got extra left over.
- [62:31]
Shannon Sharpe
I sure appreciate that.
- [62:32]
Chad Ochocinco
That to you.
- [62:34]
Shannon Sharpe
Some discourse has started this week about how this Thunder team could be even scarier. No matter what's happening this playoff Thunder we'll be adding Serbian star Nikola Jopic to his rotation next season. Jopic was the number 12 pick in the 2024 NBA draft. It picked the OKC guy from Houston in the 2019 Westbrook trade. But Jopic had a torn ACL and would miss his entire rookie season. And that scared away most teams except OKC. Before the injury, the 6 inch jopic was viewed as a top 5 prospect as a playmaking point guard. CBS Sports Mock Draft had him as high as number 2 at one point. Next season he'll finally make his NBA debut.
- [63:20]
Joe Johnson
Man, OKC got a lot over there. Okay. Ultra. I don't know how they gonna keep all them guys together.
- [63:27]
Shannon Sharpe
They're not. They gotta, because, you know, hey, that now because, you know what you call him can sign 4 for 294 or he can wait 5 for 380. Jalen Williams gonna want to get paid. Chess gonna want to get paid. I mean, I, I like this guy because now you got somebody that's gonna handle the ball when, when Shay is on the bench, if he's what. What they said he is, we, you know, see, but it's gonna be. It gets hard, man. It gets hard, Ocho, because when you start winning, people come, start raiding your hen house. They wanna, they want, they want your chicken that's been laying these golden eggs.
- [63:59]
Chad Ochocinco
That's a good one.
- [64:00]
Shannon Sharpe
And that's, and that's what happens. If you see it in football all the time, you see what happens. Eventually Phillips is not going to be able to keep all these guys, those great defensive players. Now you play Jalen Carter. What you gonna do with Jordan Davis? What you gonna do what you gonna do with Cooper, Dejan? What you gonna do with Brother Mitchell? What you gonna do with them? Ocho. Yeah.
- [64:22]
Joe Johnson
Uncle Ocho, when you winning, everybody. Everybody eats. So you have to go into the luxury tax. Gotta take care of these guys. Just like, if Boston would have won this year, man, they wouldn't have been. They wouldn't have cared about paying those dudes.
- [64:36]
Shannon Sharpe
They'll break that thing up.
- [64:38]
Joe Johnson
Now they are. Yeah, now they are. But just.
- [64:40]
Shannon Sharpe
But I think. Even if they had one, I think they break it up because you got two. You got. Think about it. You got two guys making over 300 million. You got. Think about it. You got Derrick White and you got Holiday making well over a hundred million. You got Al Horford probably making 35 to 38 million, and you got Brazingas. Right?
- [65:00]
Joe Johnson
I think. I think if they. If they had a chance to win it this year, I think they willing to go into the luxury tax and pay that. It's just like, okay, see, if they win it this year, they gonna have to go into the luxury tax, man. They're gonna have to pay them dudes.
- [65:14]
Shannon Sharpe
But I heard the thing, see, And I. Because I'm looking at the Lakers. The Lakers had the same situation. They won it in 2020 and broke the whole thing up.
- [65:22]
Joe Johnson
Y' all don't know what that was about. I don't know. I don't know what that was about. They had a. They had a great team. I know it was in the bubble, but they had a great team. And if them dudes.
- [65:34]
Shannon Sharpe
I think you got to bring it back just to see if you can repeat.
- [65:37]
Joe Johnson
I agree. So it. I think it makes you wonder, like, was there something more to it than just basketball? You know what I mean?
- [65:45]
Chad Ochocinco
No.
- [65:47]
Joe Johnson
We'll never know.
- [65:49]
Shannon Sharpe
Carmelo Anthony and PG Paul George aren't convinced that Giannis will have to be traded from Milwaukee, despite the rumors surrounding his uncertain future with the organization. Giannis is that old cut era. That old era cut. I think he want to stay in Milwaukee his whole career. That's what PG Said. He ain't going nowhere. Giannis built Milwaukee.
- [66:10]
Chad Ochocinco
No, Absolutely not.
- [66:12]
Joe Johnson
That matters.
- [66:13]
Chad Ochocinco
That matters not. That matters not. I understand PG and Carmelo, obviously very respectable, good friends of mine, but Yanis. Yanis ain't. He's not going back because it's going to be the same thing every year. The man wants to win. The man wants to contend for another title again. No, he doesn't want to. He don't want to lift the heavy load every single night. Every single Night.
- [66:36]
Shannon Sharpe
He's further away now than what he was when he won his title.
- [66:40]
Chad Ochocinco
Absolutely. Yeah.
- [66:41]
Joe Johnson
That's why I don't see him going back.
- [66:43]
Shannon Sharpe
That's the problem that you're up against is that guess what? You see all the guys. What if Shay gets what this year? Tatum already got one. I mean, you're not worried about Steph and LeBron and KD, because they've already done their, you know, next couple of years, they're going to be on their way out. But what about okc? Ain't going nowhere, at least for the next year or two. How do if we talked about this last night, Joe, let's just say they break it. But Dame's not playing next year, right? So even if he goes back to Milwaukee, me, they're not better than the Knicks, they're not better than the Cavaliers, they're not better than the Pacers, and I'm not so sure that they can beat Boston with the roster that they have with just Giannis. So now at best case scenario. Oh, if Orlando, if Bankaro and Franz Bogner stay healthy. Yeah, they're not better than them. So in best case scenario, you filter six.
- [67:44]
Joe Johnson
Hey, look, I think Giannis will always say the right things. Yes.
- [67:49]
Shannon Sharpe
Because he don't want that blowback.
- [67:51]
Joe Johnson
Nah. I, I, Everybody gonna say the right.
- [67:53]
Shannon Sharpe
Thing, Joe, since they saw what happened to LeBron, everybody gonna say, oh, yeah, I want to be here. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because at least LeBron played his contract out.
- [68:03]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [68:04]
Shannon Sharpe
See, LeBron is one of those guys, he never asked to be traded. We play his contract out and people hold him to the same standard. The guys that be asking for trades. Right. LeBron has never asked to be traded.
- [68:15]
Joe Johnson
Right.
- [68:16]
Shannon Sharpe
Play the contract now. His turn. Contract was up in Cleveland, he went to Miami. Contract was up in Miami, he went back to Cleveland. Contract was up in Cleveland, he went to LA. So you gotta think about it. LeBron is damn near as much time in LA as he did his last stint in Cleveland and when he went to Miami, Right?
- [68:37]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. Hey, look, I can see, I don't know how he gonna do it, but I just see Giannis moving this summer. Okay, Ocho, I can't see him coming, going back to Milwaukee, trying to do all that heavy lifting by itself. It's going to be tough, it's going to be challenging because they can't bring nobody in to help him outside of what they already have. They can't bring nobody else in now.
- [68:59]
Shannon Sharpe
And the second best player is injured.
- [69:00]
Joe Johnson
But can you imagine if Giannis Gets traded to a team, to Allah, say the Mavericks or the Rockets or, you know, whatever the case may be, to.
- [69:12]
Shannon Sharpe
Where Golden State gonna try to make a run for him.
- [69:14]
Joe Johnson
Oh, man, can you imagine, like, he gonna have to still do some heavy lifting, but it ain't gonna be nothing like this.
- [69:21]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, it ain't gonna have to do a whole lot of heavy lifting if he got Steph on his team.
- [69:26]
Chad Ochocinco
I asked you. I asked you that last night, huh? You know, where are the scenarios where he could go where the situation would be different than what it is with Milwaukee right now?
- [69:36]
Shannon Sharpe
Well, you gotta break. First of all, Steph is healthy. Dame is not. They play different types of game. Steph is perpetual motion. He's gonna get a lot of wide open looks because you gotta build a wall to keep Giannis out the paint. And then when Giannis kicked, because you saw he averaged six assists, he's getting better as a passer. So the thing is, he's just going to have to get a lot of teams because teams going straight up, they're only a handful of teams that could. Okc, Brooklyn, Houston Rockets, they're really the only team to have the draft capital. Houston have the draft capital and the players. Kathir Yuca, Package, Shingun. Huh? Oh, the Spurs. Yeah, the spurs definitely have the capital. So there's only a handful of teams that have draft capital and players, huh?
- [70:30]
Chad Ochocinco
That's not fair. You can't. You can't put Wimby and goddamn Giannis together, man.
- [70:35]
Joe Johnson
Hey, hey, life ain't fair, partner.
- [70:38]
Chad Ochocinco
Come on, man.
- [70:39]
Joe Johnson
Life ain't fair. You put them on the team, boy. Listen, you gonna be number one defense for Show. For show and what?
- [70:48]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, and what? What pick? What pick? The spurs got what? The pick. Spurs. They got the two first, got the number two pick. So you get a. A big dime. Draft. They got plenty of other draft picks. I don't know if they're going to be willing to part with Cat, obviously. Stephen Castle and Wimby I would think would be.
- [71:07]
Joe Johnson
But anything else, I mean, you got Fox, you gonna have to. You probably gonna have to get off Castle.
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Shannon Sharpe
Okay. Okay. If you got Fox.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, yeah, you got Fox and you.
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Shannon Sharpe
I forgot Fox was there.
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Joe Johnson
You got.
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Shannon Sharpe
So you got Fox, Wimby, Giannis.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, man.
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Shannon Sharpe
You sure? Ocho, wait.
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Chad Ochocinco
Darian Fox?
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco
De' Aaron Fox. Hell, no. That's not fair.
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Joe Johnson
That is fair because Milwaukee gonna want some stock power back and they. Yeah, boy, Castle, he's proven, you know, he just won Rookie of the year, so they gonna want. They gonna want some. They gonna want somebody who's gonna pack.
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Shannon Sharpe
A punch and I want him. I want a proven player. I want a couple of proven players. I might there Kelton Johnson too.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
And I want that number two pick and a couple of other picks and some pick swaps.
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Joe Johnson
Hey, for Giannis, it's worth it because let me tell you. Yeah, I think if he plays with some, some other great talent, he will be more of a willing passer versus, you know, I know he'll still be downhill, but I think he'll be more reluctant. You know, I think he'll pass a lot more versus just driving in there, you know, just trying to get fouls and things of that sort of. He a cheat code, man. He's a cheat code for sure.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
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Yeah, 611. What?
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Six, 11. Moving like a deer out there, huh?
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