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Nightcap Hour 1: John Harbaugh INKS DEAL with Giants + Rich Paul SUGGESTS Lakers TRADE Austin Reaves + TIME for Ja Morant TO GO
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Joe Johnson
I'm him.
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Shannon Sharpe
I'm your favorite unc, the guy that's joining us, filling in my partner, normal partner on a Thursday night. He's on a flight to Brazil to do one of his. I think he said he up to 38 jobs right now, so he's on his way to do his 39th job. So filling in is the third member of the big three that normally joins us on a Wednesday night. But he was so gracious to hey, say you know what Unc, I had such a great time on Tuesday night. I'm gonna come back and join you guys again, you again on Thursday night. So we're gonna appreciate. He's a University of Arkansas alum, Arkansas Little Rock native, a seven time NBA all star Atlanta Hawk, great ISO Joe Johnson. Joe, thanks for stopping in for us, bro. Appreciate it.
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Joe Johnson
Come on man. No problem man, no problem. Appreciate you for having me.
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Shannon Sharpe
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Joe Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
I felt someone of his, of his stature was looking for a team that had a quarterback that is the quickest way. Look at Chicago.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
Ben Johnson took that job. What did they have in place? A quarterback? The New England Patriots, who. Mike Braywood took that job. What did they have in place? The quickest way to get to the playoffs, to get on the winning track is to have a quarterback. They believe they have their quarterback. John Harbaugh, more importantly, believes they have their quarterback. That is why he took this job so quickly. Joe, what do you think you like to have?
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Joe Johnson
I, I, I, I like the hire, but I'm wondering what harbor do you think that was the best quarterback situation? You think that's the real reason why he took that job off? I mean, obviously they paid him what he wanted, but I mean, I think.
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Shannon Sharpe
Honestly I think he could have got that from anywhere.
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Joe Johnson
But that's, I mean if he could have got that anywhere, it's, it's a lot of enticing jobs out here, man, with, with a lot of talent versus, you know, he got scatterable and, and, and, and the receiver. Them dudes coming out with extremely, you know, unfortunate injuries. You know what I mean?
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Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
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Joe Johnson
I'm wondering from a talent perspective, do you think this, do you think that was the best team that he probably could have went to?
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Shannon Sharpe
Okay, here are the teams. Arizona, they don't have a quarterback. They're going to move on from Kyler Murray, they have Jacoby Brissette. The question of the Tennessee Titans, they have Cam Ward. But he, it seems to me he believed that situation with that roster. You look at the defense, Brian Burns, you look at Dexter Lawrence, you look at Abdul Carter, who they took very high. They had Wanda Robinson. That came off a great season. I get what you're saying about Malik Neighbors, but he should be up to speed because that injury happened so early in the season. He should have a full recovery. Scatter boot. We don't know about that. We'll see how that thing. It seems like it's progressing. Now. They do need some offensive line because the problem is they. He took the. Before, before Jackson, Dart got in there, he was taking a lot. Russ was the quarterback, right? Sacked a lot. Now you're going to have to protect Dart and Dart's going to have to protect himself from taking unnecessary hits. You're not a running back, you're not Derrick Henry. So you need to get that thought out your head. You need to be smart. Don't be afraid to run out of bounds. Don't be afraid to get on the turf. Sometimes you have to know when the journey is over. But if you look at the jets, you like the jets, they don't have a quarterback. And that, that, that franchise is. Is in disarray, is dysfunctional. The Giants has been. Have. Has been dysfunctional for a period of time. But all things being equal, I trust the Giants in that situation. And I don't know what. Maybe it's just. I'm hoping the Giant situation more than I trust the Jets. Okay, the Falcons, I think, me personally, I think the Falcons have more of the talent, but they still have undecided issues at the quarterback position. So you look at the teams that have a. That have openings. I think the Giants have the best quarterback situation. Do they have more talent than Atlanta? I don't believe they do now, but they have a quarterback. And it doesn't matter how much talent you got, you better have a quarterback that can pull the trigger.
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Joe Johnson
Right? Okay, I understand that part. I just feel like it's a lot of other teams, especially when you look from the defensive side, I know you gotta have a quarterback. You gotta have guys at skill positions. You gotta put points on the board. Well, if you can't stop nobody, man, you're gonna be in trouble. I don't know how great the Giants defense was. So, you know, that's probably what more I'm looking, I'm looking toward, you know, I'm like, okay, what, what are they, what is a defense like?
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Shannon Sharpe
Well, if you, you could predict the best way, if your defense is subpar is to keep Them off the field. If you got a quarterback that's turning the ball over, if you can't run the football, that is the quickest way to put your defense back on the field. Right now you could be just porous and not be scheme schematically or, or don't have the pieces in place. A lot of Cowboys. Cowboys offense is sensational.
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Joe Johnson
What you trying to say?
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Shannon Sharpe
The Cowboys offense is sensational. It's your defense whether it's schematically. Now, look, you've had a history of this, Joe, for the last decade. You've gone through a ton of different defensive coordinators and with the same results. Your offense is in the top five, your defense is in the bottom five. That's not a good recipe, but I'm looking at just the coach just now. If Green Bay was available, I would tell him to take his ass to Green Bay.
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Joe Johnson
Right, Right.
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Shannon Sharpe
Because they're going to get Michael back at some point. I don't know if he's going to start week one, but there's a chance he's going to. He's going to play at least. Let's just say for the sake of argument, somewhere between 11 and 12 games. If he stays healthy, they might start him on the PUP list and then he'll have to miss the first four games. But you look at them defensively, you look at the offensively, their quarterback, they got Jordan Love. They got receivers, they got a running game. They. They got a nice. They got a nice offensive line. But of the position that were available, Miami. You like Miami. Their defense isn't that good. They don't have no quarterback. They're going to move on from Tua, it seems like. I like Ed Chan, I love him, he's sensational. But they need offensive offensive line help. They got waddle, so we'll see. I like Darren Wall at tight end. He showed me enough that he still has juice in the orange and he should be. He should come back. But I'm just looking at it from a standpoint of teams that have available coaching positions. The Giants have the best quarterback situation based on what I saw this year. Now that could change. Cam Ward could come back and have a stellar sophomore season because we see it. Yeah.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
And we don't know. I don't think it's. I don't think it's bad. Maybe if they had five or six more games, maybe he missed a game and he comes back. But of the coaching, the coaching vacancies that available. I like the Giants, I like the Falcons overall, but I Like the Giants quarterback. And like I said, I think I laid out pretty good chat. If you look at the team, look at, look at where the, the Patriots were last year. Now they're in the division around the playoff. Look at the Bears.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
In the division around the playoff. Both teams playing at home. Now they did go out. They signed, the Patriots, signed Stefon Diggs in free agency. They got big Milton Williams. They, they brought some guys in and so you like, okay, and you can do some things. I think the Giants are going to do that. And I don't know where they are cap wise, but they definitely need some offensive line help to make sure they can protect Jackson Dart. But I like this hire. It's a, it's a proven commodity. Ain't no guesswork. What I wonder if he can do. He's never been a head coach. The man was just a head coach for the last 18 years.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah. Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
So I think he, I think he's a proven commodity.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, I agree. It's, I think it's, it's a great high for the Giants. Obviously you want to be able to keep Jackson Dart on, on the field. Hopefully, you know, he's starting to, he starts to be a lot smarter going in year two. But I mean he, they, they got to put, they, they, they got to get a defense on this that can help the offense. Obviously, like you say you want, you want the offense to stay on the field so the, so the defense don't have to work as hard. But for the most part, it looked like Harbaugh wanted more control than anything.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I, I. Look, when you've been in that position, Joe, and you've had some control, it's hard for you to go to another situation and have no control.
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Joe Johnson
Right.
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Shannon Sharpe
Especially after you've been at the job for an extended period of time. He's been on the task for 18 years and to go in most coaches, that's the hardest thing. I mean, when you look at Coach Belichick and Coach. Coach Belichick has had total control. It was gonna. If for me, it's gonna be hard for me to see him going somewhere with where he has little to no control.
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Joe Johnson
Right? Absolutely.
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Shannon Sharpe
Because so I think that's the thing. And look, the reports are Mike Tomlin's not looking to coach. But I like Mike Tomlin in Atlanta.
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Joe Johnson
Oh man.
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Shannon Sharpe
Do you know I like Mike Tomlin in Atlanta, man.
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Joe Johnson
You know how these people embrace Mike Tomlin. If he came here to Atlanta, oh, we, he going to have to find him a quarterback. Though, huh?
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Shannon Sharpe
Yes, for sure. For sure. And I think. I think I. I think as far as there's no question in my mind of the team, the openings that's available. They have the best talent, man, they got better talent than the car. Now, I like the Cardinals. Now, look, you look at what the Cardinals got. They got McBride, who. Who are arguably the best tight end in football, right? They got Wilson, who. Who came on and showed like gangbusters. Marvin Harrison Jr. Hey, got Nick this year. Kind of regressed a little bit, but I think he's talented. You get some offensive line, you get, you know, plug a few pieces in defensively, but they don't have what Atlanta has. No, sir. You look at Bijan Robinson, you look at Drake London, you look at Kyle Pitts, you're gonna have to sign him back. They. They have pieces. And defensively, oh, my goodness.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, man, that defensive line they got is a monster man.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yes. And I like. But at the end of the. Jj, look, look at. And we're going to talk about this. Look at every quarterback that's in the playoffs. Only one was drafted outside of the first round. You got number one overall pick, Matt Stafford, number one overall pick, Caleb Williams. You see number three pick, see? And number two pick in C.J. stroud, number three pick, and Drake May.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
Number three pick in Sam Darnold.
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Joe Johnson
You got to have a bad boy back there.
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Shannon Sharpe
Bo Nicks, Josh Allen, all those number one picks, only one quarterback was outside. If you don't have that, I don't give them what your defense look like.
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Joe Johnson
Right.
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Shannon Sharpe
Because sometimes your defense is going to have to overcome bad play. They will now. CJ Stroud can't play Sunday like he played Monday. They're going home. You for sure, because he gonna put his defense in harm's way. They're not going to have to drive the football very far. And they have more weapons and they're able to run the football and they're able to protect better than what the Steelers were able to do. So he can't have the type of game that he had. But without a quarterback in today's game, the way they have instructed, the way they set it up, you can't win without a quarterback. And so I like this. I like this hire for the Giants.
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Joe Johnson
Hey, Boo. I like it, too. Well, with these, with these coaches, with these vacancies and let's say you're a head coach going into a situation, don't you kind of have some say so, like, if you go into a situation like Atlanta, you know, you need a quarterback and they, they, they ask you to be the head coach, don't you kind of got some say so some guys who you think you may want to bring in.
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Shannon Sharpe
If you're Mike Tomlin. Yes. If you're John Harbaugh. Yes. But sometimes you're a first year coach, you don't have a whole lot of say. John harbor had to build up to get that. Mike Tomlin had to build up to get that. Coach Belichick had a lot of control but he built up and got even more. Andy Reid got some control but he built up. They got more as they started winning. You coming in and you haven't been a head coach before or you don't, you haven't won, you want to do. You said what, there's only 32 of those positions available.
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Joe Johnson
Right, Right.
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Shannon Sharpe
So you're happy to have one of them. Now if you win, you'll get more just like Ben Johnson. I believe he'll get more, more say. Mike Rabel is going to have more say. But they, Mike was a head coach. He took a team to a championship. He, you know, he's, he's coached in big games before. And so with this situation, you turn that around, you go from 4 and 13 to what, 13 and 4. Ben Johnson, I mean Chicago, you know what they were over the last several years.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
But now that you got that quarterback position solidified, they're going to have a little bit more say. Now mind you, those quarterbacks were already on staff. It wasn't like, you know, Mike Vrabel selected.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
It wasn't like Ben Johnson selected Caleb Williams.
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Joe Johnson
Absolutely.
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Shannon Sharpe
So it definitely helps if you've got a quarterback already on staff.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
Now you can build out your roster how you want and, and have some success doing that. So it's going to be very, very interesting. But congratulations, John Harbaugh on the job for 100 days.
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Will Smith
I'm going to cross the seven continents because the answers to everything important are out there at the edges of our world. I'm stepping into the unknown. Where are we going to see our planet? This is amazing as it's never been seen before. From pole to poll.
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Shannon Sharpe
Pole to poll with Will Smith from National Geographic now streaming on Disney and Hulu.
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Shannon Sharpe
This is right up your alley right here, Joe. Rich Paul suggested the Lakers should trade Austin Reeve For Jaren Jackson Jr. Is Jaren Jackson Jr. Rich Paul client caused significant ripples but in fact the tensions reached the sidelines on Tuesday night when AR's agent Reggie Berry confronted Paul. One of Austin Reeves agent reported reportedly confronted Rich Paul at the Lakers game per day. McMiniman one of Reed's agents Reggie Bear of AMR agency approached Paul on the sideline dear half court at halftime of the Lakers hawks game Tuesday night. 2 the two people spoke for about for about five minutes or so and the topics of conversation with Paul public trade scenario regarding Reeves. Rich Paul has a podcast Rich Paul and look, I, I like Rich, but Rich Paul is talking like he's not an agent.
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Joe Johnson
Right?
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Shannon Sharpe
He's talking like he you and I this. Yeah, this is something we might have should have suggested. But for an agent that has one of the biggest names on and you know, he's talking about Jalen Johnson, who's one of his clients, he's talking about this and that. But what were your thoughts when you heard that a current agent getting on his podcast and playing out scenarios for teams in which one of his players is on set team?
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, I thought it was very conflicting because as an agent, you know what you say holds a lot of value.
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Shannon Sharpe
Absolutely.
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Joe Johnson
You know what I mean? And coming from Rich, you know, for, you know, obviously LeBron being his top client and on the Lakers with Austin Reeves suggesting that they should trade Austin Reeves for Jan Jackson, man, that's a touchy. That's a touchy situation because he's an agent.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
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Joe Johnson
If I'm representing Austin Reeves. Yeah, we gonna we when I come to the games. Yeah, we need to have a talk as well. I need to sit down and talk with you too. Hey man, don't be throwing no in the windows out there about my clients, you know what I mean? So I can understand the ruffles and Austin's agents. So I, I really don't know what Rich. What Rich Paul was thinking in that moment, man. Or maybe he didn't give a damn. You know, I think, yeah, I think that.
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Shannon Sharpe
Look, I, I don't have look, you know you're gonna get yourself in trouble because if you talk long enough, Joe, you're gonna Say something that you probably shouldn't have said right now. Rich knows better. He knows just like what he said about LeBron and things of that nature. You have to be careful in a situation like that. And I'm glad LeBron came out and said what he said because I don't think this. But people will automatically try to tie it to thought. That's LeBron's agent. LeBron says, well, y' all know how I feel about, how I feel about AR.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
And I think LeBron does hold him in very high regard. But I, I, I just thought in this situation right here, if you want to have a podcast, have a podcast and, but when you're talking about, I just looked at this, I, I don't know how professional this is. Yeah, yeah.
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Joe Johnson
I would have a problem from an agent standpoint.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yes, Yes. I would have a problem with, about that, about you talking about somebody else's client. Yeah. Obviously, AR is repped by AMR. Jaren Jackson Jr. Triple J is repped by CAA.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
I'm just like, so, so what's the play?
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Joe Johnson
Hey, he, he, he looking out. I guess he, I guess he called himself looking out for the Lakers because when you think about it for really, if that trade could happen on, you know, it obviously will be super beneficial for the Lakers.
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Shannon Sharpe
If you just want me, Jared Jackson, Jared Jackson, he might give you 25 one night, he might give you 12 and 7 the next. He gonna have to be. He's not a consistent big man like Yan. If he was gonna give me what Giannis or he could give me what Jokic or he could give me what Embiid was in his prime, I'll make the trade tomorrow.
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Joe Johnson
Well, well, you never know. Think about this. You got to think about Jan Jackson, Luca and pick and roll. LeBron and Jan Jackson and pick and rolls. I just think when the playoffs come to have three top scores like that, it's just going to be so tough on them three to be able to carry all that weight. For AR to average 25 to 27 points, Luca averaging 30, Braun averaging 25. That's going to be a lot, man, because you, your interior, your interior is going to suffer. Your interior is going to suffer. They're going to have to make a move. They got to do something.
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Shannon Sharpe
But when job. But here's the thing. But when JA was there in Memphis, Jaren Jackson wasn't in pick and roll. Jaw was in pick and roll with 8 80. Ja was in pick and roll with Adams. He wasn't in pick and Roll with jj. JJ wanna shoot threes? Yeah, he.
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Joe Johnson
He wanted. He want to shoot threes. He can go off the dribble. He a little versatile. He a versatile. Big at the five spot.
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Shannon Sharpe
He.
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Joe Johnson
He probably gonna have a mismatch every.
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Shannon Sharpe
Every night.
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Joe Johnson
He probably gonna have a mismatch if he playing the five.
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Shannon Sharpe
But what are we gonna do with it?
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Joe Johnson
Well, you put him with LeBron and Luca, you never know. You never know.
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Shannon Sharpe
But the problem that I have, Joe, is that when we say that everybody can't handle those expectations because, you know, the expectations on a nightly basis, he's never had. Even when Memph was at their apex, he. He never had the expectations he would literally have playing in LA. That's why everybody can't play with LeBron. These guys be making threes. I mean, guys be throwing it over their head like Curly Neil, excuse me, merman. And they get with LeBron, they can't throw it in the ocean because that pressure the expectations or is championship or bust. And now you put him with Luca also.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, I just think, look, look at this. LeBron and Luca, they require so much attention. You know what I mean? Like, you think about it. Aiden gets so many easy baskets and if you could put. If you. What? What happened, man?
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Shannon Sharpe
I don't know. You don't know what you're gonna get with Aiden? I mean, excuse me, Ayton Joe, ain't no way I could be that. Ain't no way I'd be seven foot tall. Oh, I'm. I'm go. I'm getting 20 and 10, 20 and 12 every single night. Yeah.
- [28:02]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. What do you get? He giving about what, 15 and getting about 15 and eight a night.
- [28:05]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, but. But the thing is, Joe. But what night? One night he might give me nine and nine. It should be so easy with him because, you know, first of all, Luca and LeBron's going to take up so much attention with Ars off the court.
- [28:22]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [28:22]
Shannon Sharpe
And when Ar comes back, you got three guys. Everybody's folks, hey, everybody's focused on those three guys. Put him in the Duncan spot. Put him in pick and roll. Let him pick and pop. Let him, Let him roll downhill, bro. He just. I don't. I don't know. His motor. His motor is just not what it needs to be. And I don't. I think. Look, I. I don't think Jared, I think Jaren Jackson is fine, is a solid player, but. Excuse me, I don't know what you guys think. Chat, but he doesn't move the needle for me. I Don't think he makes the. Does he. Does he make the Lakers better than okc? Does he make the Lakers better than the. The, The. The Nuggets when they get them back, based on the way Jamal Murray and now Peyton Watson is playing? Does he with Jokic?
- [29:09]
Joe Johnson
Hey, you know, chemistry and continuity is everything. You never know what the chemistry may be with him, him and them guys. Because I think. I think Jan Jackson is more of a rim protector than Aiden is.
- [29:20]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, he is. Absolutely.
- [29:22]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. You know what I mean? So defensively, Aiden ain't gonna give you no four, five blocks. Three, three, four, five blocks. You know what I mean? He probably give you double figure rebounds, but defensively, guarding his man help defense, he. You ain't gonna get much out of him from that.
- [29:36]
Shannon Sharpe
And we gonna get Aiden at the rim or he gonna be out there ready to shoot threes. And plus another thing. Joe file trouble. He might have. He might have four files by halftime.
- [29:49]
Joe Johnson
Hey, listen, I'm.
- [29:51]
Shannon Sharpe
They.
- [29:51]
Joe Johnson
The Lakers gonna shake something up, man. They got some. They got some great valuable assets and if they want. Look, LeBron ain't getting no younger, huh? They got to try to go forward this year.
- [30:02]
Shannon Sharpe
But the thing is. You said. But they got valuable assets. They're not. First of all, I don't. They're. They're never trading Luca. They're not going to make. Because the Lakers. You need to draw. Yeah, he'll draw. Now, he's not going to play any defense, but you know that. There's two things you know about Luca. He's not going to play defense and he's going to argue with the officials. So just. Just stop telling them to play defense and stop telling them to stop arguing with officials. Those two things, they're like taxes. They're going to happen. They're going to happen. Hey, this is what JJ told the athletic Joe. At first I didn't think it was real. You have to figure out if it's real usually. Now, I'm not as versed in technology wise as those people younger than me. I was figuring it out. If it's AI deep fake, all that stuff, then it wasn't. It was the first time Rich had publicly played GM on his new podcast. In December, as speculation ran rampant over Giannis possibly asking out of Milwaukee, Paul said the buck should demand rising star Jalen Johnson in return. Johnson is a client of Paul, and the agent admitted Johnson wouldn't want to play in his hometown of Milwaukee. Well, why would you throw that out there?
- [31:13]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, they ain't.
- [31:13]
Shannon Sharpe
They ain't why would you even come, Joe? Why would you even comment on stuff like that? Now, if I were team, I honestly. And I. And I. And I think the world of Rich Paul, I would be hesitant to talk to Rich because I'm afraid he might leak something. Yeah, and.
- [31:27]
Joe Johnson
And. But Rich also knows and. And the power of having a podcast and. And knowing his voice, you know, he knows it's going to be sound bait. He know people gonna pick this up and talk about it. You know what I mean? But Jalen ain't going nowhere. They ain't letting that boy out of Atlanta. It's a rap.
- [31:42]
Shannon Sharpe
They let him out of Atlanta for Giannis, Jalen Johnson. They'll let y' all let Jalen Johnson out of there for Giannis? Absolutely.
- [31:52]
Joe Johnson
How old is Giannis?
- [31:53]
Shannon Sharpe
On 31.
- [31:56]
Joe Johnson
He 31. What, Jalen? 23, 24.
- [32:01]
Shannon Sharpe
They not letting me 31. Judge Johnson's 24.
- [32:10]
Joe Johnson
Atlanta ain't gonna do that.
- [32:12]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay? Because I already know. I already know. Y' all just gonna give me 30 and 15. Okay, my bad. I'm too high. 30 and 13 with five assists on 60 shooting.
- [32:27]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, he gonna.
- [32:28]
Shannon Sharpe
He gonna get it.
- [32:29]
Joe Johnson
He gonna give you that.
- [32:29]
Shannon Sharpe
But.
- [32:29]
Joe Johnson
But Jalen gonna give you just. He gonna give you just as good as numbers as y' all is gonna have.
- [32:33]
Shannon Sharpe
I personally wouldn't do it either, for the simple fact you can completely change the dynamic of your team. Yeah, you in sync now. Now, look, Joe, y' all not going nowhere.
- [32:47]
Joe Johnson
Who, the Hogs?
- [32:48]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [32:49]
Joe Johnson
Oh, they. You might be.
- [32:51]
Shannon Sharpe
Can y'? All. First of all, you see, you gotta think, in a series, can you beat the Knicks in 7?
- [33:00]
Joe Johnson
When April get here, we don't know who gonna be healthy. We don't know nothing. All we know is okay. All we know is right now. Okay, what we got, we got. We gotta get rolling. And when April get March, April get here, we hope these guys be, you know, trending in. In the right trajectory. And you never know, when the playoffs come, you know how this thing amp up. These injuries started to happen. All it takes is for one guy to go down. One guy go down. Boom. It could be a rap for a team.
- [33:26]
Shannon Sharpe
Atlanta. That means you'd have to beat. You'd have to beat possibly the Knicks, you'd have to beat possibly Cleveland. Boston is playing really well. I did not expect Boston to be playing as well, but JB is playing out of his damn mind.
- [33:38]
Joe Johnson
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [33:39]
Shannon Sharpe
You guys still got Philly, because Tyrese Maxey should be an all Star. He's playing Great. I think the thing is because they're managing Joel and B, but I'm not, I'm, I don't even want to bring that up.
- [33:51]
Joe Johnson
Hey, hey, listen, listen, listen. All them things you talk about, don't none of them dudes scare me. Don't none of them teams scare me off.
- [33:58]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm, I, I, I.
- [33:59]
Joe Johnson
Hey, listen, once Atlanta gets some chemistry and continuity, what they got with CJ coming back, I see the second game, he really, he kind of found his footing. But I think once they really get an understanding of who they are and who they're trying to be. Yeah, they got a couple months to figure that out. They gotta get rolling.
- [34:17]
Shannon Sharpe
So Pistons, Pistons look good, man. And the Pistons went to the playoffs last year and they got confidence, man, AK Cunningham, he gonna be an all star.
- [34:29]
Joe Johnson
Oh, no, no. He gonna be an all NBA. He gonna be an all Star. It ain't just him. I like Duran, Durant, probably gonna be an all star this year. They got a bunch of guys, they got some blue collar, hard working dudes. They gonna get after you from start to finish. They kind of pick up like okc, pick up full court, be pesty, you know. They kind of took a page out of their book. I love the Pistons. I love the work that those guys have done down there and what they're doing.
- [34:53]
Shannon Sharpe
They should have, what you call them, they should have beat the Knicks. They had the Knicks dead to right and gave it up down the stretch. Yep.
- [35:00]
Joe Johnson
They were young.
- [35:01]
Shannon Sharpe
They were young.
- [35:02]
Joe Johnson
It was a learning experience from them. But this year, oh yeah, them boy gonna make some noise. That's one team I don't want the Hawks to see. I ain't gonna lie to you. I don't want the house to see the piss.
- [35:12]
Shannon Sharpe
I tell you what, even would you be willing to trade Aiden for Joel Embiid?
- [35:17]
Joe Johnson
Aiden for. Hell yeah.
- [35:20]
Shannon Sharpe
What? I would too, but I, but I can't count on him. I, I ain't really counting on him.
- [35:25]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, you can't. You get him in the, you get him in that environment, in that atmosphere. Braun, putting Braun in his ear, you know, get his way down a little bit, that sunshine, get the beating on him. You know how it is out there in la. Yeah, that boy be playing different. Boy look like prime Shaq out there, man.
- [35:44]
Shannon Sharpe
You think that can happen? No, I, I don't think. No, no. The salaries, I mean, he's got, he's still on the book for another three, two to three years at, at 60 plus million. You got Luke on that number. AR they have AR is going on max contract. AR is going to want north of 200 million. I just don't see a scenario where it happened.
- [36:02]
Joe Johnson
That's why, that's, that's, that's what scares me with the Lakers and AR because you know, the market is going to demand that he's, that he gets paid, you know, max dollars.
- [36:11]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
- [36:11]
Joe Johnson
I don't know if the Lakers gonna be able to pay that.
- [36:14]
Shannon Sharpe
I don't think they are either. But he. And he's gonna want it. And he's gotten better and better every single year. And I want guys to get paid. Especially a guy like him that put so much work into it. And you can tell that he's put work into it.
- [36:27]
Joe Johnson
Oh yeah, hey, I'm with you. That's an Arkansas guy as well. I know he would probably love to stay in la, but his value is gonna, you know, be so high.
- [36:37]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, he'll be more valuable as a first option somewhere else. Now he probably won't get the glitz and glam that he gets in la.
- [36:45]
Joe Johnson
Right.
- [36:46]
Shannon Sharpe
But the one thing he's shown is that he can flat out play.
- [36:49]
Joe Johnson
Oh yeah. That's why I say, that's why I say Lakers got some good trade bait over there. Because you might have to trade him. If you ain't gonna be able to pay him, you ain't gonna let him walk for nothing. You got to get something from him.
- [36:59]
Shannon Sharpe
Absolutely. I, I agree. I agree.
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- [38:03]
Shannon Sharpe
Ocho doors Shoot around in Berlin I keep Ojo Joe during shoot around in Berlin this week there was some heat between John Morant and and Vince Williams. According to the legend, this was the Dialogue, John. I don't mess with y'. All. I was. Whatever. Vince, let's go to the back. Why? I'm right here. That's what Josh said. Vince, let's go to the back. John, you've been here for five minutes. You're not like that.
- [38:34]
Joe Johnson
Hey, get my dog out of there. Good job. Out of there, man.
- [38:38]
Shannon Sharpe
It's.
- [38:38]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, it's time. It's over boiling. Hey, hey. The beans are burning, baby. Get that man out of there. Hey, look, when you start getting into it with your teammates like that, it's time to go, man. Y' all got that. That man frustrated.
- [38:51]
Shannon Sharpe
He.
- [38:51]
Joe Johnson
He ready. He ready for a new scenery.
- [38:53]
Shannon Sharpe
And he said, I don't f With y' all like that. I don't know. I don't. I, I. Maybe you have, Joe, but I've never been on a team where a teammate said, I don't mess with y'. All. Now, I've heard teammates say, I don't f. With you.
- [39:05]
Joe Johnson
Right?
- [39:05]
Shannon Sharpe
He said, I don't mess with y'.
- [39:06]
Joe Johnson
All.
- [39:07]
Shannon Sharpe
Meaning more than one. You're not the only one. I definitely don't mess with you. But I don't mess with none of y', all, really. And I. I agree with you. Everything you just said is. When it gets like this, it's time to go. It's time to break it up before somebody really, really do put hands on somebody. One another.
- [39:25]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, I think, look, it's.
- [39:27]
Shannon Sharpe
It's over with. John's tenure in Memphis is over. And I'm sure Memphis. I mean, some Memphis. Memphis fans might hate that, Some Memphis fans might love that, but it's over. It's over. When he got benched this year, I. I knew something, Joe. Remember early in the year when they took him out and sign him down, he said, well, ask Coach. They probably think they can win without me. I like, oh, yeah, He. He. He ready to go.
- [39:56]
Joe Johnson
Oh, yeah, he ready to go.
- [39:58]
Shannon Sharpe
And I'm not so sure. They're not ready for him to get up out of there.
- [40:01]
Joe Johnson
Right? I think, hey, look, I don't need. Why did he even go on the trip if they weren't gonna let him play or if he wasn't gonna play? That's what I didn't understand.
- [40:09]
Shannon Sharpe
That's what I'm saying.
- [40:11]
Joe Johnson
I think. I think at some point, you know, due to this. Is this coming out, they may even just send him home until they get a trade for him. I mean. Cause if he. If you ain't gonna let him play, and you see all this going on with the players. I mean, obviously, you don't want that going around, man.
- [40:27]
Shannon Sharpe
Nah. And after they got in public, they knew camera was there.
- [40:31]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [40:32]
Shannon Sharpe
I mean, it's you. It's open court, shoot around, whatever the case may be. And it's like, hey, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's go out back. Nah, Josh, like, I'm right here. He said, you've been here five minutes, and you ain't really like that. You ain't trying to get no fade.
- [40:47]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. He said, hey, look, he's sick of the boy, man.
- [40:50]
Shannon Sharpe
I went to college. I went to barber school. I fade you up right quick, if that's what you're looking for. But I, I, I, I, I agree with you, Joe. I, I just think it's time for ja. For whatever reason. Whatever reason. Maybe when they suspended him the first time for the incident that happened in Denver.
- [41:09]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, but he.
- [41:10]
Shannon Sharpe
Lucky David Stern. You took a gun on a trip. Oh, man, you done, you, you might have been done for a year and a half.
- [41:19]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, Dave Stern played that, man.
- [41:21]
Shannon Sharpe
No, you can't. And it was. Well, maybe he got it in Colorado. The mere fact that he had it in the locker room. Let's just say he didn't transport it from Memphis to Denver. He. Somebody passed it along to him. He had some homeboys out there and they gave it to him, bro. And then you would have thought. And then he has another situation where I don't understand why your homeboys. Your homeboys know that you shouldn't be having. With no gun based on what has happened to you just a few months earlier. And then they videoing you.
- [41:56]
Joe Johnson
I don't understand it, man. You gotta. You gotta protect. You gotta protect the money, man. You gotta make sure he good. You can't have him out here doing all this wild stuff.
- [42:04]
Shannon Sharpe
No, you can't.
- [42:07]
Joe Johnson
You can't be.
- [42:07]
Shannon Sharpe
You can't.
- [42:08]
Joe Johnson
You. You shouldn't be around it. You shouldn't be condoning it.
- [42:10]
Shannon Sharpe
Nope.
- [42:11]
Joe Johnson
You gotta keep, bruh. You gotta keep bro clean. Especially after you didn't already got caught once or twice.
- [42:17]
Shannon Sharpe
That was the thing you would have thought, like, you know what, man? Hey, Things slipped out of my pocket. I'm a shotgun, Willie. That slipped out of my pocket. Okay. Hey, my bad. Hey. And you came to the. You came to the commissioner, said, hey, that will never happen again. And then you in the car with that five, and then you hold your homeboy recording it. You should say, pop, first of all, if my homeboy's with Me and any recording going on, they got to go.
- [42:44]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, hey, I'm like that, too.
- [42:46]
Shannon Sharpe
But you.
- [42:46]
Joe Johnson
You know, a lot of these dudes, man, especially these young cats, they.
- [42:50]
Shannon Sharpe
They.
- [42:50]
Joe Johnson
If you know who they influences are to, you know, they listen to this rap music, and that's. That's pretty much what it is, you know, so mimicking rappers, but it hurt NBA players.
- [43:02]
Shannon Sharpe
It hurts your brand. So I'm just. Look, I. Look, I. I think y' all are phenomenal, having watched him play several times when Memphis came to play the Lakers. He's sensational.
- [43:14]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [43:14]
Shannon Sharpe
But I do believe. But at the end of the day, you could say, well, he got the wrong people around him. Y' all grown man, though.
- [43:22]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [43:23]
Shannon Sharpe
You know, I had a conversation with Mike Vick, and I say. I say. I say, mike, I see your boys. He's like. He, like, sharp, you know. He's like, oh, you think I'm listening to them? I'm making the money, right? Why I'm listening to them. If I'm gonna listen to them, they should be where I'm at, right? He said I wasn't gonna listen to them even. Even if they had told me I wasn't. And maybe because at the end of the day. Yes. Sometimes you have homeboys that's like, hey, Joe, come on now. We're not gonna do that, Joe. Nah, come on, now. Hey, hey, you know what? Hey, you know I'm dirty. I don't even want to put you in that situation, because the mere fact you got out, we get to watch you. I get to tell. Even when I go to the pit, I get to tell that my homeboy right there. Man, you lie. You don't know that, man. I'm a homeboy. We went to school together.
- [44:16]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [44:18]
Shannon Sharpe
And some. Some homeboys are like that, bro. I'm dirty. Get on from around here. You finna get out. You finna do. You going places? I ain't going nowhere.
- [44:25]
Joe Johnson
Right, right.
- [44:26]
Shannon Sharpe
That's rather gonna stand right here on this corner and. And wait for somebody to come and try to get by this dime of this nick up off me. That's what I'm finna do.
- [44:33]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, that's Rhetto. That's right. That's why the guys who you keep around you, man. You gotta make sure everybody super clean, super squeaky clean and tight. You don't want to have none of that BS going on, because I just think we're living in the times now where it's so easy to get caught doing anything, you know what I mean? And.
- [44:55]
Shannon Sharpe
Everybody, Everybody got their phones out, Joe, it's hard to get away with anything. You gotta automatically assume people got their phones out. Yeah, automatically.
- [45:03]
Joe Johnson
Any little thing.
- [45:05]
Shannon Sharpe
Any. I got heated this month, Joe. I went with the Chick Fil A. Go to Chick Fil A, get my normal order. But my sister's in town, so normally, my normal order, two sausage biscuits, large hash brown, grape jelly. This time my sister's in town, I get an extra biscuit. Sausage biscuits, small hash brown for her. She don't like. Cause I bought a large last time, she threw half of them away. You ain't finna waste my money. It ain't that much, but you're not finna waste any of it, right? So I don't mistake. My bad. I didn't check the bag. I get home, I got three sausage, egg and cheese biscuits with two small hash browns. Oh, no, garage up, gate open.
- [45:50]
Joe Johnson
Went right back up there.
- [45:52]
Shannon Sharpe
Right on, back up there. I said, ma', am, I said, I ordered three sausage biscuits, large hash brown, small hash brown. Okay. She said, sorry, sorry, sorry for any confusion. Hey, can you. What's the term they use on the fly? Can you make those two sausages. Two sausage biscuits and hash browns on the fly, which means in a hurry. Yeah, she had them, too. I'm sorry about the confusion. I'm about to go out the door. Some say. Shannon, check the bag. I got two sausage biscuits in there. You know what I'm saying? That's old devil see the devil. Couple of months ago, devil would have got me. Devil would have got me.
- [46:37]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [46:37]
Shannon Sharpe
Devil came out to Vegas looking for a soul to steal. You ain't going to get me. You ain't going to get me. Oh, no. Get back.
- [46:46]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [46:49]
Shannon Sharpe
Because, see, I told you. I've been praying. I pray every night. I say, God, give me patience. See, God is not going to directly give you patience. He will put you in situations that will require patience.
- [47:00]
Joe Johnson
Hello. Hello. Yeah.
- [47:02]
Shannon Sharpe
Lord have mercy.
- [47:05]
Joe Johnson
You take a deep breath.
- [47:06]
Shannon Sharpe
I did. I did. Oh. I said, yeah. I can't turn back around. She said, what's wrong, sir? I said, ma', am, you gave me two sausage bits because I asked for three. She said, I'm sorry about that. I said, you know what?
- [47:33]
Joe Johnson
And he was working.
- [47:33]
Shannon Sharpe
He was working today. He was working all the time. He working. He worked all the time. But, you know, I. Hey, patience. You see? You see the joke. I see changing my ways.
- [47:44]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [47:45]
Shannon Sharpe
Wisdom.
- [47:45]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [47:47]
Shannon Sharpe
But, man, and jah, you grown, bro. I don't know why. I mean, if you think about it. Why is it that most people that are in a profession or always try to be like athletes want to be rappers, rappers want to be athletes. People in jail would give anything. I ain't never. I want. All I wanted to be was what I was. I ain't never. I, I never look, hey, y' all do that. That's y' all thing. Y' all want to slang and you feel that's your way. I. I ain't here. I ain't here to judge. I ain't judging nobody, right? But I be damn if I will make a hundred million, two hundred, three hundred million, and want to be hard. I ain't going to be sagging. I ain't going to have no stick on me. I ain't going to do nothing. If anything, I got 300 million. I'm hiring somebody to carry that stick for me. Yeah, that's his job. He got a license to carry. You handle all that.
- [48:40]
Joe Johnson
See, you, you, you thinking. You thinking with a 57 mind. He ain't. He. He ain't made it there yet, huh. See, all the time and. All the time and growth, you know, you. You done been through it, grew you into this. He's learning from his mistakes.
- [48:56]
Shannon Sharpe
And plus, you know, if you carry that thing on you, somebody put you in a situation, you're gonna have to. Hey, you reach for it and you.
- [49:05]
Joe Johnson
I'm gonna keep it real. Them boys really don't want to have to use that thing. No, they don't really want to have. You don't want to really have to use it because.
- [49:12]
Shannon Sharpe
Nope.
- [49:13]
Joe Johnson
Look, you're gonna have to spend so much money getting up out of something like that, man, you don't want to have to use that thing.
- [49:17]
Shannon Sharpe
Nope. And so that way. Don't even put yourself in a situation.
- [49:21]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [49:22]
Shannon Sharpe
Don't put yourself in a situation like that. John, I. Bro, bro, you got too much talent. You too good. And, baby, hey, and I get it. Look, Memphis is not the. The easiest place. But, bro, I me, why? Why I want to be down there where I would need that stick. If I got to go somewhere, Joe, and I gotta carry the stick.
- [49:43]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [49:44]
Shannon Sharpe
Why I need to be there?
- [49:48]
Joe Johnson
Oh, I'm going.
- [49:49]
Shannon Sharpe
If I got a firearm on me, Joe, I'm going hunting. I'm looking to take something down.
- [49:56]
Joe Johnson
Oh, yeah. These young boys carrying that stick like it's a cell phone. You hear me?
- [50:00]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, I believe it.
- [50:01]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. These young boys ain't playing, man. They.
- [50:03]
Shannon Sharpe
They.
- [50:04]
Joe Johnson
They really not playing Seriously. And like you say, you got athletes, wannabe Rappers and entertainers. And vice versa. Vice versa. You know, entertainers and rappers want to be athletes. And it's unfortunate because you got some of these cats, these rappers who are so big, who are like mega stars, and a lot of cats implement. Try to be. Yeah, yeah. They're very influenced by these guys. So it's unfortunate, man. But I think he'll learn from this situation. Obviously, if they can move him, I think he'll be a lot better, man. I think he need a fresh start. He need a fresh start.
- [50:39]
Shannon Sharpe
I do. I do. I do also.
- [50:43]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, you need a fresh start, but.
- [50:46]
Shannon Sharpe
There'S not a city that you can go to that if you looking for trouble, you can't find it.
- [50:51]
Joe Johnson
I know.
- [50:53]
Shannon Sharpe
Memphis. Oh, if you want trouble in Atlanta, you can find it. If you want trouble in Miami, nyc, there's not a city that you can't go to if you looking for trouble. Oh, you can find it.
- [51:04]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
- [51:07]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm who I am. I'm. I'm Shannon Sharp. I'm a professional athlete, man. You. Why you don't come? For what, Bro? I. Bro, I'm not like that. I'm not. I'm not trying to impress nobody by saying, man, you know, Sharp down here in the hood. No, bro, I'm not gonna hold y'. All. Nope, I'm not. I might go get a haircut. Go get me some oxtails or something. Because a lot of times the restaurants and barbershops, that's where they located. But that's what I'm there for. Point A, Point B. Hey, shop. Hey, man, let me grab a picture. Hey, you better hurry up. Give me with my head out the window that I'm getting up out of there, man. I don't want no trouble. I don't want no problems. I ain't arguing. They start talking about football games, what you think? I don't think nothing, bro. Matter of fact, I don't even watch football no more.
- [52:05]
Joe Johnson
Hey, we in different time. Different time.
- [52:10]
Shannon Sharpe
You're right. The Miami. The Miami Heat have been the team most frequently mentioned as trade partners for Ja Joe Oo. Oh, I told you. I told you. But do you like JA in Miami?
- [52:24]
Joe Johnson
I do like JA Miami for a number of reasons. Obviously, you know, the strict system that Pat runs. I think obviously JA thrive in it if he buy in, you know, because accountability is everything in Miami. You know, whether you in there in the weight room before practice, after practice, before games, after games, them dudes in the weight room all day, and to just to be able to see him get his body right, get his mind right. I think Miami will have a lot to offer, man. I think Miami have a lot to offer. And like I've said, I think that he will learn definitely from those mistakes that he made in Memphis. I don't think he would make mistakes like that in Miami. Because in Miami, they gonna know everywhere you at, you can try to be on the low if you want to. At 2, 3 in the morning, them folk gonna know. Yeah, it's.
- [53:20]
Shannon Sharpe
But what. John's played 18 games this year, averaging 19.7.6 assists. Meanwhile, the Grizzlies are 7 and 23. I mean, he's. He's only. He's only 24. He about to be 24. He young, super young. And sometimes some people are mature. You look at a LeBron James, 18 years old, already got grown man. Maturity. And you see some guys that it takes them a while. They gotta get 26, 27 before they mature. Jobs 26 or jobs 26. Okay, my bad. But some guys are mature beyond their years, and then some guys aren't.
- [54:06]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [54:06]
Shannon Sharpe
And it takes them a while to. To reach that maturity level.
- [54:09]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. And you put them around. Yeah. And you put them around. Guy you want to put them around. Guys who already naturally have that hard work ethic and you. And hopefully that it rubs off on him. I don't really know who he had to look up to or look to, you know, through adversity, to adverse times in Memphis. But if you go to Miami, man, you're going to have plenty of guys who work hard as crap. Obviously a dope coaching staff who you can go to. I just feel like they'll definitely open up, open up the doors for Ja to bring out his greatness, man. But Memphis got to get him out of there. From that conversation, I see he. It's time. It's time.
- [54:46]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. When I saw that, when I. I was like, yeah, it seemed like they were taking the time, hopefully that he would come around, Joe. But after watching this video and to see teammates like that, that's like this here.
- [54:58]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [54:59]
Shannon Sharpe
Now, maybe on the bus or something in the locker room, ain't no cameras around, but hey, at this point, they was like, effort. What you. What you trying to do, right?
- [55:07]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. I couldn't. I. I couldn't believe. I couldn't believe it, you know, that they was actually having that conversation right there. So it was surprising to me. I ain't gonna lie. Ain't.
- [55:17]
Shannon Sharpe
But.
- [55:17]
Joe Johnson
But that's when I was like, oh, man. Yeah. This thing is probably Gonna get worse before.
- [55:22]
Shannon Sharpe
Absolutely. And I don't know what was said now for them to like to get to that point. Now, if you messing with somebody girl or something like that, you owe somebody some money. Okay, I've seen it get. I've seen it get like that, but ain't a whole lot of talking. Yeah, see, they doing too much talking. So that way I know ain't nobody really wanted to do nothing.
- [55:39]
Joe Johnson
Right.
- [55:39]
Shannon Sharpe
Nobody had no barber's license. What? Nobody tried to fade. Nobody. They. They.
- [55:43]
Joe Johnson
They was trying to see what this misunderstanding was about. It looked like they had a real misunderstanding. They was trying to figure it out.
- [55:50]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. So in a situation like that, all that talking, that let me know that y' all ain't. Y' all ain't really, really, really, really about that. And I get it. I understand that everybody, you know, two dogs just, you know, they had a day on the fence and everybody wolfing really, really hard.
- [56:05]
Joe Johnson
Right, right, right, right.
- [56:05]
Shannon Sharpe
But ain't really nobody. Ain't really nobody trying to do anything like that. Because all that talking, if you. If. All I know is that the fights that I've seen or the. Ain't a whole lot of talking, they're straight to it. Because at that point, you know, a different mentality in football. Joe, you ain't gonna scare nobody.
- [56:27]
Joe Johnson
Right?
- [56:29]
Shannon Sharpe
Boy, I'm about to be like, ocho, Hey, a ninja. Take one. But you not about to punk it.
- [56:39]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. Already. Already.
- [56:40]
Shannon Sharpe
No, sir.
- [56:41]
Joe Johnson
Already.
- [56:42]
Shannon Sharpe
No, sir.
- [56:43]
Joe Johnson
Re.
- [56:44]
Shannon Sharpe
I don't been in too many locker rooms from high school to college to professional. Two different set. No, sir.
- [56:49]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, yeah.
- [56:51]
Shannon Sharpe
And a lot of times, sometimes you make a mistake if you want to. I don't saw some receivers lump up some. Some D linemen.
- [56:59]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [57:00]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay.
- [57:01]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [57:02]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay. Yeah.
- [57:04]
Joe Johnson
It depends on what they're getting into it for the.
- [57:06]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah, for sure.
- [57:07]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. Yeah.
- [57:08]
Shannon Sharpe
And so. Yeah. But if I'm. If. If I'm the Grizzlies front office. And I saw that, that's all I needed. I. I was thinking, Joe, we needed to move on.
- [57:21]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [57:22]
Shannon Sharpe
But now he's made it abundantly clear. It's crystal clear.
- [57:26]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [57:27]
Shannon Sharpe
He gotta go.
- [57:28]
Joe Johnson
I agree. I agree. I'm saying they. They.
- [57:32]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, look, sooner the better. Now it's not gonna get any better. And before. And before it get physical, let's just go ahead. Yeah. You're not gonna get equal value for it. The guy's a two time all star.
- [57:46]
Joe Johnson
I.
- [57:48]
Shannon Sharpe
What you gonna get? They're not giving up Norman pot or you gonna get Tyler hero.
- [57:51]
Joe Johnson
I know. Oh, Who Talking about Miami.
- [57:53]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [57:54]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. You're gonna have to give up, hero. Miami got some pieces. I don't. I wouldn't want to give up.
- [58:02]
Shannon Sharpe
Well, first of all, they're not giving up. Bam. They're not giving up.
- [58:05]
Joe Johnson
Pow.
- [58:06]
Shannon Sharpe
And they're not giving up where.
- [58:08]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, that's what I'm gonna say. I wouldn't give up, killer. Wherever. They gonna have to figure that out. I don't know how they gonna figure it out, but they got to figure it out. They got to figure it out. But I know Memphis got to get Jonathan over there. They got to get him from over there. And I was wondering, because I was like, damn. I wonder why he ain't playing. Is he hurt?
- [58:27]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [58:30]
Joe Johnson
Because he. He came back, and he's played in a few games, and he had some good games, but.
- [58:39]
Shannon Sharpe
They keep it a track on how many times I call you Ocho. They say I'm up to eight, but I think I'm at four.
- [58:46]
Joe Johnson
Hey, look, he came back and had some good games.
- [58:48]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [58:49]
Joe Johnson
But they hadn't translated into wins.
- [58:52]
Shannon Sharpe
No.
- [58:53]
Joe Johnson
You know what I mean? So I think they definitely gonna move on from him. I wonder. I wonder, has this situation diminished his.
- [59:01]
Shannon Sharpe
Trade value when I know you got it? If I. If you want to sell something, the. The best way to keep the value up is to let somebody inquire about it. If you. If I. If you come to me and say, hey, hey, shop. I got this. This pool table I want to sell. Oh, you either fit in the move, or you about to get a new pool table.
- [59:22]
Joe Johnson
Right.
- [59:22]
Shannon Sharpe
What you're looking to ask for it? Because that's going to determine. Because I'm coming in low. I just want you to know, Joe, I'm coming in low. You either get a new pool table you thought about to move, and you don't want to carry it with you.
- [59:34]
Joe Johnson
Right? Right.
- [59:34]
Shannon Sharpe
So if you want me to come, I'm charging you a mover's fee. Even though I'm gonna buy, I'm charging you to come move it up your property.
- [59:41]
Joe Johnson
Right.
- [59:42]
Shannon Sharpe
They know they want to get rid of job.
- [59:44]
Joe Johnson
Absolutely.
- [59:47]
Shannon Sharpe
So it's like, I ain't gonna trade somebody. You got to trade them before you really want to. Right. The value is high.
- [59:55]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. That's why I know. That's why I know they gonna. They gonna. They gonna do something way before the break. They probably just trying to figure it out right now. But what I'm saying is, because of this. This latest situation, do you just send him home and just tell him that we, you know, we gonna wait till we. We have a trade for you. Because from the looks of it, Unc, it don't look like it's gonna be beneficial to have him around those guys.
- [60:18]
Shannon Sharpe
I mean, why. If. For the most part, a lot of times, NFL, if. If. If you're not healthy enough to play, they don't let you travel. Now, if John's not gonna play now, if he's close to play, close to returning, so forth and so on, I get it. But if he's not close to returning, it makes no sense. And, you know, and plus, you guys know what's going on in that locker room. You know, the animosity, you know, the angst, you know, between those players. So why put them in that situation?
- [60:50]
Joe Johnson
That's what I'm wondering. Knowing that him and the head coach ain't really seeing eye to eye.
- [60:56]
Shannon Sharpe
You.
- [60:56]
Joe Johnson
Ain'T gonna get the best out of them right now. So, man, listen, find him a nice landing spot. Hopefully you can get some. Some great pieces back, but it ain't gonna be beneficial to keep them around, especially those. If they gonna be acting like that. Yeah.
- [61:11]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. It's going to be a situation where you end up. Somebody gonna end up. Something that could have been prevented.
- [61:19]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [61:20]
Shannon Sharpe
Is that. It's gonna end up sparking up, and you could have prevented this. Go ahead and move it. Look, you moved on. This ain't the same team. You let Desmond Bane go, you let Dylan Brooks go.
- [61:33]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [61:34]
Shannon Sharpe
You might as well. You might as well just go ahead and let. Let the lynchpin go. Let y' all go. Y' all not winning. Y' all not going nowhere.
- [61:41]
Joe Johnson
Right. It's hard opportunity.
- [61:43]
Shannon Sharpe
Y' all squandered it. Y' all did all that talk. They hadn't been the same since John talking about, he ain't worried about nobody in the West.
- [61:51]
Joe Johnson
There you go. Yeah. Hey, hey. That's why you gotta keep your mouth shut. Just hoop. Just hoop. You don't want no bulletin board material.
- [62:00]
Shannon Sharpe
Or Boston, I think he said. I don't know if it was OKC or Boston or somebody. He said.
- [62:05]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, he said he wasn't worried about nobody in the West.
- [62:08]
Shannon Sharpe
Nobody in the West. Yeah, that's what he did. You're right.
- [62:10]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. He said he wasn't worried about nobody in the West. And, boy, the west, they. They've been on them boys ever since LeBron.
- [62:16]
Shannon Sharpe
LeBron, them beat him.
- [62:19]
Joe Johnson
Remember?
- [62:19]
Shannon Sharpe
LeBron Ruy went down there and had that outstanding game, and then AR went crazy. And then when he came back to la, Goat took him out. They got R to. Unless he give me 40, I don't, I ain't doing. I ain't shutting up.
- [62:34]
Joe Johnson
There you go. See, they got rid of, they, they got rid of their muscle. Man.
- [62:36]
Shannon Sharpe
You.
- [62:37]
Joe Johnson
And you took it for granted, you know, Bangs Dylan Brooks, guys who can help out with their scoring, toting their scoring load.
- [62:44]
Shannon Sharpe
Well now Dylan Brooks was never going to be this in Memphis because they was never going to allow him to do what he's doing in Phoenix.
- [62:52]
Joe Johnson
Right, right, right.
- [62:53]
Shannon Sharpe
He was always going to be the fourth option. It was going to be jaw, it was going to be Bane or Triple J. It's in some combination. 2, 3 or 3, 2. And then it was going to be Dylan Brooks. He was always going to be the fourth option. So this Dylan Brooks that we see now, man, if they. He'd have been. He was not going to be allowed to see. He don't have a choice now.
- [63:11]
Joe Johnson
Right.
- [63:12]
Shannon Sharpe
They ain't got, they ain't got nobody. They don't have anybody. But, but, but book.
- [63:16]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. And then Green been hurt all year.
- [63:18]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
- [63:18]
Joe Johnson
So he was kind of.
- [63:19]
Shannon Sharpe
Now I think, I think they got a guy named Gillespie.
- [63:22]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, Gillespie, he stepped up and he.
- [63:25]
Shannon Sharpe
He'S, he's, he's played Grayson, Alex, give him some minutes. But basically, for the most part of the season, Dillon Brooks has been their number two option.
- [63:32]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [63:33]
Shannon Sharpe
And he, he's, he's always felt he's ain't gonna be good to be able to. You know, everybody's tits up or wince when I shoot the ball. Everybody's saying no. Now he has freedom and he's playing unbelievable basketball, averaging like 20, 21 points a game. He's playing really well. But he wasn't going to be that in Memphis because they weren't going to allow it.
- [63:54]
Joe Johnson
Nah, he's probably. He still would have been the agitator that he is.
- [63:57]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes, he gonna be, he gonna be that. He's still that now.
- [63:59]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. He wouldn't have been able to, to. To advance his offensive skills the way he's done over the past year. So, you know, they, it's every, every since they got rid of those two dudes, Dylan Brooks and Banes, they hadn't been the same.
- [64:14]
Shannon Sharpe
Huh. Because that's their defense. Because not only could Bane score, but he could defend. He was normally the guy. He and Dylan Brooks would rotate taking on LeBron, but.