Nightcap - Hour 1: Humble Baddies, putting out, celibacy

Summary

Club Shay Shay Episode: Nightcap - Hour 1: Humble Baddies, Putting Out, Celibacy
Release Date: January 18, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe
Guests: Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)
Description: In this episode of Nightcap, NFL legend Shannon Sharpe and former NFL player Chad Johnson delve into the intricacies of their business partnership, personal relationships, and individual choices regarding celibacy. The conversation is candid, revealing the challenges and triumphs of maintaining both personal and professional bonds in the spotlight.

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1. Introduction to Business Ventures

The episode kicks off with Shannon Sharpe announcing an expansion within their media umbrella.

Shannon Sharpe [03:42]:
"We added an addition under our umbrella. We're going to produce and distribute Humble Baddies. A lot of speculation is going on."

Shannon emphasizes the strategic business moves they're making, hinting at internal decisions that may not have been communicated transparently.

2. Communication Breakdown in Partnership

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around communication issues between Shannon and Chad regarding business decisions.

Shannon Sharpe [03:42]:
"I didn't know I was supposed to tell. We're running a business here."

Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco) [04:09]:
"We are partners. Anything that has to do with something that was a part of my life... If she decides to leave me in my life, that means she's gone."

Chad expresses frustration over Shannon’s unilateral decision to sign a new partner without prior consultation, stressing the importance of mutual consent in business dealings.

Shannon Sharpe [05:31]:
"Oh, I didn't... you told me when you leave, you done. That's one less expense."

Shannon attempts to justify his actions by referencing past agreements, but Chad contests the lack of communication.

3. Financial Disagreements and Trust Issues

The conversation shifts to financial aspects and trust within their partnership.

Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco) [07:53]:
"How much was it? I tell you what, I would give whatever the advance was. I give it back to you."

Chad offers to reimburse the funds Shannon allocated without mutual agreement, highlighting the strain in their financial trust.

Shannon Sharpe [08:00]:
"You got over $200 and you try to take more money in my pocket with rail."
(Note: Timestamp may be slightly approximate.)

Shannon accuses Chad of attempting to retract his investment, further escalating tensions.

4. Maintaining Professionalism Amidst Personal Struggles

Despite the disagreements, both parties acknowledge the importance of their professional relationship.

Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco) [08:33]:
"So they can stop trolling. The OO Minions... I'm here to be a supporter."

Chad reassures the audience and clarifies his position as a supporter, distancing personal conflicts from professional responsibilities.

Shannon Sharpe [09:38]:
"Other than that, we’re not gonna allow to do... We are not gonna let you edit or produce."

Shannon sets boundaries regarding their business operations, emphasizing a division between supporting roles and active production.

5. Personal Relationships and Emotional Challenges

The dialogue deepens into personal territories, discussing relationships and emotional well-being.

Shannon Sharpe [44:32]:
"Men will go out of their way to try to please a woman. In the process of pleasing a woman, you lose yourself."

Shannon reflects on the personal toll of relationships, admitting to losing his sense of self in the process of trying to appease a partner.

Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco) [46:26]:
"Most of the time, you're never sorry. Most of the time, you're only sorry because you got caught."

Chad critiques the authenticity of apologies, suggesting that remorse often stems from being caught rather than genuine regret.

6. Celibacy and Personal Discipline

A substantial segment of the episode explores the topic of celibacy and personal discipline.

Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco) [32:54]:
"I'm still in my celibacy journey... I'm two months out and I'm fine."

Chad shares his ongoing journey towards celibacy, highlighting personal struggles and the challenges of maintaining discipline.

Shannon Sharpe [33:57]:
"Red was celibate for two and a half years. Everything crystallized for him... His head just opened up."

Shannon cites a mutual acquaintance's success with celibacy, suggesting it leads to mental clarity and better decision-making.

7. Therapy and Personal Growth

Both hosts discuss the role of therapy in personal and professional relationships.

Shannon Sharpe [38:36]:
"Therapy is successful 70% of the time."

Shannon shares his positive experience with therapy, advocating for its effectiveness in resolving personal issues.

Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco) [38:38]:
"I'm paying you to listen to my problems and you... give me an answer on the issues I'm going through."

Chad expresses skepticism about therapy’s effectiveness, questioning its value in genuinely addressing personal struggles.

8. Reflections on Past Relationships and Self-Identity

The conversation turns introspective as Shannon discusses his past relationships and struggles with self-identity.

Shannon Sharpe [44:47]:
"I wasn't Shannon anymore. I was not... trying to figure this thing out."

Shannon admits to losing his true self while attempting to conform to a partner's expectations, emphasizing the importance of self-identity.

Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco) [35:40]:
"If she left, I'm gonna give her another week. If you give me some in another week, I'm gone."

Chad outlines his stance on relationship boundaries, indicating a limit to patience in restoring personal and professional harmony.

9. Concluding Thoughts and Moving Forward

The episode concludes with both hosts expressing a desire to mend their professional relationship despite ongoing personal tensions.

Shannon Sharpe [36:59]:
"We need to go to counseling. We need to talk about how we can come back together and be a stronger union."

Shannon proposes seeking couples therapy to strengthen their partnership and prevent future conflicts.

Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco) [36:58]:
"I'm never doing that."

Chad remains resistant to the idea of therapy, indicating unresolved tensions and differing approaches to conflict resolution.

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Notable Quotes

• Shannon Sharpe [05:22]:
  "I'm gonna give somebody six weeks from today."

• Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco) [13:25]:
  "Sometimes you need to see it for yourself because... a lot of people that do what we do, they know what we do."

• Shannon Sharpe [27:50]:
  "Men will go out of their way to try to please a woman... In the process of pleasing a woman, you lose yourself."

• Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco) [28:44]:
  "I'm just being honest."

• Shannon Sharpe [38:40]:
  "The greatest apology is change behavior."

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Insights and Conclusions

• Business Dynamics: The episode underscores the complexities of maintaining a business partnership amidst personal disagreements. Shannon’s unilateral decisions highlight the necessity for transparent communication in collaborative ventures.

• Personal Struggles: Both hosts candidly discuss their personal challenges, from relationship issues to celibacy, illustrating how personal lives can deeply impact professional endeavors.

• Therapy and Growth: The contrasting views on therapy between Shannon and Chad reveal divergent approaches to personal growth and conflict resolution, suggesting a fundamental disconnect in their coping mechanisms.

• Future Outlook: Despite the evident strains, there’s an underlying hope for reconciliation and strengthening of their professional relationship through counseling and mutual understanding.

This episode offers a raw and unfiltered glimpse into the intertwined lives of two high-profile personalities, navigating the delicate balance between personal integrity and professional collaboration.

Transcript

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[Shannon Sharpe]

We added an addition under our umbrella. We're going to produce and distribute Humble Baddies. And a lot of speculation is going on. Did Unk tell Ocho about this situation? I didn't know I was supposed to tell we running a business here. And no, I did not tell Ocho. I didn't feel I needed to tell Ocho. We're running a business. And when you run a business, you do what's in the best interest of the business, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Not. Not really in the best interest of business. We are partnership, you and I. We start. We started nycap. If we are partners. Yeah, if we are partners. Anything that has to do with something that was a part of my life, which is including her and she leaves my life, that means she's no longer a part of what I have going on. That's including nightcap. So just because you and I from a relationship, from a football relationship to a business relationship, if she decides to leave me in my life, that means she's gone. So you my dog. So that means.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I didn't say that. Well, I remember saying that, Ocho. I remember you and I had this conversation.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

So you not even standing on business about what you said and how you live based on your whole morals and the way you operate.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're right. I lied a little bit. Ocho, this business we trying to make. I'm trying to make money. Don't you Want to make money?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, I want to make money. But listen, all money ain't good money. All money and good money, that's something that you didn't have to do. As a matter of fact, if you were going to do something like that. Something like that. You know how I felt about the situation already.

[Shannon Sharpe]

She left, right?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

She left.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

So if she decides to leave me to sign her and not even running by me and let me know something, give me a heads up, give me. Give me some type of warning, let me know. Hey, listen, I'm thinking about Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I signed railing up high sign railing her girls to a contract. I'm letting you know.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Here you go with the bullshit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I didn't. Hold on, hold on. No, no, no, no, no. You told me when you leave, you done. That's one less expense. So I figured I was like, well, Ocho don't really care, so let me go ahead and make this happen.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah. I'm saying you got to understand. You got to understand where I'm coming from. It's about principle. You know, you supposed to be my dog. I mean, if you my dog. Nah, you got to play that different. You got. You got to play that different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So all things being equal, how should I have played this out? Boom.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hit my line. Ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, Ocho, check this out. Yeah. You remember back in Atlanta, Rel and I had a conversation. She had a podcast, and she was wondering if I would be interested in having my company produce it and distribute the podcast. She said she talked to you. She said it was okay. I said, sure, Rel, let's talk. Let's reconvene you. And I asked to jump on a call on Monday, which we did, and we discussed it, and we finally got everything, you know, we got them what they needed. We're going to produce the show, we're going to distribute the show, and you know, they're going to do it a couple of times a week instead of the one time a week, they're going to go twice a week. And she was really excited about this. She said you were excited about this. Now, once the. Once we start down an agreement, right, I got to be a man of my work. I say, yes, we're going to do this.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Whoa, Timeout, timeout, timeout. When you guys had that talk, when I was excited about the opportunity for her to join under the umbrella of Shay Media, you know, doing a thing, listen, I would happy for her, but once she decides to leave me, when she decides to leave me she leaves us. She leaves. Anything that has to do with Nightcap?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, she left media.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

She left you. She was still with Shay. Shay Media.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

So see, you see what I'm talking about?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Principal alone.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

If she leave me, then you should be like, listen, I can't work with you more there. There's so many. She.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I had already given her the money.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Oh, you did?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

How much was it? How much was it? I tell you what, I would give whatever the advance was. I give it back to you, but I. I just don't. I really don't think that's a good look. Because now, you know, we. If we in a rough patch right now. Right? And who is we? Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who is we? Oh, you and her? I thought you talking about you and I were the rough.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

We good. We good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We good.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I mean, okay, if I was in front of you, we would have had a tussle today, though. We would have had to tussle. Yeah, we would have had it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

First of all, first of all, I'm gonna be hell at you because you already over 50, $200 and you try to take more money in my pocket with rail.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Matter of fact, the fact you definitely ain't getting no money now, you definitely gonna have to get blood that you ain't run that by me. You ain't even run that by me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay? You. So you said I gotta take it in blood. That's the only way you gonna get it. Don't mind if I do. I don't mind if I do. So. Hey.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

So they can stop trolling. Who? The o. The OO Minions. Yeah, make sure y'all go subscribe to Humble Baddies podcast. Thank you, Shay. Shay Media. Chad, we love y'all. Thank y'all for the support. And he is our number one supporter. He was the first one to subscribe to Humble Baddies. Hey, but listen, listen, listen, people in the chat, I was trolling a little bit earlier today. Now, listen, this. This is all business. I understand business. It's all about putting your people on, you know, allowing them to flourish and whatever endeavors that they have. I was a supporter of this, but this does not change things. No, this does not change things at home. The foundation, the forefront, still needs some work, you know, it still needs some work. But I. Yeah, but anyway, I'm happy for her. I'm happy for her colleagues. I'm excited for their show. I'm going to be producing and doing editing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Other than that, that's what we're not gonna allow to do. That's not what we now you welcome. You welcome to join in and be a guest. Have your little guest bottle there. Right, Right. But we are not gonna let you edit. We're not gonna let you produce, because.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I'm here to be a supporter. I'm here to be a supporter, you know, and if at any point she wants to, you know, reconvene and. And recon and, you know, I sit down and we. We'll. We'll talk about it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that's great. I mean, you have been Rel's biggest supporter because you brought it to us that Rel wanted to be a part of Shay Shay Media. And when she mentioned it in Atlanta, I was like, let's reconvene on Monday. We actually had this conversation. You mentioned to me, Ra had, you know, she had up doing her thing, and she wanted to put it with somebody that have the infrastructure that can make the thing be what she believes it can be with her and her partners. And I said, okay, let's talk to Raell. Rael had a conversation with me. I said, well, let's talk. You and I and Ash will get on the phone on Monday and we'll have a conversation and we can see if this is something that could work. But, Rel, this is a lot of work. I mean, this is not something that you do if you really wanted to be successful, which you found out, Ocho, this takes a lot of work if you want it to be successful. Now if you want to do something as a hobby, okay, I got a little mic, got a camera, and I want to do something 20, 30 minutes a day, that's fine. But if you really want this thing to be successful and to want it to grow, you have to devote a certain amount of time to it. And, and. And knowing real her background, how she turned her real estate thing into a big deal. She has a show on Netflix that's coming out, I think, in a week or two, Ocho. So I know she's going to work to make it. Make it possible. But what I. But the thing is, but you see, Ocho, what you get an opportunity to see. You get opportunity to see how people want to tear you apart real quick, though. Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see how they jump? You see how they jumped on there so far so quick to try to rip you and I apart. So now you see. Yeah, everybody. Oh, I love Nightcap. No, they don't. No, they don't. And hey, guys, all y'all that got that thing, or there might be trouble brewing in Nightcap and Uncle Nocho, we appreciate that, that publisher, because there are certain guys out there, because y'all spend a lot of time talking about Shannon Sharp, talking about what Shannon doing on espn, what he's doing here, what Ocho's doing. We really appreciate that. Yeah. Now, how y'all looking?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And how y'all looking right now?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

It's all love. It's all love. It's all love for all our competitors out there. You know how I feel about you. I still love you. Anyway, there's a big plate and there's enough for all of us to eat. There's enough. You know, you need to understand that. And something about before nightcap, before Nightcap, before it was ever came about, Shannon Sharp was a friend of mine. Shannon Sharp will always be a friend of mine. You know, business. I would never allow business of money to get in the way of that. Never. I've never been one to fall out about stuff like that. There was an opportunity that presented itself. Obviously, Mrs. And I, you know, we going through some rough times right now, you know. You know, but when it comes to business, when it comes to continuing to elevate her and her career and what she has going on, all for it. Even though we might not be seeing eye to eye right now, you know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And the thing is, Ocho, before. Before I got here and, and. And Shay Shay Media Club. Shay Shay Nightcap took off. How many of those people that had podcasts mentioned Shannon Sharp before this thing took off with you and I? Ocho, how many of the things. How many people mentioned Ocho and Shannon Sharp?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It seems to me that the only content that they can create is self made is you and I.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You and I have a disagreement about you coming late. You and I. Disagreement about the players or something. You disagree? I disagree.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I have a question. Can I say something real quick?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go ahead.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

And this is for people in the chat. People in the chat. And this is for you and our team, you know, collectively. I'm never late, actually. You just starting too damn early. That's the problem. I ain't never late, you know, you just starting too goddamn early.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We kind of have a floating time. We kind of like want to start between these times, but sometimes Ocho float past that. Yeah, but this is a great opportunity. For real. They're going to be more. That's going to be more people that's going to join sh. SHAPE Media. We got meetings with a lot of other people coming down the pipeline, so in the near future, we're going to add probably one, two, maybe even three. By June, we'll have three more up under the umbrella that we'll produce, we'll distribute.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And go ahead.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I have one more thing. Now, I understand this is business, right? I, I, you know, and I'm all for business, and I'm all for making money, you know, and sometimes they say all, all money ain't good money. The hell it is in this economy. Well, if I can get it, is there anything. Is there anything we can structure in her contract where I can get a certain percentage based on the finders me? Because.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What Rail choose to give you without a out of their cut, right? That's between you and rail. What we gonna do? Rail is gonna get her check every month. That's all I got for you. That's between you and Real. I ain't got nothing to do with that. Jenny April. I knew Ocho was trolling, and the chat is shady. Quick to turn. Congrats anir. Of course. But I, I, I, I, I text Ocho. I say, I say, see, I say, now, a lot of those people, oh, I love Uncle Nocho, but quick. They were quick to try to drive that wedge in between Uncle Ocho. You see that? You see that? But see, sometimes you need to see it for yourself because. And that's why. That's why I tell people, everybody that jump into my. Oh, I'm happy. I'm excited. No, they not. No, they really not. And I. And sometimes you have to see it for yourself. And I'm glad we got an opportunity to see. Yeah. Do we got people that's very excited for us that could cheer us on and sincerely and genuinely happy? Absolutely. But there's a lot that pretend they're happy and excited, and all the while, I sure hope they break up. I sure hope they break up because we got something going. They know. Because here's the thing, Ocho. A lot of people that do what we do, they know what they do, and they see what we do, and they know what we do. So they know.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, most definitely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They don't listen.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I mean, a lot of people, you know, my, my, My supporters, my followers, they. They were. They were. They were saying some. Some mean things, you know? So they. I apologize to y'all for patrolling the day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, but sometimes you need to see, Ocho. You gotta see who really in your corner. It's like when you tell somebody no, and they say, okay, I understand, bro. You done been so good to me so many times, Ocho. Hey, I ain't got no problem with you saying no. But it's when they say no, like, well, damn, bro, you got that money like that. You can't break your boy off again. Yeah. Then, you know, but listen, I'm.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Again, I'm. I'm happy for her and all that she has going on, obviously, you know, with her real real estate company, you know, Netflix stuff she has going on with Netflix, you know, show coming out every 22nd.

[Bobby Bones]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Then obviously the podcast up on our umbrella. And. And this is. This is what it's all about, you know. You know, having someone on your side that you can continue to help elevate in whatever it is they have going on. It's a beautiful. It's a beautiful feeling. Even though now, what is not a joke is that things aren't where they should be between us. I could just be honest with you and in chat, I could be honest with y'all, too. Continue to work. It's rocky. It's rocky. So the fact that I can compartmentalize and separate, you know, the business side of things and work on the pleasure side later. Later on down. Later on down the line, you know, whatever. UNC decides to be the moderator and be our therapist. But other than that.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho Ed Reed is headed to high school. He was announced as the new Ed OC at Chambly High School, right down the road from the crib. Chambly, you Know, Ocho, it was all in my.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

All of my arms.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Whoa, whoa.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

He got a little too comfortable, but okay, come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see, Air Reed is the new OC At Shambly. Shambly High School in, uh, in.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Okay, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Georgia. It's a little suburb. Hey, you remember one time, Ocho, he was in the running to be the.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Head coacher, but then when he got to the establishment, you know, it wasn't. It wasn't fit to his liking. And, and normally you have, though you have a talk with. With the powers that be at the institution, you know, but he, you know, he took it the wrong way and kind of put it. Put it on the airways and they didn't. They didn't like that. You know, I'm. I'm happy for Ed. I'm happy for Ed. And it's a great opportunity for. For that school. And they. They got a good one. Boy, they. They. They got him a good one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They do. I wish he could have got that job. I wish things could have worked out better for him at. At Bethune.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

That would have been nice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I do. Yeah, it'd been really nice. You see Eddie Jordan at Tennessee State. Coach prime was at, uh, At Jackson. Now he's at Cuz D. Jack Deshaun Jackson is at. What is it? Yeah, Delaware State. Yeah. Yeah. Mike. Mike Vick is at Norfolk. So I'm.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Well, shoot. Since all these players getting coaching jobs, what you want to put. You want to put your. Your hand in that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't. You just told her they don't make enough money.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I mean, the kind of. Kind of money. I mean, not like we. Never mind.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I'm good. I don't have. You probably could do it, but I don't have the patience. I know me, man.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Listen, you. You mess around and put me in an atmosphere like that where my body is still willing and able. I'm still in shape. I'm gonna be in the way because I'm gonna have. I'm gonna be at that suited up and hold in that whole uniform cleats and all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I don't. I want no part of coaching. I'm smart enough, you know? Yeah. Hines Ward is at Arizona State. I think Hines Ward is going to be a coach. Gonna be a head coach. You receive a coach, I think.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I mean, there are a lot of guys. Hold on. Antoine Randall's in Detroit. I think Kenan McArdle's in. Is in Minnesota. But I just. No, I'm not. Perhaps I want no party culture. Don't you ain't no sense to me, fool. I ain't gonna finna hold nobody on that Jaton justice chat. My dog wags his tail when he sees. Must be the dog person or something. Yep. I love animals. Yeah, Animals love me. I need it. Like I said, I'm gonna give me a farm, mocho. I want me. I really want me a mini cow, a mini goat, a mini horse.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Well, if you're gonna have a farm, you're gonna need more than four animals.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't gonna have that kind of farm.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You just said a farm. It's only one kind of farm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no. That's a farm. You talk about a ranch?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You want a mini farm to go with your mini animals?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Give me, like. Give me, like, two. Give me, like, an acre.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I like that. I like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh? They got friends. So the cow be a friend to the goat, the goat to the horse, and then I got to keep Titus because Titus gonna be chasing them. No, Teddy will chase him. Tyler's gonna be like, right? Whatever. Oh, yo, check this out. Here's the Twitter question of the week. So if a female takes a man out, do he gotta give it up at the end of the night? Whoa, whoa.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I love. Now be talking. I got. I can drink that. Hold on. Ah, I like that question. First off, who's paying the woman? I'm assuming she invited the guy out, so she's paying. Yeah, I like this. I like this. Now, sometimes if you get an assertive woman, if you get an assertive woman that'll pay the bill, she will let you know. No gray area. No gray area. When you have a woman that asks you out, when you have a woman that pays the bill, she's letting you know what time it is. You know what the play is right after this, right? I didn't come to play. And these ain't young folk. These ain't young folk. The young.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me get. Let me get. Hold on.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Talk to me now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you telling me there are women out there that y'all can go out and you can get the buns on the first night?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

The older women. The older women. Now, I ain't talking about the young ones. The young ones that want you to pay for everything. Not them. I'm talking about the older women, the older women that are seasoned, the older women that are veterans, the older women that don't want to play games. I'm not here to play no games. Listen, I need to understand if I'm going to deal with you long term or not. How do I know if I'm going to deal with you? I need to know if. When we lay down horizontally or vertically, however you want to do it, if it's good enough. You know what? I'm gonna be around for a while. If it's not, I probably gonna answer your phone call no more. That's life. That's. That's life. Now I'm. I'm 57. I'm telling you what I've been through. I'm telling you what I've been through. All right, now you get, you get, you get some of these young Whipple snappers out here today. That's all about, what can you do for me? Buy me this, buy me that. Get my nails. Get my nails and my feet and my hair done. You know, my wig, I need a new install. That's different. It's all about what you can do that you really get nothing in return, you know, getting no return on your investment.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I'm ocho. Ocho for real, though. I'm talking about. Hold on, because here's the thing. I got. I'm Ocho. I'm extremely, extremely careful because this look. No means no. Maybe means no. Yes means no tomorrow. So I'm really, really out the a. I. Damn it. Like, are you sure? Are you sure? Hey, hey, hold on. Are you sure you don't.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't. I've been up damn near kill the movie. I don't kill.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You don't have to do. That's why. See, that's why you don't have to do that with older women on 40. 45, you know, 55, sometimes even 60. You hear me? They.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What? What?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Playing in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But at ball or ocho. The thing is, the 60, that's my. That's. That's. That's a little older than me. But I'm saying they grew up in the air. They. They grew up in the air. They grew up in the era that I came up in. That.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

What.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That didn't happen.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

These. These women evolved with the times. Huh? They didn't got time to play. They don't have time to play. That's what I understand. Listen, the young. The young folk. The young folk. Listen, the young folk going to waste your time. You know why they're going to waste your time? Because they have time to buy. They young. They have time to waste. I'm 24. I'm 25. I'm 26. What? I'm rushing for what I'm rushing for, man, you get to talking to women, you get to talking to women our age, they ain't got time to play what I'm waiting two, three weeks for what I'm waiting a month for. What do I have, what do I even have, a 90 day rule for 90 days, I might not even be here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn. Listen.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I'm just being honest.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If she like that, I don't need to be bothering her anyway. Might want to kill over.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I'm just, you know how it is. You know how it is, man. Listen, listen. They're pros and cons, huh? They're pros and cons. If you, if you got time to waste and you want to play the game, you, you, you date the young folk.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I'm saying that that's, that's the thing that got. Oh, but see me, I, I don't even ask.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You ain't, you ain't gonna have to ask.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, I gotta ask. God, if you talk about. Hey, so what you doing? Hey, can I come up to you? Oh, no, I already think, Already think something up.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You don't understand, man. You get you from the old, you get you one of them old ones. You hear me? You know, she put, she put that blindfold on. You put the sock in your mouth so you can't talk.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I can't give her that kind of control. Ain't no handcuff. Cause I be pulling that whole headboard off. Hey, y'all, if, hey, I guarantee you I smacked that whole headboard. Bad. Bad. Please. Bad. A, all the, A. Nah, man, I, I, I don't, I don't like being restrained.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Oh, dude, dude, hey, hold on. Let me tell you something. Now, see this. How this. When I tell you you not living. This is what I mean. You not living on. You got to get your swing set right? Tell Michelle to get your swing set. You tie it. Boom. In the, in the, in the, in the. What do you call the doorway? What do you call the doorway?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The doorway.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You tie it, you hang it up in the doorway.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The threshold.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You hang it up in the threshold. Whatever you want to call it. Bingo. That's one. Call it a little swing set. You got to do that. Then bondage, you get, you get the bondage tools.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, I, I, I ain't gonna even hold. Yo. I ain't gonna let that happen. Ain't no tying up. I don't, I can't let you give it. I can't let you gotta let it tie you up.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

And I'm telling you. See, man, I told you, man, you. Hey, listen, she tied you up when you. Your leg, your legs be up, right? But you can't move. Cause they got the. They got the braces.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Legs be up high like a woman. Like, hold on. Like, hold on. You know I got kids. Hold on. So, you know, I got kids. So they put you up in a skirt.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Oh, no, listen, hey, boy, I'm telling. Listen, wait, get. Get. Get your battery, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, man, they come down there like, well, Mr. Sharp, what happened? They head boy gone out that big. I don't smash that joker smooth off, man, please.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, listen, I'm gonna send you some videos, man. So, you know, you check. You check the videos out, and you just experiment. You experiment, you know, You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You. Listen, you. You're 57. At some point, you got to evolve. You got to try new things. There's so much out there that you haven't done yet. You. You. You might like it. You like. Matter of fact, you. You ever been to the swing club? No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No swinging. Man, I ain't even swinging when I was in elementary school. I ain't playing set, man. No swinging going on. Oh, no. Hell to the dog, man. I don't know what you. Hold up your. Nah, that ain't. That ain't. That ain't for me. That ain't for me.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, you say you ain't swinging elementary school?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell no. I don't play. I don't do nothing over that swinging. No, I'm good. I would take y'all word for it. I would take your word for it, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, hey, man, we gotta go to the doctor, man. You ain't got to worry about nothing, you know, Then you'll be all right, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, rapper Red man, Method Red man. There used to be a tandem rap group. Said he was celibate for two and a half years. No sex, no alcohol. So everything crystallized for him. So everything was so clear, and his. Oh, his head just opened up.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Now, what I will believe, Red, man, I will believe that you were sober. I could see the discipline in that area and not drinking. Understand that it can better you and better your life, better your decision making as far as sex is concerned. I'm not sure how that would cloud judgment in any way or cause bodily harm in general. Because sex is healthy for you. It's healthy for you. You able to release it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wouldn't clear my mind. My mind would be so cloudy.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Why?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, I got the free Willing, man. That thing be backed up in you, man.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

No, hey, say, hey, listen, listen. I'm still in my celibacy journey, so I understand what he's saying. But the amount of time. How many years? He said two and a half years. Now, that I can't believe, because I'm on. Let me see. She left me in October. October, October, November. December, November. So January. Yeah, that's. Listen, I'm struggling. I'm. I'm struggling. I'm. We too. I ain't number two months in, y'all. I'm struggling, so I'm trying. Two years. Hey, I'm two months out and I'm. I'm over here. I'm fine.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I give you six weeks. I give you six weeks. I'm gonna give somebody six weeks. I'm in a relationship. I give you six weeks. We need some space. Okay, I'll look at. I'll give you six weeks from today. Six weeks from today.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, what happen if they don't come back after them six weeks?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, somebody. Black hams. I gotta put black ham on somebody else.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, should I try that? Should I say that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, hold on.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

No, I'm gonna try it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, you know, I meant to say.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I got it from you. I'm gonna say that was your idea.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ain't got that for me. I'm just saying what I would do. That's a totally you. And Rel is in a totally different situation.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Confide in everything you say. You like a father figure to me. So if it's been two months for me, and I'm. I'm right here being celibate, and you just said something that you've done or you would do within the sixth time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

And I'm sitting around here waiting two months. Well, just not really for that, but for me, it's giving me peace. It's giving me a sense of. A sense of calm, a sense of clarity. And I'm like, well, shit, I need to stand on business. So, boom, you got. Well, she done. She didn't get no six weeks. I'm gonna give her. Give her another week. If you give me some in another week, I'm gone. I was like, well, she called.

[Shannon Sharpe]

She called you the other night. You say you weren't going to get nothing.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She trying. She trying. But I, I, I'm. I'm. I'm gonna. I'm in a place, in a position where you did something to me, and you need to be. You have to stand on business, and I can't just give my stuff up like that because I'm not easy. Does that make sense?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it makes sense to you. I just like to think, oh, Jordan, it just all depends. Look, if that's something that you really want to work for, if that's something that. Look, because at the end of the day, Ocho, all I'm saying is. All. All I'm saying is, is that the longer you'll wait, the more likely something can keep in. That's all I'm saying. So I. I ain't gonna be out here no six months, no year, no two years, you know, hey, we separated. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I ain't doing that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You right, so. You right. You right, because I'm, you know. Okay, so what. What? What? We try. What are we trying to do? We need to go to counseling. We need to go to therapy together. What. What do we need to do? How do we speak? How do we. How do. How do we. How do we come back together and be at a more stronger union than we were so this doesn't happen again? Because at the end of the. So what do you think it's going to take? Do I need. Do we need to go to therapy? Do we need. Do I need to go to therapy on my own? And we also go to couples therapy. So I'm just trying to. Because I do want this to work because I don't put so much time in it, so much energy, so much effort.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You believe in therapy? You think therapy works? You believe in counseling? I do think couples work. Let's look at. Where's Ash? Ask Ash to look up this. The statistics on the percentage of therapy actually working. Couples therapy, marriage therapy, counseling. I'm curious what the percentage would be on those that actually work for me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ojo, I went in with. I went in with an oj.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Oh, so you did it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Ocho, I don't know what people I've done it. Ain't no did it. I done it. I was in therapy for a long time. I did therapy. I was doing. I just stopped probably about a year ago, but I was doing therapy once a week for $300 a week for like three years.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Reel that shit back in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Therapy is successful 70% of the time. 7 out of 10.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You gotta pay for it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I'm paying you to listen to my problems and you. And I pay for you to give me an answer on the issues I'm going through.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Oh, man. Nigga, please.

[Bobby Bones]

Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and Former NFL quarterback Nat Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing with a Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I. I texted you and you texted me back. Now, I don't know if you have the update, but, like, all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like, it's all colored. They changed it and the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm gonna be honest. It was a little pink.

[Michael Lewis]

There was something sentimental when you. When you send it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It was like, do I send the heart?

[Jon Stewart]

Now?

[Bobby Bones]

I don't like the color edition.

[Michael Lewis]

It's extremely pink.

[Bobby Bones]

Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jon Stewart]

Jon Stewart is back in the host chair at the Daily show, which means he's also back in our ears on the Daily Show Ears Edition podcast. The Daily show podcast has everything you need to stay on top of today's news and pop culture. You get hilarious satirical takes on entertainment, politics, sports, and more from John and the team of correspondence and contributors. The podcast also has content you can't get anywhere else, like extended interviews and a roundup of the weekly headlines. Listen to the Daily Show Ears edition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Michael Lewis]

Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite Moneyball, the Blind side and Liar's Poker. On every season of my podcast, against the Rules, I take a broad look at various characters in American life. The referee, the coach, the expert. My next season is all about fans, and with the rise of sports betting is doing to them, to the teams, and even to my family, I'm heading to Las Vegas and New Jersey and beyond to understand America's newest form of legalized gambling. Listen to against the rules on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

[Adnan Virk]

What's up, everybody? Adnan Burke here to tell you about a new podcast from iHeart podcast in the National Hockey League. It's NHL Unscripted with Burkin Demers.

[Jason Demers]

Hey, I'm Jason Demers, former 700 game NHL defenseman turned NHL Network analyst. And boy, oh, boy, does daddy have a lot to say.

[Adnan Virk]

I love you, by the way. On NHL Network, we're looking forward to getting together each week to chat and chirp about the sport and all the other things. Things to running it that we love, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Jason Demers]

I just met you today, but we're going to have a ton of guests from the colliding worlds of hockey, entertainment and pop culture. And you know what, Tons of back and forth on all things NHL.

[Adnan Virk]

Yeah, you're soon going to find out we're not just hockey talk. We had all kinds of random stuff on this podcast. Movies, television, food, wrestling, even the stuff that you wear on NHL.

[Jason Demers]

Now you wish you could pull off my short shorts. Ferky.

[Adnan Virk]

That shirt of Kazarak us. Listen to NHL Unscripted with Burke and Demers, the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm glad y'all think so, but I see here's the thing with Shannon Sharpe. Everything Shannon Sharp has ever said on television or on Nightcap can be proven or disproven. So y'all saying, cap, that don't bother me because I know firsthand. That's why I'm able to speak so freely and effortlessly about it, because I've been there when the therapist told me, shannon, you're speaking. Y'all speaking two different languages. She's speaking Chinese and you're speaking Spanish. Unless you learn the other language, you're never gonna be able to communicate. Shannon, are you arguing for right or you arguing to be right? I'm not telling you what somebody told me. I'm telling you as I'm sitting on that lady's couch, and she says, shannon, would you mind bringing your partner in here? Because you're telling me this. I want to hear what she has to say. And we go and she said, she asked her, why do you feel the need to try to make him feel like he's less than. Do you understand his background? She say, yeah, she say, do you understand how prideful he is about his background and the way he was raised? He's never gonna be disrespectful. He's never gonna put his hands on you. But why do you feel you need to challenge him?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, that sound intense.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It was. It is. But you have to be honest, Janet. Is this something that you want? And it just got to the point. No.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I didn't want it anymore. I had given all I could give. And she wasn't hearing. I was out I couldn't give anything else. I had given, so. Because here's the thing, Ocho. What I had started to do, I had tried to do be so much, be what she wanted so much. I lost me. I wasn't selling it no more. I was what she wanted me to be, but I wasn't me.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. What? Did you hear what you just said? You tried to. I'mma put it in my word. I tried to appease her and make her so happy. I lost a sense of self.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I wasn't Shannon anymore. I wasn't. I was not married in Barney Porter's grandchild. I was not. I was not. I was not that little boy that grew up on that farm and grew up to be a man. That wasn't who I was. You see, a lot of times men will go out of their way. Women are just saying, hey. Except men will go out of their way to try to please a woman. And in the process of pleasing a woman, you lose yourself. I just had to say, no, Ocho. But you got to be real with yourself. You got to be. You got to want to work on this. You got to want to work, and it takes work. And it's hard to hear your partner say things. They're like, damn, why you saying that? When that's actually. And I can replay it in my head, because I know what I said. I know what I've done. But to hear her say it. Okay, that's why I learned the proper way to apologize. It's not that if I've done it, you said it so clearly. I've done it. Intent does not matter whether you intended to do it or not. She's still hurt. She's still offended. Now I apologize. The greatest apology is change behavior. So you can apologize a thousand times, but if the behavior doesn't change, you're not sorry for what you've done.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

And most of the time, you're never sorry. Most of the time, you're only sorry because you got caught.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Me, at the end of the day, I just thought that it was like, and we're better off as friends. We're better off as friends. We cool. We have a better. I think the biggest problem that we had o joke. She was young. I was young. We're trying to figure this thing out, which is, you know. And it just wasn't to be. And as we. 20 years after the fact, she's like, I didn't realize what I had in you.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Come on, now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They never do.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Till it's too late.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You like Shannon? I've never met a man that works as hard as you and as disciplined as you are. But you're very prideful. You're not gonna let nobody push you around. You're not gonna let nobody talk reckless to you. No, because I don't talk reckless to you. I'm not gonna call you out of your name, because I got. I wouldn't want nobody to call my sister, my mom, or my grandma out their name. So I don't call women out their name. And now. And now I had daughters, and I definitely don't want nobody to call them out their name. So I'm very respectful. I'm very understanding of that. For me, if. And a lot of times I was. I had. I was messing with this young lady, and she would, like, start to argue. I was like, you know what? You're right. I'm gonna let you have that. You get upset. She's like, we're never gonna figure anything out. I said, I say in order. I would rather keep the peace, let you be right. It's not that big of a deal.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's not like that deal to me. I'm not. I'm not fitting to go back and forth and argue with you over. You're right.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

But it irked her because you wouldn't argue back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

She said that I want to get away. I said, well, if you want to understand me, just ask. I don't feel I need to get into an argument or disagree with you for the help. You understand me. I'm telling you, I don't want to talk about that. We see things differently, and just because we see things differently. I see things differently to you because of my age. You see things how you see them because of your age. That doesn't mean I'm right. That doesn't mean you're wrong. But we're going to see things differently. Because I was raised in a different.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Era.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I'm willing to accept you for who you are and the era you was raised in. I, you know, I want the same. But I think the thing is, Ocho, I went in because I was a skeptical at first. I was like, man, I'm down. But I was like, you know what? I'm gonna go. It's just like anything, Ocho. I can't do anything half ass. I'm spending. It's my money. So if I'm spending my money, I'm gonna get the most out of it. So went there and I slot and I came Every day. I mean, not every day, but every week. And I called that lady just like. And the thing is, she like, hey. And then, you know, during the pandemic, you know, you couldn't be in person. Hey, FaceTime. That was really. When I started FaceTiming, I like, Damn, I gotta call this lady on FaceTime.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You was really into her like that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Ocho, I don't know how to half ass anything. I don't.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And it's. And for me, it's. It's obsession. I get upset. That's. And that's why I'm like, when I, When I'm good at something I'm really good at, but I don't waste my time with stuff that I'm not. I go all in. Yes, I was, I was 1000%. I was taking notes. She's like, well, take notes. Oh, y'all taking notes? Hey, she say something. I, I sneak up, I write it down.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

That's. That's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's called me. She called me. She. Hey. She called me a black sob.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

That's. That's how I would be. That's how it would be, you know, very meticulous, very, very detailed, very deep and jotting everything down. And see, the one thing, the one thing I don't forget anything. I don't forget anything that said. I don't forget anything that, that I heard. I don't forget anything that I've saw. Ever. You're not hear me? Ever. I got the memory of an elephant. So as time goes on, which is why I was thinking about doing something like that, but then the price point you talk about, I'm not doing that. I'm not sitting down and giving you that kind of money just to hear you. For me to tell you my problems and you to regurgitate what you think the issues are with me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Honestly, Ocho, for me, if I care about somebody, there's not an amount of money enough that I wouldn't spend to try to make it work. Because that's what I'm in. I'm in. If I care, I care. We dating. You need something, I got you.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's how I am. Cause I've taken time out of. I've taken time out of my schedule to try to get to know you on a level, and I spent that kind of time. I only got a year. I only got two years. I ain't got three years. I'm not willing to just throw it away. That's just me. So you mean to tell me I was in Love with this person for three years, four years, and one incident make me throw it all away. I just. I mean, yeah, I'm sure there are probably things that she probably could have done that would, Would make me do that, but. Because I know I'm not perfect and I'm flawed and I put people in situations that I've asked for a second chance and they graciously gave that. That's what, that's what, Ocho. That's why I say I'll never ask more than I'm willing to give. That's why I don't go, hey, ain't no women. You ain't gonna find nobody in the last. I bet you you can't find one person last 30 years. Say Shannon Sharp called me at 2:00, 1:00 midnight and came over to my house. I don't ever ask more than I'm willing to give. I don't do that because I don't want you to call me. Don't call me at 1:00 in there. First of all, I ain't gonna answer the phone. Second of all, you don't got.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You don't no late night booty call like, hey, where you at? I'm leaving, I'm leaving the club.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm sleeping, I'm sleeping. Well, actually, I'm not sleeping. I'm thinking like Ashley, she done probably sent me a message and I'm thinking about, okay, what I gotta do with blah, blah, blah. I got sponsors, I got this. I gotta, you know, jump on a call. I gotta go to a Zoom meeting about this. I gotta, you know, talk to the.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Right one to have you up. The right one to get you up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ain't gonna have me up. You not finna call me that time of night. Ocho, Ocho. I don't sleep well anyway. I probably sleep about four or five hours. That's all I sleep. And then I get me an hour nap during the day. Nah, it ain't that serious. I. I don't. I mean, look, I love sex like the next man. I don't love it that much. Not to get up at no 1 o'clock, 2 o'clock in the morning. Oh, no, no, no. I mean, you call somebody at 1:00 in the morning, you up. Now when I was younger.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This 30 years now, you gotta realize I'm about to be 50. When I was younger, man, I was. And I was sleep. Look at that clock. 215. I said, oh, no. Oo. Oh, man. Oo I was. I ain't gonna lie. I was bad. Hey. I said, boy. Man. I go downstairs. Oo I open the door, somebody said, you've been talking about me. I say, what? She had on something real scantily huge. Scantily clad. I said, what? I said, come on in. You over here. Now. You don't got me up. Yeah, you about to get what you're looking for. I like that. That was in Ocho. I remember. Let me tell you true story, Ocho. This was in 1993. I'll never forget it. I had just moved into the Breakers. Ever since then, I said, nah, I'm good.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

That was it, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can't do it, Ocho. I can't do. Because you know what? In my mind, I'm thinking, something gonna happen. I'm going somewhere. I supposed to be home, be in the bed, sleep. I own a job. Something happens. Shannon had a blah, blah, blah. Shannon, you supposed to be in the bed. That's on my. My. I. I always think when I'm not supposed. When I'm supposed to be doing what I'm supposed to be doing. If I try to veer off from that, that's why I do the same thing over and over. I'm in my own head. I'm cool.

[Bobby Bones]

The volume. Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else you're going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything. Listen to Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jon Stewart]

Jon Stewart is back in the host chair at the Daily show, which means he's also back in our ears on the Daily Show Ears Edition pod. Join late night legend Jon Stewart and the best news team for today's biggest headlines, exclusive extended interviews and more. Now, this is a second term we can all get behind. Listen to the Daily Show Ears edition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Michael Lewis]

Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite Moneyball, the Blind side and Liars Poker. On the latest season of my podcast, against the Rules, I'm exploring what it means to be a sports fan in America and what the rise of sports betting is doing to our teams, our states and ourselves. Join me and listen to against the rules on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Open your free iHeart app and search against the Rules. Listen to against the rules on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

[Adnan Virk]

What's up, everybody? Adnan Burke here to tell you about a new podcast. It's NHL Unscripted with Virk and Demers.

[Jason Demers]

Jason immerse here, and after playing 700 NHL games, I got a lot of dirty laundry to air out.

[Adnan Virk]

I got a lot to say here, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay?

[Adnan Virk]

Each week we'll get together to chat with the sport that we love.

[Jason Demers]

Tons of guests are going to join in, too, but we're not just going to be talking hockey, folks. We're talking movies, we're talking TV, food, and Adnan's favorite wrestling. It's all on le tablet.

[Adnan Virk]

Listen to NHL Unscripted with Vir and Demers, the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.