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Nightcap Hour 1: Lakers lose to the Magic on the road, Doc Rivers sounds off about playoff wins, & Unc & Ocho respond to Asante Samuel!
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KU Guard is available by prescription only. Hello ladies and gentlemen and thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap, brought to you by Boost Mobile. Visit your nearest Boost Mobile store or boost mobile.com to join their nationwide 5G network today. Y'all know me. I'm your favorite unc. Shannon Sharp, number 85 from Liberty City, the Route Runner extraordinaire, the Bingo Ring of Fame honoree, the Pro Bowler, the All Pro. That's Chad oo Cinco Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit that like button and go subscribe to the Nightcal podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you. Thank you so much for your support, your loyal support and your continued support. Because without you, there can be no us. And we greatly, greatly appreciate your continued support. Guys. Make sure you go check out Shave by La Portier. We do have it in stock. Thank you all the cities that showed up and showed out for me. 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Friday, June 13 Baltimore Saturday, June 14 Philadelphia Saturday, July 12 Charlotte Saturday, July 19 Los Angeles Friday, July 25 Miami Saturday, July 26 New York City Friday, August 15 Chicago, Illinois Saturday, August 16 Detroit Tickets go on sale Wednesday at 11:00am Eastern and can also be found on Shayshay Media.com Tour. Again, tickets go on sale Wednesday at 11am Eastern. They can also be found on shayshaymedia.com Tour those are our stops again. O show. We start off Friday, June 13th in Baltimore. Head to Philly on the 14th. July 12th we're in Charlotte. July 19th we're in Los Angeles. Friday, July 25th we're in Miami. Saturday, July 26th, we're in New York. Friday, August 15th Chicago Saturday, August 16th Detroit. Those are the stops on the not for Safe Work tour. Nsfwt. I wonder what that stood for. Hey, what the hell that mean? But it's not safe. It's not safe. It's not safe. Ocho. So there it is, y'all. Those are the the tour dates, stops, cities that we're going to be joining that we're going to be going to. So hold on. Get your tickets. Thank you for your support. The Lakers fall to the Magic 109. 98. The Lakers win three with losses in a row. They lost seven out of their last 10 ball games. They lost to Boston, Brooklyn, Milwaukee, Denver. Then they won three straight, beat Phoenix, San Antonio, Denver. Then they lost another three straight Milwaukee, Chicago and Orlando. The Lakers bench was outscored 30 to 14, which was an issue. The Lakers got to do a better job of guarding. Watch this game from start to finish. They're just not guarding. They're just not guarding. Now look, they're about a year or two away. Orlando Paulo Banchero and Franz Wagner.
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Yeah.
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Oh, they legit. Oh, they, they legit. Legit. Yeah, they legit, legit. Ban Caro had 30, Wagner had 32 and then they got black, came up the bench and gave him 17. But they are legit. The Lakers gotta do a better job of defending. It's really that simple. They didn't shoot the ball well. They shot about 46%. They shot 28 free throws. The free throw was pretty close, 10 or 32 from the three point line. The difference was Orlando shot down there 50% from the floor. You're not going to beat a team if you allow them to shoot 50% from the floor. But everything was really close. I mean, Orlando had 43 rebounds, 12 offensive, the Lakers had 39, 11 offensives. But the only difference I could really see, Ocho, was that third quarter got them again every time. The Lakers had a two point lead at the half and then they get outscored in the third quarter by about 14, 16 and it's the third quarter again. JJ's gonna have to push some different buttons because they come out lackadaisical and they let the team go on the run and it's hard to reattach yourself to them when they go, when they get a streak like that. But give Orlando credit. They won their. And as a matter of fact, they, they broke, they stopped Cleveland, they went on the road. Cleveland had a 16, 17 game win streak. They went into their building and they won. So, so they're not the record. They are better than their record would indicate. But the problem was Van Carroll got hurt at one point in time, Wagner got hurt at one point in time. So they haven't been able to play extended period of time together. But this is a good team. Don't let their record fool you. But the Lakers have to be disappointed. They gotta play better than fourth spot. Right now they're two and a half, I think two and a half games out of the second spot. But tonight, again, it was defense. They gave up 146 Saturday night and they gave up 118 tonight. And they had been playing really, really good defense up until that point.
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Okay, now with everything that you said they're in fourth, right? They lost tonight. You understand the problems and the woes that the Lakers are having, the inconsistencies they want to run. You're understanding their woes coming out of halftime in the third Quarter allowing teams always go on the run. Now think about everything you just said. I want your honest answer and your honest opinion. Is it still Lakers in five?
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Lakers in five. Look, that's fixable. Look, that's fixable, Ocho. That's something like, look, guys, we've got to do a better job of defending. Yes, sir. And you can't. Guys can't get broken down off the first dribble.
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Right.
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You get broken down at the first dribble. Now you compromise because help's coming.
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Yeah.
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And now they swing the ball. They're getting wide open threes or they're getting uncontested layups. So you can't get broken down off the first dribble. They got. I scored 34 to 18 in the third quarter. I mean, there's no. There in no way should a Lakers team that got Luka Doncic and LeBron James on the court only score 18 points in a quarter.
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Yeah.
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And if you only score 18, you better make sure they don't score more than 22. Because if you do that, and I get it, the Lakers, I think they played what, seven games at one point in time, had seven games in 10 days. But we don't do excuses here. You either win or you lose. It's a very short on sports menu at my restaurant. Only thing I got on my menu is dubs and ales. That's all you can order. Right. You can't order excuses because I don't serve it. So the Lakers are going to have to find a way to play better in the third quarter. They're going to have to find a better way to find a better way to defend because this is not. This is not acceptable. This is not acceptable. I mean, look at all these minuses. Dorian Finney, Smith minus 6, LeBron minus 17, Jackson Hayes minus 10, Luca minus 9, Austin Reeves minus 7. Every starter was minus. Hell, as a matter of fact, everybody was minus. That's not good enough. You can't. You can't win. You can't win like that. There's no way around it. You can't win like that. And when you take Jackson Hayes out, Braun is basically playing the five too small of a lineup. Yeah, I mean, maybe. Maybe the last two, three minutes, four minutes of a ball game. You can run this lineup, but not when they go in bank. Not when they go in Bank Carroll, not when they go in Wendell Carter, not when they go in Franz Wagner. You're too small.
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Yeah.
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You're just too small. Reddick admitted the Lakers look Tired tonight. We weren't able to sustain the level of intensity we started the game with. They did. They scored 30 in the first quarter, 30 in the second quarter, 60. They had a two point lead. 60 to 58 and a half. But then again, out of the third quarter, here come Orlando. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
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And there you go, same quarter every time. Needed to play some different music at the half, huh?
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They need to do something because this ain't getting it done. This ain't getting it done. I mean, and what's their record? So that's 50, that's 61. That's 71 games. They only got 11 games left, Ocho. Yeah, you supposed to be gearing up. You supposed to be playing your best ball heading into the playoffs. Not, you know, maybe they left a little bit on look because at one point they were like 18 and 3.
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Right.
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Had won a bunch of games. You don't want to be sliding going into the playoffs. You want to be playing your best ball heading into the playoffs. But this performance was unacceptable. And Dalton connect only played five minutes. But I think a lot of that has to do with his look, his defense, intensity. I mean he needs to understand, I mean he just gets lost. It's like. And I could tell jj, JJ doesn't like mental mistakes. Yeah, that irks him because he's a perfectionist and he wants guys like guys. We went over this. That's why I couldn't coach. We went over this. The guy comes, okay, you stay on that guy. Don't try to fight over the top and lead the guy on a wide open three. So Lakers got some problems. Nothing they can't solve. They got what, three more games on this road trip. I think they got a four game road trip before they turn back to the Crip.
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I know that hurt, that, that. I know, I know that. Those road trips back to back Indiana.
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Yeah, yeah. So they got, they got, they got a way. They got, they got, they got three more games on the road, Ocho, before they turn return home. They need to play better than what they played tonight or what they definitely what they played against the Bulls, but they picked right up where they left off. Not playing defense. They started with great intensity in the first half but. But that waned in the third quarter and that was really the undoing of them. AD Anthony Davis returns after 18 games absence versus the net. In his return, 12 points, six rebound, three assists, six or nine field goals in 27 minutes. He look up, look, I don't know how many. I don't know how many players the Lakers would have traded AD for, but you got to trade him for Luca.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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There ain't a whole lot of players a team won't trade. Is reported that they called Minnesota by ant man? No, it's reported they called Milwaukee about Giannis. No, they're not getting yoke. I'm trying to think, can you name another player you probably couldn't get? I wouldn't break up JT and jb. Right. But other than that, everybody your ass up out of here.
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Everybody's a green light.
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Everybody else is a green light. Everybody else is a green light. So you can't feel bad. And hey, y'all know what I think of AD I love AD I like him and Brian together because he was the last line of defense he could pick. He could guard pretty much one through five. He was tremendous in the picket roll. Excellent, excellent help. Side defense could give you 25 and 12 on a nightly basis. But 32 year old A.D. versus 26 year old Luca.
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Yeah. And then obviously injury prone A.D. you know, which. Which has always been an issue of his not being able to stay up, but understanding what he gives you once he's on the court. But the problem is, is you make the trade, it happens. He comes out, he gives you the AD you used to. But not enough consistency to be able to stay on the court to make the fans feel like, okay, you know what, we let Luka go, but we still got AD he's still able to come here and produce. He's not Luka, you know, by any means, but he's still a quality player that can put butts in the seats and be productive night in and night out. When he's on the court, you see him come back and have a good game tonight, you know, before, until he gets his legs up underneath him, gets acclimated to the speed of the game and gets himself back in rhythm, you know. So still decent tonight though.
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Yeah, that's one of the reasons Ocho. Yeah. When he stays healthy. We've seen him last year, I think he played like 70 plus games, which is the most games he's played in a very long time. We know what 80 can do. He's as skilled as anybody. He can shoot the three. Now he's not shooting 40%, but he got the three ball in his repertoire. Mid range game, can post it, can put it on the floor, can finish at the rim, above the rim. You file him, he's going to go to the free throw line, he's going to make 80 plus percent of his free throws. So offensively and we know he's one of the two or three best defensive players in all of basketball. We're not even. That's not even up for debate. But like you said, his injury history made it real easy. Plus his age made it real easy for the Lakers to say, you know what, Luka for ad. Yeah plus we got another decade of Luka and we need superstar in order to attract. Cause you look at that when you look at they court side and you look at everybody else courtside, it's different. Only the Knicks can rival it.
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Yeah, it's different.
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It's different and it's always been different and it's always going to be different. And that's what you need to attract those stars to come out and watch Kizaluka.
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Dark river says he doesn't get enough credit for winning three games in a playoff series where he blew three one leads. No one tells the real story, and I'm fine with that. It's unfair in some ways. I don't get enough credit for winning those three games. I get credit for losing. I always say, what if we had lost to Houston in six? No one cares. One thing that I'm proud of is that we've never been swept. All coaches have been swept in the playoffs. My team achieved a lot of them overachieved, and I'm proud of that. Did he say this out loud?
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Yeah, I'm not sure.
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Hold on. He said this so somebody can write it.
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Is this really his quote? I mean, are we happy about. Are we happy about losing? But the fact that we didn't get swept, is that. Is that satisfying? Is this some type of moral victory or something? I'm just curious.
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It's more embarrassing that you had a 31 lead and you couldn't win another game.
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Hey, I just want to know how you feel about it.
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But they know how? Come on, man, Doc Come on, Doc. You know what, I wouldn't even say nothing. I said, yeah, hey, that's on me. Yes, I've had three, one lead in five or six series and we weren't able to get it done. I've got to do a better job of putting my players in position so we can get it done. I would have never ever said I don't get enough credit for winning three games because it's not a best of five. Doc, you came in and there used to be a best of five. As a matter of fact, I'm old enough to remember that used to be a best of three. Yes, they were a best of three. Cause you had a best of three. A best of five. The Eastern Western Conference was the best of seven. So was the NBA Finals. So Doc, if you had won three games and a best of five, you got a ton of credit. Yeah, but in a seven game series it's the first of four, not the first of three. Doc said that. Doc said that out loud.
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I'm just, you know, also I just want to ask you, do you really think this is his quote? Is it from a reliable source?
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Yes, him. He's talking. Yes, it's in quotes. Yeah, that's what he said. It's the Mark Spears. He said no one tells the real story and I'm fine with that. It's unfair in some ways I don't get enough credit for getting those three wins. You don't get credit for winning games, you get credit for winning series. Right. If it's nca, you get credit for.
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Winning games one in one shot.
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But not in a series, not where it takes four. Come on Doc, Doc, Doc is too much of a student of the game. Doc has too much basketball high level IQ to ever say something like this to have it printed. Lord have mercy.
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Uh oh.
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How ocho that'd be like, that would be the equivalent of DQ said, hey, I don't get enough credit for having a 28, 3 lead on the, on, on the Patriots. Oh, I don't get enough credit for that because I did have a lead. You know what, how many coaches ever had a 25 point lead in the Super Bowl? What good is that? You lost.
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Yeah, yeah, you're right.
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That's the same thing when, when the Houston had that big lead against Buffalo.
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Yeah, a lead.
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You talking about a lead not winning the game, but we had a lead. It's even more embarrassing that in the first to four you won three games and you lost the series. Still.
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I don't know I need more context to the conversation. Cause the way it's being worded, it doesn't sound like. Come on, Doc, would you really say something like that? Would you really want credit for winning?
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Because he has the most three. He has the most blown three one leads in NBA history. He's saying, y'all not giving me credit for winning three games.
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Nah. And that ain't. That ain't the way it work.
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Who get credit?
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That ain't the way it work, though. Ain't nothing. Ain't nothing you do in life.
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He had against The Celtics in 23, a 32 lead. Lost 2020 against the Nuggets in the bubble. 31 lead. Lost 20 15, the Rockets. He was at the Clippers at the time. Lost 2012 against the Heat, 32 lead. Lost 2010 against the Lakers, 3 2. Lost. 2009 against the Magic, 32 loss. 2003. Pistons 31 lost.
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My goodness. Listen.
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What are we supposed to do?
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The difficulties of being a coach. The difficulties of being a head coach at the highest level.
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Here's the question. The question Mark Spears asked him. How do you deal with all the criticism you've received from the media and on social media from Lou. In three one series leads four times, Doc, quote was a direct response to what he was asked by Mark J. Spears.
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Yeah.
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How do you feel with all the criticism you receive from the media and on social media? So I guess ain't nobody else criticizing, huh? You don't think other coaches talk about. Damn, Doc. You don't think players say, so what you think? I get it. Blaming the media, right? Blame. So blame social media. So. But we're the only ones. Ain't no player. As a matter of fact, what happened when he lost the Clippers 31 lead? I guess management blamed him, too. Yeah, they got him up out of there.
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Yeah.
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Okay, Philly, what did they do? They got him up out of there. So I guess it ain't just the media and social media.
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So I have. I have a question.
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It's his bosses.
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So hold on, hold on, hold on now. Hold on now. I have a question. I think now the opportunities given when it comes in the NFL is a little bit different, as opposed to the NBA. Now, he continues to get jobs for a reason.
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Exactly.
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So you can't say, yeah, he's a great coach. He's a great coach. He has to be great at something that he does because there's a reason you continue to have all these jobs despite the losses that are happening at important times at the wrong times. And they're letting you go, but you get a job somewhere else right away, like it's nothing. So there's something special about him.
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Right.
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I don't like that answer though.
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Hell no.
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Nobody likes that answer. If he could take it back. If he can read the quote now with a little bit of clarity and understanding what you mean. Let me finish. I guarantee you here we hear worded different. He worded differently. Because if I'm telling you, see how you in your right state of mind are sitting here reading it and then getting better context on what the question. Yeah, hey.
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Yeah, yeah, let's put up. Because we want to put some more comments. Because you say he was taking out of context. He had.
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Because once you told me what the question was, that gave me a better understanding. It was a direct question. So the answer and the quote was literally direct based on, you know, sometimes, you know, sometimes they leave stuff out.
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Okay, how about this here? It is what it is. It's a part of my legacy. There's nothing I can do about it. I got a team that was an eight seed up three one. That's coaching. That's not bad coaching. There are several eight seeds that have actually won. The Denver Nuggets was the first eight seed. They beat the Seattle Super Songs, who was the number one seed. But we'll talk about that later. The one with the Clippers is the only one that got away. But people don't realize that Chris Paul was running on one leg in 2015 with the Clippers and we also the underdog in that series. When you think about it, Houston had home court, not us. So let me get. It was good enough. You got. You beat them twice on their home court to get a three. To get a three one lead.
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Right?
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So he was on one leg. So one leg got you a three one lead. One leg couldn't get you another win. Okay, okay, how about this? We didn't have home court. Well, it goes road to your first two games at the. If you're the underdog, that means the first two games at their home. So that means in order for you to get a 31 lead, you had to have won one game on the court.
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Exactly.
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It's on your resume, Doc. I think the best thing could have said, hey, look, it's a part of. It's, it's a part of me. I wish maybe I could have done something different, right? Call different plays, put players in different situations. But to say I don't get enough credit for winning three games when it's A four game series when it's a seven game series and it's the first of four, not the first of three. He got to miss me with that one. He got to miss me with that one. So sorry, Doc, we can't agree on that one. Oh, Lord have mercy. I was hoping we'd have to do this. Asante. Samuel saw the clips of us debating him in prime and he responded to us. Ocho. That's your problem, pimp. You're also brainwashed at Shannon Sharpe. I'm not worried about what everyone perceives to be true. Like yourself. I stand on facts. You have yet to talk about the facts. You can easily be manipulated, just like everyone has because of marketing. I bet you won't debate me big facts. Oh, Shannon Sharp safety has a short. Safety has the short middle. Nobody's in the deep but me and the receiver. You don't know the truth, pimp. You just talking out your with no facts, right? Let's talk. Or you scared like everyone else, bro?
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Hey, I didn't know he answers. You like, okay, I like that. I like that, huh? Hey, y'all. Hey, y'all. Hey, listen, we can have a club Shay Shay, right? Listen to me now. Stay with me. You have a Club Shay Shay DV edition. A good conversation, PowerPoint presentation style, film up there to support each of your opinions and facts that you might have.
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It ain't no opinion he's not timed. What are we debating?
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Let me finish, baby. Let me finish. Listen, I'm giving you the ultimate content right now. Something that's never been done before. A format that's never been done before. Two players. Actually three, because you're a part of it too. Three players. You got prime and Sonny Samuels and you. You one that loves a breakdown film. He's also one that loves to break down film. Now just picture this. You talking about you think Cat Williams did a whole bunch of numbers. What you think you and son sitting down, you know, going over. Okay, you want to prove it? Prove it. Die in the sky.
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Don't lie.
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I'm just. I'm just throwing the idea out there because the format has never been done before.
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I've given. I've given Coach time and myself have given Tonante Samuel more tension since he's been retired than he's ever gotten. After tonight, I'm done with this. There's nothing to debate.
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My bad. I'm not.
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There's nobody. There's no one gonna say. He's in the realm of time. He's in the realm of Darrell Rebus. He's in the realm of Rod Woodson or Charles Woodson or Daryl Green or Emile Blunt. He's not. I don't give a damn what he says about the film. He played. He played more. He played more. Look, bro, you had an unbelievable career. Congratulations. You're just not tying. You're not tying, you're not reavus, You're. Hold on. Did he make an all decade team? Because time made all decade and he's one of the 100 greatest players of all time. Let's see his resume. Let's see his body of work. I complimented him. I said time don't believe in waste emotion. The T step worked well for Asante. I gave him a compliment. See his resume. So he didn't make all decade. 4 time Pro Bowler, one time All Pro. How many times, how many Pro Bowls did Ty made? How many? All team? Yeah. Oh, same number of Super Bowls, but one guy was a defensive player of the year. One guy as a defensive back swung the balance of power. How many DBs can say swung the balance of power? He go to one team to keep the other team from going. He goes to the other team and keep that team from going, bruh. You had an unbelievable career. You went to a Pro bowl, you an All Pro. You're not tying and there's no and. That's not a knock. It's okay. It's okay. But I don't know why you getting mad at me. I tell you what, Find. Go find the gm, go find the coach. Go find a player that says Asante Samuel is the equivalent or better than time. That's all you got to do. Hell, your son won't say you better than time and he a junior. Just be real, man. You coming out of the wrong one. You.
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What you doing? Where you going?
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I got that.
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What's that?
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I don't know what you're talking about, bro. I don't know what you're talking about. I complimented you. I said you had an outstanding career. I say the T step served you well. I just said you weren't tired. That's okay. If somebody says, you know what, Shannon? You had an unbelievable career, Shannon. You went to eight Pro Bowls, You're a first team all Pro, you're an all decade player, you in the hall of Fame. But you ain't Gronk, okay? You ain't Travis Kelsey, okay? But you ain't gonna go no other tight end. Let me talk about you, ain't that. If you want to say Gronk if you want to say Kelsey, Shannon, you. Not that I ain't finna fight you, but you ain't gonna go no more. You ain't gonna go no more. Because when I left every record that a Titan could have, I had it, catch it. Yards, touchdown, most yards of the game.
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Hey, so hold on. I just. Now that. Now that you mentioned that when it comes, when we factor in the numbers and statistics, does that play any factor in Asante's case or. It doesn't matter. Just curious.
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He had more pass breakups and fewer interceptions. How many pick sixes did he have? All I know is when I left the game, I had every record that a tight end could possibly have. Ain't nobody had them but me. Now, they done came along and broke him. Gonzo broke him. And Gaze did this and Gronk and this and that. But I don't know why he mad at me. I gave him a compliment. I said he had an outstanding career. I said the T step for him served him well.
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I like the convo. I like the dialogue. I would love especially for. Not the casual fan, but for people that are fans of the game. I wish we could dive a little bit more. I'm obviously not here on the show. I'm just saying.
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I'm just asking you find the general manager, find the head coach, find the receiver, because he talking about. He talking like he was that. I guarantee you, when you find somebody that say he a top 10, a top 10 cornerback. If we go back and study history, top 10 corner. So we got time. We got Reavis, we got Mel Blunt, we got Rod Wilson, we got Darrell Green, we got Aniels William, we got Male Blunt. Okay, that's seven right there. Where we. Where are we going to put him in the list of all time in the history of the NFL, is he cracking the top 10? That's your. I mean, that's your homeboy. He from Florida. I want you to tell me, you.
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Tell me, where would you put him?
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No, I'm asking you. I just named seven guys. Which one of those seven guys you are you putting him in front of?
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Huh? You heard me?
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Y'all listening?
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I'm asking you.
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Oh, I forgot about Champ Bailey. You putting him in front of Champ?
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You ain't answered the question.
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Are you putting him in front of Champ?
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You hear me?
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I'm listening. Yeah.
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Where would you put him? What would you rank him?
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No, I asked you.
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No, I ain't asking you the question. Yes, now I'm asking you. Where do you rank him? Based on what?
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You. I'm asking this man. I just asked this man a simple question. I gave him seven, eight names. He talking about, where would I rank it? Yeah, I asked you.
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Yeah, because listen, go ahead.
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Oh, Joe, I get it. You gonna probably bump into him. Hold on, hold on, hold on. But at some point in time.
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Hey, hold on. It don't matter who I bump into this.
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Okay? Well, you gotta be pushing the guys that I mentioned.
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He addressed you. Well, why you asking me the question? He addresses you, so I'm asking you, where do you rank him?
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I already said it. Are you putting. He's not in front of time. He's not in front of Rebus. He's not in front of Rod Wilson. He's not in front of Charles Wilson. He's not in front of Mel Blunt. He's not in front of Neil Williams. He's not in front of a Champ Bailey. That's seven.
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That's seven guys, okay? Not the state.
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Now you. Who is he in front of? Is he top 10 all time in the history? Dick Night Train Lane, Emil Tunnel is in.
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Hey, hey.
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I'm just asking. He got all these facts. Who is he in front of? I tell you what. Who is he in front of the list that I just named?
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You name. You name all you name all time. Like, all time.
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He talking like he all time great. That's the problem. Nobody got a problem with him saying he's not good. We're talking about. He talking about. You talking about all time great. The guy that I list, he's at the front of the line timing Mel Blunt, defensive player of the year. Charles Wilson, defensive player of the year. Rod Wilson, defensive player of the year. There have been a lot of guys, but number two, one is at the front of the line. Yeah, he talking like he in that group. There are group. Look, we go into a room in the hall of Fame, okay? We go into a room, we all into a room. But there are certain guys at certain tables. We in the room, but we not at that table. He not even in the room. He on the outside. Hey, y'all know I played, right? Yeah, but this for Big Dog. Keep it a stack. So I will chat y'all tell me or the guys that I listen who he better than? I ain't mentioned Pat P. I ain't mentioned Mitchell Sherman yet. I just. I just gave y'all a couple of names. I want you to tell me who he better than than the list I listed. Who y'all putting him in front of Chat. Y'all put him in front of Deion. Y'all put him in front of Revis. Y'all put him in front of Charles Woodson. Rod Woodson. Y'all put him in front of male blood. Who are y'all putting? Champ Bailey. Who are y'all putting him in front of? Asante Samuel. Who?
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Hold on. I'm. I'm trying to. I'm trying to see. I'm trying to see what this chat talking about.
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No, I would. No, I want you to see what the chat talking about. You played against it. What you talking about? You played against Charles Wilson. You played against Pat P. You played against Sherm.
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Where are you putting him in front of? I ain't buying play against Sherm. But you know, you know, I did. I did. I did my thing everywhere I went. You hear me? It was like. It was like Halloween. If I knock on the door, I'm coming to get some candy.
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I'm asking you a simple question. Of the guys that were mentioned, who is he in front of?
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And I wouldn't say in front of because you mentioned, you know, the greats. But he has the numbers to be in the room. I know that much. And you base everything off numbers. When you talk about. Let me finish before you say anything. When you talk about mj in comparison to Michael Jordan, when it comes to debates in any other sport, we always bring up the numbers, but all of a sudden the numbers are ignored. When it comes to. Now talking about the two in comparison.
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All those guys.
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Hold on.
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This dude got four Pro Bowls.
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Listen to me, I'm not finished. Okay, but again, now we understand. But when we do a comparison based on greatness, you know, we do everything. I'll tell you what, we do everything with numbers.
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You had a former coach, your former coach had three Pro Bowls and 62 picks. You taking Dick LeBeau. Oh, hey, what you know about numbers?
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Hey, what you know about lebon? What you know about.
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Hey, you just told me numbers.
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Yeah, I mean, listen, that's what everything is based off of, right? Yeah.
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No. Okay. Numbers. Okay. Let's go All Pros. Let's go Pro Bowls. Let's go all decade. Let's go Defensive Player of the Year.
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Right, Right.
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That's part of numbers also. Just not picks.
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Okay, okay, okay.
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I got you. See, I look at it like this. If you get six picks and you give up eight touchdowns, what have you done?
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Okay, I see what you're doing. I got it. I like that.
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I like that. I thought the job of a corner is to take away More than you give up.
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That's a great combo. That's a great.
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I'm just waiting on this man to tell me who is he Better than. Than the list I renamed. Now we're gonna have. Guess what? What? Let's have the conversation. Hopefully, Lord, spare both of our lives, we're able to have a conversation another 10 to 15 years.
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We will. We will.
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Now I'm gonna. I'm gonna need jacket on his back because all the guys that I've been to now. Hey, Jalen Ramsey is going to be coming up. Richard Sherman's going to be coming up. Pat P. Is going to be coming up. You see what he trying to do? Oh, it's all about marketing, bro. You played on the Patriots. Ty Law played on the Patriots. Ty Long got a red jacket and a gold jacket. So don't do that bull job about marketing. If you. Who was on TV more than the Patriots? Ocho.
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Oh, during. During that. During that 20 year run.
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During that time. Oh, so now it's marketing time? Ain't no marketing, bro. Yeah, he marketed himself to know how to parlay that. But that man on the field. You better go check them tapes. Hey, that's either you can or you can.
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That's a great conversation. Boy, that's a good one there. Oh, it's a good one.
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Willie Brown, Mike Haynes. Mike Haynes got nine, like, nine Pro Bowls. You better go check.
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That's a great combo. Oh, let me grab me a water, man.
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Asante. Go ahead, bro. Asante. You had a great career, bro. You a good player. You just said all I said. You weren't tied and you had to get personal. I don't know why. I mean, if you wanted to come on Nightcap to get your name out there, you could have did that.
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Hey, hey, hey, hey, listen. That is a great combo, bruh. You hear me? It's a great combo.
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What's a great combo?
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This one. I like this. I just. Obviously it's not me as the individual, but I'm just saying that's why I.
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Was telling you, in his prime, is he better than Stephon Gilmore at some point? Hey, Chad, don't y'all want Ocho to chime in instead of just talking about this was a great combo.
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Hold on, I'm thinking about you telling me.
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You telling. This is Nightcap funkin Ocho.
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Hold on, hold on, hold on.
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We don't listen to each other. We go back and forth.
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I've been chiming in. I've been chiming in all night. I'm Listening to you. But listen.
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He listening to me.
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He addressed Shannon Sharp. He sent a long message to Shannon Sharp. So I'm just listening to what you have to say.
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Hold on. Where did he address Shannon Sharp? What was Shannon Sharp speaking on him on Nightcap. Nightcap. Uncle Ocho.
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Right? So it's your job to answer back.
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I get it, Chad. Y'all see, Ocho don't want to chime in. He from Florida. Ocho might bump into it. Y'all know me. I don't give a damn.
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And what does bumping in having to do anything.
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See, here's the problem. Here's the thing with Shannon Sharpe. Whatever Shannon Sharpe say on Nightcap, Shannon Sharpe, if he bumped into said player, Shannon Sharpe is mad enough to stand on that, bro. You not time. You not Charles Wilson. You not Rod Woodson. You not Darrell Revis. You not Mel Blunt. You not Mike Haynes. You not Daryl Green. You not facts. Now, of the 10 guys that I named, find a coach, find a receiver that says, Asante Samuel is better than any of those guys.
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See, in the way. The way. The way you make it sound. See, you being mean. Hey, you hear how you make it sound? You make it sound like Buddy was trash or something.
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I didn't say I'm just trash.
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I'm just saying the way you talking like you acting like we just sitting here talking about some old bum. We. I'm just curious, Ocho.
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Who can I say?
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Yeah, I mean. And listen, I play the game. Listen, I played the game. Wait, stay with me. Stay with me. Stay with me real quick. I played the game on the other side of the ball, so I know I played against Prime. I played against Zon. I have an understanding of both and how good they were. What they. Oh, hold on. Great as prime was and how good Zont was. So it's hard for me to sit here and say, you know, the. The way you doing. When I saw it with my own eyes, I understand how great prime is. But then I know what that young bull was doing as well when he was playing.
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All I said. I said he was good. I said he was a very good player, had an unbelievable career. Look how you said, use the text.
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I don't change.
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He used the technique. He used a technique that time doesn't approve of. Two things can be true.
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Yes, sir.
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Okay, some guys like to play press and open the gate.
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Yes, sir.
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Some guys like to press and put hands. Whatever technique works for you. But he was talking as if he was the equivalent because he posted his stats and time stats, saying, look at our stats.
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Right?
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So he's posting those stats as if he's the equivalent.
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Okay?
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And I said he's not. I didn't say he wasn't a good player. I said he went to Pro Bowls. I think he was an All Pro. I know he won Super Bowls in New England. That's what I said. He took offense that I didn't co sign him. I don't need no marketing. I don't need to co sign. I think everybody's known. I didn't have an opportunity to critique Tyne when he played, when he went back for those two years because he was mainly a safety and he didn't start the game. Okay, that's fine. But I've never had a problem critiquing any player I critique. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, you name a player. Ray Lewis, receivers. T o Randy. I've never had a problem critiquing because I'm basing it on my intimate knowledge of the game and film study. When I was at cbs, I would watch film. How many times when I was at CBS or Fox, when you ever heard a guy called talk about Shannon Sharp? Don't know what the hell he talking about.
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Nah, that ain't gonna happen.
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See what y'all trying to do? Well, you doing the same. That's not what I said. Nope, nope. I've never said. I've never seen. The difference is Skip tried to say I said I was better than Tom Brady. I said Tom Brady wasn't playing. Well. Why would I, as a tight end, compare myself to a.
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Okay, right, right, right, right.
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I would need to compare myself to Gronk, to Kelsey or a tight end. That's the only way you can get an equivalent. I said. I said, yeah, Asante had a great career. Pro Bowl, Super Bowls. Now, guy, like I said, you want to say, Shannon, you ain't Trav, you ain't Gronk, you right.
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You gotta live with that. Right?
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You right. You got me, right? You got me.
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But.
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I'm just confused. Hey, but look, bro, you. I gave how many. I gave you 15 minutes of fame. Fame that you never would have got had you not mentioned me or time. Enjoy it. Now. Go back to your solitary life. Nobody's gonna. When was the last. I tell you what, Ocho, when was the last time? Prior to last night, when was the last time you heard somebody mention Sante Samuel? Take your time. I'm gonna go get me. I'm gonna go. Give me some water. Take your time. Hey, Chat. Y'all keep on your interest.
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Hey, anyway, Chat. We back a little upset. He's a little upset. Other than that, it's a great conversation. I like it. I like the dialogue. I like the back and forth. I like players. Also. What we always talk about having a belief, having not only belief in what you can do and what you've already done and bringing it to the forefront. Bring it to the forefront and supporting what it is you've done in comparison to someone else who is also great. And that's okay. Now, a lot of people won't see it that way, as you can see, including them. But one thing I always do see is if you were bad at what you do, then I will always come out and say that. But I played against both, and I understand how good both were. I understand how great prime was, obviously catching him on the tail end of his career and obviously playing against Asante during his prime and understanding how good he was, how much of a student of the game he was. And what I'm not going to do is diminish what I was able to see for years while I was playing and understanding watching film, I'm here. And understanding how good he was and how savvy he was technically, you know, so it's different coming from someone that actually played on the opposite side and understand how good he was, you know, so it's hard to see, to say, oh, he's not. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I had to go against this. I had to go against that for years. So it's different. It's different, you know, especially. And a lot of. A lot of people in the chat, obviously some of the comments on Twitter, on X, whatever it may be, their feelings are always different as well, because it's based off who you know and what they've done. Hey, that was good.
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I just asked you a simple question.
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Which one?
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Prior to last night and today, when was the last time you heard somebody mention Asante Sanders?
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I'm supposed to know I'm. I'll be on Nightcap.
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Every time a tight end break a record. Who record? They sit in there. The most 150 yard game, the most lost this, the most that every Sunday in the NFL season on the tight end does something. Who name is up there? When they have them names. He just passed this one. Who name is also up there?
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Oo. Oo.
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Hey, don't worry about OO and Chad. All I try to do, I try to, you know, try to go back and forth, but Ocho, you know, Ocho's.
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Like, hey, we did go back and forth. That was. That was a good one, though. No, you. Well, you laughing. I'm saying, for real, that was a good one.
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I don't.
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That was a good one. That was a good one.
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No, hey, to each his own. I wish him the best. Wish him the best. Tom Brady admits tension had developed with Coach Belichick during the tenure, during the end of the quarterback's time with the Patriots. In the latest edition of his weekly newsletter. Yes, Brady has a newsletter. I didn't know that. Brady briefly spent some time talking about the split from the Patriots. First, Brady said he knew it was likely wouldn't end up finishing his career with the Patriots. His first thoughts about leaving the team happened two or three years before it actually happened. It was a creeping decision that lividly passive in back of my mind two or three years until March of 2020, when the whirlwind of a few days made me realize that the decision was coming sooner rather than later. After 20 years together, a natural tension had developed between where Coach Belichick and I were headed in our careers and where the Patriots were moving as a franchise. And it was kind of tension that could only be resolved by some kind of split or one of us reassessing our priorities.
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Right. I mean, we can see that from a mile away. Everybody saw it. Everybody saw it.
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Even though when that Seth Wickersheb article came out.
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Yeah.
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And they talk about the Jimmy G. Yeah. It's a matter of time.
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Well, listen, you understand that as a quarterback, why you think. Why you think Aaron Rodgers felt the way he did when they got. When they got Jordan Love? Why do you think Brett Favre felt the way they did when they got. When they got Aaron Rodgers? The writing was already on the wall. He understood that. Brady understood that. That's why he had to go upstairs and go to the higher up and ask, listen, I don't want this over my back. I don't want this over My shoulder. I'm not comparing the situation, but as a competitor, you, Brady, you shouldn't be worried about nothing that's coming in there at all because of the decisions that Bill Belichick wanted to make. As far as moving on, he was supposed to be your predecessor. Am I using predecessor in the right context?
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No.
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Damn.
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Predecessor mean he proceeded fuck well.
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Oh, my bad.
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He came after. What word I'm supposed to use?
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My. What?
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You talking about Jimmy G. Yeah, apparent.
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Okay, my bad, my bad. Hey, my bad. Chat. I'm using big. I'm using words. I don't even know what they mean. It sounded good, though.
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Yeah, it did. It.
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Hey, but anyway, you know, the competitive in him understanding that you. You on the tail and you're on the back end obviously, is. Listen, I want to be able to play freely. I want my mind free. I wanna. I don't want to be out here being hesitant, being gun shy, knowing that if I mess up, y'all gonna.
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Y'all.
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Y'all gonna start the whole. You know, it's only a matter of time before they start the rumors and the chance. We want Jimmy G and all that stuff. So I understand that. I want him gone. I don't even want him here. And I know that was a Robert Kraft decision. I know it was.
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What happened was, is that if you study the 49ers, for the most part, after 10 years, Coach Walsh, you look at Ronnie, you look at Roger Craig, you look at a lot of the guys, only they start. And so you start. You move off a guy. The thought process was Ocho. You move off a guy one year as opposed to one year later. Coach Belichick had studied the history and said, you know what? Guys start to taper off, and if we don't have that bridge, we're going to be like the Pittsburgh Steelers until they got Roethlisberger from Ted Bradshaw. We're going to be like the Miami Dolphins. We're going to be a lot like.
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Shannon Sharpe
A lot of these other teams.
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Unknown
The Bu. Excuse me. The. The Buffalo Bills, Jim Kelly, until they got Josh Allen. So if we don't start a succession plan now, successor, heir apparent, whatever you want to use the term. What Jimmy G. Was supposed to do. Coach Belichick says, what I've studied, what I've learned is teams wait too long to find the successor or the heir apparent to said great quarterback. I don't want to make that mistake. I want to have a guy in place, get him a couple years under his belt, push him out the door. The Guy steps in, right? That's what he wanted. But Tom was saying, hold on, ma'am, I'm going to the super bowl down there. Every other year, every second or third year, I'm still an MVP candidate, I'm still going to Pro Bowls. And you talk about I'm slipping. What are you watching? And when they redid Tom's contract and they didn't add years, they just took that bonus and gave it to him. I said, it's done. Go back and go back and look at. I said, it's done. I said, you're not coming back.
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I remember, I remember.
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He ain't coming back. He not coming back. But listen, and the grip. Because here's the thing, OJ when you have success, see, as long as you don't mind who gets the credit, you don't realize how successful you can be.
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There we go.
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It started to be a push and pull because everybody, because we talked about it all the time. Who deserves more credit, Belichick or Brady? Belichick or Brady? There is no way to definitively tell. Unless they left one left. If one leaves and wins without the other was another dude. There it is. Right. Tom leaves, wins the championship in his first year gone.
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Yes, sir.
- [67:04]
Okay, now, Coach Belichick, now you get a chance to answer. I ain't saying you gotta win one the next year, but you gotta win. But it went the other way. He got to the playoffs. Like, okay, maybe he got something, but then, boom, boom. He stepped off a cliff. Tom still played at an elite level.
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Yes, sir.
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He won the super bowl, got to the playoffs every year. There you have it.
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Yeah.
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The reason why the Patriots won was because of onew. Not the only reason, but now people was willing to give him more of the credit. Yeah.
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And. And also you have to understand when. When 1, 2 leaves. When he leaves out, leave New England. In order for Bill Patriots Robert Kraft to still have that continued success, you got to have the air apparent at the most important position on the field that touches the ball every play. You got to have one of those. Huh? You have to have one of those to compete. You got to.
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Yes.
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Now those some big shoes you got to fill, but it's. Boy, that's a tall task. Especially when you talk about filling the shoes of the greatest of all time.
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Yeah. But the thing was that I'm concerned about is that Coach Belichick had an up close and personal look at Tom and he know how motivated he was by the slightest of slights.
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Oh, yeah.
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You put the biggest slight on the world on this man. It wasn't that he was drafted in the sixth round. It wasn't that he had to start as a backup. Even after the greatness in which he had displayed for you for 20 years, you was willing to push him out. Can you imagine, Ocho? Yeah. 20 years of excellence. Six Super Bowls, all those appearances, nine appearances. And he said, you know what? We appreciate your services, but we think the guy that we got behind you is better.
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Yeah.
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So what do you think that was gonna do for Brady? If you think he was motivated by not being the first quarterback taken or one of the middle quarterbacks taken, he was taken in the sixth round. 199. You just put the biggest. You just put the biggest target on your back.
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Right? That was a good one.
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The volume.
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