Nightcap Hour 1: Jaylen Brown & Joel Embiid AT ODDS?! + MVP Year LOADING for Ant Man?!

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1: Jaylen Brown & Joel Embiid AT ODDS?! + MVP Year LOADING for Ant Man?!

Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Date: July 14, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe ("Unc"), Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson, Joe Johnson
Summary by Shay Shay Media & Playmaker

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the NBA's latest offseason drama and team dynamics, focusing on:

• The reported lack of communication between newly traded Jaylen Brown and Joel Embiid
• What team protocol should be when stars join forces
• Anthony Edwards ("Ant Man") and the Minnesota Timberwolves' new potential with LaMelo Ball, and his MVP chances
• Team dynamics, superstar egos, and the subtle art of building championship chemistry
• Nostalgic stories from the hosts’ football and college days, offering insight on athlete relationships and locker room culture

The show features candid, humorous banter and honest reflection on both present-day NBA news and classic tales from host and guest experiences.

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Key Topics & Takeaways

1. Jaylen Brown & Joel Embiid: Communication Breakdown?

Timestamps: 07:25–12:25

• Source of Rumor: Tracy McGrady claims JB and Embiid haven't spoken since the trade.

• Chris Finch details the situation:

  "JB was on a stream the other day... talked to Maxey and vj, but I don't think he hasn't spoken to Embiid yet... that's not a good sign..." [07:25]

• Immediate Panel Reaction:

  • Shannon (Unc): "I don't like it. Yeah, I don't like that." [08:01]
  • Consensus: It’s odd for two superstars on a new team not to speak, but hosts debate how much it really matters.
  • Ocho Cinco compares to NFL:

    "When new players are coming in... I wouldn't put too much into it... If I hear from you, it's okay. If I don't, I see you when it's time to play ball and it matters most." [08:28]

  • Joe Johnson: Minimal contact might be fine if past issues are resolved:

    "If they did have anything, you know, riff raff... that's water under the bridge now... We're on the same team now." [09:17]

• Protocol for Superstars:

  • Shannon probes: What's standard in pro sports when an A-list star lands on your team?
  • Joe Johnson: Typically, "if you get a guy that caliber... first thing you hit 'em, bro, 'welcome to the squad... we about to make something shake.'" [11:01]
  • Ocho's Patriots Anecdote: Tom Brady didn't reach out when Ocho got traded, but "he didn't have my number" [11:22]. Sometimes it’s just business logistics.

• Major Takeaway: Communication is ideal, especially at the superstar level, but being teammates doesn’t require deep friendship:

  "Just because you're teammates... you don't have to like each other. ...You're there to win a championship." – Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson [15:02]

Notable Quote

"A lack of communication can lead to a misunderstanding, man." – Joe Johnson [12:09]

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2. Team Chemistry in the Modern NBA

Timestamps: 17:12–24:03

• Does the team 'revolve around' Embiid?
  • Joe clarifies: It should revolve around playing the right way, not ego:

    "He can't be no ball stopper... but can you get in the flow of the game and not be a ball stopper where it gets all the guys out of sync?" – Joe Johnson [17:23]

• Concerns about Over-Passing: Sometimes, new 'superteams' over-pass to show they’re unselfish, which hurts flow:

  "I think sometimes they overpass the ball because they're trying to show... how unselfish they are. ...You're not playing really good basketball." – Unc [18:12]

• "Positional friendship" in pro sports: Relationships among teammates often stem from mutual roles, not deep, preexisting bonds.
• College vs. Pro Athlete Bonding:
  Hosts share stories of team recruitment, showing how both college and pro levels differ in forming relationships and team building.

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3. Anthony Edwards and the Timberwolves: MVP Loading?

Timestamps: 44:54–68:02

• Chris Finch (Wolves coach) says Ant is "engaged in a way like I’ve not seen."

  "Obviously the excitement of playing along Lamelo. ...He'll be far more... engaged in the overall sport." [44:54]

• Joe Johnson sees MVP potential if healthy:

  • LaMelo Ball’s unselfishness is a perfect match for Ant Man’s game:

    "Lamelo is so unselfish... He's gotta get [Ant Man] at least 8 to 10 easy points... It's gonna be so fun to watch because they're both so electric..." [45:35]

  • Minnesota now boasts a balanced attack—Ant Man, LaMelo, McDaniels, etc.
  • Rudy Gobert’s role as an anchoring big is highlighted—rebound, block shots, alter shots, not score-heavy.

• Locker Room and On-Court Chemistry Key:
  Joe notes synergy is about complementing skills—when bigs don’t pass (unlike Jokic or Shaq), the offense bogs down.

Notable Quote

"The most underrated attribute a cat can have in basketball is being able to pass the damn ball." – Joe Johnson [51:23]

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4. Superstar Preferences, Trade Rumors, and Miami Speculation

Timestamps: 53:11–56:51

• Ocho hints at inside info about superstar moves:
  • Predicts Giannis would come to Miami, hints at LeBron and possibly Klay rumors.

    "When I say something on here on Nightcap... I be in the room with the people that's making the moves." – Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson [56:23]

• Why Giannis chose Miami instead of Boston:
  • Boston didn't offer a third year; Miami did.

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5. Athletic Nostalgia: College & Pro Stories

Timestamps: 24:03–43:22

• Bonding with Old Teammates: Shannon reminisces about the legendary Savannah State Class of '86 ("86 in the house!") [25:22].
• College Experiences at HBCUs:
  • Importance of the HBCU homecoming, marching bands, and the unique energy and culture:

    "If you went to a PWI, every Black-- they're going to a PWI. You should have to spend one semester at an HBCU... it's amazing." – Unc [34:27]

  • Ocho’s "alternate reality" stories—training in Tallahassee just to catch FAMU band camp.
• Anecdotes about learning, grades, and college discipline—showing how personal journeys shape athlete worldviews.

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6. Football Crossover: Derrick Henry/Running Back Analysis

Timestamps: 57:04–62:10

• Derrick Henry’s playing style and physical dominance dissected.
  • Discussion on upright running, ball security, and longevity.
• Analogies between basketball fast breaks (Giannis) and running back lanes (Henry):

  "I gotta stop the ball. I gotta make Giannis pick up his dribble... at the free throw line it's too late." – Unc [57:17]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Communication and Team Dynamics:

  "A lack of communication can lead to a misunderstanding, man." – Joe Johnson [12:09]

• On Not Needing to Be Friends:

  "Just because you're teammates... you don't have to like each other." – Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson [15:02]

• On Passing in Basketball:

  "The most underrated attribute a cat can have in basketball is being able to pass the damn ball." – Joe Johnson [51:23]

• On Ant Man's Entertainment Value:

  "He is, you know, he's a pleasure to watch because at the end of the day... it's still about entertainment." – Unc [63:23]

• On Kareem’s Sky Hook:

  "Of all the things you see people do... Ain't one player ever... throw a hook shot from 18ft like Kareem." – Unc [64:29]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Jaylen Brown vs. Embiid Communication: 07:25–12:25
• Team Chemistry & Superstar Protocol: 17:12–24:03
• College/Pro bonding, HBCU stories: 24:03–43:22
• Anthony Edwards & Timberwolves Preview: 44:54–68:02
• Derrick Henry Analysis/Football Crossover: 57:04–62:10

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Conclusion

This Nightcap episode mixes NBA hot topics with charismatic storytelling, debating whether modern superstar chemistry is overrated or essential and speculating on the next era of Timberwolves basketball. The hosts’ unique blend of sports wisdom, candid admissions, and nostalgic storytelling offer listeners fresh perspectives on what creates winning teams—hint: it’s part communication, part talent, and part unexplainable magic.

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[Chris Finch]

JB was on a stream the other day and he reached out to Maxi, talked to Maxi, and he talked to vj But I don't think he hasn't spoken to Embiid yet. So. And you know, they had their thing in past years, you know, personal, you know, thing going on now. They're teammates. And I don't think there's been a conversation between the two, at least not to my knowledge. I haven't heard anything on it. So that's not a good sign because when you go into a new team and you go into a team that

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

gotta put that away.

[Chris Finch]

This is the mvp, like you've been the MVP for this team. Now I'm coming to join your team and we haven't had a conversation that's.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

I don't like it. Yeah, I don't like that.

[Chris Finch]

You know what I mean? Cause we all trying to, we're getting off to a fresh start. Joel, you're getting off to a fresher start, right? And now you add in another MVP along with the young boys that you

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

have to make things easier for you.

[Chris Finch]

To make things easier for you. And there hasn't been any communication as far as my knowledge.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Joe, this is your level of. Go ahead, Ocho.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey. Hey, Joe. I know you probably I'm from a football sense, you know, when new players are coming in, especially on new receivers that are veterans coming from other teams, especially when it's the off season, I don't put too much into it as far as the communication goes. Obviously most of the players are off right now. They're traveling there with families. I wouldn't put too much into it, Joe. And un. Maybe you guys may feel different about it. Even though a conversation needs to be had. Listen, welcome to the team. Maybe something like that. I think something a little bit more formal in person. You know, you guys see each other, but just saying, hey, welcome to the team as far as right now, especially why everyone's out doing their own thing is eh, it's, it's, it's eh, if I hear from you, it's okay. If I don't, I see when it's time to play ball and it matters most. But Joe, you might feel different.

[Joe Johnson]

I, I, I, I, I kind of agree with you, Ocho. I feel like, you know, if they did have anything, you know, riff raff between each other, that's water under the bridge. Now, fellas, maybe I have said some things and I still believe them to Be true. But, hell, we're on the same team now.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Is it water under the bridge?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I mean, man.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

I mean, Tyler Hero thought it was water under the bridge, too. He said that months ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, but, but what I'm saying. Hey, uncle, how's it doing?

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

That was a good one.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, but what I'm saying, listen, we're on the same team. Now, I may have said something about you flopping.

[Tab Ramos]

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[Joe Johnson]

You still do. I still think you're a hell of a player, but now that I'm here. Listen, man, let's come together, man. I. I ain't tripping. Maybe they have talked since that interview, but I'm like, ocho, Uncle. I don't really put a whole lot of stock into that, bro. I just feel like embiId knows what JB stands for. You, you know, what type of shape he gonna be in, you know the mindset he's gonna come with. You're gonna have to match their energy, partner. If y' all trying to do something in the Eastern Conference.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

What is. What is standard protocol? I'm not talking about the eighth man on the bench. I'm talking about a bonafide, a finals mvp, a Eastern Conference mvp, an all NBA selection, a multiple, multiple, multiple time all star. What is standard protocol of a guy that caliber going to a team and the best player from Santee or one of the best players from said team. What is normal protocol? Is it normal standard opera. Hey. Standard operating procedure. Sop. What is standard, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Oh. Oh, no, no, no. I ain't gonna sit here, act like it ain't normal. Now, normally, if you get a guy that caliber. Now, if you get a guy that caliber, the first thing you know, you hit and be, hey, bro, welcome to the squad.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Boom.

[Joe Johnson]

We about to make something shake, you feel me? We gotta be on the same page.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

We.

[Joe Johnson]

We gonna get together here soon. I know you going through blasey this, blase that, but. Yeah, it should have been already handled. But he talked to the young guns already, huh? Yeah, maybe.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

He probably. Let me ask you a question, Ocho. When you went. When you went to New England, did Tom reach out to you? Yes or no?

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

No. I saw him once I got to the. Once I got to the stadium because he didn't have. He didn't have my number, okay?

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, well, hell, he could have got that. He could. I mean, Belichick had it, so he could have got that.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah. And me and Bill, you know, me and Bill had a relationship long before I got there, right? Correct me and Bill Me was really close. And another thing, what if Embiid is still upset? And then B, swing on Jalen Brown when you get there.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, chill, bro. This ain't what Houston came to. You know what I mean? Listen, we had a little mishap. They see one thing about it, a lack of communication can lead to a real misunderstanding, fellas. You hear me? And that's what.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Joe, you ain't just gonna throw that out there like that. Let me write that down, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

I'll go ahead and. Take your time. Take your time. I'm gonna run it back for the people in here. I'm running back. I'm gonna run it back.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Use that in argument.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm gonna run it back. A lack of communication can lead to a misunderstanding, man. That's all it was. But hey, hey, hey, hey. Bam just had to get some straightening. Just get a little straightening.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, you feel. You see what I'm saying, Ocho? Hey, Chad. Y' all see how Joe circle back on that we hadn't left Bam and Tyler Hero long ago?

[Joe Johnson]

Now, look, look, I kind of. I kind of. I kind of feel Bam in a sense, you know what I mean? It's like, yes, Ocho been doing all that talking about me and think when he see me and J gonna be Kiki Ki. Hahaha. Yeah. Yeah.

[Glenn Washington]

Wow.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, Tyler Hero. Guitar Hero. Hey, Hogan's Hero. Pop five. One, two, three, four, five.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Take that with you.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Listen, Hero, man, that. That's. That's my dog, man. That's my homeboy. I'm sure there was a misunderstanding. He said some things that he probably thought weren't going to get out publicly, I'm sure.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Of course, he screenshot. It was from the dm. Somebody screwed. He tweeted that he. He did that in the dm, but somebody screenshotted it and sent it out.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

I'm sure. I'm not sure if he tried to apologize, knowing Tyler Hero the way I do. I'm sure he tried to apologize and probably Bam really wasn't going for it, and one thing led to another. I hope cooler heads have prevailed now. And they probably talked it out, and I'm sure Tyler Hero apologized, and Bam probably did the same thing. Listen, you move forward, we move forward and we play ball.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey,

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

that would be something that would be better ask of John, because I know that when they brought players to the team, I. I wasn't. I wouldn't call anybody. Ain't nobody. Look, I've always had two phones, and you Ain't getting the main line. That was for kids, you know, that was for very, very select. Select group of people. That being said, like I said, Joe, that would be something that you would. I mean, because quarterbacks, I'm sure you could. You hear, I've already talked. You know, when Joe burrow or you hear Patrick, mah. They already say, I've already talked to Patrick. I've already talked to Joe. I've already talked to Trav. I've already talked to this guy. So I just wanted to know what was standard operating procedure, because that's not something that I've been in. When we bring in players, you bring you. Hey, I'll see you when I get to a mini camp or training camp or something of that level. So that's why I'm asking you guys, because I've never. I me personally, I've never bringing in. I mean, I really. You never brought anybody I really knew. And at that point in time, it's kind of like today, guys, I understand. I'm a position friend. We're friends because the position I'm in. You're my friend because of the position you're in. The days of you got somebody, Ocho, that you grew up with in high school, Joe, you grew up with in high school, in college, we're what we call positional friends now. We're friends because of the position that we're in. See, let's not make it more complicated than what it is. We're teammates, Najo. We're teammates now, Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Let's not lose sight of that. Okay? So there, you know. Hey, that's my dog. Yeah, what up, dog?

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, and I'm glad you said that, too. Just because your teammates. Uncle Joe, you don't have to like each other. No, you're not there for a relationship. You there to win a championship or to do everything you can to win a championship. And everyone has to pull their own weight. That's all it is. Now, if we happen to be friends and build a relationship because we're happen to be on the same team.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Yes.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

All for it. That's. That's fine and dandy. And now, and to answer your question, now that I think about it, remember, I got traded to the Patriots real late, right before the season started.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Okay?

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Tom didn't have time to call me because when they got traded, I had to be in New England in 24 hours.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. Tom won't call. You know damn well you fall in line, you get these damn orders. I'm throwing the balls. Don't worry about it. Yeah, he was here, but he wasn't calling. You know damn way.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, Joe, let me tell you something. You get to New York, you gonna fall in line too, because I'm.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Damn. Hey, man, look here, man. Joe. I mean, Joe might change him. Joe might have a change of heart and bring his girl. Don't beat him up.

[Joe Johnson]

Come on, come on, come on. You gotta chill. You got chill.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, you might. You might be on to something because in order for him to go to Houston, I think he had to bring her here. So you know how it is when you want to go somewhere, you want to do nice things. You want to do nice things for

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

your girl, so she make you go. You see the league, you see what I get. We got. We got an official.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Okay, okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, chat, chat, chat. Y' all see, we can't even have a civil show.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Matter of fact, we might. We might want to get that laminated so it can't get.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Okay, okay. No problem. No problem whatsoever. We always try to be. We try to do things official. We don't ever won't think anything is shade tree or it's rigged. You know what I'm saying? I mean, hey, this is an official document.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm trying to see how in the hell we go from Jaylen Brown to my permission slip. That what I'm trying to see. That ain't no concern.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

It all coincides.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, listen, listen, listen, listen. Back to the Jalen Brown thing. Yes, I. I think what's understood really don't have to be explained. Honestly, fellas, meaning Embiid, I think he know everything revolves around him. Obviously, they still.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

No, I don't know. I don't. I. I don't think that's the case no more, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I'm saying when I say revolve around him, I'm meaning playing the right way because.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Okay, okay, yes, okay, I see what you're saying. He can't.

[Joe Johnson]

He can't be no ball stopper. When I say fall in line, meaning like, man, look, he gonna get 20 points because he that damn good. You know what I mean? But can you get in the floor of the game and not be a ball stopper to where it gets all the guys, you know, out of sync? You know, we want. We want to continue that chemistry and continuity that they kind of got going. We don't want to pull the reigns back. We want to continue to let them attack. Offensively held, JB, Emma, Max, they both averaged 29 a game this Past year? Yes. Y' all don't think they trying to build on that now? Listen, I, I, I understand that they all gonna have to sacrifice a little bit. I just don't want to see that wild, Helter skelter ass basketball, no rhyme or reason. Your turn. My turn. Type. I don't want to see that, man. I want to see these guys being Sink and Joel play the right way and make the game easy for everybody around, and that's what I want to see.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

But I also think, Joe, you know what happened? A lot of times they overpass the ball because everybody wants to show that they're sacrificing and everybody wants to show just how unselfish they are. And they're not there. They're like, I'm gonna show everybody they're, bro, take the shot. We're not saying, we're not saying take the obvious. We're not saying do the right, you know, do the obvious right thing. But I think sometimes they overpass the ball because they're trying to show you go out of their way to show that we're just, we're so unselfish. I ain't got no problem with him. I ain't got no problem. And you're not playing really good basketball. I still believe that you play fundamentally sound basketball, and guys know when to, when to do the right thing and when, when it's not the right thing. That's just me personally, but I really wanted to see what you thought about this, because this is your level. And like I said, normally it's probably the quarterbacks that normally reach out, because for the most part, that's generally the guy that's looked at as the CEO now, it'd have been very interesting, probably. I mean, if you went to, when Saquon was with the Giants and you know, they had some quarterbacks here, maybe they reached out to them, but maybe it was Saquon or maybe it was Jetta, you know what I'm saying? Maybe it was something like that. But I, I know, you know, when guys would go to Kansas City, they would always say, Patrick. They've talked to Patrick. They talk to Trav. And so I was always interested to see because I was, even though I was one of the leaders on the team, I would, you know, I was busy. I was, I work it out. Hey, and, and even like, Joe, did you, did you, did you take guys when you, when you were in college and they brought guys in, did you take them around campus? Did you take them on, show them on the official Visit.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, I wouldn't. They got. I, I, I was. I'm tell y' all something. When I was not, it wasn't that I was too quiet, man. I'd be too locked in. And I. I'm just not the typical guy when it comes to, like, showing guys a good time and all that, man. I ain't the dude for that. You hear me? Yeah. Hey, that ain't me because, well, on my visit, I know they cut up.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Damn, Joe, you ain't participate.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, man, I wouldn't. You know, I wasn't partaking in that uncle I want. Hey, look, let me tell y' all something, man. Before I went to college, I had a real plan. I can't be here no longer than two years, bro. No longer than two years. I got to get my ass out of here. Yeah. Hey, it wasn't no nil back then, okay? If I got a few million, you know, I could have brought Mama to college with me. She could have been cooking it up with me.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah. Yeah. She could have got a place right, right close by.

[Joe Johnson]

It was just gonna be a little pit stop. Hell, a little pit stop, but we're gonna go. Keep it on, you know, get back

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

on the road, keep on moving.

[Chris Finch]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Ocho, did you show people around, would you.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Where at?

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Oregon State. Well, you. Hell, you just got there.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

I was in school for two weeks. I went to one class. I went to my finer two class. I went to my finance class, Joe. And you know, I love theater and drama. Hey, hey, I ain't gonna nothing else you did.

[Joe Johnson]

You did just enough to get by, huh?

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

I did just enough that I know I'm used later on in life. You know, I'm dramatic. I love theater plays, you know, stuff like that. And finance. You know, I am when it comes to my finances, bro. I don't play.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

That's how I was. I mean, look, I did it well, like I said, I. I showed Ben Coates around one time, and I told him he shouldn't come there because they moved me to tight end and he gonna be on the bench.

[Joe Johnson]

You told. Oh, you. It was a guy in the same position as you.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah. Ben Coates that played with New England, that went to the Pro bowl. And me and him used to go to Pro Bowl.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

From South Carolina, he went to. He, he ended up going to Livingston, but he came to visit Savannah State. I was, I was. His. I was his host. So I. Hey, when I. That was the only. That was the first and the last time. So I Was like, man, I didn't know what position you play. I was a wide receiver.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

So, you know, and coaching, like, a lot of times, the top offensive players that were coming in, skill position players. Coach would have me, and I would only did it one time. So I guess he thought enough of coach that, okay, Coach, I do it. I said, my man, what position you play? He's like, man, I'm a tight end. I said, oh, okay. I say, what you. What? I mean, what you trying to do? He like, man, you know, it'll be big for me to start my freshman year. I said, don't come here. He said, why? I said, cause they moving me to tight end, and you can't beat me up. I was just honest. And guess what, Joe? The next year, I was All American Conference player of the year, offensive player of the year, all Conference and black college All American. So what do you think the chance was he's gonna beat me out?

[Joe Johnson]

It wasn't gonna. Hey, you kept it 100 with him, man.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

He went to Livingston, had a great career, got drafted by New England. And him and I used to go to the Pro bowl every year. If you was in the AFC from like 93 to 98, you weren't going to the promo. Not over me and him. Y' all had to say, the question was, who was gonna start, he or I? But you could. No, hell no. But I was honest with you. Coach David said, goddamn home. I can't let you take them. Take nobody else out. We ain't gonna get nobody. And then if. If I'm a wide receiver, I'm taking you on a recruiting visit. But co. But it got to the point Coach said, you're trying. You're gonna be the slot receiver. We already got our two receivers. It was me and Squirrel. We came in together. So I was two, he was three. Yeah, Coach like, hey, I'm an All American. Then the next year I come back, I'm conference, I'm offensive player of the year. I'm first team, all Conference. I'm again black college All American. I was the only sophomore on the black college All American team, right? All the black coaches, we was in Greensboro, North Carolina. Anybody that know the Sheridan Black College, but Sheridan Network, they have a black college All American just for hbcu. HBCU players.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

My coach, Coach Davis. Coach. Coach from Grambling, Robinson. Coach From Jackson State, W.C. gordon, Coach Willie Jeffries. All those coaches from gunslinger Archie Cooley. Coach Cooley, they sitting around now. Everybody else is juniors, because guess what? They got The. The black college All Star Game. So they, you know, they out there practicing. All the coaches come in. I'm already there because I'm a sophomore. Obviously, I can't practice with them because I'm not leaving college. And everybody was talking about this guy. Oh, man, Harvey Reed, who was the running back. He was player of the year. Black college player of the year. They talk about all these guys. Vincent Brown, they call him the Undertaker, Mississippi Valley. He said, man, this joker here gonna be good. Coach Davis said, look here, I don't mean to cut y' all off. He said, but I got the bad in here. And he a sophomore. He said, I tell you what, in five years, he be the bad. He gonna be the. He gonna be the bad. Whatever he play, he gonna be. He gonna be the baddest one. All y' all good. I'm sure. All them guys good. He said, but I got the baddest end here right now. And he a sophomore. He ain't lie.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. You still. You still talk to some of the players that played with you at Savannah State? Like, you still talking Bucket?

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Me and Bucket played together.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Well, what about Squirrels? About Squirrel? The one that went.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

I see Squirrel. I see. When I go back, Squirrel. We. We got what we call the 86 class. 86 is the best recruiting class in Savannah State history. Me, Squirrel, Big Daddy, Rough House, Dame yard. Couple of the guys have passed now. Dame has passed. Yard is passed, Coop. But we were the baddest. We were the baddest class. BMW, Mike Wallace. Yeah, we still. We still. We still keeping communication. And when I go back, which is not often, we get a call, 86. And when we see each other, we start hollering, 86. And we know who that is. 86. Yeah, we on the yard. They already know. 86 was in the house. 86 in the house.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Anybody went to Savannah State? Y' all know about 86.

[Joe Johnson]

Y' all should cut up on their yard in your man, huh? I already know it. I already know it.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

But look, for the most part, I don't know, maybe at North Carolina, Kentucky, the basketball teams, because those are basketball schools. Arkansas probably is a basketball school, but at foot, I. If you. If you go to a football school, Ocho. I'm just trying to figure out how anything can even come. Come close. Come close at Alabama, at Ohio State, at Michigan, at Penn State, Notre Dame. What is even close to the football team, guys? Georgia.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, nah. Yeah, Arkansas football school. You right. Nah, nah. Some boy. Hey.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Oh, yeah, but we. Yeah, we still, we, we plan. As a matter of fact, we plan. It's just so hard because everybody still is in Atlanta and in Savannah Ocho. And so they talk. They talk all the time. And a lot of times when they have homecoming, they'll FaceTime me. That's the only time I let them FaceTime. They're like, man, hey, Sean, what's going on, man? You need to beat out here? No, not with y' all drunk ass. I don't need to be down there. But no, it's, it's always great hearing from the guys. I invited Big Daddy, Squirrel, Pope and Bucket. They came to the hall of fame.

[Tab Ramos]

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[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

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[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

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[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

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[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

As a matter of fact, I paid for those guys to come in rough house. He asked Bucket to said, man, tell Sharp I want to come. I said, bro, I ain't. Hey, if he paid for his way, I got him a ticket into the game. So I mean to the, to the ceremony. So he paid for his own way because like I said, he's a part of that 86 class. And we were. We like this here. Yeah, we. I mean, you know, obviously, guys, we might. We fought against, you know, we. I didn't fight. But you're something they'll get. You know, we knuckle up. But boy, ain't nothing come between us. I guess it's us against everybody else. Yeah, we gonna fight.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, dab it up and be okay tomorrow. Don't you try that. Don't you try that in the yard now.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. I can imagine the stories them boys got, boy.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey.

[Joe Johnson]

Huh? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh, Freaky Shay over there.

[Glenn Washington]

It's so.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

It's so funny.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

I wasn't like that. Joe. Joe, I went to school. You know what I'm saying? I got to get a degree. I gotta get up out of here, man. Quarter sleeping for two reasons.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, that don't mean you ain't freaking. Cause you got to do all that. But I could.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, I only had four years to be there. I could be there. Freaking. Freaking would have kept me there an extra year or two.

[Joe Johnson]

No, no, no, no. You. You.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

I was gonna get out regardless. Because back then, somebody. Well, I don't know if they do it now, man. Black college ain't got no money to be red shirt nobody. You got to get up out of there. You got four years. You come out. You come in there at 18. I mean, 17, you getting out at 21, you coming at 18, you getting out of 22. Ain't no red shirt. Even if you hurt yourself, you getting up out of there, you got a year cut. Show.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, Joe. Every time. You know, when uncle and I first started, and sometimes he'll tell stories about, you know, some. Some of the things that happened at the hbcu. We had some. Some really good stories, man. We first started the show and, man, it just got. That just got me thinking, man. Obviously, I didn't have the opportunity because I was knucklehead and I took such a long route, you know, in the school system. And my love and my dream was to always attend Florida A M University.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Just to hear UNC talk about the HBU HBCU experience in general and being able to see my daughter cross at Prairie View A M

[Tab Ramos]

it.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Experience, that atmosphere, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Like I had to talk about my daughter crossing over. Joe. I was in tears, Joe. Yeah, Joe, I'm talking about in tears. And the atmosphere, it was. It was unbelievable. And I was only there for two hours, so I can imagine being able to have that experience for four years straight. If that small symbol, size.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Emotional joke.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Oh, see him go over to see the. AKA the Deltas.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

You know, obviously, the. The. The Fives, the frats.

[Joe Johnson]

Hold on, hold on.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

The Kappas, the Sigmas, the Alphas.

[Joe Johnson]

Hold on. They had all that. Well, Ocho was at. Didn't it?

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah. But it ain't nothing like hbcu. Not the pageantry.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Homecoming, Joe. That buzz, that atmosphere, that student center is buzzing. Everybody start to file. You know, the alumni start filing in on. Start coming in late Monday, Friday, by Friday, everybody there. They up on the yard, they talk. Hey, Sean. Hey. What you got for a shot? Oh, you already know. I'm gonna put it down for you now.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

You came back to see o' Shea do it. Yeah, I got you. Yeah, I got you. I'm gonna do what I do.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, Joe. I had the opportunity to go with my daughter senior year. I had the opportunity to go to Prayer View homecoming her senior year.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, Joe.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

I ain't never seen nothing like it, Joe. Yeah, I ain't never seen nothing like it. And every time FAMU has their homecoming, my. You know what? I gotta work. I'm always working on that Saturday. I've never had opportunity to go.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

It's. It's amazing. And I. And that's what I tell people. If you went to a pwi, every black. They're going to a pwi. You should have to spend one semester at an hbcu. And you want it to be the fall. You want it to be the fall, because in the fall, you. You're going to get a little bit of everything. You're going to get all the football season, and you're going to get a couple of basketball games.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

You know, our football team, we was called the Suit Coat, the Suit Coat Crew. So we come in there, all football players. We have a suit coat on.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

And we got a roll of toilet paper. As soon as our team score, we throw the toilet paper on the floor. They have to stop the game. They started controlling text on the joke.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

And so now the player, they get. They getting hyped and sharp. You, y' all coming? We got you. We got you. Just. Hey, don't matter. We scope first or not. As soon as we go about 40 rolls of toilet paper. Now you gonna mess up the dorm. Cause, hey, we only had so much toilet paper in there. We have steal toilet paper from the student center, but that's all right. But the team, we had a great chemistry. We had a great foundation. We got. We got along for the most part. Cause Peacock, basketball, football, and a few baseball players, but mainly it was football and basketball players that stayed in Peacock. Most of the baseball players stayed down there at. At Boston. But we. We were close. We were close.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Oh, man, I wish I had the opportunity to get that experience where.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, ain't nothing like it.

[Joe Johnson]

College. Hey, college was fun, bro.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah. I'm just glad I went when I went. Yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't, Joe. We couldn't, Joe. Well, you could, Joe. Ocho and I couldn't make it in social media era. Not in college. Oh, not in college.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey,

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

no, not me. Yeah, not me. Yeah, you got to realize, Joe, I had a brother in the NFL my junior and senior year.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you're gonna be cutting up. You're gonna be cutting up, bro.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

I had a 300ZX with T tops. I got a Mercedes. My CGI had a Mercedes. A 300E, big body.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, boy ain't passing up no hoo. Ha. He got he. Yeah, I already know it.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

And you know you young then, man. Hey, I had to hire me a hostage negotiator to talk him down. He'd be up about five or six hours. I had to talk him down. Hey, hey, you've done all you could do, Mr. Sharp. You can. Come on. Hey, you can ease down now.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, you guys

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

had a hostage negotiator to talk him down. Savannah pd. Hey, ask about me.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, Joe. Oh, Joe. What's wrong with your man, bro?

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, listen, but let me. Let me. Let me tell you how bad I had it, right? I wanted to. Never had the opportunity. Went to Oregon State, obviously, a great time. It was a short four, four month stint for me at Oregon State. But I love FAMU so much, Joe. And I was a knucklehead in school, Joe. I graduated high school late. I didn't apply myself. Small, but I didn't apply myself. Yeah, I love FAMU so much, even after I made it to the NFL. You know how I'm about music. I love the band. I always been a fan of the band from 2002 to 2008. I'm not sure how many people in the chat went to FAMU or maybe played in the band, but I'm sure you heard the stories. Every off season, I did my training in Tallahassee just so I could see band camp, Joe. Just so I could see band camp, man. Dr. White, I don't. I'm not. Dr. White's not there anymore. Right now the. The band director is Dr. Shelby Chipman. They saw. Hey, Joe. Every off season I'm in Tallahassee at bay. I go train in the morning and sit there, watch band camp.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Did you ever play instrument?

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. You know, Joe, I play piano and alto saxophone. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

I love. And just. I couldn't go there, so that. That gave me my sense of peace.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

It's being able to see band camp during the off season and getting my training done in the morning and. And go watch them boys, man.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

That's. Yeah, because by the time you got there. Because when I came out Prop 48 had just been instituted the year I graduated because of what happened at the University of Georgia. So that made it work. That made it so everybody was up under. You had to make at least 700 or you had to sit out your freshman year. So the only place I really could go was D2 or HBCU. So that's why I ended up going to Savannah State because I was one of the top recruits coming out. But my grades, like I tell people all the time, Joe, I couldn't have got in prison with my grades. Hey, I ain't been hold nobody. I ain't gonna hold nobody. I'm not, I, I what like I am now that have acquired knowledge and wanted to learn. I had no interest in that when I was in high school because you have to understand, I was so much better than everybody else in my school. Yeah, I was so much better of a basketball player. So much better as a football player. Especially my senior year. It was close. My junior year, my junior year we had a guy end up going to Georgia Tech named Alfonso Thomas. He probably was the best player. I probably was the second best player my senior year wasn't even, no question. Basketball, I best player, track, I was the best. I was the best at what I did. So, hey, I ain't seen no reason, what you call them go to do no do no school work.

[Joe Johnson]

They came from being, they came from being out there in them fields.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, the chat, the chat. Making fun of me, talking about I laugh so much. Hey, so much. But the foot. Hey, chat, do me a favor. Those that think I'm lying, look at my Instagram, look at my picture that's on my Instagram. That, that, that, that, that, that you should look, look at my picture. That's my Instagram. What you call it? Your bio, Your bio.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah, your biopic.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah, look at my biopic.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

What about it?

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

I mean, because they talk about, oh, I'm live by my fam, my love for fam. You and the band.

[Tab Ramos]

This is Tab Ramos from inside American Soccer. And this summer, topgolf is turning into the ultimate soccer destination. They're not just throwing games on in the background. Topgolf is going all in on soccer. They've got a new soccer themed game you can play with your group. Special in venue activations, exclusive food and drink items inspired by the global game. And at more than 60 locations, they've even installed full size soccer goals. So you can try to hit golf balls right into the net. And every match all summer long will be on throughout the venue, so it's a great place to watch with friends, hang out, compete a little bit and enjoy the atmosphere. And if you want to keep the fun going all summer, you can get the topgolf Summer Fun Pass, which lets you play every single day and bring up to five guests every visit. Get yours [e-mail] FunPass Summer hits different

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

at TopGolf when you're moving like I do, trips don't always come together weeks in advance. Sometimes production shoots, interviews or something I've got to travel for on a short notice. Like the time when I had the last minute trip to Denver and everything came together fast. Once it was locked in, I had to be ready to go. That's where Amazon prime can make a difference. When something comes together quickly, you can get what you need like grooming essentials, neck pillow, eye mask, even snacks for the flights so you're ready to show up for it with same day delivery. All those items show up on time and still make the trip so you can show up and focus on why you're there and and not everything around it. Because at that point it's not just about getting there, it's about making the most of the opportunity in front of you. That's what I like about Prime. It makes easy to say yes when the moment shows up. Same day delivery, it's on prime available in select areas. Terms apply. Visit Amazon.comprime to find millions of items delivered fast.

[Glenn Washington]

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[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Joe Timberwolves head coach Chris Finch put the league on notice saying Anthony Edwards will be a cold blooded scorer with the addition of Lamelo Ball. He's engaged in a way like I've not seen and I think there's a combination of factors. Obviously the excitement of playing along Lamelo. I think it's also maturation and recognizing what the team needs, where the team's at. He'll be far more like I think I'm just engaged in the overall sport. He's looking, he's watching. He maybe didn't have the confidence to express some of his thoughts before and now he's just way more communicative and it's fun. Joe hey, can we see Ant man seriously in the discussion as an mvp?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I think. I think it can definitely happen. Obviously health plays a big factor, Uncle Ocho, but when you look at Lamelo Ball and Ant man, their games compliment one another. Lamelo is so unselfish. He made guys around him better. He has a natural feel, a natural great feel for the game. Like when you watch a cat play, bro, like his it ain't necessarily about him coming out scoring 30, 40 points a night. It's his natural feel of the game, knowing how to pass when the pass, you know, seeing plays happen before they really even happen. And Lamelo was like that, bro. He. Hell if I ain't mistaken, Uncle Ocho, I think he led the league. And as far as usage rate, making guys around him better, it's some stat they would I seen. But okay, I think he's definitely gonna make the game a lot easier for Ant man offensively because he knows and understands. Listen, okay, boom. This our horse. I definitely got to get him going. I got to get him at least 8 to 10 easy points to where he don't even have to fight and work hard, you know what I mean? And then it's going to be nights where he probably going to have 14, 15 damn assists, but then they're going to be some other nights where he going to have an efficient 22, 25 points. He'll lead him in school, you know what I mean? I just feel like they compliment one another and it's gonna be so fun to watch because they're both so electric, box office and can play, bro. They both got something to prove. Lamello gonna have a chip on his shoulder, you know what I mean? This. This gonna be good for the game.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

And you look at it, Joe, he's got a guy. Not only can he facilitate, now here's the Lamelo is going to be the best scorer that he's played with since Cat. And he's playing with a guy that's a little more flamboyant as far as passing the ball than Mike Conley. He could score better than Mike Conley. They. They're kind of saying Mike Conley could facilitate. But Mike Conley wasn't the score that Lamelo is. Yeah, and nobody said so. Now you got him and you got McDaniels coming on into his own. So now you just can't gang up on Ant Man. You've got to pay these other guys some attention. And so it's going to be very, very interesting to watch. I can't wait to see it play. I can't wait to see him go at it. Because ant man is so fun to watch. I've never seen a guy because normally most guys be taking it serious. They don't really. Ant man will engage with fans on the sideline.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

He like, oh, you're like, man, oh, hey, I gotta work out. I'll be big like you. I said, I don't know about that. Ed, he said, oh, no, no, no, no.

[Joe Johnson]

This is.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

This is a lot of not eating and a lot of working out.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. It's good that he know his body because, you know, some. Some of us know. You know, we know, but we can't afford no.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

No bad week or two here.

[Joe Johnson]

We've been picked up 10. Hey, but I. I think Minnesota, okay, Ocho, I think they're going to lean heavily on McDaniel, really making a huge jump, you know, this upcoming season, because they're going to be perimeter dominant and they going to need guys to really be able to score points and be effective on both ends of the court. And they got a number of cats who can do that, bro. So do you.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

They got offensive firepower. You look at the Somo, you look at Shannon, you look at Lamelo, you look at Ant. Like you said, if McDaniels take that next step, offensively, they got four or five guys that we know on a given. Well, we know Ant man can get 30, 40, but the other guys. And we've seen mellow get 40, but those other guys can get you a solid 20. Easy.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, easy. They got.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

They got. And so now we got you. You got your anchor with Rudy. Rudy gonna get. Rudy's gonna be. Rudy. Just give me a double. Double Rudy. Anything over eight points, we'll graciously accept, but we need you to be somewhere around 11, 12, 13 rebounds a game, around two, three block shots a game with some intimidation factor, because even though you don't block it, you alter it so much, they're not even close to making it.

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

You have Ant man going to be Ant Man. I'm counting on him being that. But I agree with you, Joe. I think they're going to be. I think they're going to be a very fun team. You know, they moved on from Drew Randall. They. They felt like he was clogging it up and. And wasn't. This is me. Nobody's told me this, but, like, I don't really think he ever really fit with what they were trying to do, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Right, right. Yeah, I understand. You know, I think what happened, especially in the playoffs, they tried to play through Randall and it just didn't work. You know, obviously, Ant man was hurt. He was hobbled. Hell, he even came off the bench the first, I think, game or two. Yes. It just didn't happen for him. You're right. The games don't complement each other because he's just not a. He can catch and shoot and make a three, but he ain't no damn catch and shoot three, you know what I mean? Like, he a guy you kind of got to play through in order for him to be effective, you know what I mean? You got to drop him the block, drop him the ball in the mid post and let him work a little bit, you know what I mean? And they just. It's kind of like force feeding. So I just think they're really thinking back, you know, Obviously with them getting rid of Cat and him going to win a title. Hell, man. Hey, hey, things happen, bro. Move on, you know what I mean? Like, we.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

I think the thing also, Ocho and Joe, is that because Julius Randall is not a great passer. He doesn't do a really great job of passing when the double team comes and he doesn't have a signature move. So now he's got to take 15 dribbles just to get within a couple of feet of the basket to try to bull his way to the basket up and under you. Well, man. So why you doing all that? I'm just standing around watching Joe. Hey, I. Hey, Joe, I'm like this. I'm ready. Hey, what you gonna do for me now? Come on now. Shoot it to me. I'm ready. Like. Well, damn. Hey, he like a. He like a dump truck, a sanitation truck. Beep, beep, beep, beep. Well, damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, you.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Now you pass me the ball with four seconds and wonder why I rushed up a shot. And now you killing my shooting percentage. Because you rushed me a shot. You gave me the ball 30ft out.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Duncan Ocho, the most underrated attribute a cat can have in basketball is being able to pass the damn ball right, man, I'm talking about. That's the most underrated attribute. Because if you got a guy who can really pass, especially your bigs, man, they can make the game a lot easier for everybody. But if you got somebody, man, who can't pass, it's hard, bro. It makes the game a lot harder, you know what I mean? So I understand what Unc saying, you know, as far as Drew Randall not being a. A great passer, man, you gotta have. If your bigs can pass the ball, man, your offense can run real smooth, bro.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Why you think Jokic is so dominant? Oh, man, why you think Yogic is so dominant?

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

He could pass his ass off like. Like a damn point guard.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Yes, yes. That's why Biggs that can pass out of the double team now, because guess what? I pass out of the double team. Akeem Olajuwon, he was Passing a Kenny Smith. Jet and Vern Mad Max were getting wide open. Threes. Ori getting wide open. Look threes. Sam Cassell getting wide open. Look, threes. And now when you come to Dober team, I dumped the ball down to Otis Thorpe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Or I got Clyde Slack knife into the basket.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Boom.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

So when you get a guy like that, Shaq with Kobe, you look at, go look at Shaq. Now, he's not a 6, 7 assist guy, but Shaq knew Kobe coming. Slash and diving. He dump it off to him. Kobe dunking the ball, or he's got Robert or he got Rick Fox. He got Fish knocking down three. So when you got guys like that, it's hard. You got the double shot, you ain't got no choice.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Even though you know they got shooters out there.

[Joe Johnson]

Look.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, that's a three point shot. But Shaq gonna dunk your big in the basket if you don't double him every time.

[Joe Johnson]

Every time.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

And think about that. You see what y' all just said, right?

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Shaq is how dominant Shaq is.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Yes.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

And I think about that five we got down there in Miami, huh? Think about that. Think about that.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Gonna ever be another one.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

I'm not saying he is Shaq. I'm just saying with teams are going to have to double team him, huh? And we got. And we got the King coming over there, too, right? We got the King coming over there where he's had to carry the crown, carry the team on the shoulder. Stay with me, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Let me finish that, all right?

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

He's had to carry the weight of the shoulders all his career. Now he want to sit back, kick back, and relax and let everybody else do the heavy lifting. Guess what? He could do that at, Joe.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Where you can do that at, Ojo?

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Well, he could do that down in Dade county, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Ocho. Ocho. Giannis, you really don't have to double Yanis. You just got to build that damn

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

wall and build a wall. Yeah, I'm not done. Because he don't have a signature move, Ojo. O, he, he ain't got like a midi. He ain't got no turnaround. I, I, I, I'll, I'll give him that all day. I just got to keep him. I got to keep him out of the paint. That's what you. As long as I ain't letting him do this or dunking the ball on me.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

You heard what you just said?

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Yes.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

I got to keep him out the pain. Who in the hell has succeeded on keeping him out the paint?

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Build that wall. The team that beat his ass in the playoffs, when I can just focus on him.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Well, he by himself. You can't just focus on him now.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, I'm just not gonna let him get 30, 15, and 7.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Well, Bam gonna give you 83.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Okay, well, let Bam give us 83.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, real talk, though. Like Giannis getting a rebound. That's when he had his deadliest. When Giannis. When Giannis get the rebound. Ooh, I feel like he's at his deadliest because, you know, he can attack. It's a fast break right away. So what teams have to do is you have to build that wall, meaning you gotta have at least two, three sets of eyes on him. And y' all in close proximity, so he ain't got no lanes he can kind of get into and get in the teeth of your defense and. Cause all kind of hell. Cause once he do that, you let him get in there. Hell, now he Nerf hoop dunking it, spraying out for three. It's just too many options. You know what I mean? But I think I. I think they gonna be a hell of a team. I think they gonna be greedy defensively, which is gonna fuel their offense. Yeah. Hey, Ocho. Ocho, real talk. If y' all get LeBron, what a thing gonna be turned up to the max over there, boy.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, Joe, you ain't got to tell me, because you. You understand that expert analysis you just gave me?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

What you think, LeBron? Thinking LeBron? No. Where can I go? Why I don't have to shoulder the burden. What is going to be the easiest route for me not to just play? Yeah. We heard Rich Paul say. Oh, it's not about the money. Oh, it's not about getting a ring. The hell you say. Yes, it is. I want my best chances. I want to maximize the end of the road as much as I can, and this is the best fit. I understood that, which is why I've been saying everything I've said. How you think I knew Giannis was coming to Miami? What did I say on the show? Long time ago. Long time ago. Before anybody. Oh, yeah. Giannis out here looking for houses. I mean, I ain't just throw that out to just be throwing out there. And then we got the reports today. Huh? You saw the reports about Clay?

[Joe Johnson]

What?

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, I saw that.

[Joe Johnson]

I saw that.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, listen, when I say something on here on Nightcap, I know y' all think I'd be lying. I got. And I don't even need sources because I'd be in the room with the people that's making the moves.

[Joe Johnson]

What you said, bro?

[Tab Ramos]

Huh?

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Well, what you say? You got really lucky because had Boston given that third year that Giannis wanted, y', all this would have been in Boston.

[Glenn Washington]

They.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

You must have knew Boston was gonna give him that third year.

[Tab Ramos]

Oh, no.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Oh, I know what I'm talking about, man. You.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

You know, they w. Go in that third year. But y. You said something very interesting before I was leaving. You say Yan is getting the ball on the re. Defensive rebound and pushing it. It's like a running back. Oo what we make. What we say about Derrick Henry. We got to make him check his feet.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, you got.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

If I let. If I just toss him the ball and let him run and then come downhill, I gotta make him check his feet. I gotta make. I gotta stop the ball. I gotta make Giannis pick up his dribble.

[Chris Finch]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

And I ain't talking about it. The damn free throw line because it's too late. You let it pick up the dribble up of the free throw line. He had the basket. He dunking it or you following it?

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, the best thing you could do, make him go east and west. Joe.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Yes. I gotta stop the ball. I got him.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

That goddamn Derek. Hey, that goddamn Derrick Henry. Joe. Joe. He weigh about as much as you. He by. He's 6:3. And he get ahead of steam. Once he get past that, the line. Boy, I'm making a business decision.

[Chris Finch]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Ain't nothing you can do.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

I'm a tackle his shoe. That's it. I'm going after his shoe.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

As a returner, we'll say, hey, the first guy down to the gunner, you got to throw. You got to make him do. You just can't let him. Because when they just hit it on the move, yeah, it's too much. You got to make him. You got to make him check his feet. But I told Ocho. Ocho when they first got there, what I told him to do. I said, man, y' all put him in an offset. He's not an offset back. He's not Jameer Gibbs. He's not Christian McCaffrey. Put that man heels at 8 yards and toss him the damn ball.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

He's an old school back, huh? He.

[Chris Finch]

Oh, he.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

He's an old school ibag, Joe. Hey, he want to be out there, and you can put a fullback in front of him, and you can let the fullback slide however you want to, but he wants you to hand it to him or toss it to him. But he can't do. He's not. He's too long. He's a long strider. So as a long strider, you put him in offset. One step, two steps. He had to line.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, hey, but how you ain't shifted like. He ain't shifted like Gibbs. He ain't shifted like, like, like a Christian McCaffrey. No, he's not. He doesn't have shape like that like a James Cook. Those guys can operate in an offset position, but not him, he's too big. Hey, as they see. I told you.

[Joe Johnson]

How is he. How is he that big though with that type of breakaway speed? Cuz it's like once he get through that, if he can get through there, it's like a no damn catching him.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

N. He throw that head back.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

He. He throw the head back like we did back in the country. He throw that head back, it's over if we ever throw that head back.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

No, he's strong, Joe.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Oh yeah, damn.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

I'm not talking about this strong. I'm talking about when it. When he running. He in that open field. Yeah, you strong boy.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Steve. People missed on him. He went in the second round because of his style. You gotta look at Joe and Ocho. Yeah, he had the most yard, he has the most rush yards in high school football history. He broke Ken Hall's record of Sugar Land, Texas, that still for like 50 years he broke that record. Now he goes to Alabama. He's not there long, but look at the carries. And he had what we call an upright running style, which is a big target. He's a big man, providing you a big target to hit. So everybody says ain't no way he's gonna be able to last long. He's got 2,000, 3,000 carries in high school, he's got another 2,000 carries in college. And so he might at best got four, five years. And here he is, if I'm not mistaken, going to year 10, go year 11 and have a chance to be the all time leading rusher. He has a chance outside chance to catch Emmett Smith and Ladanian Thomas as far as touchdowns from a running back. So he surprised a lot of people because of his running style is not conducive for someone because he's a guy that runs the contact. He's a collision back. Hey, if you notice now, if you. If he out there in the open and you see, you go. Because I gotta tackle him low, Ocho. I ain't gonna hit him in his damn chest. You a fool.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Absolutely not. And get right.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

I'm going low, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. I noticed that this year too, this past season, because he dealt with them damn fumbles. Because guys, hey, that guys was like, damn, taking this contact. I'm gonna strip this damn ball.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And now I put that in the back of his mind. So now he can't run aggressively as he normally would because he's thinking about securing the football. You're at your best when you're just free. Ocho's just running his ride. He running that speed out. Ocho, that left foot gonna hit at 10. He gonna throw it to. He gonna roll. Hey, he knows when he comes out of that break. One, two. That ball A. He already know I'm hit at 10. I'm a roll to 12. Hey, when that right foot hit on that dig route and I'm on the right side, I'm driving back downhill. I already know that. But I can't be thinking about because what happens is it souls doubt. You have a couple of drops. Now all of a sudden you apprehensive. You tried to body cat. You tried to buy you a. You ain't fluid. You trying to body catch a joke.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

You running with the football. You like you got both hands around it. You can't. You can't. How you juking somebody like that? You need to have the ball.

[Joe Johnson]

Ah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

So they put doubt in his mind because he had those fumbles last year, especially against Buffalo.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, remember what I said on the show, Unc. He fumbled because he got them. What? On his arms.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Oh, those sleeves.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Sleeves. Next game, sleeves was gone, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

You got. You got to be able to fall, feel that ball on your skin. When you wear them long sleeves, you know, like. Like the hoop as well.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

You can't feel the ball. You got to be able to feel that ball.

[Chris Finch]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Somebody punch it the right way. You got to have that skin. Skin the leather on. You got to have that skin to leather contact.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

But I like considering that Minnesota has knocked Denver out a couple of years of the playoffs and with really just aunt now, Jade McDaniels has been out of his mind. I don't know what it is about the Nuggets, Joe. And then they found something in this disamo. They found something in those guys. But I don't know what it is about the Nuggets that he loves playing against the Nuggets. He get a. And he gives a Murray a fit.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, that's. That's. That's why he plays well. Let me tell you something. When you got a, a guy who's known for defense and he can score, he's a pretty good offensive guy too. See him having the guard Murray, it fuels his offense because you know, you play good defense, you're in good spirits, so you playing the right way, boom. That ball find you, you know, now you're able to make plays offensively, but defensively he's so engaged that, you know, it kind of fuels his offense and kind of gets him going to the point to where he, damn it, he looks so good. Against the Nuggets, I'm like, I don't think the Nuggets want to see the Timberwolves no damn more, dog.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

He's like, I need to see, I need to see the Nuggets about 40, 50 games. I'm an all star game against them for sure. But that's just that, that's, that's how, that's how it rolls out. But I'm anxious to see Ant Man. He is, he is, you know, he's a pleasure to watch because at the end of the day, I don't give a damn the sport. It's still about entertainment. Oo yeah. You go to sport, you go to a sporting events to what? To be entertained?

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Let me ask you a question. If Jordan just laid the ball up, were you gonna be just entertained? It was that tongue hanging out he sideways.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

It was Magic Johnson doing this.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, that part, yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

That's why Biggs, that's why it's hard to resonate with Biggs unless you like Shaq breaking down the backboard. Everybody talking about the most unstoppable shot that's ever been created in basketball is what?

[Joe Johnson]

The hook.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

That sky hook. Sky hook. And don't nobody get Kareem credit. Man, ain't nobody want to see that.

[Joe Johnson]

Ain't nobody even practicing that no more.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Ain't nobody practice. Of all the things you see people do, the thing, the finger roll, George German and Doc Fanga roll, you see them hang in the air. They even tried to copy Steph Curry shooting the ball from distance. Ain't no, not one player have ever. You when the last time you seen somebody throw a hook shot from 18ft like, like Kareem.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, that's a hard ass shot though, Uncle O. I ain't going to lie to you.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, that's probably why they don't want to do it. It, it would take long to perfect something like that too.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Kareem say you, how long you think he took him to work on that. He said, you make it seem like he just came in the league he been working on his whole career.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

And so.

[Chris Finch]

And.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

And that's the thing. Jordan's not Jordan. If he wasn't entertaining, he understood the entertainment value of it.

[Joe Johnson]

Right? Yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

When he started flying through the air, dunking on everybody with spraying his legs.

[Joe Johnson]

Huh? You already know how the logo go, man.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Stop playing the jump, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

I mean, hey, he dunking on everybody in the game. And when he came out there with that tongue hanging out, I said, man, you gonna bite your damn tongue off?

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

I'm surprised. I'm surprised. He didn't have any issues. We got somebody hit him out there or hit him while his tongue was out.

[Joe Johnson]

What kind of issues?

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Well, if. If the Knicks didn't do it and the Heat didn't do it and the Pistons. What? Nobody else gonna do it because they were the most physical.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, but don't sleep on the Boston Celtics now. People don't. People don't look at. Because they look at Mikhail and they look at Parish and they look at Bird. They don't think they were physical, but. Shh.

[Joe Johnson]

They had a super team.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Everybody, all of them have two. The Lakers and the Celtics had a super team, but super teams are okay, Joe, if you build it. That's what I. That's what I learned to notice.

[Chris Finch]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

As long as you build it. But you do realize the Celtics did not draft Robert Parrish. They traded him for Joe Barry Cowell in the right to the number one pick. So they trade. That's how they got Kevin McHale and Robert Parrish.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

They didn't draft Dennis Johnson. They didn't draft Nate Archibald. A lot of the players that they got, they didn't draft. But that's okay. That was before he went back then. And look at the Lakers. They didn't draft Kareem. They drafted Magic. They didn't draft Bob McAdoo. But look, if I like you, I'll make excuses. You know what I'm saying? Ocho, I like what you do. If I don't. I don't give a damn what you do. You can find a cure for cancer. Screw you. You ain't. You ain't cured diabetes. Oh, man, you find a cure for cancer, but you ain't cure diabetes. What you gonna do about that, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

Come on. Come on.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

If you so good at medicine. But you know how I go. But no, I. I think this is. I ant. Man, you come trying to say the close he gonna come is to the Lakers or the Clippers. I got to go see him. I got to hit up. Hey, T. Lou, I know you watch it. Cause you watch all the time. I'mma come see Ant man play when they come. When they go play the Clippers. Yeah, I, I think I want what I will. I will hit his ass up.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Minnesota gonna be fun to watch this year.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Joe Johnson]

They gonna be fun to watch. They still gonna. I still think they gonna be a top. They're gonna be a top five team in the East. I mean west. Top five.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

Sure. Yeah, for sure. And if ants stay healthy, they might. It might be top four.

[Joe Johnson]

Could be. Could be.

[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

If you can stay healthy.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

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[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

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[Glenn Washington]

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[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

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[Unc (Host/Analyst)]

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