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Nightcap - Hour 1: Joe Burrow not enough, Patrick Mahomes poor play, Lamar struggles vs. Steelers
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Even after an outstanding performance by Joe Burrow and his wide receivers, it was not enough as the Chargers hold on and went at home 34 to 27. Again, thank you for joining us for an episode of Nightcap. I am your favorite on Shannon Sharp that guy right there is your favorite Liberty City native. He's a Bingo Ring of Fame honoree. He's a pro bowler. He's an all pro. That's Chad Ocho, Cinco Johnson. Just call him Ocho. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit that like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you. We appreciate you. We adore you for all your continued support. Thank you so very, very much. Please make sure you check out Shade by laportier. We do have it in stock knowing that the holidays was right around the corner and we want you to have a very festive holiday season. Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's are right around the corner. What better way to celebrate than with Shade by laportier. And another thing, please drink responsibly. Go follow my media company page on all its platforms that Shame Media and my clothing company 84 with 84 being spelled out, we had releases that dropped last week. I was hell when I was well I lied for you before I lied to you in a T shirt form black nightcap hoodies. And we had state. We added Stay with me now to the hoodies. Our best sellers are the unknown Ocho tees and we've added a new color. We added it in black so this quantities are limited. So please make sure you grab yours while supplies last. Ocho As I mentioned earlier, the chargers won their fourth straight game by defeating the Bengals 34 to 27. JK Dobbins broke ran a touchdown in late. I'm not so sure if they tried to stop him or they let him score wanting to get the ball back with an opportunity to do what they did at the end of the game. Ocho which is throw the ball into the end zone with a chance to tie the game or go for two and win the game. But it was batted down at the end. Joe Burrow 356 yards, three touchdowns. He was 28 of 50. 356 zero touch. Three touchdowns, zero interception. He was sacked three times and they ran the ball decent. Ocho 25 attempt for 110 yards, but they ran what, 70 more 70 plays to like 58. They ran substantially more plays, had time of possession was in their favor. But the thing that I hate so much for Joey B. Is that he knows he's got to score touchdowns. Yeah, give his defense credit, Ocho. For the most part in the second half they held him to three points until that final drive in which they gave up a touchdown And I'm not so sure. They didn't let him score because they wanted time on the clock. Didn't want them to bleed the clock down, kick a walk off field goal without Joe Burrow having an opportunity to touch the football. But the defense played better in the second half. Yeah, but it's hard to spot teams, Ocho, 21 points in this league and then track them down. But to Bengals credit, they tried to come back and make a ball game. Ocho, you're up against it now. You're really up against the gun right now with the 4 and 7 record. And you still have two games against the Steelers and the Steelers. And the Steelers are better, Are much better than we previously thought, Ocho. But this game right here, the Chargers 34, the Bengals 27. Ocho, what did you like and what didn't you like?
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Chad Johnson
I mean, what I didn't like is that I didn't like the first half. I don't. I don't like the fact that we're still starting the same way we've been starting since week one. Uncle. We start slow, we allow ourselves to put ourselves in a goddamn hole and have to climb out of that hole because our offense is somewhat of a juggernaut. If we are good as we are. If we are good as we are in the second half of football game, defense and defense, obviously they did what they needed to do in the second half. They give us the opportunity to come back in the game and do what we need to do to make it a competitive. Make it a competitive game and at some point, maybe take the lead or maybe tie the game. But in the first half, when we get down into the red zone, Unk the field goals is killing us, baby.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
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Chad Johnson
Unk the fear. The field goals is killing us, man. And I'm looking at the TV understanding now, when we get into the red area anywhere, anywhere from the 20 on in, we have to find a way to put the ball in the end zone.
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Shannon Sharpe
We have to.
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Chad Johnson
The defense is struggling to find a way to stop the goddamn Chargers in the first half. Yeah, I'm not sure what adjustments Lou made in the second half where it gave us opportunity. Defensively, we were able to stop him and hold him to three points, but we were able to come back and make it a goddamn game. But at that point, you know, it's not. It's. What's the word I'm looking for? Nut cutting time, A nut crunching time. And we weren't able to get it. And it's too late. We have to start the fucking games a lot faster, you do know, than not to put ourselves in the goddamn hole where everything in the second half has to be that much goddamn perfect.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, and that's the thing with the office.
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Chad Johnson
With the office we have. There's no goddamn reason, man, to be able to spot a team 21 points and be able to come back in a game when you really shouldn't be able to. If you spot a team 21 points, ain't no way in hell you should be able to come back. Even. Even if the momentum. You said always it's about how much you extend and how much grace you give yourself or you give a team. If you got a 21, 21 point lead, chances of coming back, it should be goddamn slim. But we do have an offense where you can do it and make it happen. But we got to start fast. It's killing me, man. The defense is up and down. It's so inconsistent offensively. Start so goddamn slow. We do get in the red area, we don't get six points, we get three points and it's killing us.
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Shannon Sharpe
That's, that's, that's, that's really the issue. And people keep saying, and Joe is playing well, but he's got to get the ball in the end zone, considering how poorly your defense has been playing, because they're, they're second to last in red zone touchdown possession. They're giving up 72% of the drives. When they team get the ball in the red zone, they get the ball in the end zone. Yeah, I don't know. And when you get the ball into the red zone, you kick field goals. I don't know how you win those games, but let me tell you how you got back into the game, because typical in Harbaugh fashion, he started to run the ball and they started and his Bengals started to run blitz. So now they catch Ocho and you get a second and 12. Now they got you playing behind the sticks. Okay, let's just say for the sake of argument, on second and 12, you get five. Okay, now it's third and seven, you get another five, which it should be first down. Now it's 32. Now it's 33. You see what happened? And so they kept doing that. Bengals know, hey, this hardball, he ain't going to do anything crazy. He going to stick to the script, the strip. He going to run the ball. On first down, let's get him with a run blitz. Boom. And they got him. Got him playing from behind the sticks. And then Herbert, I don't know if you, if I'm the only one, but as the game starting, the Titans, he starts the Titans. And this game was very reminiscent of what we saw against Jacksonville. They had a 27 point lead. Now, this is a different coaching staff, but he's the same quarterback. And as the game got tighter and tighter, all of a sudden the throws that he was making in the first half, when he's playing loose, boom, boom, boom.
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Chad Johnson
Listen, you don't want to make mistakes, especially as a young quarterback like Herbert. You don't want to put all in harm's way when you know a team is coming back or the momentum has shifted, you know, in the Bengals favor. So again, your decision making, it becomes a little bit different as a quarterback as opposed to, you know, being a gunslinger that you were in the first half and taking some of those chances.
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Shannon Sharpe
Well, you're the reason why they're probably coming back because you're not throwing the ball. And on third down, you're getting the ass off the field as opposed to staring, staying on the field. And yeah, it's difficult. Hey, when a team know you got to throw the ball, it gets very, very difficult. Now the Chargers, you know, they're like, okay, let's give up. Nothing cheap, nothing deep. We'll make them nickel and dime our way down the field. But what happens when you do that is that you allow their offense to get in a rhythm. You allow Joey B. To get into a rhythm with Higgins and with Chase, and now you got your hands full. So, because when you try to heat him up and when you try to get him off that point, he's already got a rhythm. Those guys have gotten a rhythm now. And so it's a lot more difficult to try to stop a team once you've allowed them to get into a rhythm. And that's the thing. I don't understand either. I don't understand how the Bengals, every single game is the same damn thing. We start, they spot in teams, 10 spot in teams, 14, knowing. Knowing if you spot a team, let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, you spot a team back knowing what your defense is. So even if we somehow able to finagle our way back in the ball game, what's the likelihood of our defense going to be able to stand pat for the entirety. Now, the Bengals kicker, they now McPherson, he's in his own head. And we're going to talk about this the same thing with Justin Tucker. He's no longer automatic like he once was from the field goal or the pat. But the Bengals, Ocho, they got the work cut out for him. They basically got to go 6, 0.
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Chad Johnson
Yeah, we don't have. Yeah, we don't have a choice. Joe Burrow came out, you know, two weeks ago and said we had to win seven of the last nine.
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Shannon Sharpe
Well, you don't lost two.
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Chad Johnson
Yeah, my point exactly. We done lost two of those already. So now, I mean, if there's a team that could do it, Listen to me real quick and chat, chat. For those of you that are watching right now, if there is a team that can do it offensively from, From. From a offensive standpoint, schematically, tactically, it is them, the way they're built offensively. But we got to be able to start the game fast. You got to put the players advantageous situation.
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Shannon Sharpe
You. You know, you just can't play with your offense, right?
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Chad Johnson
Get it done. Yeah, listen, I know. I know what you're going to say. You can't say we can't play with offense, but Joe has to overcome the bad play on defense. He has to overcome them having laws, different laws in the first half of the game.
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Shannon Sharpe
You.
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Chad Johnson
We don't have a choice, Ocho. Choice.
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Shannon Sharpe
Ocho, you just gave up 34. You gave up 41. You gave up 38, man. Come on, man.
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Chad Johnson
I know. I know what you're saying. I know what you're gonna say. There's nothing I could do. There's nothing I could do. I'm just saying from the outside and as a fan, as a fan, as a fan of the Angles and as a fan of the game of football in general, the only way the Bengals are going to be able to win games, the offense has to overcome bad defensive play. The offense is going to have to overcome the little spells in the spells in the first half and the spells in the second half, you're going to have to extend. Extend not plays, but the score line and being able to play from ahead and try to extend that lead as much as possible, depending on when that. When that defense decides to have those lows.
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Shannon Sharpe
I'm just trying to figure out.
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Chad Johnson
They gotta damn near play perfect, man.
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Shannon Sharpe
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Before we go any further, they. Damn.
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Chad Johnson
They gotta play perfect chat.
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Shannon Sharpe
Before we go any further, if your team didn't win today, I don't wanna hear you say foot or ball.
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Chad Johnson
Come on, man, don't do that. Come on, man.
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Shannon Sharpe
All I know about Broncos, the Broncos won.
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Chad Johnson
Come on, man.
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Shannon Sharpe
Broncos won. Do you see the Broncos hang 38 on them?
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Chad Johnson
Yeah, they. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
26 and 5. Oh, boy. I mean, what I tried to tell you about this ojo. Y'all look like I said, you still got the Steelers twice. Yeah. You got the Bengals twice. That's four games. I don't know who they have outside of that, because I.
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Chad Johnson
You said we got the Bengals twice. But you. You said.
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Shannon Sharpe
I mean, there's no Browns. Y'all got the Browns twice. Y'all got the Steelers twice. That's four. You only got. You only got six games left. Yeah, man, they only played around one. So they got the Browns once again at home. Steelers, Cowboys. Okay. Oh, y'all got the Broncos, too.
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Chad Johnson
All right, well, listen, I'm gonna go out on a limb. I'm gonna go out on a limb, and I'm. I'm gonna say. I'm gonna. I'm gonna say is up to Joe Burrow in that offense, man. It's up to Zach Taylor. If we want to win these next, what, six games, you got to go six.
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Shannon Sharpe
I believe I do. You know what, Ocho, hold on. Talk to me.
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Chad Johnson
Wait, hold on. Before you say anything. Before you. Before you say anything, talk to me nice now.
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Shannon Sharpe
Okay?
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Chad Johnson
Talk to me nice.
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Shannon Sharpe
You got. Hold on. Are they only. So they got the Steelers on the. On. On the 1st of December. So that's in two weeks, right?
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Chad Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
So they got.
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Chad Johnson
Yes, sir.
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Shannon Sharpe
So your guys go on a bio show. So you got the Steelers at home, you're at the Cowboys, you're at the Titans. Those should be wins. You should be able to beat the Browns. It's going to come down. I believe your season is going to hang in the balance. Can you beat the Steelers last game of the season on January 5th in Pittsburgh?
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Chad Johnson
I think. I think that's what it's going to come down to. I truly believe that's what it's going to come down to. I think for us as a team, offensively and defensively, Lou will be able to get those boys together and find a way to get some type of game plan, some type of. Some type of. I don't even know. I don't even know at this point, because we're on. We. The season is almost over, so we shouldn't be having these issues defensively. Now, again, we played very, very well to allow the offense to be able to get back into the game simply because, like you did say to piggyback what you said, having the Chargers playing from behind the sticks, making it a little easier, putting the ball back in the office, back in the office's hand. And allowing them to do what they need to do. But the offense that we saw in the second half come back from 21 point lead is what we need from the beginning of the game, from the start of the game. I'm not sure what the difference is in the play in the second half from, from, from the first, but whatever we did in the second half, we need to start the goddamn game like that.
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Shannon Sharpe
Throw the motherfucking.
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Chad Johnson
Throw the goddamn kid. To sink at the.
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Shannon Sharpe
I don't know if y'all gonna beat the Steelers in the first game in December. It's over for y'all.
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Chad Johnson
Yeah. You ain't got to see it like that lightly to talk nice to me, man.
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Shannon Sharpe
I don't know what's going. What's going on with your WI Fi.
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Chad Johnson
It ain't working.
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Shannon Sharpe
It keep fading in and out. Did you got. Do you get the. Because they give you two types. You can play the extra 15 and get the super high five or you can get the. The run of the meal.
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Chad Johnson
Can you see me?
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, we see you, but it's. It's your audio that keeps fading in and out.
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Chad Johnson
Oh, man. Damn. See, I don't like when I be in these hotels, bro. You. You want me to try to get that. Get the better, better WI Fi. You want me to keep going? What you want me to do?
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Shannon Sharpe
Well, you, you probably should have got that from the beginning. But, but we learned. Lesson learned moving forward. Justin Herbert now has 15 game winning drives in his career. Only Patrick Mahomes and Kirk Cousins have more since 2020 when Herbert entered the league. I guess somebody wrote a text Text from NFC JM the amount of regret the teams have for not hiring Jim Harbaugh when they had the chance is very real. O Will Jim Harbaugh be the best thing to have happen to Herbert in his career?
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Chad Johnson
Absolutely. Absolutely. You have to understand, I see Harbaugh similar to a Dan Campbell. I see Harbaugh similar to that of a. A Deion Sanders. You go somewhere in the places that you do go, not only do you turn the, the franchise or the program, the organization around that you're with the quarterback that you're attached to also has success.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
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Chad Johnson
Being better with the ball offensively, being able to process information and make sure you play it away, where you always give your team the best chance to win the game. Which is why I think you saw what you did in the second half with him not making the desperation throws which allowed the Bengals to come back, come back in this game. The goddamn artists in hole in his totality. They look completely different with a few different pieces defensively, but the defense looks different, the offense looks different. Quinn Johnson, Young brother, I salute you. Young brother, I salute you. Your confidence is there. You look like a completely different receiver today. I'm not sure if Harbaugh has anything to do with that, but I'm sure what he's brought to their culture and that winning mentality has changed everything about that team. That's including the players and their play.
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Chad Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
It's damn near like every game you pencil in Mahomes going to turn the ball over at least once. At least once. He's not playing well. He has not played well this year. He's had moments in which he's played well. But the totality. Mahomes used to play clean for the entirety of the game. He would go stretches where he'd have five, six, seven, eight games and he would be virtually impeccable. Right now you hope you can get five or six possessions in which he's impeccable but he's not playing well. The defense gave up 30. Like I said, think about it and see this is what normally happens. You know it's going to be a situation Ocho, somebody is going to put points on your defense.
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Chad Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
This is where Mahomes needed to have that game to go get 31 to go get 34. So that's the question that you're going to have to ask yourself. Chiefs fans follow the NFL. Right. If somebody can have have a day in which they get up on the Chiefs and have better than normal day against that defense. Right. And Patrick Mahomes and this offense out duel an opposing team's offense.
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Chad Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
And it used to be a no doubter. It used to Be unless you scored 28 or 30 points, you couldn't beat the Chiefs, right?
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Chad Johnson
Well, honestly, if you think about it. And when it comes to the regular season now, the Bills are four and one against the Chiefs. Yeah, but it counts when we talk about that dueling situation where it matters most in brush. Mahomes coming in and playing his best football in opportune times has been in the postseason where they are three and oh against the Bills. So again in the regular season, for some reason, the Bills have always had success when it comes to playing the Chiefs. But when it mattered most, when it mattered most in the postseason, Patrick Mahomes has always come on top in those dual games like that. But again, not to take anything away from the Bills and what they did today, hell, I even had the Bills winning.
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Shannon Sharpe
I said, yeah, I think everybody should have. I think the thing is, Ocho, is that people like, well, Mahomes, Mahomes. But we've never seen Mahomes play stretches like this. That's the difference. Yeah, we know what he is, we know what he's done, but we haven't seen him play like this. We haven't. He had Worthy wide open and he throws him, leads him out of bounds, he leads him up the field as a touchdown. It's plays like that that he used to never miss and now more, more. It's more routine to see him miss those throws than make those throws. Right. Which is very uncommon, is something that we're not used to seeing. The Bills mounted five scoring drives of at least eight plays and 60 yards. Four of those plays ended on a touchdown and one ended on field goal. So five of the six drives of at least eight plays and 60 yards ended in scores. Four TDs, one field goal. Josh Allen was 27 to 42, 62, one touchdown, one INT. They ran the ball 31 times for 104 yards. James Cook had two touchdowns and it was Josh Allen that sealed it late on the fourth down, 26 yard run. Patrick Mahal. I mean look at it. 23 of 33 for 198. Has Patrick Holmes have a 300 yard game this year? He might have one.
- [30:41]
Chad Johnson
Yeah, maybe, maybe one. But again, you know what? You know what else? You know what else that comes into what? That it makes it that much more difficult coming off a Super bowl champion. I mean, coming off a Super bowl win, everybody targeting you, everyone is study, everyone has studied you, all your tendencies, everything you like to do. They studied your offense, they studied your quarterback. So it makes it that much more difficult yeah. For Patrick Holmes and that offense as the people have game planned and prepared to play you. So I think things are a little bit more difficult for them and that that's on Andy Reid to continue to do what he does and being as creative as possible to throw the team that you're playing off because they're a little bit better prepared.
- [31:23]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. But give Buffalo credit. Buffalo. Buffalo is playing extremely well. Josh is playing. He's running. Hey, you look at 6 foot 5, 6 6, 250, 255. And he can run and he's a low. And once he opens up, man who trying to tackle him. DBs ain't trying to tackle that man so bad. Please. But he's playing well. He throw the ball away. I mean, he's had what, consecutive games? Three consecutive games, if I'm not mistaken, turning the ball over. But he didn't turn it over when they was in the red zone because a lot of times they were getting in trouble. He was throwing picks in the end zone. He was following the ball in the red zone and he was taking potential points off the board, even though any drive could ended in points, you know, but when you throw the ball in the end zone and it gets turned over, you know, you're already in field goal range. But.
- [32:18]
Chad Johnson
Dang.
- [32:20]
Shannon Sharpe
If I told you the quarterback has thrown in 11 games in 10 games, have thrown for 2400 yards. He has 15 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. What would you say?
- [32:31]
Chad Johnson
Ocho, they probably losing.
- [32:35]
Shannon Sharpe
Thank you.
- [32:36]
Chad Johnson
If you don't put. If you don't put the name. If you don't put the name and you just say the stats in general.
- [32:41]
Shannon Sharpe
Yep.
- [32:42]
Chad Johnson
A losing team and whoever it is is playing very bad.
- [32:45]
Shannon Sharpe
Yep.
- [32:47]
Chad Johnson
Very bad.
- [32:48]
Shannon Sharpe
And so the fact that it looks.
- [32:50]
Chad Johnson
Like that on and they're only. And they're still 9 and 1, that says a lot about the player in general also as well.
- [32:58]
Shannon Sharpe
He's only had two games this season in which he has not thrown an interception.
- [33:03]
Chad Johnson
Yeah, okay, two games. How many 300 yard games has he had?
- [33:07]
Shannon Sharpe
He had only one against the Saints.
- [33:09]
Chad Johnson
Yeah, okay.
- [33:12]
Shannon Sharpe
Dang. Came close. Against the. The Ravens, he had 291. And then against the Bengals, he had 151. 217. Against the Falcons, 245, 331. Against the Saints, he had 154. Against the 49ers, a. 262, 291, 266, 196. His completion percentage is off the chain, but that we understand why. Because they run a Lot of smoke screens. They run a lot of screenplays, they a lot of shallows, a lot of spots. So it's not like before where he was pushing the ball down the field like he used to. We understand the offense changed substantially once they lost Tyreek. They found a new way to get the ball down the field. They're not as explosive as they once were. Right. As long as you win, you win. But you make it very, very difficult when you turn the ball over. And even as great as your defense is, you keep turning it over, they go. Eventually they're going to crack. Yeah, most definitely they're going to crack. But give Buffalo credit. Let's not a take anything away from them. They played really, really well today. They got some big time plays. Coop had a couple of big catches, Samuel played really well, had came with some key third downs. But the Bills win and move within a half game of Kansas City for the number one seed in the afc. The Bills fans hang a Kermit the Frog puppet and if I'm not mistaken, Ocho, they had a 15 on his jersey. Ocho, what do you think about this?
- [34:42]
Chad Johnson
I mean, listen, it's an ongoing thing with them making fun of, fun of Mahomes voice. Mahomes because of his voice, because of how he talks and comparing him to Kerman. I think it's been ongoing thing. I think Mahomes has addressed it. I don't think it doesn't really bother him. But I understand the whole thing. They've won. But again, they might, those Bills fans might want to be cautious. This is just the regular season because when it matters most, where goddamn pat Mahomes is 3, 0 against, you know, the Bills, the Bills and their fans, we gonna see. He gonna remember that. He gonna remember that. So you know, kudos to the Bills. I mean, kudos to their fans. I had the Bills winning, winning this game and Josh Allen, man, young man, young bull is the real deal, man. He's a real deal. Obviously he did have a turnover and he has been turnover prone in the past and I think that's been his Achilles heel. But this year he's been, he's been protected the ball for the most part extremely well this season. And I think, I think they're going, they're going to go far. They're going to go, they're going to go really, really, really far this year.
- [35:46]
Shannon Sharpe
You, you, you like, you like Buffalo better this year than in previous years?
- [35:52]
Chad Johnson
Oh, absolutely.
- [35:52]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay.
- [35:53]
Chad Johnson
Absolutely. The fact that not only is Josh Allen playing well, he's not a turnover machine as he once was. He's not relying on the, on his arm strength to squeeze ball, squeeze ball in places where he shouldn't be trying to throw it. Yeah. So he's, he's improved on that. And for the fact that he's not a turnover machine right now. I had the Bills going much further as opposed to they have in previous years.
- [36:17]
Shannon Sharpe
Lamar can't get it done. He couldn't beat. Can't beat the Steelers again. Ocho the Lamar Jackson Steelers. Russ. The Steelers beat Baltimore 18 16. It's just been difficult for the Ravens to overtake the Steelers when Lamar continues to struggle against them. Now, you know the fans going to come out there and say, well, he ain't got no receivers and he ain't got this. They're going to blame Todd Monkin for the call because it ain't. Lamar played bad and he's played bad more routinely than not when he's faced the Steelers.
- [36:43]
Chad Johnson
Question Huh.
- [36:44]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
- [36:46]
Chad Johnson
The Ravens Steelers game.
- [36:47]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
- [36:48]
Chad Johnson
Answer this for me.
- [36:49]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
- [36:50]
Chad Johnson
How many times did Derrick Henry carry the ball today?
- [36:53]
Shannon Sharpe
They ran. Derrick Henry had 13 carries. They had the ball. They ran the ball 19 times for 124. Lamar Jackson threw the ball 33 times for 207 yards. Now we go back and look Cleveland, what was the ratio? But y'all don't want to get y'all. But see, when we try to tell you your, your recipe to make a great dish that everybody in Baltimore and Maryland and surrounding counties gonna love, we hate you. But y'all keep doing it this way. But anyway, let me finish this. Ocho, the reigning MVP is now 1 in 4 against the Steelers after completing just 48% of his passes, 16 to 33, which does not include a desperation toss on a failed two point conversion. Justin Tucker missed two field goals. He missed field goals from 47 and 50 yards in the first quarter, which marked the first time since 2022 that he's failed to convert on back to back attempts. Tucker has now missed six field goals this season. Last season he only missed five. Tucker said the plan surfaced wasn't ideal. Tucker, how many years have you kicked in Pittsburgh? Every time this time of year that the Steelers playing surface is ideal. What we've seen from Tuck is that he's no longer automatic. Ojo.
- [38:06]
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
- [38:07]
Shannon Sharpe
Kicks from 55th, 55 and in they were money. Yeah. He could kick on the moon, he could kick in Pittsburgh, he could kick in Denver, it did not matter. But now they're. No, that's no longer the case because now what was if the game was closed and you put it on the foot of Tuck. Tuck was going to handle it. What, what, what did they do first game. Have they. They played. Who did the Ravens play? The 49ers opening night? No, the Ravens played the Kansas City. Give me all the start. Let's, let's see what the run ratio, the pass ratio. Because they've lost. How many games have the Ravens lost? Four now, right? They've lost four. Let's, let's see the ratio run past. We know they lost when they passed the ball more against Cleveland and the Pittsburgh. Let's see the other two losses. If the run ratio what it was probably the same. But we're here to find out because I want to speculate. Let's get this right because you know Ojo, they want us to be perfect. So let's make sure we're perfect because somebody go say, okay, they did, blah, blah, blah. So we're going to make sure we got it right. Let's see what, let's see what the ratio is.
- [39:17]
Chad Johnson
Hey, you do know if Tuck. If Tuck makes one of those field goals, the Ravens win the game, right?
- [39:23]
Shannon Sharpe
Well, if. That's to say if Steelers cash one of those red zone possessions, you know, they win the game. Right. So we doing hypotheticals. One team kicks kick six field goals from the red zone.
- [39:34]
Chad Johnson
Six field goals.
- [39:35]
Shannon Sharpe
Exactly.
- [39:35]
Chad Johnson
Steelers the game without scoring a touchdown.
- [39:38]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
- [39:41]
Chad Johnson
In real life. This ain't no video game. And they got damn defense. Boy, they know they were playing some ball out there.
- [39:49]
Shannon Sharpe
32 of them was running plays. They had 72 so that 74. So that means the other 40 was throwing. Okay, so they threw it more against Kansas City. Right. And they ran it. They lost. They threw it more against the Steelers than they ran it and they lost. They threw it more against the Cleveland and they lost. What did they do against the Raiders? They lost against the Raiders also. I just. I just. I mean, I just don't understand how you think 13 carries is enough for Derrick Henry. It's not that complicated. Now look, I understand early in the game it changed the momentum of the game. When Henry fumble. It looked like they were going in to get points then and it kind of changed things around. But give it back to him. Every game in which they lost, they've thrown the ball more than they've won. When they. Excuse me. Than they've run it. When they run it more than they throw it. Guess what happens, Ocho?
- [41:04]
Chad Johnson
They win. They win. They win every time. Listen, we've talked. We've talked about the recipe for the Ravens for a very long time. You know, understanding what, what it takes for them to win games. Obviously, when that, when they do give the. When they give Derek Henry the ball, I say more than 20. I say more than 20 times a game. They always come out in the winning end in everyone.
- [41:27]
Shannon Sharpe
I just. I just don't. I. I just don't get it. I just. I. I don't. I don't. Ocho, I don't. I don't understand why you have Derrick Henry and you leave and you leave a game and Derrick Henry only has 13 carries and you feel good about that. The same thing. I mean, he has 16 carries. He has 16 carries. If I'm, If I'm not mistaken, Ocho, against Cleveland, I can't go back off the top of my head.
- [41:51]
Chad Johnson
It was 16. The number was 16. Against. Against. Against the Browns, it was 16. But also Steelers. You know what I think it also does from. From. For Todd Monkin? I think it scares them away from calling the run plays when the Steelers defense is playing that goddamn way.
- [42:05]
Shannon Sharpe
But I thought you told me you don't let somebody dictate your play. Don't you tell me you don't let nobody dictate calling the players or not.
- [42:12]
Chad Johnson
Yeah, you don't. You don't. You're not supposed to. You're not supposed to. But again, when things aren't working. When things aren't working and it's not going good, you tend to stray away from it when another team is not allowing you to do what you want to do.
- [42:23]
Shannon Sharpe
Ocho, we saw this against the Bengals, you remember? And over time, they give the ball to Derek Henry. What do you do? He ran them to a victory. Yeah. Look, this ain't college where guys average 10 yards a clip every time they touch the ball. Yes, it's a lot of 2 yards, 1 yard, 5 yards, but you wear down the defense. And plus play action. You know, just ask Lamar just to drop back and throw the ball. That's not what he is. Can he throw the ball? Has he got exponentially better? Yes. Yeah. But you need to play action off of that because the Steelers are very good. They got a nice scheme. And think about it. Russ threw an interception in the end zone. No choke. Yeah, they would have got more points.
- [43:06]
Chad Johnson
Yeah, that should have been a touchdown. He just had to bring it down a little bit.
- [43:11]
Shannon Sharpe
I say, come on. I just don't get it why the Ravens are so hell bent trying to prove that we can throw our way to A victory. At the end of the day, if you holding the Lombardi, why do you care how you got it? If you had to run back three punts to win the game or had to block two field goals, who cares? But this is not your recipe for winning, right?
- [43:36]
Chad Johnson
Damn. Hey, but it was a good game, though. I could tell you that.
- [43:40]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, it was. I mean, look, it's a rivalry game. It's going to be highly contested.
- [43:45]
Chad Johnson
It's going to be close.
- [43:46]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes, yes. They turned the ball over three times. You know, I mean, you go on the road, you turn the ball over three times. You probably. You probably shouldn't have been in the.
- [43:56]
Chad Johnson
Game to begin with.
- [43:58]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, you probably shouldn't have to be in the game. And based on what we've seen from the defense, they normally. They gave up 18 points and they kept them out of the end zone. Right. You know, the Raven teams have been having their way with Ravens in the secondary. Ocho. Yeah. So give the Ravens credit for standing on their head and keeping them out of the end zone. But this is. This was a very winnable game. This was a very winnable game for the, for the Ravens. And they got. They've got to find ways to win games like this. But I tell you what happened.
- [44:31]
Chad Johnson
Yes, sir.
- [44:32]
Shannon Sharpe
They play it like this. Jared Goff just sprung board right back into the MVP conversation. I don't know if you saw his game today. Oh, yeah. Did anybody see your game today?
- [44:41]
Chad Johnson
That was disrespectful.
- [44:42]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay, okay. You saw it. So you saw it too. He just sprung board his way right back into the MVP conversation.
- [44:49]
Chad Johnson
You know who also is in there? I don't want to leave? Josh Allen.
- [44:52]
Shannon Sharpe
Josh Allen.
- [44:53]
Chad Johnson
I don't want to leave Josh Allen out of that. But you know what's going to happen with that? Lamar Jackson has an off game. He has a game where he doesn't play well today. But what's going to happen, it can come back next week. And he going to put himself right back in the front runner for that. Goddamn.
- [45:08]
Shannon Sharpe
Well, I still believe he's the front runner. I'm just saying that Jared Goff got his way back into it because he coming. Think about it, Ocho, he threw five picks and they still found a way to win the game because what right last week, because in that final drive when they needed to get in position, what did he do? He made every throw. So all now it's much worse. You throw five interceptions and you lose the game. But he ended up having the game when he drive. Right. So people Go like, okay, yeah, he played bad, but when they needed to have something, he went and got it for him. I still believe Lamar is in the front. In the front. I mean, what. He had a touchdown and an interception, so now he has 25. He's 25 and three. That's still pretty damn good. Stats. Oo. And it's seven and four. They're seven and four. Now, golf does have great numbers, and they're. They've only lost one game.
- [46:01]
Chad Johnson
So can I go ahead. I don't mean to do this, but if the bangers were winning, Joe Burrow would also be an mvp.
- [46:11]
Shannon Sharpe
Absolutely. The numbers have to be right.
- [46:14]
Chad Johnson
I just want to throw that out there. I just want to throw that out there.
- [46:16]
Shannon Sharpe
But y'all not. We dealing with people that are winning, so don't bring that up again. Come on, Chad, say it with me. Windy. Windy. Wendy. Gonna win a game. Windy, Windy. When they gonna win a game? When they. When they. When they gonna win a game?
- [46:37]
Chad Johnson
Oh, that's not necessary. You got to do that.
- [46:39]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, my.
- [46:41]
Chad Johnson
I'm already in my feelings about my bangles, man. And. And I was. I was hoping we could pull it off today and just. It's like, if it ain't. If it ain't one thing, it's another. If it ain't. If it ain't one thing, it's another, man. God damn.
- [46:54]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, it is. I don't know. I don't know, guys. I don't know if y'all know this, but I used to vote for a decade. I voted for all the lit wards, all pro defensive offensive player of the year. And I'm just telling how to. God. I know there's 50 men and women. I'm just telling how they think y'all can say all that hate Ish. Y'all want to, but I'm telling you. Jerry Goff won a game in which you threw five picks because he had the game winning drive. And he followed it up today. Did y'all see them drop a 52 piece? Ocho? Did you realize they went touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, field goal, kneel down. Let me say that again. Touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, field goal, kneel down. And I don't know if y'all know it. Y'all make it seem like that man got like five touchdowns and seven and seven touchdowns and five picks. Go check your stats out. And they're winning. They're the number one seed in the nfc.
- [47:54]
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
- [47:59]
Shannon Sharpe
The same thing. The same thing. Lamar didn't have the Greatest numbers. Last year he was 24 and 8, right? He was the number one seed. Jared Goff is going to have outstanding numbers and it looks like they're heading for the number one seed.
- [48:14]
Chad Johnson
Number one seed. Yeah.
- [48:18]
Shannon Sharpe
Man. Three turnovers, two missed field goals, and it seems like the Ravens played their worst football when they played the effing Steelers.
- [48:28]
Chad Johnson
Every time.
- [48:29]
Shannon Sharpe
Every time.
- [48:31]
Chad Johnson
Listen, you. You know, again, the game is not as physical as it once was when we were playing Uncle. So I can't really say it was a. It's a 210 strap game, but you gotta bring. You gotta bring your ass 210 traps and buckle that motherfucker up. Because obviously the turnover with Derrick Henry was somebody coming from the side. It wasn't, you know, like, oh, my goodness, he hit him so hard. He fumbled. But it was. I'm not going to say luck. Just he had the ball and at the wrong opportune time, it came out. You know, that's it. And obviously two turnovers. The other two turnovers, you take Justin Tucker. It's a game of inches, Uncle. Yeah, Justin Tucker makes one of those field goals. It makes a difference in the ball game. You know, I know it's hypothetical, but. But it makes a difference in the ball game. That's why when he was automatic, if he was automatically like he once was in. In the past. It makes a difference in the game when the offense is sputtering. When the offense isn't playing well.
- [49:28]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes, but you know what type of game is going to be. It's not. These games are normally low scoring, Ocho. Even if you score touchdowns, it ain't like these games have been 35, 30, 35, 34, 41, 38. That's not the type of game these teams are. These teams are built on defense. They're bullies. Although Lamar, obviously the Ravens have an MVP and an offensive player of the year and Derrick Henry in the backfield, so they're a lot more explosive than they have been in the years past. Flowers and Bateman and Aguilar and Likely and Andrews, they got the. Hey, look, they got an offense. There's no excuses for the Ravens this year. Offensively, there's none, Ocho. There's none. They got. They got Hill, they got Henry. You look, they got two outstanding tight ends. They got good. They got good receivers. I love Zay, Flowers, Bateman, Aguilar, they, Wallace. They've got some really. They got some really talented and good players. The thing that concerned me was the defense because I'm still a little shaky on the secondary, Ocho. I am, I am. But I got to give him credit today. They kept George Pickens under control. He had 12 targets, eight catches. Washington had two catches, Harris had four. They ran, kept really under control running the football. 34 carries for 21. 22.
- [50:51]
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
- [50:54]
Shannon Sharpe
I mean, and the Steelers had what, 72 plays. They ran 72 plays to the Ravens. 52, 55. How many total plays did the Ravens have? I mean, it says Lamar threw 30 ball 33 times. They had 19 rush attempts, but you probably had a couple of plays throw away penalties. So that's 52. So they have 52 to 70. 52 to 70. It's just 70. So the Steelers read 18 more plays, 54 to 74. So they still read 20 more. Okay. Are the Ravens their biggest detriment? This is what Lamar said. Absolutely. It's been that way over ever since last year, I believe going back to the AFC championship game. We killed ourselves. The Chiefs game in the over. We killed ourselves. Raider game. We killed ourselves today. Same thing. We can't keep beating ourselves in these type of game issues. Annoying. What you think, Ojo? Yeah, I mean, there ain't no consolation, Ocho.
- [52:08]
Chad Johnson
He be honest with himself, huh?
- [52:11]
Shannon Sharpe
So let me ask you a question. Did this, did this, did this loss go into the. Did it go into the. Did it go into the. Who got the win? Was it the Steelers or yourself?
- [52:19]
Chad Johnson
The Steelers got to win.
- [52:20]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay. So you keep saying you beat yourself. At the end of the day, the same thing. It is the same result. You lost. So guess what happened to come playoff time, if you beat yourself, you're going home because this is not basketball. This is not baseball. That's what we love about football so much. Ocho, you get one shot.
- [52:37]
Chad Johnson
That's it.
- [52:38]
Shannon Sharpe
One shot. Yeah. And some. A lot of times the best team doesn't always win. It's the team that plays the best that day.
- [52:46]
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
- [52:47]
Shannon Sharpe
That's why we love football, because we're going to probably get that upset. You're probably not going to get the upset that you would normally get in a series because the better team over seven game series, the better team would normally win.
- [53:00]
Chad Johnson
Right.
- [53:01]
Shannon Sharpe
But in one game and anything can happen. Right. They got to find a way to fix these miscues. They got to find a way to tighten this thing up. They got to go into the list here. I don't care what anybody says. Derek Henry needs to get the ball more than 13 damn times.
- [53:18]
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
- [53:18]
Shannon Sharpe
Period.
- [53:19]
Chad Johnson
More than 13. More than.
- [53:20]
Shannon Sharpe
I don't care if Lamar Jackson is going perfect from the and we've seen him go perfect. We have. He. He had a perfect game. What was he like? 6? 17? 18. But look how many carries they give Derek. Y'all got to give him the ball. That's why you brought him in.
- [53:37]
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
- [53:38]
Shannon Sharpe
He's not a fancy accessory. He's a necessity, not an accessory. Y'all need to treat him as such.
- [53:47]
Chad Johnson
Right?
- [53:49]
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Shannon Sharpe
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Chad Johnson
So who they gonna, who they gonna point to blame at now? I'm just curious. The media point to play right now.
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Shannon Sharpe
The media.
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Chad Johnson
When Aaron Rodgers talked, who is he going to blame now?
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Shannon Sharpe
The media. Well, he can't blame, he can't blame Mike Williams, but the media, if the stench in the building because they've been losing so long and these guys don't understand what it takes to win, he ain't gonna play. He gonna put it on himself now. Oh, you waiting. Oh, you thought he gonna fake him?
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Chad Johnson
I would hope so. I would think at some point, understanding that you are the leader of that team, that at some point you take accountability. You take accountability for the fact that maybe I'm not playing well, maybe I'm not playing as, as good as I should be to give us a chance to win in those moments when it counts most. Am I making the throws? Am I making the plays to give my team the best chance to win? You know what? Right now, I'm not playing well. Not once, not once have we heard that at all. The numbers speak for itself.
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Shannon Sharpe
S Mess, mess, mess. That's what they need to be shouting. I would go to the with five marshal. It's on one side. I would be on the other side.
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Chad Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
L, E S S I, I'm just, I didn't run out of people. Now look, you blame Robert Salah, you blame. What's the, what's the coordinator? Hackett. Nathaniel Hackett. You blame Mike Williams. I want to know who next. Yeah, I'm just waiting on, I'm just waiting on the roll call. Who next chat who next? Who get blamed.
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Chad Johnson
Hey, again, the funny thing about it is this has been an ongoing issue whether Aaron Rodgers was there or not, regardless of what quarterback was at the helm, regardless of what quarterback was there in that situation. The jets have always had this problem for a very long time. For a very long time. They haven't had a winning season for a very long time.
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Shannon Sharpe
What about that cayenne pepper in water? I thought that was the fountain of the youth.
- [61:10]
Chad Johnson
Fountain of youth or that cayenne pepper.
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Shannon Sharpe
Hold on, what about, what about when he, you know what he say? You got to embrace the darkness, right? I thought we embracing darkness, right? I thought we going to house a walker or that was the TUSA or whatever it is. You know that stuff that get that hallucinogenic properties in it, right? It cause you to go out of your mind. Maybe you need to take another trip. I mean, you. Hey, they got a game next week, but why don't you go on vacation? I mean, ain't required. You know, games, you know, sometimes they're mandatory, sometimes they're voluntary. So maybe you take a. You know, take a volunteer trip. Just go away, right? I mean, three and eight. What you think? What you think the jets record would be without it? If I'm three and eight with him, you don't think I go three and eight without him and save 50 million?
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Chad Johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you paying for what you think you're going to get. You're paying for what you think you're going to get from the past and what he's done in the past based on his resume. That's what you paying for.
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Shannon Sharpe
But see, that's what I love about sports, Ocho, because it's the one thing that you require. You update your resume every single day.
- [62:19]
Chad Johnson
You got to.
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Shannon Sharpe
Oh, oh, you got this great resume. Oh, it's unbelievable. It's impeccable.
- [62:25]
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
Janet Jackson said it best. You say, what have you done for me lately, though?
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Chad Johnson
But you know what? You know, it's funny, you know, they always stand a certain position grace when it comes to what they've done in the past.
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Shannon Sharpe
Well, that's what they think.
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Chad Johnson
They always extend a certain. A certain quarter, a certain position. They extend them grace based on what they've done in the past.
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Shannon Sharpe
I don't. I believe, Ocho, I am. This is how I believe. I believe that there has never been a player or a person that's been above reproach. I don't give you what you deserve. I give you what you earn. He's earned the criticism in which we're leveling against him. Everybody knows. If you know me, if you follow Shannon Sharp from my time on Undisputed, I've been Aaron Rodgers biggest supporter. Do I think he's arrogant? Yes. Do I think he's flipping? Yes. Do I think he's condescending? Yes. Do I think he's dismissive? Yes. Do I think he blames others for his mistakes? Absolutely. But I say he's one of. He's the greatest thrower of the football that I've ever seen with my own two eyes?
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Chad Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
And I believe, too, I believe I can fairly assess. Do I like how he's treated somebody to blame others? No. But that doesn't stop me from doing my job and saying he's a damn good. When he plays well, I Have no problem saying Aaron Rodgers has played well for seven and a half years. But I know. But I've talked to people, I know people, and we'll just leave it at that, right? But hey, and you're right. A lot of time when someone is so great, you're willing to overlook their flaws.
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Chad Johnson
That's a good one right there.
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Shannon Sharpe
And that's with anything. It's just not with sports. Somebody that's really good at something, you allow them to do a lot of things that you wouldn't allow somebody else to do.
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Chad Johnson
Right.
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Shannon Sharpe
But what I think the thing that I love most about a person, about people that have power, is they don't abuse it. John knew John could miss practice and he could not be at many camps or he could do something never, right? Never.
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Chad Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
But when you blow it off, See, there. See, there's a difference between being able to influence people and being able to lead people. Now, don't y'all let that go over your head now.
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Chad Johnson
That's a good one.
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Shannon Sharpe
Let's move on. Let's go. Let's move on, Ocho, because I. This was Richardson first game back as a starter and was a milestone afternoon for the second year quarterback. He threw for a career high 272 yards and a passing touchdown and had his best completion percentage in a game where he attempted at least 20 passes. Richardson also added 32 yards and two scores on 10 rushing attempts. Is his first game with multiple rushing touchdowns since week two of 2023. Today was his first game with three combined touchdowns. If I'm not mistaken, I saw something that says Richardson is younger than Shadour Sanders. He's younger than Beck, he's younger than Cam Ward. He's younger than all the quarterbacks that's playing that's going to come into the draft. Ocho. And he's two years in the NFL.
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Chad Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
That's crazy.
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Chad Johnson
Yeah, it is. It is. And on top of that, I'm happy to ask.
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Shannon Sharpe
I meant to send it to you because I was reading this thing. Ocho, right? Shador is in college.
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Chad Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
Ward is in college, Beck is in college.
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Chad Johnson
Right.
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Shannon Sharpe
This guy's the second year in the league.
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Chad Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
And he's younger than them.
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Chad Johnson
How does that happen?
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Shannon Sharpe
He's younger than Bo Nicks.
- [66:24]
Chad Johnson
How does that happen?
- [66:25]
Shannon Sharpe
Don't be lying. You try to get me to lie.
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Chad Johnson
Okay, okay, okay, okay. Listen, I'm happy.
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Shannon Sharpe
He's younger than Shador Sanders, Carson Beck, Dylan Gabriel, Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams, Bo Nicks and Michael Penix Jr.
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Chad Johnson
Okay, I'm confused. How does that happen? He's been in the NFL for two years.
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Shannon Sharpe
Covet, I guess. You know, covert. You got. You got three, four. You got three extra years. So normally you have five to do four, and with Kobe, you got eight to do five.
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Chad Johnson
Right.
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Shannon Sharpe
That's all I got for you, Ocho. I. I wish I could give you something else, Ocho. To. Hey. So you can seek your teeth into. But that's all. Right.
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Chad Johnson
Right, right, right, right. I really can't bite into that. What you just told me. I can't bite into that.
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Shannon Sharpe
Because how old is. How old is. How old is he, like 21?
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Chad Johnson
He is 21.
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Shannon Sharpe
Just turned 22.
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Chad Johnson
But young. Young boy. Young man. Yes, young. I'm glad he. I'm glad he played.
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Shannon Sharpe
I'm glad he bounced back, too. I'm glad he bounced back, too. And you know what, Ocho? Maybe that situation where he pulled himself out of the game, he learned. He young. He young. I mean, lesson learned. Sometimes, Ocho, you just keep your mouth shut.
- [67:48]
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
That. You ain't. You ain't got to share everything with everybody.
- [67:53]
Chad Johnson
Right, Right. He was a little too honest. Too honest. He was a little too honest to a fault.
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Shannon Sharpe
Sometimes it is okay to misspeak the truth if it will say great harm or embarrassment.
- [68:07]
Chad Johnson
Yeah. Hey, you know what else I need them to do offensively, what you did? You already know. He had a shoulder surgery. Shoulder surgery.
- [68:14]
Shannon Sharpe
He got stopped. Lowering that shoulder. Put up the other bad shoulder. Give him the left. Ocho, I got. I need this one.
- [68:20]
Chad Johnson
Forget that part. That, though. These are design runs, Uncle.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [68:24]
Chad Johnson
They put in harm's way with design runs.
- [68:26]
Shannon Sharpe
Yep.
- [68:27]
Chad Johnson
Obviously trying to take the ball out his hands and making sure he doesn't, you know, have any turnovers and make sure he protects the ball. They give him design runs. Protect your quarterback a little bit more. Protect him. Take him a little bit more, please.
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Shannon Sharpe
But Ocho, if he just. If he gets 3% better.
- [68:44]
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
With the weapons that he has, Pierce and Pittman Jr. And Ali Cox, man. Ocho.
- [68:52]
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
Because he got weapons. Jonathan Taylor can run the football. They got a solid offensive line now. It's not as dominant as it once was, but they're still solid. Yeah, it's still solid. But, boy, if he just get incrementally better, going to the lab and says, I'm gonna get better at throwing this damn football.
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Chad Johnson
Yeah. Being able to touch, being. Being finessed. Every ball. Every ball doesn't have.
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Shannon Sharpe
With that. With that, with that. With that offense, with that offensive west skill, the Weapons that he has. Hey, he can be. He can be. He can be. He can be special man, because you see it. You see six. What is he? 6, 4, 2, 55. He can run, got great athleticism, but at the end of the day, you got to be able to throw the football. The best quarterbacks were probably your least athletic. They're the least athletic players on the effing field now. Not. I mean, obviously you take Vic and you take guys like Vic and Lamar, but on average, when you go back and look at all the quarterbacks that have played.
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Chad Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
The only position they could have played was quarterback. What? Let me ask you a question. What position you think Tom Brady was gonna play other than quarterback? Peyton, Danny Jones, what if they gonna play? They didn't play anything but quarterback.
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Chad Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
Hey, big. Probably big. Could have been a running back, could have been a db. Same thing with Lamar. Could have been running back, could have been a wide receiver. Yeah. Most of us played quarterback at some point in time. Played wide receiver, played running back, played defeat. I guarantee you most of the quarterbacks, the only thing they ever played was quarterback.
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Chad Johnson
Quarterback. Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
Detroit was fired on all cylinders today. Oh, Joe. And they demolished the Jags 52 6. The Lions set a franchise record for margin of victory plus 46 total yards, 645 first downs, 38. Detroit scored touchdowns on each of its first seven offensive possessions. The Lions are only the third team in the past 45 years to do it. The two are the Patriots, the 2009 Patriots and the 2007 Patriots. A team you might remember when every game they played that season until the Super Bowl. So Jerry Goff was 24 of 29, 412 yards, four touchdowns, zero picks. They ran the ball 43 times for 196 yards. And they had 440. They had 449 total passing yards. They took golf out. Herndon Hooker came In, he was 3 or 4. Amon Amon R.A. st. Brown, 11 catches, 1612 tubs. Jamison Williams, 4 for 124. Touchdown. Jameer Gibbs, 1 catch, 54 yards. Khalif Raymond, 2 catches, 30 yards, so forth and so on. And a partridge in a pear tree.
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Chad Johnson
Hey, how you stop that man? How you.
- [72:05]
Shannon Sharpe
When they click it like that?
- [72:07]
Chad Johnson
When you get contributions from everywhere from your running game, when you're passing game, you got two receivers going over 100. You can't find a way to stop a Monroe. You can't find a way to stop Jamis Williams. Then you got to deal with the goddamn running game. You got to deal with Montgomery, Crazy Ass. You got to deal with goddamn Sonic the Hedgehog and Jameer Gibbs. There's nothing you can do. And then defensively, they pan. Defensively, you got damn Brian Branch, Crazy Ass and the rest of that goddamn company out there. They playing extremely well. I mean, what. I mean, what do you do? What do you do? You hang up. 52. This is the NFL game. This is the NFL game against another NFL team, an NFL team that's supposed to be the best of the best. I know it's the. I know it's the Jags. I know it's the Jags, but still, These are the 1 percenters. These are the 1 percentage in the world where we are displaying our best players that we had to choose from in a. In a draft, in free agency or however they were acquired. They got 52 points hung up on them. 52.
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Shannon Sharpe
You gotta force them to turn the ball over. If they don't turn it over, the likelihood of you keeping them out of the end zone. Ben Johnson is doing an unbelievable job. Didn't he get fired somewhere? Didn't somebody fire him? What was he at? Was he at New Orleans? Where was Ben Johnson at? Because this ain't his first job. I don't think it's his first OC job.
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Chad Johnson
Yeah, Mr. John, he won with the Colts at one point. Or am I tripping?
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Shannon Sharpe
I thought he was at the Saints. Or was it Carolina? He was with the Dolphins. That's his only job. That's his only stop. Where was he out there? That. Oh, okay.
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Chad Johnson
Where was he before?
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Shannon Sharpe
He was at the Dolphins and he's been with the Lions ever since. The man had five interceptions last week. He had five incompletions this week.
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Chad Johnson
You see? You see, they. They. You know. You know, one thing my grandma always told me. Say God has favor, huh?
- [74:10]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, clearly. Because remember, Ocho, he had a game where he was 8, what, 18 or 18, 19 or 19.
- [74:17]
Chad Johnson
Damn near perfect. I think that was so.
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Shannon Sharpe
What. What is. What is. What is Jerry Goff stats now? I guess this thing out of batteries. You put them up. Ash is getting a Jerry Golf stats right now. 20. Okay, 29 and 2500 yards. Well, what you call them, almost at 3, 000 yards right now. Joe Burrow, that Joey. Joe Burrow.
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Chad Johnson
I thought Joe crossed 3,000.
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Shannon Sharpe
That's what I'm saying. Yeah, he got him because I think he was slightly above Lamar.
- [75:07]
Chad Johnson
Right?
- [75:07]
Shannon Sharpe
Lamar. And Lamar only had like a hundred and something. Maybe 200. But anyway, yeah, Joe Joe, Joey just crossed. He's at 3,000. He's right at 3,000. Or he's slightly over 3,000.
- [75:21]
Chad Johnson
Right.
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Shannon Sharpe
The volume. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite Moneyball, the Blind side and Liars Poker. On the latest season of my podcast, against the Rules, I'm exploring what it means to be a sports fan in America and what the rise of sports betting is doing to our teams, our states and ourselves. Join me and listen to against the Rules on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Open your free iHeart app and search against the rules. Listen to against the rules on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. What's up, everybody? It's Peter Schrager.
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Chad Johnson
We're back for the season with Peter Schrager. In each episode of the season, I'm.
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Shannon Sharpe
Going to empty my proverbial notebook and.
- [76:06]
Chad Johnson
Take you into inside and behind the scenes on the conversations that happen at.
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Shannon Sharpe
The highest levels of NFL franchises.
- [76:11]
Chad Johnson
You see, you'll be in the front office of an NFL team one week.
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Shannon Sharpe
But the next week, you're gonna be at a bar, elbow to elbow with some of your favorite celebrities laughing about football, like Kansas City Chiefs fan Paul Rudd. By the way, can I just point out how much I like the music of this podcast? Incredible. Very good.
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Chad Johnson
It's very kind of like a funky beat.
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Shannon Sharpe
Listen to the season with Peter Schrager on the I Heart radio app, Apple.
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Chad Johnson
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Shannon Sharpe
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Chad Johnson
Got time for 10 takes.
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Shannon Sharpe
Listen to 10 takes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Wasabi Hot Cloud Storage. Store more and do more with your data. Try them for free@wasabi.com. hey, everyone, I'm Madison Packer, a pro hockey veteran going on my 10th season in New York.
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Shannon Sharpe
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Shannon Sharpe
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