Nightcap Hour 1: Jaxon Smith-Njigba the NEXT GREAT + What’s WRONG with CJ Stroud?! + Baker STRUGGLES in Detroit with Mike Evans INJURY + FRUSTRATION in MIAMI with Tua as STARTER + Racist Vikings fan DISRESPECTING Isaiah Rodgers

Summary

Club Shay Shay – “Nightcap Hour 1: Jaxon Smith-Njigba the NEXT GREAT + What’s WRONG with CJ Stroud?! + Baker STRUGGLES in Detroit with Mike Evans INJURY + FRUSTRATION in MIAMI with Tua as STARTER + Racist Vikings fan DISRESPECTING Isaiah Rodgers”

Date: October 21, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe
Co-Host: Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)
Production: iHeartPodcasts and Shay Shay Media

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Episode Overview

On this action-packed episode of Club Shay Shay’s Nightcap, Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down NFL Week 7’s biggest storylines. The duo dives into Jaxon Smith-Njigba’s breakout performance, growing concerns with Houston Texans’ CJ Stroud, struggles in Tampa Bay following Baker Mayfield’s poor showing and Mike Evans’ injury, the Miami Dolphins’ quarterback controversy with Tua Tagovailoa, and the disturbing presence of racism aimed at Vikings DB Isaiah Rodgers.

The conversation is classic Shay Shay: insightful, unfiltered, and filled with authentic football wisdom, colorful banter, and real talk about the challenges and triumphs facing today’s NFL stars.

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1. Seahawks vs. Texans: Jaxon Smith-Njigba Arrives, Concerns for CJ Stroud

[03:05–14:36]

• Game Recap: Seattle Seahawks defeat the Houston Texans 27–19, moving to 5–2.

• JSN’s Emergence:

  • Shannon raves about Jaxon Smith-Njigba (JSN), calling him “the best route... He got the release game. He quick as a cat on the hot on a marble table. Great hands, man. He's special.” (07:37)
  • Ochocinco praises Seattle for identifying JSN’s talent early, making it easy to part ways with DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett: “You understand now ... how good he is. When the team was willing to let DK Metcalf go ... they understood what they had.” (08:28)
  • Both marvel over his quickness and polish, with Chad sharing personal experience from a wide receiver workshop: “He is everything he's advertised to be, especially when you see it up close.” (13:09)
  • Shannon predicts a lucrative future, suggesting JSN could soon command $30–40M/year given his trajectory (13:53).

• Texans’ Offensive Troubles:

  • CJ Stroud’s stat line: 23/49, 229 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, sacked 3 times, pressured all night (16:24).
  • Both express confusion at Houston’s regression since Stroud’s stellar rookie year.
    • Chad: “It looks like they don't belong or they ... haven't prepared ... always a hole ... no way, C.J. Stroud has no time to throw the ball.” (18:02)
    • Shannon suspects both Stroud and the O-line deserve blame, pointing to leadership and preparation issues (18:59).
  • Discussion of Houston’s questionable personnel moves, like letting Laremy Tunsil go, leading to protection woes for Stroud (24:40).

Notable Quote:
“He’s the best route ... he can do it all ... he quick as a cat on the hot on a marble table. Great hands, man. He’s special.”
—Shannon Sharpe on JSN (07:37)

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2. NFC West Landscape: Rams, Seahawks, 49ers

[10:45–14:47]

• Division Standings: All three (Seattle, Rams, Niners) tied at 5–2.
• Rams' offense, led by Stafford, gets the edge from Shannon: “I think the Rams is the best team in that division... their offense.” (10:45)
• Chad: “Seattle does have a triple crown winner,” but both agree he’s not the same force as before (11:44).
• Vibrant debate about top receivers, offensive productivity, and talent comparison throughout the division.

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3. Lions vs. Bucs: Gibbs’ Breakout, Baker’s Struggles, Mike Evans Injury

[34:04–43:30]

• Detroit’s Big Win: Lions rout the Bucs 24–9, both teams now 5–2.

• Jahmyr Gibbs Comparison: “Closest thing we have to Chris Johnson right now ... at the running back position.” —Ochocinco (34:42)

• Game Observations:

  • Both agree neither Goff nor Baker played well, but Baker’s accuracy and missed throws stand out as worse: “Baker had the worst of the two nights ... high on a lot of throws ... didn't run the ball particularly well.” —Shannon (35:03)
  • Discussion of Detroit’s creative offense and DC Aaron Glenn’s impressive adjustments amid injuries.
  • Both love the aggression on fourth down, with Chad noting, "They put a lot of pressure on you... so creative." (38:37–39:24)

• Mike Evans Injury: Shannon breaks the news, “Mike Evans suffered a broken clavicle ... will miss the remainder of the 2025 season.” (43:05)

  • Both reflect on the pain and impact of such an injury, tying it to career milestones and Jerry Rice records.

Notable Quotes:
“Jahmyr Gibbs is probably the closest thing we have to Chris Johnson right now in the NFL ... he doesn’t get talked about enough.”
—Chad Johnson (34:42)
“Mike Evans suffered a broken clavicle. He’s going to miss the remainder of the 2025 season...I know it’s painful.”
—Shannon Sharpe (43:05)

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4. Miami Dolphins Quarterback Chaos: Tua’s Future

[49:33–56:41]

• Coach McDaniel’s Decision: Tua to remain starter despite turnovers. Ochocinco jokes: “My expectation is that we don’t throw 10 picks.” (49:56)
• Quarterback Dilemma:
  • Shannon and Chad agree benching Tua, so recently paid, is unrealistic—even as faith in him crumbles.
  • Shannon: “You ain’t benching no $40 million quarterback. Not making—not with that kind of price tag.” (50:19)
  • Projecting into the future, both believe Tua’s leadership and ability to regain the locker room are in doubt, comparing the situation to previous high-profile QB exits (Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers).
  • Ochocinco laments Miami’s long QB struggles: “We haven't found a quarterback that we can say, you know what? We don’t have to worry about this position now. We can build around... We always seem to find ourselves starting over from scratch.” (56:41)
  • Discussion hints at a coming front office overhaul if plans don’t work: “Stephen Ross probably is probably gonna clean house. Greer is probably gonna lose his job.” —Shannon (57:07)

Notable Quotes:
“You ain’t benching no $40 million quarterback. Not making... Not with that kind of price tag.”
—Shannon Sharpe (50:19)
"We haven't found a quarterback that we can say ... we don't have to worry about this position now. We can build around..."
—Chad Johnson (56:41)

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5. Racism in NFL Fandom: Isaiah Rodgers Targeted

[59:21–66:41]

• Fan Abuse: Isaiah Rodgers, after a rough outing against the Eagles, is battered with racist DMs—Shannon reads some live (“You’re worse than Hitler. Should have never been picked up. Worthless piece of crap. N-word...”).
• Both hosts confront the reality and persistence of racism in sports, stressing it’s aimed at what players do, not who they are.
• Chad: “They're not a fan of you. They're a fan of the team that you happen to play for.” (61:25)
• Shannon adds, “Once you realize, Ocho, they applaud what you do, not who you are, you’re fine.” (61:08)
• Minnesota Vikings release a strong anti-racism statement (65:09).
• Chad and Shannon reflect on their own experiences with social media and fan interaction, noting most in-person fans are respectful, while online abuse is rampant and often anonymous (63:44, 66:47).

Notable Quote:
“They applause what you do, not who you are ... they're not a fan of you. They're a fan of the team that you happen to play for.”
—Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson (61:04–61:25)

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• Shannon on JSN’s star power:
  “That joker there, man, he is so quick, Ojo damn. In and out of the brakes. And he's so very smooth.” (13:53)

• Ochocinco on fans’ loyalty:
  “You understand the climate we in? … When you’re not playing well, they’ll tell you truly how they feel about you.” (60:53)

• On Tua’s leadership challenge:
  “His play hasn’t been leaderish … when your words and what you say in the media, it don’t match up, something's off.” — Ochocinco (55:26)

• On NFL’s cyclical nature:
  “A fresh start sometimes ... is what's needed. Sometimes ... the relationship, sometimes it's just best we go our separate ways.” —Shannon (55:55)

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Section Timestamps

• Seahawks/Texans, JSN Hype: 03:05–16:17
• NFC West Comparisons: 10:45–14:47
• CJ Stroud’s Struggles, Texans O-Line: 16:24–29:54
• Lions-Bucs Recap, Gibbs, Evans Injury: 34:04–43:30
• Dolphins QB Controversy, Tua: 49:33–57:07
• Racism/Isaiah Rodgers: 59:21–66:41
• Fan Interaction/Social Media: 66:41–69:48

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Tone & Takeaways

The hosts keep it candid, blending sharp football analysis with hard truths about NFL life and society. They celebrate ascendant stars, hold nothing back on struggling franchises, and talk real about the humanity of athletes in the face of abuse. Whether you want Xs and Os, cap talk, or just plain authentic conversation, this Nightcap has it all.

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For fans, analysts, and anyone seeking both insight and soul in sports talk.

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They'Re very disruptive.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, so all the Rams, Niners and Seahawks are all 5 and 2. Obviously the Cardinals are not 5 and 2. Jackson, Smith and Jigba. Hey, look, we can say. All I know is this. You can rank him where you want to, but I don't believe he's going to be there very much longer. He is the best route. Hey, he can do it. All that rel. He got the release game. He quick as a cat on the hot on a marble table. Get great hands, man. He's special. He's special. And they got a lot of guys that come out of Ohio State. They got Olave and they got Garrett Boss and they got Michael. They got a. A Marvin Harrison Jr. And they got. They got JMO. But that kid there, he's nice.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He's nice. Every. He's everything that is advertised. Everything. And he. I mean, listen, he's always been. You understand now you understand how good he is. But when the team was willing to let DK Metcalf go and let Ty Locket go because they understood what they had on their hands. They understood what they had on their hands. He's very good, Very good. Very, very sharp, very polished receiver.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cooper cup threw one pick out. Sam Darnold had one pick. Cooper cup threw the pick that overthrew the. The db, overthrew the receiver and. And got it picked. But Sam Darnold still was awful, even with the one pick and the strip sack in the end zone.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And you. You know what? You, you know, honestly, Sam Donovan have a game like this, huh? Because it. It took for him to get to week seven to have this type of game where it looked nasty and they needed the defense to Satan, because the defense, it looked like the Houston Texans, especially in the f. The first half. It look like they didn't even belong in the goddamn game. They couldn't get anything going offensively. They couldn't find any rhythm. C.J. stroud was. Was flushed out the pocket. He was flushed up. Up in the pocket. He had some drops as well. So, I mean, it did. It. It didn't help them. It was 24. It was. No, that was. That. That was Nico. Nico Collins. I have one question now. What. What happened with. With Joe Mixon?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He hurt? They see he dealing with an injury from still from last year.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Supposed to come back after week four, if I'm not mistaken.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, I think that's one of. One of the reasons why they ended up signing the job because of that. But see, this is what's concerning because we saw this last year with Sam Donald, remember late in the season when they started playing when they got had to play Detroit and they had to play teams with defenses and we see what happened. That can certainly. Look, their defense is going to keep them in every game. Absolutely. Their defense is going to keep them in every game because they're that good. Now when they get Witherspoon back. But that D line, that front seven. Hey, Leonard Williams, Ernest Jones, the fourth.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, they the real deal. How close, how close do you think they are? Well, no, all right, that's, that's kind of.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think the Rams is the best team in that division.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay. Me personally, because of their offense.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But if, if their defense is good too. Now, don't sleep on the defense.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Are they as good as. Are they as good as the Seahawks?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But let me ask you a question. Is the Seahawks offense as good as the Rams? Because remember now they did what they did to Jacksonville without Puka.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They can run it with Kyron Williams. I think the Rams running game is a little better than the Seahawks. Let's just say for the sake of argument, I think they're passing game. I definitely know the quarterback is better. Matthew Stafford is better than Sam Darnold. Now you going to go wide receiver. You say Puka, devonte, Adams, Higby. Are they as good as Seattle? Re right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yes. Yeah. Abs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I, I'll get, I'll give them. I'll give them the nod. They can rush the passer with those two guys on the edge. They're good. They're really good.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You got to forget now we. The Seattle does have a triple crown winner that was just on that Ram team not too long ago.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Oh, he ain't the same Mojo. You know that. You watch it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Wait, wait, wait a minute. Wait a minute.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Even if he's not the same, there's certain players, they're. They're 100, they're 100. Or them being at 80 is sometimes better than other players that are at 100. Of course, he's not now when you're looking.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not when you're looking at the Rams. So let me ask you a question. Is he better than Devonte?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Absolutely not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is he better than Puka? No. So what do we do? So if he's their number, he's, if he's their number two receiver. Puka's number one. He's number two. Now, if you want to say Jack JSN and Puka right there, neck and neck because Puka's made the Pro Bowl. Puka 100 catch guy. Back to back seasons, if I'm not mistaken. So we know what Puka is. JSN is special. He really. I mean, this is really my first time just getting an opportunity to sit down and just watch him. Ain't no other games on. Because Ocho, you know, I'm trying to watch Seattle and I'm trying to watch this team and I'm trying to watch that team, but I'm talking about. He had my undivided attention, and I'm watching his releases and I'm watching him get in and out of breaks. Oh, he quicker the cat on the Hot 10 rule.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You know, he. You know, he was down. He came down here to wide receiver workshop. So I was. I was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Oh, did he?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, I was. I was able to see it up close.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And obviously he got feet on him, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He got some good feet on him. He got some real good feet on him. It's one thing. It's one thing you think is. You hear about players and you think, oh, he come from Ohio State, so they just hype up those individuals, but he is everything he's advertised to be, especially when you get to see it up close in person. And then you see it happen tonight. Obviously not just tonight, but obviously the. The throughout the entirety of the season. So it gives you a better understanding. Oh, now I get it. Now I see what all the hype is for. Now I see why it was so easy for them to let DK Metcalf go, let Tyler lock and go, because they understood what they had on their hands. They got something special.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, he. He. He the real. He the real deal, Ocho. He.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He is the. He is the real deal. And you know, hey, after next season, they're gonna have to come see him. He gonna probably be. He gonna a. He gonna look to get that high 30. He's gonna be in the high 30s, 40 million. I don't know how. Because here's the thing. That contract, by the time he get his contract, that contract to be almost three years old. You can't keep saying, well, no, no, no, no, no. We keep dropping that. We keep driving that price up. We. We not finna just. Hey, we're not just finna get slotted. Oh, Chase the. Oh, no, Chase was the best. He got that money three years ago. Now it's time for us to pole vault, even if we not. But man, that joker there, man, he is so quick. Ojo damn. In and out of the brakes. And he's so very smooth.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He's more. He's more quick than fast. He's not. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So he's so goddamn quick, and he's able to manipulate DBs. But you ain't see that. You ain't see that. That.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I saw that release. He faked him inside, and he got outside on it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

The dino route on. On Stingley.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But. But the thing. But the thing is, Voco, perfect. A perfect throw, a beat perfect coverage. You can't throw. You can't play it anymore. Better than that. Because I got to honor. I got to honor that for the simple fact oo is that he could possibly run the 7 route on me. So I just can't sell out to the post. Ain't nobody in the hole. But if you look at when Sam Darnold threw that ball, he hadn't even broke yet. That ball was out of his head already gone. Now the only thing I will say. Stingley gave up a 7 route with a safety in the hole. Bro, run to his hip. If you run. If you run. If you run the post, the safety should knock you out. I need to be doing this to the ambulance to come get you, but you not finna run no 7 route and cover one on me. Cause guess what? I ain't going for the post move because I got a safety in the hole. I'm gonna run to your hip because that's where I'm vulnerable. And guess what? Get them every time. Because you know what, man? I'm gonna get. I'm gonna undercut this seven route. I'm in the undercut. You see, they get so caught up, man. I'm a D up, Ocho. They get out, Ocho, you give them that head. Oh, I'm gonna get this. I'm gonna get this, bro. You got help there. You weak over here.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No. No need to cheat.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you get them every time.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No need to cheat it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, man, I don't know what's it look. CJ is 23 or 49. 229. One touch, one touchdown, one interception. He was sacked three times. He was pressured, relentlessly. Dodged the bullet. He got strip sacked. The guy fumbled the ball. That should have been. That should have been. That was a fumble but ended up turning into a.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Should have been a touchdown.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It could have, should have. It absolutely should have been a touchdown. The offensive line, I don't know what they doing. I don't. I Mean you look at them and sometimes you got two guys blocking one guy and another guy running scot free, bro. Pass that ish off. And don't turn your body, just put a hand there so you can see it's coming. Because once you do this, it's a wrap to try to turn back that guy gonna be on your shoulder so fast, man, you ain't got no chance. Guys just don't. I don't, I don't get it. Ojo. And they spend all week long and I'm sure the offensive line coach say keep your body square. Make sure you are between the defender and your quarterback. Keep your body. And they turn their shoulders every time and then. And they know they slow with them high ass boots on to come to your calf. No. Damn. Well, you ain't got no fast twitch at all. But they, they, I don't know Ocho, I, I just, I mean I'm looking at the Houston Texans and they 17 carries, 56 yards. Dalton Schultz with the leading receiver tonight. He had nine catches for 98 yards. Noah had four for 77, Nico Collins had four for 27.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I, I, I don't, I don't understand.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What, what has happened, what is happening?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Listen, I would get ready to ask you. I, I've watched, I've watched him, I watched him since, since his rookie year and for some reason the Houston Texans look completely different. They look completely different their rookie year. Oh my goodness, they phenomenal. We're praising CJ Stroud for coming in and changing the franchise. You know, in one year and in turn and turning them around. And now we, we, we, we, we three years in and I really can't understand what the problem is or where things have gone wrong. I, I, I, I, I honestly don't know. It looks at, at times, times watching the Texans, it looks like they don't belong or they, or they, they haven't prepared or the officer line. C.J. shroud is running for his life. I mean I, it just, you have guys running scot free. I don't, I don't know. There's always something, there's always a hole. There's always something going wrong with them offensively where it's like there's no way, there's, C.J. shroud has no time to throw the ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, they, they, they, they gonna have to do something about that man, because, and it's a combination. It's never all the quarterback's fault, it's never all the offensive line fault. I mean I think there's enough blame for everybody to go around. Go around. But I'm not nearly as sold on CJ Right now as I was after his rookie season. Cause you know how you and I, we talked about it, like, oh, man, the real deal. Well, he. This. The. This. Hey, this. The Bees need this to catch me out. And it's been a combination between the offensive line and him, you know, missing throws. I thought. I think a lot of times he spent after that rookie season spending time telling people how great he was and how great he's going to be. And, bro, I don't know if you noticed, but them guys don't care. Oh, you. Oh, you. Oh, you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you, You. You patch him home now. Oh, you mentioned your.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, listen, he can get it done. He is special. He's another one coming out of Ohio State. He is everything that is advertised. But unless you have everyone else raising their level of play, it's very difficult for you to do what you need to do. It's very difficult for you to look like you look your rookie year when. Now they got film on you. What do we do?

[Shannon Sharpe]

How many? How many. See, that's the thing. How many sacks did they. How many sacks did they allow, rookie year? Look up cj. How many sacks that offensive line gave up?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Now you're getting heat, you're getting hit. They flush you out the pocket.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But here. But here. Here's the thing, Ojo. When you have. When you start out like here, no matter what, you can't ever come down to here, Right? They expect you to go up. Yeah. So you got 50.

[Colin Coward]

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[Bobby Bones]

Hey, it's Bobby from the Bobby Bone Show. I had an incredible time at this year's iHeartRadio music festival and even got the chance to hang out with Diplo and Bailey Zimmerman while I was there. Check this out. So how did ashes come together, Diplo?

[Diplo]

Well, I kind of briefly met Bailey, I think, at Morgan's show, one of them. And I think he's just the guy in Nashville. He's cool as hell, and I had a new kind of sound I wanted to do. And I think he's the one guy that could carry it. And I came to his house, I had a show, I pulled up real quick. He was about to leave on tour. You're about to jump in your tour bus and we had like three hours play the record for him. We kind of like got a scratch and then he handled it on his own on the road.

[Bailey Zimmerman]

Yeah, it was really cool. He really just like randomly showed up to my house and I'm like, oh hey Diplo, what are you doing? He's like, I have a song that I want to show you. And I was like, okay. And then now we're here playing it live.

[Bobby Bones]

You can listen to the full episode out now, wherever you get your podcasts. And big shout out to my friends at Hyundai for making this possible. Had a blast cruising around festival weekend in the all new Palisade Hybrid.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on. Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

In seven games. Six games. Yep, six games. So two and a half. So another six games would be 30. Oh, man, I ain't talking about pro football focus. They don't damn pro football focus. Their offensive line isn't very good. I don't need football focus to tell me that. I don't know what they. I don't care what they're graded. I have a question.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'm glad you said the officer is not that good. Why did they let they best. They best offensive lineman go? Why they let Larry Tunstall go, I have no idea.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And when you got it sacked as many times as you did last year and somehow you thought you was going to get better, Maybe they didn't want to pay that salary. I don't know. Maybe they're going to redirect because, you know, you, You. You know what's happening. No, Joe, you're gonna have to pay Will Anderson Jr. You see what Michael Parson just got? Okay? Your quarterback is gonna be up too, after his third year. Okay? So you gotta make a decision. But paying a quarterback when you ain't got nobody to protect him, that don't make much sense to me.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It make. It makes none at all. And there is. There is no. There's no safety valve up there. There's no identity on that offensive line, somebody you can count on. So they got to fix that. They got to fix that. I don't know, maybe the Texans need to have. The Texans offensive line need to have a Kumbaya moment, a coming to life moment. Similar to what the goddamn Bengals had the other night when we played the Steelers. Cause they kept. Flacco. Flacco got touched. What Once, if I'm not mistaken, they.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did a great job of protecting Flacco. But Ocho, it comes down to like, you know what? I'm just tired of getting my ass kicked. I mean, it was a very sloppy game. I mean, you had 22 penalties that were called that were accepted for damn near 200 yards. Both teams were atrocious. On third down, the Texas was 2 of 15. The Seahawks was 2 of 14. It was.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It was nasty.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This was a. This was a. This was a hard game to watch. And I understand, you know, Seattle had a vested interest. They had their team. They. Unfortunately they ended up losing in Game 7 to advance to the World Series. Toronto, congratulations. 4 3. Springer hit a home run, I think in the eighth to give him a 4, 3 lead. And then they. They. So that means the C. Excuse me. The Blue Jays will face the Dodgers in game one of the World Series. I don't know when that series start. But I was. It looks like Seattle was going to blow this game open and then they got too cute. There was no reason for you to run a. A wide receiver pass. You're doing great. You're doing great, Ocho. You don't need to do that. I mean, why. Why do that at this juncture of the game? Ocho, everything we doing everything. It's like if I'm an investor, all my thing, I'm just buying blue chips. I'm doing this. You know what? They got this one thing over there.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I don't know. It's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But it could be big dividend for us. Yeah. Big reward come with big risk.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, but listen, what if they made it, though? What if they made it? Then it blows it. It puts the game. It puts the game out of reach. Matter of fact, at that point, hell, some people might stop watching.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oo you're. You think about it. You run trick plays. Oo when you, like when you're on that side of the field, you get the ball, you run a gadget play. Not when you going up and down the damn field.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And every. Hey, listen, everything else is working. Everything is working.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So. But they do get a win. Texas fan. The chat says the Texas fan of chat said Houston should have taken jsn. Man, you're not taking no JSN over no quarterbacks. It's easy to say that now. Everybody say that now. I mean, you go back to 85 and you probably say they should have taken Jerry Rice. You're not taking a running. You're not taking a dependent guy on a guy that's going to have the ball in his hand every time. You're just not. I mean, Will Anderson has been to the Pro Bowl. I mean, if you want to say, look, Jir Gibbs has been sensational. You go back and look at that draft. I mean, Bijan Robinson has been sensational. I mean, you know, Anthony Richardson is really one of the question mark Spoon, he's out, but he's a Pro bowl player. Pass Johnson has had it tough. The Raiders, Tyree Wilson. But Bijan Robinson, we know what he represents. Jalen Carter. Oh, Darnell Wright. Skaranski. Jameer Gibbs. Been sensational. Lucas Van Ness. Yeah, it's easy to say all those things now, Ocho, because. Because you see what JSN is. But they didn't. But did nobody say that after his rookie season? Ain't nobody said Houston should have taken JSN over CJ Stroud after the rookie year.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You know what you had. You Weren't able to see it. You weren't. You weren't able to get a sample size of his body work. That's why you don't. You don't know what you're getting.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I still wouldn't take JSN over CJ Spot. I'm not taking no damn receiver over no quarterback. So by that. By that thing, would you take Jamar Chase over Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Matthew Stafford, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert? Would you take. Would your best receiver in the game? Absolutely not.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No. No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because you understand catching the ball, what it's like to have somebody that's not at that level trying to get you the ball.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, it's. It's hard.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When you had Carson, it's like, man, then you get somebody that's not car. You're like, well, damn.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, it's a different ball game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You take for granted when you got a guy like that. Cause you think, man, hey, it's me, man. I be dealing out here. I. Hey, you give me anybody, I can do this.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn. I can't. I can't do this with anybody.

[Colin Coward]

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[Bobby Bones]

Hey, it's Bobby from the Bobby Bone Show. I had an incredible time at this year's iHeartRadio music festival and even got the chance to hang out with Diplo and Bailey Zimmerman while I was there. Check this out. So how did Ashes come together, Diplo?

[Diplo]

Well, I kind of briefly met Bailey, I think, at Morgan's show, one of them. And I think he's just the guy in Nashville. He's cool as hell. And I had a new kind of sound I wanted to do, and I think he's the one guy that can carry it. And I came to his house. I had a show. I pulled up real quick. He was about to leave on tour. You're about to jump in your tour bus. And we had, like, three hours play the record for him. We kind of, like, got a scratch. And then he handled on his own on the road.

[Bailey Zimmerman]

Yeah, it was really cool. He really just, like, randomly showed up to my house, and I'm like, oh, hey, Diplo, what are you doing? He's like I have a song that I want to show you. And I was like, okay. And then now we're here playing it live.

[Bobby Bones]

You can listen to the full episode out now wherever you get your podcasts and big shout out to my friends at Hyundai for making this possible. Had a blast cruising around festival weekend in the all new Palisade Hybrid.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Ah, come on. Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho in the game before that, the lions beat the Bucks 249 jibbs 218 yards of scrimmage. He had 17 carries, a buck 36. He had 82 yards on three catches. Oo he had that. They had that combo block. You see that was the guard, the tackle that did a combo block move that move that D out the way, got up on that backer and when he hit that hole, I said, bro, that's a rap. I feel, I feel, I felt bad for Winfield Jr. Because they like bro, that man Got a head might well stop running. You must. Hey, he should have just started taking up try to run it and try to intercept him at the five.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He took an angle that. That angle ain't matter. Listen, Jir Gibbs. Jir Gibbs is probably the closest thing we have to Chris Johnson. He probably the closest thing we have to Chris Johnson right now in the NFL at the running back position. He doesn't get talked about enough. We talk about b John.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He got that kind of speech. Yes. He got that kind of speed oo he looked fast.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He sure. He sure does.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you can't let a guy with that kind of speed oo come to the line of scrimmage on.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Once he gets past the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't make him check his feet.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Listen, sometimes even if you make him check his feet, he still might get you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

True, true. But. But without checking his feet, you got at all.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

At all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got to think about it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He didn't get touched right through there clean.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And it's.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's like. It's like we say about Derrick Henry. You got to make him check his feet. Because if you let him get a run and start coming downhill, hell no. Don't nobody want to tackle it. Who.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'm gonna make a business decision. I'm hit every. Every shoelace he got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm gonna let him get past me and jump on his back. Hey, bail dog, you ain't gonna knock me out. Hell no. 24 to 24. 9 Detroit go to 5 and 2. Tampa falls to 5 and 2. Jerry Goff was 20 or 29. 241. One touchdown, one interception, was sacked four times. Me, I don't think either quarterback paid particularly well. I thought Baker had the worst of the two nights because he was h a lot of throws. He missed twice for touchdowns. He had ibuka once and hit the DB in the back. And then he had another one that he. He wasn't able to step into it. He undershot him on that one, but I thought he was high. He missed a lot of throws. He had a lot of guys open, though, Joe. He was high tonight for some reason. I don't know if the pressure got to him or what the case was, but he was high on a lot of throws tonight. They didn't run the ball particularly well. 12. They didn't have a whole lot of rush attempts. 12 carries for 41 yards. Baker threw it 50 times because they fell behind. They were down 14 to 3. And then Jerry Goff had Had that turnover. But Detroit defense is playing unbelievable.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, they got to get Kevin. Kelvin Shapa. This flowers. They got to give Kevin.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, he does a hell of a job.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Not only. Not only did he call one hell of a game. Right. Understand all the injuries that they have right now. The whole. The whole back end is gone. Damn near.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joseph, Brad Robinson. Armstead. I mean, Arnold. Excuse me, Arnold, not Armstead. Arnold, man. Brian Branch.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Brian Branch. Terry and out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Brian Branch. No, Carrie. Rob. Carrie. What's. Carrie. Joseph. Carrie. Joseph. He's.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Kirby. No, it's K. Yeah. Kirby. Kirby. Joseph. Hey, Arnold. So they got three starters out in the secondary. And those guys that came in, oh, they played their ass.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Was balling. Balling.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They played their ass off. Hallett. Eight tackles. What you call was being his disruptive self. Hutchinson, he didn't have a sack, but.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He caught a. Hut's nice now. Hut's nice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, Wheat had a sack and a half. Barnes had a sack. Jack Campbell had a sack.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

The offense didn't look like itself, though, today on. It ain't looking like itself. And obviously you're going against the Tampa Bay defense. They. They ain't no slouch either. They ain't no slouch either. So I think that's why it almost look. I hate using the word human, but most of the time we watch the Lions offense, they do things that are different from everybody else. They take chances that other teams definitely wouldn't take. Going forward for fourth and four. Going forward for fourth and two.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, they put a lot of pressure on. You can't relax.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Exactly, exactly. So.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And see, that's the thing normal tonight with the Lions, it's really four downs. Cause a lot of teams you like, okay, we get the third a. Let's get off the field on third down. Nah, there's a great chance you're probably gonna have to stay on the field. If it's 4th and 4. Let's. Depending on where. First of all, if it's 4th and 1 and they're near midfield, if it's. If they're on the other side of midfield and if it's probably 4th and.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

23Rd, let's go down territory.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they put a lot of. They put a lot of damn pressure on you and it. And it's hard to stay focused because they're so creative. They do a lot of things. Hey, man, you saw this? Swing that ball to Jamir Gibbs and Penne Sewell was out there running.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, Panay was moving, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'm like, wait, A minute.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look at Buddy. Yeah, I'm glad Winfield dodged him. Cause he running that fast, he'd hit somebody. He'd have hurt somebody, man. Almond Ross St. Brown was Almond Ross St. Brown. He had six catches, 86 yards, a touchdown, gives with three for 82. Gibbs again, 17 carries, a buck 36, two touchdowns. He. I mean, I don't know. Look, we talk about these backs, and there's some great backs, but right now, Gibbs, Bishon Robinson, and Jonathan Taylor, they're, they're, they're, they're. They're the top three backs currently playing in the NFL.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Absolutely. You know what? I hate the fact that we have to leave Saquon off that list, but I think at some point, oh, we got to. Hey, listen, as the season goes on, I think things open up. He just has to continue to be patient, keep on chugging. You know, those runs are going to come because as you start to have success in the past, maybe, just maybe, defenses say, okay, you know what? We're not gonna make Jake. We're not gonna allow Jalen Hurst to beat us. Since Saquon hasn't had any success so far this season, let's see if he can still do what he did last season.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, C. Mac is in that because C Mac has been sensational. C Mac is always gonna be in there because he's so versatile. We saw yesterday, Ocho 7, Key Letterman, rushing and receiving. He gonna go. He can go get you 120. He can go get you 70, you know, 60, 70 yards receiving. It's just that the pounding that he takes because you give him the ball 20, 22 times on handoffs, and then you throw it to him another seven, eight times, that's 30 carries. He's not. He's not Derrick Henry. He's 205. He's not 245. That's a lot of pounding for a man that's not big in stature. Now he plays big runs, and he's just not a guy. That's what I love about him and Gibbs because they just not outside running. They run between the tackles, straight downhill. So it's hard to get a pinpoint. Well, when he's in the game, look to look for tosses, look for pitches, look for him to get outside. Nah, hell no. They'll run that thing up into between the tackle. They run power. They'll run out. Yes, yes. And I love that about them. But look, Detroit's gonna be there once every time.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Every time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I still think Tampa. I think Tampa's good. They had a bad night tonight. Baker. This was the worst game that Baker's played thus far. He's still in the MVP conversation. He's allowed other guys to catch up with him.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Wait, whoa, whoa.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You allowed Matt Stafford after that performance, even though he didn't throw for a ton of yards, five touchdowns and five touchdowns. My homeboy, he was never out of it. He's always going to be in a discussion because he's always going to have his.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Except those first two weeks, he definitely won the discussion.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, but when, but when it's all said and done. No, the first two weeks, Hell no. He wasn't in contention. But you knew, you know, based on his resume, there's a good chance when it's all said and done, he's going to end up 30 plus touchdowns and he's going to be over 4,000 yards and he's going to be, you know. Now they got an offensive line that can protect it. Yeah, man. It's Mike Evans. OO suffered a broken clavicle. He's going to miss the remainder of the 2025 season. Todd Bow says after the game he'll be out mostly towards the end of the season. We'll see what happens. It all depends on. Ooh. Sometimes they put a pin in it, sometimes they let it heal on its own. Now when it heals on its own, it's going to calcify. You have a big old bump on your shoulder like, like I got on mine. It's painful. I know it's pain. I. I can tell you that because. Hey, ain't no position sleeping. Ain't no position that you can get in that's comfortable.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Listen, hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like trying to brush your teeth. Hey, come on in here. Brush my teeth.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay. You can't do it, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bad I feel. Hey, man, I felt so bad. But hey, any move but don't choke. I mean I had to, I had to sleep. You know, I had one of the bands that, you know. Cause I had to sleep sitting up. You could you lay down? Oh, that pressure. You try to lay on the side. That's not broke. Oh, and don't you, don't you forget. Oh, I'm gonna let. Ah, hold on.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Didn't you tell us the story about. You thought you was comfortable? You thought it was. You was a little. You felt good. You was on the treadmill.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, yes, I broke, I broke the scar, the scar tissue. Yeah. But man, and what he was. He was tied with Jerry or he was 1 1,000 yard season behind Jerry.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, that's 11,000 yards.

[Shannon Sharpe]

111 consecutive. Cause I think Jerry got like 13, 14, but consecutive. Cause Jerry, Jerry street snapped his streak in 87. In 97. Cause he broke his. Warren Sapp tackled him, he tore his acl. He came back that same season. He did it the first game and then week 16 he came back.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, I, I wonder how he did that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't start me to lie. I'm telling you, he came back and he caught two touchdowns against us. He tied with Jerry 11 consecutive. No, he's not gonna pass him because he was one behind him. And you remember he hurt his hamstring last year and came back and they, and he got it. But. Well, yeah, because Jerry didn't have a 85 when he came in. And then Jerry went 80 from 86 all the way through 96. And then he picked right back up and got a thousand more and then he got 1098. I don't think he got a thousand in 99 because that was his last year. That was his last. If I'm not mistaken, that was his last year. Nah, 2000 might have been his last year. Yeah, 2000 might have been his last year.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It might have been 2001.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause I remember in San Fran, he.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He, he was, he was, he was with the Raiders.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, he definitely towards ACL.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay, okay, 98.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He came back and did it. He got 800 two seasons in a row. And then in 2001. Yeah, yeah, because I know he got like 13,000 catch season, 13 1,000 yard receiving seasons. He got 14 because I know he had a thousand at 40. He had a thousand. He had a thousand receiving yards at 40. He had 1200. I think.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They feed you that rock, baby.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yes, the night. Look, and everybody's gonna go. There are very few games that you go scot free that you just like, okay, he's the MVP front runner and every game he plays that he plays like that, you're going to have ups and downs, going to be ebb and flow. Because look, we thought Lamar had it. And then Lamar had a little hiccup and then Josh Allen was doing his thing, did his thing and ended up sneaking, sneaking past him. But look, Baker's had a phenomenal season. Yeah. This one game and he didn't play. He didn't play well tonight. But do I think he'll have another game like he had tonight? No, I don't think so. I don't. Now they're going to have to get, they lose Mike Evans, they're going to have to get Chris Godwin, that's who. And to help take. Alleviate some of that pressure on the movement. Now, Tez Johnson is playing well. He's a small guy, but he can't quit.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He could run to. He could run too now. But I like what they've done with the absence. In the absence of Mike Evans and Chris Godwin. And they keep moving the book around in different positions. They keep moving around, put him in motion, put him in a slot, condensing the splits, sometimes having them out wide. So you're putting them in different positions to be able to make those plays that Mike Evans would make, some of the plays that Chris Godwin would make, and they keeping you guessing on defense, where he's going to be at.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And I think that's why he's had so much success when you're like, well, hell, Mike Evans is out. Chris Godman was out. Well, hell, all we got to do and double number two. But nothing has seemed to work because he's been productive. He had a hell of a string of what, what before he hurt his hamstring last week. He was going crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And look Bucky Irving. I believe Bucky Irving is their best running back. He's not been. He's not been there the last couple of games. You get Chris Godwin back, you put him with Auka, you put in with Sterling Shepherd, TZ Johnson. I think they have more than enough weapons that defense is going to keep them in every. Defense is going to keep them in every game because that defense is really good. They're good against the run. Gabba, you know, hey, what's it. What's be the veil? Hey, he gonna collapse the pocket. Levante Davis still playing at a Pro bowl level. Winfield Jr. One of your better safety. If he can he good in coverage, he can come up and tackle. No, I like. I like what they have in Tampa. Still believe they're the best team in that division. Jamel Dean is playing really well at the corner position.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They're gonna be in the conversation at the end. At the end when it's all said and done.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Oh. Dolphins head coach Mike McDaniel says tool will be the starting quarterback this week and his explanation is that they will not throw 10 picks. Check this out.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

My expectation, yeah, he's going to take the snaps this week and he's going to their start of this week. And my expectation is that we don't throw 10 pics.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So that's why you throw. You. You hope you don't. So you're gonna start it look.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No, I can tell you why. I could tell you why. He's starting on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Quinn Ewers isn't ready.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Not only is Queen Ewers not ready to play, you ain't benching no $40 million quarterback. No, you just paid him four months ago. You just paid him five months ago. I ain't putting him on the bench. Not making. Not with that kind of price tag.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They gonna put his ass on the bench and they gonna look to move him after the season.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Wait, who the dog? Who the dog?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who we.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Matter of fact, let me see. I'm not done.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Quinn Ewers and they got Sam and I got.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

There. I'm trying to. I'm trying to understand. Who do the Dolphins.

[Lego Star Wars Advertiser]

Who do we.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Who do we have this Sunday?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Falcons.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, God damn it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho. I'm just trying to figure out what y' all trying to accomplish. Go and get that draft pick.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You do realize we just go to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get that draft pick.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Hold on.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's two in the first. First year or second year of his deal?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Second year.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

God damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They said that about. They said they said that same thing about, you know who.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Russ.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man. They just paid Russ. They gonna get rid of Russ. What did they do, Ocho?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You. You right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Packer said the same. They said the same thing about Aaron Rodgers with the Packers. What did they do?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Ojo, you're right. Hey, but they had a plan. They had a plan. They had a plan B. I don't think the Dolphins have a plan B right now. Yours is not the answer.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Broncos, they have no plan B.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They drafted. Okay, you're right. Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They just like. We just know he's not the answer, so we're moving on. The question the Dolphins are going to have to ask themselves. They already know this. Two is not the answer. And I don't believe he can go back in the locker room after what he said and what he said.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's hard to come back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That is just me. Coming from a guy that was in the. That was in the locker room. You know this as well as I do. I just don't believe he can go back in there and leave those guys. That's not to say he can't go somewhere else and leave.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But then that. That stain. That stain is already on you, though. Huh? That stain. That stain is already on you. And it doesn't matter if you go to the other team, it's still there. It's still going to be the topic of conversation. Well, damn. When he was. When he was elsewhere. Shoot. Man, he snitched on them. But, you know, hey, you know how we. You know how these young folk talk now. Oh, man, he snitched on the boy, man. We get. Man, don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They won't.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They won't look at you the same.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, don't say nothing right. Don't say nothing wrong to her.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, man, this pillow talking ass.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Damn. That's messed up, man. I. I like him, though. I like him. Good dude. Good dude. Good dude, huh? Good person. He means well.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He just. I mean, like, I don't. I don't know what made him think that saying what he said in front of the media was going to be received. How did he think. How did he think that was going to be received, Ocho?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I don't know. Honestly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah. Tool put him on blast. No to it. You can't put them on blast. You can't.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I mean, you also have. Also as. As the quarterback, as that captain. You have to be more self aware and understanding that you got to also protect those that are in house. You gotta protect them people.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just. I don't know what he was thinking, Ocho. I don't know how he thought that was gonna be like, yeah, man, I'm doing a good thing. This is leadership right here.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Maybe he did think that, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Maybe the mere fact that they came late lets you know what your leadership was in question. Lamar Jackson calls a meeting. Who's showing up late.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Show up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Patrick Mahomes shows. Baker Mayfield calls a meeting.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'd be there forget.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let's. Let's put it in. Okay? We already know the top dogs. Lamar, Josh, Joe, my homeboy. We already know they call the meeting. Everybody showing. Let's take it a step. Matthew Stafford. But let's go. Baker Mayfield. They're gonna show up on time because of your leader. Because you're the highest paid. That'll make you the leader. You bow. I don't care who had that fee on the guys know who got the locker room determines the leader, not coaches. And.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And your play helps as well.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, that's the number one thing that makes you a leader. That's the number one thing.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. And when that. When. When. That's not when. When the way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And his play hasn't been leaderish. When you're working, if there's such a word.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey. When your words and what you say in the media, it don't match up some. Something. And listen, is Uchi Wally or is one mic. Both of them can't be bad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That calls a meeting. Jaden Daniels calls a meeting, I'm there.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I don't even play for them, and I'm gonna be in the meeting.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's that. That tells you everything. I, I, and I said this and look, I, I don't, but I just, I just don't see how he goes back in that locker room and lead those guys a fresh start sometimes. Don't you. A fresh start is what's needed. Yes. Sometimes. Hey, sometimes the relationship, and that's what a player in an organization is, it's a relationship sometimes. You know what? It's just best that we go our separate ways. That's not to say that you won't find somebody that you'll be great with. That doesn't mean I won't find somebody that I'll be great with. But I just know us together.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, I don't like the way that sound. Huh? Because you got to understand Dolphin fans. Dolphin fans have been in the same situation since Marino's been gone. We haven't been able to find someone to be able to lead the ship for a very long time. We haven't, well, we haven't found a quarterback that we can say, Say, you know what? We don't have to worry about this position now. We can build around. We always seem to find ourselves starting.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Over from scratch sometimes. Ocho, I'll tell you, like my grandfather told the guy, he says, you like a Monday, you look better going to come. So. Yeah, I like that. So that's what I, I, I, I, I just think Stephen Ross probably is probably gonna, gonna clean house. Greer is probably gonna lose his job.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, think about. They went all in.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, they did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They traded for Bradley Chubb, they traded for Jay Ram. They play. They traded for Tyreek. They paid to her.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, they did go all in. They did.

[Diplo]

They did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. With Phillips, they had Calais Campbell. I mean, what else can they do?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That, that small, that small window of opportunity. It, it just, it didn't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You, you basically got a two to three year when you go all in. You basically got 23 years. Well, you got, you see what the Rams did when they went all in? They traded for Von Miller, they had Leonard Floyd, they make the trade for Matthew Stafford. You go get a Odell, you, you got Ram. Okay, we gotta, we got a two, three year window because then we're gonna have to break it up and have to retool it another way.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So they, they capitalized though, and it worked.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You draft, you draft a puka, you get, get Kyron Williams, you go get Burst, you go get the other guy on the other side. You see how they. They rebuild it up. That's what you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's what you have to do the right way. But it's easier for them because they already got. They got the most important piece. The quarterback is already set in place. Once you got the most important piece, hell, it's easy to build from there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Oh, Isaiah Rogers had a bad day on the football field. He gave a 79 yard touchdown to Devonte Smith. He gave up a touchdown to A.J. brown. And his DMs were on. Was on swole. But nothing calls him deserved. Look at what he said. We got it up on the screen. Go effing it, Face. You effing suck effing. Third down. You know it's a pass. You just gave the Eagles the win. Good F face. You know, with all their spells, if they really want to get up under your skin, you know, they go, hey, they got. They gotta put that in. In there. They got to put that. They got to put that one in there. You're worse than Hitler. Should have never been picked up. Worthless piece of crap. Waste of air. N word again.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, man. Hey, that's funny, bro. That's funny. And listen, at. At this day and age.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. He goes, oh, yo, Danny. Then he's like, all right, bro, my bad. Just lock in. Nah, nah, nah. Don't delete it now. No, keep that name. No. What you mean? All right, Just like. No, no, no, no, no, no. You should have just. That's what you should have said at first.

[Diplo]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on, bro. Hey, lock in. Nah, but you want to get all that off.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You understand the climate we in? You understand the climate we're in. They're fans. When you're playing well, when you're not playing well, they'll tell you and talk. Talk to you truly how they feel about you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's all. It's. It's the world we live in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But once you realize. Once you realize, Ocho, they applaud what you do, not who you are. You're fine. The mistake is that they applaud what you do, not who you are.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And listen, they're not a fan of you. They're a fan of the team that you happen to play for.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Exactly. And then guess what? Cause that's how he really feel. Because when I get upset, When I get upset, the first thing that I go through, when I get somebody, the first thing I ain't thinking the most. What is the worst thing that I know, right? Oh, you're in or that ain't what I do. But they try to go, what. What's the lowest thing? What is the most hurtful thing that I can say, that I can get a rise out of said individual and.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You can get a rise now. You can get a rise if you really care about it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He probably see Isaiah Rogers. What's up, Rogers? Hey, bro. What up, man? Dapping him on. I just. I just don't get it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I never will.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I mean, I. I don't know how other people react to it. Words, stuff, type. Let that stuff bother me. I could care less. He go on one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, did you. Did you get this? Did they have. Did they have Twitter and IG when you played?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Towards the end of my career. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Oh, okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, I. I didn't care. I don't care. I didn't care what you say.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I. I understand the world we live in. I understand even though you can't see it, the way people feel, it's still out there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And I understand that so.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, they got it where?

[Lego Star Wars Advertiser]

They got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They got a. They got a. They got a. A black card that have unlimited access to say whatever you want to know. In the climate that we're in now, we're as divisive as we've ever been as a country. I don't see it getting any better on the horizon. I stay in my lane. I ain't got time to argue with y'. All. I'm not going back and forth with y'. All. I know how y' all feel about me. I'm gonna stay in my. I'm gonna keep it moving. Go ahead. But I've. I've been very. I've been very blessed, Ocho, is that when I've traveled and you and I both travel a lot of work, everybody is great. I haven't met not one person. It's the people that hide behind their computer screen. You know, everybody got. Everybody got thumb muscles.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

What kind of muscles?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Thumb muscles got. They tight. Real, real tough.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, that's funny. Damn, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, I'm sorry. I know what I did was wrong, and I should never have done that. Why? You shouldn't have. So now your boss might see that it might cost you your job.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, did you change your tone up real quick?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. He didn't put your name.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, he lucky. He could have been messy, too, now. Messy?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that's. That's a part of it. It's always been a bad way. So think about this, Ocho that's because he played bad. You used to get this just because you were that color. Think about if he, if he went through this. Think about what Jackie Robinson went through. Think about what all the black players went through. Think about they had a rule. They end up. I ain't gonna even say, look, but they used to be the NFL. They wouldn't allow black players then. But we go to. We ain't gonna talk about that. Ocho, think about that. Just because, Just because I hadn't done anything. I just want to, Hey, I just want to make a living.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Got.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I want to feed my kids. That's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. He. When he picked up the. Yeah. The statement from the Minnesota Vikings. We are disgusted by the racial slurs directed at Isaiah Rogers following yesterday's game. As we have said previously, there is simply no room for racist words or action in sports or society. We support Isaiah and all players who unfortunately experience this type of ignorant and prejudicial behavior far too often. And we ask our fans to continue to fight to eliminate racism. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

We've been putting out quotes and speeches and putting symbols, logos, and slogans, painting.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The street and you, oh, yo, love over hate in racism. All that other stuff, that ain't nothing. It's. It ain't going nowhere. It ain't going nowhere. I, I just how you treat, how you treat me. I understand it. I know you don't like me, okay? I, I, we ain't got to deal with each other. We ain't got to deal with it. Ocho, if I know somebody doesn't like me, why do I, Why am I, why would I go. Why would I go to anything that that person is having? Why would I give. I don't follow people that don't like me. I don't go to their page. That's what I don't get. You. Oh, you don't like something that I said you on my page? I didn't say it to you, Daddy. I don't get it. I don't. And I never would. You know what, Ocho? Everything is not meant to be understood. I mean, I had to learn that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You understand the history of it, you know, it's not going nowhere.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I understand. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You know, you know, you have some that you, you have some that are genuinely not like that, genuinely not like that, don't have a hate and a bad bone in their body.

[Diplo]

And.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I think, you know, the thing is, and obviously, clearly I've been, I've been retired two decades and none of this was out when I was done. But I'm not so sure I would have been on social media when I played during the season. I had a singular focus. And, you know, look, everybody wasn't happy. Everybody's not going to be happy for you. But I. Ocho, when you went to Pittsburgh, you expected to win. Tell me I suck. Just keep it. Hey, just keep it. Just keep it. Hey, we're going to keep everything above the belt. No low blows. You ain't got to call me in. You ain't got to talk about my mom and stuff like that. All that ain't necessary. Cause you and I both know if I'm walking down the street, you ain't gonna say, hey, Ian, all that stuff that you say on Twitter and that you all tough about, Y' all not gonna say that? Y' all not.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

At least I haven't met anybody. People. Look, can I. Can my son take a picture with you? I mean, I get sometimes, hey, bro, I don't want to take no pictures. And Ocho, you'll see him do this. Hit the thing. Hit the turnaround on the camera and still try to snap it.

[Lego Star Wars Advertiser]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you be sitting in your seat, Ocho. And all of a sudden, they pretend like. They pretend like they looking at something. I'm looking just like, oh, y. I'm just like this here. I'm like, bro, really, bro? You're not gonna ask? You just gonna take it without my permission?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I was in the. George was. George was with me the other day. So this guy coming to me like, man, can I take a picture? I was like, bro, he's like, I.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Don'T normally do this, so why you doing it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I said, well, how many famous or semi famous people you see in the airport? I've never seen anybody. That's why you don't do it. He make it seem like he just. He walking down Rodeo Drive and see a list celebrities and he passing them up. But he said, yeah, I don't normally do this. I said, well, how many. You know, famous people? Assuming famous people you see in the airport? I've really never seen no one. I said, well, that's probably why you don't do it. A random person's not gonna let you take no picture with them.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's so. It's so funny when people. People say, I normally don't do this. Listen, I hate to bother you. Hey, I hate to bother you, but I'm finna bother you anyway, basically. Come on, man, just take the picture.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But they wait till they get done eating. I'm just about to eat. So they getting ready to leave. Ocho. I'm at the gym. They done got their workout in. You mind if I get a picture? Well, let me get my workout in like you got yours in and we get one afterwards. How you gonna get your workout in? Finish up then. You gonna interrupt my workout? You didn't interrupt your workout. Now, when you was working out, not one time you say, could you get a picture? Cause you was focused on getting your workout. Now I'm trying to get mine in. You mind if I get a picture?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. Hey, listen, people already know. If you catch me in public, I. You good, you good, you good. Hey, Young. I'd be having people feeling like I done went to high school. Like, I got people feeling like it's a goddamn high school reunion, like we went to school together or some.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I put party to part B. I'll.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Be moving you in and out. Hey, you mess around.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, but I don't really.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Go mess around and stop me, boy. We'll be sitting there talking for 20 minutes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't got that kind of time. Cause we're in a hurry. We get. We get from point A to point B, Jordan and I. Hey, I'm in a hurry, Ocho, because the last thing I. Boy, I missed my flight. I mean, one time we almost missed a flight. We was coming from Houston, then we went to. With the Salt Lake. Remember? They diverted us to Salt Lake? Yes. They had a four hour delay. Yes. And Shelly was on the thing. Shelly was booked. Had already booked us on another flight. So what? Shelley, you know, she booked the flight. She'll look, book one flight and then after flight, and then if we get that one, she'll cancel, you know, you'll cancel it. But, man, I was like, man, what? He flies, man, they got to do better than this.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

See?

[Bobby Bones]

Hey, it's Bobby from the Bobby Bone show. I had an incredible time at this year's iHeartRadio music festival and even got the chance to hang out with Diplo and Bailey Zimmerman while I was there. How did Ashes come together? Diplo?

[Diplo]

I pulled up real quick. He was about to leave on tour. You're about to jump in your tour bus. And we had, like three hours.

[Bailey Zimmerman]

It was really cool. He really just, like, randomly showed up to my house. I'm like, oh, hey, Diplo, what are you doing? He's like, I have a song that I want to show you. And I was like, okay, you can.

[Bobby Bones]

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