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Nightcap - Hour 1: Joe Johnson joins the show to discuss the Warriors beating the Lakers, & Ja Morant is at it again with the finger guns!
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Joe Johnson
What's up?
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Shannon Sharpe
What's going on?
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Joe Johnson
What's up? What's up? Oh, Joe, man, y'all. What y'all got going on, man?
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Unknown
Hey, right here, living.
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Shannon Sharpe
We appreciate you staying up late at night, boys. Bro, we appreciate this.
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Joe Johnson
Oh, no problem, man. I couldn't miss this. I appreciate y'all for having me on the show, all the success you guys had, man, and continued success. So I really appreciate y'all. I'm a huge fan.
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Unknown
Yes, sir.
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Shannon Sharpe
I appreciate this. The warriors beat the Lakers 123, 116. The Lakers cut the lead once. 16 point, fourth quarter lead. They got it down to five, but they couldn't get over the hump. The dubs bench outscored The Lakers bench 26 to 7. LeBron 33 points, 9 assists, 5 rebounds. Austin Reeves 31.6 rebounds. Roy 24.6 rebounds. Luka had 19 points on 6 and 17 shooting, 8 rebounds, 7 assists. Brad, in the first half, pods outscored Luka. And LeBron, he. LeBron, he had 22. They combined for 16. Um, I think the kind of the difference in this ball game, Joe, correct me if I'm wrong, and I know you watched it, was the bench. The bench production. One team, bench gave them 26, because you kind of got, okay, Steph had 37, but LeBron gave you 33. And then when you factor in Austin Reeves, okay, so that's a push. Now, Jimmy Butler and Draymond, Luka kind of offset them. But so if you get offset, offset now, where is that production going to come from? And you see the Golden State warriors benchmark, they outscored the lakers bench by 19. And the difference in the ball game, I think, was what, seven points? 123 to 116. When you watch this ball game, what did you like or what didn't you like from what you saw in this ball game?
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Joe Johnson
First off, when I. I seen Bron come in with them purple overalls, man, I knew it was going to be some trouble. He came to work.
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Shannon Sharpe
You say he coming to work today.
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Joe Johnson
Hey, but I thought it was a great game, man. They got off to a hot start. Both teams was on fire to start the game. And yeah, it came down to the bench, and that's kind of what it's going to be like in the playoffs, you know, that game going to kind of slow down a little bit. And I like what the warriors got. They got a bunch of guys over there, man, who ain't scared to take the big shot, make big plays, and create big opportunities. So they came into LA with it on their mind tonight.
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Shannon Sharpe
Because normally the Lakers have had their way with the warriors over the last several years, they've had. LeBron has been sensational. He was sensational again tonight. What was he, 10 or 15? He didn't take a whole lot of shots. He was very, very efficient. I Sometimes, Joe, he overpassed the ball. And I think if you watch him now, starts the game in pass mode, he's not looking to attack. He's looking, okay, Austin, you go do your thing. Okay, Luca, you do your thing. He's not in a mode where he's like, okay, I can go get mine. And if you go back and look, say, the last seven, eight games, the first half, he has not played well. He's. Most of the time he's under double digits in the first half, and then he picks it up as he goes. This was by far the best game that he's played since that injury. Me seeing it and, you know, I watch all the games, Joe, but I thought this was his best game. The second half, he became aggressive. He wasn't aggressive to start with 25 points in the second half. I think he had 14 in the third quarter, 11 in the 11 in the fourth, in the third. Fourth quarter. But what did you like about what you saw from LeBron tonight as opposed to the previous night, coming back from this injury?
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, this seemed like it was probably the. The. The best game he's had since the injury. He was in pretty good rhythm, but, yeah, he does. He. It seems like he kind of comes out a little unselfish early to kind of get those guys in rhythm and get them going. And sometimes it kind of hurts him kind of late because. Selfish, you know what I mean? Yeah, but I seen him. He did the same thing today, and it's like in the second half, he felt like, okay, I got to give us something in order for us to win. But, yeah, I think sometimes with him being a little too unselfish, I think it kind of, you know, hurts his rhythm, because in basketball, bro, you know the scores. And I know he do a lot of things for the Lakers, a lot of good things for him as well. You know, scoring is a rhythm game. You know what I mean? So it's hard to just you know, with him coming out, he may have 10, 12 assists in the first half, but offensively he'll have a rhythm to get his own, you know, and it takes him a little while.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
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Unknown
Hey, Joe, you don't think somebody like LeBron that's experienced as LeBron, he can't come into a game and facilitate first, knowing that the games he's had previously, they haven't been as he hasn't been LeBron, the LeBron that we're used to seeing, he can't come into a game and facilitate and allow the game to come to him instead of being aggressive out front.
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Joe Johnson
Man, I think Brian know he can do whatever he want at this point. Honestly, I think you got. You gotta. He gotta. He know he has another level or two. He's gonna have to go. Especially when the playoffs start. Right. Like right now they just trying to finish the season, obviously get great seeding, but he knows when the playoffs start.
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Unknown
Yes, sir.
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Joe Johnson
We gonna see a whole different LeBron. We gon to okay.
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Shannon Sharpe
I think the difference is now, though. Oo you say can he just facilitate, but now he has another ball handler. Yeah. So where it was just him and Austin Reeves, now he's going to get his shots. Now you got Luca. Luca's going to get 20 plus shots a night. Austin Reeves wants somewhere between 15 to 20 shots a night. There's only so many shots can go around. So where he could normally get his rhythm because he knows he's going to be able to get those shots now Luca and Austin Reeves, because he's coming into his own, they're cutting into that. So he can't wait like he once could to just go get his shots because they're going to come few and far between because now if Luka gets going now, you're not going to get any shots because you don't want to take him out of his rhythm.
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Joe Johnson
Right.
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Shannon Sharpe
We've seen Austin Reeves get going. You don't want to take him out of his rhythm. And the farther they get going and stay in their rhythm, the further you get removed from being in your rhythm. So it gets harder and harder as we get the older. And now he have two guys that can take up some of the scoring slack.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, I agree.
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Shannon Sharpe
What do you think about that, Joe?
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Joe Johnson
I think tonight with Austin Reaves and everybody getting off to such a great start, he kind of fed off that. That's kind of. He goes really into real passive mode and he just keeps feeding them until, you know, they kind of cool off and then that's when he tries to pick up. And I think that's the thing that kind of hurts him from time to time. But like I said, man, when the playoffs start, it's going to be a whole totally different ball game. I'm looking forward to it.
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Shannon Sharpe
But what did you like about what you saw from Steph? Because Steph, he saw pods have it going early. He didn't force anything. Now all of a sudden he's putting the ball on the floor. You gotta try to run him off the three. He knows you're gonna try to run him off the three. So now he has the ability to sidestep you, still get off the three or put the ball on the floor and get to the rim. Even though he's not an above the rim player, he's magic around the basket.
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Joe Johnson
He don't have to be above the rim player because he shoots so great from the outside that if he raises eyebrow, you gonn.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, so he knows that.
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Joe Johnson
He knows that. So his in between game is so good. Whether he's shooting floaters or whether he dishing Drakemont for he layups or spraying out to Moody for three. So you know he has a defense in the hucklebuck and if he don't run out there with some emphasis or some urgency, you know it's going in.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, right. And also if you think about it, he and Draymond, because, you know, because they shoot so many threes. Yeah. They're better rebounding team than you think. Even though they're small, because they get up so many threes and the ball's coming off everywhere and guys are scrambling and they get the rebound. So they're going to out rebound a lot of teams even though they're small. You think like, oh man, we gonna punish him on the glass. No, you're not. Yeah, no you're not.
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Joe Johnson
Because you got Draymond and Jimmy Butler who are Luke Collins workers. And they gonna do all the little things, box down and rebound and do the nasty dirty work that a lot of guys not gonna do. And it's gonna result into a lot of second chance opportunities for those guys to kick out and shoot threes.
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Unknown
Yeah, listen, I don't, I don't know how the NBA season will go.
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Shannon Sharpe
I'm not sure.
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Unknown
But playoffs come, the Lakers, warriors playoff. I think NBA fans would love this. I think it's something that, that would be really, really dope. A seven game series with these, with, with these two teams playing. And as far as Steph goes on, listen, somebody like that, that can Put the ball on the floor, can shoot and score from, from all three, all three levels. There's, there's, there's no way to stop that. And obviously the Laker, the Lakers bench, they got, they got to do much, they got to do much better. If just so happened, hypothetically speaking, they happened to meet up in a, In a, in a, In a seven game toothpaste copy and paste Lakers and fire.
- [16:24]
Joe Johnson
I think.
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Shannon Sharpe
And because, because Draymond, Draymond and, and, and, And Steph has played the well so long together, they understand. They get that rebound and Draymond just bouncing behind his back. He doesn't, he ain't not even looking, but he knows Steph and they did a great job tonight. If you notice Joe, every. They ran pick. Nope, I don't want that one. I want Luca.
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Joe Johnson
Whoever.
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Shannon Sharpe
Go. Whoever. Lucas, bring your ass.
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Unknown
Yes, sir.
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Joe Johnson
So just as much as the Lakers gonna try to pick up Steph and post Rudy Hachimir and all those guys and make stuff work, we're gonna do the same thing to Looker. Bring him on down here. We're gonna get the switch and we're gonna make it. Move them puppets, man. He gotta move them feet.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, it's a blessing of the curse because he can only move so fast. He's never going to be, he's never, no, he's never going to be a great defender, especially because they have him out in space now. He's, I mean, you're not going to be able to just back him down, but if you get him out in space, okay, he might stop the initial, but now can he stop the second? Can he stop the third? Because at first time you move that Steph put on Joe. He has Steph at the first step said. Okay, you got. That was. Good job. You got me.
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Joe Johnson
Good job.
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Shannon Sharpe
Oh, let me go back over here. Uh oh, I think I got you leading.
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Joe Johnson
Boom, boom.
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Shannon Sharpe
And now he got the float to the rim.
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Joe Johnson
I've been there, man. I've been there. It's going to be challenging, you know, because they gonna seek Luka every play down the court, defensive. They gonna make him play defense. He's not just gonna be able to use all his out, use all his energy for offense. And that's how teams feel like they gonna pick on the Lakers.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
You got to. Because. Because if you look at, if you look at it, Joe, Austin, Reeves nor Luca are great defenders. Okay, let me. I'll take great out of it. They're not, they're, they're, they're Average to below average defenders. So now you got two of those. Now you only got one big. Yeah, which is Jackson Hayes. And he's a. He, you know, he can get some foul trouble. I mean, he comes and goes. I mean, he like all over the damn place. He looking at stars and he like, damn. So he all. He's cattle brain. He all over the place. Yeah. So now that puts a lot of emphasis on a guy like LeBron and, and LeBron coming off of injury. You know, he's not going to do too much because he don't want to do anything. Sudden jump and. And re. And re. Injure that groin, right?
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Joe Johnson
Absolutely.
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Shannon Sharpe
When they take Jackson Hayes out, they're a really small team.
- [18:46]
Joe Johnson
They are, man. They need, they need. They need some help in that. In that paint to help Jackson Hayes and LeBron, because that's not going to get it in the playoffs, man. You're going to need way more than that. You know, every play is intensified in the playoffs and you know, a knickknack or ankle sprain or something minor can happen. You know, it's a playoff series, so it's gonna, it's gonna linger, man. It ain't gonna heal up to all season. So they need some help.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, but they do. They do need some help.
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Unknown
You got to think about it. You talk about. We've been saying they need help all this time. We talked about Jackson Hayes obviously being the only big. The only person that could play the five. LeBron can switch and go to the five sometime, depending on circumstance in a game, depending on the situation. But Joe.
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Shannon Sharpe
What?
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Unknown
Joe just said they need. They need a big. It's not going to work in the playoffs.
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Shannon Sharpe
Ain't nobody out there.
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Unknown
Ain't nobody out there. It's too late now. It's too late now at this point to go and get somebody. So you got to figure out how to do it. Plan small, and then you also have to figure out how to do it. But you got two liabilities on defense and Reez and Luca and make sure all the energy in their output is spent putting up points on offense.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, because they had the unfortunate case with not getting a Mark Williams kid. You know, not having that center, it's hurting him because he could do a lot of justice for them, man. He could have the Lakers looking a lot better than what they've been looking these past few games, because now you.
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Shannon Sharpe
Start Mark Williams and you bring Jackson Hayes off the bench, which is the role he's best suited for. Now those 15 minutes you playing now they're spread out at the tail end. You let Mark Williams take the lion's share now you bring him in now at all times you got somebody to protect the paint. Right now when Jack, when Jackson Hayes goes out, they don't have anybody to protect the rim. So basically it's a layup line because once they're going to keep Luka, they're going to keep Luca in the pick and roll.
- [20:38]
Joe Johnson
The Lakers don't have. Once Jackson Hayes go out the game, the Lakers don't have that line threat anymore and it's kind of bunching up the game and you can tell they just penetrating kicking. A lot of times guys do have their in between game, but they kicking out for threes so much that it's making them hard for them to score. They went into a lapse today to where it took them a while, you know, to score some points. So in the playoffs it's going to slow down and Brian knows that and I'm sure, like I said, he's going to go to another level or two, but man, they need some help in the paint.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, unfortunately that's not coming until next year. Unless they could do something. Unless they can't.
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Joe Johnson
They can't pick up nobody for the playoffs.
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Shannon Sharpe
No, ain't nobody. They, they picked up Alex Lynn and he just, right now he's just waiting to be the tallest coach ever. Cause he, he, he terrible as a player right now, Joe. I mean, I mean ain't no way around it. Ain't no way around it. They put him in the game and.
- [21:28]
Joe Johnson
Hey, they gonna have to kill all the roughly. They gonna need that body, man. I'm telling you, they're gonna need that body. He gonna have to have.
- [21:36]
Shannon Sharpe
Well, that's all it is. That's all you know what I'm saying? Oh, Joe, you. Yo, you from Arkansas, right?
- [21:40]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, from Noro.
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Shannon Sharpe
Okay, so you know, being from the country, you from Little Rock, I'm from South Georgia. We kept a whole car in the backyard to take parts up off it. It wasn't worth a damn, but we just used it for spare parts. They say what we do with Alec.
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Unknown
Lee, he's just gonna be out there taking, he gonna be out there taking him to space. That's it.
- [21:59]
Joe Johnson
Hey listen, hey listen man, them people get in five trouble in them playoffs, they gonna need somebody to step in there and give them three, four, five foul. Yeah, I'm telling you.
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Shannon Sharpe
But, but that's all he, that's all. Hey Ocho, we go out there, hey man, we need a carburetor. Hey, go see. Hey, we need a manifold, pipes, we need catalytic converter, we need a MoT regulator, whatever spark plugs or something comes right. Go ahead. Go ahead, Joe.
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Joe Johnson
Piece it up. Yeah, piece it up. Try to make it work. We got to do whatever we can to buy some time, especially if any of them guys, especially Jackson Hayes, get into any type of foul trouble. Yeah, man, y'all gotta throw somebody out there. Y'all can't have Braun playing the center, bro.
- [22:35]
Shannon Sharpe
No.
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Joe Johnson
You mean the beanbag chair?
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Shannon Sharpe
And the thing is, with Jackson Hayes, he's gonna get in foul trouble.
- [24:47]
Unknown
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
Because. Because of the way he plays, he's out of position a lot, and he. He doesn't really control his body that well, and he's. He lunging into guys and stuff like that. And he spit, bro. Hey, they not listening to you talking. You talking about, hey, that wasn't a fight, bro. Ain't nobody listening to you. You talking to an official. They just, like, tuning you out.
- [25:08]
Joe Johnson
Hey. Oh, man, he ain't used to playing all these minutes, man. They leaning on that boy hard out there.
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Shannon Sharpe
They are.
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Joe Johnson
They are.
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Unknown
Listen, sometimes the owners got to be on LeBron. Listen, once we get to the playoffs, he got to talk to Jackson Hayes. Listen, you don't have to challenge everything. You don't have to challenge everything early on in the game. There's no need to get in foul trouble, man. Young bull don't have me going to the five and exerting all that goddamn energy on defense, having to play.
- [25:34]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, he ain't trying to get in foul trouble, bro. Yeah, he ain't trying to. I know he a little wild out there. That man. Excited. Look, somehow, some way, he done ended up as the only beat for the Lakers. He's like, oh, yeah, And I'm playing.
- [25:46]
Shannon Sharpe
With Luke and LeBron, man.
- [25:47]
Joe Johnson
That man out there, hell, the time of his life.
- [25:50]
Shannon Sharpe
They don't. Yeah, I mean, he came from the Pelicans. Think about it. He was at the Pelicans. Hey, and he. He probably not going to have it this good again, but I think the warriors have to be really pleased because Jimmy Butler didn't give him a whole lot tonight.
- [26:05]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [26:05]
Shannon Sharpe
Normally, even though when he's not giving him anything, he's at the foul line. So he's giving. He's giving Steph an opportunity to rest.
- [26:12]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. Yeah.
- [26:13]
Shannon Sharpe
So when he. The clock stops so now Steph can get the rest. Because Steph is perpetual motion. He's not. Hey, he's just running. He's running baseline. He's coming to the top. He's back. That's all he's doing. He's running the whole game. And so. And as Joe said, come playoff time, however, minutes you normally play, tack two to three on come to layoff time. So if you play in 33 minutes, you're gonna go to 36. If you play at 35, you're going to 38.
- [26:39]
Joe Johnson
I'm talking about Hard, tough man. But the one thing I do like about the warriors, you know, Draymond's not a great offensive threat, but he knows his role. Meaning when that foul gets kicked to him, he go right into a dribble handoff. Cause ain't nobody guarding him now. Steph come off Scott free, shooting them wide open threes. And that's been kind of money for them, you know, going down the stretch.
- [27:01]
Shannon Sharpe
And sometimes he'll hit you with the dribble drive. He'll fake the handoff and drive it and go all the way to the rim with it. And the thing is, look, at some point in time, you got to live with that. If Draymond go hit two to three. Three, three, three. You're probably gonna lose the game at the time. No time on the clock, and he just heave it up. You're probably gonna lose like that. So you're gonna have to live with something. Yeah, you try to minimize stuff. That's the damage. That's the. That's the look. If you get step in the trauma center. Yeah, you can live with a paper cut.
- [27:28]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [27:29]
Shannon Sharpe
Steps in you to the trauma center, and that's where you should stop. You know, you're not trying to go to Ocho. You know in class that you get a little band aid when they call the paramedics for your ass? That's too much. You in trouble then. Yeah, Steph is the paramedics. I'm just trying to get a little band aid.
- [27:45]
Unknown
That's the hard part, though, huh? You know, Steph at the trauma center. Regards to who? Regards to who you playing. So you want to deal with the trauma, but you want to limit everything else. The other four people, eliminate them, or just make sure you find a way to stop up the dam. That's it. If you gonna deal with the trauma from Steph, make sure you deal with other foe and carry on like that.
- [28:10]
Shannon Sharpe
It's kind of hard because they're either gonna put Alston Reaves or they're gonna put Luka in the pick and roll. They're gonna keep running because those are the guys. So. Because Finney Smith didn't give us anything tonight. Gabe Vincent didn't give you anything tonight. You need something from those guys. We committed them the other night, Ocho, because remember, both of those guys gave you 20. Both of those guys get at least six threes. They've got to give you something. Now, if they're not giving you anything, you hope. You hope they give you something offensively. But if they're not giving you anything offensively. Austin, Finney, Smith. Got it. Doe got. He got to lock it down. Yeah. You can't be booty cheeks on both ends, Joe.
- [28:54]
Joe Johnson
Now you gotta. They gonna need guys to pitch in, man. I just feel like, you know, they put so much pressure on Luca and LeBron to be great every night.
- [29:04]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
- [29:05]
Joe Johnson
You know, it's gonna be hard to win like that. That's why I think Austin Reeves is playing out of his mind this year. He's giving them great help, but they're gonna need more help from Rui to be consistently good for them on a night to night basis, especially when they get in the postseason.
- [29:19]
Shannon Sharpe
I think the thing is. And plus I like Dalton connect, but he annoys JJ because he doesn't understand his defensive responsibilities. He gets so lost, they put him in the pick and roll, and both guys, they put him in the screen, the hot screen, and he goes to the guy that's rolling when he's supposed to flare to the guy that popped, and he gets lost every time. And look, I've only been around JJ for half a year, but I just know that annoys him. And what I told you, Ocho, you got to have patience as a coach. And when you go over something in film study and then he come in the game and muck it up like, bro, yeah, this is why you over here, this is why you're not playing. And Joe, I know you. You can speak to this guys that you know, okay, you go over something and shoot around, you go over something in film study and then you get into the game and I've been damned, you don't mess it up.
- [30:10]
Joe Johnson
Hey, that and, and that's their rookie syndrome, bro. That's why they don't trust them rookies in them big games and a big situation in the postseason, because you gotta understand attention to detail, especially on the defensive end, knowing when to switch, how to switch, who to close out to, who not to close out to. And a lot of times, you know, rookies don't really understand that it take them a year or two to kind of figure that part out.
- [30:33]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. So who do you think, Joe needs another title more Steph lebron?
- [30:41]
Unknown
Oh.
- [30:43]
Joe Johnson
I'll say Braun, you think? Yeah, man. Yeah, I say Braun. Even though they won one. Even though he's won one already in la in the bubble, I think him getting another one. I mean, he already, to a lot of people, you know, he's there to go, man. He's gonna have all the records when he's done, man, for him to capitalize and have another championship in LA. Yeah, I think it's at the age of 40.
- [31:09]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [31:10]
Joe Johnson
What I think. Look, look what he's doing at 40, man. This is crazy. So, you know, we, we, we kind of get on him, you know, at times when he's not playing great. But you still have to realize that, man, 40 years old and he's still out there putting up elite numbers, right?
- [31:24]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. He go and he's going to end the season averaging 24, 8 and 8. At the age of 40. Hey, a guy that's 25, averaging 24, 8 and 8, that's a max contract, guy. The guy's gonna get 350. He's 40. Hello?
- [31:37]
Joe Johnson
Hello.
- [31:38]
Unknown
Hey, hey, Joe. You think, you think they hold. You think they hold LeBron at a different standard, obviously, because of who he is, what he's been able to do, the long consistency to be in year 22, to playing the way he's playing at 40?
- [31:50]
Joe Johnson
I.
- [31:51]
Unknown
To me, I mean, if you ask me, I think maybe Steph would be more suited to be one to, to maybe need another ring as opposed to LeBron. The way I see it, you know, despite my, my lack thereof, exquisite knowledge of basketball, it seems like his legacy is already submitted, whether he wins another one or not.
- [32:11]
Joe Johnson
You talking about Steph?
- [32:12]
Unknown
No, I'm talking about LeBron.
- [32:14]
Joe Johnson
Nah, I think because bro has been great for so long. He's been in the game since he was 18. The man 40 years old. Yeah. And he's played at a crazy level since he was 18. Elite level, you know what I mean? So this is new to all of us. You know, every point that goes down for him is in history books.
- [32:34]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [32:34]
Joe Johnson
Like, we're looking at the leading scorer, NBA history. So, So I know we take, you know, we don't take that. And you know, you can't take that for granted for what he's doing and, you know, having longevity and still playing at this high level. So, you know, to some aspect. Yeah, I want to see him win another one.
- [32:51]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay. Okay, Joe, what I tell people.
- [32:53]
Unknown
Hey, hold on, hold on, Ocho. Hey, Joe, I got to show you the ball LeBron gave me. He signed a 50k point ball for me.
- [32:58]
Joe Johnson
Let me see this joint. Oh, Ocho, you gotta cut it out. You gotta chill. You gotta chill. You gotta chill. You gotta chill. Hey, hey, you gotta chill, my boy. Hey, you can't keep letting that man get away with this type of act, man, that man is on here tripping. Hey, you gotta chill.
- [33:27]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, Joe, what I tell People all the time, when you are a great player and I'm sure you got this, they don't compare you to other players. They compare you to your younger self as you started to get older. Joe, they say, man, I remember the 25 year old Joe, he would have got that shot off. He had been able to get to the rim. He been able to draw that foul. People looking at LeBron, they don't, they don't, they don'T put forth zero all they say, I remember LeBron would have rolls up and he'd have dunked it on him. I remember LeBron would have got all the way to. I'd have got, he'd have got all the way to the rim. They're not looking at the age. All they do is compare you to a younger version of yourself.
- [34:05]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. And obviously he don't have the athleticism that he once had, but he's so cerebral and smart at this age and age of his game that it's even more impressive now to watch him than it is when he was 22 or 23.
- [34:21]
Shannon Sharpe
Right?
- [34:21]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. So I enjoy it. I enjoy how his game has evolved and how he's kept up with the Joneses. Because when I came into the game unconocho guys weren't pump faking, the side stepping and none of that, they weren't doing none of that. So you know, he's learned all that as he's continued to play and he's added and implemented so many different things in his game.
- [34:42]
Shannon Sharpe
The three ball. Because he wasn't a heavy three ball shooter when he got into the league either. Now he has the three, now he has the three ball.
- [34:50]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [34:51]
Shannon Sharpe
That's what really has helped him because what he's like, he's top 10 in three point shots. We don't look over 11,000 rebounds, over 10,000 assists. We know the 40 plus thousand points. But something that we never thought that we would see that LeBron James would be top 10 in three points.
- [35:07]
Unknown
That's crazy.
- [35:07]
Shannon Sharpe
So the evolution guy that can evolve. The greatest trick to survival is adaptability. He had to be able to adapt to the game as it evolved. And you see some of the other guys couldn't adapt to the game. And even though they were pretty good players, I was listening to Melo talk. Melo said, man, I need to get to the mid range. Well, they no longer wanted the mid range because they don't value the mid range. We need you to be a spot up three point shooter. We need you to be a catching three, three Point shooter. Yeah.
- [35:38]
Joe Johnson
I think that's what's made him tough to guard because if he's making that.
- [35:41]
Shannon Sharpe
Jump shot, oh, it's over.
- [35:43]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, it's going to be a good night for him tonight. So I think that's the key. Like, if he sees that first one go in, you know, it's going to be a long night for the defense. So, you know, he had you on your heels because if he's making anything, you gotta shake his hand. And you know, he's had unbelievable nights from the three, you know, from these past few years, especially this year.
- [36:06]
Unknown
Oh, yeah.
- [36:06]
Shannon Sharpe
Let's go to a game. Buddy Hill. And Ja Rant was warned by the NBA about the gun, the finger gun situation, but. But again tonight, Ja hit the game winner, man.
- [36:19]
Unknown
You know who he beat?
- [36:22]
Shannon Sharpe
Beat the Heat.
- [36:23]
Unknown
Yeah, man.
- [36:23]
Shannon Sharpe
Joe, if you could, if you could look as a veteran playing 17, 18 years in this league, if you had an opportunity to sit down with Ja and impart some wisdom upon him, what would you tell him?
- [36:36]
Joe Johnson
I tell him, jon, come, come, come spend some time with me. Come get in this hot yoga room and we gonna zap all that little energy up out of you. It ain't gonna be none of them, man. You ain't gonna be fine no more. Them girls, we gonna get you right. But I think that's kind of what the NBA is lacking, honestly, that veteran presence that can help these young guys. Because nowadays you got guys getting drafted and they go on the teams and Ja is the guy who they looking up to. You know what I mean?
- [37:03]
Shannon Sharpe
Ja 23, 24.
- [37:04]
Joe Johnson
He's 23, 24. And these are the guys who, you know, your young guys are looking up to and emulating and want to be like. So I think you got to have older guys in there, man, who can really teach these dudes a rope, show them how to be pros on and off the floor.
- [37:18]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes, sir.
- [37:18]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [37:19]
Unknown
Hey, Joe, do you think, obviously you think about players like that, that are young like a jar, and some of the other players that. Around the league, do you think trying to tone down some of the, some of the mannerisms, some of the extracurricular activity and things they like to do on the court, do you think that it will take away from their game and what makes them. Them being that he's so young and he can resonate with, with the rest of the youth, you think that'll take away some of that, some of that, that. That what makes Ja, Ja in general?
- [37:48]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. No, I love it. I know they probably gonna try to ban some of the stuff, But I love the antics and the celebrations and things of that sort. I think that's kind of what makes the game. That's what fans love to see. It's just like in football when guys score, they love to see the dancing and the teams come together, the good camaraderie of teams. And fans enjoy watching that. They don't want to just see a boring game. They want to see the excitement that comes with it. So I hope they don't eliminate or give technical fouls for all the excessiveness. Some of it is kind of warranted, but, man, I ain't gonna lie, Ocho. Some of this stuff is kind of getting outta hand, Man. I watch a lot of AAU basketball. I got an AAU program myself, and, man, these kids, soon as they hit one shot, they shooting at your head. They'll be talking about this crazy.
- [38:37]
Shannon Sharpe
They spraying the whole building down.
- [38:39]
Joe Johnson
Hey, man, listen. They shoot up the whole gym. So it's. I love to see the fire in them and the competitive nature that comes with it, but some of the antics. Yeah, they start fights, bro. They start fighting. Okay, okay. Yeah.
- [38:55]
Shannon Sharpe
Because. Ocho. Yeah. What do the younger people see? Cause think about it. All these kids now do. All they do now is shoot threes. They saw step guys three, seven years old. They launching it. The same thing with the NFL. Whatever. They see them in the NFL, they see the gritty. They see, hey, Ocho, remember they outlawed the throat slash you had kid Ken, Kids in high school, young kids. So this is the same thing. These kids, they want to emulate that. They want to be that. And so the NFL and these sports leagues say, nah, we don't. We. You know, we ain't trying to set that precedent. We want you to have fun. And I get it to a certain, certain extent, but sometimes I think the players do go overboard. I think they got a responsibility because these young kids look up to them. You, you, you. You selling shoes, you selling merch, you selling things. You say, hey, I want you to support me. I want you to bleed, blah, blah, blah. But then when we do that. Ah, nah, don't do that. Nah. Them kids be bought all the way in. Everything you do, everything you wear, how you taught, what you do. They follow that.
- [39:56]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. And Ja's polarizing, man. He ultimately could have been or could be the poster board of NBA. And kids gravitate toward that. Like I'm saying, his shoes, his clothes, how he wears hair. Like, man, I see these kids now with their dreads back up In a little ponytail, dress like. Man, listen, these people, they think. They think they jive here.
- [40:19]
Shannon Sharpe
And because he the reason why they like Steph. Because you see Steph, like, damn. Step like a regular man.
- [40:26]
Joe Johnson
Step. Six, two. Yeah.
- [40:29]
Shannon Sharpe
Six, two. Yeah. I can't be LeBron, man. I ain't finna be no six'nine right? I ain't finna be no Shaq. I ain't finna be no Jokic, right? But I can be Josh. I can really grow up to be 6'two I can be Steph Curry. So that's why a lot of time, people gravitate towards the smaller guys, because they see themselves. I could be that. That's why Jordan and Kobe, the smaller guys, they seem to resonate. Ain't nobody said, man, I wanna be Shaq. I wanna be Jokic. I wanna be Kareem. Why you think don't nobody throw the sky hook? The most unstoppable shot that's ever been created. It ain't. Nobody basically threw it since he threw it.
- [41:04]
Joe Johnson
Hey, hey, hey. And you got all these trainers out here taking these kids through drills on nobody teach them how to shoot no sky hook.
- [41:10]
Shannon Sharpe
Man.
- [41:10]
Joe Johnson
Over there, that 20, 25 steps. Catch that?
- [41:18]
Shannon Sharpe
Yep.
- [41:18]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [41:18]
Shannon Sharpe
Yep.
- [41:20]
Joe Johnson
And that's what it is. Yeah. Hey, Young.
- [41:22]
Unknown
I can. Joe, I. I think I. I like it. I understand exactly where y'all coming from, but when you got players like Anthony Edwards, players like John Morant, I mean, Steph is a little different just the way he carries himself. And you look at the individual's background and the image that they try to portray, there's a reason why they're special. When they play the game of basketball, there's a certain way that they carry themselves. There's a certain group that they try to emulate or a certain. A certain certain cache and way that they carry themselves. And they want to keep that same, that same, that. Or when they play the game, play the game of basketball. And all I was saying is there's some things you can eliminate that they do in game. I just don't want to take too much away from them that makes them who they are. There's a certain it factor with Anthony Edmonds and the Ja Moron that makes them who they are. And I think if you take too much and try to tone them down too much, it takes away from their game in general and what they bring.
- [42:17]
Joe Johnson
I agree. And it's going to kind of dull it down a little bit and make it less watchable. I mean, they say the game. They say the basketball game has been struggling, but you know our stars have been performing. We just got to keep them on the floor.
- [42:30]
Unknown
Yeah.
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Joe Johnson
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- [44:56]
Shannon Sharpe
If you remember, think about it well, who do the kids love? The Guy that. The guy that had a big. No, I don't. It's hard to say. Somebody had a bigger impact than Allen Iverson. Allen Iverson was the first one to start wearing the sleeve all the way up. Not damn. Everybody wear the sleeve. Allen Iverson. You couldn't go to the store and buy a 5x T shirt because he had a Baltimore. He didn't want to buy the GT. And you couldn't find no 40 jeans. He handle both his age. Yeah, he was the one that trained. They trained the dress code because of him.
- [45:27]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, because he was good. You ain't lying. You ain't lying. Hey, I had me a few of them tall to you, too, but, boy, look, I remember when the league changed the dress code, man, look, we used to come to the plane and sweats, flip flops, shorts, man. They took all that away. You had to come in there suited and booty. I was like, oh, my God.
- [45:46]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, guys showed up. Hey, Joe, you remember that cable, that couple durag? They had the durags on the tall teeth. I like. Y'all ain't gonna do all these corporate sponsors, all this money we spending, Y'all.
- [45:58]
Joe Johnson
Finna clean this up, right? Hey, Stern wasn't going. Hey, he got everybody, right?
- [46:02]
Unknown
Oh, yeah.
- [46:04]
Shannon Sharpe
I saw Tim Duncan come pick his MVP trophie with flip flops and shorts on.
- [46:12]
Unknown
Oh, that's crazy.
- [46:14]
Joe Johnson
Hey, I remember those days, bro. I remember those days. Those were good times, man. Hey, it kind of went. It kind of got back to that now, though.
- [46:21]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, they got. All the guys are not coming. They used to. There was a time that, you know, sue sue suit, but, you know, you see guys still coming with some sweat. Ant man. Ant man say, look here. I ain't wearing. I ain't spending no money on it. Hey, I get all this free gear or.
- [46:33]
Joe Johnson
I'm aware.
- [46:34]
Unknown
I'm aware.
- [46:35]
Joe Johnson
You do it right?
- [46:37]
Shannon Sharpe
After the game, John called Keo Ware a pigeon on national television. Taylor Rooks asked. Ja. Tell me everything about that last possession, Joffe. A pigeon was guarding me. Go get a bucket and win the.
- [46:50]
Joe Johnson
Game, AJ Gotta chill now. Hey, Keller, whatever. My guy, he's from the crib. He from Lara. We don't act like that now. Don't act like that. Don't act like that. Hey, it was a great shot. Killer played great defense. It was a great shot. He made a tough shot, man. Give him his credit. I'm gonna tell you what I think happened in that game. The little guard was pissing him and impressing him so much the little Donovan kid.
- [47:15]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [47:15]
Joe Johnson
It kind of turned jaw to the point to where he was trying to make a point.
- [47:19]
Shannon Sharpe
Right.
- [47:20]
Joe Johnson
And he kind of turned it on and kind of got it, got it, got it going. You know what I mean?
- [47:23]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Yes. Yeah, he definitely got it going in the second half. He got it going in the second half.
- [47:28]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [47:30]
Shannon Sharpe
Cause he said they was booing him. They was booing him and kind of got to him because I think he had like 27 points in the second half and obviously hit the game winner. So that was exciting. It was a video game night for Giannis Antetokounmpo. The Greek freak dropped a career high and assistant. He became the first player in NBA history to have 35 points, 17 rebounds, 20 assists. The Bucs shot 52% from the three point range. The Bucs are coming off a win against Tuesday in which they shot 69% from the field, which was the highest in an NBA game since 1998. And the 58 and almost 59% from the three point range. Is there anybody, Honestly, Joe, is there anybody? Really? As well as Giannis has played, Cleveland has been the best team in the east record wise. But is there anybody in the east that can challenge Boston?
- [48:24]
Joe Johnson
Nah. Nah. But I tell you what, to start the season, I had the Bucks making some noise, man. I know it's been unfortunate, you know, with Dane going out, you know, with calf injury, the blood clot things, and, man, we can't expect these type of numbers from Giannis every night, man. Right. Man, he played out his mind tonight. And them other guys around him stepped up. They had to step up and make plays, man. How many assists he had?
- [48:50]
Shannon Sharpe
20.
- [48:51]
Joe Johnson
Oh, man. Yeah, he did.
- [48:54]
Shannon Sharpe
And you know, in the post season, they don't let you get up and down. And Giannis is like. He likes to get up and down. He sees a crack, hey, Giannis like a roach. He see a crack, he gonna slide through it. Now get away from you.
- [49:05]
Joe Johnson
So you can't squash it every time in the playoffs. Boxing elbows, baby. You gonna have to pass that thing. If them boys gonna make if. If them boys gonna make eight, nine threes together, okay, we gonna live with that. But you think you're gonna get to this rim and have a dunk fence all night, that we are not going.
- [49:22]
Shannon Sharpe
Because, you know, when somebody has 20 assists, there are a lot of shots being made, man. A lot of shots being made.
- [49:29]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, and I think everybody chipped in tonight. They had a bunch of guys in double figures who made. Who made Quite a few threes so obviously Giannis had it going. If he had 35 points, 20 assists.
- [49:39]
Shannon Sharpe
Right.
- [49:39]
Joe Johnson
And how many rebounds he probably had about 18, 19. 17 rebounds, man. Hey, Ojo, them 2K numbers right there, baby. Yeah, it is.
- [49:48]
Unknown
Hey, matter of fact, I'm gonna go back to something you just said earlier, right, Real quick. And it just dawned on me. You said out the east, there's no threat for the Celtics at all. Well, if there's no threat for the Celtics, basically you're saying they going back to the NBA Finals.
- [50:02]
Shannon Sharpe
Basically, yeah.
- [50:03]
Unknown
Okay, well if they're going back to the NBA Finals, who do you see them facing out the west? And do they even have a threat out the west, let alone forget the east.
- [50:12]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, yeah, they got a threat out in the west, partner. Yeah, they got a threat.
- [50:16]
Shannon Sharpe
Who that?
- [50:16]
Unknown
Who we talking about?
- [50:17]
Joe Johnson
I like okc, bro. I like okc. Not only because they got Shay, but because all them other dudes around them, they know they roll and they defend, man, they defend. They sit down, they sit in their chair and play defense, Ocho. And in the playoffs, that's what it's going to come down to. And what they the youngest team in the NBA?
- [50:36]
Unknown
Yeah, they are 24 years, man.
- [50:39]
Joe Johnson
They finna hey, they gonna be getting up and down all night. Shay gonna average probably 42 minutes a game in the playoffs. Right out of a 48 minute ball game, he probably barely gonna sit down. They ain't gonna do nothing to him.
- [50:49]
Shannon Sharpe
Unless, unless, unless they, unless they blowing him out. And you know, you try to blow somebody, you know, try to get some rest like that, but other than that, yeah, your best players play. The MVP race is coming down to the wire. SGA is on pace to win his first scoring title. Right now he's at 32.9 points a game. The Thunder record 64 12. They have an outside chance to become the third team to win 70 games in a season. OK. Season OK. Needs to win out to join the 95, 96 Bulls and the 2015-16 warriors as the only teams in NBA history to win 70 or more games in the regular season. Meanwhile, Nikola Lokic Jokic, they just call him Yoke, has attempted to make history, becoming the third player, the third player to win four MVPs in a five year span. Joining LeBron 2008-2012. He won four Bill Russell 61 through 65. Unfortunately, Yoke is not going to win the MVP. Just like the first guy to average a triple double Oscar Robinson didn't win the MVP in that 61, 62 season, Jokic is averaging 29.7 points a game, 12.8 rebounds a game, 10.2 assists a game. And he's shooting 50, what, 54% from the field and 42% from the three. And unfortunately, Joe, he's not going to win the MVP.
- [52:09]
Joe Johnson
Man, that dude is balling out of control. I'm be honest with you. I love watching him play. I love how he plays at his own pace. And he made guys around him better too. He's a willing passer, which makes him harder to guard because you know if you double team, he gonna give it right up and them dudes making shots around him. But to be honest, my pick would be Shay too. I enjoy watching Shade. I love his poise and patience, you know, throughout the game. And like I say, defensively, he's always gonna be tops and steals. He sits down and play defense as well. So I love both players, man, but if I had a vote, mine would probably be Shay.
- [52:48]
Shannon Sharpe
You know what's gonna happen. It's gonna be the same situation. Like we go back, Joe, being a student of the game, you go back and look at that 61, 62 season Bill Russell won the MVP. But that was the year that Wilt averaged 50 and 25. That was the first year Oscar had a 30 point triple double. Jerry west averaged 30. Elgin Baylor was 30 and 18. You go back and look at that was the. Statistically that was the greatest offensive season on record. Go back and look at those guys and look at the numbers. You're like, hold on. And when you hear like will average. Hold on. How much did he have? 50 and what will average? 50 and 25. No. MVP. 30 point triple.
- [53:31]
Joe Johnson
50 and 25.
- [53:33]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes. And he didn't win the MVP. Bill Russell won the MVP that season. Yeah, but Jared west was like 36 and 8. Who else? Who's Elgin Baylor? Elgin Baylor averaged Walt. Elgin Baylor averaged like 27 and 18. Walt Bellamy. I mean, the numbers were crazy. You go look at the top five, the top six guys in the MVP race and probably any other year they win it, but Russell won it that year. And I think we're going to go back 25, 30 years from now. We're going to look, they're going to pull up Nicola Jokic's numbers and they're going to say ain't no way if he didn't win mvp. Right? Who did? Right? Because that's the conversation we have now. Like you said, hold on. We'll average 50 and 25 and then win the MVP.
- [54:26]
Joe Johnson
No Boston Bill Russell must have been putting belt to ass.
- [54:33]
Shannon Sharpe
They won eight straight titles. So, yeah, they put. They. They told everybody would tear their body up.
- [54:37]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [54:39]
Shannon Sharpe
And then we'll say, y'all. Y'all. Y'all were playing with me. Then he came back at average 44 and 27 next year. Just to let y'all know it wasn't a flu. Ocho. Yeah, Joe, what's up? I remember we talked about this a couple years last year. Ocho is that Melo was feeling some type of way. He said, because they gave the 15 to Jokic. And I'm saying. And I said, joe, bro, they took this man in the second round, and when he got drafted, they were doing a Taco Bell commercial. They had no idea he was going to turn out to be this. Because if they had that, it took his ass in the first round. You don't run the risk of this is a transcendent player and taking him in the second round if you think you're going to do anything. But unfortunately, they're not gonna remember Carmelo wore that 15. That number belongs to Nikola Jokic.
- [55:32]
Unknown
I mean, it shouldn't. Listen, as great as Nicole is playing right now. Hold on. You're not erasing what Carmelo did in that. In that NF15.
- [55:39]
Shannon Sharpe
Now, that man got three MVPs and a Finals MVP. I tell you what, Joe, who won 34? Who won 34 in Milwaukee before Giannis? Ray Allen.
- [55:50]
Joe Johnson
Ray Allen.
- [55:50]
Shannon Sharpe
Do you remember ray Allen in 34? Ocho? Exactly.
- [55:54]
Unknown
Okay.
- [55:55]
Shannon Sharpe
Exactly.
- [55:55]
Joe Johnson
Hey, hey, hey. He was a bad boy with that 34.
- [55:59]
Shannon Sharpe
He was okay. Yes, Gordon, yes. Yes. But you look at what Giannis is doing, right?
- [56:06]
Joe Johnson
Oh, yeah.
- [56:09]
Unknown
Hey, we. That's what I don't like about us sometimes. Sometimes we become a prisoner of the moment and we forget what those before us actually did, you know? And listen, I understand. I love what Joker's doing. I love it. But we talk about the other 15. We talk about that. We talk about Mr. Mid Range, huh? Put the shoulder in your chest.
- [56:31]
Joe Johnson
I get all that.
- [56:32]
Shannon Sharpe
I get all that. I get all that. In 10 years. Ain't nobody gonna remember that. Just like you don't remember Ray Allen wore 34 in Milwaukee. Yeah, because of what Giannis is doing. Do you realize what. Ocho, I don't think you realize what this man is doing. Joe, you played 18, 19 years. You know, I studied the game. I've been following this game since 77, 78.
- [56:52]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [56:52]
Shannon Sharpe
And I know a lot of the history, what Jokic is doing. I'm Sorry, Ocho.
- [56:59]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, I think y'all think the big man gonna ever come back?
- [57:05]
Shannon Sharpe
No, the big man, yeah. If he can shoot, yo.
- [57:08]
Unknown
No, he gotta be able to shoot the three.
- [57:11]
Shannon Sharpe
Shoot three. He gotta be like a yokich. Yeah, you gotta be one of those big. You talking about the big. They just run his ass down to the block and play with his back to the basket.
- [57:19]
Unknown
Oh, yeah, Call for the ball. No, the game changed.
- [57:23]
Shannon Sharpe
The game, that's over, Joe.
- [57:25]
Joe Johnson
Hey, but I'm saying, you know, once, once in a while, you know, every era, we get a guy who come in, he may, you know, he built a little different from everybody else, right?
- [57:33]
Shannon Sharpe
I think if you can dominate, you.
- [57:35]
Joe Johnson
Know, you know, be the size of a seven footer who just unguardable down there, it'll come back. But now they don't trade for it no more. Like, all those guys work on their post game for real. They all doing pick and pop, shooting threes from different spots. So the game is totally different. They don't even raise them like that no more.
- [57:52]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, and think about it. Look at Zach Eady, man. You saw Zach eady training. He's shooting three, he's seven four. Look at Wimby. Wendy's seven four and a half. He's 75 with shoes and he ain't playing with his back to the basket. It's over, Joe. It's over if you got a guy 75 and he ain't playing with his back to the basketball.
- [58:14]
Joe Johnson
I like Wendy, though. I like Wimby. He's a. He's a freaking nature bro. Like, they don't come like.
- [58:20]
Shannon Sharpe
Nope. Guys, look, I was in. As a matter of fact, I got a Carmelo signed jersey from him when he was a rookie. I know what Melo is, but I don't think you understand what you witnessed with Nikola Jokic. He's a three time league mvp and he did something that Melo didn't do, which is take this team to an NBA title and he was finals mvp. And it was no question. Let me ask you a question. At any point in time in Mello's tenure in Denver, was he the best player in the league? You're looking at the undeniable best player in basketball. And he's been that for the last four to five years, right? Yeah, he probably won't. He.
- [59:00]
Joe Johnson
I'm not. Sorry to cut y'all. He probably won the best in the league, but that motherfucker was a handful of guards.
- [59:06]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes, we not denying that though. But when you go back when he in the league at Kobe. Okay. You got Braun. Was he ever better than Braun? No, he wasn't. Maybe. If you want to say his rookie year, Shannon, he was better. But after that, he's never been better than Braun. And then you get kd. Now you got Steph. Now you got James Harden. Who you. Who better than Yoki?
- [59:29]
Joe Johnson
Right?
- [59:30]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Even though Shay go win the mvp, I'm not taking Shay over Yoke.
- [59:33]
Joe Johnson
Right.
- [59:34]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm not taking Giannis, I'm not taking Joel Embiid. I'm not taking nobody over 15 in Denver currently.
- [59:40]
Joe Johnson
Right. And you sticking to it?
- [59:43]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, I'm on that. Damn. So that man gave you a 60? That man gave you a triple. A 61 point. A 60 point triple double. 60 point triple double.
- [59:54]
Unknown
That's video game numbers.
- [59:56]
Joe Johnson
That was impressive.
- [59:57]
Shannon Sharpe
And hold on, didn't he just give you. He just gave you the other day a 30 point, a 30, 20, 20 game just about a month ago. He just. I mean. And like you said, Joe, I mean, you look at it, you're like, oh, I've been. You know what happened? You look at this dude like, oh, I'm gonna give him a bucket.
- [60:13]
Unknown
Oh, yeah.
- [60:14]
Shannon Sharpe
And next thing you know, you look up there, he got. He done dropped 40, 15 and 18 on you.
- [60:18]
Joe Johnson
Listen, ain't gonna be able to jump 2, 3 inches off the floor. No, he gonna get to it. He gonna get into it. Hey, that man's smart, he's cerebral. He know how to use his body. His eye. His eye. His IQ for the game.
- [60:31]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [60:31]
Joe Johnson
It's crazy. Yeah. Like, when you watch, he just. You don't know whether he's going to pass shoot. But whatever he does, he does it at an efficient level.
- [60:39]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [60:40]
Shannon Sharpe
And think about this. Ain't another All Star on his team. It's not another all NBA player on his team. Not Russ. But Russ is far removed from being that. He won a title with no all NBA and no All Star. He doesn't have an all NBA defender on his team. He doesn't have a defensive player of the Year on his team. He doing that.
- [61:03]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. But he got. He got some great pieces around him now with Gordon and Porter, you know, and Murray. They. All those dudes know they rose and they all explode. Meaning, you know, I know yo gonna be consistent in his play, especially in the postseason, but those guys can win you a playoff series or some playoff games. You know what I mean?
- [61:26]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
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Joe Johnson
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- [64:30]
Shannon Sharpe
Look, I still say it's hard to say that there are two or three better combos than he and Murray when they get into that pick and roll. And he picking and popping and Murray doing, he dancing on you and sidestepping you and hitting threes. And he can get to the rim and he can finish above the rim when they playing it. They hard to beat. Yeah, they hard to beat. And now you got Michael Porter Jr. He's sidestepping and hitting threes. You got Gordon, he can hit threes. And we know he can finish above the rim.
- [64:59]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. And I think with those two guys don't get a lot of credit. Porter and Gordon is defensively, you can't go at them dudes. Them dudes hold their own defensively.
- [65:09]
Shannon Sharpe
You know, they play big.
- [65:10]
Joe Johnson
They play big. And great moments for Denver. So when they run into the Lakers or the Suns, they got guys who can match up with KD and LeBron and make the. Make their nights tough.
- [65:23]
Shannon Sharpe
Cause Gordon is 6, 8 with a big body.
- [65:25]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [65:26]
Shannon Sharpe
So that's what he could do. So. Cause LeBron could damn near bully everybody, but Gordon. Gordon might outweigh him.
- [65:32]
Joe Johnson
Right.
- [65:33]
Shannon Sharpe
And so it's hard for him to bully and play through him. Right?
- [65:35]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. Yeah.
- [65:36]
Shannon Sharpe
So he's like, you know what I'm gonna make. You're gonna have to, you know, you know what? If you beat me shooting three, then you beat me in the mid range. I'm just not gonna let you put. I'm not gonna let you finish to the rim. And they don't. A lot of times they don't bring help because they know if you bring help, Bron know where that help coming from. And he's gonna be able to skip that ball to the open guy every time. But the thing is, you're Gonna probably have two 15s up in the Raptor in Denver. And that's the only way to do it.
- [66:00]
Unknown
Okay.
- [66:00]
Joe Johnson
Now you think Denver gonna retire Mellow Jersey.
- [66:04]
Shannon Sharpe
But here's the thing. Most people know him as a Knick.
- [66:08]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [66:08]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [66:08]
Shannon Sharpe
I think New York, they know him as a Knick. Yeah. And then how he forced his way out of Denver. There are a lot of people that probably. I mean, ownership. He forced his way out of there, there. And what. What he didn't realize in the process of going to New York and what he thought he was going to have.
- [66:26]
Joe Johnson
Right.
- [66:26]
Shannon Sharpe
You forced them to give up everything. So now you there by yourself. Yeah. You're there by yourself because none of the pieces, they had to get up off of Garland already. They had to get up of all those pieces. Yeah.
- [66:37]
Joe Johnson
They had to give up them pieces. And he got Amari, what year? Probably his second, third year now.
- [66:42]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Excuse me.
- [66:44]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. But I think the Knicks are definitely retired Jersey.
- [66:47]
Shannon Sharpe
But they should.
- [66:48]
Joe Johnson
But yeah, Yolk then kind of took over that number 15 in Denver, man. And he's been impressive, bro. I know that. I definitely see I got a chance to play against him a few times, and I ain't see.
- [67:00]
Shannon Sharpe
Did you think he was gonna be this when you played? Cause you caught him early. Did you think he was gonna be this?
- [67:04]
Joe Johnson
Nah, he was good then, but he wasn't like this. Like, he. Man, it's like every night he's just.
- [67:10]
Shannon Sharpe
Missed the consistency, something different.
- [67:12]
Joe Johnson
So, you know, he gonna put up a triple double. You know, he gonna have probably 30, 40 points. And it's just if the guys around him gonna pitch in and give him some help, whether they gonna win or not, I think that's. That's been the biggest. The biggest thing who's gonna be consistent for yo.
- [67:27]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Right.
- [67:27]
Joe Johnson
You know, especially when it comes to the postseason.
- [67:30]
Unknown
Hey, I don't know. It's something about. It's something about Luka. It's something about Jokic. The way they play the game, it looks. It's so slow, so methodical. You can't speed up their game. They play at their own pace, and they so efficient when they shooting every single time.
- [67:45]
Joe Johnson
Never in a rush. Never in a rush. Poison patience at his finest. Man, I love watching him.
- [67:52]
Shannon Sharpe
And I think the thing. I think the thing is, is that when you're not as athletic as those guys, right, you have to develop fine ways to score. They're not jumping over everybody. They're not jumping over anybody. They're not going to run around anybody. So what are other ways that I can be able to score? What are the other ways that I can get to my. Get to my spot?
- [68:09]
Joe Johnson
Right.
- [68:10]
Shannon Sharpe
I can't let you speed me up because now I'm getting outside of my body because that's not the way I'm built.
- [68:16]
Joe Johnson
So I think for those two guys, they both can shoot the three, and they can shoot at an efficient level. So you have to get out there. So once they get a step on you and get by you, they in between game with them little floater cut shots that Jokic got and Luga got. That's where it comes into play. Being able to see the corners at the peripheral of your vision and making guys around you better. That's why they so hard to guard, man. They are super unselfish, but at the same time, once they find themselves little crease in the in, in, in, in. In your defense. Yeah, and they get into the te. To your defense, they cause all kind of havoc with those little touch floaters and things of that sort. That's, that's why they, they a tough.
- [68:53]
Shannon Sharpe
Matchup and they know how to draw fouls.
- [68:56]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, there we go. Yeah. Bait you. Bait you in the f. Once l get a step on you, he gonna stop.
- [69:04]
Unknown
Oh, yeah.
- [69:05]
Joe Johnson
Run into the back of you. You.
- [69:08]
Unknown
They both of them use their body real well.
- [69:11]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, hey, if like, you know, hey, joke. Hey, somebody won't let you. Won't let you get over. I speed up, get in front and flam the brakes. That's exactly how. Hey, Joe. That I had to help. I was, I told Ocho last year, I had that happen to me. I was at the, I was at the light, the stop light. The light turned green, and so I see the light turn green. So I, I, I start to go, but the guy in front of me didn't move, man. We pulled to the side. He pulled over to the side. There was a guy at the tow truck at the 7:11. He had the tow truck. He come over there. He's like, hey, shutter Sharp, how you doing, man? He heard him say, shutter Sharp. Dude grabbed his neck and fell right in the middle of the road. Get out of here. I said, come on, man, get out of here. He grabbed the back of his neck, fell down the road. They called the ambulance to come get him.
- [70:01]
Joe Johnson
Hold on. You hit him. You ran to the back of him.
- [70:04]
Shannon Sharpe
Going two miles an hour. I did 200 worth of damage. I broke. I broke the license plate on the back of his car. Hey, he was fine until the guy told him my name was nothing wrong. He's like, hey, the moment he heard Shannon Sharp that go grab the back.
- [70:21]
Unknown
Of the neck, what'd you say? He fell out. He fell out in the middle of.
- [70:24]
Shannon Sharpe
The road right there, side of the road.
- [70:27]
Joe Johnson
Oh, the man, the man, put that neck brace on for two weeks just in case anybody was watching.
- [70:37]
Shannon Sharpe
He tried to sue me and then talk about. Well, I'll settle for. I'll settle for $2,000 and some memorabilia, signs. I said f you.
- [70:44]
Unknown
Hey, that's. That's funny. That way.
- [70:46]
Shannon Sharpe
Joe, let me ask you this. Give me an all time starting five. Joe Johnson, you the head coach. Give me your starting five all time. So pass all time starting five all time.
- [70:59]
Joe Johnson
I'm going. Sound like big guards, man. I'm a big guard. Yeah. I like. I grew up watching Penny Hardaway. I'm gonna put Penny at the one.
- [71:07]
Unknown
Okay.
- [71:08]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay.
- [71:09]
Joe Johnson
I'm gonna put MJ at the two.
- [71:12]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay.
- [71:14]
Joe Johnson
I'm putting Brian at the three.
- [71:17]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay.
- [71:19]
Joe Johnson
I'm putting Ticket, big kg. I'm putting Ticket at the four.
- [71:23]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay.
- [71:24]
Joe Johnson
I like that. And I'm putting. I'm putting Shaq at the fire.
- [71:30]
Unknown
I like that's.
- [71:31]
Joe Johnson
That's a good.
- [71:32]
Shannon Sharpe
God damn you. You left Magic. You left Magic out there at the point, and you left Tim Duncan.
- [71:37]
Joe Johnson
Hey. Oh, I love all of them, but I can only go with five. I ain't got but five. Yeah, I ain't got no five. That's my five. That's my five, G. I actually left that. Leave Kobe over there.
- [71:47]
Unknown
You left Colby.
- [71:50]
Joe Johnson
You put Jordan at the tube. I'm a huge coach. I had to go with mj. I went with mj. What you want me to do, Ocho?
- [71:57]
Unknown
Talk to me. Who your five? Who your all time five?
- [72:03]
Shannon Sharpe
Magic at the one? Jordan, Bron, Duncan, Kareem.
- [72:09]
Unknown
You got Kareem over Shaq?
- [72:11]
Shannon Sharpe
I do.
- [72:14]
Joe Johnson
Okay. I don't think Kareem could do nothing with Shaq.
- [72:17]
Shannon Sharpe
What Shaq gonna do with Kareem? Who gonna stop that sky hook? Okay, so both of them got 40. You know, ain't nobody blocking that sky hook. You ain't seen nobody block that sky hook.
- [72:29]
Joe Johnson
I ain't saying I ain't seen nobody block this guy, but, you know, like I said, Kareem play. I just, you know, obviously I wasn't. I wasn't really watching. I wasn't around at that time, but I seen Shaq, man. I played against Shaq. I'm talking about at his apex.
- [72:43]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [72:44]
Joe Johnson
I'm talking about Manny was. No, I don't care what you did. You weren't stopping it.
- [72:52]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [72:52]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Hey, my team gonna blow the doors off you.
- [72:56]
Joe Johnson
You think so?
- [72:57]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah.
- [72:58]
Joe Johnson
Oh. Oh, no, no. I ain't going home.
- [73:01]
Unknown
You said blow the doors.
- [73:03]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [73:04]
Unknown
He had hard. Listen, he had hardaway.
- [73:07]
Shannon Sharpe
He Had Jordan. We both got Jordan. You tell me I can't pick Jordan. I'll take Kobe if you say, well, hey, I already got mj. I'll take Jordan.
- [73:19]
Joe Johnson
Man, MJ ain't letting them fool lose.
- [73:21]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, now, if you say, well, I already got LeBron, I'm gonna take Bird. So I got. If you tell me so if I'm taking an all time, you say, okay, who your all time start five, right? I'm gonna say magic, Jordan Braun into three, Duncan at the four and. And Kareem at the five. You took Penny at the one, Jordan at the two, LeBron at the three, Ticket at the four, Shaq at the five.
- [73:45]
Joe Johnson
Man, we. Hey, it's gonna be a good game now. Y'all gonna lose, huh?
- [73:49]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, hey, hey, Chad, we gonna put it up. Hey, hey, hey. Put it up there. Put it up there we go. See? We gonna see. Who. Who team they think gonna win.
- [74:00]
Joe Johnson
Oh, I got. I know I got uncle on this one.
- [74:02]
Shannon Sharpe
Nah, nah, nah, nah. Not with Magic.
- [74:06]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, I know Magic gonna control the game. I feel like Joel is. I think. I honestly think him and Penny gonna kind of cancel each other out. I just don't think. And I know you gonna say Magic got, what, five rings and Penny ain't got nothing. But I'm talking about Penny at his apex.
- [74:21]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, he was.
- [74:22]
Joe Johnson
He was probably. He was almost better than Jordan. Like, he was selling more. He was selling more product than MJ at one point.
- [74:28]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, that little. With that little Penny dog.
- [74:30]
Unknown
Yeah. Hey, hey, Joe. When them phone. When them phone posits came out like that. Galaxy blue, royal blue. Getting them phone positive, man.
- [74:42]
Joe Johnson
Hey, hey, look. Hey, look. Him and MJ still making big money off.
- [74:47]
Unknown
Absolutely.
- [74:48]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah.
- [74:48]
Joe Johnson
They didn't change the game.
- [74:50]
Unknown
Absolutely.
- [74:52]
Shannon Sharpe
All right, Joe, you wanted to talk about. Joe has a yoga studio. What's the studio called?
- [74:58]
Joe Johnson
ISO Yoga. We've been open for a little over a year now. I got into hot yoga. Huh? 26 and 2. I got into it in 2009. I dealt with a lot of injuries, tendonitis, things of that sort. And I was just looking for a way to heal myself, bro. And getting in that hot room, letting that heat penetrate your muscles, joints, tendons, things of that sort. It was beneficial for me. And I just trying to. Right now, I try to get a lot of the young guys in them. Get it started early. 14, 15 years old, a lot of young athletes, because it'll improve performance, decrease injuries, which is huge, and enhanced cardiovascular, things of that sort. And I just try to help these Dudes, man, along the way. So, you know, you can find different ways to kind of challenge yourself and be a better athlete. You know what I mean?
- [75:54]
Shannon Sharpe
Are you on IG or how do they find you?
- [75:57]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, we on Instagram, Isoyoga. You can look us up. We right in midtown of Atlanta, right across from Ansley's Mall. I'm in there pretty much. I'm in there pretty much every day. And man, we have a great, great community who comes out and shows us so much love and support. And it's been amazing because this has been a challenge for me. Unc. I played, I've been playing basketball since I was man, what, 14, 15 years old. And now finally it's a slow down for me. And now I got a chance to kind of have a job to, to some degree. You know, I go in there and kind of, you know, as, as we have different people who come in the studio to take class, whether it's Pilates, whether it's yoga, because we got Pilates as well, right? We got cryotherapy, we got red light therapy. So people coming up for different. Yeah, people coming up for different reasons. And I implemented all this into yoga because this is what I used on a day to day basis when I was playing professional basketball.
- [76:54]
Shannon Sharpe
I like the brecram yoga. I like brecram Joe. It was just so hard. Cause I'm a sweater. It was just so hard. It was so hard for me to stay hydrated. So I would just like 30 minutes in the class, I'm locked up because I don't go through a gallon of. I done gone through a gallon of water, Joe. But let me ask you this. And also, do you find that you're still able to get into. Because I know when you warmed up, you're really warm, you can really get into those poses. Do you find that you're still able to get. Your muscles are still able and you're still able to be able to be as flexible when the temperature is not as hot?
- [77:30]
Joe Johnson
Nah, that's my thing. So I tried regular yoga. See when I was in college, coach Nolan Richardson up in Fayetteville, Arkansas, playing for the Razorbacks, he used to have, he used to have this lady come by and she would do yoga with us on the court, but it was cold. You know, I couldn't really. I was never a flexible dude, so I couldn't really get into it like that. So I think when I became a professional athlete and it was brought to me, yeah, I can't do the. Just room temperature. I Gotta be in the heat, man. I need, I'm a heat junkie. I gotta be in the heat because my muscles and joints opens up and I just feel so much better, man.
- [78:06]
Unknown
I like that. It's funny, you know, Joe, I played for, you know, 11, 12 years, but I ain't never had no injuries, I never got hurt. So I never did anything, you know, like yoga, Pilates, and honestly, I can't sit still that long unless it has anything, unless it has to do with gaming, you know, playing FIFA, playing Call of Duty, playing Madden, playing 2K, I can't sit there long. Then you've added the, the element of it being hot in there, you know? So now me, who now I'm 57, I have never done nothing like that, but now I'm interested in trying it.
- [78:36]
Joe Johnson
You know, you gotta chill. You gotta chill. You gotta chill. No, you gotta chill. You gotta chill, for real, I'm serious. You gotta chill. Listen, you be having a lot going through your head.
- [78:45]
Unknown
Nah, nah. Hey, you know what?
- [78:47]
Joe Johnson
You just can't be still. You just can't be in a hot room and be still and just be.
- [78:51]
Unknown
Calm and I can't, I can't, I can't.
- [78:54]
Joe Johnson
But this is, I'm a come, I'm coming. To be able to.
- [78:58]
Shannon Sharpe
He need to be able to make a lives on, on the move. Yeah, I got, we in the yoga. He stationed there too long. Yeah, in his mind.
- [79:05]
Joe Johnson
But listen, this is what I'm doing. Yeah, the mind, the body benefits through movement, but the mind benefits through stillness. So you have to, you have to practice it, man. You have to practice stillness when you. Because see, when you be in that hot room, you're gonna be on the line, you're gonna be under some stress. Right, but the thing is everybody's under stress. We all just handle it a little differently, you know what I mean?
- [79:26]
Unknown
Yes, sir.
- [79:27]
Joe Johnson
And that's the thing, that's, that's the part of yoga, mentally, that, that takes you to a place probably you've never been, bro. Like, it makes you, it increases the focus and concentration, I think when it comes to athletics especially. But yeah, it helps it out tremendously.
- [79:44]
Shannon Sharpe
I tried it all, Joe. I've done Beef Room, I've done Astanga, I've done Pilates with the Mega Reformers. I've done it all, I tried everything. That's one thing. That's why when I, when I walked away from the game, I ain't look back because I know, I invested. I all the. From yoga to Bikram to Astanga to Pilates, to the way I trained, to the way I ate. I ain't got nothing else to give.
- [80:07]
Joe Johnson
It kept you, right? Kept me strong.
- [80:09]
Shannon Sharpe
It did. It did. I was flexible. I still had to have both hips replaced, Joe. But, hey, you know what? I might check it out.
- [80:16]
Joe Johnson
I might straight through there, man. Y'all come down here. Hold on, I'm coming. Come, Holly, man. I got you. I'm gonna take care of y'all, man. I'm get y'all, right. Hey, look, Ocho. Sba, baby. We want to still be able to move around.
- [80:26]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, hey, hey, hey, Joe.
- [80:27]
Unknown
Listen, boy, let me tell you something. You see, I take one of these right here, I take one of these bars. I can move now.
- [80:35]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, hey.
- [80:36]
Unknown
I can move.
- [80:37]
Shannon Sharpe
Joe. Hey, Joe. Hey. Oh, Joe. I don't need to do up for this right here. That's all that I need to move, and I need to do that other stuff. You talking joke. I don't need to do all that. You doing too much now. Hey, Joe, man, we appreciate you joining us, man. Come back and join us again soon, man.
- [80:53]
Joe Johnson
Damn. Hey, hey, I appreciate y'all, man. Much love. Thank you, man. Thank y'all for the joy.
- [80:59]
Shannon Sharpe
Appreciate that. Hey, by the way, Joe, your team won. Whose team is better? You beat me. 60, 60, 60, 60, 34.
- [81:06]
Joe Johnson
Come on. I told you. Hey, I know a little bit. I know a little bit. I know a little bit.
- [81:18]
Unknown
Okay, that was good.
- [81:19]
Joe Johnson
That was good.
- [81:20]
Shannon Sharpe
That was great, man. I see it from time to time around here when I come back to Atlanta. I do. I do see him from time to time. Yeah. But I'm gonna check his place out. Next time I come to Atlanta, I'm gonna set some time aside. I'm gonna go down there and check him out, see what he got going on.
- [81:33]
Unknown
That's dope.
- [81:35]
The volume.
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