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What better way to win the end week 17 than with an overtime game? The Washington Reds Washington Commanders.
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There you go.
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Make the playoffs for the first time since 2020 with a thrilling 30 to 24 victory in overtime. They walk it off in overtime against the Atlanta Falcons. Thank you guys for joining us again. Y'all know me. I'm your favorite uncle Shannon Sharp. That guy. Liberty City Legend Bingo's Ring of Fame honoree Provo the All Pro. That's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit that like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you guys for staying around with us. We were here late last night and you're back with us again, so we appreciate your support and your continued support. Thank you very much. Make sure you check out Shea by La Portier. We have it in stock. The holidays are almost over, but what better way to celebrate the holidays and go into a new year than with a bottle of Shade by laportier? And if you cannot find a bottle in a state or city near you, order it and we'll get it to you because it's never too late to celebrate. Please drink responsibly. Please go follow my media company on all of its platforms. That's Shay Shay Media and my clothing company 84. We did this T shirt with 84 being spelled out. Our newest release just dropped last month. You had T shirts, sweats as well as stocking stuffers such as beanies, Koozies and mugs. Quantities are limited so please make sure you grab yours while supplies last. Everyone hopefully has received their orders by now. They started going out as early as Friday of the previous week, Monday, Tuesday, Holiday Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. So hopefully everyone has received their merchandise. Let us know what you think about what you ordered and and hopefully is to your specifications and your liking. Tickets for the super bowl show in New Orleans, our first spring tour stop, are on sale now. The link is pinned at the top of the chat. February 6th in New Orleans. Be there. I promise you, you don't want to miss this one. We've been nominated for two sports podcast awards, Best American Football Podcast and Best Sports Comedy Podcast. Make sure you cast your vote for us. The link is in the chat, pinned on our social pages and in all our social bios. Ocho As I mentioned earlier, the Commanders defeat the Falcons and overtime they walk it off 30 to 24. Jaden Daniels 30 of 24 of 36, 227 the game winning touchdown to Zach Ertz, one interception and he passed RG3 for the most rushing yards in a season by rookie and he broke the rookie record held by RG3 for that very said team. Jane Daniel has 16 rushes, a buck 27, 24, 36, 227 and three touchdowns as he was great when he really needed to be and he was great and that last drive and that first drive of ot they got the ball and they never gave it back to the Falcons. So they're headed to the playoffs. Ocho, what did you like about what you saw from the Commanders and Jaden Daniels the quarterback?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Listen, not only Jaden Daniels, I want to give Michael Pennick Jr. Some love too. I want to give him some love too because there was a series towards the end of the game in which he had to get it done. He had the team down there to give them opportunity to tie that game to even get into overtime. So the fact that he was able to do that now he did miss some throws, he did miss some throws in a drive, but they still were able to overcome those missed throws. He played a good game. I think he is the future. He is the future of that franchise over There in Atlanta. So, boom. Now to that young bull from lsu. Matter of fact, let's talk about that young bull who's the rookie of the year. Some people might say Brock Bowers. Brock Bowers, you know, he had a great season, but the rookie of the year in Jaden Daniels, Brock Bowers, with.
Shannon Sharpe
That team, they won four games.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, listen, Jaden Daniels was effing phenomenal despite the pick. Despite the pick. They were. They were. They were able to overcome that despite the. And do what they need to do that last series. Icing his veins. Icing his veins. Throwing the ball, threading the needle, using his legs when he needed to. No, it was a good game. It was a good game from start to finish. And again, I just told you this last night. I don't know what it is about the end of games. No matter who's playing, for some reason, it always comes down to the team, whoever has the ball last. Yeah, it happened. What happened with the Bengals. We just saw it last night. It happened again tonight.
Shannon Sharpe
Well, actually, you guys had the ball first, and y'all missed the field goal. Remember? You dunked the field goal.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, you're right. Don't remind me. Don't remind me.
Shannon Sharpe
You dunked the field goal. I don't even know if these games should have went to overtime because Jaden Daniels threw the ball right through and Zakias let the ball go right off his shoulder pad. The ball hit him in his face.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
So I don't o. I don't even know if we should have even went to overtime.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right, right.
Shannon Sharpe
And second of all, I'm trying to figure out when they got the ball and Atlanta at the end of the game. Why wouldn't they. They had two timeouts. Why would they let that kind of time run off the clock and not burn one of them?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I have a question. I have a question. As a head coach, Raheem Mars. Right. As a head coach, do you have a spotter or do you have somebody in the ear that can help you with clock management? Is there anybody, or is everything there?
Shannon Sharpe
Definitely, there are normally somebody up there that's helping you with the call. As far as, like, throw the red flag. You should challenge that. That was a catch. That wasn't a catch. That was a fumble. That was this. That was that. But I'm sure. Ocho, you're looking okay. He's looking at the clock. Okay, they caught the ball. He didn't get out of bounds. Use a timeout. You have two. Why would you let that counter time? Because now you speed your quarterback up and you don't need to.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Exactly, exactly.
Shannon Sharpe
I said the same thing about Minnesota earlier. They had three timeouts. It wouldn't burn any of them. They don't roll, they don't carry over. It's not like if you get to the end of the year and you have a surplus of timeouts, you get to use them all in that game because that's like that. You get a new set to start to have. I was confused by what Minnesota did. I was equally confused by what the Atlanta Falcons did. Cause I'm like, bro, you have two timeouts. Take one of them. It just didn't make any sense for me. I agree with you, Ocho. I thought Pen played well given the circumstances. Yeah, I was surprised that they didn't run Bijan Robinson a little bit more in the second half because he was, he, he had, he had it going in the first half. I mean, he ended up with 17 carries for 90 yards and two touchdowns. But if I'm not mistaken, I think he had those two touchdowns. Might have had those in the first half, so. But I was surprised that they didn't run him a little more. Pennix missed some throws early in the game. I think he was probably a little juiced. Ocho, you know, I'm excited. You know, I'm starting, I'm on the road. There's a lot at stake here. But, you know, give him credit. He's going to be, he's going to be a good player for the Falcons. I like, I like, I like the skill, position players. Drake, London, he normally shows up. Mooney, Kyle Pitts, you know, he had five targets, four catches, 44 yards on a touchdown, a great touchdown to get the game to overtime. Go ahead.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Can I say something, please? Yeah. For those of you in the chat, if you watch Kyle Pitt's play when he was at Florida, understanding how special of a talent he is, how much of a mismatch or advantage that the Falcons have, having a play player like that, that can not only line up at tight end. I call him a hybrid. I, I don't see him as much as a blocker. I call him a hybrid. He can play tight end, he can play receiver, he can line up, he can line up in the slot at the number two. Or he could take his ass out wide, you know, and create a mismatch for you.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I don't understand why the Falcons don't use Kyle Pitts to his strengths and what he can do from an offensive standpoint for the life of me. I don't understand how he has a rookie year that he has and he comes back despite his injury, despite the injury that he had, he was able to come back and he's still not being utilized the right way. And I. I just. I just had to get that out there because the way they're using him and knowing what he can do and what I've seen from him before, and knowing the talent that he has and how he can help that offense and make the quarterback job a little easier. He could make job a little easier, but they just don't use them. I don't understand him. What is going on over there. But other than that. Go ahead. You can take it from me, I. I just had to add that tidbit, man. I don't understand.
Shannon Sharpe
The tight end, Zachary stepped up big today. He had seven targets, six catches, 72 yards, two touchdowns.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Zacchaeus had a touchdown, eight catches, 85 yards on nine targets. On McLaurin, he. They couldn't get him going. They gave him seven targets. He only had one catch for five yards. Everything was, you know, they did a great job. Obviously, they put AJ Terrell on him.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
You see what they did? Okay, we're gonna say, hey, we'll run him. And that's what you have to do sometimes. It's okay, hey, take him. I would have been opposed to him putting. Putting him on. Putting terrell on his second best receiver and then running coverage towards McLaurin. McLaurin.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Now, the problem that you have is that you got a tight end that's feasting.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
So now you got to pay some attention to him. You know, you got Jesse Base iii, and that's what, that's what you got him there for. He's supposed to be the guy that somewhat neutralize the tight end.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
But Ertz had some big catches today, big touchdown catches. You know, we know he went to the Pro Bowl a couple years in Philly, but then they got Dallas Goddard and Calcutta, and they were just like, okay, we're just going to move on because it doesn't make sense for us to have. And then he went to Arizona, and then they get Trey McBride and it's like, okay, it's time for you to move on here. So. But I thought he played really, really well today, but Washington looked really good. They're 11 and 5 with a chance to get to 12 and 5. Playing the Cowboys at home. Oh, excuse me. Playing the Cowboys and Jerry were on the road. It'll be interesting to see because The Cows boys, we'll talk about that a little later. They quit today. Philly made them give it up. Philly made them give it up. Ain't no way around it. We talked about this last week. You see the difference between when you don't have expectations and when you win a couple of games and now people expect you to go out there and compete. Because Jerry was very, very happy that Mike McCarthy got this guy. These guys ready to compete and to play hard. And the moment Philly started leaning on him. Yeah, let it down. They laid it down. Yeah, they laid it down.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Because I mean they got a couple achievement late in the game, but Philly opened up a can on them and Saquon, Saquon did what Saquon was supposed to do. But I'm, you know, I'm excited for the Washington football team. They got that stench which is Daniel Snyder out of there. They've done a great job of drafting. They got the quarterback, they had nice pieces in place, but they got a quarterback. They brought an offensive coordinator in that's good at handling young quarterbacks, putting and having an offense that's very quarterback friendly, that utilizes what that quarterback does. Remember Kyler Murray? Kyler Murray did a lot of what we see Jaden Daniels did doing this season and Kyler Murray was rookie of the year. So I don't think anybody's surprised by that. I think, I think what you call them, I don't think Kyle and made the playoffs his rookie season. I think they made it his second season. But Jayden Daniels, 16 carries, a buck 22. Excuse me, a buck 27. 24, 36, 227, three touchdowns, one interception and the game winning touchdown. And over time to Zach Ertz as they walk it off and they win 30 to 24 and they make the playoff for the first time since 2020.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, show. The Vikings defeated the Packers 2725. Sam Darnold had a career day. Three hundred and seventy seven yards. Viking give themselves a chance to secure the number one seed. All they have to do is beat the Detroit Lions next week. They've won their past nine games in a row. Their only losses this season, two point at home to the Lions and a 10 point loss on the road at Los Angeles. No, was that game they lost to the Rams. I don't know if it was at Los Angeles, but Sam Darnold was sensational today again. 33 of 43, 377, three touchdowns, one interception. He was sat one time, Aaron. They didn't run the ball really well. So they basically had to put the ball in his hands and say, bro, you got to deliver us. And he absolutely did that. Justin Jefferson was 8 of 8 for 92. Naylor was 5 for 81 on the touchdown. Addison was 6 and 69 on the touchdown. Camp Acres caught a touchdown. But the Minnesota Vikings, I mean, think about it. You got Minnesota at 14 and 2. What you call them at 14 is. Is what? 13 and 2, 13 and 2. Detroit, they played tomorrow night. Ocho, they got the 49ers tomorrow night.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
So you might. For all the marbles, you might have a 14 and two Minnesota taking on a 15. A 14 and two Detroit Lions. Hey, listen, with all the marbles on the table.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Everything on the table. That's going to be a really good game. That's going to be a really good game. And outside of that game, we'll see that we get next week. This Vikings packing game was really good.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah. The NFL. Oo not to cut you off, the NFL released a schedule. Cincinnati and the Steelers are Saturday night.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
Detroit and Minnesota is Sunday night. Right. So prime time action with a lot riding on it. That's what you want to have happen. The NFL did one of the best things they've done with the scheduling. So look, Buffalo might probably not go play anybody. Ocho, they've secured the number two seed. Kansas City's made it abundantly clear they're not playing anybody. They're the number one seed. So they're going to make sure their guys are healthy.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
So guess what? You don't play this week, we got a bye week. So you got give a guy like a Chris Jones, you get guys that have some bumps and bruises. Now you give Patrick Mahomes two weeks to get that ankle as healthy as it's going to be. You get Hollywood Brown an opportunity to get some more running and get that shoulder. Yeah. So. But this was really good. Minnesota look. Minnesota look good. Minnesota look good. There could be a scenario. What? Who? Green Bay play. Green Bay play Chicago. Right. Last game of the season. Because everybody played division games. Last game of the season. Yes. At home. So the Green. Think about it. Green bay could be 12 and 5. Minnesota could be 143 or 15 2. Detroit could be 14, 3, 15 2. And they're all in the same division.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, yeah. And then that's crazy how the nfc. The NFC dominated the way it did and looked the way it did this goddamn season. They've been playing some goddamn good football. That goddamn Sam Donald. Boy, Sam Donald was cooking today. You Hear me? Huh?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You not listen to me. Sam Donald was cooking today. Remember when Oprah was giving out cars on that at one show? You get a car. You get a car, man. Sam Donald told the receivers, Addison Naylor and goddamn Jefferson.
Shannon Sharpe
J.J. you get a ball, you get.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
A ball, you get a ball.
Shannon Sharpe
Parkinson said, let me get some of that, too.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Now listen, they. They weren't able to listen. The goddamn Packer did a good job stopping the run. They did a good job stopping the run and got. Damn, I'm about to forget. Forget his name. Damn. Sam Donald had to put the team on his back in there, and he did just that. He did just that. So this is. I'm excited for him. I don't know what it's going to be like when they play the goddamn Lions, you know, because the Lions are depleted. Are depleted when it comes to. From a defensive side of the ball. Hell, they might put up motherfucking 50 points apiece. They might put up 50 points apiece. I'm. I'm in, dog. Just like. I'm, like. I'm so excited right now. I'm talking so goddamn fast, I can't even get out what I really want to goddamn say. Did you heard. You heard what Johnny Alexander said after the game?
Shannon Sharpe
No. What do you say?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Jair Alexander told reporters post game that he played against the Packers. I mean, if he played the packers, they would have beaten the Vikings if he had played in the game.
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Shannon Sharpe
Let's see. The packers will finish with a losing record in the division. The only. The only North. The only NFC north win came against Chicago. Okay. The packers are combined.05 against the top three teams in the NFC. The Eagles, the Lions, and the Vikings. Hell, look at those records.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. I mean, the Eagles have lost only three games, so they're 13 and three.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
The Lions have lost only two games. Minnesota's lost on the two games.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes, sir.
Shannon Sharpe
So it ain't no shame in losing them. Right, Right.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I understand.
Shannon Sharpe
Jair Alexander told the Post after the game, had he played against Green Bay, would have beaten the bikers. Yeah, Minnesota is extremely lucky. I was injured, man, if I'm playing, we beat them by two scores. And I'm not hit. And I'm hitting the gritty twice at minimum. Lucky. That's all.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Listen, I like his confidence. I really like his confidence. Listen, Jair is one of the. One of the better corners in the league who hasn't really been able to be out there due to injury. I think it's something wrong with his knee. Anytime him and Justin Jefferson do match up. Yeah, it's always a show. Sometimes he loses, sometimes he wins. But the fact that he goes out there and competes against one of the better receivers in the NFL is a really, really good thing. And it's always entertaining and it's always fun, never malicious. It's never malicious. It's not like when you get a Latimore and Mike Evans.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Fellas out there that respect each other and they gonna go to work. They gonna go to work. And I like what he's saying, but I don't think, even if you did.
Shannon Sharpe
Play, I mean, I don't think they beat him by two scores. I mean, I mean, I mean you only lost by, you only lost by two points, but you can only guard one guy. I mean, so if you take Jetta, who's going to deal with Addison?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right, right. And obviously the people that had to deal with Addison had to deal with Naylor. I mean, they couldn't stop him either. So either way it go, you can, you can, you can only do so much as one player.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But I love his confidence. He's always been that way and he's always been very brash and had that bravado and moxie. I like that word, moxie. I use it every chance.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, Justin Jefferson. Go ahead.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I just saw what you sent me. My bad. I'm too excited. That's what happens when I get excited. My bad, baby.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, my bad. Justin Jefferson put his jewels with the other family jewels. Justin Jefferson shoved his million dollar chain into his crotch after the chain fell off in the middle of a play.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I like that.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, hey, hey. Oo, man, look here, I know I like having a little jury, but I don't know, I draw the line, I mean, I don't know about no million dollars.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Now listen, did he say it was a million dollars or did we just put a price point on what it.
Shannon Sharpe
Is Twitter put up? I, I mean, I mean, looking at the jury that he weighs wears, he probably got somewhere between 150 and a quarter of a mil loan, though.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, is a bit much.
Shannon Sharpe
And I, and plus he got, plus what he got in his mouth.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, listen, Jedi's got style. Jenna got style. That's the way he played. He always gotten diamonds in his mouth. Chase with the Diamond Grill as well.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, must be an LS Lamar got one too.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, yeah, Lamar, Lamar, Lamar Grill one too.
Shannon Sharpe
But Florida, Florida. See, Florida started the grill. Florida used to have all the gold.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, yeah, wave it, wave it. Yeah, I remember them days, man. You remember I had a mouthful too, huh?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was, it was a, it was a very good game. The guys, like you said, the guys are stylish out there. I mean, it's hard to find somebody playing a skill position that don't have on jewelry. Yeah, I mean, they got. I mean. I mean, some guys have on bracelet, you know, have on, you know, you know, bracelets. Some guys have on chains. Obviously, you. You mentioned Ocho, you mentioned the grills. Yeah, but that's where we're headed now.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
I remember when I first. And a lot of the guys that are married having the rubber. The. The wedding bands on.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. I guess y'all want everybody to know y'all married, but it was a good game. It was a good game. I mean, this is what you expect. Two division rivals. Ocho, they're very close. I mean, 11. I mean, one was 11 and four heading into the game. The other was 13 and two heading into the game. So you expected a close. I mean, look, it got close, but, I mean, the score says 20, 27, 25. But Minnesota got the ball. It was a. You know, I thought Minnesota, once they got control, once he got cooking half that second quarter and. And into the third, just goes to show you. Yeah, Carolina had Sam Darnold and they had Baker Mayfield. I don't know if y'all know, but Baker Mayfield got like four or five games where he throwing four touchdowns this year. Now, he threw five today.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
With over 300 yards. Sam Darnold threw three today. He's thrown 35 touchdowns, which is the third most for a Vikings. So I don't know. So clearly these guys can play, given the right sort of circumstances. Now, look, they were devoid of talent. They didn't have this level of talent in Carolina. So you have to take. Look, I'm not saying that it's all Carolina fault, but Mike Evans and Chris Godwin, you look at what they got in Tampa. Now, even though Chris Godwin has gone down, they still have quality receivers and they have a nice running game. You look at what they. What. Obviously look at what Sam Darnold's throwing to, right. He got Aaron Jones in his backfield. He got Hawkinson, who's been a. Who's been a Pro bowl player. He's got Jetta, he's got Addison, he's got Naylor. I mean, look, he's got guys that he can throw the ball to, right? But it just goes to show you, I don't care without talent around you. Now, you got some guys now, guys like a Mahomes or guys like. Some guys can elevate, like Brady, they used to elevate. Could elevate, right. You know, not if you're in the league. You're good, but everybody is not going to be a Jetta, everybody's not going to be Randy Moss, tio and so forth and so on. But what a great quarterback like a Mahomes. He can elevate those guys play. When you're not that level of player, you need guys to elevate your play.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes sir.
Shannon Sharpe
And that's what the great skill position players around you are able to do. Baker Mayfield has been better since he got to Tampa than even when he was in Cleveland because he got more talent around him. Sam Darnold was never going to be this good in the jets and at Carolina because he didn't have this level of talent around it. And so if you go out and sign a Sam Darnold, look at what you have. Do you have the roster that's equipped to help continue to elevate him? Cause if you don't, he's not Mahomes, he's not Burrow, he's not Lamar, he's not Josh Allen, that's not what he is. And I'm not finna sit here and tell you because he's having, and he's having an outstanding year. I give credit where credit's due, but I don't look at him as a guy that's a multiplier that no matter who you put out there, Ocho, he's gonna make him times too.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right?
Shannon Sharpe
That's not what, that's Lamar, that's, that's reserved for the top four or five quarterbacks in the league. And that's not for him.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You know what, you know what I call those? I call those tier one quarterbacks.
Shannon Sharpe
Okay?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Tier one quarterbacks are your elites that regardless of what you put around them, they always gonna get the job done. Always get the job done. Then you have your, then you have your tier two quarterbacks. Your tier two quarterbacks. Sometimes they need a little help. Now they're good, but they're not great. Now you put some, you put some good receivers around them, you know, like the Buccaneers, you got some Mike Evans, you know.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes, you got to. But they can have a game where they are. They can have a game or two where they are great.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes.
Shannon Sharpe
But more times than not you need to have that hedge around and you.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Get what you get.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Yep, we got here. Oh, the Eagles reached the NFC East. So we've gone, hold on. We've gone like 21 straight years without having a back to back NFC east champ. So the last time we had a back to back NFC east champ was 2003, 2004 was the Eagles correct But let me go ahead and read. Kenny Ria, Saquon Barkley hit the magic number 2K. Yeah, he's at 2K. Five one game to go against the Giants. The team that didn't want me. The team that says I couldn't help them win no game. I'm trying to go get. I'm trying to work for 205. I'm trying to get 2205. Yeah, leave no doubt now. Hey, y'all put me back in the MVP conversation. Me personally, I think it's a two horse race between Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. It'll be interesting. So what, what's the, what's the odds now as far as Lamar and Josh Allen? Is Josh still favored?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You know what, and I got a question for you. When you get that answer.
Shannon Sharpe
Damn, it grew. Because remember, it was just minus 160 last week. We'll see. Ocho.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Jeremy.
Shannon Sharpe
Huh?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I had a question for you before you even start.
Shannon Sharpe
Go ahead.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
How many yards is. I know he's at 2000. How many yards does he need to break Every.
Shannon Sharpe
He needs 101 yard.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So here we go. Now we talk about the MVP race, obviously.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It's a two man race. A two horse race, actually.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen. What happens despite what Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson have done this season, if Saquon goes out there and gets 102 yards anyway, everything is a record. What happens with the MVP race then?
Shannon Sharpe
I still think it's between Josh and Lamar, no matter what. I do believe, I do believe that Saquon is going to be offensive player of the year.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay. I mean, he's offensive player of the year right now especially.
Shannon Sharpe
That's what I believe. I believe Ocho personally, I believe that's the war that he'll get, right? But when you look at, you look at Lamar, Lamar has 40, what, 43 total touchdowns, right? And eight turnovers. Josh Allen has like 41 total touchdowns and nine turnovers. So you see their neck and neck and then you obviously you got Joe Burrow. It would have been very interesting, right, had Joe Burrow had five or fewer losses. Now we gotta, now we gotta have a real hard. Now we gotta have a real healthy conversation because we know what Joe B. If Joe B. Has a chance to go for 5,000. Yeah, 5,000. And it's gonna be a very similar situation to Drew Brees when he had all those 5,000 yard seasons and he only came away. I mean, a lot of times he didn't get nothing.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right?
Shannon Sharpe
So it's gonna be very, very interesting to see. Saquon surpassed 2,000 rushing yards. He's 101 yards away from breaking Eric Dickinson record that was set in 1984. 2105. There will be temptations to let Saquon go for the record. I'm going for it, Ocho. I'm sorry.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, yeah. And listen, you know what I don't like? Huh? Especially when it comes to things like this, I hate internally. Especially when it comes to records that are being broken. When it comes to players that have incentives in the contract, I've always heard about teams doing funny things, doing funny things. I've heard the stories. I'm sure you've heard the stories as well. They don't allow players to get certain incentives. They take them out the game, or they don't give them the amount of carries or the amount of catches that they need to hit. I hope they don't play any type of game. Saquon. I know they're winning, and they might use the fact that they are winning or we might pull you off the game to make sure you don't reach that incentive of breaking that record. Because we don't want you to get hurt. We want to save you for the playoffs.
Shannon Sharpe
But I don't know if he got that Ocho.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Weird, funny stuff, huh?
Shannon Sharpe
You think he got. I don't. I know damn well. I'm not putting that record. I'm not putting no record. Okay? If I break. If I break Megatron, if I'm a wide receiver, I break Megatron record. I get. I get a million dollars, but I ain't putting that in there.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
No, no. I'm just saying if it ain't. I'm not saying. I was just using the incentive as an example of what some teams do sometimes players. I'm not saying.
Shannon Sharpe
Do I know somebody? Yeah, it happened to me. Right.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What happened to you?
John Middlekoff
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, so you had $100,000 in my contract, I had 115 yards and two touchdowns at the half. I needed five yards to get a thousand and then catch another ball. Didn't get another target.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You see how they do. That's why we're just saying, I hope they don't play that game of Saquon and trying to pull him out and not give him the rushes and the carries that he needs to break that record.
Shannon Sharpe
I'm getting that. Hold on. And I just saw Jonathan Taylor go have like 18 carries for 125. Oh, I'm gonna get that. I'm gonna say look, now it's on y'all. Y'all can give me 25 carries and let me get this number at the half, and I set that down. But I'm not coming out till I get this record. You too close. Everybody talking about, oh, Saint Quan. I go, he ain't being selfish. He sacrificed. Yeah, he blocked. He does everything that you ask him to be. He's been a model teammate. I don't know Saquon personally, but looking at his personality and the way he interacts, his teammates love him. They got him holding up in the locker room in the office of line. They doing things for him he never got when he was at the Giants. Right? The Giants organization appreciates him more than he ever got appreciated in New York. Now, I'm not saying the fans, fans, this is not a knock on y'all. I'm saying the organization. I'm saying the Mara, I'm saying the Tish's. I'm saying Sean or who? The General, man, whoever. They never show Saquon what the Eagles organization has shown him. I'm not talking about the players because I'm sure the players loved him. I'm just talking about from the ownership front office. I'm gonna stop it there. You see the way they embrace him, from Lurie to Howie Roseman, the offensive line, and he includes them in everything. I'm getting that damn record. That's that.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They gotta let him get it. I just know the game that they do play. You've experienced it before. I've heard the horror stories about it. And he sees. So he's so close to. I just hope they run the offense through him. I don't know the extent of the injury. I'm not sure what Kenny Pickett is going through, but they've got to lean on him. They got to lean on Saquon next week, man. So I'm hoping he breaks that record. That'll be very exciting for him.
Shannon Sharpe
Do we know if he got it? It'll come out. We'll know if he has any incentive if they were to win the division, if they win the NFC championship. I mean, he wins the MVP, I'm sure he probably have a $500,000 bonus or a million dollar bonus if he's offensive player of the year. He's MVP. He's Super Bowl MVP. They make the Super bowl, they win the NFC, they win the NFCs. I'm sure he has some incentives in there, but I'm getting that damn record. Damn. Y'all excuse me. I'm too close Ocho. Yeah. I mean, the likelihood of you ever. I mean, there's. How much was it. He. He got 500k for reaching 2,250 to wish the NFC championship, right? 250 to wish the Super Bowl. What about MVP? Super Bowl MVP or MVP? Oh, yeah, he about. See, he about to get some. Oh, yeah, he see, he. He gonna be a unanimous pick for first team all pro. That's 500,000. He got 2K. That's for another 500,000 he make the Pro Bowl. That's 250. If you make the NFC championship game, that's another 250. So we got an opportunity to get $2 million worth incentives.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Yeah, that's. That's a good thing. That's. That's. That's a. That's a very good thing. Man, who just turned the air on, man? Hold on. The sun just turning on, man. It's cold as hell.
Shannon Sharpe
Hold on. Kenny Pickett was 10 or 15, 143 yards, one touchdown. McKee came in. Tanner McKee came in through. He was 3 or 4. 54 yards, two touchdowns. As we mentioned, Saquon, they ran the ball 42 times for a buck 79. You knew they were going to lean heavily on Saquon. You don't want to put your quarterback in harm's way. Cowboys can get up your quarterback a little bit, although they did a great job of keeping him clean today. Saquon, 31 carries, a buck 67, 42 rush attempts for the team, 179 yards, one touchdown, and that was a run by Kenny Pickett. Devonte Smith, six for a buck 20. That's the way you bounce back, Devonte. That's the way you bounce back after what transpired. You can't get that back, but you could. Like, hey, y'all gonna put me back in that situation, and I promise y'all won't let y'all down. AJ 3 for 36 and a touchdown. AJ got excited, threw the ball up in the stands. What he didn't know that was Tanner McKee's first touchdown.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
So he said, hey, let me get that back. I'll give you the jersey off my back if you let me get that ball back.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, that was. So that was dope. That was a dope. That was a dope experience. It was a dope exchange.
Shannon Sharpe
It is.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm glad the guy in the. In the sands was willing to give the ball back without understanding that it was a quarterback.
Shannon Sharpe
I'd Rather have a damn jersey you talking about. That's the jersey. Oh, ain't no questioning, right? This jersey right off the man back. Hell, y'all saw him on national, right here stadium. Take it up off him.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Make sure he decided to.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, he did so. Absolutely, absolutely. That was an unbelievable moment there. And the Cowboys, you know what? Because this serves the Cowboys right. Because for the longest time, oh, Cooper Rush is better than Dak. Jerry could have saved that money that he paid. Dak gave 15, 20 million to Cooper Rush. Look at bro compared to Cooper Rush. Dak is Patrick Mahomes compared to Cooper Rush. Now, y'all need to stop this. Cowboy fans, right Cooper. Cooper Rush was a free agent nobody. He went back to the Cowboys, which I said was going to happen. He's a guy. He's a jag. Just another guy. And that's not. I don't say that in a disrespectful, but that's okay because you got 1500 guys in the NFL. Everybody is not great. There's room for everybody. But we've got to stop because we see guys have a few good games and talk about there's a second coming. No, he's not. And he never was. He never will be.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They crying him too early on. They crying him too early.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes. But I want to know, I mean, they must be. I think they might give Mike McCarthy contract extension. Cause he had them playing hard. Remember last week?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Remember last week? Jerry came out, he kept his team together. They keep battling 41 to 7.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
You see what happens with expectations. That's the killer of dreams. Expectations. See, when you have none, you go under the radar. You see, that's why I tell guys. When you see guys make all Pro, make Pro Bowls every single year, those are the guys you keep an eye on. It's easy to make the Pro bowl once. Yeah, it's easy to make it all Pro Team 1. But now they got film. Now they know what you can do. Now they game plan to stop your ass. That's now. Can you go make it again? Can you make it again? Can you make it again?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And that, that's the difficult part. Because what makes players great, what makes players elite, what makes players high paid value players for their teams is when they know you good. When the game plan for you and you do your job week in and week out at a consistent level, year in and year out. And I don't, you know, you know, so funny when it comes to great players like the Mahomes and the Tom Brady's and Mannings.
Shannon Sharpe
And you're the Ray Lewis. Yes. Yes. Yes.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I don't think people understand how difficult it is to remain at the highest level you possibly can when the game plan is stop, stop you. It's what they do every week. Every week.
Shannon Sharpe
I mean, there's never been a game plan that wasn't built to stop Jerry Rice. There's never been a game plan that wasn't designed. That wasn't designed to block Lawrence Taylor or to block Ray Lewis or to stop this guy or to stop that guy. And for 20 years, remember, Jerry had 1,000 yards at 40. There ain't no receivers playing past 35. Yeah, he's 40.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Brady. Since after Brady, after 2002, for the most part, every game plan, we got to stop 12. How do we stop 12? How do we stop 12? How do we stop 18? How do we stop 18? How do we get this? How do we get the guards up on Ray? How do we make sure we have accounted for? How do we block T.J. watt, Miles Garrett?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
And every single year, they kick your ass.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. And the funny thing about it, when it comes to 12 and 18, 12 and 18 is so special. And we're not talking about skill set and just being gifted. It's about. They beat you here.
Shannon Sharpe
Huh? They are thinking, yeah.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So whatever. Whatever you're doing defensively, they already had it. They. They already envisioned it in their head. No matter what kind. Well, no matter what you do, no matter what defense, no matter what the strategy you run, whatever, no bluffing, all that doesn't even matter because they already know because they done played it a million times in the head before they even run the play. I know. I know what I'm getting based off.
Shannon Sharpe
You got to go to this, Ocho. You know, you got to go to this because guess what? Hey, you know what, man? Ocho got in trouble. I know who you're gonna call. Let me tap that person line. Right on cue. They go, Ocho. Yeah. Didn't I tell you? They already know what you're gonna do when they come out of this formation. They know your check to it, so they got to check the count of yours. You beat them. You did a hell of a job. Normally had to knock them on the ass because you're not going to outthink them. You got to put your helmet up under the chin.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
But congratulations, Eagles. They get it done without Jalen. Hurts. Hopefully we'll see they're still fighting. There's an outside chance they can get the number two seed. But in all likelihood, it's probably going to be, it'll be interesting to see because they're, they're already lost three games. So if Minnesota loses, we're under the assumption that Detroit wins, right? Tomorrow night against the 49ers. So if they lose.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Come on, Come on. Now. We're under the assumption that the Detroit wins. Are they, are they starters?
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, no. They're playing the starters.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Huh?
Shannon Sharpe
They're playing the starters.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay, they gonna win. I mean, that's no disrespect to the 49ers in their defense. That's no disrespect to them. But Ben Johnson, that creativity in just too much. Aman Ross, St. Brown and Jameson Williams and obviously Montgomery's out. But Jameer, man, listen, they're going to win. They're going to put up points. They're going to score a lot. That's what they do. That's what they've done the entirety of the season. The 49ers are probably going to put up a good fight, but at some point, you already know what Dan Campbell going to do. You already know what Dan Campbell. Dan Supe. I'm gonna call him Dan Suit Campbell. You already know what he gonna do. I'm down. I'm gonna run the scoreboard up. And I mean no disrespect to you, but this is about my team. This is about changing the culture over here in Detroit. And that's what I'm gonna keep doing.
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Shannon Sharpe
Foreign. The Eagles fans echo Jerry Jones, which is not. Look, you're an owner. You in a hostage, you're in a state. There is no love lost between these two teams. There's no love. Now, their biggest rival is Washington, Right? Philly is normally Philly and the Giants, because they're right there next to each other. Philly, New York. Philly, New York. You know, so they're normally right there, Ocho. But Philly hate it. Philly hates the Cowboys. I'm old enough to remember. I know you don't remember this. When Buddy put a bounty.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Buddy Ryan. I was there.
Shannon Sharpe
Buddy Ryan put a bounty out. He put a bounty on the kicker. That's what. As a matter of fact, I think they sacked Troy. Go back and look at that Eagles game. I think they sacked Troy like 10, 11 times.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
10.
Shannon Sharpe
How many times did they sack Troy?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What the hell was the whole line doing?
Shannon Sharpe
They sacked him 11 times.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Jesus.
Shannon Sharpe
But look here. They had a nasty defense. Boy, they had a defense. They had Reggie, they had Jay Boogie, they had Clyde Simmons.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
They had Seth Joyners, they had Byron Evans, they had Muddy Waters, they had EA Eric Allen.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Wait. DB Arizona.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, boy. Hey, they had a squad.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Hell, I think they held us with 92. I think they might have held us to like, 50 yards of total offense.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Total.
Shannon Sharpe
Total. Go back and look at how many in 92 we played them in. Yeah, I know who they had. I know who they had. Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, you just said 50 yards of total offense in the NFL.
Shannon Sharpe
Go back and look at in 92. The Eagles. We played the Eagles in Philly. See how many yards they held us to. Man, they beat it. They beat. They beat us 37, nothing.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Jesus. And this must have been right. This must have been right before, as.
Shannon Sharpe
A matter of fact, hold on. This was the year. This was the Jay Boogie, rest his soul. Jerome Brown had died in the off season of that car accident.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, this was the Eagles team before Bobby Taylor.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, my bad, ocho. We had 82 total yards. My bad.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You heard me.
Shannon Sharpe
We was over 11 on third downs. Thanks. Oh, man. Hey, I. I ain't telling what somebody told me. I was there. Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hold on. Is this. Was this. This was before Bobby Taylor and Troy Benson got there, huh?
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Way before this. Hell yeah.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay.
Shannon Sharpe
Hell yeah. Damn.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I ain't know that. I ain't know. I ain't know that.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, you gotta realize, Troy got drafted by Miami.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He did?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. I shovel passes. I had caught two passes. I caught two shovel. Yeah, Troy. Troy got drafted by Miami.
John Middlekoff
I ain't know that.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Damn. That's crazy.
Shannon Sharpe
But hey. OK, Ocho, what will the Cowboys do? Will they keep McCarthy or will they move on?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I think they gonna move on. I think they're gonna move on. You know, Jerry.
Shannon Sharpe
Jerry.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Jerry wants. Jerry wants to make a splash. He wants to make a name. He wants to keep the Cowboys the star. He wants to keep it circulated in the media. That's something he'll always do. He's going to come out and say something soon. I'm not sure when it will happen, but he's going to be in front, in front of a camera. I love the way the players stuck up for Mike McCarthy. Michael Parsons, some other players came out and said some things necessary to vouch for him and wanting to be the coach of next year. But at the end of the day, it comes down to Jerry's decision and we know how Jerry feels. We probably know how some of the fans actually feel. Not. Not just about Jerry, but Mike McCarthy and wanted. And them also wanted to make a change and give that team hope. And the fans in the city of Dallas hope that maybe, no next year might be the year. And listen, I'm pulling for him. I'm pulling for him, and I just don't like the fact that the person who creates the most noise increase the most unwanted attention is the one who sits all the way at the top and he don't catch no balls, he don't take no hits, he don't do nothing. But, yeah, I think it's. I think it's unfair to the players. It's unfair to the coaching staff. The added extra pressure that he. That he puts on the team itself, instead of just allowing them to do it, allowing them to do what they need to do and preparing for a game and going out there and playing without the owner front and center, as if. We know you run the show. It just. It's just too much. It's too much of a circus. Yeah, too much of a circus. And I mean that in a respectful way.
Shannon Sharpe
O. Check this out. The Bills defeated the Jets 40 to 14. At one point, the score was 40 to 8. Aaron Rodgers had a 1.2 QBR today versus the Bills. It was one of the 20 worst games by a quarterback in NFL history. It was the worst game since Davis Mills in 2021. The Bills forced three turnovers, notched the safety, sacked Aaron Rodgers four times. Rodgers had a forgettable game with season lows and passing yards. 112 Quarterback Rating 44. Aaron Rodgers benched himself in the fourth quarter, essentially saying, you know what, Ocho? This is what he said. I mean, it was 33 to nothing. We're sitting there. And I said, at some point, you probably go to Tyrod, huh? Probably should have went to Tyrod about five games ago, huh?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, you know what? Hey, Bills, I need y'all to give me your vaccination status because that probably. That probably why y'all won't.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, so I can ask you a question on a chat?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, sure. I would love for you to ask me a question.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, chat. Listen, listen to me. Is this any different than Anthony Richardson saying, absolutely not, and coming out the game and Aaron Rodgers saying, you know what? I'm going to bench myself. I guess.
Shannon Sharpe
What?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Maybe based on my play, when there's nothing wrong with it, they're any different. I'm just curious. I'm here, Chad. I'm curious on your thoughts. I just want to. I don't get it. I never heard of a player actually mentioned himself unless he's saying he bent himself. Unless they actually did it.
Shannon Sharpe
No, that's not what he said. He said he went to the coach, basically went to the coach and said, we're sitting there. And I said, at some point, probably go to Tyrod here, huh?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What? You can't say that. You can't give up on your Team in the middle of a game, no matter how bad you Glenn, you still got to keep fighting to the end. You have to.
Shannon Sharpe
So I'm just trying to figure out. I mean, I'm curious, but in fact, they probably look, I mean, he done begged enough for a job. Oh, if they draft a quarterback, I would mentor him. You know, that's not a conversation for me. I mean, he's begging to stay there. He know he's played bad.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
And y'all getting people have given him every excuse. And when you say that he's played bad, you're talking about his vaccination status. That ain't got nothing to do with him playing bad at all. That ain't got nothing to do. And that was four years ago. Ain't even nobody talking about COVID He keeps bringing that up to try to what he's trying to do. He's playing the shell game with Jocho.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right, right, right, right.
Shannon Sharpe
I'm playing bad. Let's talk about COVID Mm.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yo, so you're still playing bad.
Shannon Sharpe
I see the right hand is what you're playing bad with.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So you trying to say he's trying to distract us.
Shannon Sharpe
He trying to distract. That's why he keeps bringing it up. Don't nobody bring up that he misled people and immunization. And he talk about if he vaccinated, he immunized. Nobody brings that up. We're talking about your play in 2024 has been abysmal. There's no way around it. He's played bad. He's still a four time league mvp. He's still a Super bowl champ. He still has thrown 499 touchdowns. He's done all of that. Yeah, and I say that. But he's played bad in 2024. There's no way around it, Chat. There's no way around it. Jet fans, even the most die hard, staunchest supporters of Aaron Rodgers can honestly can't look themselves in the mirror and say he's played good because he hasn't.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So with that being said, being that his 24. 2024 season was abysmal. It's been bad. It's been really bad. Does he get an opportunity to redeem himself next year? That's the question.
Shannon Sharpe
I don't believe he redeemed himself in New York. That's just me, right? I think, I mean, Woody Johnson, if the reports are to be believed that Woody Johnson tried to bench him earlier in the season, I don't know why you would bench him and then have him back that's just my thought. Now, look, owners have done things that made me scratch my head before.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, they. Yeah, they have.
Shannon Sharpe
But all I know is this. They fired the coach, they demoted the offensive coordinator, and he's still playing bad.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So, so, so we. We. We realized Salah wasn't the issue. No, like I say, you know, no, players get. Players get coaches fired.
Shannon Sharpe
But, Ocho, the thing is, this is what you have to understand. When you bring a guy like that in, you basically turn. You turn the organization over to it.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, you get the keys to him. You have to.
Shannon Sharpe
Tampa did that for. Tampa did that for Brady. Broncos did that for Manning. The problem that you have to be careful with is that people, sometimes they have power, they'll abuse that privilege. Oh, it'll tell you a lot. Give a person. If you want to know what a person people say, well, give him money. Give a person power.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, that'll tell you exactly who a person is. That's him.
Shannon Sharpe
Aaron Rodgers has 499 career touchdowns. Suddenly, 500 unlock a certain thing. It's going to be interesting to see. Does he play? Does he start next week? Does he play next week?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
It's being reported that Garrett Wilson will reportedly request a trade if Rodgers comes back as quarterback. Now, Ocho, I remember having a conversation with you this off season when they were in training camp, and he kept talking to Roger. I said, ocho, that's not a good sign. You said, oh, oh, it's just the preseason. I said, ocho, I'm telling you, he keep talking, right? And I don't blame him. Y'all keep telling me. All I know is that when I had a lesser quarterback, I was offensive rookie of the year.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, he was putting up the numbers. Now, I'm not saying he's not being utilized the right way, but I know what he can do. I know what he can do. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with him. There's nothing wrong with him. But the quarterback play has been abysmal. And we've seen Aaron Rodgers before be able to facilitate the ball and be able to dish it and deliver it to multiple players at a time, because he did it for a very long time in Green Bay. Maybe he just knocked the same quarterback we're used to seeing, because there's no reason Garrett Wilson, to be upset. There's no reason Garrett Wilson, with his talent, with his skill level and what he can contribute to that offense, there's no reason for this in his time. He's young. He's not even in his prime. Yet it's being wasted in New York. It is.
Shannon Sharpe
And that's. Look, guys, y'all look. Ocho has a little. Is a different way. I just call it, like I said.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
I don't have anything personal against anybody. I don't think I'm better than anybody. I don't care what somebody else is doing. I just look at it and say, okay, the guy's playing good. The guy's not playing good. And let me try to explain to you why he's not playing good or why he is playing good. And so that's why I just don't look at touchdown, interception, sack, blah, blah, blah. I'm trying to look at how it came. I'm trying to look at how it came to be. That's why we were able to look at the players. Oh, that interception that y'all blaming on Russ. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That wasn't Russ. That was Pickens. He quit on the route. And so once he quit on the route, the safety said, why the hell am I going to get why when there's not a threat, why the danger is screaming up the seam here? Let me just cheat this here. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Russ. I appreciate that. And everybody like Russ. How could you throw that? Had to say, had Pickens not quit on that route and he stayed wide, that means Reed would have had to stay wide, right? And that means Frymouth would have got over the top of it because he picked it. You have to understand, everything ties together. Ocho, we're talking about from a standpoint of running routes. We know how things tie together, right? Front side, we gotta. Maybe the front side, we got a dagger, hoping that safety get nosy, that we got the post on the backside. Yeah, that's what they did with the Dino route. The Broncos ran the Dino to mail Marvin Mims Jr. Marvin Mims, yeah. He's already outside, so I'm gonna get him a little further. Now I'm gonna head back to the post. Safety ain't paying attention. On the backside now I'm past you. So in offense, things tie together. It's almost like rice and gravy, right? Cornbread and this. Potatoes and that. They go together. And so you trying to see, okay, this went together. But guys, at some point in time, even our favorite players, they're not what they once were and they can't do it as. And that's the one thing that you learn, is that you can't do it consistently. You could have a game or two, but Aaron Rodgers used to throw 300, 250. Aaron Rodgers. Turn, hold on. How many interceptions the man got? He probably got three seasons in 20 years in which he's had double digit interceptions. Rogers was throwing 45 touchdowns with six picks. 40 touchdowns with four picks routinely.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, that's what.
Shannon Sharpe
I'm not sure. He has 100 interceptions total. Does he have 100 interceptions total?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That's when I. But that's when I told you the other night. I saw the graphic come up. I saw the graphic come up and I'm looking, I thought, I'm like, man, what in the hell?
Shannon Sharpe
If he does, he might not have but 102. He has the greatest touchdown to interception ratio in NFL history.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
So he has 499 touchdowns, 113 picks, which is crazy. That's crazy, Ocho. Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And that's why he's afforded opportunities, huh? That's why he's giving grace as the quarterback. Because of that. But people understand it and you know they're going to use that as a crutch over and over and over. He's going to get another opportunity to play. If I don't know if it's going to be New York, I don't know if it's going to be in New York. Knowing Aaron Rodgers and the way he is and the way he operates.
Shannon Sharpe
He.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Gonna want to come back.
Shannon Sharpe
But here's the thing, Ocho.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He gonna want to come back.
Shannon Sharpe
Ocho. As you get older, you don't get to make the decisions.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Think about it. Tom Brady didn't get to write his ending. Yeah. Peyton Manning didn't get to write his ending. Montana didn't get to write his ending. Emmett Smith didn't get to write his ending. There are not very many guys because once you get older, you don't get to write the ending that you want.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But we got a small problem. We got a small. We just have a very small problem.
Shannon Sharpe
What's that?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Aaron Rodgers might not be able to write the ending, Right.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But they can't close the page on that chapter because they don't have nobody to open the new book.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, they do. Oh, why wouldn't you go back to Sam Donald?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I like. Where you going?
Shannon Sharpe
You see?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You know what I like, Ocho?
Shannon Sharpe
It's a lot. Sometimes, sometimes even in a relationship, the individual, the female or the male can be paralyzed because they're so afraid that somebody might not out there. What am I going to do? Yeah, I know he don't pay for. I know he beat on me. I know she cheat on me. I know this. But am I going to be able to find somebody else? You get paralyzed by that because you overthink said situation.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes, sir.
Shannon Sharpe
I refuse to be in a situation like that.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Come on, now.
Shannon Sharpe
I refuse to. I am not going to let you hold me hostage because I don't see it right now. Something on the other side.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Come on, Pastor.
Shannon Sharpe
Because the jets cannot see, right? Well, who is the quarterback right now? That we can definitively say. Are you saying that there's somebody out there that can be worse? I mean, are you telling me. You mean to tell me you can't find somebody out there that can go 5 and 11? I mean, 5 and 12, that can go 6 and 10, that can go 7 and 7 and what, 9 and 8 right there? You got to be kidding me.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. There are now no quarterback chat. Tell me if I'm wrong. Do y'all believe that there's another. There's not another quarterback out there that can do what Rogers did this year. Now, if you tell me you're gonna give me 20, 20, 20, 21 Rogers, I say, hey, bring his ass back.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, most definitely. In a heartbeat. Without.
Shannon Sharpe
Without that guy Ocho, that guy, you would be in the playoffs. But he's not that guy anymore, right? It's like the old. The old actors, actresses. Where's my close up, Mr. DeMille? There is no close up, right?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I mean, that's.
Shannon Sharpe
That's Ocho. Check this out.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes, sir.
Shannon Sharpe
Sauce Gardner posted a warning on IG to other players. Stay away from the jets on T. Higgins post. Put me in, Coach. Sauce Gardner says, pay that man, Sauce. Tell him to come to the Jets. Sauce Gardner. I will not be telling him that. Sauce Gardner on if today's loss was embarrassing. Embarrassing. I don't even know if that's the word you're telling me now is 40 0, if you ask me. If you ask me, that means the end of the season. Obviously, we're not going to the playoffs. Some people might have checked out.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, I like it. It's okay to be honest. It's okay to voice your frustration. It's okay to say how you feel without being PC, you know, it shows people that you care. It shows them that you care. It's okay. And I think more players need to do it. I think more players need to do it.
Shannon Sharpe
He ain't throwing nobody under the bus. He ain't call no name. All he's saying, maybe some people. Bottle check. I've been in situations before, Ocho. We not going to the playoffs. Ain't nobody trying to hey, guys going through the motion because they don't want to get hurt. I ain't trying to have no surgery in the off season. Hey, I want to train. I ain't trying to rehab. I need these first couple of months. I want to go to Jamaica. I want to go to Cancun or wherever I'm going. I ain't really trying to do no rehab. I ain't trying to be here in Denver. I ain't trying to be here. No, that ain't, that ain't going to fly with me. All he says hey, because I think it was a close game the first time they played. I think they lost 23, 20. So you mean to tell me we come back six weeks later and this team got us down 30 plus to nothing? 40 to nothing. Oh hell no.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Damn.
Shannon Sharpe
The volume.
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Club Shay Shay Podcast Summary
Episode: Nightcap - Hour 1: Jayden Daniels ROY, Saquon breaks 2000, Rodgers’ awful performance
Release Date: December 30, 2024
Introduction
In this episode of Club Shay Shay, NFL legend Shannon Sharpe and former wide receiver Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson dive deep into the latest happenings in the NFL. Skipping over the numerous advertisements, the hosts focus on three major topics: Jayden Daniels' impressive rookie season, Saquon Barkley's milestone of breaking 2,000 rushing yards, and Aaron Rodgers' disappointing performance.
Jayden Daniels' Rookie Season and Rookie of the Year (ROY) Discussion
[07:20] Chad Ochocinco Johnson:
Chad begins by commending Jayden Daniels’ exceptional performance, highlighting his stats: "Jaden Daniels 30 of 24 of 36, 227 the game-winning touchdown to Zach Ertz, one interception and he passed RG3 for the most rushing yards in a season by rookie..." He emphasizes Daniels as the future of the franchise, praising his ability to handle pressure despite occasional missed throws.
[08:03] Shannon Sharpe:
Shannon concurs, noting Daniels' clutch performance in critical moments: "Jaden Daniels was effing phenomenal despite the pick... using his legs when he needed to. It was a good game from start to finish." He underscores Daniels' significance in leading the Washington Commanders to the playoffs for the first time since 2020.
[11:28] Chad Ochocinco Johnson:
Chad shifts focus to Sam Donald and Kyle Pitts, expressing frustration over Pitts' underutilization: "I don't understand why the Falcons don't use Kyle Pitts to his strengths... he can create a mismatch for you." He laments the lack of offensive strategy to fully leverage Pitts' hybrid abilities as a tight end and receiver.
Saquon Barkley Breaks 2,000 Rushing Yards and MVP Race
[33:52] Chad Ochocinco Johnson:
The conversation transitions to Saquon Barkley's remarkable achievement of surpassing 2,000 rushing yards: "Kenny Ria, Saquon Barkley hit the magic number 2K..." Chad speculates on Saquon's potential bonuses, discussing the incentives tied to his performance.
[34:20] Shannon Sharpe:
Shannon views Barkley as a frontrunner for Offensive Player of the Year: "I do believe that Saquon is going to be Offensive Player of the Year." He compares Barkley's impact to elite quarterbacks, asserting that despite his achievements, Barkley's team needs a strong supporting cast to maximize his potential.
[34:37] Chad Ochocinco Johnson:
Chad expands on the MVP race, highlighting Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson as the top contenders: "It's a two man race... Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen." He questions what would happen if Barkley continues to excel, pondering whether it might influence the MVP conversation.
[36:00] Shannon Sharpe:
Shannon expresses optimism about Barkley's record-breaking pursuit: "I'm getting that damn record. That's that." He discusses the organizational support Barkley receives, contrasting it with his previous stint at the Giants, and emphasizes the importance of continued offensive reliance on him.
Aaron Rodgers' Underperformance
[58:29] Shannon Sharpe:
The hosts turn their attention to Aaron Rodgers, scrutinizing his lackluster performance against the Bills: "Aaron Rodgers had a 1.2 QBR today versus the Bills. It was one of the 20 worst games by a quarterback in NFL history." Shannon critiques Rodgers’ decision to bench himself in the fourth quarter, questioning the rationale behind the move.
[59:23] Chad Ochocinco Johnson:
Chad draws parallels between Rodgers' situation and Anthony Richardson's recent decisions: "Is this any different than Anthony Richardson saying, absolutely not, and coming out the game..." He questions the validity of Rodgers' self-benching, emphasizing the importance of perseverance regardless of performance.
[62:29] Shannon Sharpe:
Shannon challenges Rodgers' performance metrics, highlighting his historically high touchdown-to-interception ratio: "He has 499 touchdowns, 113 picks, which is crazy." He debates the decision-making processes within Rodgers' team, suggesting that organizational dynamics might be impacting Rodgers' on-field effectiveness.
[64:35] Chad Ochocinco Johnson:
Chad considers the future for Rodgers, noting the lack of a suitable quarterback replacement: "He has to... They don't have nobody to open the new book." He speculates on Rodgers' potential return and the challenges the Jets face in finding a reliable successor.
[68:09] Shannon Sharpe:
Shannon underscores Rodgers' diminishing capabilities: "And that's why he's afforded opportunities... But he’s still playing bad in 2024." He attributes Rodgers' struggles to both personal performance issues and team dynamics, ultimately questioning his future with the Jets.
General NFL Playoff and Team Analysis
[17:05] Chad Ochocinco Johnson:
Chad shifts focus to the Minnesota Vikings, praising Sam Darnold’s explosive game: "Sam Darnold threw three today... he was putting up the numbers." He anticipates a thrilling matchup against the Detroit Lions, emphasizing the high stakes involved.
[25:20] Shannon Sharpe:
Shannon analyzes the NFC North standings, projecting outcomes based on current team performances: "The Packers will finish with a losing record in the division... Saquon, Saquon did what Saquon was supposed to do." He discusses the potential playoff implications for teams like the Eagles, Lions, and Vikings.
[43:35] Shannon Sharpe:
Shannon critiques the Dallas Cowboys' coaching situation, particularly targeting Mike McCarthy: "I think they’re gonna move on... He’s going to be in front of a camera... It’s too much of a circus." He voices skepticism about McCarthy's future with the team, calling for a more stable and less media-driven leadership approach.
[48:37] Shannon Sharpe:
Shannon reviews the Bills' dominant performance against the Jets: "The Bills defeated the Jets 40 to 14... Aaron Rodgers benched himself in the fourth quarter." He praises the Bills' defensive prowess and questions the strategic decisions made by the Jets' coaching staff.
[61:22] Shannon Sharpe:
Shannon wraps up the discussion by reiterating the critical roles of star players and team dynamics: "Sometimes, sometimes even in a relationship, the individual... can be paralyzed because they're so afraid that somebody might not be out there." He emphasizes the importance of leveraging key talents like Saquon Barkley and questions the sustainability of relying solely on aging quarterbacks like Rodgers.
Conclusion
In this episode, Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson provide a comprehensive analysis of significant NFL storylines, focusing on rising stars like Jayden Daniels and Saquon Barkley, while critically examining the decline of established players like Aaron Rodgers. Their insights offer listeners a nuanced understanding of team performances, player dynamics, and the ever-evolving landscape of the NFL playoff race.
Notable Quotes with Timestamps
[07:20] Chad Ochocinco Johnson:
"Jayden Daniels is the future of that franchise..."
[08:03] Shannon Sharpe:
"Jaden Daniels was effing phenomenal despite the pick..."
[11:28] Chad Ochocinco Johnson:
"I don't understand why the Falcons don't use Kyle Pitts to his strengths..."
[33:52] Chad Ochocinco Johnson:
"Kenny Ria, Saquon Barkley hit the magic number 2K..."
[34:20] Shannon Sharpe:
"I do believe that Saquon is going to be Offensive Player of the Year."
[36:00] Shannon Sharpe:
"I'm getting that damn record. That's that."
[58:29] Shannon Sharpe:
"Aaron Rodgers had a 1.2 QBR today versus the Bills..."
[59:23] Chad Ochocinco Johnson:
"Is this any different than Anthony Richardson saying, absolutely not..."
[62:29] Shannon Sharpe:
"He has 499 touchdowns, 113 picks, which is crazy."
[68:09] Shannon Sharpe:
"But he's still playing bad in 2024."
Final Thoughts
Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson deliver a spirited and in-depth discussion that not only highlights individual player achievements but also scrutinizes the strategic decisions impacting team performances. Their blend of expertise and candid commentary provides listeners with a clear perspective on the current state of the NFL.