Nightcap Hour 1: Knicks take COMMANDING 3-0 Series Lead + Anthony Edwards DETAILS facing Victor Wembanyama

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1 (May 24, 2026): Knicks Take Commanding 3-0 Lead + Anthony Edwards on Wembanyama

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Nightcap" on Club Shay Shay, hosted by Uncle Joe (Shannon Sharpe), Chad "Ocho Cinco" Johnson, and their co-host, dives deep into the New York Knicks' dominant playoff performance, cementing a 3-0 series lead over the Cleveland Cavaliers. The crew also discusses Anthony Edwards’ take on playing against Victor Wembanyama and breaks down the broader context of the NBA Playoffs, including trends, player narratives, and what’s next for teams on the brink.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Knicks' Domination and Cavs' Collapse

• The Knicks have taken a "commanding" 3-0 lead over Cleveland, marking their first trip to the NBA Finals since 1999 in sight. (06:32)
• "The last 10 games they've won by 13, 16, 11, 36, 39, 51, 29, 16 ... only one game decided by less than double figures." – Uncle Joe (06:30)
• Knicks have a postseason point differential of +234, surpassing even legendary playoff runs by the Warriors and Spurs.

2. Cleveland's Lack of Fight

• Discussion focuses on Cleveland's demoralizing game one collapse and subsequent lack of energy at home.
• "From game one, it was so demoralizing, bro. ... I think they just came in and they wanted it more than the Cavs in their own building." – Ocho Cinco (09:18)
• Repeated critiques of inertia and lack of accountability, especially from Cleveland’s stars.

3. Cavs’ Problems: Roster, Rotations, and Effort

• Wade’s presence in the starting lineup is questioned: "17 minutes, no points, one field goal attempt. You might as well go ahead and put Screws or Merrill in." – Uncle Joe (10:15)
• "They’re playing four on five… you need that threat." – Ocho Cinco (10:40)
• "Donovan Mitchell ... 9 of 21. Yeah, he got 23 points, but it took him 21 shots to get it." – Uncle Joe (10:42)

4. Knicks' Formula for Success

• Praise for Mike Brown's adjustments: integrating KAT (Karl-Anthony Towns) into the offense without over-relying on him, empowering Brunson, Bridges, OG Anunoby, and Josh Hart. (14:08)
• "As a big man, as long as they get some touches here and there, you keep them happy. They'll play hard as I don't know what for you." – Ocho Cinco (14:08)
• Josh Hart’s impactful stat lines and intangibles: "12 points, nine rebounds, five assists, four steals, bro, that's somebody who playing hard." – Ocho Cinco (14:08)

5. The Cavs’ Future and Roster Questions

• Debates around the sustainability of the Cavs’ roster and the expensive backcourt tandem of Donovan Mitchell and James Harden.
• "At what expense do I keep this back court together? ... They're not better than the Knicks, Boston's coming back, Orlando will be better..." – Uncle Joe (32:23)
• Small forward deficiency highlighted as a weakness that needs to be addressed. (32:45)

6. Accountability and Mindset

• "You have to deliver in the postseason because all the greats have had to do it." – Uncle Joe (29:14)
• Discussion of body language and energy, suggesting that the Cavs "look tired, ... look exhausted out there" and have lost their competitive spark. (30:08)

7. Defensive Philosophy and Playoff Intensity

• Importance of on-ball defenders: "When you got a Bronson and you don't have no defenders … Mitch is not a defender. Donovan is not a defender. Wade is not a defender. Mobley can defend. Jared Allen is more a help defender... So they don't really have anybody." – Uncle Joe (40:39)
• Knicks praised for their defensive pressure and willingness to take on one-on-one challenges, contrasted with the Cavs' lack of resistance.

8. Broader Playoff Picture & What’s Next

• East remains competitive, but Knicks look ascendant; Western Conference described as a battleground with teams beat up, likely giving the Knicks rest advantage if they close out.
• Landry Shamet’s emergence as an X-factor, especially as a catch-and-shoot threat and improved defender. (19:29)

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Anthony Edwards on Victor Wembanyama: Facing the "Cheat Code" (51:39–58:00)

Defending Wembanyama

• "When he spread out, the rim ain’t nothing but 10ft, so you gotta put that so high above the rim. When he on defense, you be on the floor this high and he gotta go. That feel like a statue. It's so hard to beat them when he on the floor just because of his defense." – Uncle Joe & Ocho Cinco (51:39)
• Edwards reportedly joked about being glad when Wemby got ejected: "Man, I was so happy that [he] got kicked out ... I hope they suspend him." (52:02)

Wemby's Unique Two-Way Impact

• The crew marvels at Wemby handling the ball at the perimeter and his effect on spacing, saying "that's what's making the Spurs so much danger. ... We all know Wemby is a cheat code." – Ocho Cinco (54:52)
• "He’s gotta establish position ... in the mid post, low post to where they have to double. ... Now you get guys diving to the basket." – Uncle Joe (56:21)

Advice vs. OKC and Defensive Adjustments

• Discussion on how OKC will handle Wemby and the need for him to do the gritty work inside: "The further you away from the basket, the harder it is for the rebound." – Uncle Joe (58:22)
• "The resistance or the physicality that Hardenstein is bringing ... is starting to kind of wear on him a little bit. That's why he's been out there on the perimeter so so damn much." – Ocho Cinco (55:23)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Knicks’ Dominance:
  "The series is over. ... How can [the Cavs] get a game, let alone the series?" – Uncle Joe (06:32)
• On Cavs’ Morale:
  "From a competitive standpoint, Ocho, you gotta at least compete, bro ... it's just too many empty possessions on the defensive end to where it’s just like ‘oh yeah, go ahead, y’all get that layup, man’ ... this is the playoffs." – Co-host (13:03)
• On Josh Hart:
  "It's in his DNA. Yeah, he's going to play hard." – Uncle Joe (17:03)
• On Mitchell & Harden:
  "Who’s been able to compliment Harden? ... It’s almost like ‘my turn, your turn’ basketball. That ain’t no offense." – Uncle Joe (34:16)
• On Wembanyama:
  "We all know, Wemby is a cheat code, bro." – Ocho Cinco (54:52)
• On Playoff Mentality:
  "We know all y’all plays, y’all know all our damn plays. Amano. Amano. Now, will versus will, man. You gotta take the challenge." – Ocho Cinco (41:44)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Knicks’ Commanding Series Lead & Context: 06:30–10:42
• Cavs' Lack of Energy and Effort: 09:17–13:03
• Roster, Rotation & Defensive Issues: 14:08–20:34
• Accountability & Season Assessment: 29:14–34:16
• Discussion on Knicks’ Defensive/Offensive Balance: 40:39–47:29
• Anthony Edwards on Wembanyama: 51:39–58:00

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Summary Tone & Style

The tone stays candid, competitive, and tinged with good-natured ribbing, blending genuine basketball analysis with former player perspective and locker room storytelling. It’s critical of teams and players who don’t "leave it all on the court," while deeply appreciative of hustle, authenticity, and smart adjustments by coaches.

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Final Thoughts

The episode is a must-listen for fans interested in why the Knicks are running through the East, the kind of chemistry and execution winning teams show, and the pitfalls—talent, chemistry, effort—that can doom would-be contenders. The discussion on Wembanyama’s defensive intimidation and Anthony Edwards’ humor provides a needed change of pace, bridging serious basketball talk with the personalities that make the NBA great.

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[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Wow.

[Uncle Joe]

The highest point differential any postseason The Knicks is 2026 are 234 +234 in perspective. The warriors with Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, Clay and Draymond was only plus 230. The 2014 spurs was 214. That is insane company. The last 10 games they won by 13, 16, 11, 36, 39, 51, 29, 16. Let that sink in. Only one game has been decided by less than double figure. What happened? Oh, they don't know that the average the average margin of Victory Joe Ocho 22 and a half points per game. So in the last 10 games only one team has been able to be within double digits. 13, 16, 11, 30, 14, 6, 39, 51, 29 and 16. Joe, how can the Cavs get a game like, let alone we're not even talking about the series Because I think for all intents and purposes the series are over. How can they get a game when they didn't get into the bonus Joe until the last minute of the game? And that was because Josh Hart, I don't know, for some reason he wanted to challenge a three point shot. He ended up stepping up under the screws who wasn't able to land and so that was it. They was not. They were going to go an entire quarter, Joe, and. And not be in the bonus. I don't know if I've seen that. Maybe you. I'm sure you have been playing in the NBA for 17 years. But how do. How does. How does Cleveland summons it up and. And.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

And.

[Uncle Joe]

And. And get a game?

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

I'm not sure they can. Okay, Ocho, I'm gonna keep it 100 with y' all tonight. Be very transparent. Listen, I think from. From. From game one, it was so demoralizing, bro, to lose that game, being up 22 with six minutes, seven minutes left on the clock. And then, you know, I kind of gave him the benefit of the doubt. I gave the Cavs the benefit of the doubt. I'm like, well, listen, maybe when they get home, you know, they'll play with a little more sense of urgency. They'll play a lot harder. They'll feed off their home crowd, and you got your role players, the others who we always talk about, you know, they'll come to play. They'll play a lot better. But, man, the lack of energy and effort that I seen from the Cavs today, bro, to start the game. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying, like, you want to try to hit first, you know, especially when you at home, bro, and see if you can break their will, but, man, they just. They have no resistance on none. Like, I agree with you, for you not to get into the penalty, that means you just have a lack of aggressiveness, bro. You're not aggressive.

[Uncle Joe]

You.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

It's not. It's not do or die for you. You know what I mean? They didn't. That's not what they play like to me. I mean, they just had no energy, no effort. And the Knicks seem like they were the more desperate team, which I'm sure they are, because they've been in this situation before, and knowing that the Knicks are trying to get to the NBA Finals, which I think they will do, they. They. It's like they understood what was at stake. We got a team down. Oh, two. Let's see if we can put. You know, put them away. And I think they just came in and they wanted it more than the Cavs in their own building, bro.

[Uncle Joe]

It sure seemed that way. I was thinking a lot like you were thinking. I said, okay, that crowd has got. They. They were amped up, you know, Kelsey and his. In. His fiance, Taylor Swift was there.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

The.

[Uncle Joe]

The crowd was hyped. He was getting the crowd hype. But at the end of the day, I mean, you come out and now you down nine one, you down nine two. That's not the way you want to start. You want to get the crowd in the game and try to keep them in the game. And it really. I mean, the only time they could get in the game, guys, is when they would mount a comeback to cut the lead to six.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Right, Right.

[Uncle Joe]

There was never a situation where they had a lead where they're up. They were always down. And I'm like, I'm looking at them like, I, I don't get it. I don't know why he keeps putting Wade in the starting lineup. 17 minutes, no points, one field goal. I mean, one field goal attempt, you might as well go ahead and put Screws or Merrill in the starting lineup.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

At least they're a viable option. You need that. They're playing right now, they're playing four on five.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Need that threat.

[Uncle Joe]

And, and it's. I don't get it. And, and, and, and, man, I don't know what's going on with Donovan Mitchell. I don't. I mean, nine of 21. Yeah, he got 23 point, like he had 23 points. What do you expect? Hell, he took him 21 shots to get it.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

What. And Joe, help me understand what's going on with his field, with his free throws.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

I don't know. Two for six is so uncharacteristic of him because as a two guard, he's such a great shooter. And I mean, I don't know, man, I don't know, but his free throws,

[Uncle Joe]

his, his percentage has kind of been going down. Give me what he's shooting in, in this, in against the Knicks from the free throw line. Oo, yeah. I mean, you get OG21, you got. Cat got 13. Hart got 12. Mel Bridges got 22. Mel Bridges since those first three games of the Hawks, since the games four through six and what he. The next series and what he's done now, he's been playing unbelievable basketball. And this is, this is, this is the Brunson that we expect to see.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

10 of 19, 10 of 12. Ultra, ultra aggressive. Still getting his guys involved. Plus 15, everybody was, you know, plus 15. Josh Hart was plus three. Carl Anthony Towns plus 23, OG plus 11. And Landry Shamon is just coming in just this unconscious. He's just unconscious.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

And look, y' all gotta give my Hawks some credit, man. At least we won two damn games. They sweat. Hold on, hold on. They swept through Philly and the damn. About to sweep Through Cleveland, man. Come on, man. Get outta here with all that, bro.

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

Hey, hey, hey, Joe, as. As much as you, you won't want that credit. We. We not gonna give it to you, you hater.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

You hater.

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

I'm not a hater. Listen, I'm not hating. I'm just saying we're not gonna give it to you. I'm not sure what's wrong with the calves, Joe and Unc, especially in the game like this. Oh, you're already down too old, right? You. If. If anything, you want to come out when it's a. When it's a fight, and sometimes the person, you know, you think he can whoop you. You always want to throw that first punch. Yeah, you always get that first punch off first.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Like, get off.

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

Yeah, you got to get off first just in case. You ready? That's exactly what this game is. That's exactly what the series. It was demoralizing. Once they were able to come back from down 22 with six minutes left to go. That took everything out yourselves.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

But think about it. Damn.

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

From.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

From a competitive standpoint, Argan Ocho, you gotta at least compete, bro. Like, it's just too many. It's just too many empty possessions on the defensive end to where it's just like, oh, yeah, go ahead, y'. All. You get that layup, man. Yeah, yeah. We ain't tripping. We ain't tripping. Like, come on, bro, this is the playoff.

[Uncle Joe]

Ain't nobody trying to close no door behind them. Ain't nobody closing the door, Joe. They leaving the door wide open. Guys getting lay up, OG LG to the side, Mikhail Bridges to the side. Brunson to the side. I'm like, bro, ain't nobody gonna close the damn door.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Come on, man. Come on, man. Come on, man. That's what I'm saying.

[Uncle Joe]

Operating. Give the Knicks credit. They are playing the guy. They're making shots. A lot of those shots. I mean, I'm looking at OG but you can't go out there if OG at the three point line, you can't go out there with your hand down.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah, they got.

[Uncle Joe]

I mean, they got. Guys can make shots now.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

The likelihood of you putting somebody on the court. There are a few teams that have players that you're not even worried about them making a shot from the three. But the Knicks, all five of their guys alive from the three point line. You can't walk out there with your damn hand down, man.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Listen, I like what Mike Brown has done with the Knicks because he has made it to Where a Cat is a part of the offense. He may not take the most damn shots, but he gonna get a lot of touches. And as a big man, as long as they get some touches here and there, bro, you keep them happy. They'll play hard as I don't know what for you, you know what I mean? And I think by him playing through Cat, it turns Brunson into some like an Iverson type, you know what I mean? To where he can come off these down picks, then come off the, the, the. The. The dribble handoffs and things that. So it makes them. It makes them so much dangerous. And when you got Bridges and OG and Josh Hart. Josh Hart won your game the last game scoring 26 points. Yeah, I, I didn't expect for him to do that again. But if you look at his stat line, bro, 12 points, nine rebounds, five assists, four steals, bro, that's somebody who playing hard, you know what I mean? Like, he's, he's always going to be able to affect the game, put his stamp on the game. So he's always going to be a plus for them. I just feel like the Knicks have found something obviously that's going to probably more than likely get them to the finals. And by playing through Cat, bro, it just makes him so much more of a dangerous team because he spreads the floor. Yeah, he ain't doing a whole lot of doggish dirty work down there, but he's playing. He's playing the right way. A high assist game, seven assists. He's been probably leading him assisting this post season, if I ain't mistaken. And that makes him just much of a dangerous team. But to Cleveland, come on, man, to be at home. And when you get people to come in your building, bro, Travis Kelsey and his wife, Taylor Swift. Like, I don't know about y', all, but when I was playing here in Atlanta or. Or any other place in, In New York, like when we get celebs come to the game, it just kind of give you an extra little umph, you know what I mean? Like, yes, you know, you. You want to put on a great performance, and even if you don't make shots, hell, the least thing you can do is compete at the highest level, bro. Play hard. That's it.

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

Now, I was saying they didn't even look like they not being up to watch as great as. I mean, this is just my mindset and I think about some of the narratives that have surrounded Donovan Mitchell, some of the narratives that have surrounded James Harden in the postseason to come out To a game like this already down to, oh, there's no way in hell, Joe. I'm not all over the place, man. I'm not all over the place. It just look as if they didn't want to be out there. I mean, they playing basketball, Joe, but it don't look like they playing basketball. And I mean that in the most respectful way possible.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

No resistance.

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

The energy is different.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

When you're watching both of these teams here, you playing home. Hey, you got home point advantage. There's no reason it should look the way it looked tonight.

[Uncle Joe]

No, I think the thing is, is that they're expecting somebody to come here and lay down and see what happened is in that game seven. You saw what happened with Detroit, right? The first five minutes the game was over. Yeah, that ain't what the Knicks are. The Knicks gonna battle you. One thing about them, they're going to battle you because they got battlers on the court. You look at OG look at his background. You look at Josh Hart, a guy seemingly like that. Nobody, he like, man, don't nobody want me. He's found a home to let him do a little bit of everything. He doesn't have to be great at anything, but he is really, really good at a lot of things. He's gonna die on the floor. He's gonna. He's going to rebound. He can, hey, you put it. Hey, they try to run zone, you put it. Flash him to the top and he'll find the open guy. He can score the points. You say, you know what? Everybody else could possibly hurt us. You can't. And in game three, guess what, in game two, guess what he did. He goes 26 points, have a career high. So he does a lot of little things really, really well. And you don't have to ask him to do that because that's in his DNA. Yeah, he's going to play hard.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

OG Is what OG Is, you know, he's gonna defend. He can rebound. Hey, he can make a. And now he's getting ultra, ultra aggressive. He only took 10 shots. The man took 10 shots and got 21 points.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

He been efficient like a mug, like for the past couple. You know, he didn't play a whole lot in that Philly series, but, hell, against my Hawks here, he barely missed. He barely missed. OG has been great. I like what they doing with Landry Shamon, you know, when him. He been giving them great minutes. He's a great complimentary piece to Brunson and Towns and Bridges and OG Them. I just think they. They they kind of got it figured out, fellas, you know, to be honest, I, I know we, we talk a lot about my house because we had that. That bad game six, but ever since then, man, them boys ain't been playing no games, man. It's teams outside of game one from Cleveland. They hadn't been close.

[Uncle Joe]

Nope.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Games haven't been close.

[Uncle Joe]

They broke their wheel, Joe.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

They did, bro.

[Uncle Joe]

They broke their will. And if you think about it, Landry Shamrot has played so well in game one. Normally, Jordan Clarkson.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Would get Major Alvarado. This is like, nah, nah. Ever since Jordan Clarkson came in there. I mean, excuse me. Shammy came in, in that game four and knocked down those threes and kind of kept it going in that overtime. He's been coming in and he can't miss.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, you look at him.

[Uncle Joe]

He was what, four or five from the three point line tonight? 14 points.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, but there will come a time the Knicks will need Jordan Clarkson. I just think in this series, Shaming is such a great catch and shoot guy. I ain't saying Jordan Clarkson can't catch and shoot, but he got. He more. He more. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And right now we ain't got time for that. We got a good thing going. We need you to catch a shoot, you know, we need you to catch a shoe. And Shammy is playing great off these guys, bro. He plays great within himself. Don't do too much. The man went 4 for 5 and 4 for 5 from 3 like he. That's. That's hot.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You think about the other night? What was three for three?

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

I think the biggest thing is though, Joe, look at the defense that he's playing. Landry Shamrock is really not known as a defender, but even he's played outstanding defense. And when you got a guy that's knocking down Cholo you, well, he's known to shoot the ball. Okay, that's a given. But, oh, now he gonna defend. And it's amazing when guys get a little run, they see a couple of shots go in. Now all of a sudden they do that old Duke. They hit the floor like, let's go.

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

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[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

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[Uncle Joe]

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[Uncle Joe]

yeah, from three guys.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Mobley had five, Mitchell had five, Harden had five. So you had 16 turnovers. 15 of them came from three guys. I'm looking at Donovan Mitchell. Donovan Mitchell got a guy wide open in the corner. Why the hell. He tried to thread the ball right there in the middle of the court. He gets tilt. Guess what lead to a fast break. And then he looked to the bench. Don't look over here. If I was the coach, I'd have flipped him off. Hey, hey, yo. I'm like, bro, you got a guy wide open on the. It was. As a matter of fact, it was Mobley. I said, you got Mobley wide open at the three. And you try that, Pat.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, I know.

[Uncle Joe]

I just. I don't know where they go chat. I don't. I don't know where they go from here. Cause the. The. They broke. The Knicks broke their spirit. I still believe. I still believe that he should have called a timeout. He should have called two timeouts to try to break their rhythm, to try to give your guys a chance to regroup. Come tell them something. Guys. We're two minutes from home. Get us home. Two minutes and we a. Two minutes and we snatch home court from these guys. We can do it. We were down. We were down to Detroit and we came back and won that series.

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

Tonight was horrible, huh? Especially from. From behind, behind the three. I mean, it was bad.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

I mean, Listen, you look at New York, bro, they shot 55, 50, 56% from the field. I mean, man, we talked about. We talk about this all the time, okay? So you can't win no damn game, man, letting no team shoot no 56 from the field, bro.

[Uncle Joe]

Hell no.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

I'm telling you. Listen, you look at the. You look at the San Antonio and Thunder series, you see how physical it is, and his body's hitting the ground every. Almost every damn play, man. That's how you got to play, bro. Like, you got to let them know you there. You know what I mean? I just like, for Cleveland being at home, like, damn, the series could be tied one one, you know, coming into game three, like, for me, I just felt that the Cavs will come out with just a little more sense of urgency, guys. You know what I mean?

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

You.

[Uncle Joe]

You.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

You. You ha. You. I mean, you have to. I mean, right. Right now. Hell, why would you. If I'm the Cavs, what you gonna do? Game four? No, you ain't trying to go back to New York for no damn five for game five, man, please.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Josh Hart and what you call him Say, man. Man, we get us a couple of episodes of our podcast tape while they bull driving. We go, hey, hey, O. Joe. And we'll get a couple of episodes. Cause you know, we ain't gonna be able to tape nothing. We get to the NBA Finals. So we go ahead and knock this thing out Monday.

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Knowing that the spurs at okc, they got to go. At least they got to go back. They got to go back to okc, so we could go ahead and knock out two of the episodes that'll hold us over.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, they. They. Not only can they knock out some episodes, but, boy, they better have some security down there in New York if them boys win Monday just to be in the finals. Like, the whole. You gotta think. You gotta think. The Timber. I mean, not Timberwol. The Thunder and the spurs, they probably gonna go. They probably gonna go. It might go six, seven games. So my thing is. Damn, bro. In the west, they. They. They so beat up. I just seen today that AJ Mitchell gonna be out. So it's like the Knicks gonna. They gonna be well rested, you know, coming into the finals, bro. You know, I. I just think this is a great opportunity for the Knicks. Knicks fans and Knicks culture, but they still got a lot of work to do.

[Uncle Joe]

I mean, Mobley, one for six from three. Harden, one from seven from three. Mitchell, three from 10 from three. I mean, my three best players, M. Turno was they shot five of 23 from the three point line. Oo. Donald Mitchell is shooting 69 from the free throw line in this series.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

I don't know what's that about.

[Uncle Joe]

I don't either. I, I have no idea. And considering that he played so well in the. And he's a. Look, that's not to take away from him. That's not to take away. But at some point in time, bro, you, you, you, you leaving us, you leaving a lot to be desired.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Your postseason play based on the regular season resume that you built for yourself. Nobody. No, I'm telling you, nobody, nobody care about that, bro. As you're going to have to deliver in the post season because all the greats have had to do it. And if you want to be considered one of those great players, you're going to have to have moments in the post season and right now, far too many times now. Congratulations. This is your first time getting to a conference finals. Hey, kudos for that. But bro, I mean if you're going a. And I guess that's what Joe and Ocho you hear people say, man, if I'm going to lose, I'd rather not even go.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, you hear that a lot.

[Uncle Joe]

You know about super bowl by the NBA Finals, about the World Series, man, if I'm going to lose, I'd rather not even go. Well, if you're gonna give us these kind of horse poop performances, right. Why would you go and shut it home?

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah. You know, when I, when I look at it, I try to sympathize. What's up? I try to sympathize for Cleveland because they played two game sevens. And if y' all want me to be honest, they do. They look tired, bro. They, they look exhausted out there. Like when you can't, when you can't put forth the effort, you know, I know it's been a long series, guys not moving the same. You know, you don't see, you know what it is. It's like James and Donovan, they don't really look like they having fun. And it's hard to play the game as much as we are professionals. And we, and we also know that this is our job, bro. You can't take the fun out of the game. I don't give a damn what sport you playing. You still gotta come out.

[Uncle Joe]

The Knicks beat that out. They didn't take it out the mix. Beat the fun out of.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Well, I'm just saying it's, it's very noticeable when you watch it. You know what I mean, they, they all keep these stale facial expressions and typically, you know, you know, when you got it going or when you feeling good, bro, you just got a little extra bounce in your step. And I just didn't see that tonight from the Cows, being that they was at home for game three, bro, it's like they, I feel like they think this over with.

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

They threw the towel in, Uncle Joe. Yeah, they threw the towel in. I mean, you could tell by their play how inefficient everybody is. Some of the things that, that, that they do. Donovan Mitchell, you know, being 69, you know, from the free throw line, it's just everything is uncharacteristic of what they actually do. The narrative that have always been surrounding James Harden and goddamn Donovan Mitchell, you would have hoped this, you know, this off season, this playoff series. Not just this series, but in general in the playoffs, you know, and you think about them making it to the conference finals for them, is this, is this a wasted season?

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

No, I wouldn't say, I wouldn't say it's a wasted season.

[Uncle Joe]

But Joe, the problem that you're running into, what they're going to run into, is that at what expense do I keep this back court together? Okay, I resigned. Donovan. Big buck, max dollars. I resigned. Let's just say for the sake of argument and you know, we're having a healthy discussion here. I resigned. James Harden, three years, 30 million. Bevy Mobile is making 35 to 40 million. For what?

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

O.

[Uncle Joe]

They're not better than, I mean, they got past Detroit, but are they better than the Knicks? No, Boston's going to come back next year. Boston's coming back.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Orlando will be better next year than they were this year. So now what, what, what do we do? What are we doing here?

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

They, they gotta address that small forward position. Yeah, like.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, I thought we got it covered.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

No, how would deep with Wade.

[Uncle Joe]

No, but I'm saying. Hold on. Address it.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

How.

[Uncle Joe]

So you want me to have, you want me to have a 30 million dollar point guard, a 55, 60 million dollar two guard, right. A $40 million power forward, a $25 million center. And how much you think I should be able to invest in a, A, a small forward?

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

I don't know, $500? You, you might, you might, you might have to go into the luxury tax if you want to win. You say you want to win, don't you?

[Uncle Joe]

They go to. Look, boy, I wish I might go to luxury tax for that.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Well, listen, you got to get you a small forward or somebody who who can compliment these guys, bro? Somebody who can make shots. Somebody who can. You know, you, bro. The east from the first three, four teams in the Eastern Conference. I mean, I ain't even talking about the Cavs, but I assume Detroit is going to get better. Like you say, Boston will be better. We saying the Magic will be better. Hell, we said. We've been saying that for the past couple years. But they still got a chance, man. They just. They probably a piece of. They probably a piece or two away from continuing. I don't know if you bring. I don't know what you're gonna do, but you gotta pay Donovan. I don't get you. You gotta pay him max dollars. You can't let him go.

[Uncle Joe]

But if. But when you think about it, when you really think, when you really break it down, who've been able to compliment Donovan? Who's been able to compliment Harden? When we really look. When we really look at it. I mean, get. Get past it. Who's been able to compliment those guys? He needs the ball. Mitch needs the ball. It's almost like. Okay, okay, my turn. Okay, Joe, your turn. Okay, Ocho, your turn. That's how Mobley, Mitch and Harden, that's seemingly how they play. When you watch them, it don't seem any flow. Okay, I got the ball. And Donovan, get the ball over, lay up, step back three. Every mold to get the ball, he gonna put it on the floor, spin over one of the shoulders. That ain't no offense.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

It ain't, bro.

[Uncle Joe]

That's your. Your turn. My turn. My turn.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah. They gotta figure it out, though, Uncle Ocho. I mean, here. You make it to the Eastern Conference finals. Yeah, I mean, there's. There's some good that can come out of this, but the just being lethargic, no energy. I mean, damn, man, I. I don't know how you compete with that.

[Uncle Joe]

I don't know how you. I don't. I don't know how either. I don't. And it was. It was. It was a pathetic performance today. I. I'd be interested to hear what these guys are saying in the locker room about today's performance. Yeah, we just didn't have the energy, did that, blah, blah. But I ain't trying to hear all that. Guess what y' all had to say. Y' all had the same 20, 36 hour rest period that the Knicks had.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

And they had to travel.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

So we're not gonna listen to y' all talk about. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. Everybody. Everybody playing every other Day. Now, every team, Spurs, Thunder, Knicks, Cavs, everybody's other day. Yeah. Everybody has a responsibility to do whatever you need to do to get your body ready to perform at a very high level when you take your ass on that court. And right now, my guys, the guys that I'm counting on, ain't giving me. Ain't giving. Ain't giving me a day's work.

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

Maybe that might be exactly what you. You do hear from them, obviously you want everybody, you know, to have some type of true serum, you know, an opportunity to tell the truth and have accountability. Joe, for the way they played. You know, not just tonight. Hell, the first game, okay, you was fighting. They came back. Okay, Game two, no fighting. Some. Somebody. If you're gonna throw the punch, you got to at least land one.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

This is the biggest face. This is the biggest fight for y' all all season long, and you don't even put the first punch.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hold on, hold on. So you mean, tell me after game one where you squandered away this big ass lead, 22 points, and you don't take no accountability? You think they've been take some accountability after game three?

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

Hell no.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

No, that ain't happening, bro. I don't even see that. I'm just keeping 100. Like, I felt they should have took accountability after game one. They didn't do it. What? They just. They gonna come out and say, man, the Knicks were better than us tonight, period, point blank. They ain't. They ain't gonna say, oh, man, we. We should have came out with more energy or we should have done this. They're not gonna do that, bro. You're right. They're not gonna do that.

[Uncle Joe]

Two things can be true. You look there, they squandered that. But the Knicks had to be in position because we've seen situations where the game was right there for the taking. Ocho and Joe.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

We say the game was right there for the taking. They just didn't take it. Okay? The game was there for the taken and the Knicks took it. Yeah, but, bro, you cannot in a playoff game when you got. James Harden is a top 75 player. Donovan Mitchell is all NBA. Both of those guys are all NBA. Evan Mobile is a defensive player of the year. You cannot be up 22 and lose that game.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

You can't. Look, if, if, if one, two of those. Two of those three guys go down, I can say, look, guys, they had to come in. They had to play with their backups. But with those guys on the court.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

And it Seemed like, like it's. Sometimes you call a timeout just. Sometimes players want a coach to call a timeout just to reassure them that it's okay.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Right.

[Uncle Joe]

You know, like, Like, Like a. Like a child. Sometimes the child just want to hear the parents say, you okay? You okay? Get up. And to let that go, and just to let it go to my play through it. See, Phil Jackson started that bull job. Let him play through it.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Nah. Help. Nah. I don't trust y'. All. Come here. Time out.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah. Phil has some hall of Famers here.

[Uncle Joe]

Exactly. That's the thing. And then everybody tries to adopt that style, but without having that, those players, you ain't got Scotty, you ain't got Mike, you ain't got Kobe, you ain't got Shaq.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Nope.

[Uncle Joe]

So when you don't have that, you can't coach like that. Hell, it's easy for me to sit there on the sideline. Yeah. I don't know.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Look, hey, hey, I'm giving the Knicks, they. They the credit that they deserve, though. Big body Brunson, he getting what he want out there, bro. He getting with where, when and what. And that's what I'm saying. Like, you know, you know, Donovan and James, they. They not. They not defenders. But, hell, at some point, that Wade, that D. Wade, I mean, what he gonna do? You know what I mean? Like, so he. He pretty much had his way in this series. He kind of. He took what the defense gave. They trapped him a couple games. He gave it up high assist games. But he can score the ball, bro. He can get to his spots. And ain't nothing these guys can do. I mean, they. They been at his mercy. Hell, Philly been at his mercy. He had my Hawks at his mercy. And I mean, he just. He doing what he want with these calves, bro. I'm. I'mma be honest with you. I'm. I'm. I'm excited for the Knicks. Huh?

[Uncle Joe]

But the thing is, Joe, is that when you got a Bronson and you don't have no defenders, they don't have any defenders.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Right.

[Uncle Joe]

Mitch is not a defender. Donovan is not a defender. Wade is not a defender. Mobley. Mobley can defend. Jared Allen is more of a help, but they're more help defenders that all own ball defenders. So they don't really have anybody. And it's not to say you got your hands full trying to deal with this kid one on one anyway.

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

But when you don't got any, first of all, you don't have enough defenders. And you Ain't got nobody willing to step up and take the. And want to want the opportunity.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

There you go.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey. They quick to be running. Brussels got the ball. They pointing over there. Can't get him. They all you do. Watch them. No, no, no, no, no. Run your ass over there. He got something for you.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

They won't take the challenge.

[Uncle Joe]

No, I don't want. They don't want that. Oh, Joe. Oh, Joe. They don't want the challenge. You.

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

Hey, all you need to know right there, Joe.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Well, listen, at this point, at this point in the series, you have no choice. Man, listen, what I told y', all, bro. We are. We know all y' all plays. Y' all know all our damn plays. Amano. Amano. Now, Will versus Will, man. You gotta take the challenge. You have a prime opportunity here. Donovan and James. Donovan. This is first conference finals. James making it back to the conference finals, man, to. To be able to get to. Just to get a Knicks to run for they damn money. We don't want no damn sweet, man.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Joe, I tell you what I saw. W. You saw it? Oh, Mitch came down there. He waved Wade off. He got it. He got Bronson. Bronson hit his ass up. You back on him. I said, well, damn, that was quick. You know, he weighed a man off the first time. Bronson hit his ass up.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Go ahead.

[Uncle Joe]

Get it back.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Right, right, right. Hey, but listen. Hey, see, my thing is, when you got a guy like that who's had it going this whole entire playoffs, he's one of the best closers in this league. He's a hell of a player. He's an all star. He's probably gonna be an all NBA player. Yep. Bro, you. You some way, somehow, you gotta find a way to make that man uncomfortable, bro. And just sitting back on your heels waiting for him to come to you.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Ain't gonna get it catching him, ain't it?

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hell, no.

[Uncle Joe]

You got to pressure him. You got to pound. You got to have somebody that can. Like. Like they do. Like they do. Like, you look at the Spurs. You look at. Okay, so you look at teams that they pick up and they pound. They hound you from. From. From the time you inbound the ball. Yeah. They try to deny you the inbound.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

You get the ball. Crowds half court with 18 seconds.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

So now, hey, I mean, excuse me. Which, you know, six seconds and ran out the clock. So now you got 18 seconds to get your offense, and you just cross half court.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

They ain't trying to give you nothing. Up tempo. Hell, how many fast break points? Did the Cleveland have any fast break points? I'm trying to figure they had. They might have had the same number of France breakpoints that you and I had, Joe.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

No, no, no, no.

[Uncle Joe]

They had four. They had four more than you and I. Wow.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Wow, wow. Hey, man, that ain't gonna get it. You got. Hey, you know what? You gotta have a guy. And this is just from. From my observation throughout this playoffs, you gotta have a guy, bro, who can pick up fool and wear a guy down, you know, And I. I know y' all keep hearing me talk about my Hawks, but you look at Dyson Daniels, who was pesty, you know, with Brunson, outside of that hell, he.

[Uncle Joe]

He went.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

He ran through the sixes. He ran. He running through these dudes. So it's like, you got to come with some resistance. Now, what I will tell you, they make it to these finals, he gonna have plenty of guys who gonna be willing to pick his ass up full court and make him work.

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

Hey, depending on what team it is, it don't matter what team.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Don't matter what team.

[Uncle Joe]

Hell, these guys, all these guys, all they got. Hey, the thing is, the difference is, is that the Thunder got about four or five guys that'll pick your ass up and hound you from start to finish. Yeah, they go Lou Dort, they go Caruso, they got Case and Wallace. J Dub will see if he's able to go. He might not be able to go. They'll throw Isaiah Joe in there with your ass. They got four to five guys that will pick you up. And when one get tired, raise your hand, we'll send another one in. It's like a relay.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Dort might take that responsibility. He'll pass that thing off to Caruso. Caruso will pass it off to Case of Wallace, Casey Wallace to hand it off to Isaiah Joe. And guess what? We'll come right back around.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah. They weigh you down, bro. They weigh you down. And so it's going to be interesting. It's going to be interesting. Obviously, you know, the only got to get out of this series against the spurs, but it's going to be interesting because outside of Brunson, they don't really have no ball handlers like Josh Harden. Bridges, these guys aren't ball handlers. They slashers, three and D guys, you know, they play hard, they compete at the highest level. But, man, if you make somebody else bring this ball up, we don't know what that's gonna look like, right?

[Uncle Joe]

I mean, oh, what you wanna say,

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

Ocho, I can't wait. I mean, this series over, huh? And Joe, it is, bro. Listen, unless the NBA gotta pay bills.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Come on now, come on.

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

Yeah, I don't mean to go there, Joe. I'm just telling you now, you know, sometimes you got to give. Let's extend it a little bit, you know, get some of that sponsorship money, you know? You know, let some extend some of that commercial money here.

[Uncle Joe]

Ocho, we can extend it if the games were close, if we got a one or four. How we, how we go? How are we going to get the game? You see how they beat. Beat the hell out? Hell, I can't. I can't even do anything to help you.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. It's just tough, bro. It's tough.

[Uncle Joe]

But.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

But to me it don't. I mean, James had 19. Five and five.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Six turnovers, bro. They just. To me, they just ain't got enough when it comes to playing against the. The upper echelon teams, meaning the Knicks and hell, whoever gonna come out of this other series, they ain't got enough to compete. That's why I was so conflicted with the Detroit, because I'm like, damn, I, I like, I want to see Cleveland play the Knicks because they got a little more offensive firepower, right? But I kind of want Detroit because I know they gonna, at least they gonna compete and play hard here.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, they're gonna compete to the end.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah, they gonna compete to the end. So to have the Cavs in this situation, bro, and on the brink of being swept at home, I mean, Damn.

[Uncle Joe]

So Knicks 121, Cavaliers 108. The five Knick starters and double figures. Landry Shammy came off the bench and goes four or five from the three point line. He has 14, OG21, CAT13, Josh Hart, 12, Mikhail Bridges, 22 and Jalen Brunson. Say, you know what? You know, I didn't score. I wasn't that. I didn't score the ball. Y' all made me into a passer. Now, y' all went back because y' all didn't like the way I got everybody involved. So y' all went back to playing me head up. Y' all see what I'm capable of. Y' all know me, my work.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Last four, last three, four years, y' all haven't seen my work enough.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Oh, we Picasso.

[Uncle Joe]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

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[Uncle Joe]

you gotta think about that like 8, 5. When he spread out, the rim ain't number 10ft, so you gotta put that so high above the rim. When he on defense, You be on

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

the floor this high and he gotta go.

[Uncle Joe]

That feel like a statue. It's so hard to beat them when he on the floor just because of his defense.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, everybody, next game, what y' all think?

[Uncle Joe]

Man, I was so happy that got kicked out.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

He.

[Uncle Joe]

He looked at n that one, made it mad as he took that person. I hope they suspend that. I'm going to email that right now. Look at that. Hey, man, y' all gotta go review, buddy baby. Hilarious. Shout it. Shout out.

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

Hey, that's exactly what you said. Yeah, exactly what you said. And if. And if there's any player who will tell it exactly like it is, it's not going to be politically correct. It's that goddamn amp boy.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Yep.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

That's why you gotta love him. Gotta love him. You gotta love his honesty. Because he only reiterated what we all been talking about the whole damn playoffs. Wimby just too damn much even just on. Just by him being out there on defense. Look, you ain't. And the fact that they are. The spurs already got guards that. That sit down in the chair and really guard. Okay, let's say you do give them your best one, two and you get by them. Hell, look what you running into that man letting you know. Look, you gotta alter all your damn shots that you normally just. You gotta throw that thing way old damn gold. Now that's why. Look, when we talk about Nas Reed, I said, damn, Nas. I seen Nas throw a running damn hook. I ain't never seen that Man,

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I

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

ain't never seen that.

[Uncle Joe]

Man, she don't.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Damn running hook. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, he's nine foot tall. Eight foot tall. No, he probably about nine and a half feet tall. Would he stand up. Up under the rib and don't let him jump?

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah, you can't see it.

[Uncle Joe]

You can't even see the rim. You have a couple of floaters and stuff like that, but you're not anticipating. Because think about it. You go from a regular guy playing defense, now all of a sudden, his ass back there.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

The shot I just shot the previous time down the court, I can't shoot that same, same shot now, cuz your big ass in here.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Right, right.

[Uncle Joe]

And then, and then Joe, you talk about his defense. Now. Imagine him giving you 25, 30, 35, 40 with his defense and giving you 40

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

then. Listen, I watched him the game yesterday. Cause, you know, Wendy handled the ball a lot, so. Hell, if he out there on the perimeter handling the other guys are smalls, they not gonna be in the paint. They had five guys around the perimeter, and Wimby was at the top handling that thing like going into his bag.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, you.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

That's rare. You never, you never see that, bro. It's always at least one guy inside the three. They had five guys outside of three. That's, that's, that's, that's what's making. That's what makes the spurs so much danger. I mean, hell, we all know, you know we'll be a cheat code, bro.

[Uncle Joe]

But I think they need to. I think they need to start him down lower, Joe, because he said I got to make my guys better. How can you make the guys better? You ain't got nobody that can post up with you, right?

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

I mean, that, that's not Castle's game. That's not Harper's game. That's not Versaille. That's not Champagne's game. So in other words, all y' all got. They only really got one guy that can post. That's Wimby.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

I'm not running down plays for Luke Cornet.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Nah, I. I think that Hornet nothing.

[Uncle Joe]

No.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, hey. I think the physicality that Hardenstein is bringing, ever since game one, keeping a body on and being physical with him, you know, Wimby is starting to try to offset by taking him out in the deep waters. You know what I mean? Like, okay, you think you want to play rough inside here or when I bring your ass out here in this deep water and drown you? Yeah. I want to see what you do. You Know now he out there playing tweening. Cause Hartenstein can't guard that out there, Uncle Ocho.

[Uncle Joe]

Right.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

You know, now only thing Hartenstein can do is hope that he miss. But if he's making them shots, that's what, that's what takes his game to a whole nother level. I think the resistance or the physicality that the thumbnail bringing, that Hardenstein is bringing is starting to kind of wear on him a little bit. That's why he's been out there on the perimeter so so damn much he's talking about he got to make his guys better. You're right. He gonna have to establish position, you know, in that on. In the mid post, low post to where they have to double.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, right. And so now I can get guys dive into the basket. Ain't nobody, man, you out past the three board line, ain't nobody diving to no damn basket. You way out there and getting in the ball. You got to be on the block and have somebody. When the double team come. Now you get somebody in the to die to the basketball. Now you got somebody. Okay. You get the ball at the nail and now you got somebody in the dunker spot.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

But other than that, no. If all five guys at the three point line, Joe, I ain't really worried about it.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

No sir. No sir.

[Uncle Joe]

I need somebody to put. You need somebody because what. Okay, see OKC going to put pressure on that rim.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Shay go. Hey, Shay is looking attack edges. He's looking to get on the edge. And if you don't settle, if you don't build a wall, he going a. You better grill it because hey, he's slippery.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Oh yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Get on the edge and he go. Next thing you know he gonna throw his body like come on man. That wasn't a foul. But damn, it looked like a foul.

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

Hey look, you can't tell the difference in real time either, Joe.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

What's that?

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

I mean, I mean, you know the, the foul baiting sometime, you know, in, in full time, in real time. As fast as those players are playing. I think people watching from home, you really don't understand how fast and boys moving when you watch it from home. You know, they slow that you slow it down on tv. Copy. And you can see the file clear as day. But when they moving fast as hell.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

It's.

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

Yeah, it's different.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, hey. And I, I think Wimby, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

He's.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

He has to establish, you know, somewhere down in the low close or the block area and kind of spray out to These guys. So y' all can get second chance opportunity. They don't get no second chance opportunities with him standing his ass out there at the three or playing on the perimeter, you know, because if he the biggest guy and he got the best handle and he, you know, going into his bag once that shot go up, hell, if he don't make it, they. They don't get no second chance points. You know what I mean? We off to the races.

[Uncle Joe]

Because think about it, Joe. Plus also when he's so far out, somebody shoot a shot, they got it. They put a body on him, he can't get the ball.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

So the. The further you away from the basket, the harder it is for the rebound.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

And he's gonna have. He's gonna have to. Hey, he's gonna have to sit that. That, that post up. He gonna have to sit it much closer to the basket, Joe, if I'm okay. And guys gonna have to put pressure on the rim.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, guys.

[Uncle Joe]

And the number one thing they need to do, they gotta stop turning the damn ball over, Joe.

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

You ain't got no chance. You're not. You're not even coming close to beating them. You dodged a bullet in game one. You like. Cause Castle had what, nine, ten turnovers in game one, and you won the game. Did you actually think that's a recipe? He had a. Okay, my bad. He had 11 in game one.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Joe, do you really think that is a recipe to beat the Thunder? You got so lucky when he walked in and hit a Steph Curry shot like he did. You remember Steph Curry walked in there and he hit that shot.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Going crazy.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

He hit one of those shots and it took a lot out of him. But if you think you're gonna turn the ball over 18, 20 plus times, it'd be okay. See you. Not because they're gonna get some easy buckets on your ass.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

They thrive. They thrive off them turnovers.

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

Hey, Uncle Joe. Another. Another thing too, right? Are you saying when we need. Need to establish down there in the post, you know that double that double gonna come fast.

[Uncle Joe]

So that's what I want.

[Co-host (possibly 'O')]

Hey, now the onus is on everybody else. Even with that, Even with that slashing. Maybe they don't get that up easy. You're gonna have to be able to hit them shots from outside too.

[Uncle Joe]

Yes, yes.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

I. I think if you okc. You don't double him right away. I wouldn't double them right away. I'm making. He had to make a couple on me, Uncle Ocho for me to send a double team, okay. Damn. If he done all right, we don't really want him to get him rolling too good. Only Cat, as soon as he catch it, let's bring the double. But for the initial, they do a great job. But just physicality, bro, just. Just keeping him off the block, you know, like, like when, when, when BP was on here the other day. We talk about doing your work early. As soon as he come across half court, if he come inside this three point line, it's resistance the whole time. So by the time he catch the ball, hell, we didn't. Took some of his damn legs. He ain't got too much energy, effort to give. Just keeping it 100, you know what I mean? And that's. I think what okc, that's their game plan. Keep a body on his ass at all times.

[Uncle Joe]

They are. That's why he only had four rebounds now. Plus he ain't. He don't really chase no rebounds because if you think about it, there have been times he had the rebound right there and the guard come take it right out his hands. He like, go ahead and get it. I'm like, man, look here, if y' all see me down here, don't y' all come down here and get.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, for real. That's how Bigs be though, huh?

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, look, you'll have Big tell you. They'll tell you doing a timeout or a halftime after the game. Hey, man, stay your ass from down here messing my rebounds now, you know, hey, hey, them Big don't be playing by their rebound. But you right. Wimby ain't got that, like, stinginess to him, that greediness to him on the defense end where he want to grab every rebound. That will come, though, that will come as long as he keep. The longer he keeps playing and he starts to understand, you know, he wants to be an mvp. He's always going to be in the conversation. So he'll be able to. Yeah, to be able to average 25 plus points. Hell, double figures and rebounders, you always. He gonna lead the league in blocks for the next five, seven damn years. So he'll have a. He'll have a. He'll definitely have an opportunity to be an MVP conversation every year. And I think that that would definitely be the difference.

[Uncle Joe]

I. I also think that the thing is, Joe, the Spurs second unit is going to have to do a better job of keeping the OKC second unit under contained. They have to do a better job. They can't let Jay they can't let J Will get that. They can't let McCain get that. They can't let Caruso do. They cannot.

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[Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson]

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