Nightcap Hour 1: Joe Flacco GETS SHIPPED to the BENGALS + Unc & Ocho CALL the BROWNS a CIRCUS + WORLD CHAMP Anna Hall Joins

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Nightcap Hour 1 – Joe Flacco Traded to the Bengals, Browns Drama, & World Champ Anna Hall (October 9, 2025)

Overview

In this episode of "Club Shay Shay: Nightcap," Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson dive deep into breaking NFL news, including the intra-division trade sending Joe Flacco from the Browns to the Bengals, analysis of the Bengals’ quarterback situation, and the ongoing quarterback carousel in Cleveland. The episode also features an insightful interview with World Champion heptathlete Anna Hall about her career, training, and life outside athletics. Energetic banter, candid opinions, and memorable analogies abound as Unc (Shannon) and Ocho (Chad) break down the latest in football and track & field.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Joe Flacco Traded to the Bengals (06:00 – 26:14)

• Trade Details

  • Joe Flacco traded from the Browns to the Bengals for a 2026 5th-round pick; Bengals also get a 2026 6th-round pick.
  • Only the third time in this century a starting quarterback is traded within a division (MM:SS 06:40).

• Reasoning Behind the Move

  • Jake Browning underwhelmed as backup in Joe Burrow's absence.
  • Bengals’ urgency fueled by heavy offensive investment and a desire to salvage the season (08:59).

• Expectations & Leadership

  • On Browning’s reaction: “Obviously I’m pissed... but I’m also not shouldering the entire situation.” – (Chad, paraphrasing Jake Browning, 07:59)
  • Shannon: “As the leader of that offense you like, look, that's on me. I didn't play well enough to get the job done.” (08:59)
  • Leadership under pressure: “The next man up is not playing well at all... So we want to get someone else who is a veteran presence that has won a Super Bowl.” – Shannon (10:02)
  • Discussion on the importance of the offensive line and their responsibility to protect a less mobile, older Joe Flacco.

• Memorable Analogy

  • Chad compares Browning’s role to a “self-driving car”: “He was a self driving car like, man, Joe out. Jake got this... Just get the car around the track and don't crash.” (13:08, 16:14)

• Desperation Move?

  • “Desperate teams do desperate things. This was a desperate move because… the quarterback that you had starting is actually playing better than the quarterback you’re replacing him with.” – Chad (19:42)

• Flacco’s Fit & Warnings

  • “If you think you’re gonna get 2012 playoff Flacco... he was never ever able to replicate. He could never really put a regular season together like he could those playoff runs.” – Chad (22:36)
  • “He’s a prototypical 70s, 80s drop back quarterback... not like these quarterbacks that we have today” – Chad (23:10)

2. State of the Browns: “A Circus” (29:34 – 36:13)

• Quarterback Uncertainty

  • Coach Kevin Stefanski is non-committal on backup QB after trading Flacco.
  • Chad: “Kevin Stefanski is making the Browns organization basically Jerry Springer... Maury Povich... They’re making a mockery of the situation...” (30:12–32:40)

• Media Targeting Shadour Sanders

  • Shannon: “They always trying to get him to slip up. They always trying... the microphone always seem to find Shador.” (32:49)
  • “He’s a news cycle... That’s the last name... Most of the time when you have something as polarizing... you do everything you can to stay away. But they’re engaging with it to keep the Browns in the news cycle. No different than the Dallas Cowboys.” – Shannon (33:47)

3. Interview: World Champion Heptathlete Anna Hall (39:33 – 59:56)

Early Motivation and Mentorship (40:00 – 42:36)

• Anna’s relationship with heptathlon legend Jackie Joyner-Kersee:
  • “She was always just like, no, I see it in you. Like I believe in you and I know you can do this.” – Anna Hall (40:38)
  • On Joyner-Kersee's world record: “She put that record so far out there... Nobody’s been within 200 points of it. That’s insane.” – Anna (42:11)

Pursuit of the Elusive World Record (42:36 – 45:28)

• Setting personal bests across the board:
  • “It’s gonna take perfect conditions, perfect training, literally everything I could possibly do correct over the next few years to chase that down.” – Anna (42:36)
  • “Maybe LA 2028 Olympics would be like the perfect storybook place to ever do it.” – Anna (44:28)

On Strengths, Weaknesses, and Mindset (45:28 – 48:57)

• Favorite and weakest events:

  • “Strongest event... probably the 800. Weakest event is definitely the long jump. Everybody knows that.” – Anna (46:09)
  • Ongoing work to overcome a mental block in long jump.

• Training and Process:

  • “I usually do three events and a lift. They call me nine-to-five because you’re at the track from nine to five every day.” – Anna (51:49)

Nutrition, Daily Routine, and Life Outside Track (54:25 – 57:05)

• Nutrition struggles and goals:

  • “Eating enough is a struggle. That’s like one of my biggest off-track battles.” – Anna (51:25)
  • “I like healthy food because that’s what I grew up on... I have a sweet tooth... I try to keep my main meals clean so then I’m like, OK, cookies, cake, ice cream.” (57:05)

• Personal moments:

  • Her boyfriend is NFL wide receiver Darius Slayton: “Darius Slayton is my boyfriend. And so…” (50:01)

Competing Beyond the Heptathlon (58:47 – 59:56)

• Plans for individual events as the heptathlon isn’t offered in all meets:
  • “I’m gonna compete in probably the high jump or the 400 hurdles... I really want to focus on it a little more next year.” – Anna (58:47–59:43)

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4. Additional NFL Trade: Browns & Jaguars (59:58 – 67:56)

• Trade News

  • Jaguars acquire CB Greg Newsome; Browns receive CB Tyson Campbell and a 2026 seventh-rounder.
  • “The Jags going for it. Oh, yeah... We finna push all our chips to the front because we really believe we have a chance right now.” – Shannon (61:05)

• Football Culture & Player Development

  • Discussion on positional versatility, focusing on Travis Hunter’s dynamic athleticism.
  • Shannon volunteers to work with Hunter in the offseason on route running: “Trav, I need you for two months… Route running. What I could do with you.” (67:27)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Chad on Backup QBs:

  • “Expectations are the number one killer of dreams and hopes and aspirations.” (13:28)
  • “You just don't crash. Yeah, that's all you got to do, son. I don't even need you to win this race. Just get the car around the track and don't crash.” (16:13)

• On Desperation Moves:

  • “Desperate teams do desperate things. This was a desperate move because in actuality, the quarterback you had starting is actually playing better than the quarterback you're replacing him with.” – Chad (19:42)

• Anna Hall on Jackie Joyner-Kersee’s Praise:

  • “From the first time I met her, she was always just like, no, I see it in you... For her to say that when I was so young... really made a difference.” (40:38)

• Anna on Chasing the Record:

  • “It’s gonna take perfect conditions, perfect training, literally everything I could possibly do correct over the next few years to chase that down.” (42:36)

• Shannon on Ancient Football:

  • “He’s a prototypical 70s, 80s drop back quarterback. That’s what he is. He’s not like these quarterbacks that we have today.” (23:10)

• On Media Pressure:

  • “They’re making a mockery of the situation... I really don’t know what to make of this.” – Chad (32:40)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Joe Flacco Bengals Trade Analysis: 06:00 – 26:14
• Browns Quarterback Situation Drama: 29:34 – 36:13
• Interview with Anna Hall: 39:33 – 59:56
• Breaking Jaguars-Browns Trade News: 59:58 – 67:12

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Final Thoughts

This “Nightcap” episode delivers high-energy, insightful sports talk peppered with humor and keen analysis, tracing NFL quarterback drama to broader lessons in resilience and leadership. Shannon and Chad seamlessly transition to track & field, highlighting Anna Hall’s journey and showcasing her blend of humility, ambition, and honesty about her challenges. If you’re a football junkie or track & field fan, or just want to hear how champions think, this episode is packed with engaging conversation and memorable soundbites, true to the authentic, relatable tone Club Shay Shay is known for.

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They sent a 2026 5th round draft pick to the Browns and in exchange for flacco and a 2026 six round draft pick. This is how rare it's in, I think in this century. Only once, twice as it happened. The New England Patriots traded Drew Bledsoe to the Buffalo Bills. The Philadelphia Eagles traded Donovan McNabb to the Washington. They were not the commanders at the time, you know what they were but he got traded intra division. So only three times as a quarterback that I can think of a trade like this going down. Let's run down. Let's run down. What happened. Joe Flacco was traded. Ocho's guy wasn't being able to. Jake Browning was not being able to hold up to it because what was supposed to happen, your backup is supposed to be able to keep you afloat until your starter comes back. That's what a backup is supposed to do. That didn't happen. So the Cincinnati Bengals like look, we've got a lot of money invested and Chase and, and, and Higgins and we gave 14 more million dollars to a trey Hendrickson. So we need to try to maximize this. We can't just give up on the season because our quarterback is not fulfilling his obligation, which is to keep us afloat to if and when Joe, excuse me, Joe Burrow came back, doesn't look like that was happening. And so they made the move. So Cleveland said Joe flacco and the 2026 sixth round draft pick and returns. The Bengals send them a 2026 5th round draft pick. We're getting it right for you guys right now. How Jake Browning is taking his demotion from being the starter to now being the backup in Cincinnati.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Are.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, I'm trying to respond the right way. Obviously I'm pissed and if I wasn't pissed, then I shouldn't be in this locker room. And it's important to me. And you know, I'm aware of the role I played in, in the offensive struggles over the last few weeks and you know, but I'm also not shouldering the entire situation. And you know, I went through yesterday, watched my throws, tried to come up with some stuff that I want to work on and just doing that. Okay. The thing a quarterback's supposed to do, say, look, it's on me. I did not play. Don't say, I'm not going to shoulder all of the blame. But we know you, all the blame is not on you. But in that moment when you're in front of the camera as the leader of that offense you like, look, that's on me. I didn't play well enough to get the job done. So I understand why the Bengals made that decision. If and when my time comes back up, I'll be more prepared. And I promise you, Bengals fans and this organization, my teammates, I won't let you down. Take off oo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, listen, obviously most of the time in that situation, as a quarterback, being the face being that Joe Burrow is absent, you have to take onus. You have to take all that on your shoulders because you are the quarterback, because much is expected of you once you are at that position and you are the one who handles the ball the most outside everyone else. With that being said, you look at our team and where we are right now, we're two and three, we still have time to be able to salvage the season. I think them continuing to stick with Jake Browning, based on the last two performance that we've seen, it would have been malpractice by the coaches. I think Zach Taylor might be on the hot seat. Yeah, listen, it's not funny. This is a serious matter. This is Not a laughing matter for us. The fans are impatient. I'm impatient. I think upstairs they're also impatient because they've invested money in that office of line. They invested money in Joe Burrow. They invested money in T and Jamar Chase and. And. And. And other, especially offensively in general, and they want to see a return on that investment.

[Chad Johnson]

Correct.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe Burrow's down. Joe Burrow down. Next man up. The next man up is not playing well at all. So we're two and three right now. What do you want to do? We want to get someone else who is a veteran presence that has won a Super Bowl. Maybe they can come in and. And steer the ship to keep it from sinking, similar to, like, the Titanic. We don't want to hit an iceberg. So can Joe Flacco come in and steer the ship and dodge a few icebergs? Now, we might. We might sink a little bit, but we don't want to just go all the way goddamn under.

[Chad Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

We're gonna see what can happen. It all starts with number one. We have a gunslinger at the quarterback position that has a hell of an arm.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But he's not mobile, Uncle.

[Chad Johnson]

No, he's not. No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jake Browning was mobile, and he was running for his life.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes. Joe Flacco ain't getting away from anything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My offensive line, if you guys do see this, I beg of you, I implore you to raise your level of play for us offensively to have any success moving forward, starting right now, this week, against that packers defense.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, Wyatt. Oh, my God.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My Bengals offensive line, we need to set the tone. We need.

[Anna Hall]

We.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We need to set the tone. All five of you. Orlando, Brown. Come on, baby. You got to come to the party, brother. Mims, you got to come to the party. Right guard, left guard. Terry Caris. We got to come to the party. As we go, as the offensive line goes, our team goes. The game of football is one up front. It's one in the trenches. And for us to continue, to continue to compete not only in the AFC north, but the NFL in general for the rest of the season, we have to win up front. That's what it starts with. If we win up front, everything else becomes easy. Offensively.

[Chad Johnson]

I can tell, looking at the chat, that there are not a lot of leaders out there because they're looking to obfuscate blame. If you go look, just look at the quarterbacks and how they talk. Jalen hurts. Watch out when they lose a game. How he talks with Brady and Manning and all these quarterbacks lose Watch. Look how they talk.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's on them.

[Chad Johnson]

You don't talk about. I don't shoulder all the blame. You said it's on me. I need to play better and I will. I understand why the organization did what they did because I wasn't getting the job done.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson]

If and when I get another opportunity. Oh, the only reason he's on the roster is that when Joe Burrow got hurt last time, he did a well enough job to say, you know what? We got a backup if Joe goes down for three to four weeks. We got a guy that can hold it in the road for us.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he would. Cut.

[Chad Johnson]

We have a self driving car. I been seeing a lot of self driving cars lately. I'm like, hold on. I saw the car driving around. Ocho. I'm looking at myself. I said, hold up, wait a minute. Ain't nobody driving.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, right, right, right.

[Chad Johnson]

So I pulled up to the thing and stopped and somebody got out. I said, I heard people talk about it. Oo but that's my first time seeing one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You never saw it. Right, right.

[Chad Johnson]

So that's what, that's what Jake Browning was. He was a self driving car like, man, Joe, out. Jake got this. We saw him against Jacksonville. You remember that Thursday night game OO against Jacksonville. Oh, yeah, he played well. That's what gave you the confidence to say what you were saying. Because you had seen him in moments like this, rise to the occasion, play extremely well. I don't know what happened. Because here's the thing. Ooh. Expectations are the number one killer of dreams and hopes and aspirations. Because see, it's easy. And I tell guys all the time, I said, you know what the easiest thing I ever did was make the Pro bowl because nobody was expecting it. Now guess what happens when they build a game plan around you and the defense build a game plan to stop you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait, hold on. Stay right there because I know you for the cook. Hold on now.

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on. Because let me tell you something. I got my. I got my pen and pad now. I know you from the go ahead now.

[Chad Johnson]

So that's what happens, Ocho. So you see what happened. Expectations. Jake Browning had immense expectations. Why? Oh, because the Cincinnati Bengals have immense expectations. Even though Joe burrows down, they believe, man, we have enough offensively to. To right this ship until Joe gets back. We got chase. We got the best receiver in football. We believe we got another top 15 receiver in football. We got a guy that can run the ball. There ain't no reason for us to be scoring 3 points, 10 points. Be down 34 to 3 going into the fourth quarter with the offensive weapons that we got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Chad Johnson]

So now the expectations. And you feel that living up. See, oo, it was easy. Your kids, See, your kids got expectations. You never had your dad, your dad, Ocho Cinco. Yeah, the Pro Bowler. The one that's on Nightcap.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Now they got expectations. You didn't have to deal with your mom, your people, like they might say, oh, you Hurricane Pauline, Paul Pauletta, son. But now you put so much expectations on your kids because the only people in the neighborhood knew you knew your mom, knew your grandma. You're a worldwide commodity. They see that last name, they say, hold on. What's your relationship to Ocho? That's my dad. That's your dad. Now what you play? You play. What you do, you do. So what you do in sports, Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

What you want to be when you grow up? Now you see, Jake Browning had those expectations with that offense. He was supposed. He wasn't supposed to be Joe Burrow. He was just supposed to be that self driving car to keep it in the road. Oh, you just don't crash. Yeah, that's all you got to do, son. I don't even need you to win this race. Just get the car around the track and don't crash. Keep it in first gear.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See, I told you it's finna cook.

[Chad Johnson]

Cause see, I already know what's gonna happen when you get the fourth. You can either burn the clutch out or you gonna script the gear. What you gonna do, Ocho? What are you gonna do?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on now, hold on. I don't need you to win the race. I just need you to get the car around the track. But that's a bar.

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[Chad Johnson]

Get it around the track, that's a bar.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't even understand. You don't even understand what you just did. Let me write this down. Hold on now. What you cooking? What? God damn, boy, you need to be a pastor.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, I don't. Jake. I don't need. Jake, you think we need you to be 15 and 2, right? Get us the 10. Can you. Can you get us to 11? Can you keep it? Can you get us to 10 and 7? Get us to 10 and 7. 10 and 7. Might be. Might be something. Might be something we can look at.

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Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

The. The Texans 1 and 4. The Titans 1 and 4. Okay. They got two teams in that division are playing really well. You got the AFC south, you got the Jags and you got the Colts.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They cutting up. They cutting up they cutting up. It's funny. Two of the teams are always three and four, now one and two, battling with a chance to win that division in the AFC South. Well, obviously, let me take that back, because when Peyton Manning was there, they dominated the AFC south for sure.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me just say it. As of recent, it hasn't been like that.

[Chad Johnson]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Basically, since Andrew Luck left, it hadn't been like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen, I'm excited you think about what we are, too, as a Bengal fan. I'm sure we have some Bengal fans in the chat and just fans of football in the chat in general. If you think about us and where we are right now. We at the bottom, huh? We at the bottom. There's nowhere else. There's no other place we can go but up from this point on.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Based on what we saw last week, there's only one place we can go. We got Flacco in there. I'm optimistic. I'm optimistic.

[Chad Johnson]

What choice do you have? Ocho, right.

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And then.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And a lot of people. You got some people, obviously. I hear some bagel fans. Oh, why we go get Joe Flacco? There were no viable options. They said about, well, why didn't we get anybody who could run? Why we didn't get anybody mobile? Who's out there that is mobile?

[Chad Johnson]

Call Amazon and see if they can see your quarterback. Exactly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This ain't. This ain't madness is real life. This is real life. What we need is not like quarterbacks or like. Like goddamn apple tree. You just go pick one, you want to replace the next one. That is one of the reasons why it's so difficult to not only find a quarterback, but find a transcending generational talent like a Joe Burrow.

[Lenovo Advertiser]

You can't repl.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Replace it.

[Chad Johnson]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't replace Lamar Jackson if he's injured. As you can see, with the Ravens struggling, you can't replace a goddamn Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes or Justin Herbert.

[Chad Johnson]

You can, but can we get. Can we get a Carson Wentz? Can he do what Carson Wentz is doing for the Minnesota Vikings until JJ McCarthy comes back? Because he's making it hard on Kevin OConnell to put JJ McCarthy ass back in the ball game, considering how well he's actually playing since JJ McCarthy's been out. More touchdowns, fewer interceptions. That's what it is. Now, look, in this situation, you're not going to make it difficult for them not to put Joe Burrow ass back in there. He's making far too much money and he's a far superior quarterback to what you are. But with that being said, bro, you gotta. This is how bad. This is how bad Jake Browning is. His QBR is actually higher than Joe Flacco. But when you desperate, Ocho a somebody said, man, look, if one aspirin, if, if two aspirin will clear your headache, you'll. You won't have a headache and say an hour. Well, and, and that's what Jerry Krause, Jerry Reinsdorf asked Michael Jordan. But it's a true analogy. You know, one aspirin, take two aspirins. Pain should subside, subside in a couple of hours. Well, if I take 10, it's probably gonna kill you. And. And he asked Mike, would you take 10? He said, well, how bad is my headache? A desperate person will do a desperate thing. Desperate teams do desperate things. This was a desperate move because in actuality, the quarterback that you had starting is actually playing better than the quarterback you're replacing him with. But let. When you see, when you get desperate on show. When you get desperate, you make desperate decisions. You don't think clearly. You don't see clearly. All I know is that my guy isn't playing well. Well, let's grab that guy. You do realize that guy got benched also? Yes, I can see if you got. Hey, I want to trade for your starter. No, you traded for a guy that got benched.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Can I say something? Yes, we traded for a guy that got benched, obviously. But the guy that got bench that's coming to the Bengals has a much better supporting cast around him right now. Now, again, the one issue I did say, because despite coming, despite coming here to a much better supporting cast, if that front four or that front five, when it is five, don't do what they need to do, they not can be a wall for two seconds. Give me a wall for two seconds. That's all I need. Give me two. If you could give me two, we can do something with one and five.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, you better, you better keep Flacco in the shotgun because it's gonna take him longer than three to getting his drop back pedal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's fine. That's fine. We can put it back there in the shotgun so we can already process. So we can already process. He can see what's in front of him right away.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And it doesn't take him that much long to get that ball out. And you know, one thing about Flacco, boy, he got an arm on him.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, he can throw it now. He can make. He can still make all the throws. Now he gonna throw chasing Higgins about three. Now he gonna throw the other team by two. Now it's just a matter of whether they're gonna catch him or not. Because he gonna give everybody. He's an equal opportunity employer. He believe, he believes in dei, diversity, equity, inclusion. So he, he gonna diversify. Touchdowns and interception, he gonna make it's equality and he going to defense and what the hell he doing. So I'm just letting y' all know. Bingo fans, you are. Listen, you remember him when he was at the Ravens. You remember him when he was at Cleveland. You already know. And you just got a glimpse of him earlier this year, so you know who and what he is. So if you think you're gonna get 2012 playoff flaco that, hey, he was never ever able to replicate. He could never really put a, a regular season together like he could those playoff runs. Oo he had some of the great playoff runs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A crazy work in the playoffs. Crazy work. But again, you think about what he had offensively with the Ravens even back then with that playoff run. Even with that run. Hell, I could just, I could. I honestly, I can honestly say throughout his, the entirety of his career, he ain't never had nothing like he got working with right now.

[Chad Johnson]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He had a better offensive line, but he ain't have. You know, I'm trying to think who was his running back back then. I don't even remember who his running back was. I know. Anquan Bold, Fevers, 27, 27, 27. Ray Rice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, I believe so.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I believe so. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

But I think the thing is, Ocho, he's gonna need time to throw. Like you said, he doesn't have mobility. He's not a guy that you can move. I mean, are you gonna move the pocket with him? You can't zone read with him. I mean, you're limited, basically. Hey, Ocho, he's a drop back. He's a prototypical 70s, 80 drop back quarterback. That's what he is. He's not like these quarterbacks that we have today. But all the quarterbacks, they are slightly mobile, some more than OB others. But oo he is what he is. And you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I mean, listen, even Joe, Joe Burrow ain't Lamar Jackson. Joe Burrow ain't goddamn Josh Allen. But his ability to manipulate the pocket and feel pressure and being able to escape it and make throws down the field is second to none. He's really good at escaping the pocket despite not being the considered dual threat that those quarterbacks I just named are. Listen, I'm hoping we do well in the onus. It all comes down to the officer line.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

As they go, the better they play, the better we play offensively.

[Chad Johnson]

I think they're going to try. You look, you go in the draft and you try to draft an offensive lineman, if somebody comes available, you know, Ocho in free agency, you get somebody to come to your team, you have to overpay because you're asking this man to uproot where he's been the last three, four, five years, six years, seven years. Who are he gotten comfortable. He's established himself in the community. If he has a wife, his wife is interested in the community. You got kids, they got friends and they been in school. So you're going to have to overpay to get one of those guys or an offensive tackle or a guard or a center to come join your team. So you're going to have to overpay to get one of those guys. And then, you know, you go in the draft and you try to find the best offensive lineman because you're going to be drafting pretty high up if this thing doesn't get turned around. Ojo, unfortunately, that's that, you know, you might end up being a top 10. And, and I don't know, like I said, I haven't seen any projections just yet, but there might be a situation where you have to go in and take alignment in the top 10. Now, we know, look, Anthony Munoz is the best offensive lineman that they've had. Willie. I know, hey, I know Big Willie, Big Willie, hey, he from my home state, went to Auburn. But you guys need, you guys need an offensive line bad o. Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, we, we do. We do. I'm. I'm just hoping those young bulls, those young bulls that we do have, especially those that have gotten paid, they, they've been paid a nice ransom. I'm hoping they can show up and, and, and, and pay dividends, you know, and play like the money that they received so far. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm excited for them, obviously, getting Joe Burrow. Despite where we are right now, we're still 2 and 3. The season is salvageable. I know what Joe can do. But the only way to allow Joe to cook, the only way he can be that chef, the head chef, is he needs a little time. If he get a little time on you give Joe anytime. Boy, he is surgical with that ball. That's for any of you that in the Chat that. No football. Even though he can't move. He got an arm on him.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got two of the best. He got. He got the best. Maybe, arguably, depending on who you ask the best dude to throw to. So I'm excited, I'm optimistic. And we can't go anywhere but up from here because we at the bottom of the barrel right now.

[Colin Coward]

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[Chad Johnson]

Kevin Stefanski was non committal on whether rookie Shador Sanders or practice squad Bailey Zappy would be the team's backup quarterback in the aftermath of trading Joe Flacco to the Bengals. Stefanski said he would let let the play, let the week play out and make the decision later. When asked about QB2 role, Stefanski also would not say if the team would sign Zappy to the active roster ahead of Sunday's game so that one of the backups would serve as the inactive emergency quarterback. Ocho, what are we doing? It's already been reported that Bailey Zappi was taking the mess a lot of the practice squad snaps.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I mean Kevin Stefanski is really enjoying this moment. He's Kevin Stefan is making the Browns organization basically Jerry Springer. He's making it basically Maury Povich When Maury Pon does the goddamn DNA test and the girl or the girl gets up screaming and they run around with the camera.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, that's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's exactly what he's making. He's making a mockery of the situation and enjoying it. Yeah, he's enjoying it. Just announce the goddamn quarterback. Who? Quarterback number two. If Bailey Zappy been taking the practice reps knowing that Shador Joe Flack, I'm gone. If Shador was already number three. And goddamn dealing with Gabriel goes to number one and jokes like I'm going, then that makes goddamn Stewart number two. Why are we playing these goddamn mind games?

[Chad Johnson]

Like, what are you, what are we doing? My thing was Ocho. If he was, let's just say for the sake of argument, Joe Flacco started okay, when Joe Flacco was there. Joe Flacco was one, Bailey Zappy was two. Excuse me, Dylan Gabriel was two, Shador was three. But the report said Bailey Zappi was getting the practice squad. They signed him off somebody else team and put him on their practice squad. And he comes in, are taking reps that Shador should be getting. So with that being said, I understood the assignment. Ain't no way Dylan Graber gonna be taking all those reps and somehow come game, come this reckless season, Shadour Sanders gonna pole vault in front of him. So if Bailey Zappi is taking those reps, practice squad reps. Oo. What's the likelihood? Now, I'm not saying it can't happen, but what's the likelihood?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I don't know what they're doing.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't know. I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure. Cleveland know what they do with. Maybe they're waiting on desean to come back. I don't know. It says he's been out there, he's been throwing, and I. I don't know, Ocho, but I just know. Look, they've. They've made a. A mockery of this. We've talked about Cleveland more in the first six weeks of this year than we have at any point in time. And it's not all good. But I don't know what, I really don't know what to make of this. It's. We gonna let it play out. What I'm trying to. What you gonna let play out? I can see if this was a training camp battle, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And let it play out. I'm trying to figure out what can someone do in a week of practice, Ocho, that's gonna change your mind from where you stand right now to move like, oh, well, he had a great week of practice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nothing.

[Chad Johnson]

Whoop dee doo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nothing at all again. That's why I said they're making a mockery of the situation. That's all. What's going on, guys built this little mini gym.

[Chad Johnson]

It's not a. It's. They're asking him. They're asking Shador. What. What do you know? What do you. What do you mean? As that's Dylan Gabriel, you ask him, what do you think about. I'm not playing. Ask Dylan Gabriel what does he think about Joe Flacco being traded. Why are you asking me? I'm the backup to the backup that got. That just got started. See, they always trying to put a microphone because they always trying to get him to slip up. They always trying to catch him off his guard. Ocho. They tried to. They. They always trying. They don't ask. They don't ask any other quarterback. They don't ask the third string or they don't ask the practice squad guy, what do you think about somebody getting traded? But somehow the microphone always seemed to find Shador. They're hoping he mess up. They hope he has a proverbial slip. You see, that's why he's not starting. You see, he needs to keep his mouth closed. You see, this is why he.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He is a news cycle. It's the last name. In general, they haven't had somebody this polarizing, that's not even in. That's not even in an important role as of yet. They never had anybody like this before. They have it and they don't even know how to handle the situation in general. Most of the time in a situation like this, when you have something as polarizing, a polarizing figure like that, you. You do everything you can to stay away from it. But no, they're engaging with it in purpose to keep the Cleveland Browns in the news cycle. No different than the goddamn Dallas Cowboys, right?

[Chad Johnson]

No damn different, man. If I was to do. I say, look, man, if. When I'm starting with when, When Coach Stefanski tell me I'm starting, then I talk to you guys. What other backup quarterback they talking to?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't do that though. But you understand the rules, though, you know, you understand the rules.

[Chad Johnson]

But I'm trying to figure out. Oh, I'm trying to think. They're not asking James Winston no question. They not asking Russ any question. Now all the questions are to Jackson darting car.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, right, right.

[Chad Johnson]

So I'm My only thing is. Okay, so why do you continually ask a backup that's not playing. Why are you continuously asking. Why are you continuously asking them questions? What do you hope? What do you. What do you hope to get from him?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can tell you what they hoping.

[Chad Johnson]

I can sound like I'm not. I know what they're hoping also.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, they, they. They hoping. Like when you go to the army, like when you go to the Marines, like when you go to the Navy. They're trying to break you in the beginning to see if you are the one. Are you built for this? Mentally, that's all they waiting on. Snap.

[Chad Johnson]

Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They waiting on them to snap.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm telling you, he has to understand.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can see. I can see the plate. I can see the play all the way. I can see the play way before it happened. All the way before a start. How can you not see it if you understand the game and the game that they're playing? I can see it in clear as day, your owner coming out and saying some of the things he said. True training camp. Oh, I see what this is. Okay, now I got to play the game. I see what you. I see what y' all trying to do, right? You got to play the game. Now. You, you in their structured environment, you got to play by their rules.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you're right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, listen, even. Even I was in that position at one point. My feet ain't wet. I got my toe in the water. I got my toe in the water, but my feet ain't wet just as of yet, but. But once I got in the water fully. Oh, but you seen, you seen every bit of Dade County, Liberty City.

[Colin Coward]

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[Anna Hall]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Come up out of me.

[Chad Johnson]

Anna hey ladies and gentlemen, we got a very special guest joining us. We got the world champion and the help Tathlon, which signifies the greatest woman hip t athlete in the world. The world. She won gold in Tokyo. She won silver in Budapest. She won bronze. And Eugene, Florida Gator alumni. Here she is, Anna Hall. Anna, how are you?

[Anna Hall]

Hello.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm good.

[Anna Hall]

How are you?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm good.

[Chad Johnson]

Let's start with this. I saw a thing a Year, maybe a year ago, maybe it was leading up to the Olympics, where Jackie Joyner, who happens to be the greatest hept athlete ever created back to back gold medals in 88, 92, won the silver in 84. She even won the gold medal in the long jumping soul and then won bronze, bronze in Barcelona and Atlanta. When you, when you sit down and talk to her, what did she tell you that gave you the confidence that, you know what? I can be an Olympic champion. I can be a world champion.

[Anna Hall]

Yeah, I think she's spoken like so much into me, which I'm so thankful for. I actually talked to her today, very close, but really from the first time I met her, she was always just like, no, I see it in you. Like I believe in you and I know you can do this. And she started telling me that back in 2022 when I was still on the team at the University of Florida, actually. So for her to say that when I was so young and I feel like I didn't see it in myself yet really made a difference. And then now along the way, she'll like, like she was texting me in between events in Tokyo and she knows, she knows the standards like I have for myself. So yes, even when some of them weren't what I wanted, she was like, keep your head up, like you've got this. Just let it go.

[Chad Johnson]

And to the next event.

[Anna Hall]

It means so much because I know she's been there. Like, I know she knows exactly what I'm feeling in those situations when we're down under the stadium trying to regroup.

[Chad Johnson]

So you, she, that world record. She said that in Seoul, 7291. If I'm not mistaken, she was the first woman to generate 7,000 points in the heptathlon. You reached that mark. I know she's your mentor, I know she's your role model, but you like. Yeah, I kind of. I kind of, you know, 7,300 sound real nice.

[Anna Hall]

That does sound nice. I mean, ways away from just 7,000 and I'm just like slowly trying to reel her in. But I think the better I get, the more I realize I'm like, she put that record so far out there.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Anna Hall]

When you think about it, that, like, Nobody's been within 200 points of it. Like, that's insane. Um, I would argue maybe it's like one of the hardest maybe if not the hardest record in all of track and field. Um, I think the world athletic rankings would agree with me. So it's very, very motivating. But I'm like, okay, it's going to take like perfect conditions, perfect training, literally everything I could possibly do correct over the next few years to chase that down.

[Chad Johnson]

You might have to set personal best and everything because like I said, she won the gold medal in the long jump. So that gets. She could run 22 seconds for 200 meters. She could run into 12 for the hurdles. So she would. So you, I mean it might take a personal. In every event, all of this, Anna, in order for you to eclipse that record. Because she was on that day and that day, like you said, perfect conditions. She had trained Bobby, had peaked her at the right time because she had just gotten married to Bobby a couple years earlier because she was just Jackie Jordan 84 in LA. And then when she comes to soul in 88, she was favored to win in 84. And then the last event she got nipped. But it's going to take perfect conditions. It's going to take you at your absolute apex.

[Anna Hall]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

And you would have to hit every mark.

[Anna Hall]

Yeah, exactly. Something I was super focused on even this year though was like raising my like perfect score, which people say, like, obviously you're probably not actually going to do seven PRs, but people keep a record of like what do your PRs add up to? And so finally, this is the first year my PR is actually due. I think it's like 7303. And so I'm like, I need to bump that up to like 74. To give yourself some wiggle room, some.

[Chad Johnson]

Margin for error because like you said, the likelihood of up yard in seven events over two days, we're asking an awful lot of that body.

[Anna Hall]

Yes, exactly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

One of the questions I want to, I want to ask obviously when it comes to some of the goals that you've already, you already want and you those that you haven't achieved yet, how do you keep from keeping that? The main thing obviously, because when you have something that you focus on, you focus on that one goal and you want to break a record so bad, most of the time you end up pressing and we end up pressing. Obviously you're not really running as free as you should. How do you, how do you balance both of wanting to achieve breaking the record without pressing and just running your race?

[Anna Hall]

Yeah, yeah, it's definitely a hard balance. I think when I've chased marks like that, like even when I was first chasing down like 7,000 points the first time I was close, I missed it like by 12 points and I was like pressing for it so hard. And so fortunately Right now, honestly, with her record being what it is, I'm. It's not like I'm expecting to get it tomorrow. I know this is gonna be. It's gonna take a full body of work, and it's something, you know, maybe we'll aim for. For the LA 2028 Olympics would be like the perfect storybook place to ever do it. But I know it's not like when I step on the track tomorrow, I'm putting the pressure on myself to get it. And having the injuries that I've had in my career, I think I've learned not to let people rush me. Like, I would love to do a world record for you all. As much as you guys would love to see it, I would love to do it. But they don't just happen like that. And I'm only 24, which in track years is not very old. So I'm just trying to be patient with myself and make sure that I'm looking long term at my full development.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, because it's a lot of strain on your body. And Jackie dealt with a lot of hamstring issues, if you notice. I remember watching her, she would always have that hamstring taped up because you got to jump, you gotta run, you gotta throw. So it's just so much. And you're pushing yourself to maximum capacity. And even though you're not necessarily trying to win the race, although you would like to win, you're going against the standard, which they've. That you already upset. And so that's asking an awful lot. I say that to transition to this. What is your strongest event? What's your weakest event? What are you trying to, like, if I. If I can just get my weakest, you know, three quarters of what my strongest is, I think that gives me an excellent opportunity as well.

[Anna Hall]

Yeah, yeah. I think I would say my strongest event, I feel like I have to say the 800 since I broke like the peptathlon vest in it. So probably the 800. And I would say my weakest event is definitely the long jump. Everybody, everybody, it's not a secret. Everyone knows that. I feel like most people are holding their breath when I get to the long jump. I have injured myself on a long jump board before, so I definitely have a lot of, like, it's a block.

[Chad Johnson]

So you got something in your head.

[Anna Hall]

Yes, exactly. And it's something that on paper I should be really good at because I'm relatively fast and track and then, yeah, my best events as well. So you would think. But it's coming, guys. So that's definitely the big one where I have a lot of room to grow because even to my own PR, I jumped like 60 centimeters less, which is a lot at Worlds than my own personal best. And I think I even have room to grow on top of that. So that's where I see most of.

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[Anna Hall]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Were you a health. Were you half tatholite in high school? I mean, what made you decide to focus? Because, you know, we didn't have that. So, you know, you ran. You could only run three solo events and you could run the two relays, so you could only compete in five events. So I guess they had. I guess they had hepth elites and the catholes coming along when you were in high school.

[Anna Hall]

Yeah, so I actually, I did the heptathlon in club track and then in high school track that we had a role. It was like four events you could enter of anything. So I usually run like one or two relays, sometimes the long hurdles, high jump. I was good at long jump then, so long jump then. So really just whatever the team needed. But when I was for starting track, I really loved the 800 and 1500 and high jump. And they like, don't go together at all. No, I actually remember I told my dad, like, I want to be the first person to go to the olympics in the 1500 and the high jump. And he like, of course, laughed in my face. It was like, this doesn't really work like that. Like, love that you're dreaming big, but like, let's focus. And so since he had done the decathlon, he was like, why don't you try this and put me in one? And as soon as I did one, I knew that that was definitely what I wanted to do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you know what? As a former track athlete myself, and I'm thinking about the tedious process and what it takes to even get at the level you're at being elite where track it takes up most of your life. What do you like to do outside of track? You know, being that track is everything you're always asked about, everything you talk about. Where's your other sense of peace where you can just exhale and be like, okay, this is what I love. This is what I'm passionate about. This is what I'm enthusiastic about when I'm, when I able to get away from.

[Anna Hall]

Yeah, honestly, I don't get much time away training for all seven events. It's like I basically signed up for seven times the work and the same Working for the same metal, same goal. But when I do get away from track, the main thing for me, honestly, is my family and my friends. I have three sisters, so any time or weekends that I can steal with them is really how I feel. Like I turn my brain off and then getting up to. I'm in my off season right now, so I'm up visiting my boyfriend. That's definitely a way I can, like, turn my brain off, spend time with my dog. I don't have many hobbies besides track, honestly, which something I'm going to work on. I'm trying to become a better chef. Maybe this off season, start things I don't usually make. We're starting not in the best place, but I was like, one week every week I'm gonna make something I've never made before and then kind of just pick up new hobbies like that.

[Chad Johnson]

Who you gonna test it out on? This boyfriend? If you want to. You wanna. You wanna tell the name?

[Anna Hall]

Yes, you can know. Darius. Darius Slayton is my boyfriend. And so.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait, my brother, New York giant Darius.

[Anna Hall]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Anna Hall]

Which I'm sure he.

[Chad Johnson]

So is he. Is he. Is he the. The guinea pig you try every week? You're like, hey, honey, look what I made for you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Anna Hall]

I was like, we're one weekend, and I went safe and it's decent. But he's. He will be brutally honest with me, which I appreciate. He will always tell it to me straight. So I know I'm going to come with my A game and look up maybe the simplest recipes and, like, the easiest not to mess up.

[Chad Johnson]

So, so what do. What, what do you like cooking? You like cooking breakfast food? You like cooking? I mean, are you a brunch type of a lady? Are you. You. I mean, you shrimp scampi or you like, you know, chicken parm? Are you. I mean, what, what, what. What's anaholic? So if somebody said, you know what, Anna, I want you to make me your favorite dish tonight. What you. What you cooking?

[Anna Hall]

My favorite dish is definitely breakfast. I think I do a good breakfast.

[Chad Johnson]

That's my favorite meal.

[Anna Hall]

Yeah. My favorite meal of the day. I could eat it for. I eat it for dinner sometimes.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, Yes.

[Anna Hall]

I make like a. Basically like an egg scramble bowl with like, mashed up hash browns. Sausage, chicken, sausage, peppers, onions, spinach. You could eat all, like, all in the bowl. I eat that for breakfast, like every day before training.

[Chad Johnson]

So I forgot you doing seven events. Yes, you can eat that. That. That ain't nothing. You probably could eat Two of those.

[Anna Hall]

No, eating enough is a struggle. Honestly, that's like one of my biggest off track battles, so.

[Chad Johnson]

Right, so let me ask you, let me ask you this. What's a, what's a training session? Like are you doing all seven events in one day? Are you picking things? Hey, I'm work on this one. Two events today and then Tuesday I work on another two events and then X, Y and Z. Like that or how are you doing it?

[Anna Hall]

I usually do three events in a day and a lift. So the running joke at our group is that they call me nine to five because they're like, you're at the track from nine to five every day. But I usually do like an example Monday would be hurdles and then I would shot put and then take a little break, maybe like 30, 40 minutes for lunch, come back and high jump. And then I probably get to the weight room around like 4 get done. That waits at like 5:30 and so that I started at 10. So pretty much going from like 10 to 5:30. It just takes a lot, a lot of time to learn all that technique.

[Chad Johnson]

You've gotten, you've gotten better at the shot. I saw you in the shot. I was like, okay, okay, I see, I see the hit.

[Anna Hall]

Thank you. I was proud of that one. That used to be a weakness for sure. I maybe would have named that before I named long jump like a few years ago. So I was super proud of that. And the Europeans are like such good throwers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was like, and you should be.

[Chad Johnson]

Too because of your body type, how long you are. Yes, you should be, you should be able to launch the shot. Because I'm looking at your, your body type and you look at them, they thought I'm like, hold on. How you. Yeah, you shouldn't be able to throw it. I mean it look like they throwing it like it's a BB.

[Anna Hall]

Yeah, exactly. My first like U20 worlds, I was like, there is no way this, like I'm the same size as this girl. Like I used to tell myself like one too small. Like. And I was like, I'm the same size. This girl in her shop, it's going 2 meters farther than mine. So I was like, we have to catch up. The Europeans have typically just start technical events before us so they have a little bit of a jump start. But yes, I'm happy I was able to catch up and pass most of the girls that I needed to. So.

[Chad Johnson]

Because you know, most like you said like the throws and the jumps, the speed events, the Americans, you know, the 200. The hurdles, you know, things that, you know the things that require speed. But man, when you look at stuff that, that's a lot of technique. I'm like, I'm be looking, I'll be looking at them like how you do that?

[Anna Hall]

Yeah, yeah, it is, it is crazy because the stereotype is that like we're more, we're faster, we're more powerful and then they're just efficient with how they work and their form and all of that. And actually which I feel like I can. It's not her, but her. One of the coaches of my rivals. Like when I first came on the scene they were like, oh, there's an American hept athlete. Like we haven't had a lot in a while. And he was like, oh well she's just fast, like of course typical of the Americans. But like she has no technique. I remember that like two years ago I was like, like I'm to work on my shot foot and my javelin. So definitely I had a chip on my shoulder there.

[Chad Johnson]

Right. So what, how do you fuel so for, for a training session? How do you. So you eat the bowl. So you got scrambled eggs, you got hash, you got sausage, you got peppers. Okay, now you go to the track. So you probably, probably. I mean at the weight you're at the, the work you're expending, the, the calories that you're expending, you probably could eat about 3,000 calories a day.

[Anna Hall]

Yeah, probably. I mean I don't count calories, but I would bet that that's close to what I'm eating.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Anna Hall]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

I get a break. You, you, you try, you eat breakfast. How soon after you eat breakfast do you head to the track? You give yourself an hour for it to digest?

[Anna Hall]

No, I, sure I wake up as late as I can, but I let it digest in the warm up. I'll be fine. But I have a protein shake usually after my first event and then when I break, I break for lunch and so I'll eat like some, something with meat. I don't calories, I count protein. So. Okay, trying to get like 100, 120 grams a day, which for someone my size is a lot.

[Chad Johnson]

That's absolutely, that's, it's, that's damn near. That's a cow. A pound.

[Anna Hall]

Yeah, a lot. I weigh a lot more than 120 pounds.

[Chad Johnson]

But no, but I'm saying it's almost. But I'm saying but if you think about it, 100, 100 grams of protein. 120 grams of protein. That's a lot of cat. And then when you throw in, I mean, maybe rice or, you know, some type of leafy vegetable, kale, you know, things like that. I mean, you, you. You getting a large. So now, okay, you go back to the track, you wind down. What's dinner really?

[Anna Hall]

Depends. I feel like I usually. I like steak a lot. I eat a lot of steak. So, like a chipotle bowl.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Anna Hall]

If I'm being lazy or I cook sometimes I'll make, like, crab cakes and like, a pasta dish, something hearty like that. And then I usually have you taking.

[Chad Johnson]

That kind of time to cook, Emma?

[Anna Hall]

Yeah, it depends on the day and then. But I want to cook more, so that's my. I'm trying to get better at it. And then before bed, I usually make myself, like, a Greek yogurt bowl just to, like, get my last protein calories in, which, yeah, typically has been a struggle for me. But we got it dialed in this year, so now I have my regimen.

[Chad Johnson]

So do you.

[Anna Hall]

You have.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do you have a nutritionist? Is everything always on the healthy side?

[Anna Hall]

Do you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do you have any cheat meals like McDonald's? Like, I. I love to consume. Or is everything always. It has to be predicated towards what you do.

[Anna Hall]

I honestly feel like my mom did a really good job when we were growing up. I like healthy food because that's what I grew up on. But my coaches and my nutritionist all the time are like, eat something dirty, like, go have the pizza, have the burger or whatever. So they're always telling. Reminding me of that. So dinner sometimes will be something like that. But really, the thing is, I have a sweet tooth, so I try to keep my main meals clean. So then I'm like, okay, cookies, cake, ice cream. By the time I've eaten all of that food, I'm not that hungry for a giant sweet treat. But I will. I won't tell myself no if I want, like, if I'm before bed, I want ice cream or I want a little cookie or something. Like, I pretty much never know.

[Chad Johnson]

But that's the thing that people get confused, Anna, is that you don't realize how hard it is to consume a healthy diet. When you eat chicken, you eat chicken fish, or you eat lean cuts of protein and you eat leafy vegetables and you eat brown rice or white rice or whatever to try to get to the allotment that you are. It takes a lot. I mean, you just get. Sometimes. I mean, I. When I was trying to consume 4, 000 calories a day, but it was healthy, bro. I just, I just got you so much. I'm just like, nah, bro, I'm good.

[Anna Hall]

No, exactly. And that's honestly where off season I was like, I lose muscles so fast just because I'm like, I don't have to force myself to eat anymore. So I won't. And then I start, I restart our fall training like 10 pounds lighter. And my coaches are like, all right, let's go.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Anna, thank you for joining us. Congratulations on, on the, the world championship gold medal. We got the ultimate. You obviously you're going to compete in that next year, correct?

[Anna Hall]

Yes, I'm gonna try for. They don't have the multi, which is a little bit rude, but I'm gonna compete in probably the high jump or the foreigner hurdles. I'll run on the circuit to qualify.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. Okay. Look at that. That's, that's what Jackie did.

[Anna Hall]

So I'm gonna do my best to qualify and make it there.

[Chad Johnson]

That would be, that would be unbelievable because they're not very, they're not very many women or athletes in that point decathletes that can go into an open event and be competitive. Which I do believe you could be in the 400 hurdles. I do believe you can be that because I've seen you run and you have the endurance because you're graded 800. So you have the strength to run. The question is, you know that lactic acid build up about the 300 mark?

[Anna Hall]

Yes. Yes. No. Those girls are so good at it. And so I'm excited to give it like hopefully a better effort than I have in the past because usually I just run them on a whim, but I really want to focus on it a little bit more next year.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, congratulations. I know things are not going well for the Giants, but tell them keep his head up, stay healthy and yes, when you come back and when you win the ultimate, when you come back and you, you do something special, come back and join us and tell us about it, please.

[Anna Hall]

Will do. Thank you very much.

[Chad Johnson]

Thank you. Thank you for joining us. Anna hall, world champion hept athlete. Thank you. Anna Ocho. We got breaking news. Another major trade between the Jags and the Browns. Jaguars get cornerback Greg Newsome and Jets 2026 Six round picks from the Brown. Browns get Tyson Campbell. The Eagles 2026 seventh round pick from the Jag. The trade partners from the night of the 2025 draft now pull off another mid season trade.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen, that, that's, that, that's a good try. That's a good Trade. Now, I don't understand why they.

[Chad Johnson]

For the Jags. Yeah, the Jags going for it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. Listen, especially for the Jags.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

I. And this is the thing I would get ready to say. Greg Newsom is. Is a phenomenal unc for sure. Greg Newsom ain't no slouch. You know, we. We understand what Denzel Ward is on the other side, but when they try to go to Greg Newsom's side, but that young boy can play some ball. So this is a win for the Jags and with great understanding on why they did it, because, oh, we. We finna push all our chips to the front. We pushing all our chips to the front because we really believe we have a chance right now with the way Trevor Lawrence is playing.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's respectable. And if you're a Jaguars fan, I commend ownership. I commend you, GM And I commend your goddamn head coach. They done pushed all they chips on the table. We going in. Hey, unk the chat. Funny as hell, Unc.

[Chad Johnson]

What happened?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They just been going in on you? They going in on me talking about I look like Devoid. I look like a Mexican with his damn flannel on.

[Chad Johnson]

What? They going on me for? What I do? Go ahead. What I do, Ocho?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They kill. They killing me.

[Chad Johnson]

What they say I do? Hold on, Chad. What I do? Oh, I was just asking. I was just asking questions. Damn. I can't ask no questions.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It ain't funny, boy.

[Chad Johnson]

Look, I know you guys think. But here's the real. When it comes to track and field, I don't have a research team. I'm old enough to remember y'. All. I'm 57, so I go all the way back. I remember the 84 Olympics. I remember Seoul. I remember Barcelona. I remember Atlanta. I remember Athens. I said, what y' all want me? I remember Sydney was in 2000 after Wizard 04. Beijing was. Was 8. London was 12, Rio was 1621. I remember what y' all want me to do. I remember the world championships when they came out. I'm sorry that y' all can't remember your way home. That is my fault. I've told you, if you know Shannon Sharp, if you watch me at any point in time, I told people my favorite sport is track and field. Yes, I love football, and I know the history of football. I know the history of basketball, but I love track and field. It's. I playing around the track and field. I mean, if I didn't really have to talk about Football, I go to the gym. But when track and field on, I ain't going nowhere. It's the only sports that I watch with the sound. No other sport will I watch with the sound. And to. To. For them to take their time out, to come on nightcap. What other platform other than my boy Justin Gatlin, his partner, that give track and field athletes the platform like we do?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, well, yeah, you're right. You're right by that. Hey, you know what?

[Chad Johnson]

I'm sorry that, you know, I ask questions that I think the chat would want to hear. What do you eat? What are your training sessions? Like X, Y and Z? Yes. So I'm. I'm just. I'm confused at what y' all think I'm supposed to do. Like. Like stutter or go through it. Yes. There are no notes on here with Anna Hall. I know who she is. I know she's a Florida alum. I know she from Colorado.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, yeah, y' all don't worry about it. Cause they still killing me. They told me I look like Jody from Baby Boy.

[Chad Johnson]

Man, people weird. I mean, like. Like I'm not supposed to ask any questions. Like I'm supposed to be like, what do you. What do you like? No, I know that. I know the history. I can't wait for us to have Ryan Krauser on so I can talk to him about the shot. The greatest. The greatest shot putter ever. Anna was talking about the Jackie's record that she said in Seoul. 7291. Seems unbreakable. That woman shot put, the USSR. Ain't nobody breaking that one. No, no, no, no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you know what? You know what's funny? Is the same way you are about track and field. One of the one sporting one, one.

[Chad Johnson]

Of the ones you like that about soccer.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, my God. Well, soccer come on. My phone on do not disturb on Saturday. I'm mad I fly to London in the morning. My flight at 5 o'. Clock. I'm mad that I'm going to London. And everybody on goddamn international break. Everybody on international break. So that would be a perfect time for me to catch a goddamn. I can sneak and go catch a game, right?

[Chad Johnson]

Everybody gone Ocho. Does this mean we'll see Travis full time on offense? Greg Newsom was the number 26 pick in the 2021 NFL Draft. Tyson Campbell was picked 33 in that same draft, just seven picks apart.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what? I'm curious what they're going to do because they have a phenomenal nigga in Jordan Lewis. Right. I'm not sure who's on the other side, but, you know, Greg Newsom is coming in on one side and he's gonna. He's gonna be that guy. That guy can do it. I still think they know Travis Hunter wants to continue to contribute on defense. I think he'll continue to have those packages. They're going to find ways to fit him in there at some point. But what we saw offensively. He's too dynamic. Huh. They have to find ways of getting the ball on offense. He's too dynamic. You put the ball in the area, anywhere in the vicinity, he's going to make that play. Especially those jump balls that are 50.

[Chad Johnson]

Where he can showcase his athleticism.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. They become 8020 with somebody like that. Yeah. So, I mean, listen, he, he's too dynamic, you know, in showing flashes of brilliance in which we saw at Colorado on both sides of the ball. So I hope they allow him to continue to doing. Doing this thing on both sides. Have given them a. A healthy. A healthy count on both sides of the ball. We going to be effective and efficient, but they don't overload him. He's able to play at his best on both sides, and that's what it.

[Chad Johnson]

Comes down to because they, they. They need a, A special player.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

On one side of the ball or other. It doesn't work for them if he's average on both sides of the ball. Ojo, he has to be dynamic on one or the other.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

Because that's why you traded up Ocho. That's why you gave up what you gave up to get him. Because if you gave up what you get it and you just got an average player, that, that doesn't make sense to me. So let him be dynamic. Let him be dynamic. And then you, like you said, bring him in on the package. I, me personally, I still think he's better at defense. I think his instincts, his ball skills are just second to none. I, I know you like it because of the jump ball, but right now it's just athleticism. Now, once he learns the route tree, I give prime example. Tyreek. Remember when Tyreek first came in, he was a gadget guy, and then all of a sudden Tyreek learned the route tree. Tyreek has played his way into a Hall of Famer.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

Travis Hunter has that kind of ability. He just gotta get better at running around. Right now they only run him on spots and jump balls.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. If I could get. If I could. Trav, I know you're gonna see this. If I can get with you in the off season.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, that'd be great for him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Trav, I need you for two months. Two months? We working four days a week. All I need is an hour. An hour? Your time for four weeks. I know you already have your training. I'm not trying to step on nobody toes. I'm talking about running routes.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm talking about giving the illusion of doing something that you're really not at full speed. Oh, my goodness, brother, what I could do with you. Oh, my goodness, what I could do.

[Chad Johnson]

Hopefully he takes you up on that. Ocho, man, listen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now, you know that's my specialty. Now.

[Chad Johnson]

I do, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Trav, come on. Holl at your boy in the off season. I don't need much time. I would day. That's it. Route running. I wish they would come up there and play press. Come on up here if you want to.

[Bobby Bones]

Hey, it's Bobby from the Bobby Bone Show. I had an incredible time at this year's iHeartRadio music festival and even got the chance to hang out with Diplo and Bailey Zimmerman while I was there. How did Ashes come together? Diplo?

[Chad Johnson]

I pulled up real quick.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He was about to leave on tour.

[Chad Johnson]

You're about to jump in your tour bus.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And we had like three hours.

[Chad Johnson]

It was really cool. He really just, like, randomly showed up to my house and like, oh, hey, diploma, what are you doing? He's like, I have a song that I want to show you. And I was like, okay, you can.

[Bobby Bones]

Listen to the full episode out now, wherever you get your podcast. And big shout out to my friends at Hyundai for making this possible. Had a blast cruising around festival weekend in the all new Palisade hybrid.

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