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Ocho Cinco
The volume.
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Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
What you thinking?
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Ocho Cinco
Hey, listen, first off, I'm a skip, right? I'm gonna skip the beginning of the book and I'm gonna go to the last page of the book. Boy, the last few minutes of that game, the last three minutes of that game. LaMelo, LeBron. LaMelo. Miles Bridges, LeBron. But anyway, the first half, very rusty. Definitely. You could tell they coming off an all star break from both teams. Luke and LeBron early on in the game showed shades and what they could have been. But those two have been, could, can be, actually, you know, with those, with those fast break points, scores early in the game. Outside of that, it always comes down to Rui at the end of the game, you got to hit those free throws. You got to hit those free throws to give your team a chance to put your team in position to win the game. Where it doesn't come to LeBron having to make one of those last three point threes at the end of the game.
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Shannon Sharpe
Well, I'm looking at you, right? Um, it's going to take some getting you. It's going to take some getting used to LeBron and Luka playing together. Um, you know, both guys are at their best when they have the ball in their hands. And unfortunately, there's only one basketball and there's two of those great players. Um, and so it seems like, you know, nobody wants to step on anybody's toes. Ocho. Okay. Hey, Luka, you got, you gonna handle it? Hey, you do what you do, LeBron. You do what you do. But it's going to take a while. And I don't know if they're going to have enough, you know, enough time to figure it out during this season, but hopefully in the offseason next year they can get it together. But if you watch the last two minutes, the last two and a half minutes of this ball game, the Hornets, all they did, all they did was put Luke and pick and roll. Mellow ball. It doesn't matter. They tried, they tried to hedge it, they tried to double it. LaMelo give the ball up. He go get it back and he brings Luca Guy again. They put him in the pick and roll. And they got a wide, they got a couple of wide open threes and then LaMelo split. They ended up taking Luka out. They brought Vanderbilt in, but that makes him really small. So now they got no rim protection. LaMelo splits it, gets down, hits the floater, and basically that was the four point lead that they needed. LeBron ends up hitting a big three, but they have to foul. They go make both free throws and then LeBron missed two threes at the end. But Luke is going to have to get better in the pick and roll. They're going to have to do a better job. They seem to be in control of this ball game. And then I think they allowed the Hornets to go on a 20 to something, 21, 22 to one run. Yeah, that can't happen, right?
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Ocho Cinco
I got a question for you too now.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
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Ocho Cinco
You say both players, LeBron and Luka, both are comfortable liking to be on the ball. Luka tonight, to me look very uncomfortable out there.
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Shannon Sharpe
I, you know, he's not used to playing without. He's not used to playing without the ball in his hand.
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Ocho Cinco
Without the ball. So how long does it take or does LeBron understand that Luka likes to be on the ball? He's much more comfortable on the ball playing in rhythm like that, especially in transition, so.
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Shannon Sharpe
Well, LeBron. LeBron doesn't have a problem. LeBron is better at playing off the ball than Luka, although LeBron plays better with the ball in his hand, but he's still more comfortable than Luca playing off the ball. But at the end of the, at, at the end of the day, Ocho, they're gonna have to figure this out. And LeBron was like, okay, y'all do y'all thing and then all of a sudden the game starts getting out of hand. LeBron said, FDAs, give me the ball.
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Ocho Cinco
I got it.
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Shannon Sharpe
I mean, that's what it comes down to. Hey, F.D.S. y'all, I done gave y'all enough opportunities and. But that third quarter is what doomed them and the Lakers, that kind of been their bugaboo the last four or five years. The third quarter, they come out flat. They had a what, eight point lead? I think a seven, eight point lead to going into the half. And then they got get outscored 32 to 18 in the third quarter. And so JJ's gonna have to be do a Better job of getting those guys fired up. They can't come out their lap. Lackadaisical bull jiving around, because the next thing you know, a 13 point lead. They had a 13 point lead, Ocho. Yeah, in that third quarter. And now all of a sudden they end up going, basically they end up going down at, in the third start, the fourth, they're down, up, you know, up seven, had a lead as many as 13. And now you go down because you get outscore 32 to 4, 32 to 14.
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Ocho Cinco
It's. They spawn. Listen, the game of basketball is a game of run. It's a game of run. Most of the time when those runs actually do happen, you want to keep it as close as you can. You want to keep it as close as you can, but sometimes, listen, it gets away from you. It gets away from you, especially if you don't have a bench that can, that can score consistently and give you, and give you buckets when your starters aren't in there.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. And Luke is rusty right now. You can tell he's rusty five of 18, one of nine from the three. He's averaging what, 14, 15 points a game. I don't know if I've ever seen Luka play a stretch where he's averaged 15 points a game. He's due to have one of those games where he goes for 35, 40, 10 and 11. He's due one of those games. Austin Reeves getting kicked out didn't help because, you know, Austin, look, they got three guys that can really go get their own shot. LeBron, Luka and Austin Reeves. Everybody else is dependent. Give me a, put me in a situation, run a ball screen for me. Skip pass, you know, hammer pass, do something, pin down. Those three guys can go get their own shot. Okay? Luke is struggling. He's. He's rusty. Really. The only guy that could, that, that, that's playing was playing Decent. And LeBron didn't have it going early. It was like he's just letting it go. Because if you look at LeBron, what did LeBron have in the, like, I think he had ten and a half. I don't even know if he scored in the third quarter. Right. And, and so, you know, it's, it's.
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Ocho Cinco
Just, it's so funny, huh, how LeBron can pick and choose when to turn it on, and when he turns it on, he's efficient. When he wants to take a game over and say, you know what, like you, like you said in that, that, that, that fourth quarter, I think he had 16 in the fourth quarter.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yep.
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Ocho Cinco
And say, you know what? I got this. This. This is ridiculous.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yep. But then they did. Then they get. They get lax on defense, leave wide open threes.
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Ocho Cinco
Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
That's. That's their problem. It's always going to be their problem. They really don't have rim protection. I don't. I don't know. Look, I understand they needed a big. But it's hard for me to believe that Alex Lynn is a better big right now. Even at Dwight Howard's age of 39, it's hard for me to believe Alex Lynn. I'm not saying Alex. I'm not saying Dwight Howard is Orlando Dwight Howard. I'm not saying he's Houston Rock is Dwight Howard.
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Ocho Cinco
Huh?
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, he might be the Shane, but I have this.
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Ocho Cinco
Just think about this. Even though what you're saying about Dwight Howard being better at his age, has there ever been a scenario where a player who hasn't played. I'm not sure how long it's been since Dwight Howard's been out the league. Has there ever been a scenario like this where a certain position is needed, maybe be big, maybe forward, maybe be a point guard that hasn't played in a while and he's come back despite his age because he's better than what you have on your bench.
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Shannon Sharpe
Nah, it's hard when guys start, you know, start missing two a year. Two years. You know, I think last time. I'm trying to figure when the last time Dwight played, well, hell, he's up for the hall of Fame. So it's been a minute. Yeah, I mean, real talk, it's been a minute.
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Ocho Cinco
Right.
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Shannon Sharpe
But they don't. They don't really have any. They don't have any depth. Yeah, they miss AD but you tell me, you tell me if a. What team AD Own and somebody says they offer you Luka Doncic, that you're not going to move it. Y'all make it seem like the Lakers. Like the Lakers blew this. You talking a guy that's 25, that's. That's six years younger.
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Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
And less injured. Forget. Forget Luca being nicked at the start of this season, missing all the games that he's missed. I think this is the first time he's going to play fewer than 60 games in his NBA career. But y'all talk about. Y'all call him street clothes. Y'all call him always ding. Y'all caught. Now, all of a sudden, you Lakers have a little struggle. Y'all miss AD Y'all miss AD what team wouldn't trade. I mean there are a handful of teams that wouldn't trade their best player or their second best player for Luka Doncic. Right? Milwaukee probably wouldn't do it because it's reported that Milwaukee, they brought the trade to Milwaukee and Milwaukee said no, probably they wouldn't trade JT Foreign, they wouldn't trade Jokic, probably not gonna trade Shay. But everybody else gain everybody else's game.
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Ocho Cinco
Right? That's crazy.
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Shannon Sharpe
So, but it's a disappointing loss. These are, I mean if you try to make a, if you're trying to make a move, these are the games that you gotta, that you're gonna have to win. You're going to have to win. So congratulations to the Hornets. They come to LA, get a victory 197. I, I, I would like to be on, I like to be a fly on the wall oo in a situation like this where yeah, you a game that you should have won because even with the players that the Lakers have, I still believe they're a better team than the Hornets and you didn't win. I wonder what the coach said because I know what NFL coach would have said. He'd have been cursing and kicking is. It ain't no. Hey guys. You know, we just y, we left some plays out there. We, you know, the 5050 ball ain't none of that. You lose a game and, and, and, and your coach believe that you had the better team and it was because of effort and things like that. Oh yeah. Coach going losing his mind.
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Ocho Cinco
Well, hey, it's, it's, it's, honestly, it's the third quarter. You can lock it on the third quarter. Third quarter. Whatever got away from him.
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Shannon Sharpe
It did. It did. But, but how many times we chat. How y'all know if you follow the Lakers. How many times have we said the third quarter? We say that year after year after year after year, game after game after game after game. I mean, I mean at some point in time, I mean they, the, the coaches know that, the players know that. I don't really know what else there is to, to do or to say, right. Except go out there and do it. Because it's not like we're, we're breaking news. This is not, no, no. You know, you got to open the FBI files and, and unsealed documents. They played terrible in the third quarter and this has been a reoccurring thing for the last four or five years. So I really don't, I really, I'm not, I'm not sure what the issue is. I Don't need to be sure. That's up to J.J. redick and the coaching staff, Scotty Brooks, Nate McMillan. It's on them to figure that ish out.
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Ocho Cinco
And the funny thing about it is, JJ can talk about it all he wants, Scotty can talk about all he want. Well, hell, when the players come out at halftime, they got to be the ones to execute it. They got to be the ones that come out with the energy. They got to be the ones to play on both ends of the court or both ends of the floor.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, look, we know that the problem that Lakers are going to have with no AD is defense.
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Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
Because now they have no, no back line of defense. They really don't have a guy that's really good in the pick and roll defense. And you see, like I said, the last two and a half minutes, all they did was go pick and roll the game. They put Luke and pick and roll with Bellow handling the ball and they got wide open threes and lamelo ice the game basically with a floater. I mean, it's not complicated. Everybody, everybody see what's going on. I mean, even the most like, damn, they running the same play. One for a high pick. Put Luke in a pick and roll. Boom, get what I want. So that's on them to figure this out. At some point in time, I'm sure Darvin Ham had this issue. Frank Vogel had this issue. Now JJ have this issue. And a lot of these players, Austin reed was there, LeBron was there, Rui was there. So at some point in time, even when AD was there, when he was there, the third quarter's been there. Bugaboo. They're gonna have to figure this ish out. We all have experience paying extra fees. Like the one time I had a layover in Salt Lake City, they canceled my flight and I had to buy another plane ticket just to make it home. When we're trying to make progress, life's curveballs often feel like taking one step forward and two steps backwards. A Chime checking account makes financial progress easier with features like no maintenance fees, fee free overdraft up to $200, or getting paid up to two days early with direct deposit. Don't even ask me how I paid for my first house when I made it to the league. That's the beauty of Chime. Chime helps you make progress, fee free overdraft up to $200 by applying your next deposit to your balance. In addition, there's no monthly fees or maintenance fees, and chime offers over 50,000 fee free ATMs make progress towards a better financial future with Chime. Open an account in 2 minutes@chime.com nightcap that's chime.com nightcap Chime feels like progress. Banking services and debit cards provided by Bancorp North America or Stride Bank North America members FDIC Spot Me eligibility requirements and overdraft limits apply. Boosts are available to eligible Chime members enrolled at Spotme and are subject to monthly limits. Timing depends on submission of payment file fees. Apply at out of network ATMs you.
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Ryan Seacrest
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Shannon Sharpe
Steve Kerr told ESPN he wasn't mad at Katie for rejecting the trade to go to State. I don't blame Kevin one bit for not wanting re rerun things here. It took so much ish for like oh, you're jumping on the bandwagon and he's finals MVP two years in a row and it's still and he still gets criticized so why would he want to face all the BS Again? Katie responded Comment that's not the reason why I didn't want to come back. I just didn't want to get traded. Midway through the season. Do you believe KD.
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Ocho Cinco
A little bit. A little bit. A little bit of me believes him, obviously. I think even though it was midway through the season, I think through the experiment in Phoenix, I don't think it's worked. I think it's failed, obviously.
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Shannon Sharpe
Thinking. You don't say. You think it's an absolute failure. Yeah. Was an absolute failure.
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Ocho Cinco
Yeah, that. That was too. And I. I think. I mean, for Katie, I. I would. I don't want to. I hate calling it ring chasing, but I would have went to the better situation, obviously, going back over there with Draymond Green and Steph and then trying to run it back and trying to run it back again. And I think the missing piece for them to get them over the hump and probably give them the opportunity in the west would be KD going back. Because what's going to happen right now in Phoenix, where you going in Phoenix, you think nothing? Not that at all. Nothing at all. But I think you want to stay there. If you know KD know personally and you watch him from afar and you know his story. He loves the game of basketball. Huh? He loves the game of basketball. If he's going to be behind the eight ball, he gonna do. He gonna scratch, crawl, and do everything he can to have success down there in Arizona and leave out the right way.
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Shannon Sharpe
I think the thing why KD was so successful, he didn't have to worry about anything but ball in Brooklyn. He had to be a leader, you see? Ok. And Phoenix, he has to be a leader. Steph took care of that. Draymond took care of that. Clay took care of that. So now he just gets to do what he really wants to do, which is cool.
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Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
I don't gotta. We have no pep talk. I ain't gotta say, pick this ish up. I ain't gotta do none of that. I come in, I do what I do, I go home and chill. That's what he wants to do. Got no problem with that. A part of me. Part of me does believe that he didn't want to get traded during the season. Say he wanted, you know, ride this lot with his boys, ride out. What I mean, I mean, where do you think you're going?
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Ocho Cinco
Katie, listen, they started it off. They thought it was going to work. They thought the trio would build Devin Booker and him, would work some magic out there in the West. It hasn't worked itself out, but I just think the fact that he's bounced around from Brooklyn, you know, went to Golden State. He didn't want to continue that same trend and be like, here we go again. You know, at something, at some point when your relationship's off, you get tired of moving on, man. You get tired of moving on. And sometimes you're like, you know what? I'm just stick this one out. I know it ain't working, but I'm sticking out and doing everything I can until it's time to leave. And I can tell you when he's leaving in the goddamn summer.
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Shannon Sharpe
Okay, so what'd you do? All you did to lay the inevitable, you was miserable for another. Another three, four months, right? Because they're not going nowhere. They're not doing anything. Right, right, right. They don't have any defense. They're just like. They're just. They're just like the Lakers, they got no defense. They got all those scores. I mean, you got two guys that really is the same guy. Booker's more athletic now, and I think he's a better player. I don't think he is. I know he's a better player than Bradley Beal, but that saying, you got all that scoring, where your defense at now they get hot. You got on a given night, any of those guys can go to 30 or 40. Now they relegated Bradley Bill to the bench because they was hoping he would waive his no trade clause and then they could trade him and get Jerry Butler. But he's like, nah, I put that in there for a reason. I put that in there for a reason. I don't want to go anywhere. I'm not going anywhere. So whether you want me or not, you know what I'm saying? Don't tell you, hey, sometimes it's cheaper to keep them.
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Ocho Cinco
That's crazy how. That's crazy how players. You see the leverage NBA players have when it comes to stuff like that.
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Shannon Sharpe
He has a. No, he don't have no leverage. He got no trade clause. He and LeBron James, one of the two players that have no trade. If he didn't have that, his ass was gone.
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Ocho Cinco
I know. That's why I said leverage. That's all I meant. But you mean to tear up me. You don't want me because I'm not as playing as well as you thought I should. I'm trying to do it everything I can. Obviously, injuries have hampered me performing. Performing to what we're used to. Seeing me play like, and I just got here, and you trying to get me to uproot my family. Man, child, please put this no trade clause in there. It's in there for a reason.
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Shannon Sharpe
There.
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Ocho Cinco
There's a reason. Why? Because there's a chance they got a.
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Shannon Sharpe
Man coming out the bench. Big guy. Who coming off the bench? Ocho.
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Ocho Cinco
Yeah, yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
That'll be like, you. They like, man, we want to move you like. Nah, I ain't going. Okay. Ooh, you the slot. You're the third receiver now. Third who? You the third receiver now.
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Ocho Cinco
Oh, yeah, you must be talking about Madden.
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Shannon Sharpe
Third receiver. You got to know trade you. Don't they want to trade you. You don't want to go. Okay, you the third receiver, right? I guess you go in there. I guess you go in there, catch your get your little 3, 4 targets a Sunday and come on home. Hey.
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Ocho Cinco
Oh, hey. That's a lot of cardio, boy. That's a lot of cardio. Damn. I. I don't. I don't. I never looked at it like that, but when you're making that kind of money. Oh, you want me to play? What?
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Shannon Sharpe
Wait a minute.
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Ocho Cinco
Let me. Let me look at this. How much I'm making. And that's all you want me to do? Okay.
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Shannon Sharpe
Bet.
- [28:47]
Ocho Cinco
I mean, the competitors wouldn't be happy.
- [28:51]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, but I'm not going to do anything to jeopardize that money.
- [28:59]
Ocho Cinco
Right?
- [29:00]
Shannon Sharpe
Right.
- [29:00]
Ocho Cinco
Oh, yeah.
- [29:01]
Shannon Sharpe
I mean, Bradley bill probably making 45, $50 million a year.
- [29:05]
Ocho Cinco
Oh, my goodness.
- [29:07]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay. That's all. Hey, this. All y'all want me to do is get y'all 28 minutes a night, 30 minutes a night, and ain't really no strain on me because I'm coming off the bench. I mean, look, he's going against me coming off the bench. A lot of times you coming in there, you know, that's the second you're going against the second unit. So I guess they say you can get your points that way because you know the ball's going to go to kd. Book first. Those are your first two options. Bradley Bill has never been a third option. He's always been. He was. He was 12 when he had John Wall. When John Wall left, you know, he was. I guess he had. I think he had Russ. No, he had Russ for a year or two, but he was the first scoring option even though Russ had the ball in his hand. So he's never been like this. He's never been in a situation where he's not used to being able to get as many shots as he want. He's a third option, no matter how you look at it. That's what he wanted. The best third option. At the end of the day, you still the third option.
- [30:00]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah. You know what? Even as a starter, and I'm thinking about if I was a starter, as the number one. Let's say I was the number one in Cincinnati. Same scenario, I go to New England and I'm the third or I'm the fourth guy because the options in front of me are better at that time in that specific system. That does something to your psyche. You know that, right? It does.
- [30:24]
Shannon Sharpe
Sometimes I take your word for it. I mean, I wasn't, you know, I wouldn't know like that. I wouldn't know third option or so. But I take your word for it. I believe you.
- [30:30]
Ocho Cinco
Here you go. You know, some.
- [30:32]
Shannon Sharpe
What you want me to do? How do you want me to. I can't empathize for a situation I haven't been. I have empathy for you, so you know what I'm doing. You don't. Empathy everything requires you to divorce your ego, separate your ego and see yourself in a similar situation. So you know what, Ocho?
- [30:48]
Ocho Cinco
There you go.
- [30:48]
Shannon Sharpe
Here I go.
- [30:51]
Ocho Cinco
Pretend. Pretend you Bradley Beard. Right now I go from somewhere where I'm able to play freely. Now I'm coming off a bench where I can't take. I can't take a high volume of shots. So now I'm messed up up here. Not only am I messed up.
- [31:05]
Shannon Sharpe
Beer.
- [31:05]
Ocho Cinco
When I do get on the court, sometimes I might hesitate because I'm not in rhythm. That means my shot efficiency in shot selection has to be that much better. Something to you.
- [31:18]
Shannon Sharpe
Well, look, I'm going to tell you what. Because I think when I got back, I got back to Denver, Rod was clearly the number one. Easy. Ed was coming off a severe leg injury. So, you know, it was basically me and Ed fighting for two, three. But I mean, there are some games like that.
- [31:35]
Ocho Cinco
So you have been in that position where you were the three.
- [31:39]
Shannon Sharpe
No, I was always. I finished. No, I never finished. When I was on the team, I never finished. No. Once I became what I became, I never finished worse than second in catches on the team.
- [31:48]
Ocho Cinco
Okay, I understand that, but when you say.
- [31:52]
Shannon Sharpe
I didn't say it. I did. Me.
- [31:54]
Ocho Cinco
I hear you. You talking from a statistical standpoint. But I'm just saying you were the. You were the three no matter what.
- [32:00]
Shannon Sharpe
I was not the three.
- [32:01]
Ocho Cinco
I was two then Ross Smith, Ed McCaffrey were the ones with the one and two.
- [32:07]
Shannon Sharpe
Rod was one, I was two and I was two eight and was two. Beat. I don't Know what you talking about?
- [32:16]
Ocho Cinco
Hey, it sounds good. It sounds good.
- [32:19]
Shannon Sharpe
Y'all better. You better check. You better check It. It sound bad How? Hey, you tell me the time you've seen a third receiver get 2:14 in the game.
- [32:28]
Ocho Cinco
Oh, what happened when somebody hurt?
- [32:31]
Shannon Sharpe
I mean, what third receiver? You know, just saying, I got you.
- [32:40]
Ocho Cinco
I got you.
- [32:40]
Shannon Sharpe
Listen, I'm with you, but look, I understand. But for me, Ocho, they're like, man, dang, man, hey, you ain't catching no passes. And they used to ask me, I said, bro, I got to check my deposit. It cleared. That's on y'all. I will make the same amount of money. See, the thing that I love about this is that I'm gonna make the most. I don't get paid by the catch. I don't get paid by the touchdown. Y'all want to throw me 10. Y'all want to give me 10 targets, right? Fine. If you want to give me three targets, I'm gonna make the same amount of money. So I ain't stressing out. I say I'm. I'm too old now. Now, if y'all brothers would have got me when I was in my 20s, got me in my damn 30. I got kids, man. I'm gonna get all this money I'm supposed to get. I ain't giving y'all ish back. And in a year or two, I'm gonna take my black ass home anyway so y'all can have at it. I ain't get, man. I'm not stressing out by catching no passes, right? I make the same amount of money, Ocho. I'm gonna make the same. So it wasn't no strain on me. Y'all throw it to me. I'm gonna catch it if you don't. You know, a 84. We probably should have gave you a more, bro. The game over.
- [33:50]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
- [33:50]
Shannon Sharpe
Y'all telling me what y'all should have done. Don't do who they helping. All of this should make y'all mad, because that's what y'all get paid for. My job is not to tell you what I'm open on your job, is it? Y'all tell me. Let the coaches coach the players gonna play. I'm playing. I ain't calling no plays. Now, what I would get mad about to come four and quarter, 84. What you. What you like? I like for this game to be over with. Y'all been bull. Y'all been bull job for three and a half quarters. That's what I would like. I would like this game to be over with and so I can go on and get out. Hey, nah, don't be asking me no question now. Hey, y'all gonna spread it around. You know, we gonna spread it around this week, you know. Hey, Ed, be ready. Rob, be ready. Sean, be ready. Backside of the backfield. Now, all that spreading around ish ain't work right. Hey, 84, what you. What? What you like? I like for this issue to be over with. Y'all coming up with a game plan next week.
- [34:57]
Ocho Cinco
I can picture you saying that, too.
- [34:59]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, now. Now, all of a sudden, no joke, we got five minutes left. We down 14.
- [35:06]
Ocho Cinco
What?
- [35:09]
Shannon Sharpe
I hated being in that situation, man. I hated getting no empty calories because when the game was, Milton hung in the balance. Now we got four minutes, we down 14, we on the 10 yard line. What you look what you like. Okay. I like to have more opportunities in the first three quarters. No, y'all keep calling. Y'all keep calling. Y'all keep calling. What y'all was calling. Y'all so bad. Hey, hey, hey, man, please. Y'all ain't gonna get my blood pressure up. I learned a long time ago, Ocho. Like I said, that's why I stopped putting incentives in my contract. Once I realized they can manipulate that and jack me out of my a hundred grand, I said, man, I wish I might put. I'm not putting another incentive. They couldn't give me a million dollars in my contract to go to the Pro bowl or lead the team because y'all. What y'all paying me. I should do everything that y'all trying to incentivize without the highest paid tight end. I should leave my team and receive it. I should go to the Pro Bowl. I should be an All Pro. I don't need no incentive. Y'all mess with that. Give me my money. I want all my money. Hey, I ain't got not one incentive. Got not one. Even if I come to work on time, no. There ain't no incentive for me if I make weight. Nope. I don't want that either. Nope, I don't. Put it all.
- [36:32]
Ocho Cinco
Put it all in there.
- [36:34]
Shannon Sharpe
Yep. Give me everything I'm supposed to get. Hey, Shannon, we're gonna pay you over 17 weeks. This is what you ate. This is how much you make it. Okay, I'm cool with that, right? Man, I've been stopped worried about that, Ocho, because, man, they. When they jacked me out of. When they jacked me out of my. What you call them say, man, I'm. Man, y'all ain't gonna make me do something bad to somebody up in here.
- [36:55]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah, listen, that's the game they play now. That's the game they play.
- [37:02]
Shannon Sharpe
An anonymous NBA GM called out Adam Silver. Adam Silver is an obsessed with tournaments. Lay in. In season. Not all star. They are. They've not proven to benefit our league. Ocho, what you think?
- [37:17]
Ocho Cinco
I mean, the head guy saying that the tournaments trying to create excitement, trying to create viewers globally as well. And it's not benefiting the league, it's not benefiting the players. How's it not the end season tournament? Isn't the end season tournament allowing the players to make extra money and benefit them by having it being played in season?
- [37:43]
Shannon Sharpe
Well, I guess they're trying to drum up support. Because here's the thing, Ojo, look, you got 11. You got 11, what? 77 billion over the next seven, 11 years. And so we got it. Because here the thing is kind of like soccer. You man, you know soccer. Got all the tournaments. They got you. Yeah, Copa and this one and that one.
- [38:02]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah. Yes, champions.
- [38:05]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes, yes. So I think that's what, you know, out of the commission is trying to get a playoff that the play in tournament. I mean, people didn't like that. People thought, look, I remember one time when the three point competition was thought, it's gimmick. I mean, the three point shot. They're like, man, it's a gimmick, right? Now look, everything is a gimmick until you get used to it. The forward pass was a gimmick.
- [38:36]
Ocho Cinco
Right?
- [38:37]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, forward pass. Like, what are you. That's a gimmick. Ain't. No, that ain't gonna be. Now, can you imagine a game of football without the foreign pass or Chuck?
- [38:45]
Ocho Cinco
Wouldn't make no sense.
- [38:46]
Shannon Sharpe
It would make zero sense. So look, I get what commission is trying to do. He's trying to do anything he possibly can to get eyeballs to the television to watch these games. And so to play in tournament, I mean, to play in tournaments are always good. You know, teams like, look, normally one through eight, you made the tournament, you know where you are. But now eight through 10, you gotta play. What? No, no. Yeah. No. Seven. No, what is it? Seven play 10 and eight, nine play. And then that winner, those two winners play each other and that's the. So whoever wins, they're the seventh seed. And then the next two is the. Is the. The winner is the ac. But I get. I get what commission's trying to do. I get what I really do. Ocho, you got to try something I mean, you got this kind of money at stake. You got to try something. Yeah. I mean, the only thing that, you know, I. I can deal. I can deal with all of. The only thing. I don't like the All Star. I don't like the All Star.
- [39:50]
Ocho Cinco
I'm sorry.
- [39:51]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [39:51]
Ocho Cinco
The format is not. Not what it should be. In the gym, that complaining. The gym that's complaining about what? What Adam Silver is doing. Why don't the GMs have ideas as well? Why don't they have ideas to continue to grow the game? Why don't they have ideas that they wouldn't buy Silver to say, listen, I think we can do this. The players will benefit from it. Us as owners will benefit from it. And those that are watching, they'll enjoy it instead of saying, oh, anonymous source complaining about what Silver Edge actually doing.
- [40:19]
Shannon Sharpe
Well, rest is so David Stern. You're like, look, y'all gonna either play or we gonna call back some of this money.
- [40:28]
Ocho Cinco
Which one you want it?
- [40:30]
Shannon Sharpe
Really? That simple? I. You shouldn't have to beg guys to play hard, Ocho. If you making 150, 200, $300 million, I don't really think it's asking too much. I really don't. Now, I could be wrong. Chad and y'all might be totally disagree. Oh, the season too long. And yada, yada, yada. I get all that. The season isn't any longer than what it was the last 50 years. How long have they been playing 82 games? Forever and a day. So this notion about all the games. Well, no, it's not. No, it's not. These guys should be in better shape because they have. They know better. They got better training. They got better nutrition. They got better supplementation. They got around the clock physios and trainers and yada, yada, yada. They got chefs that prepare their food and cook whatever. So there's no excuse to play hard. To ask you to play hard. Are you making 300 million, Ocho? Damn, I got a coach.
- [41:32]
Ocho Cinco
Listen, let me get. I don't need. I only need 300. Why'd you give me one? Give me 150.
- [41:41]
Shannon Sharpe
I would play hard.
- [41:42]
Ocho Cinco
Give me 150.
- [41:43]
Shannon Sharpe
Because you know what, Ocho? I remember working hard when I was making $5 a day.
- [41:48]
Ocho Cinco
Come on, now, talk to me. You never, never.
- [41:50]
Shannon Sharpe
I remember work. I remember working hard, making 10, making 16, catching a thousand chickens, making a $1000 catch. 16,000 chicken make $16. Yeah, I worked hard for that little bit of money. What the hell you think I do for 10 million, 20 million, 30, let alone 300.
- [42:10]
Ocho Cinco
And if you think about it, I think if players, when they make that kind of money, if they understood and never forgot where you came from before you had that kind of money and what you did to get to where you are, I think sometimes they lose sight of that, huh?
- [42:23]
Shannon Sharpe
They do.
- [42:24]
Ocho Cinco
I really do. You know, money. Money is changing, man. It changes. Sometimes it changes for the better. Sometimes it changes for the worse.
- [42:31]
Shannon Sharpe
I think sometimes money makes you more what you already are. What are you, ocho, at your core? What are you when you don't have it? Because now when you get it, it exacerbates what you already are.
- [42:50]
Ocho Cinco
But that's a good one everywhere.
- [42:51]
Shannon Sharpe
That's why people. You know, bro, if you got an eating problem and you on a college budget, what happens if I give you 10, 15, $20 million, Ocho.
- [43:05]
Ocho Cinco
Hey. Or that. That. Yeah.
- [43:09]
Shannon Sharpe
Money don't. Money. Oh, he changed what he got, but no, he wasn't. He was always that. He just needed the money for y'all to sin. Yeah. And his true self, right? That's all that was change. He's always been this he or she. I'm not gonna say he or just this he. He or she.
- [43:31]
Ocho Cinco
Women as well. Women as well. Sometimes they ain't got to be money. Sometimes it could be attention, you know? You know what happened when you get that you never had it before, and you start getting it from everywhere. You get your big head, you know, you start feeling yourself, you know, you start overvaluing the boy.
- [43:57]
Shannon Sharpe
So, yeah, I've been. I get. I get what Adam is trying to do. Adam is trying to grow the game, trying to. Cause, you know, soccer have these in season tournaments, and all this stuff. We saw what hockey just had the. What is that called? The. There's something for it. Four nations or something. What they call it was Finland, Sweden, Sweden, Canada and u. S. Yeah. See, but one thing. Hockey. Hockey, they be playing hard.
- [44:29]
Ocho Cinco
Once you touch that ice, you strap up. You strap up. They. They. They. Listen. You know what time it is?
- [44:41]
Shannon Sharpe
I think, Ojo. I think. I think a lot. I think the difference. Adam. Adam and the players, he views the player as players, as partners, right? They throw me into that partner. I'm partner. I'm partnered with the owners. We partners. Y'all employees, right? Just like the NFL. The partners are the broadcast network and the NFL. The employees are the players.
- [45:08]
Ocho Cinco
Players, right.
- [45:10]
Shannon Sharpe
And they don't let you. They don't let you forget it as such.
- [45:16]
Ocho Cinco
And if you do forget, they will remind you.
- [45:18]
Shannon Sharpe
They remind you.
- [45:20]
Ocho Cinco
They will remind you.
- [45:21]
Shannon Sharpe
They remind you. Yeah yeah they definitely remind you.
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- [47:39]
Shannon Sharpe
The legendary LT the original LT. Now we got a little LT. Ladania by dog wants Michael Parsons to stop podcasting and put his focus on football. He's a great player, but guys, let's do more. Let's play more football, less podcast. Micah in particular. He'll have a movie. Action movie. The brother got it. But don't forget where you are at.
- [48:05]
Ocho Cinco
Listen, I like the LT and anything coming from one of the greatest if not the greatest of all time, especially on the deepest end. And he's talking about one of the greats right now. I agree, but I kind of disagree, especially with the times that we're in right now. Michael Parsons, he plays really well. He plays at a very high level along with this podcast. The podcast doesn't take anything away from him. On the actual football field. Between the lines, when the whistle blows, you know what you're getting when he left, you know what you're getting from Uno. Uno every time. Now, when you look at them defensively, you'll say, well, they got some weak spots. Well, Micah only plays in one spot. He can't be everywhere. Sometimes he stretched lines. Sometimes, you know, sometimes they go down in the three. Sometimes they got him sitting down there, sitting down in the box at a linebacker position, moving around, trying to find ways because he's good in space.
- [49:00]
Shannon Sharpe
Real quick. Well, stop lying. All that. Oh, we gonna have a. We gonna have a. We gonna have a Ravens defense, we gonna have a Seahawks defense.
- [49:08]
Ocho Cinco
But he's supposed to say that, huh?
- [49:10]
Shannon Sharpe
No, you don't. You ain't gotta say nothing. Keep your mouth shut, Ocho. No, you don't. You've got to stop telling these guys. They've got to say something. They don't got to say something.
- [49:17]
Ocho Cinco
I didn't even say they did. But you have to believe in your team and who you. Who you play.
- [49:21]
Shannon Sharpe
Keep it to yourself. So how does he. Okay. He says what he said, okay, we gonna win when he don't win. How that make him look, Ocho?
- [49:29]
Ocho Cinco
It make him look crazy. But, you know. You know. Can I say something real quick?
- [49:32]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
- [49:33]
Ocho Cinco
Let's say he say something crazy all the time, right? Michael Parsons been talking crazy out all season. It's, you know, this season, when the Cowboys do play, you know, you know who do show up?
- [49:46]
Shannon Sharpe
You show up in the passing game. What about when they get the ball run down their throat?
- [49:52]
Ocho Cinco
Hey, you know, they run away from your mom.
- [49:55]
Shannon Sharpe
They ran away from lt. What'd he do? You ran away from reggae.
- [50:00]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah, he's right. You're right. Listen, I mean, listen. I mean, LT has to understand we're in a different time. We're in a different era. You know, some guys, they like to talk about the game before, talk about the game of football after it's being played. They focus on it when they're at it. But in their off time, they have podcasts. That's just where we are right now. Are things going to change if he stopped doing his podcast? And all of a sudden he could have. I mean, no. Michael Parsons is a player that he is. He's one of the great ones in the NFL right now at what he does. And it just, it just, it just. It is what it is. I respect lt. I like. I like lt's opinion, though.
- [50:35]
Shannon Sharpe
Pastor Tan got a podcast. Got a podcast.
- [50:40]
Ocho Cinco
That's not him.
- [50:41]
Shannon Sharpe
Defensive player of the year, but that's not him.
- [50:44]
Ocho Cinco
You.
- [50:44]
Shannon Sharpe
You're calling.
- [50:46]
Ocho Cinco
Let me finish. You calling names that are good at what they do at their Pacific positions, but that's not what they want to do. Michael Parsons wants to have a podcast because he likes to talk.
- [50:54]
Shannon Sharpe
Some guys want to win. If some guys want to beat. Some guys want to be famous and promote themselves. Now which one you want to be? Because, see, the quickest way to build a. Build a brand is the win. Michael Jordan brand. What is it? Magic Johnson brand. What is it? Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes. What were their Joe Montana. What were their brands based on? Ocho, LeBron James, Steph Curry.
- [51:26]
Ocho Cinco
Hey, you heard everybody just name. You heard everybody you just named, right? They were ball dominant and were in control of those wins and losses. You talk about a defensive. You talk about a defensive player. You talk about a defensive end that can change the trajectory of a game but has nothing to do with wins and losses.
- [51:46]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, it definitely does. So LT didn't impact so LT didn't impact the game.
- [51:51]
Ocho Cinco
Come on. Now we, We. We know that. We know it.
- [51:53]
Shannon Sharpe
What about Ray Lewis? Did he impact the game?
- [51:55]
Ocho Cinco
Of course.
- [51:56]
Shannon Sharpe
What about Prime? I get. Okay, what about Prime? How was Brian? How was Brian's brand? Funny that you say that. Yeah, he couldn't impact the game, though. Cause you know, they can't.
- [52:10]
Ocho Cinco
Michael Parson don't impact the game.
- [52:12]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm just asking. Oh, no, there are a lot of guys that impact the game.
- [52:17]
Ocho Cinco
We ain't just we. You. You do realize we ain't talking about no slouching now. We talk about Michael.
- [52:21]
Shannon Sharpe
No, but there have been a lot of guys that impact the game. There have been guys that impact the game less, but one more and got a bigger plan. That's what I'm saying.
- [52:33]
Ocho Cinco
This is the team game. I just, I just want to. Just to remember that. Now you mentioned Prime. Do you see what team prime was playing for? Do you see what else was around him while he was doing what he was doing?
- [52:46]
Shannon Sharpe
Guess what? They went and got Prime. San Francisco said, you know what? We can't beat Dallas. We gotta go get Prime. They went and got Prime. What did the Cowboys do, go get him back? Yeah, it ain't that complicated, Ocho.
- [53:02]
Ocho Cinco
I'm just saying, look, I'm with you when you're right. I'm with you when you're right. But also, we're in a different time right now.
- [53:09]
Shannon Sharpe
We are. I think the thing, Ocho, I think the thing is, is, like, look, Michael wants to have a career after football, and it seems to be he wants it to be on the media side, no problem whatsoever. And I think he. What he's doing, he's starting out because I had. I had. I had a radio show when I was in. When I was in Denver, right? Started. I think I started in, like, 96. My guy, Don Martin, I know you watching the show. He was at iheartradio for a number of years. I don't know. I don't know if Don's still there, but he was my producer, so Don and I, we go way back, and so I kind of, like. I really didn't know what. What I was gonna do, but I'm like, hey. They're like, would you like to do a. A radio show? I was like, yeah, how much I pay you? Wasn't paying a whole lot, o. Joe. But it gave me an opportunity to talk when they asked me to, you know, come in to do the local news. Like, hell I do that. And so I knew I was good, I could do something in the media. I was always very candid, very straightforward. But I don't think there was ever a doubt that anybody that ever been with me, ask my teammates. Football was at the forefront. Anything that interfered with that wasn't gonna happen. So my radio show was. I would tape it after Friday's practice, go in there, hit that thing for about 25 minutes.
- [54:35]
Ocho Cinco
Right?
- [54:36]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm done.
- [54:37]
Ocho Cinco
Done. Right.
- [54:38]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm done. That's it for me. It had been very interesting. Ocho and Pete, I've gotten asked this question. If you were playing it today, would you have a podcast with me? I can't. I have a singular focus. I've only been good at a handful of things, but never simultaneously. That's why I'm not married. I was. I was. I was. I was. Either I was good at football and a terrible boyfriend. Either I was a great boyfriend. I would be terrible at football. So guess which one. I had to go, hey, hey, boy.
- [55:18]
Ocho Cinco
What you talking now? You hear me?
- [55:21]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm just being. I'm just. I'm just. I just. I just. I'm just honest, Ocho. I'm just honest man, that's why. So I have a singular focus. If you notice, when I'm good at something, I'm great at it because I'm all in. Ain't no hey, hey, ain't no Hassel and Gretel. I don't save no breadcrumbs for the trip home, Mocho. I'm lost, right? I'm lost, Ocho. I ain't got no navigation on how to get back. All I know is one straight ahead, I go, we going that way. I'm gonna get people to be with me that believe in, I believe in the vision and we're gonna go get it done.
- [55:57]
Ocho Cinco
Yes, sir.
- [55:58]
Shannon Sharpe
But that's just me. Like I said, I think, see, the biggest mistake that we make is that we try to see ourselves in other people. Right? That's my biggest mistake. That's my biggest mistake. It is. And I'm gonna, I gotta talk. Cause I think I can say, Ocho, honestly, I think I can save everybody. And you know. Hey, hey, man, can you do. Sure, no problem. Call Shelly. Hey man, we got this. Call Shelly. And you know, if 25 here is 50,000, there's a hundred thousand here. And, and, and, and, and my, my, my Marvin, Marvin Dunmoff, who's my agent and he's been my right hand man for 29 years.
- [56:42]
Ocho Cinco
Yes, sir.
- [56:44]
Shannon Sharpe
He said, you got to stop this.
- [56:46]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
- [56:50]
Shannon Sharpe
He said, he said, I, I understand. He said, I understand you better than most. Right. I'm an 83, I think he's a 83, 84 year old Jewish guy. He said, but I, I know you. And he said, but you got to stop this, Shannon. He said, you can't save everybody. He said, you got too big. He said, you got too big of a heart.
- [57:12]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah, same. I learned that quick. And most of the time, you know that I learned quick. No matter how much you do, sometimes they forget about, first time you say no, they forget about it. They forget about all the time to say yes. And I guess mine always trying to save or feeling like I can come in and put my cape on. Oh, I got you. Don't worry about it. I got you. And every time on the back end, you end up regretting it.
- [57:45]
Shannon Sharpe
Every time I, I, oh, so I, I don't regret it. I mean, a lot of times I give, I give the charities, but a lot of time I give, I give. But like I said, Ocho, I give, I give with. I don't have any expectation.
- [58:03]
Ocho Cinco
Right, right. I don't give anything back. Right, right.
- [58:07]
Shannon Sharpe
Nothing. Absolutely nothing. And Shelly Called me the other day and says, I said, what's up? Well, you need to stop giving away so much money.
- [58:21]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
- [58:22]
Shannon Sharpe
I said, shelly, you called out of the blue with that? She's like, yeah. Said, okay. And then I don't know if she talked to Marvin or Marvin called her, but he had a conversation with me today. So I'm done. I. I can't help everybody, Ocho. I'm done trying. Yeah, I'm done. I'm done. I'm done.
- [58:51]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
- [58:52]
Shannon Sharpe
Because I don't have federal government capabilities. I can't just print money to stimulate the economy. I gotta make my money. Literally make my money old fashioned. I can't go print it.
- [59:05]
Ocho Cinco
Right.
- [59:06]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm good. I'm. I'm done. So don't ask. The answer is no. Moving forward. What's today?
- [59:18]
Ocho Cinco
It's a 20th day.
- [59:19]
Shannon Sharpe
The 19th, February 19th.
- [59:20]
Ocho Cinco
Now it's the 20th.
- [59:21]
Shannon Sharpe
It's the 20th where you are. So if you in the eastern time zone, no. If you in the west, if you're the Pacific time zone, in an hour and 40 minutes, the answer will be no. And my phone was about to be off, so don't call me. No. Hell no, Ocho. The Cowboys overhauled their coaching staff this offseason, parting ways with Mike McCarthy and promoting OC Brian Schottenheimer. The Cowboys hired Arizona Cardinals offensive line coach Clayton Adams for the open OC role. Here's what Adam wants to see in the offense. The same thing I want to see, the same thing I want from every player on offense, and that is to create violence in the game. Be aggressive, run, hit. I think every decision that we make schematically needs to lean into that direction. So if there's a gray area, what is going to allow these guys to play more free and run and hit and be violent? Ocho, do you think the Cowboys will be able to create a violent offense next year?
- [60:22]
Ocho Cinco
I mean, no. Violence always starts at the forefront, right up front. It starts in the trenches. That's where the violence need to come from. That's where the violence needs to come from. It starts with the front five. They got to set the tone. That's where it come from. Everything else is built off what that offensive line does, so that's where it comes in at. So how is the offensive line going to be? Because everything he just reiterated, everything he just said, it's not going to be possible unless it's exactly like, I'm just gonna throw. I'm just gonna throw it out there like the Eagles, like the Ravens.
- [61:05]
Shannon Sharpe
You're right. That's it.
- [61:08]
Ocho Cinco
Everything you want to do, whatever you set your eyes to, whatever you come into the off season or into the season saying you want to do offensively, it all starts with your offensive line. If you ain't got that. If they ain't got that mentality.
- [61:25]
Shannon Sharpe
No, it ain't front to back, Ocho. You build front to back. O line, back, D line, back. Yeah, you say that, but that's a mentality you got. But it's. I mean, I take my hat off the teams like the Eagles, who. I don't know how much they hit, but they've taken a lot of the physicality out of it, Ocho, because you don't practice like that. We used to practice.
- [61:52]
Ocho Cinco
We had nine on seven practice.
- [61:55]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, we putting. You know, we putting pads on people. Yeah, yeah, it's hard. Can you. You go out there and you do and walk through, then all of a sudden, hey, turn it up. Turn one up. But it was a mindset. Oh, we. But you about to. Hey, hey. Move a man against his will, think about that chat. Think about when you say. You say, hey, get off my porch. I ain't going nowhere. The hell you say. You finna leave here and you do that over and over. Ocho, you gotta make them quit. Somebody quit today.
- [62:37]
Ocho Cinco
And that's what.
- [62:38]
Shannon Sharpe
That's exactly happened.
- [62:39]
Ocho Cinco
By the time you get to the fourth quarter, they gonna quit. They gonna fold. I ain't.
- [62:45]
Shannon Sharpe
I ain't quitting. Yeah, for sure. I gotta make you turn it down because, see, I know how you run. Okay? You know, back when we played, Ocho, we roll your ass up. We were cutting. And I know you're getting up quick in the first quarter. Yeah. Oh, they get up quick. Oh, yeah, they getting up. Hey, hey. I'm still making the play. That's okay.
- [63:12]
Jenny Garth
Okay.
- [63:12]
Shannon Sharpe
Chop, chop. Second. Hey, the second quarter, Ocho. Hey, I'm still here. Sharp.
- [63:18]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
- [63:19]
Shannon Sharpe
Third quarter. Man, stay on my knees. Fourth quarter, he ain't nowhere near. Ain't nowhere to be seen. But you got to. It's easy to talk about something, Ocho. It's a lot more difficult to do it.
- [63:35]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah, the coaches, the coach could talk all they want to. The coach can talk. He can talk till he turned blue in the face. But unless you have the personnel and the players that have the mentality that you regurgitating or the mentality that you talk about, man, that ain't they. You ain't talking about nothing. You ain't talking about nothing. What you have is what you have Right now you can say whatever you want. You know your team, you know your personnel. So you got to be careful what you say, what you ask for. Because they're not built like that all of a sudden. Just because you have an off season don't mean they coming back completely different next year. You are who you are.
- [64:13]
Shannon Sharpe
No. Yeah. Zach Martin has been in wars and he's one been in one of the premier guards. He's one of the best guards that ever played this game. But he's had a lot of, he got a lot of miles on that body. Ocho.
- [64:24]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
- [64:24]
Shannon Sharpe
He's not the same guy.
- [64:26]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
- [64:27]
Shannon Sharpe
You know Tyron Smith had a lot of miles on his body. They let him go still. They, they, they, they started to suffer when Travis Frederick had to retire prematurely. And they got guys now. They're not, they not built like that. They're not built like that. They can't run the football. See, you know you how you know you violent when you can run the football.
- [64:49]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
- [64:50]
Shannon Sharpe
That's where violence come in at.
- [64:51]
Ocho Cinco
Absolutely.
- [64:54]
Shannon Sharpe
Look at teams that can run the football. They're a violent group.
- [64:58]
Ocho Cinco
Notice when I talked about offensive lines, the first thing I said was Eagles and I said Ravens because they move everybody against. They will when they play them Detroit and not changing nothing regards to who they playing.
- [65:14]
Shannon Sharpe
Detroit is another one.
- [65:17]
Ocho Cinco
Oh, yeah. Oh, I forgot Penetuel and them boys, they don't play.
- [65:22]
Shannon Sharpe
No. So it's interesting. I'm anxious to see what they do. I'm gonna see if they're gonna be able to run the football. Dowdell is. Rico Doddle is a, is a free agent. We'll see what they're gonna do in the running back position.
- [65:37]
Ocho Cinco
Right.
- [65:38]
Shannon Sharpe
Well, you know, Zeke won't be back because they already let Zeke go. So now do they go into the draft? Do they get Genty? I think they pick 12, 13. Will Genti be available?
- [65:50]
Ocho Cinco
That'd be a good one.
- [65:52]
Shannon Sharpe
What running back? What running back is going to be available? Aaron Jones with Minnesota. They pushed his date back. Okay. Could he become available? It seems like they want to get something long term done, get him a couple of years. So it's going to be very, very interesting to see what the Cowboys do at running back position in free agency. Will probably kind of give you an indication of kind of the direction that they go to going to go with in the draft. Oh. A.J. brown brought a life size mannequin to put his unwashed super bowl jersey on display in their home. AJ's longtime girlfriend posted a picture on instagram that's live. Point of view. Your boyfriend buys a 62 mannequin to put his Game 1 Super bowl uniform on. He indeed did not watch it. No, you can't watch it.
- [66:39]
Ocho Cinco
No, don't do that. That's live, man. That's dope. That has to be one of the greatest feelings. And obviously coming from someone who never won a Super bowl, played in one, but never won one. That's something I would do. That's something I would do. And you savor that moment. And to be able to have it in your house, man, hanging up like that on the mannequin, full display, mouthpiece and all. You don't see the mouthpiece. He got the mouthpiece on. Helmet and everything.
- [67:03]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah.
- [67:04]
Ocho Cinco
That's live, man. That's live.
- [67:08]
Shannon Sharpe
Because I wouldn't handle myself. Huh?
- [67:10]
Ocho Cinco
Where your super bowl stuff at?
- [67:12]
Shannon Sharpe
On the wall.
- [67:14]
Ocho Cinco
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
- [67:16]
Shannon Sharpe
On the wall.
- [67:16]
Ocho Cinco
Let's do it. That's dope.
- [67:18]
Shannon Sharpe
But I don't know somebody because, you know, they make you two jerseys in Baltimore. They gave me both of my jerseys. Somebody got somebody different. Guys got about 32 and 30 and 33 extra jersey, right?
- [67:34]
Ocho Cinco
Hold on, let me use the bathroom real quick.
- [67:36]
Shannon Sharpe
I didn't drink too much water, but I like that. Got the shoes and everything on the mannequin. Damn, A.J. i. I don't know where the pants are. I ain't finna lie and tell you now about the pants. I know I got the jersey. I gave the super bowl helmet. I think Darrell Green got my super bowl helmet. Cause I traded with him. I'm almost certain Darryl Green got my super bowl helmet. I got my Super Bowl Ravens helmet. It's funny that I traded. I remember going to the super. I went to the Pro Bowl. I traded Pro bowl helmets. One year I was with Denver. I traded Pro bowl health with Jonathan Ogden. I got that. That original. I don't know if chat who are Ravens fan, but y'all, I. It was like a wing or something, but it was. It was kind of ugly. But jail, I traded with Jo. He and I had the same agent. He was with Marvin Dim off as well, so. But yeah, I still got. Obviously my jerseys are hanging up. I got one helmet. I know for sure. I don't know about the pants. I don't know where the pants are. Hell, nobody. I mean it. I mean, the. The thing was, is like the thing was the jersey. Ocho. Nobody even thought jersey in the helmet. What? Nobody thinking about. No, no, no pants.
- [69:04]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah. Well, what about your cleats? Because, you know your cleats, sometimes your cleats mean a special pair. You know, especially now, it's.
- [69:12]
Shannon Sharpe
Don't start me to lie. Somebody got them. No, I'm trying to think. Cause like when I played like my last couple of years, Nike made me pat leather cleat. I remember the time, you know, you had to really be somebody to get. Get a cleat. Not everybody got a cleat. Hey, who order? Who won the greatest heat today? I'm like, dude on specialties and he better tell me he got joints right? How you run down on special team and you got patent leather Jordans on Joe.
- [69:42]
Ocho Cinco
Hey, you look good. Play good.
- [69:46]
Shannon Sharpe
No, you own special teams. Get some, some 3/4 and go on out there and make a tackle. You don't need no low top. No low top cleat, pat leather. But I was like, I would play in the shoe and then I would practice in it, and I ended up giving to a teammate. Where your super bowl jersey at?
- [70:08]
Ocho Cinco
At my grandma house. At my grandma house. My little brother, my little brother, he got most of my memorabilia. A very good friend of mine in Cincinnati, when I left Cincinnati, he has most of my memorabilia. It just. I don't know what's wrong with me. Once I stopped playing the game of football, I didn't really care about memorabilia. I don't really have anything. I don't have anything. Friends of mine kind of keep everything. And once I removed myself from the game, I wasn't playing anymore and I was at peace. I let everything disperse to those that know me.
- [70:43]
Shannon Sharpe
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