Nightcap Hour 1: Justin Fields is NOT THE ANSWER + Patriots DYNASTY is BACK with Vabrel + Lamar Jackson RANKED as OVERRATED

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Nightcap Hour 1

Episode Title: Justin Fields is NOT THE ANSWER + Patriots DYNASTY is BACK with Vrabel + Lamar Jackson RANKED as OVERRATED
Date: November 14, 2025
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe & Chad Ochocinco Johnson

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Nightcap" on the Club Shay Shay feed, hosted by NFL legend Shannon Sharpe and former Pro Bowler Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, dives into three major topics rocking the NFL:

1. The resurgent New England Patriots under Mike Vrabel and their “dynasty” potential.
2. Justin Fields’ struggles and whether he can ever be the answer at QB.
3. The controversial ranking of Lamar Jackson as the NFL’s most overrated quarterback and what that means in the context of quarterback legacy and MVP culture.

Delivering a blend of stats, player mentality analysis, and first-hand experience, Shannon and Chad debate, joke, and offer candid insight into the state of the league.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Patriots’ Revival and Mike Vrabel’s Impact

Timestamp: 05:48–09:59

• Dominant Win Over the Jets: Patriots defeat the Jets 27-14. Drake Maye put up “Brady-esque” numbers: 25/34 for 281 yards and 1 touchdown. The team looked sharp on both sides of the ball.
• Mike Vrabel’s Coaching: Hosts heap praise on Vrabel for transforming the squad’s culture and performance in just his second year.
  • "Mike Vrabel has done an unbelievable job… you know exactly where you stand with Mike Vrabel." (Shannon, 09:02)
• Key Players Stepping Up:
  • Stefon Diggs looks elite again.
  • TreVeyon Henderson has “speed to burn” and notched 2 rushing, 1 receiving TDs.
  • Christian Gonzalez (CB) is called “fluid” and named among top young corners.
• Contrast with Other Orgs: The Patriots are lauded for stability and for not beating themselves. Vrabel’s player-friendly but no-nonsense style is highlighted, contrasting with the Jets and other unstable franchises.
• Notable Quote:
  • "He's the type of guy that you love to play for, because he ain't gonna sugarcoat it. You know exactly where you stand with Mike Vrabel." (Shannon, 09:02)

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2. Justin Fields’ Struggles: “Not the Answer”

Timestamp: 10:02–17:07 | 22:03–35:12

• Statistical Woes: Shannon runs down a list of Fields’ anemic passing performances – 27, 45, 46, 54, and 116 yards across several games, with much of the latter coming in garbage time.
  • "I just don't know how you throw for 27 yards in a game… then 45, then 46, then 54, then 116 and most came on the final drive." (Shannon, 22:04)
• Analysis of Play: Both hosts cite a lack of processing speed (information and reads), mechanical issues, and a tendency to “dial-up”—playing off rhythm instead of anticipating throws.
  • "He ain't got that 5G. They said they got something… he got a dial up service." (Shannon, 23:13)
• Supporting Cast Issues: Chad points out dropped passes and lack of elite receiving talent hurt Fields, but Shannon stresses Fields “misses too many layups.”
• Confidence & Leadership: Discussion moves into Fields’ apparent lack of confidence and the effect it has on the team’s aura and body language.
  • "You gotta be able to play with confidence in everything you do. And one of the most important positions, the most important, goddamn quarterback." (Chad, 33:43)
• Organizational Instability: Numerous coaching changes and lack of weapons cited; even a good coach & system may not be enough at this point.
• Future Outlook: Consensus is that the franchise will be drafting a new QB, as Fields likely won’t develop into what was expected.
  • "I hope I'm wrong… but I just don't know if he's ever going to be more than what he is." (Shannon, 32:00)
• Notable Quote:
  • "Everybody ain't gonna be a Lamar Jackson. Everybody's not gonna be Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes. But… at least, can you be somewhere in the middle?" (Shannon, 33:16)

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3. Patriots Dynasty Talk, Jets’ Missed Opportunities

Timestamp: 43:14–49:29

• Vrabel’s Near-Jets Hire: Shannon shares that Vrabel was nearly hired by the Jets, which both agree would have been a mistake for both parties.
• Patriots’ Structure: Ownership (Robert Kraft) praised for acting quickly and decisively to bring in Vrabel, allowing him control. New England looks set for “the next 10, 12, 15 years.”
  • "The Patriots gonna be good for a long time…what we thought was a foregone conclusion…is not going to be the case." (Shannon, 49:10)
• AFC East Outlook: The hosts agree Buffalo and New England will “run the division” for the next decade; Jets and Dolphins are “guppies” – teams set to clean house.

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4. The “Overrated” Debate: Lamar Jackson and MVP Quarterback Legacy

Timestamp: 49:56–72:39

• Bleacher Report’s Hot Take: Lamar Jackson is named the NFL’s most overrated QB, being (as of yet) the only multiple MVP winner to never reach a Super Bowl.
• Stats & Context: Shannon meticulously lists other multi-MVP QBs who all appeared in (and mostly won) Super Bowls—placing Lamar’s résumé under a harsh lens.
• Fairness & Ring Culture: Chad bristles at the idea of “overrated”—citing Dan Marino as an all-time great without a ring, and emphasizing Lamar is still in his prime.
  • "Overrated, my goddamn ass. That's a bunch of—" (Chad, 54:48)
• Unwritten Rules: The hosts dissect how quarterbacks are uniquely judged by playoff wins and rings—unlike other positions.
  • "Only quarterbacks get measured by wins and Super Bowls. No other position." (Shannon, 56:32)
• Legacy Definition: Discussion on how “great” vs “greatest” is determined, depending on MVPs and rings, and how football has a unique “Game 7” pressure every playoff round.
• Future Prediction: Both agree Lamar is likely to reach a Super Bowl, expecting his status/legacy to shift dramatically once he gets one.
  • "I believe Lamar Jackson is going to get to a Super Bowl. And once he gets there and he wins it, it's over." (Shannon, 69:24)
• Notable Quote:
  • "Nothing about young bull out of goddamn Pompano, played for Boynton Beach High School, is overrated. Whether he has the goddamn ring or not, he will still go down as one of the best, the best quarterbacks to ever play this goddamn game." (Chad, 55:22)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Patriots/Vrabel:
  • "He's the type of guy that you love to play for, because he ain't gonna sugarcoat it." (Shannon, 09:02)
• Justin Fields:
  • "He ain't got that 5G... he got a dial up service." (Shannon, 23:13)
  • "You gotta be able to play with confidence in everything you do... especially at quarterback." (Chad, 33:43)
• Lamar MVP Debate:
  • "Only quarterbacks get measured by wins and Super Bowls. No other position." (Shannon, 56:32)
  • "Nothing about... [Lamar] is overrated... he will still go down as one of the best quarterbacks to ever play this goddamn game." (Chad, 55:22)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [05:48] Patriots dominate, early praise for Vrabel and emerging stars
• [10:02] Justin Fields’ struggles: stats, breakdown, confidence
• [22:03] Fields' missed throws, dropped passes, team outlook
• [33:16] Discussion: Can Fields even be middle-of-the-pack?
• [43:14] How Vrabel landed in New England, Patriots dynasty talk
• [49:56] Lamar Jackson’s “overrated” tag, context of MVPs and Super Bowl appearances
• [54:48] Chad’s passionate rebuttal: Context vs. clickbait on Lamar
• [56:32] Ring culture, legacy, and QB measurement
• [69:24] Lamar’s future, parallels to LeBron and playoff “monkeys”

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Episode Tone & Style

Laid back, candid, and direct. Shannon and Chad riff with deep football IQ, mixing jokes (“Young Bull, real nice boy”) with hard truths and stories from their playing days. They balance stats with feel, never pulling punches but always rooting the conversation in respect for the game and its players.

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For Listeners

This episode is a must-listen for NFL fans, especially those interested in quarterback debates, team-building philosophy, and what fuels or derails dynasties. It also offers perspective on how much context matters when discussing “legacies” in the social media hot-take era.

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Note:
This summary omits non-content segments, advertisements, intros/outros, and focuses solely on substantive discussion relevant to the episode’s sports themes.

Transcript

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Ashley Rayfeld]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, he was nice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Stefan Diggs reinvigorated. He looks good. Trevion Henderson is running extremely hard. Two, three. Two touchdowns on the ground, one in the air. Drake made 25 of 34, 2811 touchdowns. I thought, overall, I thought they played well. But let, let's. Before we get to the Jazz, let's highlight the Patriots. Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Okay. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mike Brable has done an unbelievable job. You go. I'll let you go ahead.

[Chad Johnson]

Hell of a job. Hell of a job. Listen, Mike Vrabel, I'm not sure what he did once he got there, but he's done one hell of a job. Obviously it makes things much easier when you have a quarterback that's playing out his mind. And only a second year in. Drake may unk in the division. They 3, 0. Obviously the talk has always been the super. They're supposed to go to the Super Bowl. This is their year. The Buffalo bills, they're 2 and 2 in the division. The goddamn. The Patriots have dominated all season long being 9 and 2. This is something I wasn't expecting being being the fan of the game of football that I am, I didn't think they would be this good. They have been really, really well. And because of the quarterback play, obviously the supporting cast, the defense has played well. Stephen, Stefan Diggs is playing out his mind. He's playing out his mind, even playing very, very good football. Matt Collins out there making plays. Douglas doing well. Doing well as well. And Trayvon is. Is it Trayvon Henderson? Am I saying it right? Trayvon Henderson, Tray beyond, man. Listen, but young Bull, nice boy. Young. Young Bull is really. I think so Young Bull, real nice. Hey, he's one of the few running backs too on. On the field that can hit his head off the goal post.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, he got speed to play with.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah, he got speed. Got Speed to burn. So, man, they look really good. They look really good tonight, man. And on defense. Hey, that guy. Hey, that goddamn Christian Gonzalez. Hey, he nice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, he. He. Oh, he fluid.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, listen, he nice. He needs. I know he's been injured a little bit, but he needs to be in the conversation of top five DBs, especially.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, yeah, he is. I mean, you know, PS, PS2, Stingley Jr. Him. Yeah, you know, those, those are, those are your top. I guess people like Jason Horn, some people like J.C. horn, but I think. I think Gonzalez, I think PS2, and I think Stingley Jr. I think those are the top three corners in my book, because they all present. Yes, sir. Very, very, very different. Now, Gonzalez and PS2, Khaled, they got kind of same similar body types. They're tall, angular. Stingley's a little bit more compact, probably. A little bit. A little more. A little. Because. A little. Probably a little stronger because of the way he, the way he's built. But if you look at the way PS2 and the way he glides, he and Gonzalez have very, very similar game.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Trivia Hennessy. He had two rush and one in there. One. Yeah, they threw him one. But, yeah, this is, this is Ocho. This is a very good team. They're very well coached. And now you see why that after one year, Mr. Krabs, like, you know what, Gerard? I really hate to pull the plug this quick, but this coach proven, and it's too good to pass up. And if we don't do this now, there's a good.

[Chad Johnson]

He'd be going somewhere else. Yeah, he'd be going somewhere else.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because if you think about it, the Falcons interviewed Mike Vrabel, Mike McDonald at Seattle. They interviewed, like, four guys that are doing extremely well right now, and they settled on Raheem Horse, and Raheem's gonna have to get this thing. He gonna have to get this thing turned around. But just watching New England, they don't beat themselves. I, I, I know, you know, VRA doesn't really mention a whole lot, but I think he took a whole lot playing under Coach Belichick. You, the mannerism now, he's not as. He's not as stoic on the sideline. He's waiting to give his guys high fives. Coming off the field, he's waiting to hug his guys. You watch him in the hallway. Ocho, when they're coming off the field after Big Rick, he's hugging everybody. Hey, come on. Get in here. Come on, let's go. Let's He's a guy I would love to play for. He's the type of guy that you love. You love to play for, because he ain't gonna sugarcoat it. Now, Ocho, you know exactly where you stand with Mike Vrabel.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, take Tay.

[Chad Johnson]

Take your time. Take your time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I tweeted a little bit, but I just. I just stopped tweeting because people, you know, I think people are like, man, you pick it on the guy. But at some point in time, Ocho, I'm not so sure Justin Fields is going to ever be what a lot of people thought he would become. Ocho, let me give you some of these stats. He was 3, 4, 11. He got injured in the fourth quarter for 27 yards.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He played the entire game in the first half goals. He was 9 of 17 for 45 yards. He played the entire game against the Carolina panthers. He was 6 of 12 for 46 yards and lost to Cleveland. He was 6 of 11 for 54 yards. And 42 of your. Those yards came on a screenplay screen pad tonight.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Before the final drive, he had 75 yards passing.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think A.D. mitchell left his hands in Indy.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, oh, listen, listen, now, now, he. He ended the game with 75 yards, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, he had 116. But on before the. Before that final drive, he got 41 of the 116.

[Chad Johnson]

Right. So. So one of the things I do want to say before, before we pile on Justin Field, I want. I want to talk about some of the drop passes. AD Mitchell. Two big plays, big play. Two big plays in the first half. Before half. You got the Hattles. You got. Yeah, it's. Oh, man. Hey, you. You got to have that. Hey, it's perfect, though. I. Outside shoulder, away from the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't ask for anything more than that, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

You got to have that. That's. That's perfect. Red line. You pull that in. Then the. The wheel route, the out and up. You know, adjust yourself, slow down a little bit. You know. Perfect, perfect ball. Outside shoulder. DB has no way to make a play, has no way to make a plan. You got to have that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So those, those are.

[Chad Johnson]

Those are passes that you. You got to help your quarterback out sometime. You got to help your quarterback and that's why the stats look like. Look the way they look sometimes. They drop past.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he had no. He had a couple of drops, but there was a couple. Ocho, he had 80. Yeah. AD probably would have dropped it, but he had him on. He had him on the hedge. That's a simple pitching catch.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, he, he threw a wide.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You put that on him. Because here's the thing, the DB is probably retreating. You put that on him. Now I get to face you up. There's a chance I can make you miss. At least, at least I caught it at 5. At least. @ bare minimum. O, I'm going get a first down. I might make you miss and get even more. I'm like Justin to start the game. You can't, because what do we always say? OO Give me something. I just want to get my hand. I just want to touch the ball. Just let me touch it. You ain't got to give me nothing sophisticated. Just let me catch a hit, let me catch a stick, let me catch a shallow cross. I just want to touch the ball. You give it to me early. You got me late. Yeah, Justin, how, how on a, on a, on a five yard hitch route, you miss a guy that far outside.

[Chad Johnson]

And listen, and that, that goes for the quarterback too most of the time. Some quarterbacks, they don't want to come out with anything. They want something short. They want a nice little check down to get themselves in a rhythm, you know, to get a feeling for the game and not, not really chase the game, but allow the game to come to them. And, and that's, that's what you want. You want to slant, you want to hit, you want some. Want some, you know, short. But I think, I think right now, I'm not sure. With as bad as the jets are, everyone around Justin Fields has to be almost dead.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But they don't have that.

[Chad Johnson]

They have to. Yeah, they have to raise their level of play. They got to raise their level of play to catch up or to make sure they can overcome for Justin's mistakes or his lack of confidence right now. You have to, that's what you need. You, you need that kind of dog out there. And he didn't, he didn't play tonight. I think, I think Garrett Wilson, IR right now. So he's, he's gonna miss the next, now three games after the night and, and then, boy, they, they, they, they got the mustard up. They got the mustard up. You know, those that are there. John Meech. John Meech made some Mason plays. John Messi. I'm sorry, my apologize. Messi. Yeah, he, he made some plays tonight. Tight end, you know, little check down play, but that's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you got to have that catch that tight end on the fourth down. You gotta hold that one. You got the first down and you getting Late because you taking so long to submit the ball to you. The guy's driving.

[Chad Johnson]

Bring it in. Yeah, yeah, he driving. He knocked it down. But outside of that, man, listen, the jets that they, if they didn't play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That bad, they didn't, they really just couldn't get off the field in that first half. Ocho, they couldn't get off the field. Yeah, I mean, they get them in third. They get them in third and four, third and five. They get a first down. They get them in third and 10. Yeah, they get a first down. They just could not get off the field. And, and I'm like, okay, they rushed three, they rushed four. They bring pressure and they still didn't get there. I'm like, well, damn, how difficult, I mean, man, how difficult is it? And you, you right? And I think a lot of times the drops, maybe that, that messes with, with, with Justin Fields confidence because he's like, well, am I doing something? What am I doing wrong? Because he'll throw one terrible. And then he'll drop a dime. He'll throw two terrible. He'll throw another dime. He had, he had A.D. mitchell again on the go. He had Gonzalez in the ass with the ball. I, I thought he was playing pin to tail on the donkey. I said, well, damn, he had him. He, yeah, he hit Gonzalez in the ass.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, he was beat.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's the thing, when you get a guy beat down there. Oo, you know, you already struggling as an offense. You can't miss. And that's what I tweeted. I say, Mitchell, you're not that good offensively to, oh, you're not that good of a team to overcome those kind of mistakes. That's a flat out drop. And they're not. And you're saying, okay, you get a guy like Justin Fields and he's struggling, but they don't have the receivers, they don't have a Chase or Jetta or one of these top flight receivers that get a couple of them. They need more than one. They need a couple of, a couple of them that can elevate them. And I, I just, I, I just.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, it sucks. It sucks, it sucks. And listen, not, not only that, they, they're not playing well. They let two of the best players on defense go. Obviously you got, you got, you got players for them. So you would hope those players that you got in the trade can step up and, and, and, and, and play the part. And Obviously it's, it's 80, it's 80s first week. This is first. Yeah, too right. This is the first game. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The first time he caught a pass. This ain't the first time he ran around.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean. I mean, you tell me it's football.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You say, no matter where you go, wherever you play.

[Chad Johnson]

Right, Right, right, right, right, right. Like, I'm not. Listen, I'm not making no excuses for him. You have. You have to make those plays. You have to. You got to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And with Justin Fields. Excuse me, With Garrett Wilson out, you're supposed to be their best receiver because at the cold, they had high expectations until you got into Shane Steichen's doghouse with that fumble. It was never the same after that. Now, maybe there was something going on. Maybe that was the final straw that broke the camel's back Ocho. But from that point on.

[Chad Johnson]

It was the same. What's up, y'?

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

What a matchup we got, y'. All. This is that classic HBCU vibe. Non stop action. The band is rocking and the crowd lit. Chance, echo, drum beat, everybody showing that school pride. A game like this. Yeah, it calls for an ice cold Coca Cola. Ah, crisp and refreshing. That's a game changer right there. Yeah, that taste always hits the right note. Just like the band at halftime. And just like that, we're back at it. Passionate fans, school colors everywhere. And in ice cold Coca Cola, that's a winning combo. No matter the sport, no matter the yard, Everybody knows fan work is thirsty work. So grab a Coca Cola and keep that HBCU pride going.

[Ashley Rayfeld]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

We kick things off with Brian Boltinger breaking down what really went down on Sunday. It is as good a timing, rhythm offense as there is in the league right now.

[Chad Johnson]

Then Rhett Lewis joins us for our rookie draft in coordinator of the Week, where we highlight the rising stars and the masterminds calling the shots. DJ talked me into a Ronde Gadsden Jr. He had a monster game. Monster. A monster game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you hear from the voices who actually build the game, GMs, coaches, and players who give you insight you won't get anywhere else.

[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey y', all, it's me, your man, M.G. marcus Grant.

[Chad Johnson]

And I'm Michael F. Florio.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I'm Laquan Jones. If you're looking to win your fantasy football league, you need to tune in to the NFL Fantasy football podcast. It's right there in the name every week.

[Chad Johnson]

Florio LQ and I bring you the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Latest news from around the league. We break down every matchup, give you our analysis and advice so you know who to start, sit, drop and trade to bring that championship trophy home.

[Chad Johnson]

I just want to remind everyone how good Rasheed Rice was last season. In these three healthy games, he was the wide receiver. Two in fantasy, I think Rasheed Rice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Just goes off this week. The Chiefs come on. A flip pass to Rice near side. Touchdown.

[Chad Johnson]

Ramandre Stevens is my sleeper this week. This is a matchup where I think I can slide in Stevenson in my.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Flex position and he could deliver double.

[Chad Johnson]

Digit points this week.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Drake takes the snap, hands it off for Madre, running it right and running into the end zone. Touchdown. It's never too late to turn your fantasy season around. Subscribe to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Chad Johnson]

No, the same, but.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I just don't know how you throw for 27 yards in a game. You throw for 45 yards in a game. You throw For 46 yards in a game. You throw FOR 54 yards in a game and you throw for 116 yards. And 41 of that came on the final drive. I just don't know how you, you move on and, and, and become, and become what people thought you were going to become when they took you as a top draft pick. Not, you know, I think you up 15 to 16, something like that. Oo. I just don't see the consistency. I don't see, I don't see him. One, two, check it down. One, two, three. Out of bounds. One, two gone. I don't see that. And you know, as a quarterback, the really good ones.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Back foot hit. Okay, I'm dropping back. I know the play, Ocho. I'm dropping back already. I'm going through it. Okay, we've gone through it through the course of the week. Cover one, we go here. Cover two, we go there. Quarters, we go here. Cover five, we go there. Sky six, we already know. So when you back it up, the savior's already told you what to do. Single house safety. Oh, I know. I'm going right now. Oh, he's covered.

[Chad Johnson]

Let me know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me see where two is. Is two there. Okay, let me take this. Check down, Ocho. Yeah. See, it seems like it's like he got a dial up service. He ain't got that 5G. They said they got something. They got 10G up in China saying you cut the phone up. They already gone to what you're looking for?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, most definitely. I, I think the fact that also with the officer line not, not playing as well as they should be, he's rushing everything a little bit. Not being able to go through his progression and, and understand, listen, pre snap, okay, I'm seeing what they're doing and once that ball snaps, you know, obviously you want, you want that, you want that head straight down the field. Not giving anything away and not having the time to be able to go through his read in progression. I think he speeds things up and hurries, throws, he rushes, throws to hurry up and get the ball out of his hands too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I mean, Ocho, I'm looking at. Against Buffalo, he averaged 2.5 yards of the temp. Against the Broncos, 2.6 yards per attempt. Against Carolina, 3.8 yards per attempt. Against Cleveland, 4.9 yards attempt. That's, that's not even a running back average is, is squat if he's doing that right. Imagine if you're a quarterback and that's what your yard per attempt is. That is horrible.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, it's bad. But, but also, you know, also, you know what else? It also comes down to the weapons around you. It also, it also comes down to what do you have? What is your supporting cast like? Now you take a Justin Fields here, hypothetically speaking, right? So you keep the same offense and you put a Jamar Chase or you put a Justin Jefferson, you put a T. Higgins or you put any of the top tier, top tier receivers on that team together. You know, a one and a one or one a one and a one or a decent, a decent one, A.

[Shannon Sharpe]

One, B one, a two.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, it looked completely different because they can overcome for all the woes that Justin Fields may be having, they can overcome all that. The small stuff. You got Jamar Chase, crazy ass, could take a goddamn slant and a goddamn hitch, 80 yards. You got T. Higgins. Any ball you throw to him, which was considered for most receivers, 50, 50, hell with him, it's 90, 10. Like small stuff like that. When you have players that, that, that can elevate their play to overcome for your, your shortcomings, it makes things easier. But they just don't have that. Therefore everybody else has to raise their level of play and damn near be perfect. But, and that, that's the issue. That's the issue they have.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look at the guys that you just mentioned. They had their best seasons. If you think about it, what do the guys do really well? Process information really, really quickly.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh yeah, go back and look At Joe very fast.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now go back and look at Joe Flacco. It doesn't even look like Chase is falling off because Joe Flacco back foot hit. I'm going to it. Cousins. Sam Darnold, you couldn't tell who's in there with Jenna because they process information quickly. You. And that is the number one thing. How well do you download information and how quickly can you disseminate it? I don't care. I don't care what type of arm you got. I don't care what type of leg you got. Can. Hey, if I input that information, oo how soon can you spit it back out?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. And. And the funny thing about it is not only being able to process it, not only being able to spit it out. But you know what makes it even easier? The you throwing to on the other.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I o But if I Much easier. But see, now you got me. Okay. I run a hitch route. Now you go. Got me. Well, do I need to slide? Do I need to slide? Because I'm anticipating Because I don't know where it's going to be. I know normally I will get a hitch. I will get it in the framework of my body. Ocho, because he's not going to be on the pressure because it's 1, 2, 3, boom, balls out. So he's not going to be up under pressure. So I'm thinking I'm gonna get the ball somewhere in here. Here, here. Oh, not out here.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So it makes it difficult. It's like sometimes when you dealing with a mobile quarterback, it's hard to adjust to them. Ocho. Because I run my route and next thing I know, he way over the crowd screaming. I'm like, damn. What happened? He way over there. I'm like, damn. So it's hard when your quarterback is inconsistent. I don't give a damn who the receiver is. You want some consistency at that position, but you want somebody that can digest information. The coach put the put it in and he spit it right back out in the form of getting the ball out of his hand. I hope I'm wrong. I pray I'm wrong. But I just don't know if he's ever going to be what many thought he would be. Especially when you look at the game that he had against. Who do you play against? Clemson. You look at that game that he had against Clemson and he was sensational.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I was like, okay, now playing with those guys that he had a lobby and Garrett Wilson and all those guys, we understand.

[Chad Johnson]

See? See?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you Realize once you get to the NFL, the likelihood of you having five receivers that are five stars or. Or be that type of guy, the likelihood is not very good. Yeah. Does he have a Chase? No. Does he have a Jetta? Does he have any of the top. Top receivers?

[Chad Johnson]

No, no, no, no. What I will say now, what I will say, he does have Garrett Wilson.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Now, Garrett Wilson was. Who had a phenomenal. Who had a phenomenal rookie year with lesser quarterbacks.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you. If you look at them, Ocho, if you look at them. If you just put them on paper and you say, look at what was throwing to Garrett Wilson when he won offensive rookie of the year, and you look at what's throwing to Garrett Wilson now. If you just look on play just a. You like what, man? With Justin Fields, he about to go crazy. And he played with him in college.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean. I mean, listen, Garrett Wilson is a phenomenal talent. Nothing should taper off when you have a talent like that. It's so easy when you look at what they're able to do with Devonte Adams and put in pooping the cool hell. Jsn. And obviously, I don't think the jets offensive coordinator has that kind of creativity to put. And you and Justin. Justin Fields to use Garrett Wilson in the right type of way to create those mismatches like the other team.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I. I can give you all the nice ingredients I want, but if you d. Can't cook, what the hell have I done? I spent a whole lot of money on going, great food, great ingredients, and I know you can't make a dish with comes down to it. Ocho, you the really good. You don't go look at chop in the Iron Chef, and they get these. They get these people. Okay, I'm gonna give you chocolate. I'm gonna give you onions. I'm gonna give you stone crabs. And I'm like, how. How did you even think of this? Yes, but you give somebody you can give. Oh, okay. I'm gonna give you steak. I'm gonna give you this. I'm gonna give you that. And you like, what up? What I'm supposed to make?

[Chad Johnson]

Mm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just. I hope I'm wrong chat. I really do, but I just. I. I just. And I've seen him, and I've watched him. Now, this man has gone through three head coaches and probably four offensive coordinators.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I'm not. And, and.

[Chad Johnson]

And.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And. And. And sometimes you get lucky and you get to. You get a Sean McVeigh or you get a Kyle Shanahan, But I just don't. I just don't know it. Because at the end of the day, the quarterback position is all about processing information and spitting it back out. That's what it comes down to. It. It is. I mean, I don't care how good, how big your arm is. I don't care how fast your legs are. Can you process it, Ocho? Because that's. That's a whole different ball game. Because not only must you process, no joke, you got to realize they got. They got fight. On most occasions, they got four guys that's really trying to tear your damn head off.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you got, like, you in fear for your life. But also, you gotta calm yourself down and says, you know what?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

One, two, check down. One, two, throw it out of bounds. One, two, F. That. I'm out.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. It's all. It's all about that clock.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Maybe, Maybe. Maybe put him in. Maybe put him in. Hurry up the game. Because it seems like, you know, when he's in. Hurry up, he's better.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then fumble.

[Chad Johnson]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, unless that's on the. That's on the center, too. That's on the center. Come on. That's the NFL Now. Put the. Put. Put the snap at the mid. It should be the snap. The snap should come in the same area every single time. You go through that all week. I mean, like, come on now. Come on, center.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't.

[Chad Johnson]

Don't do that. Don't do that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A. A little.

[Chad Johnson]

Man, the ball hit it. The B ball hit his ankles.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But so, you know what? It's just that, you know, take that. Take that. Take that away. They got three points out there. Give the defense credit, because I thought the defense gave up one touchdown and two field goals in the second half. Yeah, they did force a three and out on the. On the first possession of the second half, which is kudos, you know. You see, I think the jets won the toss and they took the ball. They drove the ball right down the field. Something they don't normally. Don't do. It normally ends in a punt or turnover. And they drove the ball. I think they had the ball like 14 plays and drove the ball and punched it in the end zone. But I. I just. Lord, I hope I'm wrong, but I just. I just. I just don't see where he's ever going to be more than what he is. I don't think he's ever going to be turning to what. And. And that's. And that's okay because everybody Ain't gonna be a Lamar Jackson. Everybody's not gonna be Josh Allen or Patrick Mahone. But I mean, I, I think if the jets could be okay if he was just like, middle of the road. You just can't be. You can't be the bottom tier. I'm not saying you got to be top tier, but, I mean, if we got that kind of. If we got. Chad, you can see this. If we got this much space, can you be somewhere in here and not be down here in the middle?

[Chad Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Can. Can. Can. Can we get that? Oo.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, it all. You know what else it all comes down to? Not only all. Not. Not only all the intangibles and all the, all the, the nuances that we're talking about, but unless you got confidence on. Ain't nothing happening. You got to be able to play with confidence. You have to be able to play with confidence in, in everything that you do. And one of the most important positions, the most important goddamn quarterback.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's the most important.

[Chad Johnson]

The most. The most.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because if you don't believe your, your body language.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Your aura is gonna say, if you don't believe. I don't believe either. I mean, if, if you don't trust your skill, why you want me? That's why I used to get in the car. Ocho that joke, somebody. But they seat belt. Fasten their seat belt. Hell, I fasten mine. You know something I don't? So you can build.

[Chad Johnson]

You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I've been around quarterbacks, when they walk into the huddle, you know, they give you the confidence that, you know, what the hell you doing.

[Chad Johnson]

Exactly, exactly. Exactly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, this.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I, I hope. I hope they get it together. I'm not sure what direction they're gonna go in, but, but the way they've started so far and letting Sauce go and let go. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I, I, I just. Wait, listen. But who you going. You g. You gonna start over with a quarterback?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I believe so. You gonna start with a new quarterback?

[Chad Johnson]

You gonna draft another one? You gonna draft another?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, I don't know if there's any, Any quarterbacks that's gonna become available. Yeah, probably. Sam Darnold didn't want any parts of which I wouldn't blame him, you know? But look, I mean, every day seemed like I hear a story about somebody that played there having an interaction with the owner, and it's never positive and it's never good.

[Chad Johnson]

Right. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And with that situation, I hope AG gets at least three years, because it's not like you had a, had a powerful roster to begin with and now you stripped him of his two best defensive players. So he got to get at least two years. And without a quarterback, you can give him five years and he's still not gonna get it done because you're not. It's hard. It's damn near impossible. And I know, well, y' all did it in 22,000 with the ray, with Trent Dilfer. They don't allow you to play football like that.

[Chad Johnson]

No, absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't play football like that anymore. The rules are different. So no, ain't there's nobody winning another super bowl like we won it or like Tampa won in O2. You're not, because they won't allow you to play defense like that. Your quarterback is going to have to stand in the pocket and he's going to have to make plays throwing the effing football. Yeah, he's going to be able to use his legs to get out of harm's way some, but he's gonna have to be able to throw the football. The days of, oh, we got a killer defense and we're gonna run the ball. No, you're not.

[Chad Johnson]

No, no, you're not, you're not, you're not gonna, you're not gonna win very many games like that because once the team gets ahead on you, once the team gets ahead of you, 10, 14 points and you can't run your way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Back into a game.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you this, Ocho, do you like Kyler Murray? Because I, I believe there's, I believe there's going to be a separation of church and state in, in Arizona.

[Chad Johnson]

Huh? Yeah, most definitely. Because that, I think Kyler Murray is healthy. I think, yeah, me personally, I think he's healthy. But they're continuing to want to go with Jacoby Brissette based on how he look and how the offense move with him, you know, the, the few weeks he's been in, if they do part ways with him, I'm sure Kyler Murray will be somewhere else next year for sure. How, how would it look over in New York? I'm not sure. I'm not sure if, if it's a fit. It all depends on ag. Obviously outside of ag, you, you got to go to the higher powers and see if that's. Oh yeah, they want to look into. Or do you want to go into the draft? Now when you, when you think about some of the quarterback coming into the draft, you know, this year, is there a franchise altering quarterback that can come in there and, and Change the franchise. I. I haven't seen anything like that this year. There. There have been some that have played good, but nothing that just blows you out the water. Like, you know what? That guy, we got to have him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I agree.

[Chad Johnson]

I haven't seen. I haven't seen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I haven't seen it either. Ocho. So we'll see how this plays out.

[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Ashley Rayfeld]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Ashley Rayfeld]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Ashley Rayfeld]

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[Chad Johnson]

Hey, what's up everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here and I'm Bucky Brooks. If you love breaking down football from every angle, you're in the right place. Every week on Move the Six, Bucky Brooks and I dive deep, deep into the game. From the X's and O's to the front office moves shaping the league.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We kick things off with Brian Binger breaking down what really went down on Sunday. It is as good a timing, rhythm offense as there is in the league right now.

[Chad Johnson]

Then Rhett Lewis joins us for our rookie draft and coordinator of the week where we highlight the rising stars and the masterminds calling the shots. DJ talked me into a Ronde Gadsden Jr. He had a monster game. Monster. A monster game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

And I'm Michael F. Florio.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

It's right there in the name.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

I just want to remind everyone how good Rasheed Rice was last season and his three healthy games. He was the wide receiver. Two in fantasy. I think Rasheed Rice just goes off this week.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Chiefs come on a flip pass to Rice near Side Touchdown.

[Chad Johnson]

Ramandre Stevens is my sleeper this week. This is a matchup where I think I can slide in Stevenson in my.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Flex position and he could deliver double.

[Chad Johnson]

Digit points this week.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you interviewed him, you should have. He should have never left your building.

[Chad Johnson]

You shouldn't. Hey, listen, you got to do that. You got to understand. You got to understand a coach like that. Which is why Mr. Crab did what he did. Which is why Mr. Crab, he understood. He understood the assignment. Ain't no way in hell we have a quarterback. I think we just have the right person in charge, you know, with a little structure, with a little discipline that can instill that Patriot way, you know. Gerard Mayo I think was well capable of doing so. They just didn't play well for Gerard Mayo for. For whatever reason. I don't know. But the team looks completely different under the tutelage of goddamn micro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They look like a totally different team.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, I don't know why but listen, I don't think Mike Vapor would have had success in New York anyway. He wouldn't have had success. Hell, if you want to have success, if you couldn't do it in Tennessee, you damn sure won't be able to do in New York.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think. I think Tennessee got with him prematurely. That's what I think. I think the thing is, you listen today like he and the owners started butting head, you know. You know how it is. Oh a.

[Chad Johnson]

And yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you know, I guarantee she wish she had Mike Brable now she's finding out. She, she's finding out the hard way.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

She's finding out the hard way. I think the thing is, Ocho, like, when you're in, when you're in that type of position, you're in ownership or you're in leadership, the one thing you can't be is impulsive.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get mad. You fired. You can't do that. Even though sometimes I understand that you won't. You might want to. You're never working this industry again.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Brave will have. I mean, think about it. And then they, they, they, they let Derrick Henry go and they ended up trading A.J. brown.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Yes. Hey, listen. Horrible decision, but A.J. wanted out. But they were making horrible decisions.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They wouldn't pay.

[Chad Johnson]

It was to try to. Yeah, that too. But the trade was to try and better their team. Let's see what we can get for them and see if we can improve our team. They drafted brother Traylon Burks, who was supposed to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think my camera cut off.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I mean, that, that didn't pan out. That didn't pan out too well. So, I mean, it's just, they've been making some bad business decisions when it comes to not only players, but the coaches, the coach as well. You, you have, you have a Super bowl winning coach that knows what it takes to win. He knows how to build a team. Obviously, coming from the new way, the, the Patriot way, coming from New England. You know what? I have the formula. I know what it takes. It's not going to be the snap of a finger. And you can't just take money and throw money at it. I need time now. And with that time, I need you to give me a quarterback. If you give me a quarterback, I'll take care of the rest. He goes to New England. He has a quarterback. Okay, you know what? Now we set. We have a franchise quarterback for the next 10 to 15 years. Now, Mr. Kraft, let me, Let me do the rest. Let me do the rest. So what we see from the Patriots right now, we finna see this for.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The next 10, 12, 15 years for sure. Because the one thing that you know about Mr. Kraft is that he'll get. He'll step out of the way. Yes, step out of the way. Now, do I think he has more in common with Brable than he did Coach Belichick? Yes, I do. I think they just. I think under normal circumstances, Mr. Craft and coach Belichick probably would have butted heads, but in a situation like what we're in, Ocho, I'm gonna, hey, I'm mining gold, and we're still finding it. And now if Rabel takes that job and they can entice Sam Donald to come back, because I do think Sam Donald says, okay, here's a coach that has control. I ain't gotta. I. I don't gotta worry about ownership. I ain't got to worry about no general manager. Mike Grable got control. I'm not saying he has as much control, but I believe.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who's the general manager? Didn't. He didn't. Didn't the general manager come back with Brabel? Yeah, because at the end of the day, Ocho, some people take jobs, and I'm just happy to have a job. They ain't got no sale over the 53. They got no sale over 50. Free agency. They ain't got no say over the draft.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, that. That's hard. That's hard. That's hard to be a coach.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tennessee, or was he already there? I know he got great brable. More than likely has sale over 53 and has some say draft.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because he knows what he wants. He knows the type of player. He knows the system that he's trying to run. He knows the type of player that he needs to fit set players.

[Chad Johnson]

He needs. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's why Coach Belichick, a lot of times when he drafted players, he wouldn't work them out himself, but he needed to talk to him. Because the thing is, you can't have a big ego and play for coach Belichick.

[Chad Johnson]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because you say you got to shut the door. Nah, you gotta leave your ego alone. Because see, if you check it at the door, you might. Hey, sneak. Hey, ain't nobody will and go back and get it.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Nah, that. That ain't gonna work.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, that.

[Chad Johnson]

It ain't gonna work. As a matter of fact, it's probably. It's not gonna work with Raven.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely not.

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on. What's the first thing we say about Stefan Diggs? What's the first thing everyone says about Stefan Diggs? Well, hell, he looked like a whole different person. He seemed like a whole different person. No, that's just when you walk in that door in New England and just something about that atmosphere. They always talk about the patriot way. It's. I can't explain it. I was there. It just the. Or the atmosphere. Just you. You check yourself.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The standard is the standard.

[Chad Johnson]

Automatically you just do it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is that your sound of my sound?

[Chad Johnson]

Not. Not. Okay, not in the room.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because you were speaking out. Your mouth was moving. I hear Nothing.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, my bad, my bad, my bad. You know. Yeah. You know, I be talking so goddamn fast, man. My bad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but man, I, I, I. Look, the Patriots gonna be good for a long time and what we thought was a foregone conclusion that Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills are going to run this division for the next 10 years. That's not going to be the case. Yeah, this is going to be a dog fight in this division. Yeah, it's going to be a dog fight in this division.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, but between two teams. Yeah, for sure between, between two teams. It's gonna always, it's gonna be always for the next decade. It's gonna be the Patriots or the goddamn Bills.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I agree. Oh, Nacho. Nacho. Guppies.

[Chad Johnson]

Who?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Your guppies.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, no, listen, listen. The pa. Listen, the Dolphins and the jets are in the same boat. They ain't the same because they, they f to scrap. They finish scrapping and clean house too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They are. Ocho Bleacher Report ranks his top five most overrated quarterbacks. They name Lamar Jackson as the most overrated quarterback in the NFL. Said he may not just be one of today's most overrated active quarterbacks, but also of all time. His two time MVP status is borderline fraudulent. His credentials don't measure up to other legends who've won the award on numerous occasions. Of the 10 players that have joined multiple MVP clubs during the Super bowl era, Jackson is the lone member without a Super bowl ring. All the others on that list include Johnny Unit, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Kurt Warner, Patrick Mahomes. Were able to take their team to multiple super bowl appearances and won at least once. Jackson has yet to even reach the big game. He's 3 and 5 lifetime in playoffs and has a.375 postseason winning percentage that stands far away the worst among multiple MVP winners. First of all, Steve Young did not take no team to multiple MVPs. He was a backup. He took his team to 1M, to one Super bowl and he did win it. That was in 1994. He threw six touchdowns in Miami to beat the charges. So let's, let's. I like to give context. Steve Young did not go to multiple Super Bowls. Now also, if I'm not mistaken, I think Earl Morrow. Didn't Earl Morrow start one of those super bowl for the, the Colts. Oh, you had a two and Johnny Unis did. Earl. Yeah, Miami. Johnny. Johnny went to two. Two Colts went to two Super Bowls. I know they beat the Cowboys on the field. Goal.

[Chad Johnson]

He was only there for the cold Baltimore Colts.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who? Johnny? Yeah. Okay, okay, look, I get it. Yes. And Ocho, we talked about this. This is the only. The albatross. This is the elephant in the room. You see the names that are on this list that have won multiple MVPs. Lamar is the only one that hasn't been to a Super Bowl. That's not to say Ocho's career is not ending tomorrow.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely not. Which way?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everybody jumped on me when I said his career will be looked at as a disappointment if he doesn't get to a Super bowl considering what he had accomplished. You base it on what these other guys see. You can't just look, well, he won two MVPs. You got to look at the company that he's in. That's one, two MVPs. Now you start looking at it, you're like, well, damn, he has to get the one. Aaron Rodgers went to one. He has to get to at least one. And then we look at him totally different. He gets the one and he wins it. We look at him differently, Ocho. We just do. Yeah, absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

But, yeah, listen, I understand the company keep. The fact that he's won two MVPs, the fact that he's one of those MVPs, those that are in the chat, that are listening, that are watching, you have to understand that he's in a different Clean. A class of his own. In a different class, for that matter. So when it comes to judging him, he judged based off his. His. What is not compadres. What's the word I'm looking for in the company? His peers. He's. He judged based on his other peers that won MVPs as well, and most of them, if not all, have been to a Super bowl, whether they won a Super bowl or not. So he jump off. Off of that. But the whole overrated part is the part I don't like. That's the part I don't like saying that he's overrated because he hadn't gotten there yet when he's still playing and only a seventh, maybe eighth year. I'm not sure which one it is. Is ridiculous.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nothing about Lamar's first year.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, okay, but. But nothing about Lamar Jackson. And what do you bring to the table? What do you bring to the NFL would he bring to the Baltimore Ravens in general? And giving them a chance and having them in contention every goddamn year. Nothing about that is overrated. I. That's the part I don't like now, that is more to me, it's More clickbait. There should be a different title when it comes to talk about the quarterbacks and that have won MVPs and have been or won a Super bowl, that the title should be goddamn different. Overrated, my goddamn ass. Now, that. That's a bunch of.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, let me ask you a question. But when you looking at him. Him. You. But, see, here's the thing. They're not. See, you're looking at him against his peers. They're looking at me against his peers that have won two MVPs. So when you look at him. So look at the class that he's in. You compared him to my homeboy. Two MVPs, five Super bowl appearances, three wins. You look at Peyton Manning, five MVPs, three Super bowl appearances, two wins. You looking at Tom Brake. Move on. You look. Yeah, you looking at.

[Chad Johnson]

How about. How about this? Everybody on that list. Everybody on that list, except one person, is already done and not planning correct. Everybody on that list is done not playing. So how about we wait until he's done playing and then we justify whether he belongs in that company or not or whether he's overrated or not. And even if he doesn't go to a goddamn super bowl, what he's going to continue to do, the resume that he's going to put together, whether he wins three more MVPs and doesn't make a goddamn super bowl or not. Nothing about Lamar Jackson is overrated. I know the fact. The way we judge quarterbacks is based on wins and losses and rings and hardware and all that. But when it comes down to the nitty gritty, when you're talking to people that played the game, forget the. Forget the media, forget the pundits, forget those that never played the game. Nothing about Young Bull out of goddamn Pompano who played for Boyne Beach High School, is overrated. Whether he has the goddamn ring or not, he will still go down as one of the best, the best quarterbacks to ever play this goddamn game. How do we judge Dan Marino? Do we say Dan Marino is not one of the greats because he's gonna race?

[Shannon Sharpe]

See, here's the thing, Ocho. G R E A T. Great. Now, if we add Est. One of the greatest. Yeah, that's what he's going for. You see, you said something very interesting, and this is. And this is actually true. Only quarterbacks get measured by wins. And Super Bowl. No other. No other position. Super Bowls matter, okay? Right. Not like they do for a quarterback. Because Ocho, even when. When Brady wasn't putting up Numbers like Peyton Manning. They said he was better than Manning because what did he have that Manning didn't? Championships. Think about it.

[Chad Johnson]

Now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Peyton Manning had won multiple. Multiple MVPs. Brady had three Super Bowls. Manning had three regular season MVP. They say, well, Brady's better, right? Because Brady has. As you was pointing to your fingers, that's how they. Oh, I don't set the rules. You see what happened with ring culture. You see what is it done? It'll make people jump around and go, try to find the best situation where they can win a ring. And then they shut you up, and it's like, okay, yeah, I've already done what I needed to do.

[Chad Johnson]

Now it's no more argument. It's no more arguing. At that point, especially when it comes to basketball, you have those that. That have to chase the ring because of ring culture in the rules. The unwritten rules. Matter of fact, how about that? The unwritten rules. Because who the hell came up with it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know. Because they were saying. They were saying Jordan was better than Magic, and Magic had five rings. They were saying Jordan was better than Bird, and Bird had three MVPs and three rings. He had. He's the last guy to win three consecutive MVPs. You got to go all the way back to Wilt. So what has happened is that now I give you another one. The next couple years, people gonna say, Shanghai Ohtani is the greatest baseball player we've ever seen. He's got four MVPs. He's got him unanimously. He's got two Super. He got two World Series wings. Ocho, he had one of the great postseason performance where he struck out 10 and hit three home runs. Now he mess around and get another one and win another World Series. Who we. Who what we. Who what we gonna compare him to? Because four MVPs, unanimously.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, that's. That's crazy. That's crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you see, once you start, and Barry Barnes was so great, even everybody that played against him said, that is the greatest player that I've ever seen. Greg Maddox said, well, it was really easy to pitch to Barry. If it mattered, you walked him. He said his job was to get 27 outs. You don't get them on him. So pick the other eight guys to get him. Figure and figure it out. So when you look at Ocho, I get. Look, it's hard to say a man. A man like Lamar, and maybe you're right, maybe overrated is a harsh term. But I think if we. They're looking. They're looking at it as the 10 guys that have something that no other guys have, and that is think about the NFL, how long it's been going on.

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on. Stay with me. Real quick now. So if we. If we talk about hardware, right? And hardware. Hardware puts quarterbacks in a different and different. In a different year where. Where not just great. Greatest. So are we saying, like, Ben Roethlisberger belongs in that tier 2? Are we saying Russell Wilson also belongs in that tier 2? When we talk about quarterbacks that are the greatest because they have.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. None of these. None of those guys have regular season MVPs.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, so they're.

[Chad Johnson]

They're okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There, there. There's.

[Chad Johnson]

So we can't. We can't. We can't move it over.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you a question. Has anybody ever said Ben Roethlisberger was greater than Tom Brady? Peyton Manning?

[Chad Johnson]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So when you. Oh, so when you look at it, and so when you. When you look at it, you have to have regular season MVPs, that. Those matter. Now when you. When you start getting postseason MVPs, that means you won the Super Bowl. See, you see, Brady. Hold on. Brady has three regular season MVPs. He has seven Super Bowls and five Super Bowl MVP. So no matter what criteria you use, it's going to be hard for somebody to overtake him. Unless my homeboy gets five mvp. Let's just say for the sake of argument, we have a compelling case. If my homeboy. My homeboy is not even 30. I think he just turned 30.

[Chad Johnson]

You got a long way to go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

So you got a long way to go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So. And. And the thing. He just turned 30. So when you look at Ocho, I think that is the thing. They're. They're comparing him in this elite category. Elite, which is guys that have won multiple MVPs. It ain't that many quarterbacks. That's one, two. What is it? Unanis, Manning, Rogers, Brady, Favre, Montana, Young, Warner, Mahomes. It's nine. Lamar makes 10.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's the only one that's never been to a Super Bowl. Now, if he doesn't get to a Super bowl, what are they going to say? Ocho? Honor. Be honest. You know what they're going to say?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We. We know what they're going to say. We know what they're going to say. But I. I listen. I know what they're gonna say, but I know what my eyes and seeing all the years I've seen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me do you one better. They say guys that got super bowl rings at the receiver position better than Ocho. Cause Ocho ain't got no rings. But you run circles around them on the field. You see how they did? You see how they did? You see, you see how they did that?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I got you. I got. Listen, I'm with you when you're right now picking up what you put down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I'm saying.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So now, so just imagine they do that for the receipt. So imagine if a quarterback. That's what I said. Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

It's even. It's even. It's even worse. It's even worse now. I hate that it's like that. I hate that it's like that. It's. It's somewhat of an unwritten rule, just like the unwritten rule of hockey when it comes to fighting. Just like the unwritten role. Unwritten rule in baseball. Like, I understand it. I hate that it's like that. Hey, ring culture, when it comes to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Talking basketball, it matters.

[Chad Johnson]

Nobody.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It just does.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, it matters. But that, that's just the way it is. But I mean, listen, it is what it is. I think, I think with the way obviously they, they didn't, they didn't, they didn't have a good year, a good start to the year. They obviously they still can.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you tried the Ravens?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think they're going to win the division. I think they're going to get, they're going to get a home game.

[Chad Johnson]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think they're gonna win.

[Chad Johnson]

So what about. So what you think, what you think we gonna do?

[Shannon Sharpe]

So that's what I think you could do. Nothing.

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on, hold on. I'll tell you what I know. I tell you what. This, I, I'm very serious tonight. I'm very serious tonight. But I tell you this, I will give you guys a division. If we lose to the Steelers, which I doubt we do. If we lose to the Steelers, I say you guys are probably going to win the division at that point. But if we go in there and we beat the Steelers, that momentum, I tell you, I tell you what, that momentum, the rest of the season is going to be hell. I don't, I don't give two. You know what. Two. Drop the dried up pigeon. You know what, on concrete, how bad our defense is that momentum offensively, Man. Man, listen, man, I don't know. It's gonna be tough now. We, we. If we lose to the Steelers. I mean, that's it. It's a wrap.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh yeah, for sure.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean our, our season is over.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And so that's, that's, that's the thing because you know, you, you look at Lamar and it's, it's tough because in his era he got Mahomes. There are a lot of quarter. There are a lot of people that's going to get overlooked just like they got overlooked. Ben didn't get the credit that he deserves. Drew Brees didn't get the credit that they deserve because why they played in the era with smack dab with Peyton Manning and Tom Brady and you're talking about guys that got eight regular season MVPs and 10. No, hell no. Tom, Tom is nine and 12 Super bowl appearances with nine wins.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. God, that's crazy, man. You know what's so funny too is we've been spoiled. We've been spoiled by the Peyton Mannings and, and then the Tom Brady's and the Patrick Mahomes and the Joe Montana and people don't understand how difficult the Aaron Rodgers, the Brentford, they don't understand Brent Ross, all these quarterbacks. And it's 32 teams. It's 32 teams and it's only a handful of quarterbacks in each hand.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Almost over 30 years that are, are tier one quarterbacks. Yeah. That just lets people know how difficult that position is and how special those are that are in those conversations that we're talking about. And the fact that Lamar's name is in those conversations and winning two MVPs and those unwritten rules kind of give you like a. He's not really there yet until he does this. So he got, he got to get there. I'm not sure when it's gonna happen, but it's gonna happen before his career.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. My bad. Tom has 10 Super bowl appearances.

[Chad Johnson]

God damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He has 10.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, that's crick.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Lost to Eli twice and lost to a Nick Foles.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes. On the trick.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Philly special.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, the Philly special.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho. Now here's the next five. They had Lamar number one, had Jordan Love number two, Justin Herbert number three, Dak Prescott number four, Trevor Lawrence number five. Now Trevor Lawrence need to be where Lamar is. I'mma put Lamar down. If you go put, you go put Lamar on this list. I'mma put him down at five.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence, man. I don't think Justin Herbert's overrated. Let's see now that he has Jim Harbaugh. The one thing we Know about Jim Harbaugh.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He, he gonna win. They're gonna play like, stay out defense. And he gets, he gonna get to a Super Bowl. I'm not gonna say it's gonna be this year.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, but he definitely, he definitely gonna.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get, he getting there.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, and the way Justin Herbert is playing this year, too, man. Justin Herbert is throwing that ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey, Quentin. It is Quentin Johnston. Quin.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Quentin.

[Chad Johnson]

Quentin Johnston, man. Young Bull. Young Bull got his confidence playing extremely well. Larus Maki playing extremely well. Keenan Allen, that veteran presence in that locker room, playing extremely well. So there really, there really are no, the second. Yeah, now I forgot about Ronde Gaston II catching hell of that ball. Being a Marian Hampton. I think he's coming back. He's coming back on the back, on the back end of the season. I think he, I think he's gonna be back. No off injury. They, they, they gonna make a nice little run. They're gonna make a nice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They absolutely will. Jordan Love. Jordan Love's gonna have to, he gonna have to get better, man. Jordan Love gonna have to be better. I don't know if somebody has got in his ear and talking about, bro, you got to push the ball down the field, man. You make too much money. You make too much money to be, to be missing these throws like. And I'm not saying you're gonna make every, you're not gonna make every throw. I get that. I understand. And I'm not trying to minimize playing that position because that's a position I.

[Chad Johnson]

Couldn'T play very difficult.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But come on, bro, that's why they play. The more you get paid, the more expected, the more expectation and a burn that is placed on you. That's just, that's just the rules of engagement.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, can you imagine, can you imagine being responsible not only for a team, but playing the most important position on the field? The ball is in your hands the most. They paying you 50, $55 million a year. Matter of fact, forget a year. They paying you 50, $55 million in six months. Six months. And I need, I need you to carry this franchise. Yeah, man, you talk about pressure. I know. It's the game of football. It's what we all have done since we were four years old. But, man, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but look, I, I, I'm with you, Ocho. I believe Lamar Jackson is going to get to a Super Bowl. And once he gets there and he wins it, it's over.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, get, get that monkey. Get that monkey off my back so I can go play freely. Please. Thank you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see, think about it. I give you a prime example. LeBron James had two MVPs, but he had never. Hadn't gotten to the finals. He had. He had two, lost two, and then all of a sudden he, he won and got that monkey off his back.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It was a rap problem is you mess around, let Lamar get this thing, get the monkey off his back, he might get the. Might double you up, go back to back Jack.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, I. I got one question too. Now. Now that we talking about those unwritten rules, especially in these conversations when it comes to quarterbacks and MVPs. It was, it was just on my. Well, well, it's kind of different because Jalen hurts. Jalen hurts has a Super Bowl MVP in a ring, so he's not in that conversation.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Correct.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

These are only. These are the only guys in the.

[Chad Johnson]

Super bowl regular season MVPs that have.

[Shannon Sharpe]

At least two regular season MVPs.

[Chad Johnson]

Right? Okay. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There are nine guys. Lamar make the 10th. Lamar is the only one that hasn't appeared any Super Bowl.

[Chad Johnson]

Right. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And think about it. Peyton Manning never went back to back Tom. And Tom, Joe and Mahomes are the only ones to go back to back of the group. That Right. Peyton didn't go to back to back Super Bowls.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Kurt didn't. Kurt went 99. We won 2000. They went in 2001. And then he went again with Arizona, I think in. What was that? 2008. I think it was 2008 because 2009 was New Orleans. 2000, what you call them? Because 7 was the Giants, 8 was the Steelers. 9. 9 was. Yeah, 9 was New Orleans, 10 was the Giants again. Yeah. 11 was the Packers.

[Chad Johnson]

2008.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah. 11 was the Packers, 12 with the Seahawks.

[Chad Johnson]

All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, my bad. I'm sorry. I be. I'm sorry. I'm just. I'm just, you know, just, just going. But like I said. Oo. Once he gets that monkey off his back. Oo.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah, you gonna be fine.

[Shannon Sharpe]

O.

[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

Matter of fact, four weeks. Yes. Four weeks. Of game four weeks of game seven. Yes. And you gotta muster it up and play your best football. You gotta play your best football.

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