Jamal Crawford (5:34)

I'm good. Thanks for having me. Okay, we gotta say we gotta handle.

Mark Jackson (5:39)

All right.

Shannon Sharpe (5:41)

The trade that happened last night, Luca, a superstar beyond superstar, a global superstar in his absolute. He's not even hit his prime yet, Jamal. He's 25 years of age. He's a five time first team all NBA player. And they trade him for Anthony Davis and a first round pick and I think 2029 and Max Christie. And in return, the Lakers get Luka, they get Max Cleaver and they get Marquis Morris, who was already. He was on the 2020 Laker team that won the championship. So Lakers receive Luka Maxi Cleber Mars. The Mavs get Anthony Davis, Max Christie and a 2029 first round pick. Also, the Jazz received Jalen hood Scarifino, a 2025 second round pick. A 2025 second round pick.

Mark Jackson (6:31)

Deal the Clippers.

Shannon Sharpe (6:33)

Jamal, when you heard this trade, I thought it was bull jive. I thought somebody had gotten hacked. Cause ain't no way the Mavs are trading Luka. But lo and behold, it is absolutely true. Luka Doncic is on the move. Anthony Davis is going to the Mavericks. What is your assessment of the trade? Why do you think this trade happened?

Jamal Crawford (6:51)

I'm with you. I thought it was. I thought it was bu guy. The first two I thought, ain't no way. Lupus being traded. Like you said, all his accolades, he ain't his. And if I'm a young NBA star, I'm not comfortable anywhere. If Lucas can be traded at this stage of his clearing, where he's at, where he was going, anybody can be traded back. I said last year on Shaq's podcast, I said, if I'm Olympic, I'm looking at Trey every day. And people thought I was crazy. I said, lebron is still your best player right now. You got to have better pieces to compliment. Yes, they wanted the bubble. Yes, the LeBron is still looking like he's LeBron. So with that being said, I got to get pieces. I didn't know Luke was on the table when they happened. Who knew? But they come la. I gotta take that beer. I have to. Because now you're coming for the now and the future. As LeBron says, you know what I'm. Wear it down, whatever that is. 1, 2, 3, 4. Either you have a bona fide superstar who has not reached his crime, who other people want to Play with Lucas backs off. So we know he's going to bring the Hollywood lights to go on the other side of Dallas. It's a perfect compliment to Kyrie. They obviously are going to make some more move. They didn't trust the fact they were have to give Luke almost $400 million. Whatever's going on behind the scene is really loud right now because now we're looking like, you know what, how can trade do like this or how to do stuff that we don't know about, you know?

Ocho Cinco (8:12)

You know, I. I also, I mean, I'm. I'm curious. I'm think I'm thinking ahead a little bit. I'm thinking ahead a little bit. Obviously it had to be something internally for them to trade such a great pair like that.

Mark Jackson (8:22)

Like.

Ocho Cinco (8:22)

Like both of you said is not even in his prime. So I'm. I'm looking forward to obviously the future because Kyrie can opt out in the summer. And what are the chances of kyrie actually joining LeBron again? I'm assuming LeBron comes back next year as well. And you have luka, Kyrie and LeBron.

Jamal Crawford (8:39)

So for me, I think obviously that could have been an option. But con Golly has some type of faith. Like, you know what, I could have easily been moved. Like you said, my contracts up next year, they chose to stick with me. And if you look at how Jason Pierce speaks about Kai, he's always speaking gloriously. He does everything you want. Depending with AD that give Kai another win. Kai's got to be in point guard. He's still mixed fun. He's still doing numbers. He still makes it look easy. You got A.D. you got a bunch of money, possibly with other moves be made if I'm kind like, you know what? They stuck with me. And also they didn't leave him or nobody else want me to give him multiple years on the contract as well. So you don't forget that type of st.

Mark Jackson (9:14)

Okay, yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (9:15)

I'm looking at it and I've said this. Everybody knows this is not right now. I called, I gave Luca the name Baby Bird because I thought he was that special. He was the closest white player I had ever seen. The Larry Bird everybody knew Larry Bird was my favorite, but I always questioned. I said he looked like he's out of shape. I said he looks like he's unconditioned. He looked like he doesn't take his training and his condition seriously, his training seriously. And he has some habits that, you know, if you look at Rick Carlisle, you got Luka. Guys don't normally say, nah, I'm good. And leave a superstar player that's only 22 years of age, Jamal. So there was something. There was some things that was going on that wasn't being talked about. But if you know the game and you see you like something ain't adding up, and then. Plus, Luka is scheduled. He was the first player that was going to be able to get the Supermax. Five years, 345 million. So basically $69 million a year, Jamal. If a guy's unconditioned, he doesn't take his training serious, he doesn't take conditioning serious, and there's some other things going around. If I give him 69 million, Jamal, and he might have some power that we need to wrestle away from him. And if you hear. Listen to Nico says, he says something about culture. When I hear that, Jamal, I don't know about you, but my ears perk up.

Jamal Crawford (10:39)

That culture means there's something behind the scenes that he's not happy with. And like, we all know the one question in all the sports in life, period, if you're in the entertainment, are you better than your problem? And Luca is better than this problem. So that's why I'm shocked this happened. Even with all that going on. He's 22. He can learn to mature. He can learn to see Kyrie, whoever the professionals are. JP Is one of the best point guards ever. So that's the shocking Joe running part of it is that he's about 28, 29, about to, you know, leave his spine or whatever. He's still not even in on the spine. And so I was with. And that's why this is such a shock. Guys like that, they don't get trained. Hey, you won't deal with this stuff until he figured it out. We just don't come back. Because he's that good. The fact he's 22. Already been to the finals, already playing the Olympics. 25. I'm sorry. The fact he's 25. Still 25. So that's great.

Shannon Sharpe (11:32)

But here's the thing. Jamal and I tell Ocho this all the time, and we talk about it. They'll tolerate you until they can replace you once they got a deal that says, you know what, we can win right now. I like Kyrie and AD in the pick and roll. AD has never really had a guy this dynamic in the pick and roll. Rondo. And you remember when Rondo in New Orleans, the numbers that AD Put up where Kyrie is a very similar point guard. Point guard. In the pick and roll. But for them to trade a 25 year old, that's five times first team, all NBA. It tells me everything I need to know. I don't need to hear nothing else. They can say this or they can say that, but you know, it had to be bad, Jamal. Cause everything that you said is absolutely true. Because you say, you know what, his production is better than his problems. But they say no, hell it ain't. His problems supersede his production.

Ocho Cinco (12:24)

I have a question, you know, both of you could probably answer it better than I can. Obviously I don't really understand how or the, the intricacy on why he's not eligible for the five year 345 super. He got traded just so simply because he got traded. It's in the contract letting you know once you get traded somewhere else, you're no longer eligible.

Shannon Sharpe (12:44)

You don't get a four year because he was, he was almost like a bird, almost a bird situation. That was the team that drafted him. He had been this many times the first team all the NBA player. So therefore Allah, Jason Tatum, Allah, jb. So guys that have been there for a particular. What is it, what is it? Like five, like five what? Five, six years, Jamal. And then you a first team all NBA. You have to be a first team. You have to be one of the all NBA selections last year too. Yes. So he's done that. So he was eligible five years, 345. So think about that. He would have been eligible to get another contract that was probably going to be north of 400 million at the age of 30.

Jamal Crawford (13:27)

I think you answered right there. I think that was an aha moment. I think that's for me. I think they were more skilled if they gave him that money and they knew they couldn't do nothing with him at that point. He runs the organization totally versus right now. Like you know what, let's cut losses. We see where this is going and I think that might be part of it.

Shannon Sharpe (13:44)

And they've. Because here's the thing, Jamal. They believe that a lot of these injuries, these knickknack injuries is because of his condition, is because of his training, is because of his diet, is because of a lot of things behind the scenes. We say this with Joel Embiid, we say this with Zion Williamson. Not to say injuries don't happen, but I believe the Mavericks believed a lot of these injuries are self induced. You're not taking care of your body. It's being reported. At one point he weighed 270265, whatever the case may be. But Jamal, you know this. You played this game damn near two. You played it two decades. When somebody moves a player like this, we've never seen it that'll be like they moving Magic Johnson in his prime. They're moving Larry Bird, Michael Jordan in their pride. 25 year olds don't get moved unless the behavior is so egregious they say, we just can't control it.

Ocho Cinco (14:44)

Your eyes and your ears are still. Even if you're not playing, your eyes and ears are still with the NBA. Do you know, have you heard anything what the issue might be where this. Where it came to a head where they just had to get rid of them?

Jamal Crawford (14:58)

I mean, let's just take a step back and think about when they went to the phone, right? Lucas has a celebration being like Holy Grail. I got so quick. So you can't speculate that there had to be stuff behind the scenes that was just like, you know what? He's not changing what we want him to be. And if we've been this contract, it may be worse at this point. So sometimes the best way to see a person is not look. Because if you look, they're gonna be on their best behavior. So sometimes you guys say, let me just see how we move with that. Let me see if we got a check now this with anybody, right? Let me see if they are diligent with the professional. Let me. You watch them just as much as you watch the tail with me. But going back to how this happened so fast, let's go back and think a little bit. Nico Harrison was Kobe's back with Nike. Robin was called J.J. so, you know, they had a friendship and relationship and all type of conversations they have. So that's why I'm like.

Shannon Sharpe (15:46)

And not get out and not get out. But here's the thing. This is what we know. Young athletes that hurt become old athletes to get hurt. And the worst thing you can have is an old guy that's got, you owe him 200 million, you owe 300 million. Because I just read a thing the other day where they said, Joel EMBIID has made 125 million for the games that he's missed. You want that on Luke, you want that? You want Luka's salary? 345 million. And here he is. And they believe that those injuries, a lot of those have been exacerbated by his condition. And you remember he was nursing a knee injury last year in the game, in the championship game. I mean, excuse me, in The NBA Finals. And leading up to the Finals, we like, well, how long can he go on that? Look, so now you hear culture, you hear, you see a guy that has no interest in playing any level of defense. Not at all.

Ocho Cinco (16:43)

Some got to give way. You know, everybody's going to have flaws. When you think about NBA players, hell, even NFL players, everybody has their strengths. His strengths and his identity is on the offensive side of the ball. So you know what you don't get from the defensive side of the end. But he's so great at what's done offensively. Hell, you gotta take that.

Jamal Crawford (17:03)

So how do you like this? You watch Lex as close as anybody. How do you like a fit? How do you like it?

Shannon Sharpe (17:08)

I just don't. But here's the thing. LeBron is at an age he can't play consistent defense. Luka doesn't play any defense. You traded your two best defenders, your wing defenders. Max Christie, own ball and AD your help defender, own ball, can defend one through five. He's tremendous in the pick and roll. He's great at weak side help. Look, you got guys that can score, but who can they stop? Look, I understand this is what the Lakers and I. And I've studied the Lakers and I know the Lakers, this is what the Lakers do. They got Wilt because they love superstars in Atlanta. You gotta have them. You cannot get them. You cannot survive as the Lakers without superstars. So they go get whipped, and then they follow that up with Kareem and they go get shot and they go get LeBron. And now they go get. And they go get Luka. You gotta have that if you're gonna be la, if you're gonna be the Lakers, you look at the Dodgers, that's what they do. You see Shohei, you see Mookie? That's what they do in order for you to survive out here. That's why they wouldn't trade it for Matthew Stafford. Ocho, you gotta have a star. You gotta have stars. Aaron, Donald, you gotta have stars to survive out here if you wanna win. Because there's too much going on in la. We got beaches, we got salmon, we got rooftops. You got so much going on. And if you don't win, they not coming to see you. But I'm telling you, I don't care. See, that's the notion that people make, Jamal. And you know this. A lot of times people say, well, as long as I'm doing my job, you shouldn't care about. No, no, no, no, no. It doesn't work like that because, see, your job is being a professional. That's your job. How you conduct yourself while you doing your job, that's called being a pro. And say, we don't like the pro. We love the professional. Because he's given us 29, 32, 34, 9 and 9. We know what he can do. But that pro eventually will catch up with us. His behavior and the way he does things that say, nah, we got to nip this in the bud. We got to break his plate at 25 because he's going to become un bro. We let him get two years into 60 and $70 million contract. Hey, that joker might come in. Hey, he might come into the game drinking a beer. He might come to the and smoking on hookah. Cause we know Luca love his hookah. Not Jamal, he love his hookah. And when you sit back and look at it, Rick Carlisle left, he refused the contract extension. He had Luka at 22, 23. What don't you know would walk away from LeBron, walk away from Magic Johnson, Larry Bird. That's what Luka the comparison is. I'm not saying he's not won a championship, he hadn't won an mvp, but that's what he is in today's terms. Ain't no coach walking away from that. Coaches might get fired, but coaches, because they know how hard it is to get one of those guys. Those guys, you don't. Those guys like Luka, they don't come out in the draft every year. A LeBron, a Magic, a Bird, they don't come. So if I get one, I will keep this joke as long as I can. As long as they'll have me, I'll stay.

Jamal Crawford (20:22)

Yeah. And that's why this is so shocking. Like we have never ever seen this. And it's so open ended and it was so shocking. All we can do is speculate. We don't wish nothing down nobody. But we got to figure it out, right? Like that's our job to figure it out and educate people or give them a little bit of insight of why this happened. Who knows if it's, you know, how they thought his body will be in five years. Like all that stuff plays a part. But what's going to happen is where he's going and where Anthony Davis is going and how the culture, quote unquote, changing. We don't see in the next year or two how things lined up and we'll have our answer in the future.

Shannon Sharpe (20:54)

I also think, I think now he just lost $117 million. Ocho basically, one year. It cost him 117. It cost him 117 million. Now, if that don't get your attention, it should have your undivided attention. Now, I don't know where y'all. Who makes $117 million a year? Maybe some CEOs, maybe Cristiano Ronaldo, maybe Mbappe, maybe some of them. But ain't a whole lot of players making 117 million in salary, Jamal.

Jamal Crawford (21:27)

Tax.

Shannon Sharpe (21:28)

Now, you got. Just think about. You could have been. You could have been in Texas. No state income tax. It's 13 and a half percent in California. I don't know if you notice anything. So 40 million, they gonna take 13 and a half percent. That's 10. So they gonna take 4 million, the north three. So they gonna take about 6 million from you right there. Ocho on 40.

Ocho Cinco (21:53)

Hey, listen, let's say he missed out on 117, right? Whatever you missed out on, let's say he gets his. Together. Himself together, gets on the right track. Is it a possibility he can re. Recoup that money on the back end in the next deal?

Shannon Sharpe (22:07)

It all depends. Hold on. He's a big enough superstar that he can have. He can have deals outside because he projects. That's one thing. He projects globally, right? So, yeah, he can make that money, but you can't make up what you miss. It's kind of like time because. Yeah, let's just say for the second market, Ocho, he signs this deal with The Lakers. So 117. Minus 143, 45. So he gets. Right. 228.

Jamal Crawford (22:35)

228. 228.

Shannon Sharpe (22:37)

Got money. But just say, hey, Jamal, you remember when Boogie. Boogie missed out on what, 200 million by getting traded to. By getting traded to the Pelicans. And then he gets injured. Never saw him payday again. See, that's the thing, Ocho. You see, we're under the assumption, and we hope, we knock on wood, that nothing happens. But when you continuously overweight, you put stress on your body. Your body ain't used to that. Your body ain't used to being. Trying to go up and down that corner on a nightly basis, Jamal, you know, at least two nights a week, sometimes three nights a week when you meant to be 220, all of a sudden you trying to play in 260. Something got to give, Ocho. Something got to give.

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Shannon Sharpe (26:38)

You got a Ferrari and you keep and logs on top of it and you see what happened to it.

Jamal Crawford (26:44)

That's like O talking. He gonna play me while he drinking Coke.

Mark Jackson (26:50)

Hold on.

Ocho Cinco (26:51)

You gotta understand, I would go. I was going 5 for 180 on McDonald's and cheeseburgers and fries and the Coke. So, you know, having to deal with you at my age with this skill set with never having any injuries, that's easy work.

Jamal Crawford (27:03)

Yeah. See, you was doing it at 25.

Ocho Cinco (27:07)

Listen, listen, listen. Age ain't number the number.

Mark Jackson (27:09)

They.

Ocho Cinco (27:09)

The man created that him.

Jamal Crawford (27:12)

I know, A.J. i know that.

Ocho Cinco (27:15)

Whenever you ready, I'm here. That's all they got to see.

Shannon Sharpe (27:19)

Let me. Let me. Let me ask you a question, Jamal. Who do you think won the trade?

Jamal Crawford (27:25)

I think Dallas on the immediate picture that as we get part of it, I think the Lakers want the future part. And the reason being is help either. And as you know, like we've seen sometimes when he's standing his fault and he's playing games over the last few years, but he's gonna have a different workload now. Like you said, he's gonna be involved in picking roles a lot with Kyrie, Lupia. That's a great transition from LeBron to N as a future superstar. Whenever LeBron decide he's had enough because you gotta have that in the way. So I think both sides won it. It was just so, so weird. The weirdness of it was everything. Because I just. Who would have guessed? Could you imagine doing the same trade or get between Joker? It was just as shocking. That's why I said, don't say something more. I think it's gonna be one. Not at that level. I think it's gonna be a shocking threat to happen over this next time period. I promise you. I think something's coming.

Shannon Sharpe (28:17)

And if you look at what Minnesota gave up to get Rudy Gobert.

Jamal Crawford (28:22)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (28:22)

Dallas didn't want but one first round pick. I say give me 27, give me 29. I want a pick. Swap in between and and give me what you gave me.

Jamal Crawford (28:32)

Yeah. Yes. That's how I gotta be because this dude is deep. Generation Luke is so good at fasting ball. Luke will figure out the game a long time ago when he's playing a ton me now he's playing against you. He's playing against your coach Kenny Jekyll got that quality LeBron as well. I got you on that. I'm gonna do coach. Okay. I'm exposing over there like he's one of those dudes the games I've always said he feels like you got headphones on. Like he listened to Sean Bay song he saw at peace with his Ben. That is crazy. But bad we don't see.

Shannon Sharpe (29:02)

I can't wait to see it three times. Six man of the year. The oldest man in NBA history to have a 50 point game. The only man in NBA history to have 50, at least 50 with four different franchises. The one, the only, Jamal Crawford. Good luck next year in calling games on NBC. Jamal, congratulations. Job well done. Hey, really appreciate you stopping by to drop offer some insight into this big trade.

Jamal Crawford (29:26)

Appreciate y'all, thank you. I give a shout out to my guy Murray. We rooting for Appreciate.

Shannon Sharpe (29:32)

Yeah, thank you.

Mark Jackson (29:33)

All right, baby.

Jamal Crawford (29:34)

Sorry.

Shannon Sharpe (29:37)

Now we're joined by a former NBA rookie of the year all star, former warriors head coach Mark Jackson. Mark, talk to us, bro. How you doing? Everybody's great, bro. We cannot, we cannot complain.

Jamal Crawford (29:53)

Huh?

Mark Jackson (29:54)

Huh?

Shannon Sharpe (29:56)

Hey, turn your camera on, Mark.

Mark Jackson (30:02)

Gotta pull a shadow.

Shannon Sharpe (30:03)

Sharp audio only.

Mark Jackson (30:04)

How do I do that? Let me see. There you go.

Shannon Sharpe (30:14)

There you go. Coach.

Mark Jackson (30:16)

What's up, man? You good?

Ocho Cinco (30:18)

What's up? What's up, baby?

Mark Jackson (30:20)

You good, man? Happy problem for y'all.

Shannon Sharpe (30:22)

Appreciate it. Mark. Mark, let's get into this trade, bro. It came out of nowhere. Normally trades like this, it had to be a special type of relationship because you had to sit on it. Because prior to it dropping, there was no win ad getting traded. Nothing about Luka getting traded. And then boom. You're trading a 25 year old, five time first team all NBA player that hasn't even reached his prime yet. For Anthony Davis, a first round pick. And Max Christie. Talk to us about the trade. You coached this game, you played this game. Talk to us. How does a deal like this happen?

Mark Jackson (30:58)

But we don't know the truth of everything. That's first and foremost. This is an incredible deal that was Pulled off by Dallas Mavericks in the Los Angeles Lakers. Primarily Nico Harrison, Rob Pelinka. It is in my time of playing basketball, following basketball, coaching basketball. It is the most shocking trade pulled off without anybody leaking it, without anybody knowing anything about it. And then everybody that got wind of it thought it was a fluke. We thought it was a fluke. I got phone, phone calls in a minute span saying this can't be real. Can you, can you confirm it? I'm like, I don't know, I can't confirm it or not. It's, it's shocking. Like you said, a 25 year old guy, five time first team, all NBA generational talent. One thing I would have done if I was Nico Harrison and Dallas Mavericks, I'm not minimizing it to Los Angeles Lakers and that one phone call. I am opening up the bidding for Luka Doncic, letting everybody know everybody's well aware of what he brings to the table. I got him assured. Now the best deal may be Anthony Davis and the deal they got from the Lakers. I doubt it. At least I would have made sure the Lakers sent both of them first round picks in. But, but at the end of the day you can't underestimate. He got a, he got a elite first ballot hall of Famer in Anthony Davis, whose only concern is staying healthy when he's on the floor. He's a dominant basketball player and I believe it helps both teams and the Lakers do continue to add by adding a big. Both teams have a legitimate chance of winning it all. The Lakers because they have two guys that can control a basketball game at all times on the offensive end. Dallas Mavericks because they have a legit big man that prefers from his own words to play the powerful position, now has two young, athletic, energetic bigs to protect him. And then you have a guy like Kyrie Irving who's a special, special generational talent in his own right that can do some similar things as Luka and can carry them on the offense net and create an offense for himself and his teammates. Heck of the one, my former lead assistant Pete Myers, who played for the Chicago Bulls. The brilliant basketball mindset. A Hall of Fame general manager once said to him, do not make a trade that can cost you your job. And that's what Nico Harrison did. But I give him credit because so many guys willing to just cruise along, I can win 20 games, 30 games. I could go to the lottery time and time. I could be bad, not got any excuse. He swung for the fence and the only gamble I think he gave up a home run talent. But Anthony Davis has got to stay healthy and they'll be good for, you know, the foreseeable future.

Ocho Cinco (33:37)

Hey, coach, listen. For someone who played the game for a long time, for someone who coached the game as well as a coach, and you think about it, I just want you to put your GM hat on for a quick minute. What can a player do to the magnitude and where it's that egregious till you trade somebody that young, that's that spectacular and brings that much to a team, especially from an officer standpoint. You gotta talk to me. Just give, just give me some, give me some type of better context or context on what could a player do behind the scenes that could warrant such a trade for someone.

Mark Jackson (34:14)

That's what makes it shocking to me. And I think that's a great question. And, and what I don't like is all of a sudden stuff come out that didn't come out all along. So let's be fair to him. But at the end of the day, the things we know about, he can be a better conditioned athlete, he can be better committed on the defensive end, he can have a better competitive fight and spirit defensively. Not every fifth possession, every tenth possession, I could show you 50 clips of Luka Doncic more than capable of defending and having game plan discipline on the defensive end of the floor. I can show you 200 clips where he lays down points the finger and blame somebody else. I would say to my ownership or my management that's interested in trading for trading Luka Dodge because of those reasons, I would tell him personally, that's on me. He's been in this league six years. I got to do a better job of bringing that out of him and holding it accountable, defending at a high level, competing at a high level, being a better leader. And that would be on me. What about. Go ahead, Ocho?

Ocho Cinco (35:14)

Well, hold on, hold on. I'm confused now. You think about what Luke is able to do from the offensive standpoint, right? And one of the gripes, one of the issues that he may have is his lack of ability to play defense. But if he is a little bit better on defense, coach, wouldn't that take away from his offensive position?

Mark Jackson (35:34)

That sounds like a receiver that didn't want to block when it wasn't his chance. Get it? Just he thought you're not going to. You on this play doesn't give you a license to chill. You still have the responsibility and my job as a coach is to hold you accountable to that because it's not about you. It's about us. And other guys are watching. If I allow you to do that, and because they're rolling one day, I allow them to do that. I'm not saying I'm holding you to the same standard. I'd like that in the ideal world, we all have kids and that's not how it works. But I'm going to hold you to a standard. But I will not accept in losing. I'm not going to. But I will not accept him winning. I'm not going to accept lose. I got to say to you.

Shannon Sharpe (36:13)

Have you heard that before? Have you heard that saying?

Ocho Cinco (36:18)

I heard it.

Mark Jackson (36:18)

I heard. Because guys are watching. I can't now yell at you because. No, I've been doing this for 2020. I've been doing this for five years now you got a problem with it?

Shannon Sharpe (36:27)

See, you never accept anything. Hey, you never accept anything in the win. You wasn't in a loss. But here's the thing, okay, Jack, you said it's your job to hold him accountable for a little bit more for the defensive end. Are you holding yourself accountable for his. His unconditioned, his training, his eating?

Mark Jackson (36:46)

Absolutely. Guess what? I gotta. I gotta go see him in the off season. I gotta take a flight and go spend some time with him. I gotta send one of my assistants on my player development coaches. Go spend some time with him. I gotta go. I gotta send a chef with him. I'm gonna put you in a position to be successful. I don't want you to just chase down being a five time old NBA team player or generational talent. I want you to have the jewelry. At the end of the day, I want you to be in that special room with those special guys that you deserve to be in. Don't just be in there with just all everybody else. He's good enough and great enough to be in a room with just a handful of guys. He's that special of a talent. And I'm cheating him if I fall short of holding him accountable and putting him in position. Take away those critics, Jack. Right?

Shannon Sharpe (37:31)

You can't. I tell my kids this. I can't want something from you more than you want it for yourself. And you got kids and you know they've got to want it for themselves as much as you want it for them. If Luca doesn't want what you want for him, it's not gonna work. It just won't. It just won't.

Mark Jackson (37:49)

That's true. But he is so special and so great. You can't convince me he don't want it. You just can't. He's so special and so great. You average a 40 point triple double in the playoffs. You are the best player in the Eastern Conference. I mean the Western Conference finals. You're the best player in the. He is a special, special talent. I'm not asking him and I'm going to tell him. I'm going to push the right button. I'm not asking you something that I believe you can't do. I'm not asking you to protect the rim and block shout. I'm not asking you to be a lockdown defender. I'm not asking you to be £200. Let's, let's meet somewhere in the middle where now it's acceptable. I'm not asking you. I just don't want you to point the finger to a guy wide open in the corner and you just stand there and you know that's your man and that's your responsibility. Everybody in the arena knows that's your fault. That should burn. That should upset you. I'm not saying it hasn't happened to me in 17 years of playing professional basketball. And in all these years of playing basketball, I got exposed at times on the defense, man, but I got upset about it and I reacted to it and responded to it and held myself accountable.

Ocho Cinco (38:54)

Listen, one more question, one more question. I'm thinking about the mental part of it, right? The mental part. As far as Luke is concerned, how is he going to react? How is he going to. Is the trade. This is a wake up call. Is he going to fold? Now two things can happen. Most of the time you think you're a player, you're sitting on top of the world. You feel like you're invincible, you're making good money, you're one of the best players in the NBA and all of a sudden you get, oh, oh, yeah, you've been traded to the Los Angeles Lakers. Now what, Luke, are we gonna get from this point going forward? Are we getting the pissed off Luka or we getting a Luca that's gonna fold under the pressure.

Mark Jackson (39:29)

We don't know that, Luka, that you're talking about folding under pressure. All he's done in six years is be great, be a generational talent. He's been special.

Ocho Cinco (39:38)

What, what just happened?

Mark Jackson (39:39)

He got late.

Ocho Cinco (39:41)

Exactly. Now getting traded can do something to your mental. Now especially it can do something to your mental. I'm talking about the different kind of pressure. Pressure playing and being comfortable in Dallas. Knowing you, that guy is definitely, I.

Mark Jackson (39:51)

Agree with you with Certain dudes because I don't care where you put Tom Brady. He's Tom Brady in New England. He's Tom Brady in Tampa Bay. Luka Doncic, we're not going to cheat his talent and his level of greatness. He's a special talent. I believe that it'll elevate him conditionally wise and to fight defensively because he's got a guy in the locker room that's a hero of him that he looks up to. Now, LeBron James certainly has his flaws at times, but one thing he does is take care of him body. And he's an all time great. He's a special talent that if you just hang around, you've got testimonies from teammates, coaches, he's going to make you better. And Luka Doncic will be a better conditioned athlete and a better defender, competitively speaking, because of it, because of being around LeBron James. That's one thing LeBron James will bring to the table without a doubt.

Shannon Sharpe (40:42)

But you know what, Jack? I had a guy to tell me one time, he said they'll tolerate you until they can replace you profession. Luka is a professional basketball player. It seems to me Nico Collins, Nico Harrison had a problem with him being a pro, which was how he conducted himself in being a professional basketball player. You don't. It had to get to a point. Martin, you know this having played. Mark, you played what, 17 years? Yeah, you played 17 years. You coached in this league. In order for you to trade a generational talent, because we've never seen it happen before at 25, the behavior behind the scenes, it had to be egregious. There's no other way around it, Jack. There's no other way.

Mark Jackson (41:30)

You're right. That 25 year old generational talent, we've never seen him before unless he asked to be trained. That's a different ball game. This guy didn't ask to be trained. He said he spent his life as a Dallas Maverick. So there is clearly something that made them pull the trigger and make the trade and pick up the phone and call Los Angeles. I don't know what it is that'll come out. At some point it's going to come out. But if it don't come out the.

Shannon Sharpe (41:54)

Watch, it'll come out in the rinse.

Mark Jackson (41:55)

Yeah, he's too great of a player that you just decide to pick up the phone. No, I can handle the. Think about it. When it's lack of defensive intensity for 48 minutes and it's lack of conditioning overall, the dude was Still a five time first team all NBA player in six years.

Shannon Sharpe (42:13)

Yep.

Mark Jackson (42:14)

So I'm going to live with some of that and try to make them better. I'm not just going to pick up the phone on a random day and call the Los Angeles Lakers. So it's something that pushed the button to make them make this call.

Shannon Sharpe (42:27)

But Jack, my antenna raised when Rick Carlisle wouldn't sign the contract extension. You know how hard it is to get a generational player. They don't fall on trees. And a lot of coaches never get an opportunity to coach a generational talent. Rick Carlisle didn't accept the contract extension and he had a 22, 23 year old Luka. That should have raised the antenna. But Rick really raised my antenna when I heard Nico Harrison say culture. When you hear that, Jack, I know your antenna raised too. Because we see this with Zion. We believe his conditioning plays a role in his injuries. We see that with Joel Embiid. We believe his conditioning plays a role in his injuries. They believe. I believe it is my estimation, and I'm just looking at this from a distance, I believe the Mavericks believe that Luka's condition, or lack thereof, his training, his eating habits play a role in those injuries. And I got to give you $70 million this summer for next summer, for five years. Oh, no, Jack, I can't do that.

Mark Jackson (43:31)

Oh, I could do it.

Shannon Sharpe (43:32)

Oh, no.

Mark Jackson (43:33)

Oh, I can do it. And you would do it too. The guy, the top five player in the world, no question about his ability. The thing I got a problem with is we compare them. Joel Embiid and Zion Williamson, two guys that have a tough time standing on the floor. That's not Lucas issue. He plays her. He plays hobble 100%. Doesn't take care of his body. The best condition physically. He doesn't come in shape and can't. But he plays. He loves to play. Those other two guys have missed a substantial amount of gain. I think culture is the conditioning. It's how we act on the bus. It's how we act on the plane. It's how we act in the locker room. We don't know that story. I'll give you an example. Jimmy Butler report come out. Jimmy Butler had the plane waiting for an hour while everybody wait for him. Are you kidding me? That's not on Jimmy Butler. That's on me. I'm not waiting an hour for nobody.

Ocho Cinco (44:30)

That's what happened.

Mark Jackson (44:34)

The plane is taking off. We're leaving. Jimmy Butler wait for Jimmy Butler and you're setting yourself up for disaster. You're setting yourself up for a culture that allows that. No, we're going to set the tone right away. We're leaving this guy and if he shows up to the game, he shows up the game. We'll handle it then.

Shannon Sharpe (44:53)

What kind of president are you sitting with, Luca? When you know he's out of shape, when you know he's not conditioning properly, when you know he's not training properly.

Mark Jackson (45:01)

The dude is averaging 30 and 9. He's the best player on the floor every night. So you got to find other, other ways to push the button to get him to respond, right? You gotta, you gotta pull him in the office by yourself and talk to him. You gotta pull him in office with Kyrie Irving. You gotta pull them in office with the gm. You gotta pull them in office with ownership. Bring in some form of greats, bring in Dirk Navisty. Whatever trick you gotta do to push the button. No, whatever.

Shannon Sharpe (45:27)

Every day.

Mark Jackson (45:27)

Whatever the trick is you got to do to push the button. Your job, My job is to find that button and push it. Because he is great and he's an all time great. But I want to put him in that special room that he deserves to be in. I'm not like this. This guy had to talk up to be great when he walked into this league. He was great. You don't have to hype him up and talk him up. He's great from day one. So now let's get you into that special room and it's something that you deserve. And you're cheating yourself. Forget about me. You're cheating yourself if you don't put yourself in the best possible position to get there.

Shannon Sharpe (45:59)

Does he want to be in that room? You want him in that room? Does he want to be in there? Because if he wanted to be in there, Jack, all the grace that you mentioned, that's in the handful of guys did any coach had to hold their hand? Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, Bird, Magic, Kareem. Give me some more. Elijah, Wand. The guy. The handful of guys that's in that room, did they have to be hand spoon fed?

Mark Jackson (46:23)

I don't.

Ocho Cinco (46:24)

Hey, do you think, hey, Jack, you think the culture and where he comes from is a little bit different as opposed to all the guys that un just named and their approach to the game of basketball? Maybe that might be the issue.

Mark Jackson (46:35)

Might have something to do with. But the dude was a pro at 13 years old. He's been a pro since he's been 13 years old. He's a special talent. And I agree with you with those guys that you name, but there's some guys, I don't have them off the top of my head, but some guys had to be pushed along. Some guys didn't love basketball and they're in that special role. Tim Duncan didn't touch a basketball until he got into high school, I believe his junior year. He was a swim dude. He was an elite swimmer you can.

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Mark Jackson (50:20)

It's great enough to get in that room and I believe he's going to get there and I believe putting on purple and gold and having a new challenge in his life is going to get him there. But he also has to have coaches, management, ownership, leadership in that, in that locker room that holds McCattle and has the same voice as the people that's trying to pour into his life. Instead of high five and hugging him and giving him that when he won a ball game. Let's talk about you won the game, but how about the defensive stop that you gave up on it almost cost us the game so we can have that conversation too. Got to surround himself with people that are not yes men but hold them accountable and push button and inspire him to want it as bad as we want it.

Shannon Sharpe (50:57)

Short, long term. Who do you believe won the trade? Short, long term? I love, I love AD to the Mavs. Kyrie in the pick and roll. Great help defender can defend one through five. Tremendous in the pick and roll. Can help with weak side defense. The Lakers got a little lax on defense. LeBron can't sit in the chair anymore at 40. Luca, we talked about that. Doesn't really want to play Austin Reeves. People attack him because they can. The Lakers got substantially weaker on the defensive end.

Mark Jackson (51:24)

They set themselves up for the next 10 years, though, you can't take that away from them. I think both teams are in position to win a championship. If you're the Lakers, your next move is your best move. They got to find a big to clean up some of the mess and protect the weakness that they have on the defensive side of the floor. Protect the rim, play the pick and roll, hold the fort down a little bit as dribble penetration affects you. And I like what the Dallas. I think both teams have helped themselves because I can't understand how great Anthony Davis is. And clearly I already raved enough about Luke the dodge. It's going to be interesting to see how this thing all plays out. I think the Lakers cannot be judged on just winning a championship or not winning a championship. This year they got a generational talent which is hard to find that puts them in position for after LeBron James leaves.

Shannon Sharpe (52:16)

But let me ask you a question. Let's just say now I'm hoping, hey, you know, I root for the Lakers. I'm hoping Luka, like, man, I just caused myself $117 million. Everybody believes I can be special. I am special. Let me do what it takes in order to be in that room that Mark Jackson keeps talking around. There's only a handful of guys in there. There are only a handful of guys that deserve to be mentioned of being in there. I mean, some guys can peep in the room, but there's some guys that's sitting at the table in the room. Let me get on my conditioning. Let me hire me a chef. Look, I'm not saying whatever. Hey, I'm not saying Michael Jordan smoked more cigars than anybody and still go down there and bust and bust them up. Mark, some guys drink, some guys can do that. But the one thing you know about MJ, he came in in shape. LeBron loves his wine and AKA gets a cigar. But you know, he don't cheat the process. And the one thing about those guys that are in that room, they didn't cheat the process. You right, Tim Duncan didn't play basketball until high school, but Pac, he was coachable. Pac got on him to coach everybody else. Tim Duncan, when he stepped on that floor, you know what you're going to get. But you also knew he was a pro Octacore. He was going to come in in shape, he was going to be conditioned and he's going to be ready to go. And he didn't have no ticky tacky injuries.

Mark Jackson (53:42)

It points the finger directly to the player. They got to want it and I believe that he's going to be in that room because his talent tells me that he's going to be in that room. I believe he wants it. I believe this situation will enhance his desire to prove people wrong. And I believe that if you are a general manager, ownership or a coach or a superstar player playing alongside him, you also have a responsibility to hold him accountable and to deliver the message to him when he's falling short from that. And I believe he's got to be able to be man enough to empower those people to do exactly that. Because at the end of the day, I know they want what's best for me. They want what's best for me and it's going to be what's best for this team and ultimately I'm going to be in that room. What he doesn't want to do is what you talk about, put his head peeking in that room and then he get bushed out of there. No, he deserves to be in that room constantly because his talent tells us.

Shannon Sharpe (54:34)

Let's talk about the other trade that happened today. De'Aaron Fox going to the San Antonio Spurs. Zach LaVine going to the Sacramento Kings. It seems now, it seems now guys will sign that first extension, get that guaranteed money, and then after that they're on the hunt. You see default. He's on his way to San Antonio. He wants to play with Wimby. Nice squad. There you see Zach Levine. Zach has been reports that Zach Levine has wanted to get out of Chicago for an extended period of time. He's reunited with DeMar DeRozan in Sacramento. You have to like Sacramento with Malik Monk, DeMar DeRozan, Zach Lavigne, DeMontes Sabonis, they got a nice squad. Keegan Murray, they got a nice squad.

Mark Jackson (55:16)

What I like about Sacramento is Aaron Fox obviously displayed his willingness to be traded. He let his feelings be known and they made a trade. But they didn't surrender the season. They went and got a guy that can help them immediately and a 25 point score on Zach Levine. That's proven. That's combo playing alongside of Demar derosa. So they have permitted play. Great versatility, great youth, incredible fan base. Then you have Sabonas, Keegan Murray. They have talent that still should put them in the mix. Playoff time in the Western Conference and still an exciting future moving forward. Whether Zach Levine opts in or opts out at the end of the year, De'Aaron Fox goes to a situation where he's playing with a generational talent in Wimby and fits his Skill set where he can be creative on the perimeter, play and pick and roll with him. At times, be aggressive as a scorer. At times, be aggressive as a facilitator. It's an ideal situation. One thing you touched on that I still try to figure out as I spend time by myself today, these dudes are turning down $300 million. Like, give me. Give me. Give me my money. Give me my money, and we'll figure everything else off. 300 million. I don't care how much you made. This is real money.

Shannon Sharpe (56:31)

Yes.

Mark Jackson (56:31)

Get your money and then find the right situation. Don't leave it on the. Don't leave money on the table. I played with a guy that gave back $500,000 in order to be a free agent at the end of the year. Never recoup. And that was. That was back in. In 1989, 1990. Never got back that $500,000. You can't make it back. We talking about now two. $300 million. Are you kidding me? Get your paper, young fella. And I don't want to underestimate this, because fortunately, I don't know a lot about this. And, Shannon, you don't know enough a lot about this, but my guy Chad, O2 signal, knows enough about it. That's. Losing it can be frustrating at times. At times, I watch.

Shannon Sharpe (57:15)

That's what I talk about, Jack.

Mark Jackson (57:17)

I watched it, and I've seen the frustration. I've seen it running routes and playing for. You know, it was tough at times, and I was thrilled and happy. When you got a chance to win and be in the right situation, you deserve it. So it can be frustrating and wanting to exit at times, but. But get your money. One thing about my guy, Oto, he gets it. He got his money, and he keeps his money. I'm watching you.

Shannon Sharpe (57:43)

Let me ask you this. We see these things about Zion, and Zion has had. And they even worded his contract that he has to be a certain weight. He has to have his body percentage down. And we've never seen it. Look, he reminds you of a more explosive Charles Barkley. And Barkley, like, he had Malone, he had those other guys. And he said, Moses Malone, rest his soul, say, Charles, you fat and you lazy. You got two things. You young, you fat, and you lazy. You got two things working against you. And Barkley says. You know what he said? Get 10. He got 10 pounds off in, like two weeks. And then he got another 10 pounds off in a month. And before you know it, Charles was. Turned himself into an mvp. One of the Better power forwards to ever play the game. We see this with Joel Embiid. When you get a guy Embiid's size and people don't realize this, the bigger you are, the bigger that frame is, the more weight it can hold. Jack, you seven foot two, oh, you could easily be 400, maybe even five. And when you get hurt during the season now, you can't condition. And so guess what, you're still eating, but you're not practicing, you're not playing. And so guess what, you might be 295, 300. Next thing you know, you're 310, you're 320, you 330, you 340, you 350. Now you go back out there, you 350 and you try to run up and down that court and you jump up, your knees go out, your feet, your ankles, your hips. What do you say to that? Jack?

Mark Jackson (59:08)

Part of it. I blame organizations that allow them to be this way coming in. So I'm trying to be your friend and your boy and all lovey dovey when you come in instead of saying, okay, these are the problems that we foresee is what we have to do to put you in a position to succeed from day one. I don't care what your bone structure is, what your body fats, I know what it should be. They co signed a lot of that stuff initially with Zion Williamson saying he was heavy bone and, you know, and he can only get down to a certain amount of weight. No, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's an incredible young man. He's an incredible talent and, and you look at his body now, it's different than when he came in. So he certainly has a desire to get better. I think the biggest thing for him, you compare them to Charles Barkley and the bodies were similar, but Charles Barkley from day one had a jumper. He was shooting threes back in 87, 88, 89. So he was a skilled overweight performer on the basketball floor who had rings. Zion Williamson, if you're playing against him, you can dare him to shoot the jumper. Now can he hit it? Yeah, once in a while. And I'm saying it strictly because he's a great player, but he has a flaw that can be exposed on the defensive side of the floor if you're going against him, especially in a playoff series. So he's got to spend time to enhance and perfect that side of the floor and his range, because he puts his head down, he gets anywhere he wants. So now if you add a decent jumper to that, he's a nightmare for anybody who could defend. We're talking about elite players that have opportunity to make their imprint on this game. And you should hurt them when they don't because they're not in the best shape they could possibly be in.

Shannon Sharpe (60:44)

I still never understand. Rudy Gobert got traded for four first round picks. Luka Doncic got traded for Anthony Davis in one first round pick. I don't know who did. Hey, Nico Collins must know something we don't. But Nico Harris. Excuse me. Rob Palinka says thank you.

Mark Jackson (61:05)

Just imagine if you were sitting at home and got a call. You're interested in Luca? Heck yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (61:10)

Hell yeah.

Mark Jackson (61:12)

So you don't even have to work. You can win executive of the year just because you picked up the phone, right?

Shannon Sharpe (61:17)

Hey.

Mark Jackson (61:17)

What.

Shannon Sharpe (61:18)

What statue. What statue out front you want for Luca? I'll tell you. Whatever you need. Hey, Jack. Whatever you need. What you need.

Mark Jackson (61:27)

We talking about. We talking about a guy that's after. Yeah, after LeBron. He's going to still be playing. I don't care. I don't care how much time you get. LeBron. Luka Doncic will still be your franchise player when LeBron exits the building.

Shannon Sharpe (61:40)

And that's what you need if you're a Laker. If you're a Lakers, you got to have franchise players. They started with Will, with Kareem Shaq LeBron, and now they got Luka. So they just continue this string, this. This string of getting elite, multi talented, great players to keep this thing for the Lakers going. Jack, we got to get you out here on that one. Thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate your ins. Appreciate your insight, appreciate. And talking about this trade and the other trades. Darren Fox going to the Spurs, Zach LaVine going to Sacramento Kings. We'll see you down the road. I appreciate you, bro.

Mark Jackson (62:10)

Thanks for having me. Legend.

Shannon Sharpe (62:15)

Ocho. Luka Doncic made his debut for the Lakers, has not played since he injured that calf muscle on Christmas Day. The Lakers Defeat the Jazz 132, 113. Luka was warming up. Excuse me. LeBron was warming up with Luka's T shirt. They placed a 77t shirt on all the chairs within the stadium. And the pregame, Lebron told Luka, luka, be your effing self. Don't fit in. Fit the F out. The Lakers have won six straight, 12 out of 14 overall. LeBron James had 24 points, eight assists, seven rebounds. Austin Reaves 22 points, nine rebounds, four sips assist Rui Hachimura 21.6 rebounds. Luca limited action, 14 points, five rebounds, four assists and Godwin the two way player at 17 points. The Lakers the last game before the All Star break is Wednesday against this very Utah Jazz team they defeated tonight up in Utah before the All Star break. Let's continue right quick. Ojo According to Sean, the Hornets exploring disputed the Lakers failed physical on Williams. The Charlotte Hornets have been in contact with the NBA as they explore options to dispute the Lakers failed physical assessment on Mark Williams. Sources tell ESPN Williams Dalton connect trade was next Saturday and now the Hornets weigh avenues to challenge. We'll talk about that a little later. Ojo I like what I saw. I don't know if you like what you saw with Luka. Now look, it's only one game. That's a very, very small sample size. I like what they got. Obviously Luka's gonna start kind of staggering because you want one of those guys to be on the court pretty much at all times. But even if you don't have him on the court, you still have a primary ball handle in Austin reaves. So obviously LeBron can handle the ball, Luka can handle the ball. But when both of those guys are off the court, if they are off the court, you still have Austin Reaves, who could handle the ball, who's playing extremely well. And so I like what I saw and it's going to be a lot of staggering. So when Luka goes off the court, LeBron is on, LeBron's off the court, Luka's on. Or if both of those guys are off the court, off the court. As I said, Austin Reaves is on, but I like the way they move the ball. And if you know Luka, Luka can get hot and give you 20, 25 points on the corner, but he doesn't have to worry about facilitating because a lot of times when Luka was on the court before he got Kyrie, if Luka went on the hot streak, he still had to worry about getting other people involved. He don't have to worry about that. He has LeBron, he has Austin Reeves, but I like what I saw. And Hayes Jackson. Hayes is the happiest guy because all he's going to do is get lob dunks. Now he ain't got to work, but that's all he did anyway. But he's going to average probably about 14 points a game, getting six to seven lob dunks a game. So I like what I saw early on, although it's a Very, very small sample size.

Ocho Cinco (65:12)

Now, listen, even though it's a small sample size, you can tell that the future is going to be very bright for the Lakers. Now, I know people don't want to. You don't want to get too happy they are playing the Utah Jazz, but obviously you understand how dynamic, you know, Braun and Luka are playing together. Even though the sample size is small, especially with the IQ that Luka has, especially with the IQ that LeBron. LeBron has as well. The spacing, obviously, with Luke and Brown on the court was awesome. You could tell that Reeds is going to be able to eat as long as. As well as everybody else. So I'm, listen, I'm excited for the Lakers. I don't think. I still don't think it's enough to be able to compete and contend for. For a title. I still think they need another piece. I could be wrong.

Mark Jackson (65:54)

You can tell.

Ocho Cinco (65:55)

You could tell me. You would know better than I can. I still think there would be. You would need another piece to add to them, to that puzzle, to be able to challenge out there in the West.

Shannon Sharpe (66:04)

They need a big. The only big they have is Jackson Hayes, and I don't think that's enough. You only want to play Jackson Hayes somewhere between, you know, 14, 20 minutes a night. He's not a guy that you're going to run out there and play 25, 30 minutes, 35 minutes a night. That's not what he is. That's not. He's not been that player in his NBA career. So you probably need another big. That's why they tried to change for the Williams kid. But as I was reading earlier, Ocho, he failed a physical. Go ahead.

Ocho Cinco (66:30)

And now I have a question. When it comes to failing physical, is it due to past injuries or does he actually have an injury right now to where he couldn't pass it?

Shannon Sharpe (66:40)

Well, you know what happens. Oh, so you know what happens when they bring you in there? They tear you out. They start pulling on your joints and your shoulders and your knees and twist your ankle.

Jamal Crawford (66:50)

Oh, right.

Shannon Sharpe (66:51)

Are you okay? They give you mri, they give you, you know, all that other stuff. But here's a guy that's been, you know, he kind of has an injury history.

Mark Jackson (67:00)

Okay?

Shannon Sharpe (67:01)

So I don't know what, why y'all so anxious to get up or if he's so good, y'all should welcome him back.

Ocho Cinco (67:08)

Right? Right.

Shannon Sharpe (67:09)

But clearly, clearly there's more to it than what's going on. It's like, hey, we thought we had another shooter. We know What Dalton was, he had. He's kind of cooled off a lot. Early on, he was. He was really letting it fly. Had some big games shooting the three ball for the Lakers. Can put the ball on the floor, can finish at the rim. I know the Lakers really like him, but sometimes you have to give up something to get something. And they realize they needed a big. Luka likes playing with very athletic bigs because he can get into the paint. He can dish a lot of lob dunks. Go look at Lively, go look at Daniel Gafford. Look at the guys that he's played with. Guys get a lot of easy baskets because, hey, he's going to get into the paint because he can change speeds. He's really herky jerky. But right now, I think that's the thing they're missing. They're getting better at shooting the ball from outside. Gabe Vincent is getting better at shooting the three ball. He's finally getting his legs back. Last year was a wash year for him, and he's finally starting to shoot like the Gabe Vincent that we saw his last year in Miami when he really let the ball fly, helped that team get to the NBA Finals, but end up losing to the Nuggets. Austin Reeves has been on a tear lately. He's been unbelievable. He's just getting better and better and better every year. Would I be surprised eventually if he's not an All Star? I can see it happening now. It's going to be hard because he has Luca and he has LeBron on his team. But here's the thing, Ojo, he's going to be getting the third best defender. You got to give one of your best defenders, especially with the wing. He's got to guard Luka, he's got to guard LeBron. So now it's kind of like that third receiver. If you got two dogs outside that third receiver, like, man, hey, y'all, give me the third or fourth corner. Oh, I'm definitely going to eat now. He's going to eat. Rui is another guy that's going to get big because both LeBron, because they're big guards, can see over the defense so they can penetrate, skip, pass, hammer, pass, over the top. It really doesn't matter to them. And we know they both can score. Luka has the highest, the third highest scoring average in NBA history at almost 29 points a game, behind Jordan, behind Wilt. When it comes to the playoffs, he has the second highest scoring average behind only Michael Jordan. So that just lets you know what a proficient guy he is at scoring the basketball. And so you look at a guy that's averaging basically 29, 8 and 8, which is crazy. And he won't be 26 until the 28th of this month. So the Lakers have someone to When LeBron defiled decides if and when that's going to be. Because this is going to take a lot of pressure off LeBron Ocho because he's not going to have the workload of having to bring the ball up the court. He's not going to have the workload of trying to have to facilitate for everybody else. Luka is going to take a lot of pressure off LeBron. I can see LeBron now play another two to three years. Right?

Ocho Cinco (70:03)

You know what you're saying that when you talk about, you know, Luka taking some of the pressure off LeBron obviously Luka, some of the pressure is taken off him as well. Even he is efficient as he is. He has a squad around him that where he doesn't have to do all the work. He has hella athletes, a lot of players around him with length and I think he's going to be going to be a great addition. I think they just need a big. They need a big. And if they can get it big now I'm not sure how many, how many viable options out there that can come in and you can plug and play and make a difference right now.

Shannon Sharpe (70:38)

No, they're not a whole. Well, you can't trade for anybody. So anybody's going to be basically street free agents or maybe somebody get cut and you able to bring them in like that. But I know they were looking at.

Ocho Cinco (70:48)

But if they getting cut, there's not much they can do for you.

Shannon Sharpe (70:52)

But, but no that. But Luka and LeBron can bring it out of them because everybody ain't got A Luka and LeBron. But you know, they were looking at Valanchunas. They looked at Walker Kessler who's on the Utah Jazz. But seemingly the Jazz wanted more than what the the Lakers were willing to part ways with. The only guys are out there available. I think a JaVale McGee, I think of Alex Lynn, a Dwight Howard. Don't know what.

Ocho Cinco (71:18)

How old is Dwight?

Shannon Sharpe (71:21)

Probably a year younger than LeBron cause he was, he was in the draft class.

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Shannon Sharpe (74:51)

Okay, so I'm thinking he came straight out of high school also, so he should probably be a year younger. A year younger than LeBron. LeBron. But you're only asking. Can you can. And Dwight keeps himself in great shape. Yeah. The question is, can he? I believe he can give you 20 minutes a night. He and Jackson Hayes alternating, You know, there are going to be. Sometimes they go with a small lineup.

Jamal Crawford (75:13)

Right.

Shannon Sharpe (75:14)

But the question is, can those guys, between the two of them, can they give you 20, 24 minutes a night? I believe they can, but they definitely need another big. Jackson Hayden is not nearly enough. Like I said, you don't want to play him a ton of minutes. He's an energy guy, he's going to block some shots, he'll challenge some stuff at the rim, but he's a good role player. And the thing is, you don't have to run plays for him because you don't need, you got enough scoring, you don't need other guys that you have to run plays for. You got luka, you got LeBron, you got Austin Reeves that can score, you got Rui, you got four guys that can score. Now you need Biggs. I ain't got to run no plays for you. Get it off the rim, put backs, lobs. Can you rebound? Can you challenge stuff at the rim? Because when you give up Anthony Davis, you give up one of the premier defensive players. One of the premier defensive players, but he's one of the best two way players also. That's in the game.

Jamal Crawford (76:05)

Right.

Shannon Sharpe (76:06)

But you gave that up because he was your last line of defense. He did a lot of covering up. Anthony Davis is like makeup all the. That's your fault. The blemishes that you have, he could cover it up. And so that's what, that's what you need. That's what you need. So can Jackson Hayes block the shots? Yeah, we know Dwight, we know Javale McGee can challenge shots. We don't know how much tread they got. But look, you don't need. You're not going to get a yokich so who I so stop looking. Right. So you just have to basically hope that one of these guys that they're able to secure can give you valuable minutes because Luka and LeBron is going to give you plenty.

Ocho Cinco (76:44)

Now when now obviously you don't know. I don't know how basketball works to the extent that you do during this break, during this All Star break. Isn't that the time you want to already have a big coming in at that point so you can hit the ground running when you come out of the All Star break and having a big, you know, to go to go at everybody else?

Mark Jackson (77:03)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (77:03)

I mean the question is, is that Rob is. Is probably scouring they're looking at but like I said, there's not a whole lot out there. It's not like you got a cream.

Mark Jackson (77:11)

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Ocho Cinco (77:13)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (77:14)

So you only got a handful of guys out there. JaVale McGee has familiarity with the Lakers. Dwight Howard has familiarity with the Lakers. I don't believe anybody else is going to be get cut or get on. Excuse me, I say cut a buyout. I don't really see any buyouts happening. I think Alex Lynn is available. He's another big. Like I said, you're not going to get somebody that's a double double machine. Most of the guys going to have older. Javale McGee's a little older. Dwight Howell a little older. Javale probably can give you, I would say somewhere 15, 16 minutes a night. Dwight maybe a little more 16 to 18 minutes a night, but maybe that's all you need.

Ocho Cinco (77:56)

Hey, does it matter that they don't give you much on the offensive end of the ball?

Shannon Sharpe (77:59)

No. You got if you don't if LeBron James, that averages 25. Luka, that's averaging 28. Austin Reaves that's averaging 20. Irua that's averaging 16. If that's not enough with Dadao okay. And considering I can hope your bench, Dave Vincent can continue to get better and better. I like this God, this Goodwin kid that I saw Goodwin Godwin, the kid that I saw tonight that came up the bench. He's a scorer. You can tell when he gets the ball in his hands. He's looking to get to the basket, he's looking to put the ball in the basket. So I like what I saw with him. I don't want to get too carried away. Like I said, Utah wasn't playing any defense tonight, but if you look at him, I followed him last couple of games. He can put the ball in the basket, and he can put the ball in the basket at an elite clip. Vando is not going to give you much on the offensive end, but he's a defensive guy. Finney Smith, he's streaky, he can get hot. He can hit you about three or four threes in a game, but you're looking for him to defend at an elite level on the defensive end. So Vando, Finney Smith, those are your defensive guys. Jackson Hayes is a guy that can challenge at the rim. Gabe Vincent, he's another defensive guy. So look, when you got Austin Reeves, guys gonna go at Austin Reeves, they're gonna attack him. Guys are gonna attack Luca. They know LeBron cannot exert that kind of defensive energy on a nightmare. Yeah, yeah. So somebody gonna have to defend somebody, but you're gonna have to defend those guys also, because you got three guys that can put the ball in the basket at an elite level. Like I said, I love the way Austin Reeds have gotten better, better, better, better. We know what LeBron is, we know what Luke is. The question is, can they add another piece which I believe will be a big. That can give them enough offense, which you don't need much. Can you give us eight points again? But what we need is defense. Can you rebound? Can you defend? Can you challenge? Can you clog the paint? And I believe if they get that, I think they'll be okay. But this. Like I said, they tried to rescind this trade. I'm not. I'm not sure. Look, the guy has. It had. He's had some injuries and I mean, he's a big guy. Ojo, he give you 16 points. I think he's almost a double double. But he's injured, and most times, I mean, every once in a while, if they really want a guy. I remember, I think it was last year, maybe a year and a half ago, the warriors, they traded for Gary Payton ii. He was injured, he failed a physical, but they really liked him because they had had him before, helped him with.

Jamal Crawford (80:29)

Right.

Shannon Sharpe (80:29)

And so they knew if they were getting. And say, you know what? We'll go ahead. Don't even worry about it. Yes, he. We'll work with him, we'll let him take. Because here's the thing with y'all. I'm not trading for a guy that's gonna he injured and I gotta wait. No, bro, I need. I need. I need you to get. I need you to go. And I think that's what happened with Anthony Davis, because Anthony was A.D. was hurt and he was like, okay. And he came maybe came back a little bit too soon. And so now he tweaked that abductor and now he's gonna be out some extended time. And I just saw they lost Daniel Gaffer tonight. So two of the three bigs, they lost a governor now. Hey, go ahead.

Ocho Cinco (81:07)

You know, it's funny when I think about. Do you think Anthony Davis injury history played a part in them letting him go and. Not really. Not really. I don't want to say not caring, but understanding that they could get Luka and had no problem letting Anthony Davis go simply because of his injury.

Shannon Sharpe (81:23)

If Anthony Davis was 100% healthy and played all the games like AC Green, you're not passing up an opportunity to get Luka Doncic, 25 years of age, averaging 29 points a game, eight rebounds, nine assists. You're not giving that up. There's never been a trade like this before. Ocho. There's never been a trade like this. Not it.

Ocho Cinco (81:45)

First of all, is there a trade comparable. Is there a football trade comparable to the Anthony Luka Dante trade? Or is nothing even close?

Shannon Sharpe (81:52)

No. Because what happens if you go back and look at the trade? If you say, what about Kareem? Kareem wanted to be out. He wanted to leave and come to la. Actually, Kareem really wanted to go to New York, but he ended up going to the Lakers. With that being said, right? Luka is 25 and he didn't ask to be traded. Anthony Davis asked to be traded. Guys have asked in their prime to be traded. Luka is 25. Five time, first team, all NBA, led the league in scoring, Rookie of the year. They didn't ask and they moved it. There's not a whole lot. I don't. If you really think about it, there's not a whole lot of guys that you're probably not going to move him for. You're not going to move him for Yoke. You're not going to move him for Shay. I don't know if they'll move him for Jayson Tatum because they like that mesh. But other than that, if Nico Collins would have took that to the warriors and say, give us KD or Steph Curry. Steph is not going anywhere, okay? Steph is not going anywhere. No, Steph is not going there. Joe Lockham is not. Joe Linkum is not going doing that. That deal. But we talked about it. What the owner said is like, okay, we finna pull some Ms. Powell back. Y'all got too much. Y'all been where y'all want to go and who y'all want and yelling and doing all the screaming that, that, hey, that's a shockwave because you heard all the players talking like, hey, lets us know everybody is touchable.

Ocho Cinco (83:32)

You know, it lets us know everybody is touchable. But we still don't know exactly what happened. We still don't know exactly what happened. Where you're getting off. A player that's been putting up the numbers, he'd been putting up as consistently as he has despite. Despite the injury and not playing since, you know, December, something else is going on behind. Behind closed doors, huh? Especially for a player that's eligible for a Supermax, you know, five year through 45, whatever.

Shannon Sharpe (83:55)

Whatever.

Ocho Cinco (83:55)

Whatever the numbers may have been. If you're that good, if you're that good, how do you let someone go like that? What is going on behind closed doors, where you let them go, knowing that you're not going to be able to replace that type of productivity, Right? You're not going to. I mean. I mean, you can get some form, but it just is not the same.

Shannon Sharpe (84:17)

Luka Doncic, this one was in line to get five years, 345, $350 million. That's $70 million a year. Normally, if somebody's getting that kind of money, you don't want to have any questions. I don't want no injury history. I don't want a guy that I have to motivate to do what he needs to do. One second. That's a lot of money, Ocho. And so what a lot of the players are thinking, well, to keep somebody from getting that supermax contract, if I trade him now, I save, somebody else has to deal with that. But still, even if you save, that means they still can't get to supermax once you get traded. Because now that original team doesn't have the Bird rights. I have a question.

Ocho Cinco (85:02)

If you think about a player that's that good, a player that's that dynamic. Now, we're not. I'm not even speaking. Lucas, you know, in this sense, a player that's that great, right? With every great player, aren't there some type of issues internally?

Shannon Sharpe (85:19)

No, I don't think about.

Ocho Cinco (85:21)

Wait, Think about some of the stories. Think about some of the stories. As great as Kobe was, as great as Michael Jordan was, do you think everything was always perfect?

Shannon Sharpe (85:32)

Well, there was no injury because I.

Ocho Cinco (85:35)

Think that what was going on and the issues they had with Luka, it had Nothing to do with what he does on the board.

Shannon Sharpe (85:42)

Right. I think the thing was, is that the one thing, no matter what you thought, they were too driven, they were too motivated, they came in shape and basketball was the end all be all.

Ocho Cinco (85:53)

Right?

Shannon Sharpe (85:54)

And so if you're investing that kind of money, you need basketball to be the end all be all. Now, like I said, maybe. And plus, Ocho, I need to wrestle some of this power back because Luka is so powerful in that organization. If I give him this money, he's damn near the owner.

Ocho Cinco (86:15)

You think it made it worse?

Shannon Sharpe (86:17)

And so that seems to me.

Ocho Cinco (86:21)

Excuse me, Excuse me. I hate to cut you off. Do you see the kind of money NBA players make?

Shannon Sharpe (86:25)

Yeah, for sure.

Ocho Cinco (86:27)

Even if he didn't get the supermax, he's still making fuck you money. Yeah, my bad, my bad, my bad. God, dog, it.

Shannon Sharpe (86:33)

My bad.

Ocho Cinco (86:34)

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. He's making F you money?

Shannon Sharpe (86:36)

Yes.

Ocho Cinco (86:37)

You know, all the players, you know, in the NBA are making F you money. So now NBA owners trying to find a way to, you know, we're going to pull and take some of this power back. Well, it's too late now. It's too late. Based on the kind of money they're making. Everything is guaranteed. Yes, everything is guaranteed. Because there's really nothing they can do.

Shannon Sharpe (86:57)

But here's the thing, though, Ojo, the player's gonna be on their best behavior. Cause 350 now you go down to 229.

Ocho Cinco (87:08)

Don't do me like that.

Shannon Sharpe (87:09)

I just said that's what.

Ocho Cinco (87:11)

220, 229. What is there that I can't do with 229 that I can do with 350? I can do just about the same thing.

Shannon Sharpe (87:19)

That's the same thing that you said with the NFL players. What can I do with 75 million that I can do with 50? That's a bit. Think about it. And you leave Texas with no state income tax. You go to California where there's a 13% tax rate. Right. Luca is a global star.

Ocho Cinco (87:41)

Yes, sir.

Shannon Sharpe (87:42)

And you gave him up and put him in the biggest market for the next decade. This is the Lakers. This is what they always do. This is what they've always done. Go back and look at the Lakers history. It started out when they got Wilt, and then they got Kareem, they got Bob McAdoo, they got Shaq, they got LeBron, they got Anthony Davis, and now they got Luka. This is what they do, right? So people shouldn't be Surprised? The only thing that I think the only thing the NBA owners are upset about, bro, you ain't open it up. Do you know what Luka would have.

Ocho Cinco (88:22)

Commanded if everyone had a chance to.

Shannon Sharpe (88:25)

Get Peter go for four first round picks?

Jamal Crawford (88:30)

4.

Shannon Sharpe (88:32)

Do you know what Luka Dodge is? A 25 year old global international superstar would have been fucked.

Ocho Cinco (88:38)

So that mean Nico Collins and Rob Plinker had some where they were in cahoots behind, behind, behind closed doors, obviously not letting anybody know what they were going to do simply because it's the Lakers. Where else would you want to go but the Lakers? They have to make a splash. They have to have a superstar.

Shannon Sharpe (88:53)

But the Lakers ain't had the best. I bet you, I guarantee you if they had to open this thing up, Lakers wouldn't have come close to the best package.

Ocho Cinco (88:59)

Oh, absolutely not.

Shannon Sharpe (89:00)

But Rob Lincoln was Kobe's agent. Nico Collins was at Nike, worked with Kobe, worked with Joel, worked with LeBron. You see now hopefully people understand it's all about relationships. I keep telling y'all, oh, it ain't about this, it's about that. No, it's not. Rob and Nico had a relationship.

Ocho Cinco (89:26)

I like that. It's this. I like this. And see, you know what's funny? You know what I do like, I like also is we need to be a little bit more and I'm asking for this. I'm asking for this. We need a little bit be a little bit more active on the basketball end because now that football season's over, guess where I'm going to be at.

Shannon Sharpe (89:43)

Watching the game courtside.

Ocho Cinco (89:46)

Oh, I'm not watching the game. Home. Well, I'm going to use some of this Nightcap money, boy. I'm going to sit courtside.

Jamal Crawford (89:51)

What are you talking about?

Shannon Sharpe (89:55)

I'm saving my money. Where you going? I'm saving.

Ocho Cinco (90:01)

Oh, now you want to save. I'm appreciating you about saving all the cash.

Shannon Sharpe (90:06)

I ain't got no big change. I ain't got no big 84. I wasn't iced out on Nightcap Live. I ain't got that. I ain't have five briefings.

Ocho Cinco (90:15)

Wait a minute, hold on, hold on. I had to prepare myself for live shows. We have a tour coming up. So that's my stuff specifically for the tour. Now I put that away and that's not coming out again until April when it's time to go on said tour. Now listen, you have to understand now Pat Riley and I have a relationship. Mickey Harrison and I have a relationship. I have a relationship with Band by the Bayos. I'm going to sit courtside next to the Lakers. Next to the Lakers, next to the Heat bench. That's only $1,500. That's just no disrespect to anybody in the chat. I'm not saying it's a drop. A drop in the bucket for $1,500, I could. That's feasible for me for the rest of the season after All Star break. Oh, well, I can get a better end of the game watching it up close, being able to talk it. So I can sound like you. So I can sound like Stephen A. I can sound like Malika Andrews, you know, so I can sound like Perkins.

Shannon Sharpe (91:06)

Yeah.

Mark Jackson (91:06)

Huh.

Shannon Sharpe (91:07)

All right.

Ocho Cinco (91:09)

Give me three weeks. Watch how I sound out here.

Shannon Sharpe (91:13)

But yeah, I mean, I like what the Lakers have done. I like LeBron. But like I said, I can see LeBron playing two or three years for the simple fact, the workload that he won't. The question is, is mine, like you said, because he's LeBron James and he's been great since he stepped foot in the NBA. And if there's any point in time that he can't be great, he'll walk away just like Tom Brady. Tom realized. Tom Brady, great. See, people like when Tom. Look at Tom's numbers. But Tom, when you are a great player, you only get compared to a younger self. You don't get compared to the other players. Aaron Rodgers, when you look at Aaron Rodgers numbers, they weren't that bad. But you compare Aaron to the young Aaron when He was throwing 45 touchdowns with four picks, he was 38 touchdowns with three picks. He was this and that. That MVP. When you're great, it's hard for you to be anything other than great, right? And now all of a sudden, people look at it like, damn, I'm a reg.

Jamal Crawford (92:19)

It's hard.

Shannon Sharpe (92:21)

It's hard. It's just like when some people having a large sum of money and all of a sudden they don't have that.

Mark Jackson (92:26)

No more o joke.

Shannon Sharpe (92:27)

They don't know how to behave. Like, I had all this money. I had millions, hundreds of millions, billions. And now I just got you a billionaire, and all of a sudden all you got is $200 million. 200 million me. And you are 200 million. Like, sign me up. Well, that's. When you've had billions, that's a whole different ballgame, the volume.

Ocho Cinco (92:57)

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Shannon Sharpe (93:32)

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Katherine Legge (95:03)

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Capital One (95:29)

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